28/02/2013

:00:38. > :00:39.Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the

:00:39. > :00:40.Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics. More bad news from

:00:40. > :00:41.Daily Politics. More bad news from Daily Politics. More bad news from

:00:41. > :00:43.RBS. It's announced another set of RBS. It's announced another set of

:00:43. > :00:44.RBS. It's announced another set of losses and they are big. �5.2

:00:44. > :00:45.losses and they are big. �5.2 losses and they are big. �5.2

:00:45. > :00:46.billion for last year after paying billion for last year after paying

:00:46. > :00:47.billion for last year after paying compensation or fines for miss-

:00:47. > :00:48.compensation or fines for miss- selling payment protection

:00:48. > :00:52.selling payment protection insurance and manipulating the

:00:52. > :00:53.insurance and manipulating the insurance and manipulating the

:00:53. > :00:55.inter-bank lending rate. It's not inter-bank lending rate. It's not

:00:55. > :00:56.inter-bank lending rate. It's not all doom and gloom though.

:00:56. > :00:57.all doom and gloom though. all doom and gloom though.

:00:57. > :00:58.Underlying profits were about �3.5 Underlying profits were about �3.5

:00:58. > :01:01.Underlying profits were about �3.5 billion. More than twice the

:01:01. > :01:03.billion. More than twice the billion. More than twice the

:01:03. > :01:04.previous year. Are we nearly there previous year. Are we nearly there

:01:04. > :01:05.previous year. Are we nearly there yet? We'll be looking at moves

:01:05. > :01:07.yet? We'll be looking at moves yet? We'll be looking at moves

:01:07. > :01:08.afoot to change our motorway afoot to change our motorway

:01:08. > :01:11.afoot to change our motorway service stations. Dishing the dirt

:01:11. > :01:12.service stations. Dishing the dirt service stations. Dishing the dirt

:01:12. > :01:13.on the Commonwealth. We'll be on the Commonwealth. We'll be

:01:13. > :01:16.on the Commonwealth. We'll be speaking to its former Secretary

:01:16. > :01:16.speaking to its former Secretary speaking to its former Secretary

:01:16. > :01:17.General, Don McKinnon. And comedian, General, Don McKinnon. And comedian,

:01:17. > :01:18.General, Don McKinnon. And comedian, Phil Jupitus will be here,

:01:18. > :01:19.Phil Jupitus will be here, explaining why coalition government

:01:19. > :01:29.explaining why coalition government explaining why coalition government

:01:29. > :01:29.All that in the next hour. And I've All that in the next hour. And I've

:01:30. > :01:30.All that in the next hour. And I've ditched Andrew, and bagged myself

:01:31. > :01:36.ditched Andrew, and bagged myself ditched Andrew, and bagged myself

:01:36. > :01:37.the King of daytime telly, Richard the King of daytime telly, Richard

:01:37. > :01:38.the King of daytime telly, Richard Madeley. Welcome. Now before we

:01:38. > :01:38.Madeley. Welcome. Now before we Madeley. Welcome. Now before we

:01:38. > :01:39.Madeley. Welcome. Now before we move on just a reminder that voting

:01:39. > :01:40.move on just a reminder that voting move on just a reminder that voting

:01:40. > :01:41.has begun in the Eastleigh by- has begun in the Eastleigh by-

:01:41. > :01:42.has begun in the Eastleigh by- election, caused by the resignation

:01:42. > :01:43.election, caused by the resignation election, caused by the resignation

:01:43. > :01:46.of the former Liberal Democrat of the former Liberal Democrat

:01:46. > :01:47.of the former Liberal Democrat Cabinet Minister, Chris Huhne. 14

:01:47. > :01:48.Cabinet Minister, Chris Huhne. 14 candidates are standing for

:01:48. > :01:50.candidates are standing for election in the Hampshire

:01:50. > :01:50.election in the Hampshire election in the Hampshire

:01:50. > :01:51.constituency. The polls close at constituency. The polls close at

:01:51. > :01:52.constituency. The polls close at 10pm tonight, with the result

:01:52. > :01:54.10pm tonight, with the result 10pm tonight, with the result

:01:54. > :01:55.expected in the early hours of expected in the early hours of

:01:55. > :01:56.expected in the early hours of Friday morning. We can't talk about

:01:56. > :01:57.Friday morning. We can't talk about Friday morning. We can't talk about

:01:57. > :01:59.it for fear of influencing your it for fear of influencing your

:01:59. > :02:00.it for fear of influencing your it for fear of influencing your

:02:00. > :02:02.vote. As if we could. So let's kick vote. As if we could. So let's kick

:02:02. > :02:03.vote. As if we could. So let's kick vote. As if we could. So let's kick

:02:03. > :02:04.off today with the council tax. A off today with the council tax. A

:02:04. > :02:05.off today with the council tax. A survey suggests more than 40% of

:02:05. > :02:05.survey suggests more than 40% of survey suggests more than 40% of

:02:05. > :02:06.local authorities in England are local authorities in England are

:02:06. > :02:10.local authorities in England are planning to increase council tax in

:02:10. > :02:11.planning to increase council tax in planning to increase council tax in

:02:11. > :02:12.planning to increase council tax in April. Well, this is what the Local

:02:12. > :02:13.April. Well, this is what the Local Government Minister, Brandon Lewis

:02:13. > :02:17.Government Minister, Brandon Lewis Government Minister, Brandon Lewis

:02:17. > :02:17.had to say a little earlier. had to say a little earlier.

:02:17. > :02:20.had to say a little earlier. Obviously we would like to see

:02:20. > :02:22.Obviously we would like to see Obviously we would like to see

:02:22. > :02:23.every council freeze council tax or every council freeze council tax or

:02:23. > :02:24.every council freeze council tax or every council freeze council tax or

:02:24. > :02:26.reduce it. I want to focus on those reduce it. I want to focus on those

:02:26. > :02:27.reduce it. I want to focus on those councils so doing the right thing

:02:27. > :02:28.councils so doing the right thing for hard-working taxpayers and

:02:28. > :02:31.for hard-working taxpayers and for hard-working taxpayers and

:02:31. > :02:32.freezing and reducing the council freezing and reducing the council

:02:32. > :02:33.freezing and reducing the council tax. Do you have sympathy with

:02:33. > :02:34.tax. Do you have sympathy with tax. Do you have sympathy with

:02:34. > :02:36.councils that are saying they have councils that are saying they have

:02:36. > :02:37.councils that are saying they have councils that are saying they have

:02:37. > :02:38.to put up council tax? Yes, it's a to put up council tax? Yes, it's a

:02:38. > :02:39.to put up council tax? Yes, it's a to put up council tax? Yes, it's a

:02:39. > :02:42.tricky position and it's a bit much tricky position and it's a bit much

:02:42. > :02:43.tricky position and it's a bit much for Eric Pickles earlier today to

:02:43. > :02:45.for Eric Pickles earlier today to for Eric Pickles earlier today to

:02:45. > :02:46.berate them for putting them up berate them for putting them up

:02:46. > :02:48.berate them for putting them up berate them for putting them up

:02:48. > :02:52.with in the 2% allowance. He has with in the 2% allowance. He has

:02:52. > :02:53.with in the 2% allowance. He has given them that 2% allowance. But

:02:53. > :02:55.given them that 2% allowance. But given them that 2% allowance. But

:02:55. > :02:56.given them that 2% allowance. But if he gives them 2%, what does he

:02:56. > :02:56.if he gives them 2%, what does he if he gives them 2%, what does he

:02:56. > :02:58.if he gives them 2%, what does he expect them to do? Of course you'll

:02:58. > :03:00.expect them to do? Of course you'll expect them to do? Of course you'll

:03:00. > :03:02.expect them to do? Of course you'll put it up to 1.9%. He should have

:03:02. > :03:04.put it up to 1.9%. He should have put it up to 1.9%. He should have

:03:04. > :03:05.made a complete veto, not given made a complete veto, not given

:03:05. > :03:06.made a complete veto, not given made a complete veto, not given

:03:06. > :03:08.them 2%. You're not surprised a lot them 2%. You're not surprised a lot

:03:08. > :03:09.them 2%. You're not surprised a lot of them are going for higher

:03:09. > :03:09.of them are going for higher of them are going for higher

:03:09. > :03:10.council tax bills particularly when council tax bills particularly when

:03:10. > :03:11.council tax bills particularly when the government is offering more

:03:11. > :03:12.the government is offering more the government is offering more

:03:12. > :03:14.the government is offering more cash, not as much as they could put

:03:14. > :03:15.cash, not as much as they could put cash, not as much as they could put

:03:15. > :03:17.cash, not as much as they could put up their bills, but if they freeze

:03:17. > :03:18.up their bills, but if they freeze up their bills, but if they freeze

:03:18. > :03:20.the council tax? Not remotely the council tax? Not remotely

:03:20. > :03:23.the council tax? Not remotely surprised. The economy is to the

:03:23. > :03:24.surprised. The economy is to the surprised. The economy is to the

:03:24. > :03:25.surprised. The economy is to the old at the moment. They are worried

:03:25. > :03:26.old at the moment. They are worried old at the moment. They are worried

:03:26. > :03:27.about keeping up services and it's about keeping up services and it's

:03:27. > :03:29.about keeping up services and it's about keeping up services and it's

:03:29. > :03:30.a balancing act. If they go over 2% a balancing act. If they go over 2%

:03:30. > :03:33.a balancing act. If they go over 2% a balancing act. If they go over 2%

:03:33. > :03:36.and go to a referendum, the public and go to a referendum, the public

:03:36. > :03:37.and go to a referendum, the public and go to a referendum, the public

:03:37. > :03:39.will decide. If they get 1.9%, the will decide. If they get 1.9%, the

:03:39. > :03:40.will decide. If they get 1.9%, the public will make their decision.

:03:40. > :03:41.public will make their decision. public will make their decision.

:03:41. > :03:43.The government will argue everybody The government will argue everybody

:03:43. > :03:44.The government will argue everybody is struggling. People do not want

:03:44. > :03:46.is struggling. People do not want is struggling. People do not want

:03:46. > :03:47.is struggling. People do not want to pay higher council tax bills and

:03:47. > :03:49.to pay higher council tax bills and to pay higher council tax bills and

:03:49. > :03:50.many people don't use the services. many people don't use the services.

:03:50. > :03:51.many people don't use the services. many people don't use the services.

:03:51. > :03:52.Well then, don't say you can go up Well then, don't say you can go up

:03:52. > :03:56.Well then, don't say you can go up Well then, don't say you can go up

:03:56. > :03:57.by 2%. You can't have it both ways. by 2%. You can't have it both ways.

:03:57. > :03:58.by 2%. You can't have it both ways. To me, it doesn't make any

:03:59. > :03:59.To me, it doesn't make any To me, it doesn't make any

:04:00. > :04:00.political sense at all. Would you political sense at all. Would you

:04:00. > :04:03.political sense at all. Would you political sense at all. Would you

:04:03. > :04:04.like for them to have a cap? Yes, like for them to have a cap? Yes,

:04:04. > :04:05.like for them to have a cap? Yes, like for them to have a cap? Yes,

:04:05. > :04:06.it's the only way to keep it down. it's the only way to keep it down.

:04:06. > :04:07.it's the only way to keep it down. it's the only way to keep it down.

:04:07. > :04:08.If you give them the option to put If you give them the option to put

:04:08. > :04:09.If you give them the option to put If you give them the option to put

:04:09. > :04:11.up or have a referendum, a lot of up or have a referendum, a lot of

:04:11. > :04:12.up or have a referendum, a lot of up or have a referendum, a lot of

:04:12. > :04:12.councils will do that for some tell councils will do that for some tell

:04:13. > :04:14.councils will do that for some tell them it's frozen and make them

:04:14. > :04:15.them it's frozen and make them them it's frozen and make them

:04:15. > :04:18.them it's frozen and make them sorted out. Now it's time for our

:04:18. > :04:19.sorted out. Now it's time for our sorted out. Now it's time for our

:04:19. > :04:20.daily quiz. And the question for daily quiz. And the question for

:04:20. > :04:21.daily quiz. And the question for today, in honour of the former

:04:21. > :04:22.today, in honour of the former Secretary General of the

:04:22. > :04:22.Secretary General of the Secretary General of the

:04:22. > :04:23.Commonwealth, who will be appearing Commonwealth, who will be appearing

:04:23. > :04:24.Commonwealth, who will be appearing Commonwealth, who will be appearing

:04:24. > :04:28.later, is: Which of these flags is later, is: Which of these flags is

:04:28. > :04:28.later, is: Which of these flags is later, is: Which of these flags is

:04:28. > :04:30.the odd one out? I'm not sure I the odd one out? I'm not sure I

:04:30. > :04:31.the odd one out? I'm not sure I recognise any of them. Do you

:04:31. > :04:33.recognise any of them. Do you recognise any of them. Do you

:04:33. > :04:36.recognise any of the flags, recognise any of the flags,

:04:36. > :04:36.recognise any of the flags, Richard? Absolutely not.Good, that

:04:36. > :04:38.Richard? Absolutely not.Good, that Richard? Absolutely not.Good, that

:04:38. > :04:39.Richard? Absolutely not.Good, that makes two of us then. Towards the

:04:39. > :04:40.makes two of us then. Towards the makes two of us then. Towards the

:04:40. > :04:41.makes two of us then. Towards the end of the show Richard or Don

:04:41. > :04:42.end of the show Richard or Don end of the show Richard or Don

:04:42. > :04:43.McKinnon will give us the correct McKinnon will give us the correct

:04:43. > :04:46.McKinnon will give us the correct answer. More likely to be Don

:04:46. > :04:47.answer. More likely to be Don answer. More likely to be Don

:04:47. > :04:48.McKinnon, at this rate. Now let's McKinnon, at this rate. Now let's

:04:48. > :04:49.McKinnon, at this rate. Now let's turn our attention to banks because

:04:49. > :04:50.turn our attention to banks because turn our attention to banks because

:04:50. > :04:51.the Royal Bank of Scotland, which the Royal Bank of Scotland, which

:04:51. > :04:52.the Royal Bank of Scotland, which the Royal Bank of Scotland, which

:04:52. > :04:52.is 81% owned by the government, has is 81% owned by the government, has

:04:52. > :04:53.is 81% owned by the government, has released its annual figures this

:04:53. > :04:54.released its annual figures this released its annual figures this

:04:54. > :04:55.morning. RBS has reported that it morning. RBS has reported that it

:04:55. > :04:56.morning. RBS has reported that it made a pre-tax loss of �5.17

:04:56. > :04:57.made a pre-tax loss of �5.17 made a pre-tax loss of �5.17

:04:57. > :04:58.billion. It was fined �381 million billion. It was fined �381 million

:04:58. > :05:03.billion. It was fined �381 million for attempting to fix the inter-

:05:03. > :05:04.for attempting to fix the inter- for attempting to fix the inter-

:05:04. > :05:05.bank lending rate, Libor. The bank bank lending rate, Libor. The bank

:05:05. > :05:05.bank lending rate, Libor. The bank bank lending rate, Libor. The bank

:05:05. > :05:06.has taken a charge of �700 million has taken a charge of �700 million

:05:06. > :05:07.has taken a charge of �700 million has taken a charge of �700 million

:05:07. > :05:08.for money it expects to have to pay for money it expects to have to pay

:05:08. > :05:09.for money it expects to have to pay out to cover mis-selling interest

:05:09. > :05:10.out to cover mis-selling interest out to cover mis-selling interest

:05:10. > :05:11.out to cover mis-selling interest rate swaps. It also took a �450

:05:11. > :05:12.rate swaps. It also took a �450 rate swaps. It also took a �450

:05:12. > :05:13.million charge in the last three million charge in the last three

:05:13. > :05:14.million charge in the last three million charge in the last three

:05:14. > :05:15.months of the year to cover mis- months of the year to cover mis-

:05:15. > :05:16.selling of Payment Protection selling of Payment Protection

:05:16. > :05:21.Insurance, taking its total Insurance, taking its total

:05:21. > :05:22.Insurance, taking its total provision to �2.2 billion. RBS set

:05:22. > :05:23.provision to �2.2 billion. RBS set provision to �2.2 billion. RBS set

:05:23. > :05:26.aside �607 million to pay bonuses aside �607 million to pay bonuses

:05:26. > :05:26.aside �607 million to pay bonuses aside �607 million to pay bonuses

:05:26. > :05:29.to its staff. However, it is not to its staff. However, it is not

:05:29. > :05:30.to its staff. However, it is not all bad news. Underlying these

:05:30. > :05:30.all bad news. Underlying these all bad news. Underlying these

:05:30. > :05:37.special charges, RBS reported an special charges, RBS reported an

:05:37. > :05:38.special charges, RBS reported an operating profit of �3.5 billion.

:05:38. > :05:39.operating profit of �3.5 billion. operating profit of �3.5 billion.

:05:39. > :05:40.Here's what the bank's chief Here's what the bank's chief

:05:40. > :05:43.Here's what the bank's chief executive Stephen Hester had to say

:05:43. > :05:45.executive Stephen Hester had to say executive Stephen Hester had to say

:05:45. > :05:47.this morning. I was clear when this morning. I was clear when

:05:47. > :05:49.this morning. I was clear when arriving at RBS four years ago,

:05:49. > :05:49.arriving at RBS four years ago, arriving at RBS four years ago,

:05:50. > :05:52.arriving at RBS four years ago, that there was the need to change

:05:52. > :05:53.that there was the need to change that there was the need to change

:05:53. > :05:54.that there was the need to change the way that our people were paid,

:05:54. > :05:55.the way that our people were paid, the way that our people were paid,

:05:55. > :05:56.the way that our people were paid, and to align it more closely with

:05:56. > :05:57.and to align it more closely with and to align it more closely with

:05:57. > :05:59.and to align it more closely with what we wanted them to do. Part of

:05:59. > :06:00.what we wanted them to do. Part of what we wanted them to do. Part of

:06:00. > :06:01.what we wanted them to do. Part of which is profits, but part of it is

:06:01. > :06:02.which is profits, but part of it is which is profits, but part of it is

:06:02. > :06:04.serving customers, making sure risk serving customers, making sure risk

:06:04. > :06:05.serving customers, making sure risk serving customers, making sure risk

:06:05. > :06:07.serving customers, making sure risk is right and so on. So we have both

:06:07. > :06:10.is right and so on. So we have both produced pay, to reflect

:06:10. > :06:11.produced pay, to reflect performance, and fundamentally

:06:11. > :06:11.performance, and fundamentally performance, and fundamentally

:06:11. > :06:13.performance, and fundamentally changed the way in which it is

:06:13. > :06:14.changed the way in which it is aligned. Stephen Hester there.

:06:14. > :06:15.aligned. Stephen Hester there. aligned. Stephen Hester there.

:06:15. > :06:16.Meanwhile, David Cameron has said Meanwhile, David Cameron has said

:06:16. > :06:17.Meanwhile, David Cameron has said he will look carefully at proposed

:06:17. > :06:18.he will look carefully at proposed he will look carefully at proposed

:06:18. > :06:22.new EU banking regulations, agreed new EU banking regulations, agreed

:06:22. > :06:23.new EU banking regulations, agreed in Brussels overnight. The measures,

:06:23. > :06:23.in Brussels overnight. The measures, in Brussels overnight. The measures,

:06:23. > :06:24.in Brussels overnight. The measures, which still have to be approved by

:06:24. > :06:25.which still have to be approved by EU ministers, include capping

:06:25. > :06:26.EU ministers, include capping EU ministers, include capping

:06:26. > :06:27.bankers' bonuses at a maximum of bankers' bonuses at a maximum of

:06:28. > :06:28.bankers' bonuses at a maximum of one year's basic salary. Britain

:06:29. > :06:29.one year's basic salary. Britain one year's basic salary. Britain

:06:29. > :06:30.has strongly opposed that idea, has strongly opposed that idea,

:06:30. > :06:32.has strongly opposed that idea, arguing it will drive away talent

:06:32. > :06:33.arguing it will drive away talent arguing it will drive away talent

:06:33. > :06:36.and hamper growth. Here's what the and hamper growth. Here's what the

:06:36. > :06:37.and hamper growth. Here's what the Prime Minister had to say earlier.

:06:37. > :06:39.Prime Minister had to say earlier. Prime Minister had to say earlier.

:06:39. > :06:40.Prime Minister had to say earlier. We do have, in the UK, not every

:06:40. > :06:43.We do have, in the UK, not every We do have, in the UK, not every

:06:43. > :06:44.other European country has this, we other European country has this, we

:06:44. > :06:45.have major international banks have major international banks

:06:45. > :06:47.have major international banks have major international banks

:06:47. > :06:48.based in the UK but have branches based in the UK but have branches

:06:48. > :06:49.based in the UK but have branches and activities all over the world.

:06:49. > :06:50.and activities all over the world. and activities all over the world.

:06:50. > :06:51.We need to make sure that We need to make sure that

:06:51. > :06:54.We need to make sure that regulation put in place in Brussels

:06:54. > :06:56.regulation put in place in Brussels regulation put in place in Brussels

:06:56. > :06:57.is flexible enough to allow those is flexible enough to allow those

:06:58. > :06:58.is flexible enough to allow those banks to continue competing and

:06:58. > :07:00.banks to continue competing and banks to continue competing and

:07:00. > :07:01.succeeding while being located in succeeding while being located in

:07:01. > :07:02.succeeding while being located in succeeding while being located in

:07:02. > :07:06.the UK. I'm now joined by the the UK. I'm now joined by the

:07:06. > :07:11.the UK. I'm now joined by the banking analyst Ralph Silva. His

:07:11. > :07:12.banking analyst Ralph Silva. His banking analyst Ralph Silva. His

:07:12. > :07:22.banking analyst Ralph Silva. His RBS been turned around? Do we have

:07:22. > :07:25.

:07:25. > :07:26.RBS been turned around? Do we have RBS been turned around? Do we have

:07:26. > :07:26.RBS been turned around? Do we have him? Hello?Right, we will try one

:07:27. > :07:27.him? Hello?Right, we will try one him? Hello?Right, we will try one

:07:27. > :07:30.him? Hello?Right, we will try one more time and then I will turn to

:07:30. > :07:31.more time and then I will turn to more time and then I will turn to

:07:31. > :07:34.more time and then I will turn to my other guests. Can you hear me?

:07:34. > :07:34.my other guests. Can you hear me? my other guests. Can you hear me?

:07:34. > :07:37.my other guests. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Has RBS been turned

:07:37. > :07:37.Yes, I can. Has RBS been turned Yes, I can. Has RBS been turned

:07:37. > :07:39.Yes, I can. Has RBS been turned around? Yes, we have to look at

:07:39. > :07:40.around? Yes, we have to look at around? Yes, we have to look at

:07:40. > :07:42.around? Yes, we have to look at them in two lights. Prix 2008, the

:07:42. > :07:44.them in two lights. Prix 2008, the them in two lights. Prix 2008, the

:07:44. > :07:45.old regime, and those problems are old regime, and those problems are

:07:45. > :07:46.old regime, and those problems are still there and the current

:07:46. > :07:47.still there and the current still there and the current

:07:47. > :07:48.management is still in place but management is still in place but

:07:48. > :07:49.management is still in place but management is still in place but

:07:49. > :07:50.they are running the bank in a very they are running the bank in a very

:07:50. > :07:52.they are running the bank in a very efficient way. They are good people

:07:52. > :07:52.efficient way. They are good people efficient way. They are good people

:07:53. > :07:55.efficient way. They are good people doing a good job and customers, by

:07:55. > :07:56.doing a good job and customers, by doing a good job and customers, by

:07:56. > :07:57.and large, are happy. Today's RBS and large, are happy. Today's RBS

:07:57. > :07:59.and large, are happy. Today's RBS and large, are happy. Today's RBS

:07:59. > :08:00.is the RBS we want for the future. is the RBS we want for the future.

:08:00. > :08:02.is the RBS we want for the future. is the RBS we want for the future.

:08:02. > :08:03.Why is there a loss of �5 billion? Why is there a loss of �5 billion?

:08:03. > :08:05.Why is there a loss of �5 billion? Because they are dealing with the

:08:05. > :08:06.Because they are dealing with the Because they are dealing with the

:08:06. > :08:07.past. All these issues which past. All these issues which

:08:07. > :08:10.past. All these issues which happened prior to the disaster,

:08:10. > :08:11.happened prior to the disaster, happened prior to the disaster,

:08:11. > :08:13.2008, and dealing with the disaster 2008, and dealing with the disaster

:08:13. > :08:16.2008, and dealing with the disaster that was created by the previous

:08:16. > :08:17.that was created by the previous that was created by the previous

:08:17. > :08:17.that was created by the previous manager of RBS. I used to hate them

:08:17. > :08:20.manager of RBS. I used to hate them manager of RBS. I used to hate them

:08:20. > :08:21.manager of RBS. I used to hate them manager of RBS. I used to hate them

:08:21. > :08:21.and be so angry at them. A now you and be so angry at them. A now you

:08:22. > :08:22.and be so angry at them. A now you feel sorry for them because you

:08:22. > :08:23.feel sorry for them because you feel sorry for them because you

:08:23. > :08:24.feel sorry for them because you don't think there will ever be a

:08:24. > :08:25.don't think there will ever be a don't think there will ever be a

:08:25. > :08:27.don't think there will ever be a stage, even if it's being run more

:08:27. > :08:28.stage, even if it's being run more stage, even if it's being run more

:08:28. > :08:30.effectively, where they will be in effectively, where they will be in

:08:30. > :08:31.effectively, where they will be in effectively, where they will be in

:08:31. > :08:32.profit? I'm hopeful they will be in profit? I'm hopeful they will be in

:08:32. > :08:33.profit? I'm hopeful they will be in profit. They are a good

:08:33. > :08:34.profit. They are a good profit. They are a good

:08:34. > :08:35.organisation. They need to get organisation. They need to get

:08:36. > :08:36.organisation. They need to get their debt under control. It has

:08:36. > :08:37.their debt under control. It has their debt under control. It has

:08:37. > :08:38.their debt under control. It has their debt under control. It has

:08:38. > :08:40.taken on too long to do that and I taken on too long to do that and I

:08:40. > :08:41.taken on too long to do that and I think there's a lot of politics

:08:41. > :08:42.think there's a lot of politics think there's a lot of politics

:08:42. > :08:43.think there's a lot of politics involved in that. They need to be

:08:43. > :08:44.involved in that. They need to be involved in that. They need to be

:08:44. > :08:44.involved in that. They need to be able to operate how they want so it

:08:44. > :08:45.able to operate how they want so it able to operate how they want so it

:08:45. > :08:46.able to operate how they want so it can bring in some money so they can

:08:46. > :08:49.can bring in some money so they can can bring in some money so they can

:08:49. > :08:50.can bring in some money so they can give me my tax money back. Right,

:08:50. > :08:51.give me my tax money back. Right, give me my tax money back. Right,

:08:51. > :08:53.give me my tax money back. Right, so you're saying we to sell-off the

:08:53. > :08:54.so you're saying we to sell-off the government stake? Absolutely, we

:08:54. > :08:56.government stake? Absolutely, we government stake? Absolutely, we

:08:56. > :08:57.need to let them operate and need to let them operate and

:08:57. > :08:59.need to let them operate and compete against Barclays Bank and

:08:59. > :09:00.compete against Barclays Bank and compete against Barclays Bank and

:09:00. > :09:01.HSBC in a free environment. Not HSBC in a free environment. Not

:09:01. > :09:04.HSBC in a free environment. Not under the confines of the

:09:04. > :09:05.under the confines of the government. The problem is,

:09:05. > :09:05.government. The problem is, government. The problem is,

:09:05. > :09:06.taxpayers won't want to lose money taxpayers won't want to lose money

:09:06. > :09:07.taxpayers won't want to lose money taxpayers won't want to lose money

:09:07. > :09:08.which they will do at the moment if which they will do at the moment if

:09:08. > :09:09.which they will do at the moment if which they will do at the moment if

:09:09. > :09:10.they try to sell it off too soon. they try to sell it off too soon.

:09:10. > :09:11.they try to sell it off too soon. they try to sell it off too soon.

:09:11. > :09:13.We certainly will not make a lot of We certainly will not make a lot of

:09:13. > :09:14.We certainly will not make a lot of money, that's true, but I'm not

:09:14. > :09:15.money, that's true, but I'm not money, that's true, but I'm not

:09:15. > :09:17.money, that's true, but I'm not happy having a bank the size of RBS

:09:17. > :09:18.happy having a bank the size of RBS in government hands. The

:09:18. > :09:20.in government hands. The in government hands. The

:09:20. > :09:21.implications of being able to buy implications of being able to buy

:09:21. > :09:22.implications of being able to buy votes by moving money to certain

:09:22. > :09:23.votes by moving money to certain votes by moving money to certain

:09:23. > :09:24.areas is something we definitely areas is something we definitely

:09:24. > :09:25.areas is something we definitely areas is something we definitely

:09:25. > :09:26.don't want to go into. This too don't want to go into. This too

:09:26. > :09:27.don't want to go into. This too much danger having the government

:09:27. > :09:28.much danger having the government much danger having the government

:09:28. > :09:29.much danger having the government running this bank and I'm sorry we

:09:29. > :09:29.running this bank and I'm sorry we running this bank and I'm sorry we

:09:29. > :09:30.running this bank and I'm sorry we won't make the money back but right

:09:30. > :09:31.won't make the money back but right won't make the money back but right

:09:31. > :09:32.won't make the money back but right won't make the money back but right

:09:32. > :09:33.now we have to get rid of it as now we have to get rid of it as

:09:33. > :09:34.now we have to get rid of it as now we have to get rid of it as

:09:34. > :09:35.fast as possible. With us now is fast as possible. With us now is

:09:35. > :09:36.fast as possible. With us now is the Conservative MP and former

:09:36. > :09:36.the Conservative MP and former the Conservative MP and former

:09:36. > :09:37.cabinet minister John Redwood. And cabinet minister John Redwood. And

:09:37. > :09:38.cabinet minister John Redwood. And cabinet minister John Redwood. And

:09:38. > :09:39.Labour MP Andy Love. He's a member Labour MP Andy Love. He's a member

:09:39. > :09:41.Labour MP Andy Love. He's a member of the Parliamentary Commission on

:09:41. > :09:42.of the Parliamentary Commission on of the Parliamentary Commission on

:09:42. > :09:43.Banking Standards. Welcome to both Banking Standards. Welcome to both

:09:43. > :09:45.Banking Standards. Welcome to both Banking Standards. Welcome to both

:09:45. > :09:45.of you. Do you agree with the of you. Do you agree with the

:09:45. > :09:48.of you. Do you agree with the assessment of the Bank is being

:09:48. > :09:49.assessment of the Bank is being assessment of the Bank is being

:09:49. > :09:50.turned around? I think these turned around? I think these

:09:50. > :09:51.turned around? I think these results are disappointing and it's

:09:51. > :09:51.results are disappointing and it's results are disappointing and it's

:09:51. > :09:52.results are disappointing and it's taking too long. I think they ought

:09:52. > :09:54.taking too long. I think they ought taking too long. I think they ought

:09:54. > :09:55.to be breaking it up more to be breaking it up more

:09:55. > :09:56.to be breaking it up more energetically and we have learned

:09:56. > :09:57.energetically and we have learned energetically and we have learned

:09:57. > :09:59.today they might get round to today they might get round to

:09:59. > :09:59.today they might get round to selling part of their American bank

:10:00. > :10:01.selling part of their American bank selling part of their American bank

:10:01. > :10:02.selling part of their American bank and I can't see a reason why their

:10:02. > :10:03.and I can't see a reason why their and I can't see a reason why their

:10:03. > :10:03.own an American bank and the own an American bank and the

:10:03. > :10:08.own an American bank and the British taxpayers have to stand

:10:08. > :10:09.British taxpayers have to stand British taxpayers have to stand

:10:09. > :10:10.behind it. It's a decent enterprise, behind it. It's a decent enterprise,

:10:10. > :10:12.behind it. It's a decent enterprise, then get rid of it. Otherwise,

:10:12. > :10:13.then get rid of it. Otherwise, then get rid of it. Otherwise,

:10:13. > :10:15.then get rid of it. Otherwise, close it down. I think we also need

:10:15. > :10:16.close it down. I think we also need close it down. I think we also need

:10:16. > :10:17.more competition in the British more competition in the British

:10:17. > :10:18.more competition in the British banking industry. I don't think

:10:18. > :10:20.banking industry. I don't think your analyst understand the

:10:20. > :10:21.your analyst understand the disconnection between the British

:10:21. > :10:22.disconnection between the British disconnection between the British

:10:22. > :10:23.public and the banking system public and the banking system

:10:23. > :10:24.public and the banking system generally. The you don't think

:10:25. > :10:25.generally. The you don't think generally. The you don't think

:10:25. > :10:29.generally. The you don't think people are happy with RBS might he

:10:29. > :10:30.people are happy with RBS might he people are happy with RBS might he

:10:30. > :10:31.said? No, not taxpayers, not said? No, not taxpayers, not

:10:31. > :10:32.said? No, not taxpayers, not customers, and managers are trying

:10:32. > :10:33.customers, and managers are trying customers, and managers are trying

:10:34. > :10:34.customers, and managers are trying to improve it. They inherited a bad

:10:34. > :10:35.to improve it. They inherited a bad to improve it. They inherited a bad

:10:35. > :10:36.situation and are trying to make situation and are trying to make

:10:36. > :10:37.situation and are trying to make situation and are trying to make

:10:37. > :10:39.sense of it but it's taking a very sense of it but it's taking a very

:10:39. > :10:41.sense of it but it's taking a very sense of it but it's taking a very

:10:41. > :10:43.long time. I don't think RBS is a long time. I don't think RBS is a

:10:44. > :10:44.long time. I don't think RBS is a natural successful big bank company.

:10:45. > :10:45.natural successful big bank company. natural successful big bank company.

:10:45. > :10:47.It was spatchcocked together too It was spatchcocked together too

:10:47. > :10:48.It was spatchcocked together too quickly out of assets to diverse.

:10:48. > :10:49.quickly out of assets to diverse. quickly out of assets to diverse.

:10:49. > :10:50.quickly out of assets to diverse. Do you think we get a better deal

:10:50. > :10:52.Do you think we get a better deal Do you think we get a better deal

:10:52. > :10:53.Do you think we get a better deal Do you think we get a better deal

:10:53. > :10:54.if we hang on a bit longer? If they if we hang on a bit longer? If they

:10:54. > :10:55.if we hang on a bit longer? If they if we hang on a bit longer? If they

:10:55. > :10:56.hung on for a couple more years, hung on for a couple more years,

:10:56. > :10:57.hung on for a couple more years, hung on for a couple more years,

:10:57. > :10:59.due to the taxpayer would get their due to the taxpayer would get their

:10:59. > :11:00.due to the taxpayer would get their due to the taxpayer would get their

:11:00. > :11:00.money back? I doubt it. I was money back? I doubt it. I was

:11:01. > :11:02.money back? I doubt it. I was against the nationalisation in the

:11:02. > :11:02.against the nationalisation in the against the nationalisation in the

:11:02. > :11:03.against the nationalisation in the first place and they want it split

:11:03. > :11:05.first place and they want it split first place and they want it split

:11:05. > :11:06.first place and they want it split up at the point the crisis hit,

:11:06. > :11:07.up at the point the crisis hit, up at the point the crisis hit,

:11:07. > :11:08.because things could have been because things could have been

:11:08. > :11:09.because things could have been saved early on and things should

:11:09. > :11:10.saved early on and things should saved early on and things should

:11:10. > :11:11.saved early on and things should have been closed down early on but

:11:11. > :11:12.have been closed down early on but have been closed down early on but

:11:12. > :11:13.have been closed down early on but the government had to step in to

:11:13. > :11:15.the government had to step in to the government had to step in to

:11:15. > :11:16.support the important network the support the important network the

:11:16. > :11:18.support the important network the banks sustained but didn't support

:11:18. > :11:19.banks sustained but didn't support banks sustained but didn't support

:11:19. > :11:21.everything else. We need controlled everything else. We need controlled

:11:21. > :11:22.everything else. We need controlled administration for RBS. What do you

:11:22. > :11:25.administration for RBS. What do you administration for RBS. What do you

:11:25. > :11:26.think about selling it off? Early? think about selling it off? Early?

:11:26. > :11:29.think about selling it off? Early? think about selling it off? Early?

:11:29. > :11:31.Would you like to see the bank in Would you like to see the bank in

:11:31. > :11:32.Would you like to see the bank in Would you like to see the bank in

:11:32. > :11:33.private hands? I think so. I agree private hands? I think so. I agree

:11:33. > :11:34.private hands? I think so. I agree private hands? I think so. I agree

:11:34. > :11:34.with a comment made a few moments with a comment made a few moments

:11:34. > :11:36.with a comment made a few moments with a comment made a few moments

:11:36. > :11:39.with a comment made a few moments ago, if we sell it off now, we will

:11:39. > :11:40.ago, if we sell it off now, we will ago, if we sell it off now, we will

:11:40. > :11:40.ago, if we sell it off now, we will get far less than it cost the

:11:41. > :11:41.get far less than it cost the get far less than it cost the

:11:41. > :11:44.government in the time, whereas government in the time, whereas

:11:44. > :11:45.government in the time, whereas there is every indication to

:11:45. > :11:46.there is every indication to there is every indication to

:11:46. > :11:47.there is every indication to believe that if we hold on for a

:11:47. > :11:48.believe that if we hold on for a believe that if we hold on for a

:11:48. > :11:51.believe that if we hold on for a period, then we will get our money

:11:51. > :11:54.period, then we will get our money period, then we will get our money

:11:54. > :11:55.back. One reason, there is a back. One reason, there is a

:11:55. > :11:58.back. One reason, there is a divestment strategy may need leaner,

:11:58. > :11:59.divestment strategy may need leaner, divestment strategy may need leaner,

:11:59. > :12:01.more profitable. Less of the risks more profitable. Less of the risks

:12:01. > :12:02.more profitable. Less of the risks involved with the larger RBS.

:12:02. > :12:05.involved with the larger RBS. involved with the larger RBS.

:12:05. > :12:05.Secondly, we all assume the economy Secondly, we all assume the economy

:12:05. > :12:06.Secondly, we all assume the economy Secondly, we all assume the economy

:12:07. > :12:09.will turn around and, as it does, will turn around and, as it does,

:12:09. > :12:10.will turn around and, as it does, will turn around and, as it does,

:12:10. > :12:12.banks will begin to rise. But, of banks will begin to rise. But, of

:12:12. > :12:13.banks will begin to rise. But, of banks will begin to rise. But, of

:12:13. > :12:16.course, RBS will be one of those. course, RBS will be one of those.

:12:16. > :12:17.course, RBS will be one of those. course, RBS will be one of those.

:12:17. > :12:18.But by holding on to them, then a But by holding on to them, then a

:12:18. > :12:19.But by holding on to them, then a you're slowing down the process of

:12:19. > :12:21.you're slowing down the process of you're slowing down the process of

:12:21. > :12:22.RBS getting back into profit. We RBS getting back into profit. We

:12:22. > :12:25.RBS getting back into profit. We will see these losses continue year

:12:25. > :12:26.will see these losses continue year will see these losses continue year

:12:26. > :12:27.will see these losses continue year after year. No, I don't think we

:12:27. > :12:28.after year. No, I don't think we after year. No, I don't think we

:12:28. > :12:31.will. The vast majority of the will. The vast majority of the

:12:31. > :12:32.will. The vast majority of the losses this year were provisions

:12:32. > :12:35.losses this year were provisions for payment protection insurance,

:12:35. > :12:36.for payment protection insurance, for payment protection insurance,

:12:36. > :12:38.which actually, don't predate as which actually, don't predate as

:12:38. > :12:39.which actually, don't predate as was suggested by or analyst. They

:12:39. > :12:40.was suggested by or analyst. They was suggested by or analyst. They

:12:40. > :12:42.continued well past the changeover continued well past the changeover

:12:42. > :12:44.continued well past the changeover dates. I do think there are

:12:44. > :12:45.dates. I do think there are dates. I do think there are

:12:45. > :12:47.continuing problems at RBS, but continuing problems at RBS, but

:12:47. > :12:48.continuing problems at RBS, but they have gone through a remarkable

:12:48. > :12:49.they have gone through a remarkable they have gone through a remarkable

:12:49. > :12:52.transformation in the last few transformation in the last few

:12:52. > :12:53.years, they have divested years, they have divested

:12:53. > :12:55.years, they have divested themselves of the bad assets they

:12:55. > :12:56.themselves of the bad assets they themselves of the bad assets they

:12:56. > :12:58.themselves of the bad assets they had, and we need to see this

:12:58. > :12:58.had, and we need to see this had, and we need to see this

:12:58. > :12:59.programme through. And then decide programme through. And then decide

:12:59. > :13:01.programme through. And then decide when the appropriate time is to

:13:01. > :13:02.when the appropriate time is to when the appropriate time is to

:13:02. > :13:04.when the appropriate time is to sell. At this point, do you think

:13:04. > :13:05.sell. At this point, do you think sell. At this point, do you think

:13:05. > :13:07.was justified to have over �600 was justified to have over �600

:13:07. > :13:08.was justified to have over �600 million worth of bonuses? I think

:13:08. > :13:09.million worth of bonuses? I think million worth of bonuses? I think

:13:09. > :13:10.you are stuck with the bonus you are stuck with the bonus

:13:10. > :13:11.you are stuck with the bonus you are stuck with the bonus

:13:11. > :13:12.problem. It makes my blood boil but problem. It makes my blood boil but

:13:12. > :13:13.problem. It makes my blood boil but it's the way they operate. Boris

:13:13. > :13:16.it's the way they operate. Boris it's the way they operate. Boris

:13:16. > :13:17.Johnson spoke out about it this Johnson spoke out about it this

:13:17. > :13:18.Johnson spoke out about it this morning. He said we should Capper

:13:18. > :13:19.morning. He said we should Capper morning. He said we should Capper

:13:19. > :13:20.bankers bonuses for so it sounds bankers bonuses for so it sounds

:13:20. > :13:22.bankers bonuses for so it sounds all well and good and makes

:13:22. > :13:22.all well and good and makes all well and good and makes

:13:22. > :13:24.everybody feel better, but the fact everybody feel better, but the fact

:13:24. > :13:24.everybody feel better, but the fact everybody feel better, but the fact

:13:24. > :13:28.of the matter is, bank bonuses are of the matter is, bank bonuses are

:13:28. > :13:28.of the matter is, bank bonuses are essential in business. It's an ugly

:13:28. > :13:30.essential in business. It's an ugly essential in business. It's an ugly

:13:30. > :13:32.side of banking, not at all side of banking, not at all

:13:32. > :13:34.side of banking, not at all attractive, but a matter of fact.

:13:34. > :13:35.attractive, but a matter of fact. What is particularly unattractive

:13:35. > :13:36.What is particularly unattractive What is particularly unattractive

:13:36. > :13:39.What is particularly unattractive is a registered a loss of over �5

:13:39. > :13:40.is a registered a loss of over �5 is a registered a loss of over �5

:13:40. > :13:42.billion, and are paying out bonuses billion, and are paying out bonuses

:13:42. > :13:42.billion, and are paying out bonuses billion, and are paying out bonuses

:13:42. > :13:44.at the same time for that the at the same time for that the

:13:44. > :13:45.public won't understand that. public won't understand that.

:13:45. > :13:47.public won't understand that. Except, of course, there is the

:13:47. > :13:48.Except, of course, there is the Except, of course, there is the

:13:48. > :13:50.ironic situation of an underlying ironic situation of an underlying

:13:50. > :13:52.ironic situation of an underlying profit, which most people, I did

:13:52. > :13:53.profit, which most people, I did profit, which most people, I did

:13:53. > :13:56.appreciated, in terms of justifying appreciated, in terms of justifying

:13:56. > :13:58.appreciated, in terms of justifying and giving out bonuses, but, John

:13:58. > :14:00.and giving out bonuses, but, John and giving out bonuses, but, John

:14:00. > :14:01.Redwood, these people have made his Redwood, these people have made his

:14:01. > :14:02.underlying profits. I would underlying profits. I would

:14:02. > :14:03.underlying profits. I would distinguish between people of the

:14:03. > :14:04.distinguish between people of the distinguish between people of the

:14:04. > :14:05.top lot of responsibility for the top lot of responsibility for the

:14:05. > :14:08.top lot of responsibility for the overall results. It's a loss-making

:14:08. > :14:09.overall results. It's a loss-making overall results. It's a loss-making

:14:09. > :14:12.bank, state-owned. We need profit bank, state-owned. We need profit

:14:12. > :14:12.bank, state-owned. We need profit bank, state-owned. We need profit

:14:12. > :14:14.and we need a return on investment. and we need a return on investment.

:14:14. > :14:15.and we need a return on investment. People in the individual divisions,

:14:15. > :14:16.People in the individual divisions, People in the individual divisions,

:14:16. > :14:17.People in the individual divisions, offered a bonus to make sure they

:14:17. > :14:18.offered a bonus to make sure they offered a bonus to make sure they

:14:18. > :14:21.were properly, have a clear legal were properly, have a clear legal

:14:21. > :14:21.were properly, have a clear legal were properly, have a clear legal

:14:21. > :14:22.case to be paid a bonus. People case to be paid a bonus. People

:14:22. > :14:23.case to be paid a bonus. People case to be paid a bonus. People

:14:23. > :14:25.will find it a double to understand will find it a double to understand

:14:25. > :14:26.will find it a double to understand that. Do you appreciate that, in

:14:26. > :14:27.that. Do you appreciate that, in that. Do you appreciate that, in

:14:27. > :14:28.that. Do you appreciate that, in order for the bank to get back to

:14:28. > :14:29.order for the bank to get back to order for the bank to get back to

:14:29. > :14:30.business as usual, people do have business as usual, people do have

:14:30. > :14:31.business as usual, people do have business as usual, people do have

:14:31. > :14:33.to be rewarded if they are helping to be rewarded if they are helping

:14:33. > :14:34.to be rewarded if they are helping it become more profitable? Yes, but

:14:34. > :14:36.it become more profitable? Yes, but it become more profitable? Yes, but

:14:36. > :14:37.it become more profitable? Yes, but there needs to be a clear link

:14:37. > :14:38.there needs to be a clear link there needs to be a clear link

:14:38. > :14:39.established for the public and the established for the public and the

:14:39. > :14:40.established for the public and the performance on which to base those

:14:40. > :14:42.performance on which to base those performance on which to base those

:14:42. > :14:44.bonuses. When you lose the amounts bonuses. When you lose the amounts

:14:44. > :14:44.bonuses. When you lose the amounts bonuses. When you lose the amounts

:14:44. > :14:46.of money RBS have been losing for of money RBS have been losing for

:14:46. > :14:47.of money RBS have been losing for the last few years, it's very

:14:47. > :14:47.the last few years, it's very the last few years, it's very

:14:47. > :14:50.difficult and I understand the difficult and I understand the

:14:50. > :14:51.difficult and I understand the public don't always understand the

:14:51. > :14:52.public don't always understand the public don't always understand the

:14:52. > :14:54.complexities and nuances of this, complexities and nuances of this,

:14:54. > :14:54.complexities and nuances of this, complexities and nuances of this,

:14:54. > :14:56.but it is incumbent on RBS and but it is incumbent on RBS and

:14:56. > :14:57.but it is incumbent on RBS and other banks as well to establish

:14:57. > :15:00.other banks as well to establish other banks as well to establish

:15:00. > :15:00.very firmly why these bonuses have very firmly why these bonuses have

:15:00. > :15:02.very firmly why these bonuses have very firmly why these bonuses have

:15:02. > :15:03.been paid. If you work at RBS and been paid. If you work at RBS and

:15:03. > :15:04.been paid. If you work at RBS and you know you are personally

:15:04. > :15:05.you know you are personally you know you are personally

:15:05. > :15:07.responsible for the rise in profits, responsible for the rise in profits,

:15:07. > :15:09.responsible for the rise in profits, and then you're told, for political

:15:09. > :15:10.and then you're told, for political reasons, public relations reasons,

:15:10. > :15:11.reasons, public relations reasons, reasons, public relations reasons,

:15:11. > :15:12.reasons, public relations reasons, you will go to another bank, when

:15:12. > :15:15.you will go to another bank, when you will go to another bank, when

:15:15. > :15:16.she couldn't get a bonus. It's she couldn't get a bonus. It's

:15:16. > :15:17.she couldn't get a bonus. It's important that they explain it but

:15:17. > :15:18.important that they explain it but important that they explain it but

:15:18. > :15:20.important that they explain it but also we have to set is the context.

:15:20. > :15:21.also we have to set is the context. also we have to set is the context.

:15:21. > :15:22.Of course, they might make money Of course, they might make money

:15:22. > :15:26.Of course, they might make money Of course, they might make money

:15:26. > :15:28.this year but what about in future? this year but what about in future?

:15:28. > :15:29.Long-term performance. We need Long-term performance. We need

:15:29. > :15:31.proper performance-based incentives. proper performance-based incentives.

:15:31. > :15:32.proper performance-based incentives. proper performance-based incentives.

:15:32. > :15:33.We need to make sure that these We need to make sure that these

:15:33. > :15:34.We need to make sure that these arrangements don't just last for

:15:34. > :15:37.arrangements don't just last for arrangements don't just last for

:15:37. > :15:39.arrangements don't just last for one year but 10 years. And we need

:15:39. > :15:41.one year but 10 years. And we need one year but 10 years. And we need

:15:41. > :15:42.one year but 10 years. And we need to be firm and suggest you don't

:15:42. > :15:44.to be firm and suggest you don't to be firm and suggest you don't

:15:44. > :15:45.to be firm and suggest you don't to be firm and suggest you don't

:15:45. > :15:48.pay this in cash. You pay it, in my pay this in cash. You pay it, in my

:15:48. > :15:50.pay this in cash. You pay it, in my pay this in cash. You pay it, in my

:15:50. > :15:50.view, in that debt, and it should, view, in that debt, and it should,

:15:50. > :15:52.view, in that debt, and it should, view, in that debt, and it should,

:15:52. > :16:02.if the bank goes bust, they will if the bank goes bust, they will

:16:02. > :16:05.

:16:05. > :16:06.if the bank goes bust, they will So what do you say about capping

:16:06. > :16:09.So what do you say about capping So what do you say about capping

:16:09. > :16:10.So what do you say about capping bonuses? It is -- is it a good idea?

:16:10. > :16:11.bonuses? It is -- is it a good idea? bonuses? It is -- is it a good idea?

:16:11. > :16:13.It is dangerous because the banks It is dangerous because the banks

:16:13. > :16:14.It is dangerous because the banks will simply increase the base salad

:16:14. > :16:14.will simply increase the base salad will simply increase the base salad

:16:14. > :16:17.will simply increase the base salad tail -- salaries so they are more

:16:17. > :16:17.tail -- salaries so they are more tail -- salaries so they are more

:16:17. > :16:18.volatile. If there is a downturn volatile. If there is a downturn

:16:18. > :16:20.volatile. If there is a downturn volatile. If there is a downturn

:16:21. > :16:22.they won't be able to cut the base they won't be able to cut the base

:16:22. > :16:23.they won't be able to cut the base they won't be able to cut the base

:16:23. > :16:24.salary, but they will be able to cut salary, but they will be able to cut

:16:24. > :16:27.salary, but they will be able to cut salary, but they will be able to cut

:16:27. > :16:29.bonuses, so it makes them far less bonuses, so it makes them far less

:16:29. > :16:29.bonuses, so it makes them far less bonuses, so it makes them far less

:16:29. > :16:30.stable. And then others will go to stable. And then others will go to

:16:30. > :16:30.stable. And then others will go to centres outside the European Union

:16:31. > :16:31.centres outside the European Union centres outside the European Union

:16:31. > :16:34.centres outside the European Union where they don't face those kinds of

:16:34. > :16:35.where they don't face those kinds of where they don't face those kinds of

:16:35. > :16:36.restrictions. One of the biggest restrictions. One of the biggest

:16:36. > :16:38.restrictions. One of the biggest problem still is lending to small

:16:38. > :16:38.problem still is lending to small problem still is lending to small

:16:39. > :16:40.problem still is lending to small businesses. I don't know what RBS is

:16:40. > :16:41.businesses. I don't know what RBS is businesses. I don't know what RBS is

:16:41. > :16:42.businesses. I don't know what RBS is like in terms of its performance or

:16:42. > :16:45.like in terms of its performance or like in terms of its performance or

:16:45. > :16:47.giving credit generally. Has that giving credit generally. Has that

:16:47. > :16:47.giving credit generally. Has that giving credit generally. Has that

:16:47. > :16:48.improved? No, it hasn't. In fact, it improved? No, it hasn't. In fact, it

:16:48. > :16:51.improved? No, it hasn't. In fact, it is getting worse because they are

:16:51. > :16:53.is getting worse because they are is getting worse because they are

:16:53. > :16:54.using the opportunity of businesses using the opportunity of businesses

:16:54. > :16:55.using the opportunity of businesses paying back to increase their

:16:55. > :16:55.paying back to increase their paying back to increase their

:16:55. > :16:56.capital. They are under some capital. They are under some

:16:56. > :16:59.capital. They are under some pressure to increase the level of

:16:59. > :17:01.pressure to increase the level of pressure to increase the level of

:17:01. > :17:01.capital. But isn't that the problem capital. But isn't that the problem

:17:01. > :17:02.capital. But isn't that the problem for the banks dash that the

:17:02. > :17:04.for the banks dash that the for the banks dash that the

:17:04. > :17:05.Government has got them between a Government has got them between a

:17:05. > :17:06.Government has got them between a Government has got them between a

:17:06. > :17:06.rock and a hard place? They are rock and a hard place? They are

:17:06. > :17:08.rock and a hard place? They are putting down these measures and

:17:08. > :17:12.putting down these measures and putting down these measures and

:17:12. > :17:12.saying, you have got to increase saying, you have got to increase

:17:12. > :17:13.saying, you have got to increase saying, you have got to increase

:17:13. > :17:18.your balance sheets but lend more at your balance sheets but lend more at

:17:18. > :17:20.your balance sheets but lend more at the same time? Many have been

:17:20. > :17:22.the same time? Many have been the same time? Many have been

:17:22. > :17:22.saying, then this money because we saying, then this money because we

:17:22. > :17:23.desperately need an economic desperately need an economic

:17:23. > :17:25.desperately need an economic recovery. I've been saying for a

:17:25. > :17:25.recovery. I've been saying for a recovery. I've been saying for a

:17:25. > :17:26.recovery. I've been saying for a long time that I think you have

:17:26. > :17:27.long time that I think you have long time that I think you have

:17:27. > :17:31.long time that I think you have tough regulation near the top of the

:17:31. > :17:32.tough regulation near the top of the tough regulation near the top of the

:17:32. > :17:33.tough regulation near the top of the cycle and much weaker rules at the

:17:33. > :17:33.cycle and much weaker rules at the cycle and much weaker rules at the

:17:34. > :17:35.bottom of the cycle. And bottom of the cycle. And

:17:35. > :17:36.bottom of the cycle. And unfortunately we are still at the

:17:37. > :17:37.unfortunately we are still at the unfortunately we are still at the

:17:37. > :17:39.unfortunately we are still at the bottom of the cycle. At this point

:17:39. > :17:40.bottom of the cycle. At this point you should be reasonably

:17:40. > :17:42.you should be reasonably you should be reasonably

:17:42. > :17:42.accommodating. The banks have made accommodating. The banks have made

:17:43. > :17:44.accommodating. The banks have made huge strides in having more

:17:44. > :17:45.huge strides in having more huge strides in having more

:17:45. > :17:46.capital. The regulators should now capital. The regulators should now

:17:46. > :17:47.capital. The regulators should now capital. The regulators should now

:17:47. > :17:50.say, job done, for a bit, and we say, job done, for a bit, and we

:17:50. > :17:51.say, job done, for a bit, and we say, job done, for a bit, and we

:17:51. > :17:53.should go on and then some. Do you should go on and then some. Do you

:17:53. > :17:58.should go on and then some. Do you should go on and then some. Do you

:17:58. > :17:59.should go on and then some. Do you see that as a priority? Yes, I do.

:17:59. > :18:01.see that as a priority? Yes, I do. see that as a priority? Yes, I do.

:18:01. > :18:03.think the regulator could start by think the regulator could start by

:18:03. > :18:04.think the regulator could start by telling banks publicly that since we

:18:04. > :18:05.telling banks publicly that since we telling banks publicly that since we

:18:05. > :18:06.telling banks publicly that since we are at the low point in the cycle,

:18:06. > :18:08.are at the low point in the cycle, are at the low point in the cycle,

:18:08. > :18:09.are at the low point in the cycle, that they are going to be much more

:18:09. > :18:10.that they are going to be much more that they are going to be much more

:18:10. > :18:11.lenient in terms of what they lenient in terms of what they

:18:11. > :18:12.lenient in terms of what they lenient in terms of what they

:18:12. > :18:13.demand, and then of course we need demand, and then of course we need

:18:13. > :18:15.demand, and then of course we need to enter into discussions with the

:18:15. > :18:16.to enter into discussions with the to enter into discussions with the

:18:16. > :18:18.banks as to exactly what that banks as to exactly what that

:18:18. > :18:18.banks as to exactly what that means, but undoubtedly, unless that

:18:19. > :18:21.means, but undoubtedly, unless that means, but undoubtedly, unless that

:18:21. > :18:22.means, but undoubtedly, unless that happens, it is really hard to see

:18:22. > :18:22.happens, it is really hard to see happens, it is really hard to see

:18:22. > :18:27.that banks will increase their that banks will increase their

:18:27. > :18:28.lending, particularly to small lending, particularly to small

:18:28. > :18:29.businesses. Gentlemen, thank you. businesses. Gentlemen, thank you.

:18:29. > :18:30.businesses. Gentlemen, thank you. businesses. Gentlemen, thank you.

:18:30. > :18:34.businesses. Gentlemen, thank you. Now, it is a bill that has made the

:18:34. > :18:34.Now, it is a bill that has made the Now, it is a bill that has made the

:18:34. > :18:35.headlines today in Resource Magazine headlines today in Resource Magazine

:18:35. > :18:37.headlines today in Resource Magazine and Recycling Today. It should

:18:37. > :18:41.and Recycling Today. It should and Recycling Today. It should

:18:41. > :18:44.become law later today. The Scrap become law later today. The Scrap

:18:44. > :18:45.become law later today. The Scrap become law later today. The Scrap

:18:45. > :18:46.Metal Dealers Bill is going on. It Metal Dealers Bill is going on. It

:18:46. > :18:47.Metal Dealers Bill is going on. It is obviously an important bill,

:18:47. > :18:50.is obviously an important bill, is obviously an important bill,

:18:50. > :18:51.Richard Ottaway? You have made the Richard Ottaway? You have made the

:18:51. > :18:52.Richard Ottaway? You have made the Richard Ottaway? You have made the

:18:52. > :18:53.headlines? Yes, it was made law this headlines? Yes, it was made law this

:18:53. > :18:55.headlines? Yes, it was made law this morning. And it is an important

:18:55. > :18:56.morning. And it is an important morning. And it is an important

:18:56. > :18:57.morning. And it is an important bill, as you rightly say. It is

:18:57. > :18:58.bill, as you rightly say. It is bill, as you rightly say. It is

:18:58. > :19:00.addressing a serious problem. It is addressing a serious problem. It is

:19:00. > :19:01.addressing a serious problem. It is addressing a serious problem. It is

:19:01. > :19:02.not just petty crime or a victimless not just petty crime or a victimless

:19:02. > :19:03.not just petty crime or a victimless not just petty crime or a victimless

:19:03. > :19:04.not just petty crime or a victimless crime. It is a crime that has a big

:19:04. > :19:04.crime. It is a crime that has a big crime. It is a crime that has a big

:19:05. > :19:09.crime. It is a crime that has a big pat on society so it is important

:19:09. > :19:13.pat on society so it is important pat on society so it is important

:19:13. > :19:14.pat on society so it is important legislation. -- a big impact. We are

:19:14. > :19:16.legislation. -- a big impact. We are legislation. -- a big impact. We are

:19:16. > :19:17.not just talking about metal left not just talking about metal left

:19:17. > :19:21.not just talking about metal left outside people's houses. We are

:19:21. > :19:23.outside people's houses. We are outside people's houses. We are

:19:23. > :19:24.talking major theft? The estimate is talking major theft? The estimate is

:19:24. > :19:26.talking major theft? The estimate is talking major theft? The estimate is

:19:26. > :19:26.that nationwide it is -- costing the that nationwide it is -- costing the

:19:27. > :19:29.that nationwide it is -- costing the economy quarter of �1 billion a

:19:29. > :19:30.economy quarter of �1 billion a economy quarter of �1 billion a

:19:30. > :19:31.year, from church groups to year, from church groups to

:19:31. > :19:34.telecommunications cables and then telecommunications cables and then

:19:34. > :19:34.telecommunications cables and then telecommunications cables and then

:19:34. > :19:36.plaques in memorials. It is a lot of plaques in memorials. It is a lot of

:19:36. > :19:36.plaques in memorials. It is a lot of plaques in memorials. It is a lot of

:19:36. > :19:40.money involved and indeed a lot of money involved and indeed a lot of

:19:40. > :19:41.money involved and indeed a lot of lost revenue to the Treasury.

:19:41. > :19:41.lost revenue to the Treasury. lost revenue to the Treasury.

:19:41. > :19:44.lost revenue to the Treasury. will you so interested in it? Apart

:19:44. > :19:45.will you so interested in it? Apart will you so interested in it? Apart

:19:45. > :19:46.will you so interested in it? Apart from the fact that it is costing the

:19:47. > :19:47.from the fact that it is costing the from the fact that it is costing the

:19:47. > :19:52.from the fact that it is costing the economy so much money? -- why were

:19:52. > :19:53.economy so much money? -- why were economy so much money? -- why were

:19:53. > :19:54.economy so much money? -- why were you? Well, bits of lead from the

:19:54. > :19:55.you? Well, bits of lead from the you? Well, bits of lead from the

:19:55. > :19:56.you? Well, bits of lead from the parish roof where I live with stolen

:19:56. > :19:57.parish roof where I live with stolen parish roof where I live with stolen

:19:57. > :19:59.and the damage to the organ and the damage to the organ

:19:59. > :20:00.and the damage to the organ underneath the roof cost over

:20:00. > :20:01.underneath the roof cost over underneath the roof cost over

:20:01. > :20:02.underneath the roof cost over �100,000, so I pledged in the last

:20:02. > :20:02.�100,000, so I pledged in the last �100,000, so I pledged in the last

:20:02. > :20:03.�100,000, so I pledged in the last election that if I had a chance, I

:20:03. > :20:04.election that if I had a chance, I election that if I had a chance, I

:20:04. > :20:06.election that if I had a chance, I would do my best to reform in the

:20:06. > :20:07.would do my best to reform in the would do my best to reform in the

:20:07. > :20:08.would do my best to reform in the Lords and I like to think I have

:20:08. > :20:10.Lords and I like to think I have Lords and I like to think I have

:20:10. > :20:11.Lords and I like to think I have done that in my pledge this morning.

:20:11. > :20:13.done that in my pledge this morning. done that in my pledge this morning.

:20:13. > :20:15.done that in my pledge this morning. How do people get away with stealing

:20:15. > :20:20.How do people get away with stealing How do people get away with stealing

:20:20. > :20:22.How do people get away with stealing this? Things like a roof?It is a

:20:22. > :20:23.this? Things like a roof?It is a this? Things like a roof?It is a

:20:23. > :20:24.fairly lawless area. There have been fairly lawless area. There have been

:20:24. > :20:28.fairly lawless area. There have been many rogue scrap metal dealers, to

:20:28. > :20:31.many rogue scrap metal dealers, to many rogue scrap metal dealers, to

:20:31. > :20:34.many rogue scrap metal dealers, to be honest. We have had to make it

:20:34. > :20:35.be honest. We have had to make it be honest. We have had to make it

:20:35. > :20:36.difficult by saying cash can't be difficult by saying cash can't be

:20:36. > :20:38.difficult by saying cash can't be difficult by saying cash can't be

:20:38. > :20:39.used for deals and records have to used for deals and records have to

:20:39. > :20:40.used for deals and records have to be made. Where we've actually done

:20:40. > :20:43.be made. Where we've actually done be made. Where we've actually done

:20:43. > :20:44.this on voluntary basis around the this on voluntary basis around the

:20:44. > :20:45.this on voluntary basis around the country through the police, who have

:20:45. > :20:48.country through the police, who have country through the police, who have

:20:48. > :20:49.been operating voluntary codes, we been operating voluntary codes, we

:20:49. > :20:50.been operating voluntary codes, we been operating voluntary codes, we

:20:50. > :20:51.been operating voluntary codes, we have seen a 40% fall and more in the

:20:51. > :20:51.have seen a 40% fall and more in the have seen a 40% fall and more in the

:20:51. > :20:52.have seen a 40% fall and more in the level of metal theft and I like to

:20:52. > :20:53.level of metal theft and I like to level of metal theft and I like to

:20:53. > :20:55.level of metal theft and I like to think that figure will go up quite

:20:55. > :20:55.think that figure will go up quite think that figure will go up quite

:20:55. > :21:01.dramatically later this year when my dramatically later this year when my

:21:01. > :21:01.dramatically later this year when my dramatically later this year when my

:21:01. > :21:07.act comes into effect. Thank you and act comes into effect. Thank you and

:21:07. > :21:08.act comes into effect. Thank you and enjoy being on the headlines today!

:21:08. > :21:09.enjoy being on the headlines today! enjoy being on the headlines today!

:21:09. > :21:12.Figures this morning reveal net Figures this morning reveal net

:21:12. > :21:13.Figures this morning reveal net Figures this morning reveal net

:21:13. > :21:14.migration fell by a third to 163,000 migration fell by a third to 163,000

:21:14. > :21:15.migration fell by a third to 163,000 migration fell by a third to 163,000

:21:15. > :21:16.to the 12 months in June. The to the 12 months in June. The

:21:16. > :21:17.to the 12 months in June. The Government has pledged to reduce

:21:17. > :21:18.Government has pledged to reduce Government has pledged to reduce

:21:18. > :21:19.Government has pledged to reduce that to the tens of thousands by

:21:19. > :21:20.that to the tens of thousands by that to the tens of thousands by

:21:20. > :21:23.2015 and showed its immigration 2015 and showed its immigration

:21:23. > :21:26.2015 and showed its immigration policy is working. The figures show

:21:26. > :21:28.policy is working. The figures show policy is working. The figures show

:21:28. > :21:31.a significant decrease from people a significant decrease from people

:21:31. > :21:34.arriving from the Commonwealth arriving from the Commonwealth

:21:34. > :21:37.countries, such as Bangladesh, countries, such as Bangladesh,

:21:37. > :21:38.Pakistan, India, Botswana and Pakistan, India, Botswana and

:21:38. > :21:39.Pakistan, India, Botswana and elsewhere. We are joined by Mark

:21:39. > :21:40.elsewhere. We are joined by Mark elsewhere. We are joined by Mark

:21:40. > :21:45.Harper. Why have the numbers come Harper. Why have the numbers come

:21:45. > :21:46.Harper. Why have the numbers come down so dramatically? They are

:21:46. > :21:50.down so dramatically? They are basically reflecting the policy

:21:50. > :21:51.basically reflecting the policy basically reflecting the policy

:21:51. > :21:53.changes we have made. The overall changes we have made. The overall

:21:53. > :21:54.changes we have made. The overall changes we have made. The overall

:21:54. > :21:55.number of students is down while we number of students is down while we

:21:55. > :21:56.have protected our university have protected our university

:21:56. > :21:57.have protected our university have protected our university

:21:57. > :21:58.places, so the number of those is up places, so the number of those is up

:21:58. > :21:59.places, so the number of those is up places, so the number of those is up

:21:59. > :22:00.by 3%. We have seen fewer people by 3%. We have seen fewer people

:22:00. > :22:02.by 3%. We have seen fewer people by 3%. We have seen fewer people

:22:02. > :22:03.coming to do unskilled work but more coming to do unskilled work but more

:22:03. > :22:04.coming to do unskilled work but more coming to do unskilled work but more

:22:04. > :22:06.people coming to do skilled work, so people coming to do skilled work, so

:22:06. > :22:06.people coming to do skilled work, so bringing in benefit to the country,

:22:07. > :22:08.bringing in benefit to the country, bringing in benefit to the country,

:22:08. > :22:09.and a reduction in people applying and a reduction in people applying

:22:09. > :22:10.and a reduction in people applying and a reduction in people applying

:22:10. > :22:11.for family visas. So we are getting for family visas. So we are getting

:22:11. > :22:12.for family visas. So we are getting a more selective system, so fewer

:22:12. > :22:14.a more selective system, so fewer a more selective system, so fewer

:22:14. > :22:16.people overall but the right people people overall but the right people

:22:16. > :22:17.people overall but the right people coming to add youngster the country.

:22:17. > :22:18.coming to add youngster the country. coming to add youngster the country.

:22:18. > :22:18.The best and the brightest from The best and the brightest from

:22:18. > :22:24.The best and the brightest from around the world, as the Prime

:22:24. > :22:28.around the world, as the Prime around the world, as the Prime

:22:28. > :22:31.Minister said recently. But the Minister said recently. But the

:22:31. > :22:32.Minister said recently. But the Prime Minister said Britain was open

:22:33. > :22:33.Prime Minister said Britain was open Prime Minister said Britain was open

:22:33. > :22:34.for business. What is the change for business. What is the change

:22:34. > :22:36.for business. What is the change that means we are getting those

:22:36. > :22:40.that means we are getting those that means we are getting those

:22:40. > :22:41.skilled people without the unskilled skilled people without the unskilled

:22:41. > :22:44.skilled people without the unskilled ones? We have very good performance

:22:44. > :22:45.ones? We have very good performance ones? We have very good performance

:22:45. > :22:46.for people coming on business and for people coming on business and

:22:46. > :22:47.for people coming on business and tourism visits. We have a good

:22:47. > :22:48.tourism visits. We have a good tourism visits. We have a good

:22:48. > :22:49.system with company transfers, which system with company transfers, which

:22:49. > :22:50.system with company transfers, which is where companies can use their

:22:51. > :22:51.is where companies can use their is where companies can use their

:22:51. > :22:52.employees around the world. Many employees around the world. Many

:22:52. > :22:53.employees around the world. Many employees around the world. Many

:22:53. > :22:54.have said it is the best system in have said it is the best system in

:22:54. > :22:57.have said it is the best system in have said it is the best system in

:22:57. > :22:58.the world. And many are coming for the world. And many are coming for

:22:58. > :22:59.the world. And many are coming for skilled work and we aren't anywhere

:22:59. > :23:00.skilled work and we aren't anywhere skilled work and we aren't anywhere

:23:00. > :23:01.skilled work and we aren't anywhere near a on that so there hasn't been

:23:01. > :23:02.near a on that so there hasn't been near a on that so there hasn't been

:23:02. > :23:06.anybody prevented coming here to do anybody prevented coming here to do

:23:06. > :23:06.anybody prevented coming here to do skilled work the United Kingdom.

:23:06. > :23:07.skilled work the United Kingdom. skilled work the United Kingdom.

:23:07. > :23:08.skilled work the United Kingdom. is not getting in now who was

:23:08. > :23:09.is not getting in now who was is not getting in now who was

:23:09. > :23:10.is not getting in now who was getting in a couple of years ago?

:23:10. > :23:14.getting in a couple of years ago? getting in a couple of years ago?

:23:14. > :23:15.getting in a couple of years ago? Who is being turned away? One of the

:23:15. > :23:16.Who is being turned away? One of the Who is being turned away? One of the

:23:16. > :23:17.big reductions is people coming in big reductions is people coming in

:23:17. > :23:18.big reductions is people coming in through the student route who aren't

:23:18. > :23:19.through the student route who aren't through the student route who aren't

:23:19. > :23:21.through the student route who aren't students. So people come in a couple

:23:21. > :23:22.students. So people come in a couple students. So people come in a couple

:23:22. > :23:24.of years ago either coming to of years ago either coming to

:23:24. > :23:25.of years ago either coming to institutions to ostensibly study but

:23:25. > :23:26.institutions to ostensibly study but institutions to ostensibly study but

:23:26. > :23:26.they weren't studying. They were they weren't studying. They were

:23:26. > :23:27.they weren't studying. They were they weren't studying. They were

:23:27. > :23:28.they weren't studying. They were coming as a way to work and we have

:23:28. > :23:28.coming as a way to work and we have coming as a way to work and we have

:23:29. > :23:30.coming as a way to work and we have rooted out that abuse, which is why

:23:30. > :23:32.rooted out that abuse, which is why rooted out that abuse, which is why

:23:32. > :23:33.we have seen the overall student we have seen the overall student

:23:33. > :23:33.we have seen the overall student numbers fall while universities are

:23:33. > :23:36.numbers fall while universities are still seeing more international

:23:36. > :23:37.still seeing more international still seeing more international

:23:37. > :23:39.students. The second is those students. The second is those

:23:39. > :23:41.students. The second is those staying after their studies. We now

:23:41. > :23:41.staying after their studies. We now staying after their studies. We now

:23:41. > :23:42.staying after their studies. We now say if you are a university student

:23:42. > :23:43.say if you are a university student say if you are a university student

:23:43. > :23:44.say if you are a university student you can stay to take a graduate

:23:44. > :23:45.you can stay to take a graduate you can stay to take a graduate

:23:45. > :23:46.level drop pay more than �20,000. level drop pay more than �20,000.

:23:46. > :23:47.level drop pay more than �20,000. level drop pay more than �20,000.

:23:47. > :23:48.What was happening a few years ago What was happening a few years ago

:23:48. > :23:49.What was happening a few years ago was that many people were staying

:23:49. > :23:51.was that many people were staying was that many people were staying

:23:51. > :23:51.and they were only getting unskilled and they were only getting unskilled

:23:51. > :23:53.and they were only getting unskilled work. They were going on benefits.

:23:53. > :23:54.work. They were going on benefits. work. They were going on benefits.

:23:55. > :23:55.work. They were going on benefits. We have stop that so it is fewer

:23:55. > :23:58.We have stop that so it is fewer We have stop that so it is fewer

:23:58. > :23:59.people overall but the right people. people overall but the right people.

:23:59. > :24:00.people overall but the right people. people overall but the right people.

:24:00. > :24:01.Except a think tank has said this Except a think tank has said this

:24:01. > :24:03.Except a think tank has said this morning that the reduction today is

:24:03. > :24:03.morning that the reduction today is morning that the reduction today is

:24:03. > :24:04.due to falling numbers of due to falling numbers of

:24:04. > :24:06.international students which will international students which will

:24:06. > :24:07.international students which will international students which will

:24:07. > :24:07.only have a short-term effect on net only have a short-term effect on net

:24:07. > :24:11.only have a short-term effect on net migration, so actually the figures

:24:11. > :24:12.migration, so actually the figures migration, so actually the figures

:24:12. > :24:13.migration, so actually the figures will go back up. Well, no, if you

:24:13. > :24:15.will go back up. Well, no, if you will go back up. Well, no, if you

:24:15. > :24:16.look at the figures they publish, look at the figures they publish,

:24:16. > :24:17.look at the figures they publish, those longer ago than our up-to-date

:24:17. > :24:18.those longer ago than our up-to-date those longer ago than our up-to-date

:24:18. > :24:21.Visa statistics. And they say the Visa statistics. And they say the

:24:21. > :24:22.Visa statistics. And they say the number of visas we are granting,

:24:22. > :24:23.number of visas we are granting, number of visas we are granting,

:24:23. > :24:25.which show the statistics of which show the statistics of

:24:25. > :24:26.which show the statistics of migrants, are continuing to fall, so

:24:26. > :24:27.migrants, are continuing to fall, so migrants, are continuing to fall, so

:24:27. > :24:28.the direction of travel is still the direction of travel is still

:24:28. > :24:30.the direction of travel is still heading towards us being able to

:24:30. > :24:30.heading towards us being able to heading towards us being able to

:24:30. > :24:31.fulfil our promise of getting net fulfil our promise of getting net

:24:31. > :24:33.fulfil our promise of getting net migration down towards the tens of

:24:33. > :24:34.migration down towards the tens of migration down towards the tens of

:24:34. > :24:38.thousands by the election. Can you thousands by the election. Can you

:24:38. > :24:41.thousands by the election. Can you thousands by the election. Can you

:24:41. > :24:42.guarantee you will hit that? We have guarantee you will hit that? We have

:24:42. > :24:43.guarantee you will hit that? We have guarantee you will hit that? We have

:24:43. > :24:44.reduced the total, two years in, by reduced the total, two years in, by

:24:44. > :24:44.reduced the total, two years in, by reduced the total, two years in, by

:24:44. > :24:46.a third, and we have three more a third, and we have three more

:24:46. > :24:47.a third, and we have three more a third, and we have three more

:24:47. > :24:52.years of the Parliament to go, so we years of the Parliament to go, so we

:24:52. > :24:53.years of the Parliament to go, so we are absolutely on track. You have

:24:53. > :24:54.are absolutely on track. You have are absolutely on track. You have

:24:54. > :24:56.talked about the figures you can talked about the figures you can

:24:56. > :24:57.talked about the figures you can talked about the figures you can

:24:57. > :24:58.affect but people talk about it the affect but people talk about it the

:24:58. > :24:59.affect but people talk about it the fact that the majority of people

:24:59. > :25:03.fact that the majority of people fact that the majority of people

:25:03. > :25:05.coming in from other EU countries. coming in from other EU countries.

:25:05. > :25:05.coming in from other EU countries. coming in from other EU countries.

:25:06. > :25:06.That is not true. 55% of people That is not true. 55% of people

:25:07. > :25:08.That is not true. 55% of people coming to this country are coming

:25:08. > :25:08.coming to this country are coming coming to this country are coming

:25:09. > :25:09.coming to this country are coming from outside the EU, where we have

:25:09. > :25:11.from outside the EU, where we have from outside the EU, where we have

:25:11. > :25:12.complete control over whether we let complete control over whether we let

:25:12. > :25:15.complete control over whether we let complete control over whether we let

:25:15. > :25:16.them in. 30% are coming from the them in. 30% are coming from the

:25:16. > :25:20.them in. 30% are coming from the EU... Have those numbers come down

:25:20. > :25:22.EU... Have those numbers come down EU... Have those numbers come down

:25:22. > :25:23.as well? Well, those numbers are as well? Well, those numbers are

:25:23. > :25:25.as well? Well, those numbers are flat and some Brits returning from

:25:25. > :25:26.flat and some Brits returning from flat and some Brits returning from

:25:26. > :25:27.flat and some Brits returning from abroad. The EU number is both only a

:25:27. > :25:28.abroad. The EU number is both only a abroad. The EU number is both only a

:25:28. > :25:29.third and it's actually fairly third and it's actually fairly

:25:29. > :25:30.third and it's actually fairly third and it's actually fairly

:25:30. > :25:34.stable. It is balanced out by the stable. It is balanced out by the

:25:34. > :25:40.stable. It is balanced out by the number of British people leaving.

:25:40. > :25:41.number of British people leaving. number of British people leaving.

:25:41. > :25:43.Cynics might argue more people from Cynics might argue more people from

:25:43. > :25:43.Cynics might argue more people from Cynics might argue more people from

:25:43. > :25:44.places like Poland are now going to places like Poland are now going to

:25:44. > :25:50.places like Poland are now going to Germany because the economy is flat

:25:50. > :25:52.Germany because the economy is flat Germany because the economy is flat

:25:52. > :25:52.Germany because the economy is flat here now. Well, I think Labour let

:25:52. > :25:53.here now. Well, I think Labour let here now. Well, I think Labour let

:25:53. > :25:55.the Eastern European migration get the Eastern European migration get

:25:55. > :25:57.the Eastern European migration get out of control, even during their

:25:57. > :25:57.out of control, even during their out of control, even during their

:25:57. > :25:58.time of office, when 80% of time of office, when 80% of

:25:58. > :26:00.time of office, when 80% of migration wizard from outside the

:26:00. > :26:00.migration wizard from outside the migration wizard from outside the

:26:01. > :26:01.migration wizard from outside the EU, which is when we had complete

:26:01. > :26:02.EU, which is when we had complete EU, which is when we had complete

:26:02. > :26:03.EU, which is when we had complete control as long as we have firm

:26:03. > :26:06.control as long as we have firm control as long as we have firm

:26:07. > :26:12.control as long as we have firm policies like the ones we set out.

:26:12. > :26:17.policies like the ones we set out. policies like the ones we set out.

:26:17. > :26:17.-- migration was from. Do you -- migration was from. Do you

:26:17. > :26:22.-- migration was from. Do you support this? Are there any

:26:22. > :26:25.support this? Are there any support this? Are there any

:26:25. > :26:31.corresponding figures that show the corresponding figures that show the

:26:31. > :26:32.corresponding figures that show the numbers and the draining resources?

:26:32. > :26:34.numbers and the draining resources? numbers and the draining resources?

:26:34. > :26:35.Well, last week the interesting Well, last week the interesting

:26:35. > :26:38.Well, last week the interesting thing about the numbers produced

:26:38. > :26:41.thing about the numbers produced thing about the numbers produced

:26:41. > :26:41.showed that 90% of British citizens. showed that 90% of British citizens.

:26:41. > :26:44.showed that 90% of British citizens. showed that 90% of British citizens.

:26:44. > :26:44.Where we saw quite a lot of people Where we saw quite a lot of people

:26:45. > :26:46.Where we saw quite a lot of people getting into work previously who

:26:46. > :26:46.getting into work previously who getting into work previously who

:26:47. > :26:47.were British citizens, more of the were British citizens, more of the

:26:48. > :26:48.were British citizens, more of the were British citizens, more of the

:26:48. > :26:50.job is now being created in Britain job is now being created in Britain

:26:50. > :26:50.job is now being created in Britain job is now being created in Britain

:26:51. > :26:52.and new people going into work are and new people going into work are

:26:52. > :26:53.and new people going into work are British citizens, so I think the

:26:53. > :26:55.British citizens, so I think the British citizens, so I think the

:26:55. > :26:56.changes we're making in the benefit changes we're making in the benefit

:26:56. > :26:57.system combined with migration system combined with migration

:26:57. > :27:00.system combined with migration policies are giving British people

:27:00. > :27:00.policies are giving British people policies are giving British people

:27:01. > :27:01.more of an opportunity. more of an opportunity.

:27:01. > :27:03.more of an opportunity. personally I don't see anything

:27:03. > :27:04.personally I don't see anything personally I don't see anything

:27:04. > :27:06.wrong with a good, fair, democratic wrong with a good, fair, democratic

:27:06. > :27:06.wrong with a good, fair, democratic wrong with a good, fair, democratic

:27:07. > :27:07.filter. I want to make sure we get filter. I want to make sure we get

:27:08. > :27:08.filter. I want to make sure we get the right people coming to the

:27:09. > :27:09.the right people coming to the country because obviously

:27:10. > :27:13.country because obviously country because obviously

:27:13. > :27:13.immigration is crucial to any immigration is crucial to any

:27:13. > :27:14.immigration is crucial to any country, especially a one developing

:27:14. > :27:15.country, especially a one developing country, especially a one developing

:27:15. > :27:17.country, especially a one developing country, especially a one developing

:27:17. > :27:18.like ours. But it has to be a good like ours. But it has to be a good

:27:18. > :27:19.like ours. But it has to be a good thing. But will it change with

:27:19. > :27:21.thing. But will it change with thing. But will it change with

:27:21. > :27:22.Bulgaria and Rumania towards the end Bulgaria and Rumania towards the end

:27:22. > :27:25.Bulgaria and Rumania towards the end of the year? We won't expected

:27:25. > :27:26.of the year? We won't expected of the year? We won't expected

:27:27. > :27:28.forecasts. Because we heard from forecasts. Because we heard from

:27:28. > :27:28.forecasts. Because we heard from forecasts. Because we heard from

:27:28. > :27:31.Michael has time who said, it is Michael has time who said, it is

:27:31. > :27:32.Michael has time who said, it is pointless because you can't tell.

:27:32. > :27:34.pointless because you can't tell. pointless because you can't tell.

:27:34. > :27:35.Yes, exactly. We are looking across Yes, exactly. We are looking across

:27:35. > :27:36.Yes, exactly. We are looking across government in a committee I am

:27:36. > :27:39.government in a committee I am government in a committee I am

:27:39. > :27:39.chairing at all the access to chairing at all the access to

:27:39. > :27:42.chairing at all the access to benefits... Where are you getting

:27:42. > :27:43.benefits... Where are you getting benefits... Where are you getting

:27:43. > :27:45.benefits... Where are you getting that? Because it still seems you can

:27:45. > :27:46.that? Because it still seems you can that? Because it still seems you can

:27:46. > :27:47.get those immediately. We look at get those immediately. We look at

:27:47. > :27:47.get those immediately. We look at what we offer competitive other

:27:47. > :27:48.what we offer competitive other what we offer competitive other

:27:48. > :27:49.what we offer competitive other people and that we are not a soft

:27:49. > :27:50.people and that we are not a soft people and that we are not a soft

:27:51. > :27:52.touch, and the Prime Minister said touch, and the Prime Minister said

:27:52. > :27:53.touch, and the Prime Minister said that again yesterday. So that work

:27:53. > :27:53.that again yesterday. So that work that again yesterday. So that work

:27:53. > :27:55.that again yesterday. So that work is underway, putting a lot of work

:27:55. > :27:56.is underway, putting a lot of work is underway, putting a lot of work

:27:56. > :28:01.across government. You have the across government. You have the

:28:01. > :28:01.across government. You have the across government. You have the

:28:01. > :28:02.Secretary of State for health say he Secretary of State for health say he

:28:02. > :28:03.Secretary of State for health say he Secretary of State for health say he

:28:03. > :28:08.was looking at things as well this was looking at things as well this

:28:08. > :28:08.was looking at things as well this was looking at things as well this

:28:08. > :28:13.week, making sure we cannot -- do week, making sure we cannot -- do

:28:13. > :28:14.week, making sure we cannot -- do not get health tourists. What can

:28:14. > :28:16.not get health tourists. What can not get health tourists. What can

:28:16. > :28:16.not get health tourists. What can you do on health benefits? You say

:28:17. > :28:17.you do on health benefits? You say you do on health benefits? You say

:28:17. > :28:21.you do on health benefits? You say that you have to give what you have

:28:21. > :28:23.that you have to give what you have that you have to give what you have

:28:23. > :28:25.to give. There are other countries to give. There are other countries

:28:25. > :28:28.to give. There are other countries with concerns about free movement so

:28:28. > :28:29.with concerns about free movement so with concerns about free movement so

:28:29. > :28:30.with concerns about free movement so we have an action plan and other

:28:30. > :28:30.we have an action plan and other we have an action plan and other

:28:30. > :28:31.countries who are concerned about countries who are concerned about

:28:31. > :28:32.countries who are concerned about countries who are concerned about

:28:32. > :28:33.that. When we have things to say we that. When we have things to say we

:28:33. > :28:34.that. When we have things to say we will save them to Parliament first

:28:34. > :28:34.will save them to Parliament first will save them to Parliament first

:28:34. > :28:35.will save them to Parliament first and then I will be delighted to come

:28:35. > :28:39.and then I will be delighted to come and then I will be delighted to come

:28:39. > :28:40.and then I will be delighted to come on your program and say them to you.

:28:40. > :28:41.on your program and say them to you. on your program and say them to you.

:28:41. > :28:43.on your program and say them to you. That is most kind of you, but you

:28:43. > :28:44.That is most kind of you, but you That is most kind of you, but you

:28:44. > :28:45.That is most kind of you, but you won't be able to change the basics,

:28:45. > :28:48.won't be able to change the basics, won't be able to change the basics,

:28:48. > :28:49.won't be able to change the basics, the statute written into the EU?

:28:50. > :28:50.the statute written into the EU? the statute written into the EU?

:28:50. > :28:52.the statute written into the EU? are doing that work at the moment,

:28:52. > :28:53.are doing that work at the moment, are doing that work at the moment,

:28:53. > :28:55.looking at how we compare to looking at how we compare to

:28:55. > :28:56.looking at how we compare to European partners and making sure we

:28:56. > :28:57.European partners and making sure we European partners and making sure we

:28:57. > :28:58.are tougher and more restrictive so are tougher and more restrictive so

:28:58. > :29:00.are tougher and more restrictive so are tougher and more restrictive so

:29:00. > :29:01.people come here to work and to people come here to work and to

:29:01. > :29:06.people come here to work and to contribute. They don't come here to

:29:06. > :29:09.contribute. They don't come here to contribute. They don't come here to

:29:09. > :29:10.take. What is your feeling about take. What is your feeling about

:29:10. > :29:12.take. What is your feeling about migrants coming from Romania and

:29:12. > :29:18.migrants coming from Romania and migrants coming from Romania and

:29:18. > :29:19.migrants coming from Romania and Bulgaria? Is it a concern? I don't

:29:19. > :29:19.Bulgaria? Is it a concern? I don't Bulgaria? Is it a concern? I don't

:29:20. > :29:21.think it matters where people are think it matters where people are

:29:21. > :29:21.think it matters where people are think it matters where people are

:29:21. > :29:22.coming from but it is a slippery coming from but it is a slippery

:29:22. > :29:24.coming from but it is a slippery slope. The question is, are they

:29:24. > :29:25.slope. The question is, are they slope. The question is, are they

:29:25. > :29:26.slope. The question is, are they welcome, do they fit in? Do they

:29:27. > :29:29.welcome, do they fit in? Do they have something to contribute,

:29:29. > :29:29.have something to contribute, have something to contribute,

:29:29. > :29:30.have something to contribute, whether it is the education and the

:29:30. > :29:31.whether it is the education and the whether it is the education and the

:29:31. > :29:31.whether it is the education and the workplace. I don't really care if a

:29:31. > :29:36.workplace. I don't really care if a workplace. I don't really care if a

:29:36. > :29:37.percentage comes from Bulgaria or percentage comes from Bulgaria or

:29:37. > :29:38.percentage comes from Bulgaria or anywhere else. Thank you. We look

:29:38. > :29:38.anywhere else. Thank you. We look anywhere else. Thank you. We look

:29:38. > :29:39.anywhere else. Thank you. We look forward to you coming back when you

:29:39. > :29:45.forward to you coming back when you forward to you coming back when you

:29:45. > :29:47.have something to say about the benefits system.

:29:47. > :29:48.benefits system. benefits system.

:29:48. > :29:49.When you think of motorway service When you think of motorway service

:29:49. > :29:51.When you think of motorway service stations, what you think of? Soggy

:29:51. > :29:53.stations, what you think of? Soggy stations, what you think of? Soggy

:29:53. > :29:58.chips, queues at the toilets, chips, queues at the toilets,

:29:58. > :30:00.chips, queues at the toilets, constant" are we there yet?". Will

:30:00. > :30:00.constant" are we there yet?". Will constant" are we there yet?". Will

:30:00. > :30:02.it be a every second interchange it be a every second interchange

:30:02. > :30:03.it be a every second interchange with the changes proposed to them.

:30:03. > :30:03.with the changes proposed to them. with the changes proposed to them.

:30:04. > :30:13.with the changes proposed to them. We took to the road to find out

:30:14. > :30:16.

:30:16. > :30:16.We are going to peek under the We are going to peek under the

:30:16. > :30:19.We are going to peek under the bonnet of motorway service station

:30:19. > :30:20.bonnet of motorway service station bonnet of motorway service station

:30:20. > :30:21.regulation. They are obliged to be regulation. They are obliged to be

:30:21. > :30:22.regulation. They are obliged to be regulation. They are obliged to be

:30:22. > :30:22.open 24 hours a day, every single open 24 hours a day, every single

:30:22. > :30:25.open 24 hours a day, every single day of the year, including

:30:25. > :30:26.day of the year, including day of the year, including

:30:26. > :30:28.Christmas. They have to offer two Christmas. They have to offer two

:30:28. > :30:28.Christmas. They have to offer two hours of free parking. To be

:30:28. > :30:30.hours of free parking. To be hours of free parking. To be

:30:30. > :30:31.eligible for a road sign saying eligible for a road sign saying

:30:31. > :30:32.eligible for a road sign saying eligible for a road sign saying

:30:32. > :30:33.you've got a picnic area, you have you've got a picnic area, you have

:30:33. > :30:36.you've got a picnic area, you have to have 10 tables seating six

:30:36. > :30:37.to have 10 tables seating six to have 10 tables seating six

:30:37. > :30:38.people each. The maximum size of people each. The maximum size of

:30:38. > :30:41.people each. The maximum size of the retail area is 500 square

:30:41. > :30:42.the retail area is 500 square the retail area is 500 square

:30:42. > :30:42.the retail area is 500 square metres. If you have a bridge over

:30:42. > :30:43.metres. If you have a bridge over metres. If you have a bridge over

:30:43. > :30:45.metres. If you have a bridge over the motorway, you can't have a shop

:30:45. > :30:45.the motorway, you can't have a shop the motorway, you can't have a shop

:30:45. > :30:48.the motorway, you can't have a shop on it. And the toilets have to be

:30:48. > :30:49.on it. And the toilets have to be on it. And the toilets have to be

:30:49. > :30:50.free. David has quite literally free. David has quite literally

:30:50. > :30:51.free. David has quite literally free. David has quite literally

:30:51. > :30:52.written the book on the subject. He written the book on the subject. He

:30:52. > :30:53.written the book on the subject. He written the book on the subject. He

:30:53. > :30:54.says some of the rules date back to says some of the rules date back to

:30:54. > :30:57.says some of the rules date back to the building of the very first

:30:57. > :30:58.the building of the very first the building of the very first

:30:58. > :31:00.service stations, which came in the service stations, which came in the

:31:00. > :31:04.service stations, which came in the 1950s and Sixties. The regulations

:31:04. > :31:05.1950s and Sixties. The regulations 1950s and Sixties. The regulations

:31:05. > :31:06.for areas are for refreshing and for areas are for refreshing and

:31:06. > :31:07.for areas are for refreshing and refuelling but not to become

:31:07. > :31:09.refuelling but not to become refuelling but not to become

:31:09. > :31:10.destinations in their own right. destinations in their own right.

:31:10. > :31:11.destinations in their own right. destinations in their own right.

:31:11. > :31:12.There would not be tailbacks on the There would not be tailbacks on the

:31:12. > :31:14.There would not be tailbacks on the motorway for people queuing up to

:31:14. > :31:15.motorway for people queuing up to motorway for people queuing up to

:31:15. > :31:16.motorway for people queuing up to visit the services. Now a load of

:31:16. > :31:17.visit the services. Now a load of regulations regarding building by

:31:17. > :31:18.regulations regarding building by regulations regarding building by

:31:18. > :31:19.regulations regarding building by the side of the motorway are under

:31:19. > :31:20.the side of the motorway are under the side of the motorway are under

:31:20. > :31:21.review as the government seeks to review as the government seeks to

:31:21. > :31:24.review as the government seeks to turn the road network into an

:31:24. > :31:25.turn the road network into an turn the road network into an

:31:25. > :31:26.engine of economic growth. The engine of economic growth. The

:31:26. > :31:27.engine of economic growth. The Department for Transport is looking

:31:27. > :31:27.Department for Transport is looking Department for Transport is looking

:31:27. > :31:28.Department for Transport is looking at ripping up the rules which say

:31:28. > :31:30.at ripping up the rules which say at ripping up the rules which say

:31:30. > :31:31.at ripping up the rules which say there has to be a minimum of 12

:31:31. > :31:33.there has to be a minimum of 12 there has to be a minimum of 12

:31:33. > :31:35.miles between each service station. miles between each service station.

:31:35. > :31:36.miles between each service station. miles between each service station.

:31:36. > :31:37.The idea being, more of them will The idea being, more of them will

:31:37. > :31:39.arrive, bringing increased arrive, bringing increased

:31:39. > :31:41.arrive, bringing increased competition and more choice. An

:31:41. > :31:42.competition and more choice. An competition and more choice. An

:31:42. > :31:43.competition and more choice. An competition and more choice. An

:31:43. > :31:44.idea stuck in a bit of a tail back idea stuck in a bit of a tail back

:31:44. > :31:47.idea stuck in a bit of a tail back because John Major first called for

:31:47. > :31:49.because John Major first called for because John Major first called for

:31:49. > :31:50.because John Major first called for it in 1992. Next services, 54 miles,

:31:50. > :31:55.it in 1992. Next services, 54 miles, it in 1992. Next services, 54 miles,

:31:55. > :31:56.when your children can't make 10. when your children can't make 10.

:31:56. > :31:57.when your children can't make 10. when your children can't make 10.

:31:57. > :31:59.They have got to go and so those They have got to go and so those

:31:59. > :32:00.They have got to go and so those They have got to go and so those

:32:00. > :32:02.rules have got to go. It's been rules have got to go. It's been

:32:02. > :32:02.rules have got to go. It's been rules have got to go. It's been

:32:02. > :32:03.applauded by the AA, who reckon it applauded by the AA, who reckon it

:32:03. > :32:04.applauded by the AA, who reckon it may mean more petrol stations which

:32:04. > :32:05.may mean more petrol stations which may mean more petrol stations which

:32:05. > :32:07.may mean more petrol stations which could bring down the cost of fuel

:32:07. > :32:08.could bring down the cost of fuel could bring down the cost of fuel

:32:08. > :32:09.on the motorway. But local on the motorway. But local

:32:09. > :32:10.on the motorway. But local authorities will still have the

:32:10. > :32:12.authorities will still have the authorities will still have the

:32:12. > :32:13.power to refuse planning permission. power to refuse planning permission.

:32:13. > :32:14.power to refuse planning permission. Something the owners of this place

:32:14. > :32:16.Something the owners of this place Something the owners of this place

:32:16. > :32:17.Something the owners of this place know all about because it took 19

:32:17. > :32:18.know all about because it took 19 know all about because it took 19

:32:18. > :32:19.years and five public inquiries years and five public inquiries

:32:19. > :32:21.years and five public inquiries before it opened for business.

:32:21. > :32:24.before it opened for business. before it opened for business.

:32:24. > :32:25.Don't worry, the toilets will still Don't worry, the toilets will still

:32:25. > :32:27.Don't worry, the toilets will still be free. I'm hugely relieved about

:32:27. > :32:27.be free. I'm hugely relieved about be free. I'm hugely relieved about

:32:27. > :32:29.be free. I'm hugely relieved about that. And we're joined now by Chris

:32:29. > :32:31.that. And we're joined now by Chris Goffey, a motoring journalist.

:32:31. > :32:33.Goffey, a motoring journalist. Goffey, a motoring journalist.

:32:33. > :32:36.Welcome. Do we need more service Welcome. Do we need more service

:32:36. > :32:37.Welcome. Do we need more service stations? I think so. In France,

:32:37. > :32:38.stations? I think so. In France, stations? I think so. In France,

:32:38. > :32:40.while the major service stations while the major service stations

:32:40. > :32:40.while the major service stations are well spaced, there are little

:32:40. > :32:41.are well spaced, there are little are well spaced, there are little

:32:41. > :32:42.are well spaced, there are little are well spaced, there are little

:32:42. > :32:43.pots now when Ben and you can go to pots now when Ben and you can go to

:32:43. > :32:44.pots now when Ben and you can go to pots now when Ben and you can go to

:32:44. > :32:48.the loo and Parker and eat your the loo and Parker and eat your

:32:48. > :32:49.the loo and Parker and eat your sandwich -- now and then. Those

:32:50. > :32:50.sandwich -- now and then. Those sandwich -- now and then. Those

:32:50. > :32:51.more regular stops are welcome and more regular stops are welcome and

:32:51. > :32:52.more regular stops are welcome and more regular stops are welcome and

:32:52. > :32:55.I would like to see more service I would like to see more service

:32:55. > :32:57.I would like to see more service areas, that's for sure. John major

:32:57. > :32:58.areas, that's for sure. John major areas, that's for sure. John major

:32:58. > :33:01.highlight the problem in 1992. Why highlight the problem in 1992. Why

:33:01. > :33:01.highlight the problem in 1992. Why highlight the problem in 1992. Why

:33:01. > :33:03.has it been so slow? The iron grasp has it been so slow? The iron grasp

:33:03. > :33:04.has it been so slow? The iron grasp of bureaucracy has been on the

:33:04. > :33:06.of bureaucracy has been on the of bureaucracy has been on the

:33:06. > :33:07.motorway service areas and, to be motorway service areas and, to be

:33:07. > :33:09.motorway service areas and, to be motorway service areas and, to be

:33:09. > :33:12.fair, they have done a good job in fair, they have done a good job in

:33:12. > :33:13.fair, they have done a good job in some areas. In the USA, the

:33:13. > :33:15.some areas. In the USA, the some areas. In the USA, the

:33:15. > :33:16.advertising slogans on a huge masts, advertising slogans on a huge masts,

:33:17. > :33:18.advertising slogans on a huge masts, 10 miles before each stop, are

:33:18. > :33:20.10 miles before each stop, are 10 miles before each stop, are

:33:20. > :33:21.absolutely horrendous now. We have absolutely horrendous now. We have

:33:21. > :33:22.absolutely horrendous now. We have absolutely horrendous now. We have

:33:22. > :33:24.avoided all that, and I hope we avoided all that, and I hope we

:33:24. > :33:26.avoided all that, and I hope we will continue to avoid it, however

:33:26. > :33:27.will continue to avoid it, however more stops, obviously more

:33:27. > :33:28.more stops, obviously more more stops, obviously more

:33:28. > :33:30.convenience for the motorist and convenience for the motorist and

:33:30. > :33:30.convenience for the motorist and convenience for the motorist and

:33:30. > :33:31.their families, and I think that is their families, and I think that is

:33:31. > :33:33.their families, and I think that is their families, and I think that is

:33:33. > :33:35.a ballad point about the high cost a ballad point about the high cost

:33:35. > :33:36.a ballad point about the high cost a ballad point about the high cost

:33:36. > :33:37.of fuel. -- a valid point. We are of fuel. -- a valid point. We are

:33:37. > :33:39.of fuel. -- a valid point. We are going to welcome the viewers in

:33:39. > :33:40.going to welcome the viewers in going to welcome the viewers in

:33:40. > :33:50.Scotland to have been watching Scotland to have been watching

:33:50. > :33:51.First Minister's Questions. That First Minister's Questions. That

:33:51. > :33:53.First Minister's Questions. That means, presumably, there will be

:33:53. > :33:53.means, presumably, there will be means, presumably, there will be

:33:53. > :33:54.means, presumably, there will be more than the four providers at the

:33:54. > :33:55.more than the four providers at the more than the four providers at the

:33:55. > :33:56.moment, more people being courage moment, more people being courage

:33:56. > :33:57.moment, more people being courage to enter the market. There does

:33:58. > :33:59.to enter the market. There does to enter the market. There does

:33:59. > :34:01.to enter the market. There does seem to be a stranglehold by the

:34:01. > :34:02.seem to be a stranglehold by the seem to be a stranglehold by the

:34:02. > :34:03.main providers, but if you notice main providers, but if you notice

:34:03. > :34:04.main providers, but if you notice main providers, but if you notice

:34:04. > :34:05.over the last 10 years, Marks and over the last 10 years, Marks and

:34:05. > :34:06.over the last 10 years, Marks and over the last 10 years, Marks and

:34:06. > :34:09.Spencer Shops has come in, and that Spencer Shops has come in, and that

:34:09. > :34:10.Spencer Shops has come in, and that has provided much better quality,

:34:10. > :34:11.has provided much better quality, has provided much better quality,

:34:11. > :34:12.has provided much better quality, if you like of the food on offer

:34:12. > :34:14.if you like of the food on offer if you like of the food on offer

:34:14. > :34:15.if you like of the food on offer you can take away and eat yourself.

:34:15. > :34:17.you can take away and eat yourself. The government issued a

:34:17. > :34:17.The government issued a The government issued a

:34:17. > :34:19.consultation don't forget back in consultation don't forget back in

:34:19. > :34:24.consultation don't forget back in 20th June 12, on lifting the

:34:24. > :34:25.20th June 12, on lifting the 20th June 12, on lifting the

:34:25. > :34:26.regulations on alcohol. If you regulations on alcohol. If you

:34:26. > :34:27.regulations on alcohol. If you trawl through that a very long

:34:27. > :34:30.trawl through that a very long trawl through that a very long

:34:30. > :34:32.document, you will find that they document, you will find that they

:34:32. > :34:35.document, you will find that they project an increase of sales about

:34:35. > :34:36.project an increase of sales about project an increase of sales about

:34:36. > :34:39.�21 million. That wouldn't be a �21 million. That wouldn't be a

:34:39. > :34:40.�21 million. That wouldn't be a very wise idea in service stations.

:34:40. > :34:40.very wise idea in service stations. very wise idea in service stations.

:34:41. > :34:41.The safety people would take great The safety people would take great

:34:41. > :34:43.The safety people would take great The safety people would take great

:34:43. > :34:44.exception to it. To be fair, they exception to it. To be fair, they

:34:44. > :34:47.exception to it. To be fair, they say they would relax the

:34:47. > :34:48.say they would relax the say they would relax the

:34:48. > :34:49.regulations on drinks in motorway regulations on drinks in motorway

:34:50. > :34:53.regulations on drinks in motorway regulations on drinks in motorway

:34:53. > :34:54.hotels and motels. And in the shops. hotels and motels. And in the shops.

:34:55. > :34:55.hotels and motels. And in the shops. But not necessarily serving alcohol

:34:55. > :34:57.But not necessarily serving alcohol But not necessarily serving alcohol

:34:57. > :34:57.over the counter to every football over the counter to every football

:34:57. > :34:59.over the counter to every football over the counter to every football

:34:59. > :35:01.coach that wants to pull into the coach that wants to pull into the

:35:01. > :35:02.motorway services. They actually motorway services. They actually

:35:02. > :35:03.motorway services. They actually serve alcohol in French service

:35:03. > :35:06.serve alcohol in French service serve alcohol in French service

:35:06. > :35:07.serve alcohol in French service areas but you have to have hot food,

:35:07. > :35:08.areas but you have to have hot food, areas but you have to have hot food,

:35:08. > :35:09.areas but you have to have hot food, and they sell it in one small

:35:09. > :35:09.and they sell it in one small and they sell it in one small

:35:09. > :35:10.and they sell it in one small bottle and won't sell more than one

:35:10. > :35:12.bottle and won't sell more than one bottle and won't sell more than one

:35:12. > :35:14.bottle and won't sell more than one and most people have a drink.

:35:14. > :35:15.and most people have a drink. and most people have a drink.

:35:15. > :35:16.forget, the French rules on forget, the French rules on

:35:16. > :35:18.forget, the French rules on drinking and driving are more

:35:18. > :35:18.drinking and driving are more drinking and driving are more

:35:18. > :35:22.stringent than ours. That doesn't stringent than ours. That doesn't

:35:22. > :35:24.stringent than ours. That doesn't seem to matter. What about the

:35:24. > :35:25.seem to matter. What about the seem to matter. What about the

:35:25. > :35:27.worry you might suddenly get great worry you might suddenly get great

:35:27. > :35:28.worry you might suddenly get great shopping malls springing up at the

:35:28. > :35:29.shopping malls springing up at the shopping malls springing up at the

:35:29. > :35:30.side of motorways and you would side of motorways and you would

:35:30. > :35:31.side of motorways and you would side of motorways and you would

:35:31. > :35:32.need better access to get to them need better access to get to them

:35:32. > :35:34.need better access to get to them need better access to get to them

:35:34. > :35:35.if there were lots more of them. A if there were lots more of them. A

:35:35. > :35:35.if there were lots more of them. A if there were lots more of them. A

:35:35. > :35:38.bit more like Euro Disney for that bit more like Euro Disney for that

:35:38. > :35:39.bit more like Euro Disney for that bit more like Euro Disney for that

:35:40. > :35:42.we don't wonder, do we? Actually, I we don't wonder, do we? Actually, I

:35:42. > :35:43.we don't wonder, do we? Actually, I do. Do you? Justified.I'm in

:35:43. > :35:45.do. Do you? Justified.I'm in do. Do you? Justified.I'm in

:35:45. > :35:46.favour of expansion of choice. The favour of expansion of choice. The

:35:46. > :35:48.favour of expansion of choice. The gaps that in the service stations

:35:48. > :35:49.gaps that in the service stations gaps that in the service stations

:35:49. > :35:50.gaps that in the service stations are too wide. I agree about America

:35:50. > :35:51.are too wide. I agree about America are too wide. I agree about America

:35:51. > :35:52.and France, where there is more and France, where there is more

:35:52. > :35:53.and France, where there is more and France, where there is more

:35:53. > :35:54.rest areas. They don't have to be rest areas. They don't have to be

:35:54. > :35:55.rest areas. They don't have to be great big buildings but I think

:35:55. > :35:56.great big buildings but I think great big buildings but I think

:35:56. > :35:58.great big buildings but I think what's wrong with it? It would be

:35:58. > :35:59.what's wrong with it? It would be what's wrong with it? It would be

:35:59. > :36:00.quite fun driving to Cornwall on quite fun driving to Cornwall on

:36:00. > :36:01.quite fun driving to Cornwall on holiday to stop at your service

:36:01. > :36:01.holiday to stop at your service holiday to stop at your service

:36:01. > :36:03.holiday to stop at your service station and to all of your shopping

:36:03. > :36:05.station and to all of your shopping station and to all of your shopping

:36:05. > :36:05.there. You have persuaded me for there. You have persuaded me for

:36:05. > :36:06.there. You have persuaded me for some were directed something more

:36:06. > :36:08.some were directed something more some were directed something more

:36:08. > :36:08.entertaining other side of the entertaining other side of the

:36:09. > :36:11.entertaining other side of the roadway? The absolutely but let's

:36:11. > :36:13.roadway? The absolutely but let's roadway? The absolutely but let's

:36:13. > :36:14.not go for too much advertising. not go for too much advertising.

:36:14. > :36:15.not go for too much advertising. Advertising other side of the

:36:15. > :36:18.Advertising other side of the motorway is very contentious

:36:18. > :36:20.motorway is very contentious because you're distracting drivers

:36:20. > :36:20.because you're distracting drivers because you're distracting drivers

:36:20. > :36:23.because you're distracting drivers I lines and attention for a brief

:36:23. > :36:24.I lines and attention for a brief I lines and attention for a brief

:36:24. > :36:27.couple of seconds. Something Major couple of seconds. Something Major

:36:27. > :36:29.couple of seconds. Something Major could happen. As long as the

:36:29. > :36:30.could happen. As long as the could happen. As long as the

:36:30. > :36:31.control the advertising before them control the advertising before them

:36:31. > :36:32.control the advertising before them control the advertising before them

:36:32. > :36:34.and after them, yes, I would like and after them, yes, I would like

:36:34. > :36:36.and after them, yes, I would like and after them, yes, I would like

:36:36. > :36:37.to see far more. His access a to see far more. His access a

:36:37. > :36:39.to see far more. His access a potential problem, even at sites

:36:39. > :36:40.potential problem, even at sites potential problem, even at sites

:36:40. > :36:42.identified, slip roads on and off? identified, slip roads on and off?

:36:42. > :36:43.identified, slip roads on and off? As long as they make adequate

:36:43. > :36:45.As long as they make adequate As long as they make adequate

:36:45. > :36:48.As long as they make adequate slippers on and off, and also that

:36:48. > :36:48.slippers on and off, and also that slippers on and off, and also that

:36:49. > :36:49.the new service Feria doesn't the new service Feria doesn't

:36:49. > :36:50.the new service Feria doesn't the new service Feria doesn't

:36:50. > :36:57.interact with a rope -- local road interact with a rope -- local road

:36:57. > :36:57.interact with a rope -- local road network -- slip roads don't

:36:57. > :36:59.network -- slip roads don't network -- slip roads don't

:36:59. > :37:00.interfere with local road networks. interfere with local road networks.

:37:00. > :37:01.interfere with local road networks. interfere with local road networks.

:37:01. > :37:03.That would be a problem. As long as That would be a problem. As long as

:37:03. > :37:05.That would be a problem. As long as That would be a problem. As long as

:37:05. > :37:05.they don't do that. What annoys me they don't do that. What annoys me

:37:05. > :37:07.they don't do that. What annoys me is this two our free parking

:37:07. > :37:07.is this two our free parking is this two our free parking

:37:07. > :37:09.is this two our free parking because, if you are very tired at

:37:09. > :37:10.because, if you are very tired at because, if you are very tired at

:37:10. > :37:11.night, heading up north or night, heading up north or

:37:11. > :37:14.night, heading up north or something, and you feel sleepy, and

:37:14. > :37:15.something, and you feel sleepy, and something, and you feel sleepy, and

:37:15. > :37:17.you stop, and sleek, somebody you stop, and sleek, somebody

:37:17. > :37:18.you stop, and sleek, somebody you stop, and sleek, somebody

:37:18. > :37:19.knocks on your window and says, you knocks on your window and says, you

:37:19. > :37:21.knocks on your window and says, you can't stay here for longer than

:37:21. > :37:22.can't stay here for longer than can't stay here for longer than

:37:22. > :37:25.can't stay here for longer than this time period. They put you back

:37:25. > :37:27.this time period. They put you back this time period. They put you back

:37:27. > :37:28.onto the motorway? Yes, which is onto the motorway? Yes, which is

:37:28. > :37:29.onto the motorway? Yes, which is extremely dangerous. I would like

:37:29. > :37:30.extremely dangerous. I would like extremely dangerous. I would like

:37:30. > :37:32.extremely dangerous. I would like to see a free sleeping, if you like

:37:32. > :37:33.to see a free sleeping, if you like to see a free sleeping, if you like

:37:33. > :37:34.between midnight and 6am. At the between midnight and 6am. At the

:37:34. > :37:35.between midnight and 6am. At the between midnight and 6am. At the

:37:35. > :37:37.end of the day, what might get in end of the day, what might get in

:37:37. > :37:42.end of the day, what might get in end of the day, what might get in

:37:42. > :37:43.the way of your new service station, the way of your new service station,

:37:43. > :37:44.the way of your new service station, the local authority will refuse it.

:37:44. > :37:45.the local authority will refuse it. the local authority will refuse it.

:37:45. > :37:46.the local authority will refuse it. Yes, it would have to go through

:37:46. > :37:48.Yes, it would have to go through Yes, it would have to go through

:37:48. > :37:49.planning but, in principle, it's a planning but, in principle, it's a

:37:49. > :37:50.planning but, in principle, it's a terrific idea. If anything could

:37:50. > :37:51.terrific idea. If anything could terrific idea. If anything could

:37:51. > :37:53.improve the quality of service improve the quality of service

:37:53. > :37:56.improve the quality of service station food, that should be

:37:56. > :37:57.station food, that should be station food, that should be

:37:57. > :37:59.cheered loudly. Many TV chefs have cheered loudly. Many TV chefs have

:37:59. > :38:01.cheered loudly. Many TV chefs have been shouting about it for years.

:38:01. > :38:01.been shouting about it for years. been shouting about it for years.

:38:01. > :38:03.Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson

:38:03. > :38:05.Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson will be all over motorway service

:38:05. > :38:09.will be all over motorway service will be all over motorway service

:38:09. > :38:09.stations. Thank you very much. stations. Thank you very much.

:38:10. > :38:10.Yesterday, Environment Secretary Yesterday, Environment Secretary

:38:10. > :38:11.Yesterday, Environment Secretary Owen Paterson turned his attention

:38:11. > :38:12.Owen Paterson turned his attention Owen Paterson turned his attention

:38:12. > :38:13.from horses to culling badgers. from horses to culling badgers.

:38:13. > :38:14.from horses to culling badgers. from horses to culling badgers.

:38:14. > :38:15.from horses to culling badgers. This is what he had to say at the

:38:15. > :38:16.This is what he had to say at the National Farmers Union conference

:38:16. > :38:16.National Farmers Union conference National Farmers Union conference

:38:16. > :38:17.in Birmingham. Research in this in Birmingham. Research in this

:38:17. > :38:19.in Birmingham. Research in this in Birmingham. Research in this

:38:19. > :38:20.country over the past 15 years has country over the past 15 years has

:38:20. > :38:21.country over the past 15 years has clearly demonstrated not only that

:38:22. > :38:23.clearly demonstrated not only that clearly demonstrated not only that

:38:23. > :38:25.cattle and badgers transmit the cattle and badgers transmit the

:38:25. > :38:26.cattle and badgers transmit the disease to each other, but the

:38:26. > :38:26.disease to each other, but the disease to each other, but the

:38:26. > :38:27.disease to each other, but the cunning of badgers can lead to a

:38:27. > :38:29.cunning of badgers can lead to a cunning of badgers can lead to a

:38:29. > :38:31.reduction of the disease in cattle reduction of the disease in cattle

:38:31. > :38:32.reduction of the disease in cattle reduction of the disease in cattle

:38:32. > :38:32.if carried out over a large enough if carried out over a large enough

:38:33. > :38:36.if carried out over a large enough area for a sufficient length of

:38:36. > :38:36.area for a sufficient length of area for a sufficient length of

:38:36. > :38:39.area for a sufficient length of time. We must also learn from the

:38:39. > :38:40.time. We must also learn from the time. We must also learn from the

:38:40. > :38:42.experience of other countries. TB experience of other countries. TB

:38:42. > :38:44.experience of other countries. TB in cattle cannot be controlled

:38:44. > :38:44.in cattle cannot be controlled in cattle cannot be controlled

:38:44. > :38:47.in cattle cannot be controlled without also bearing down on it in

:38:47. > :38:48.without also bearing down on it in the surrounding wildlife population.

:38:48. > :38:49.the surrounding wildlife population. the surrounding wildlife population.

:38:49. > :38:53.the surrounding wildlife population. In the New Zealand, the number of

:38:53. > :38:54.In the New Zealand, the number of In the New Zealand, the number of

:38:54. > :38:55.infected cattle has been reduced infected cattle has been reduced

:38:55. > :38:58.infected cattle has been reduced infected cattle has been reduced

:38:58. > :38:59.from 1,700 in the mid- 1990s to from 1,700 in the mid- 1990s to

:39:00. > :39:01.from 1,700 in the mid- 1990s to from 1,700 in the mid- 1990s to

:39:01. > :39:02.fewer than 120 in 2011. This is the fewer than 120 in 2011. This is the

:39:02. > :39:06.fewer than 120 in 2011. This is the result of rigorous buyers secured,

:39:06. > :39:08.result of rigorous buyers secured, strict cattle controls and

:39:08. > :39:09.strict cattle controls and proactive wildlife management. A

:39:09. > :39:10.proactive wildlife management. A similar approach has been

:39:11. > :39:14.similar approach has been approached in Ireland, Australia

:39:14. > :39:16.approached in Ireland, Australia approached in Ireland, Australia

:39:16. > :39:17.approached in Ireland, Australia and the USA. This is why I'm

:39:17. > :39:18.and the USA. This is why I'm and the USA. This is why I'm

:39:18. > :39:21.committed to ensure the badger committed to ensure the badger

:39:21. > :39:21.committed to ensure the badger culls go-ahead in Somerset and

:39:21. > :39:28.culls go-ahead in Somerset and culls go-ahead in Somerset and

:39:28. > :39:29.Gloucestershire at go ahead this So are plans to begin a pilot for

:39:29. > :39:30.So are plans to begin a pilot for culling badgers necessary? Susana

:39:30. > :39:34.culling badgers necessary? Susana culling badgers necessary? Susana

:39:34. > :39:35.Mendonsa is in central lobby with Mendonsa is in central lobby with

:39:35. > :39:36.Mendonsa is in central lobby with Mendonsa is in central lobby with

:39:36. > :39:38.Mendonsa is in central lobby with two MPs. This seems to be a lot of

:39:38. > :39:39.two MPs. This seems to be a lot of two MPs. This seems to be a lot of

:39:39. > :39:40.confusion over whether or not this confusion over whether or not this

:39:40. > :39:42.confusion over whether or not this pilot is necessary. The government

:39:42. > :39:43.pilot is necessary. The government pilot is necessary. The government

:39:43. > :39:45.is talking about the need to is talking about the need to

:39:45. > :39:47.is talking about the need to introduce this cull to reduce the

:39:47. > :39:48.introduce this cull to reduce the introduce this cull to reduce the

:39:48. > :39:49.spread of bovine TB. Owen Paterson spread of bovine TB. Owen Paterson

:39:49. > :39:50.spread of bovine TB. Owen Paterson spread of bovine TB. Owen Paterson

:39:50. > :39:51.talk about the science but there is talk about the science but there is

:39:51. > :39:52.talk about the science but there is uncertainty about whether it shows

:39:52. > :39:53.uncertainty about whether it shows uncertainty about whether it shows

:39:53. > :39:54.what they wanted to show and what they wanted to show and

:39:54. > :39:55.what they wanted to show and certainly some people think there

:39:55. > :39:56.certainly some people think there certainly some people think there

:39:56. > :39:58.certainly some people think there might even be an increase in the

:39:58. > :39:58.might even be an increase in the might even be an increase in the

:39:58. > :40:01.might even be an increase in the spread of bovine TB and are calling

:40:01. > :40:02.spread of bovine TB and are calling spread of bovine TB and are calling

:40:02. > :40:06.for vaccinations. A couple of MPs for vaccinations. A couple of MPs

:40:06. > :40:11.for vaccinations. A couple of MPs are interested in this. Simon Hart

:40:11. > :40:12.are interested in this. Simon Hart are interested in this. Simon Hart

:40:12. > :40:13.and Caroline Lucas. Simon, Owen and Caroline Lucas. Simon, Owen

:40:13. > :40:14.and Caroline Lucas. Simon, Owen Paterson says this is needed but

:40:14. > :40:15.Paterson says this is needed but Paterson says this is needed but

:40:15. > :40:16.what is the evidence because we what is the evidence because we

:40:17. > :40:18.what is the evidence because we what is the evidence because we

:40:18. > :40:19.know bovine TB can go from cow to know bovine TB can go from cow to

:40:19. > :40:20.know bovine TB can go from cow to know bovine TB can go from cow to

:40:20. > :40:21.cow? There's a lot of evidence. I cow? There's a lot of evidence. I

:40:21. > :40:22.cow? There's a lot of evidence. I don't think any politician would

:40:22. > :40:23.don't think any politician would don't think any politician would

:40:23. > :40:27.don't think any politician would want to do this lightly. Over the

:40:27. > :40:28.want to do this lightly. Over the want to do this lightly. Over the

:40:28. > :40:29.want to do this lightly. Over the years, one held the farm animal has

:40:29. > :40:30.years, one held the farm animal has years, one held the farm animal has

:40:30. > :40:35.been killed every 15 minutes, lots been killed every 15 minutes, lots

:40:35. > :40:37.been killed every 15 minutes, lots of foreign evidence suggests it's a

:40:37. > :40:38.of foreign evidence suggests it's a of foreign evidence suggests it's a

:40:38. > :40:40.pilot cull, but will prove once- pilot cull, but will prove once-

:40:40. > :40:41.pilot cull, but will prove once- and-for-all, whether a wider cull

:40:41. > :40:43.and-for-all, whether a wider cull and-for-all, whether a wider cull

:40:43. > :40:45.is required to cure this dreadful is required to cure this dreadful

:40:45. > :40:45.is required to cure this dreadful is required to cure this dreadful

:40:45. > :40:48.disease. He tabled a motion to stop disease. He tabled a motion to stop

:40:48. > :40:49.disease. He tabled a motion to stop the cull in the autumn. People

:40:49. > :40:50.the cull in the autumn. People the cull in the autumn. People

:40:50. > :40:51.the cull in the autumn. People would say this is a serious problem

:40:51. > :40:53.would say this is a serious problem would say this is a serious problem

:40:53. > :40:54.would say this is a serious problem which costs farmers a lot of money,

:40:54. > :40:55.which costs farmers a lot of money, which costs farmers a lot of money,

:40:55. > :40:56.which costs farmers a lot of money, �500 million in the last 10 years,

:40:56. > :40:57.�500 million in the last 10 years, �500 million in the last 10 years,

:40:57. > :41:00.social and the government do social and the government do

:41:00. > :41:00.social and the government do something about it? Yes, but the

:41:00. > :41:01.something about it? Yes, but the something about it? Yes, but the

:41:01. > :41:02.issue is precisely because it's issue is precisely because it's

:41:02. > :41:05.issue is precisely because it's issue is precisely because it's

:41:05. > :41:07.important they have to do the right important they have to do the right

:41:07. > :41:08.important they have to do the right thing. The point is, the majority

:41:08. > :41:09.thing. The point is, the majority thing. The point is, the majority

:41:09. > :41:11.thing. The point is, the majority of people who voted against it, we

:41:11. > :41:12.of people who voted against it, we of people who voted against it, we

:41:12. > :41:14.would like to see an alternative would like to see an alternative

:41:14. > :41:15.would like to see an alternative based on vaccination because we

:41:15. > :41:17.based on vaccination because we based on vaccination because we

:41:17. > :41:18.believe the vast majority of believe the vast majority of

:41:18. > :41:19.scientific evidence demonstrates a scientific evidence demonstrates a

:41:19. > :41:20.scientific evidence demonstrates a cull is not effective. The biggest

:41:20. > :41:23.cull is not effective. The biggest cull is not effective. The biggest

:41:23. > :41:24.cull is not effective. The biggest pilot of that kind of approach, it

:41:24. > :41:25.pilot of that kind of approach, it pilot of that kind of approach, it

:41:26. > :41:26.took 10 years, cost �50 million, took 10 years, cost �50 million,

:41:26. > :41:28.took 10 years, cost �50 million, took 10 years, cost �50 million,

:41:28. > :41:30.and it showed the cull was not an and it showed the cull was not an

:41:30. > :41:31.effective way forward. Because effective way forward. Because

:41:31. > :41:31.effective way forward. Because effective way forward. Because

:41:31. > :41:33.science is not behind this, we want science is not behind this, we want

:41:33. > :41:36.science is not behind this, we want to do something like the initiative

:41:36. > :41:37.to do something like the initiative to do something like the initiative

:41:37. > :41:41.backed by the RSPCA, badger backed by the RSPCA, badger

:41:41. > :41:41.backed by the RSPCA, badger backed by the RSPCA, badger

:41:41. > :41:43.vaccination. It is ready to go. It vaccination. It is ready to go. It

:41:43. > :41:43.vaccination. It is ready to go. It vaccination. It is ready to go. It

:41:43. > :41:45.could be as effective as the cull could be as effective as the cull

:41:45. > :41:47.could be as effective as the cull could be as effective as the cull

:41:47. > :41:51.and cost lower. Why not try this? and cost lower. Why not try this?

:41:51. > :41:52.and cost lower. Why not try this? We would love to do vaccination.

:41:52. > :41:53.We would love to do vaccination. We would love to do vaccination.

:41:53. > :41:55.The European Parliament only this The European Parliament only this

:41:55. > :41:57.The European Parliament only this The European Parliament only this

:41:57. > :41:59.week has said it will be 10 years... week has said it will be 10 years...

:41:59. > :42:00.week has said it will be 10 years... Simon, there's a difference between

:42:00. > :42:04.Simon, there's a difference between Simon, there's a difference between

:42:04. > :42:05.a couple vaccination and Bagehot a couple vaccination and Bagehot

:42:05. > :42:11.vaccination. -- cattle vaccination vaccination. -- cattle vaccination

:42:11. > :42:12.and Badger vaccination. Absolutely. and Badger vaccination. Absolutely.

:42:12. > :42:15.Badger vaccination is perfectly Badger vaccination is perfectly

:42:15. > :42:16.Badger vaccination is perfectly legal to do. More and more

:42:16. > :42:17.legal to do. More and more legal to do. More and more

:42:17. > :42:19.veterinarians are trained to do it. veterinarians are trained to do it.

:42:19. > :42:20.veterinarians are trained to do it. veterinarians are trained to do it.

:42:20. > :42:22.It will be at least as effective as It will be at least as effective as

:42:22. > :42:23.It will be at least as effective as It will be at least as effective as

:42:23. > :42:24.the cull at no greater cost. What the cull at no greater cost. What

:42:24. > :42:25.the cull at no greater cost. What the cull at no greater cost. What

:42:25. > :42:27.we want to see is a combination of we want to see is a combination of

:42:27. > :42:30.these things, better husbandry, these things, better husbandry,

:42:30. > :42:31.better transport, vaccinations. We better transport, vaccinations. We

:42:32. > :42:34.better transport, vaccinations. We agree with that but there is

:42:34. > :42:35.agree with that but there is agree with that but there is

:42:35. > :42:36.evidence across the world. The only evidence across the world. The only

:42:36. > :42:36.evidence across the world. The only evidence across the world. The only

:42:36. > :42:37.places we have been able to bear places we have been able to bear

:42:37. > :42:38.places we have been able to bear places we have been able to bear

:42:38. > :42:40.down on this disease is where there down on this disease is where there

:42:40. > :42:41.down on this disease is where there has been a concentration on animal

:42:41. > :42:45.has been a concentration on animal has been a concentration on animal

:42:45. > :42:46.control. It simply not true. There control. It simply not true. There

:42:46. > :42:49.control. It simply not true. There control. It simply not true. There

:42:49. > :42:49.is a massive cost associated with a is a massive cost associated with a

:42:50. > :42:51.is a massive cost associated with a cull. The badger vaccination would

:42:51. > :42:53.cull. The badger vaccination would cull. The badger vaccination would

:42:53. > :42:54.not cost anything more than the not cost anything more than the

:42:54. > :42:54.not cost anything more than the cull. So much scientific evidence

:42:54. > :42:57.cull. So much scientific evidence cull. So much scientific evidence

:42:57. > :42:58.cull. So much scientific evidence say it's not going to be effective.

:42:58. > :42:59.say it's not going to be effective. say it's not going to be effective.

:42:59. > :43:01.say it's not going to be effective. Sadly, sadly we have run out of

:43:01. > :43:04.Sadly, sadly we have run out of Sadly, sadly we have run out of

:43:04. > :43:05.time. The cull was delayed last time. The cull was delayed last

:43:05. > :43:05.time. The cull was delayed last time. The cull was delayed last

:43:06. > :43:07.year. As you can see, clearly still year. As you can see, clearly still

:43:07. > :43:07.year. As you can see, clearly still year. As you can see, clearly still

:43:07. > :43:08.a lot of debate in here about a lot of debate in here about

:43:08. > :43:10.a lot of debate in here about a lot of debate in here about

:43:10. > :43:12.whether or not we should go ahead with it.

:43:12. > :43:13.with it. with it.

:43:13. > :43:13.with it. Thank you. It is the world's most

:43:13. > :43:14.Thank you. It is the world's most diverse international organisation

:43:14. > :43:15.diverse international organisation diverse international organisation

:43:15. > :43:17.diverse international organisation after the UN with a membership of

:43:17. > :43:18.after the UN with a membership of after the UN with a membership of

:43:18. > :43:18.54 countries. It covers a quarter 54 countries. It covers a quarter

:43:18. > :43:19.54 countries. It covers a quarter of the world's population, from

:43:19. > :43:20.of the world's population, from of the world's population, from

:43:20. > :43:24.India's one billion citizens to India's one billion citizens to

:43:24. > :43:28.India's one billion citizens to India's one billion citizens to

:43:28. > :43:29.tiny Nauru's 14,000. So what is the tiny Nauru's 14,000. So what is the

:43:29. > :43:30.tiny Nauru's 14,000. So what is the Commonwealth? Well, as the first

:43:30. > :43:31.Commonwealth? Well, as the first Secretary General of the

:43:31. > :43:32.Secretary General of the Secretary General of the

:43:32. > :43:33.organisation once said, it is organisation once said, it is

:43:33. > :43:34.organisation once said, it is organisation once said, it is

:43:34. > :43:35.easier to explain what it is not. easier to explain what it is not.

:43:35. > :43:36.easier to explain what it is not. So here a few common misconceptions.

:43:36. > :43:37.So here a few common misconceptions. So here a few common misconceptions.

:43:37. > :43:38.It is not the British Commonwealth. It is not the British Commonwealth.

:43:38. > :43:42.It is not the British Commonwealth. The word British hasn't been used

:43:42. > :43:42.The word British hasn't been used The word British hasn't been used

:43:43. > :43:44.The word British hasn't been used since 1949. It is not just the

:43:44. > :43:45.since 1949. It is not just the since 1949. It is not just the

:43:45. > :43:46.former territories of the British former territories of the British

:43:46. > :43:47.Empire. Former Portuguese territory Empire. Former Portuguese territory

:43:47. > :43:48.Empire. Former Portuguese territory Mozambique joined in 1995 and the

:43:48. > :43:53.Mozambique joined in 1995 and the Mozambique joined in 1995 and the

:43:53. > :43:54.ex-Belgian Colony of Rwanda in 2009. ex-Belgian Colony of Rwanda in 2009.

:43:54. > :43:55.ex-Belgian Colony of Rwanda in 2009. ex-Belgian Colony of Rwanda in 2009.

:43:55. > :43:56.The Queen is the Head of the The Queen is the Head of the

:43:56. > :43:58.The Queen is the Head of the Commonwealth, even though most of

:43:58. > :43:58.Commonwealth, even though most of Commonwealth, even though most of

:43:58. > :43:59.the members are republics. And the members are republics. And

:43:59. > :44:04.the members are republics. And there are five other monarchs in

:44:04. > :44:05.there are five other monarchs in there are five other monarchs in

:44:05. > :44:05.the organisation. But, unlike the the organisation. But, unlike the

:44:06. > :44:07.the organisation. But, unlike the British monarchy, the title is not

:44:07. > :44:07.British monarchy, the title is not British monarchy, the title is not

:44:07. > :44:08.hereidtary, so there is no hereidtary, so there is no

:44:08. > :44:09.hereidtary, so there is no guarantee that the Prince of Wales

:44:09. > :44:12.guarantee that the Prince of Wales guarantee that the Prince of Wales

:44:12. > :44:13.would be the organisation's next would be the organisation's next

:44:13. > :44:13.would be the organisation's next would be the organisation's next

:44:13. > :44:14.head. I'm now joined by Sir Don head. I'm now joined by Sir Don

:44:14. > :44:15.head. I'm now joined by Sir Don McKinnon who, as Secretary General

:44:15. > :44:16.McKinnon who, as Secretary General McKinnon who, as Secretary General

:44:16. > :44:17.from 2000 to 2008, was responsible from 2000 to 2008, was responsible

:44:17. > :44:18.from 2000 to 2008, was responsible for running the organisation. He

:44:18. > :44:19.for running the organisation. He for running the organisation. He

:44:19. > :44:24.for running the organisation. He has just published a book about his

:44:24. > :44:24.has just published a book about his has just published a book about his

:44:24. > :44:25.experiences. I suppose the first experiences. I suppose the first

:44:26. > :44:28.experiences. I suppose the first question is, how would you describe

:44:28. > :44:28.question is, how would you describe question is, how would you describe

:44:28. > :44:31.the Commonwealth? It depends where the Commonwealth? It depends where

:44:31. > :44:32.the Commonwealth? It depends where the Commonwealth? It depends where

:44:32. > :44:32.you are standing. If you are in you are standing. If you are in

:44:33. > :44:34.you are standing. If you are in some well, it's different to

:44:35. > :44:36.some well, it's different to some well, it's different to

:44:36. > :44:37.Trinidad, India is different to Trinidad, India is different to

:44:37. > :44:39.Trinidad, India is different to Zambia. That part of the issue.

:44:39. > :44:40.Zambia. That part of the issue. Everybody sees it differently.

:44:40. > :44:41.Everybody sees it differently. Everybody sees it differently.

:44:42. > :44:44.Everyone sees it through different Everyone sees it through different

:44:44. > :44:45.Everyone sees it through different Everyone sees it through different

:44:45. > :44:47.eyes. How did you see it?A massive eyes. How did you see it?A massive

:44:47. > :44:48.eyes. How did you see it?A massive countries all over the globe which

:44:48. > :44:49.countries all over the globe which countries all over the globe which

:44:49. > :44:51.had difficulties everywhere, when I had difficulties everywhere, when I

:44:51. > :44:52.had difficulties everywhere, when I had difficulties everywhere, when I

:44:52. > :44:54.first took office. But what you do first took office. But what you do

:44:54. > :44:55.first took office. But what you do appreciate in the end is the

:44:55. > :44:57.appreciate in the end is the appreciate in the end is the

:44:57. > :45:07.feeling amongst all those countries, feeling amongst all those countries,

:45:07. > :45:11.

:45:11. > :45:14.despite the disparities amongst What is the Commonwealth to do? I

:45:14. > :45:15.What is the Commonwealth to do? I What is the Commonwealth to do? I

:45:15. > :45:16.slip back 40 years to my childhood slip back 40 years to my childhood

:45:16. > :45:17.slip back 40 years to my childhood and the classroom, which is very

:45:17. > :45:18.and the classroom, which is very and the classroom, which is very

:45:18. > :45:19.and the classroom, which is very simplistic. But if I wear head of

:45:19. > :45:25.simplistic. But if I wear head of simplistic. But if I wear head of

:45:25. > :45:25.state for a Commonwealth country, state for a Commonwealth country,

:45:25. > :45:27.state for a Commonwealth country, state for a Commonwealth country,

:45:27. > :45:28.and you turned to a minister and and you turned to a minister and

:45:28. > :45:30.and you turned to a minister and and you turned to a minister and

:45:30. > :45:30.said, what you get from being in the said, what you get from being in the

:45:30. > :45:35.said, what you get from being in the Commonwealth? What would the answer

:45:35. > :45:36.Commonwealth? What would the answer Commonwealth? What would the answer

:45:36. > :45:38.Commonwealth? What would the answer be? That is exactly what they should

:45:38. > :45:39.be? That is exactly what they should be? That is exactly what they should

:45:39. > :45:40.be? That is exactly what they should ask. Are we getting value for money?

:45:40. > :45:42.ask. Are we getting value for money? ask. Are we getting value for money?

:45:42. > :45:43.ask. Are we getting value for money? From a British point of view, which

:45:43. > :45:44.From a British point of view, which From a British point of view, which

:45:44. > :45:45.is different from Zambia or anywhere is different from Zambia or anywhere

:45:45. > :45:49.is different from Zambia or anywhere is different from Zambia or anywhere

:45:49. > :45:49.else, you have 54 friends out there. else, you have 54 friends out there.

:45:49. > :45:50.else, you have 54 friends out there. Anything Britain wants to initiate

:45:50. > :45:51.Anything Britain wants to initiate Anything Britain wants to initiate

:45:51. > :45:53.internationally, they can go to the internationally, they can go to the

:45:53. > :45:54.internationally, they can go to the internationally, they can go to the

:45:54. > :45:56.World Bank, the UN, the IMS and World Bank, the UN, the IMS and

:45:56. > :45:57.World Bank, the UN, the IMS and World Bank, the UN, the IMS and

:45:57. > :45:57.say, I've got 54 votes behind me for say, I've got 54 votes behind me for

:45:57. > :46:00.say, I've got 54 votes behind me for this procedure. Now, let's move it

:46:00. > :46:03.this procedure. Now, let's move it this procedure. Now, let's move it

:46:04. > :46:04.on. You don't have that anywhere on. You don't have that anywhere

:46:04. > :46:07.on. You don't have that anywhere on. You don't have that anywhere

:46:08. > :46:10.else. So it does have clout, then? else. So it does have clout, then?

:46:10. > :46:10.else. So it does have clout, then? else. So it does have clout, then?

:46:10. > :46:13.else. So it does have clout, then? It is how it is used. I mean, for

:46:13. > :46:14.It is how it is used. I mean, for It is how it is used. I mean, for

:46:14. > :46:15.the bigger countries, Australia and the bigger countries, Australia and

:46:15. > :46:18.the bigger countries, Australia and India, they can use the membership

:46:18. > :46:19.India, they can use the membership to enhance their relationships

:46:19. > :46:20.to enhance their relationships to enhance their relationships

:46:20. > :46:22.to enhance their relationships because they can say, look, I've got

:46:22. > :46:23.because they can say, look, I've got because they can say, look, I've got

:46:23. > :46:26.Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, the Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, the

:46:26. > :46:28.Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, the Pacific supporting me. It depends

:46:28. > :46:29.Pacific supporting me. It depends Pacific supporting me. It depends

:46:29. > :46:30.very much on the issues. Trade very much on the issues. Trade

:46:30. > :46:31.very much on the issues. Trade related issues are very difficult

:46:31. > :46:32.related issues are very difficult related issues are very difficult

:46:32. > :46:34.related issues are very difficult and complex because we are all at

:46:34. > :46:35.and complex because we are all at and complex because we are all at

:46:35. > :46:36.different stages of the relevant. different stages of the relevant.

:46:36. > :46:37.different stages of the relevant. Everyone wants free trade going in

:46:37. > :46:37.Everyone wants free trade going in Everyone wants free trade going in

:46:37. > :46:42.Everyone wants free trade going in and not so much coming back in

:46:42. > :46:45.and not so much coming back in and not so much coming back in

:46:45. > :46:47.again. Did the common market kill again. Did the common market kill

:46:47. > :46:48.again. Did the common market kill the Commonwealth? No. It is a

:46:48. > :46:51.the Commonwealth? No. It is a the Commonwealth? No. It is a

:46:51. > :46:52.the Commonwealth? No. It is a question of how you use it. You are

:46:52. > :46:53.question of how you use it. You are question of how you use it. You are

:46:53. > :46:55.question of how you use it. You are part of the European Union and us

:46:55. > :46:58.part of the European Union and us part of the European Union and us

:46:58. > :46:59.taxpayers you put �350 million into taxpayers you put �350 million into

:47:00. > :47:01.taxpayers you put �350 million into taxpayers you put �350 million into

:47:01. > :47:02.the EU and just �1 Commonwealth. I the EU and just �1 Commonwealth. I

:47:02. > :47:03.the EU and just �1 Commonwealth. I the EU and just �1 Commonwealth. I

:47:03. > :47:03.think that �1 is a pretty good think that �1 is a pretty good

:47:03. > :47:06.think that �1 is a pretty good investment. I think Britain has

:47:06. > :47:06.investment. I think Britain has investment. I think Britain has

:47:06. > :47:07.investment. I think Britain has always used it rest. On the other

:47:07. > :47:08.always used it rest. On the other always used it rest. On the other

:47:08. > :47:12.hand, I don't think many hand, I don't think many

:47:12. > :47:13.Commonwealth countries really used Commonwealth countries really used

:47:13. > :47:14.Commonwealth countries really used it. Smaller countries are the ones

:47:14. > :47:17.it. Smaller countries are the ones it. Smaller countries are the ones

:47:17. > :47:18.it. Smaller countries are the ones it. Smaller countries are the ones

:47:18. > :47:19.who tend to use it the best. And do who tend to use it the best. And do

:47:19. > :47:19.who tend to use it the best. And do who tend to use it the best. And do

:47:20. > :47:20.they benefit from it? If you are they benefit from it? If you are

:47:20. > :47:25.they benefit from it? If you are going to point successes, what would

:47:25. > :47:27.going to point successes, what would going to point successes, what would

:47:27. > :47:27.spring to mind? Well, in the spring to mind? Well, in the

:47:27. > :47:28.spring to mind? Well, in the Caribbean, you have 12 small

:47:28. > :47:30.Caribbean, you have 12 small Caribbean, you have 12 small

:47:30. > :47:33.countries. Nobody really listens to countries. Nobody really listens to

:47:33. > :47:34.countries. Nobody really listens to countries. Nobody really listens to

:47:34. > :47:36.them. If the president of the United them. If the president of the United

:47:36. > :47:37.them. If the president of the United States talks about the Americas, he

:47:37. > :47:38.States talks about the Americas, he States talks about the Americas, he

:47:38. > :47:39.means North America and South means North America and South

:47:39. > :47:40.means North America and South America, and doesn't really think

:47:40. > :47:42.America, and doesn't really think America, and doesn't really think

:47:42. > :47:43.about those 12 countries. If they about those 12 countries. If they

:47:43. > :47:43.about those 12 countries. If they about those 12 countries. If they

:47:44. > :47:44.come together, I have got a voice come together, I have got a voice

:47:44. > :47:47.come together, I have got a voice come together, I have got a voice

:47:47. > :47:48.and then they bring it to the and then they bring it to the

:47:48. > :47:49.and then they bring it to the Commonwealth. Can you think of

:47:49. > :47:50.Commonwealth. Can you think of Commonwealth. Can you think of

:47:50. > :47:51.something in your time that would something in your time that would

:47:51. > :47:53.something in your time that would something in your time that would

:47:53. > :47:54.have said, we did this in the have said, we did this in the

:47:54. > :47:56.have said, we did this in the Commonwealth? Well, I think one

:47:56. > :47:57.Commonwealth? Well, I think one Commonwealth? Well, I think one

:47:57. > :47:58.Commonwealth? Well, I think one thing that they did initiate was the

:47:58. > :48:03.thing that they did initiate was the thing that they did initiate was the

:48:03. > :48:04.massive write-off of debt. That massive write-off of debt. That

:48:04. > :48:06.massive write-off of debt. That began in the Commonwealth and Gordon

:48:06. > :48:07.began in the Commonwealth and Gordon began in the Commonwealth and Gordon

:48:07. > :48:08.Brown, as the Chancellor, went with Brown, as the Chancellor, went with

:48:08. > :48:09.Brown, as the Chancellor, went with Brown, as the Chancellor, went with

:48:09. > :48:10.his 53 votes to the World Bank his 53 votes to the World Bank

:48:10. > :48:12.his 53 votes to the World Bank meetings and it took about five

:48:12. > :48:12.meetings and it took about five meetings and it took about five

:48:12. > :48:13.meetings and it took about five years. But that was the beginning of

:48:13. > :48:15.years. But that was the beginning of years. But that was the beginning of

:48:16. > :48:16.the initiative that went all the the initiative that went all the

:48:16. > :48:20.the initiative that went all the way. Which leaders have you enjoyed

:48:20. > :48:20.way. Which leaders have you enjoyed way. Which leaders have you enjoyed

:48:20. > :48:23.way. Which leaders have you enjoyed working with the most? Or who are

:48:23. > :48:24.working with the most? Or who are working with the most? Or who are

:48:24. > :48:26.the worst? I've had some very the worst? I've had some very

:48:26. > :48:29.the worst? I've had some very difficult ones! But they are all

:48:29. > :48:30.difficult ones! But they are all challenging and interesting people!

:48:30. > :48:31.challenging and interesting people! challenging and interesting people!

:48:31. > :48:32.challenging and interesting people! I suppose you have to be diplomatic

:48:32. > :48:35.I suppose you have to be diplomatic I suppose you have to be diplomatic

:48:35. > :48:36.I suppose you have to be diplomatic in that role, don't you? Their risen

:48:36. > :48:36.in that role, don't you? Their risen in that role, don't you? Their risen

:48:36. > :48:39.from political leader that doesn't from political leader that doesn't

:48:39. > :48:40.from political leader that doesn't have a complex personality. They may

:48:40. > :48:40.have a complex personality. They may have a complex personality. They may

:48:40. > :48:44.have a complex personality. They may look as though they are very black

:48:44. > :48:44.look as though they are very black look as though they are very black

:48:45. > :48:45.and white. -- there isn't one and white. -- there isn't one

:48:45. > :48:50.and white. -- there isn't one political leader. They are all very

:48:50. > :48:50.political leader. They are all very political leader. They are all very

:48:51. > :48:51.complex people. Were people like complex people. Were people like

:48:51. > :48:55.complex people. Were people like Robert Mugabe vilified in the

:48:55. > :48:56.Robert Mugabe vilified in the Robert Mugabe vilified in the

:48:56. > :48:58.Commonwealth? Welcomer he was, but Commonwealth? Welcomer he was, but

:48:58. > :48:59.Commonwealth? Welcomer he was, but Commonwealth? Welcomer he was, but

:48:59. > :49:02.not always in Africa. He was still a not always in Africa. He was still a

:49:02. > :49:03.not always in Africa. He was still a not always in Africa. He was still a

:49:03. > :49:06.hero. -- well, he was. This is hero. -- well, he was. This is

:49:06. > :49:08.hero. -- well, he was. This is because he still had that frontline

:49:08. > :49:08.because he still had that frontline because he still had that frontline

:49:08. > :49:09.state credential of what he state credential of what he

:49:09. > :49:13.state credential of what he state credential of what he

:49:13. > :49:14.delivered. And he did a lot for that delivered. And he did a lot for that

:49:14. > :49:15.delivered. And he did a lot for that country. But did the condemnation of

:49:15. > :49:16.country. But did the condemnation of country. But did the condemnation of

:49:16. > :49:16.country. But did the condemnation of the rest of the Commonwealth on his

:49:16. > :49:25.the rest of the Commonwealth on his the rest of the Commonwealth on his

:49:25. > :49:27.deeds have any effect on him deeds have any effect on him

:49:27. > :49:30.deeds have any effect on him personally? He was very angry. He

:49:30. > :49:31.personally? He was very angry. He personally? He was very angry. He

:49:31. > :49:33.tackled his fellow African leaders tackled his fellow African leaders

:49:33. > :49:33.tackled his fellow African leaders tackled his fellow African leaders

:49:34. > :49:34.and said, don't even think of having and said, don't even think of having

:49:34. > :49:35.and said, don't even think of having a conference without me, don't think

:49:35. > :49:38.a conference without me, don't think a conference without me, don't think

:49:38. > :49:39.a conference without me, don't think of castigating me in public. And the

:49:39. > :49:40.of castigating me in public. And the of castigating me in public. And the

:49:40. > :49:42.President of Nigeria worked very, President of Nigeria worked very,

:49:42. > :49:44.President of Nigeria worked very, very hard to turn Robert Mugabe

:49:44. > :49:44.very hard to turn Robert Mugabe very hard to turn Robert Mugabe

:49:44. > :49:45.very hard to turn Robert Mugabe round but in the end Robert Mugabe

:49:45. > :49:50.round but in the end Robert Mugabe round but in the end Robert Mugabe

:49:50. > :49:55.wasn't going to play ball. What wasn't going to play ball. What

:49:55. > :49:56.wasn't going to play ball. What about the Queen? Wonderful. You have

:49:56. > :49:58.about the Queen? Wonderful. You have about the Queen? Wonderful. You have

:49:58. > :49:59.about the Queen? Wonderful. You have to be so impressed with that lady.

:49:59. > :50:00.to be so impressed with that lady. to be so impressed with that lady.

:50:00. > :50:01.to be so impressed with that lady. And so many sitting beside her over

:50:01. > :50:02.And so many sitting beside her over And so many sitting beside her over

:50:02. > :50:03.the years, and what a marvellous the years, and what a marvellous

:50:03. > :50:04.the years, and what a marvellous the years, and what a marvellous

:50:04. > :50:05.diary she could have kept if she diary she could have kept if she

:50:05. > :50:07.diary she could have kept if she diary she could have kept if she

:50:07. > :50:08.ever did on how she felt about all ever did on how she felt about all

:50:08. > :50:11.ever did on how she felt about all these people! She's very easy to

:50:11. > :50:12.these people! She's very easy to these people! She's very easy to

:50:12. > :50:13.talk to about Commonwealth issues talk to about Commonwealth issues

:50:13. > :50:14.talk to about Commonwealth issues talk to about Commonwealth issues

:50:14. > :50:17.and I enjoyed every minute I had. and I enjoyed every minute I had.

:50:17. > :50:17.and I enjoyed every minute I had. and I enjoyed every minute I had.

:50:17. > :50:18.How did she manage dinner or how did How did she manage dinner or how did

:50:18. > :50:22.How did she manage dinner or how did How did she manage dinner or how did

:50:22. > :50:23.you manage dinner sitting next to a you manage dinner sitting next to a

:50:23. > :50:27.you manage dinner sitting next to a despot? Would she make small talk

:50:27. > :50:28.despot? Would she make small talk despot? Would she make small talk

:50:28. > :50:29.despot? Would she make small talk with them? Well, she had to. And she

:50:29. > :50:30.with them? Well, she had to. And she with them? Well, she had to. And she

:50:30. > :50:32.did it successfully. She might have did it successfully. She might have

:50:32. > :50:33.did it successfully. She might have did it successfully. She might have

:50:33. > :50:33.gritted her teeth! And it was the gritted her teeth! And it was the

:50:33. > :50:35.gritted her teeth! And it was the Foreign Office saying, we want you

:50:35. > :50:36.Foreign Office saying, we want you Foreign Office saying, we want you

:50:36. > :50:37.Foreign Office saying, we want you Foreign Office saying, we want you

:50:37. > :50:38.to have him as a state guest of our to have him as a state guest of our

:50:38. > :50:39.to have him as a state guest of our country and therefore he will be

:50:39. > :50:39.country and therefore he will be country and therefore he will be

:50:39. > :50:40.country and therefore he will be sitting next to you at dinner at

:50:40. > :50:44.sitting next to you at dinner at sitting next to you at dinner at

:50:44. > :50:45.sitting next to you at dinner at some time. And she had to say, OK.

:50:45. > :50:48.some time. And she had to say, OK. some time. And she had to say, OK.

:50:48. > :50:49.Did she tell you anything personal Did she tell you anything personal

:50:50. > :50:50.Did she tell you anything personal about leaders? We had lots of

:50:50. > :50:53.about leaders? We had lots of about leaders? We had lots of

:50:53. > :50:53.wonderful conversations! So she did? wonderful conversations! So she did?

:50:53. > :50:56.wonderful conversations! So she did? We had lots of wonderful

:50:56. > :50:58.We had lots of wonderful We had lots of wonderful

:50:58. > :50:59.conversations! And what about Prince conversations! And what about Prince

:50:59. > :51:04.conversations! And what about Prince Charles? It is not a natural

:51:04. > :51:05.Charles? It is not a natural Charles? It is not a natural

:51:05. > :51:09.succession. He just finished a tour succession. He just finished a tour

:51:09. > :51:09.succession. He just finished a tour succession. He just finished a tour

:51:09. > :51:10.of Australia and New Zealand. In our of Australia and New Zealand. In our

:51:11. > :51:15.of Australia and New Zealand. In our of Australia and New Zealand. In our

:51:15. > :51:17.part of the world, I'm in New part of the world, I'm in New

:51:17. > :51:18.Zealand, and the Republican Zealand, and the Republican

:51:18. > :51:19.-monarchy pendulum swings backwards -monarchy pendulum swings backwards

:51:19. > :51:19.-monarchy pendulum swings backwards -monarchy pendulum swings backwards

:51:19. > :51:20.and forwards and I think they caused and forwards and I think they caused

:51:20. > :51:24.and forwards and I think they caused it to swing back towards the

:51:24. > :51:27.it to swing back towards the it to swing back towards the

:51:27. > :51:30.monarchy with that visit. And your monarchy with that visit. And your

:51:30. > :51:35.monarchy with that visit. And your monarchy with that visit. And your

:51:35. > :51:36.book? In The Ring - The Commonwealth book? In The Ring - The Commonwealth

:51:36. > :51:37.book? In The Ring - The Commonwealth book? In The Ring - The Commonwealth

:51:37. > :51:38.Memoir. Now Time To Find Out The Memoir. Now Time To Find Out The

:51:38. > :51:38.Memoir. Now Time To Find Out The Memoir. Now Time To Find Out The

:51:38. > :51:44.Answer To Our Quiz. Which Flag Is Answer To Our Quiz. Which Flag Is

:51:44. > :51:45.Answer To Our Quiz. Which Flag Is Answer To Our Quiz. Which Flag Is

:51:45. > :51:45.The Odd One Out? The First Was The Odd One Out? The First Was

:51:45. > :51:49.The Odd One Out? The First Was Mozambique, Then Algeria With The

:51:49. > :51:50.Mozambique, Then Algeria With The Mozambique, Then Algeria With The

:51:50. > :51:51.Red Crescent And Star. Then The Red Crescent And Star. Then The

:51:51. > :51:52.Red Crescent And Star. Then The Rather Psychedelic Flag Of The

:51:52. > :51:54.Rather Psychedelic Flag Of The Rather Psychedelic Flag Of The

:51:54. > :51:55.Seychelles And Then The Pacific Seychelles And Then The Pacific

:51:55. > :51:58.Seychelles And Then The Pacific Island Of Tuvalu, Featuring The

:51:58. > :52:05.Island Of Tuvalu, Featuring The Island Of Tuvalu, Featuring The

:52:05. > :52:07.Union Flag. What is the correct Union Flag. What is the correct

:52:07. > :52:08.Union Flag. What is the correct Union Flag. What is the correct

:52:08. > :52:08.answer? We might even give you a answer? We might even give you a

:52:08. > :52:13.answer? We might even give you a daily politics mug forgetting it

:52:13. > :52:15.daily politics mug forgetting it daily politics mug forgetting it

:52:15. > :52:16.daily politics mug forgetting it right. -- for getting it right. Sit

:52:16. > :52:20.right. -- for getting it right. Sit right. -- for getting it right. Sit

:52:20. > :52:23.comfortably and look at this. comfortably and look at this.

:52:23. > :52:24.comfortably and look at this. It has been the most exciting,

:52:24. > :52:25.It has been the most exciting, unpredictable election in a

:52:25. > :52:29.unpredictable election in a generation. Welcome to election

:52:29. > :52:30.generation. Welcome to election night on the BBC.

:52:30. > :52:30.night on the BBC. night on the BBC.

:52:31. > :52:31.night on the BBC. Here is how we voted last time

:52:31. > :52:32.Here is how we voted last time Here is how we voted last time

:52:32. > :52:35.Here is how we voted last time round. What colour will we paint the

:52:35. > :52:36.round. What colour will we paint the round. What colour will we paint the

:52:36. > :52:37.country this time? Politicians on country this time? Politicians on

:52:37. > :52:40.country this time? Politicians on all sides are expecting a result

:52:41. > :52:41.all sides are expecting a result all sides are expecting a result

:52:41. > :52:42.that makes history. Fascinating to that makes history. Fascinating to

:52:42. > :52:43.that makes history. Fascinating to see these results coming in... We

:52:43. > :52:49.see these results coming in... We see these results coming in... We

:52:50. > :52:51.see these results coming in... We are almost on the cusp of a name.

:52:51. > :52:52.are almost on the cusp of a name. are almost on the cusp of a name.

:52:52. > :52:53.are almost on the cusp of a name. This is the key number to remember.

:52:53. > :52:58.This is the key number to remember. This is the key number to remember.

:52:58. > :52:59.Paving stones flying into Downing Paving stones flying into Downing

:52:59. > :53:00.Paving stones flying into Downing Street. The Conservatives are the

:53:00. > :53:03.Street. The Conservatives are the Street. The Conservatives are the

:53:03. > :53:04.largest party and are tonight largest party and are tonight

:53:04. > :53:06.largest party and are tonight seeking power... The first hung

:53:07. > :53:07.seeking power... The first hung seeking power... The first hung

:53:07. > :53:08.parliament in decades! They are parliament in decades! They are

:53:08. > :53:09.parliament in decades! They are desperately trying to thrash out a

:53:09. > :53:13.desperately trying to thrash out a desperately trying to thrash out a

:53:13. > :53:14.desperately trying to thrash out a deal on a shared government. We are

:53:14. > :53:14.deal on a shared government. We are deal on a shared government. We are

:53:14. > :53:21.deal on a shared government. We are steps closer to a new government for

:53:21. > :53:22.Don't worry! Your clock hasn't Don't worry! Your clock hasn't

:53:22. > :53:24.Don't worry! Your clock hasn't Don't worry! Your clock hasn't

:53:24. > :53:26.broken. It is not 2am and we are not broken. It is not 2am and we are not

:53:26. > :53:27.broken. It is not 2am and we are not broken. It is not 2am and we are not

:53:27. > :53:27.about to hear the result of a about to hear the result of a

:53:27. > :53:28.about to hear the result of a certain by-election that we can't

:53:28. > :53:30.certain by-election that we can't certain by-election that we can't

:53:30. > :53:31.mention! Voting is still going on. mention! Voting is still going on.

:53:31. > :53:33.mention! Voting is still going on. mention! Voting is still going on.

:53:33. > :53:33.That was a clip from the new satire That was a clip from the new satire

:53:33. > :53:35.That was a clip from the new satire currently on a Pleasance Theatre in

:53:36. > :53:36.currently on a Pleasance Theatre in currently on a Pleasance Theatre in

:53:36. > :53:39.currently on a Pleasance Theatre in London. We are joined by Sir Francis

:53:39. > :53:41.London. We are joined by Sir Francis Whitford, special adviser, perhaps

:53:41. > :53:42.Whitford, special adviser, perhaps Whitford, special adviser, perhaps

:53:42. > :53:43.better known as comedian Phill better known as comedian Phill

:53:43. > :53:45.better known as comedian Phill Jupitus. Do you think a coalition

:53:45. > :53:45.Jupitus. Do you think a coalition Jupitus. Do you think a coalition

:53:46. > :53:46.government gives you rich pickings government gives you rich pickings

:53:46. > :53:51.government gives you rich pickings for satire? Richer than single party

:53:51. > :53:52.for satire? Richer than single party for satire? Richer than single party

:53:52. > :53:54.for satire? Richer than single party once? I think it has. That is what

:53:54. > :53:55.once? I think it has. That is what once? I think it has. That is what

:53:55. > :53:57.once? I think it has. That is what we are looking at - this very, very

:53:57. > :53:59.we are looking at - this very, very we are looking at - this very, very

:53:59. > :54:00.uneasy alliance that has developed. uneasy alliance that has developed.

:54:00. > :54:01.uneasy alliance that has developed. uneasy alliance that has developed.

:54:01. > :54:02.We have watched the drama played out We have watched the drama played out

:54:02. > :54:02.We have watched the drama played out in newspapers, on television and on

:54:02. > :54:03.in newspapers, on television and on in newspapers, on television and on

:54:03. > :54:07.in newspapers, on television and on the wireless for the last couple of

:54:08. > :54:08.the wireless for the last couple of the wireless for the last couple of

:54:08. > :54:10.the wireless for the last couple of years, and now what the guys who

:54:10. > :54:11.years, and now what the guys who years, and now what the guys who

:54:11. > :54:12.years, and now what the guys who have written a play have done is,

:54:12. > :54:13.have written a play have done is, have written a play have done is,

:54:13. > :54:15.have written a play have done is, right, let's look at a possible way

:54:15. > :54:15.right, let's look at a possible way right, let's look at a possible way

:54:16. > :54:18.right, let's look at a possible way it could fall apart. So it is like

:54:18. > :54:19.it could fall apart. So it is like it could fall apart. So it is like

:54:19. > :54:22.it could fall apart. So it is like wargames in the coalition. And it is

:54:22. > :54:23.wargames in the coalition. And it is wargames in the coalition. And it is

:54:23. > :54:27.wargames in the coalition. And it is wargames in the coalition. And it is

:54:28. > :54:29.good fun? Well, yes, I get to play a good fun? Well, yes, I get to play a

:54:29. > :54:30.good fun? Well, yes, I get to play a good fun? Well, yes, I get to play a

:54:30. > :54:31.Tory! I have loosely based it on... Tory! I have loosely based it on...

:54:31. > :54:31.Tory! I have loosely based it on... Tory! I have loosely based it on...

:54:31. > :54:32.Tory! I have loosely based it on... Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and

:54:32. > :54:33.Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and

:54:33. > :54:34.Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and

:54:34. > :54:37.I went to dinner once and I have a I went to dinner once and I have a

:54:37. > :54:37.I went to dinner once and I have a I went to dinner once and I have a

:54:37. > :54:42.memory of that! It is that and also memory of that! It is that and also

:54:42. > :54:44.memory of that! It is that and also memory of that! It is that and also

:54:44. > :54:45.I went to boarding school , so I I went to boarding school , so I

:54:45. > :54:45.I went to boarding school , so I I went to boarding school , so I

:54:45. > :54:46.remember a fewer of the Masters. I remember a fewer of the Masters. I

:54:46. > :54:48.remember a fewer of the Masters. I remember a fewer of the Masters. I

:54:48. > :54:48.went to Westminster once and I was went to Westminster once and I was

:54:48. > :54:49.went to Westminster once and I was went to Westminster once and I was

:54:49. > :54:50.hanging out with the Labour guys and hanging out with the Labour guys and

:54:50. > :54:51.hanging out with the Labour guys and hanging out with the Labour guys and

:54:51. > :54:56.it was all a bit called Troy and" it was all a bit called Troy and"

:54:56. > :54:57.it was all a bit called Troy and" it was all a bit called Troy and"

:54:57. > :55:02.it was all a bit called Troy and" how are you, lad? " . So is it, Dior

:55:02. > :55:12.how are you, lad? " . So is it, Dior how are you, lad? " . So is it, Dior

:55:12. > :55:16.

:55:16. > :55:18.how are you, lad? " . So is it, Dior satire? -- so is it, D or satire?

:55:18. > :55:21.satire? -- so is it, D or satire? satire? -- so is it, D or satire?

:55:21. > :55:22.satire? -- so is it, D or satire? Well, my mother was there, which was

:55:22. > :55:23.Well, my mother was there, which was Well, my mother was there, which was

:55:23. > :55:24.Well, my mother was there, which was Well, my mother was there, which was

:55:24. > :55:25.fun. It is easy to do that but if fun. It is easy to do that but if

:55:25. > :55:28.fun. It is easy to do that but if fun. It is easy to do that but if

:55:28. > :55:29.Ewing gate with the process as it is Ewing gate with the process as it is

:55:29. > :55:30.Ewing gate with the process as it is going along, you can do yourself

:55:30. > :55:30.going along, you can do yourself going along, you can do yourself

:55:30. > :55:31.going along, you can do yourself more favours if you can kind of look

:55:31. > :55:33.more favours if you can kind of look more favours if you can kind of look

:55:33. > :55:34.more favours if you can kind of look at what is going on around you. And

:55:34. > :55:35.at what is going on around you. And at what is going on around you. And

:55:35. > :55:36.at what is going on around you. And the play has made me kind of more

:55:36. > :55:38.the play has made me kind of more the play has made me kind of more

:55:38. > :55:39.the play has made me kind of more aware of what is happening. It is

:55:39. > :55:40.aware of what is happening. It is aware of what is happening. It is

:55:40. > :55:41.aware of what is happening. It is very easy to go, turn it off, turn

:55:41. > :55:45.very easy to go, turn it off, turn very easy to go, turn it off, turn

:55:45. > :55:51.very easy to go, turn it off, turn it off, as many do. Are all the

:55:51. > :55:51.it off, as many do. Are all the it off, as many do. Are all the

:55:51. > :55:52.characters fictional? Yes, but there characters fictional? Yes, but there

:55:52. > :55:53.are touchstones within the are touchstones within the

:55:53. > :55:57.are touchstones within the production and you will recognise

:55:57. > :55:59.production and you will recognise production and you will recognise

:55:59. > :56:04.certain people. And do you alter certain people. And do you alter

:56:04. > :56:05.certain people. And do you alter production at all to match reality?

:56:05. > :56:07.production at all to match reality? production at all to match reality?

:56:07. > :56:08.production at all to match reality? Well, we can't. We did in Edinburgh

:56:08. > :56:09.Well, we can't. We did in Edinburgh Well, we can't. We did in Edinburgh

:56:09. > :56:12.Well, we can't. We did in Edinburgh has the coalition was having a bumpy

:56:12. > :56:13.has the coalition was having a bumpy has the coalition was having a bumpy

:56:13. > :56:15.time, Iraqi time, and we thought, time, Iraqi time, and we thought,

:56:15. > :56:16.time, Iraqi time, and we thought, please don't fall apart. We would

:56:16. > :56:17.please don't fall apart. We would please don't fall apart. We would

:56:17. > :56:24.please don't fall apart. We would have had to write a musical version!

:56:24. > :56:24.have had to write a musical version! have had to write a musical version!

:56:24. > :56:29.have had to write a musical version! -- a rocky time. Are any of the

:56:29. > :56:30.-- a rocky time. Are any of the -- a rocky time. Are any of the

:56:30. > :56:34.politicians funny? John we -- John politicians funny? John we -- John

:56:34. > :56:35.politicians funny? John we -- John politicians funny? John we -- John

:56:35. > :56:38.Reid was rather funny. But they will Reid was rather funny. But they will

:56:38. > :56:39.Reid was rather funny. But they will tell you something different. They

:56:39. > :56:41.tell you something different. They tell you something different. They

:56:41. > :56:41.tell you something different. They will say one thing in interviews and

:56:42. > :56:42.will say one thing in interviews and will say one thing in interviews and

:56:42. > :56:45.will say one thing in interviews and then later, they will say, you are

:56:45. > :56:48.then later, they will say, you are then later, they will say, you are

:56:48. > :56:49.then later, they will say, you are right, we should do the other thing.

:56:49. > :56:55.right, we should do the other thing. right, we should do the other thing.

:56:55. > :56:55.Who is the funniest politician? Who is the funniest politician?

:56:55. > :56:56.Who is the funniest politician? Who is the funniest politician?

:56:56. > :56:57.People will hate me saying this but People will hate me saying this but

:56:57. > :57:03.People will hate me saying this but People will hate me saying this but

:57:03. > :57:04.Tony Blair was pretty funny. He was Tony Blair was pretty funny. He was

:57:04. > :57:07.Tony Blair was pretty funny. He was pretty witty. Yes, funny how, as

:57:07. > :57:10.pretty witty. Yes, funny how, as pretty witty. Yes, funny how, as

:57:10. > :57:11.they said! Mo Mowlam was hilarious. they said! Mo Mowlam was hilarious.

:57:11. > :57:13.they said! Mo Mowlam was hilarious. they said! Mo Mowlam was hilarious.

:57:13. > :57:16.When she was on her way out, she When she was on her way out, she

:57:16. > :57:17.When she was on her way out, she When she was on her way out, she

:57:17. > :57:20.went, where's the toilet? To one of went, where's the toilet? To one of

:57:20. > :57:21.went, where's the toilet? To one of the people at the Palladium. And

:57:21. > :57:22.the people at the Palladium. And the people at the Palladium. And

:57:22. > :57:23.the people at the Palladium. And they pointed her the way but she

:57:23. > :57:27.they pointed her the way but she they pointed her the way but she

:57:27. > :57:28.they pointed her the way but she said, no, the one the Queen uses!

:57:28. > :57:29.said, no, the one the Queen uses! said, no, the one the Queen uses!

:57:29. > :57:32.said, no, the one the Queen uses! you think they need to loosen up or

:57:32. > :57:33.you think they need to loosen up or you think they need to loosen up or

:57:33. > :57:36.would they lose credibility? They would they lose credibility? They

:57:36. > :57:36.would they lose credibility? They would they lose credibility? They

:57:36. > :57:40.are all being petrified -- they are are all being petrified -- they are

:57:40. > :57:40.are all being petrified -- they are all petrified of being found out.

:57:40. > :57:44.all petrified of being found out. all petrified of being found out.

:57:44. > :57:45.all petrified of being found out. Would you ever be on question Time?

:57:45. > :57:46.Would you ever be on question Time? Would you ever be on question Time?

:57:46. > :57:50.No. I don't think comedians belong No. I don't think comedians belong

:57:50. > :57:53.No. I don't think comedians belong No. I don't think comedians belong

:57:53. > :57:54.on that forum. It is not supposed to on that forum. It is not supposed to

:57:54. > :57:57.on that forum. It is not supposed to on that forum. It is not supposed to

:57:57. > :57:57.be... I'm sick and tired of, you be... I'm sick and tired of, you

:57:57. > :58:01.be... I'm sick and tired of, you know, here am the programme-mack,

:58:01. > :58:01.know, here am the programme-mack, know, here am the programme-mack,

:58:01. > :58:08.which might seem contradictory, but which might seem contradictory, but

:58:08. > :58:09.which might seem contradictory, but which might seem contradictory, but

:58:09. > :58:09.I am plugging my play! You should I am plugging my play! You should

:58:09. > :58:10.I am plugging my play! You should see these senior Cabinet ministers

:58:10. > :58:11.see these senior Cabinet ministers see these senior Cabinet ministers

:58:11. > :58:14.see these senior Cabinet ministers on the phone to head office. They've

:58:14. > :58:15.on the phone to head office. They've on the phone to head office. They've

:58:15. > :58:16.on the phone to head office. They've got an adviser with them and then

:58:16. > :58:16.got an adviser with them and then got an adviser with them and then

:58:16. > :58:24.got an adviser with them and then they say, no adviser, put it this

:58:24. > :58:26.they say, no adviser, put it this they say, no adviser, put it this

:58:26. > :58:27.they say, no adviser, put it this way. But what about George. He is

:58:27. > :58:31.way. But what about George. He is way. But what about George. He is

:58:31. > :58:35.way. But what about George. He is funny and a good politician. I laugh

:58:35. > :58:36.funny and a good politician. I laugh funny and a good politician. I laugh

:58:36. > :58:37.funny and a good politician. I laugh a lot at Boris! I said his jokes,

:58:37. > :58:40.a lot at Boris! I said his jokes, a lot at Boris! I said his jokes,

:58:40. > :58:42.a lot at Boris! I said his jokes, not he is a joke! Thank you for

:58:42. > :58:43.not he is a joke! Thank you for not he is a joke! Thank you for

:58:43. > :58:45.coming on. Thank you, Richard, for coming on. Thank you, Richard, for

:58:45. > :58:46.coming on. Thank you, Richard, for coming on. Thank you, Richard, for

:58:46. > :58:49.being our guest of the day. Andrew being our guest of the day. Andrew

:58:49. > :58:50.being our guest of the day. Andrew is back tonight with an extended

:58:50. > :58:53.is back tonight with an extended is back tonight with an extended

:58:53. > :58:55.programme in honour of the Eastleigh programme in honour of the Eastleigh

:58:56. > :58:57.by-election. Apparently John by-election. Apparently John

:58:57. > :58:58.Prescott is nominated Best Prescott is nominated Best

:58:58. > :58:59.Prescott is nominated Best Supporting Actress! Wonder who the