08/03/2013

:00:43. > :00:44.Welcome to the Daily Politics, the Welcome to the Daily Politics, the

:00:44. > :00:46.Welcome to the Daily Politics, the Lib Dems are in a critical

:00:46. > :00:47.Lib Dems are in a critical Lib Dems are in a critical

:00:47. > :00:50.condition according to their party condition according to their party

:00:50. > :00:51.condition according to their party President Tim Farron. Don't worry,

:00:51. > :00:52.President Tim Farron. Don't worry, President Tim Farron. Don't worry,

:00:52. > :00:54.like cockroaches he said or Gloria like cockroaches he said or Gloria

:00:54. > :00:55.like cockroaches he said or Gloria Gaynor we say, they will survive.

:00:55. > :00:56.Gaynor we say, they will survive. Gaynor we say, they will survive.

:00:56. > :00:57.Gaynor we say, they will survive. We'll debate the state of the Lib

:00:57. > :00:57.We'll debate the state of the Lib We'll debate the state of the Lib

:00:57. > :01:00.Dems ahead of their Spring Dems ahead of their Spring

:01:00. > :01:02.Dems ahead of their Spring Conference this weekend. It's not

:01:02. > :01:03.Conference this weekend. It's not Conference this weekend. It's not

:01:03. > :01:04.Conference this weekend. It's not just the Lib Dems in gazing mode,

:01:04. > :01:05.just the Lib Dems in gazing mode, just the Lib Dems in gazing mode,

:01:05. > :01:06.senior Tories including a Home senior Tories including a Home

:01:06. > :01:07.senior Tories including a Home Secretary rumoured to be on

:01:07. > :01:08.Secretary rumoured to be on Secretary rumoured to be on

:01:08. > :01:09.manoeuvres will debate how the manoeuvres will debate how the

:01:09. > :01:18.manoeuvres will debate how the manoeuvres will debate how the

:01:18. > :01:20.party can win in 2015. We'll have a party can win in 2015. We'll have a

:01:20. > :01:21.party can win in 2015. We'll have a neek preview. There may be more

:01:21. > :01:22.neek preview. There may be more neek preview. There may be more

:01:22. > :01:23.women in Parliament these days, but women in Parliament these days, but

:01:23. > :01:24.women in Parliament these days, but women in Parliament these days, but

:01:24. > :01:27.there are big battles to be won. there are big battles to be won.

:01:27. > :01:28.there are big battles to be won. there are big battles to be won.

:01:28. > :01:29.It's likely to be the most one- It's likely to be the most one-

:01:29. > :01:30.It's likely to be the most one- sided electoral skier size since

:01:30. > :01:31.sided electoral skier size since Saddam Hussein tested public

:01:31. > :01:32.Saddam Hussein tested public Saddam Hussein tested public

:01:32. > :01:33.opinion in Ba'athist Iraq. So opinion in Ba'athist Iraq. So

:01:33. > :01:40.opinion in Ba'athist Iraq. So what's the point of the Falklands

:01:40. > :01:42.what's the point of the Falklands what's the point of the Falklands

:01:42. > :01:45.island referendum? All that in the island referendum? All that in the

:01:45. > :01:55.island referendum? All that in the next hour, action packed public

:01:55. > :01:55.

:01:55. > :03:34.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 99 seconds

:03:34. > :03:35.I think one thing, though, is that I think one thing, though, is that

:03:35. > :03:37.I think one thing, though, is that I think one thing, though, is that

:03:37. > :03:38.I think some of the Tories will I think some of the Tories will

:03:38. > :03:39.I think some of the Tories will resent, who might otherwise be

:03:39. > :03:40.resent, who might otherwise be resent, who might otherwise be

:03:40. > :03:42.resent, who might otherwise be rather keen on doing a deal with

:03:42. > :03:43.rather keen on doing a deal with rather keen on doing a deal with

:03:43. > :03:44.UKIP at a general election, might UKIP at a general election, might

:03:44. > :03:45.UKIP at a general election, might resent Nigel Farage trying to take

:03:45. > :03:46.resent Nigel Farage trying to take resent Nigel Farage trying to take

:03:46. > :03:47.resent Nigel Farage trying to take a hand on who leads the Tory party.

:03:47. > :03:48.a hand on who leads the Tory party. a hand on who leads the Tory party.

:03:48. > :03:49.a hand on who leads the Tory party. I think that could be bad news for

:03:50. > :03:50.I think that could be bad news for I think that could be bad news for

:03:50. > :03:52.them. It might be another reason them. It might be another reason

:03:52. > :03:53.them. It might be another reason them. It might be another reason

:03:53. > :03:57.why a lot of backbenchers think Mr why a lot of backbenchers think Mr

:03:57. > :03:58.why a lot of backbenchers think Mr Cameron is in the way. Absolutely.

:03:58. > :03:59.Cameron is in the way. Absolutely. Cameron is in the way. Absolutely.

:03:59. > :04:02.Cameron is in the way. Absolutely. Keep coming back at Cameron is his

:04:02. > :04:05.Keep coming back at Cameron is his Keep coming back at Cameron is his

:04:05. > :04:06.remark about ewe kip... There are remark about ewe kip... There are

:04:06. > :04:07.remark about ewe kip... There are remark about ewe kip... There are

:04:07. > :04:08.some MPs on the right who prefer some MPs on the right who prefer

:04:08. > :04:09.some MPs on the right who prefer Nigel Farage to David Cameron, it's

:04:09. > :04:11.Nigel Farage to David Cameron, it's Nigel Farage to David Cameron, it's

:04:11. > :04:12.Nigel Farage to David Cameron, it's a fact. Chat to them, you hear it.

:04:12. > :04:14.a fact. Chat to them, you hear it. a fact. Chat to them, you hear it.

:04:14. > :04:16.a fact. Chat to them, you hear it. Not just on Europe. No, tax, public

:04:16. > :04:18.Not just on Europe. No, tax, public Not just on Europe. No, tax, public

:04:18. > :04:19.spending, across the board. He's a spending, across the board. He's a

:04:19. > :04:20.spending, across the board. He's a spending, across the board. He's a

:04:20. > :04:21.player now Mr Farage. It does mean player now Mr Farage. It does mean

:04:21. > :04:22.player now Mr Farage. It does mean Ed Miliband might be the fourth

:04:22. > :04:23.Ed Miliband might be the fourth Ed Miliband might be the fourth

:04:23. > :04:23.most interesting man in British most interesting man in British

:04:23. > :04:26.most interesting man in British politics after Cameron, Clegg and

:04:26. > :04:27.politics after Cameron, Clegg and politics after Cameron, Clegg and

:04:27. > :04:29.Farage. Mr Farage, you wouldn't go Farage. Mr Farage, you wouldn't go

:04:29. > :04:30.Farage. Mr Farage, you wouldn't go on this morning, he is usually

:04:30. > :04:31.on this morning, he is usually on this morning, he is usually

:04:31. > :04:32.on this morning, he is usually quite keen. We wanted to hear all

:04:32. > :04:33.quite keen. We wanted to hear all quite keen. We wanted to hear all

:04:33. > :04:34.about it. He's probably got a about it. He's probably got a

:04:34. > :04:36.about it. He's probably got a hangover after his night on the

:04:37. > :04:37.hangover after his night on the hangover after his night on the

:04:37. > :04:38.town. Which insect would you town. Which insect would you

:04:38. > :04:40.town. Which insect would you compare the Liberal Democrats to? I

:04:40. > :04:43.compare the Liberal Democrats to? I compare the Liberal Democrats to? I

:04:43. > :04:45.compare the Liberal Democrats to? I know what I would, a lovely bright

:04:46. > :04:46.know what I would, a lovely bright coloured ladybird. Or something

:04:46. > :04:48.coloured ladybird. Or something coloured ladybird. Or something

:04:48. > :04:50.yellow and black that could sting yellow and black that could sting

:04:50. > :04:52.yellow and black that could sting yellow and black that could sting

:04:52. > :04:54.you, like a wasp. But it's none of you, like a wasp. But it's none of

:04:54. > :04:55.you, like a wasp. But it's none of you, like a wasp. But it's none of

:04:55. > :04:56.these if the ask the Lib Dems these if the ask the Lib Dems

:04:56. > :04:57.these if the ask the Lib Dems themselves. It's an insect which is

:04:57. > :05:02.themselves. It's an insect which is themselves. It's an insect which is

:05:02. > :05:04.nocturnal and rather repulsive, the nocturnal and rather repulsive, the

:05:04. > :05:05.humble cockroach. There's Tim humble cockroach. There's Tim

:05:05. > :05:06.humble cockroach. There's Tim humble cockroach. There's Tim

:05:06. > :05:06.Farron, who made the comments in an Farron, who made the comments in an

:05:06. > :05:08.Farron, who made the comments in an interview with the House magazine.

:05:08. > :05:09.interview with the House magazine. interview with the House magazine.

:05:09. > :05:10.It's a comparison made before It's a comparison made before

:05:10. > :05:11.It's a comparison made before because the Lib Dems are supposed

:05:11. > :05:15.because the Lib Dems are supposed because the Lib Dems are supposed

:05:15. > :05:16.because the Lib Dems are supposed to be good at survival, like the

:05:16. > :05:17.to be good at survival, like the to be good at survival, like the

:05:17. > :05:18.cockroach after a nuclear winter. cockroach after a nuclear winter.

:05:18. > :05:19.cockroach after a nuclear winter. cockroach after a nuclear winter.

:05:19. > :05:21.He's also said that the Lib Dems He's also said that the Lib Dems

:05:21. > :05:22.He's also said that the Lib Dems are in a critical state, adding,

:05:22. > :05:23.are in a critical state, adding, are in a critical state, adding,

:05:23. > :05:25.are in a critical state, adding, "One day someone will stand on us

:05:25. > :05:27."One day someone will stand on us "One day someone will stand on us

:05:27. > :05:29.if we're not careful. We shouldn't if we're not careful. We shouldn't

:05:29. > :05:30.if we're not careful. We shouldn't assume our survival is guaranteed."

:05:30. > :05:31.assume our survival is guaranteed." assume our survival is guaranteed."

:05:31. > :05:32.This interview was carried out This interview was carried out

:05:32. > :05:32.This interview was carried out before the Eastleigh win. Some in

:05:32. > :05:34.before the Eastleigh win. Some in before the Eastleigh win. Some in

:05:34. > :05:34.before the Eastleigh win. Some in the party may feel they don't need

:05:34. > :05:37.the party may feel they don't need the party may feel they don't need

:05:37. > :05:38.the party may feel they don't need to retreat under the sofa just yet.

:05:38. > :05:39.to retreat under the sofa just yet. to retreat under the sofa just yet.

:05:39. > :05:40.to retreat under the sofa just yet. But one poll this morning shows the

:05:40. > :05:41.But one poll this morning shows the But one poll this morning shows the

:05:41. > :05:46.But one poll this morning shows the scale of the comal eng still facing

:05:46. > :05:50.scale of the comal eng still facing scale of the comal eng still facing

:05:50. > :05:51.the -- challenge still facing the the -- challenge still facing the

:05:51. > :05:52.the -- challenge still facing the leader. There was an opinion poll

:05:52. > :05:54.leader. There was an opinion poll leader. There was an opinion poll

:05:54. > :05:55.leader. There was an opinion poll which show that's less than a third

:05:55. > :05:56.which show that's less than a third which show that's less than a third

:05:56. > :05:57.which show that's less than a third of those who backed the Lib Dems in

:05:57. > :05:58.of those who backed the Lib Dems in of those who backed the Lib Dems in

:05:58. > :05:59.of those who backed the Lib Dems in 2010 in the election then would do

:05:59. > :06:01.2010 in the election then would do 2010 in the election then would do

:06:01. > :06:04.so if there was an election so if there was an election

:06:04. > :06:05.so if there was an election tomorrow. The party's had a few

:06:05. > :06:06.tomorrow. The party's had a few tomorrow. The party's had a few

:06:06. > :06:09.turbulent weeks, with Chris Huhne turbulent weeks, with Chris Huhne

:06:09. > :06:10.turbulent weeks, with Chris Huhne turbulent weeks, with Chris Huhne

:06:10. > :06:11.and his wife, or ex-wife facing a and his wife, or ex-wife facing a

:06:11. > :06:13.and his wife, or ex-wife facing a prison sentence over a criminal

:06:13. > :06:14.prison sentence over a criminal prison sentence over a criminal

:06:14. > :06:24.attempt to hide the former Energy attempt to hide the former Energy

:06:24. > :06:39.

:06:39. > :06:39.Women's Day. The allegations have to Women's Day. The allegations have to

:06:39. > :06:42.Women's Day. The allegations have to be addressed of sexual impropriety

:06:42. > :06:48.be addressed of sexual impropriety be addressed of sexual impropriety

:06:48. > :06:48.against former chief executive Lord against former chief executive Lord

:06:48. > :06:58.against former chief executive Lord rendered. Should be an interesting

:06:58. > :06:59.

:06:59. > :07:00.rendered. Should be an interesting rendered. Should be an interesting

:07:00. > :07:02.Lib Dem spring conference! Is your Lib Dem spring conference! Is your

:07:02. > :07:03.Lib Dem spring conference! Is your party in a critical condition?

:07:03. > :07:05.party in a critical condition? party in a critical condition?

:07:05. > :07:06.trouble with metaphors is that they trouble with metaphors is that they

:07:06. > :07:07.trouble with metaphors is that they trouble with metaphors is that they

:07:07. > :07:08.can be interpreted in a variety of can be interpreted in a variety of

:07:08. > :07:10.can be interpreted in a variety of ways. You could rewrite the script

:07:10. > :07:11.ways. You could rewrite the script ways. You could rewrite the script

:07:11. > :07:11.ways. You could rewrite the script the other way round, which says if

:07:11. > :07:13.the other way round, which says if the other way round, which says if

:07:13. > :07:16.you are a government party with you are a government party with

:07:16. > :07:17.you are a government party with term, with all those anxious and

:07:17. > :07:17.term, with all those anxious and term, with all those anxious and

:07:17. > :07:18.term, with all those anxious and awkward cloud sitting on top of you

:07:18. > :07:19.awkward cloud sitting on top of you awkward cloud sitting on top of you

:07:19. > :07:20.and you win a by-election, something and you win a by-election, something

:07:20. > :07:21.and you win a by-election, something and you win a by-election, something

:07:21. > :07:22.must be going right for you and must be going right for you and

:07:22. > :07:23.must be going right for you and must be going right for you and

:07:23. > :07:24.there is hope for the future. That there is hope for the future. That

:07:24. > :07:32.there is hope for the future. That there is hope for the future. That

:07:32. > :07:37.is what this sense for the party is what this sense for the party

:07:37. > :07:37.is what this sense for the party is what this sense for the party

:07:37. > :07:40.will be. I find it interesting, it will be. I find it interesting, it

:07:40. > :07:40.will be. I find it interesting, it will be. I find it interesting, it

:07:40. > :07:41.is not a compliment to analogy, so is not a compliment to analogy, so

:07:41. > :07:42.is not a compliment to analogy, so it is interesting that your own

:07:42. > :07:44.it is interesting that your own it is interesting that your own

:07:44. > :07:45.president would use what is regarded president would use what is regarded

:07:45. > :07:47.president would use what is regarded president would use what is regarded

:07:47. > :07:49.as a criticism of yourself by the as a criticism of yourself by the

:07:49. > :07:49.as a criticism of yourself by the as a criticism of yourself by the

:07:49. > :07:52.Tories. He used it before all stock Tories. He used it before all stock

:07:52. > :07:53.Tories. He used it before all stock Tories. He used it before all stock

:07:53. > :07:55.it was picked up by the Tories and it was picked up by the Tories and

:07:55. > :07:56.it was picked up by the Tories and he turned it back on itself.

:07:56. > :07:58.he turned it back on itself. he turned it back on itself.

:07:58. > :07:58.Metaphors get in your way sometimes. Metaphors get in your way sometimes.

:07:58. > :08:02.Metaphors get in your way sometimes. Only journalists get away with using

:08:02. > :08:03.Only journalists get away with using Only journalists get away with using

:08:03. > :08:04.them. But separate from the them. But separate from the

:08:04. > :08:05.them. But separate from the cockroach metaphor was the question

:08:05. > :08:06.cockroach metaphor was the question cockroach metaphor was the question

:08:06. > :08:07.cockroach metaphor was the question I asked you at the beginning. He

:08:07. > :08:07.I asked you at the beginning. He I asked you at the beginning. He

:08:07. > :08:11.I asked you at the beginning. He said the party was in a critical

:08:11. > :08:13.said the party was in a critical said the party was in a critical

:08:13. > :08:15.said the party was in a critical state. In the rest of the article,

:08:15. > :08:16.state. In the rest of the article, state. In the rest of the article,

:08:16. > :08:17.he said there are great challenges he said there are great challenges

:08:17. > :08:18.he said there are great challenges he said there are great challenges

:08:18. > :08:20.for our party, but we are in beta for our party, but we are in beta

:08:20. > :08:22.for our party, but we are in beta mode after Eastleigh. We won a

:08:22. > :08:23.mode after Eastleigh. We won a mode after Eastleigh. We won a

:08:23. > :08:26.mode after Eastleigh. We won a by-election. We know we are going in

:08:26. > :08:27.by-election. We know we are going in by-election. We know we are going in

:08:27. > :08:28.the right direction. As Mark Twain the right direction. As Mark Twain

:08:28. > :08:31.the right direction. As Mark Twain the right direction. As Mark Twain

:08:31. > :08:31.said, don't write us off yet, we are said, don't write us off yet, we are

:08:31. > :08:32.said, don't write us off yet, we are said, don't write us off yet, we are

:08:32. > :08:35.not dead. But did Mark Twain write not dead. But did Mark Twain write

:08:35. > :08:36.not dead. But did Mark Twain write not dead. But did Mark Twain write

:08:36. > :08:36.about the Lib Dems? The estimates of about the Lib Dems? The estimates of

:08:36. > :08:40.about the Lib Dems? The estimates of my death are much exaggerated, he

:08:40. > :08:41.my death are much exaggerated, he my death are much exaggerated, he

:08:41. > :08:42.wrote. He also satellite goes wrote. He also satellite goes

:08:42. > :08:42.wrote. He also satellite goes halfway round the world before the

:08:43. > :08:45.halfway round the world before the halfway round the world before the

:08:45. > :08:46.halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on. See,

:08:46. > :08:49.truth has got its boots on. See, truth has got its boots on. See,

:08:49. > :08:50.there are lots of metaphors around. there are lots of metaphors around.

:08:50. > :08:50.there are lots of metaphors around. there are lots of metaphors around.

:08:50. > :08:51.But we won a by-election in very But we won a by-election in very

:08:51. > :08:52.But we won a by-election in very But we won a by-election in very

:08:52. > :08:56.difficult times, and that puts us in difficult times, and that puts us in

:08:56. > :08:58.difficult times, and that puts us in an up beat mood. There are

:08:58. > :08:58.an up beat mood. There are an up beat mood. There are

:08:58. > :09:00.undoubtedly issues to clarify. undoubtedly issues to clarify.

:09:00. > :09:01.undoubtedly issues to clarify. undoubtedly issues to clarify.

:09:01. > :09:02.do you make of this poll by Michael do you make of this poll by Michael

:09:02. > :09:03.do you make of this poll by Michael Ashcroft which discovers that only

:09:03. > :09:07.Ashcroft which discovers that only Ashcroft which discovers that only

:09:07. > :09:08.Ashcroft which discovers that only 29% of those who voted for you in

:09:08. > :09:10.29% of those who voted for you in 29% of those who voted for you in

:09:10. > :09:12.29% of those who voted for you in 2010 would do so again? We have had

:09:12. > :09:13.2010 would do so again? We have had 2010 would do so again? We have had

:09:13. > :09:13.this before. People have said we this before. People have said we

:09:14. > :09:17.this before. People have said we will never survive, it is

:09:17. > :09:18.will never survive, it is will never survive, it is

:09:18. > :09:20.impossible. The reality is, when it impossible. The reality is, when it

:09:20. > :09:21.impossible. The reality is, when it comes to the real challenge that

:09:21. > :09:22.comes to the real challenge that comes to the real challenge that

:09:22. > :09:23.comes to the real challenge that people have to face up to who they

:09:23. > :09:25.people have to face up to who they people have to face up to who they

:09:25. > :09:26.people have to face up to who they want as their next MP, then they

:09:26. > :09:27.want as their next MP, then they want as their next MP, then they

:09:27. > :09:28.want as their next MP, then they make that decision. That is when the

:09:28. > :09:29.make that decision. That is when the make that decision. That is when the

:09:29. > :09:30.make that decision. That is when the reality hits in, and it has always

:09:30. > :09:32.reality hits in, and it has always reality hits in, and it has always

:09:32. > :09:33.reality hits in, and it has always been the case that we have outvoted

:09:33. > :09:37.been the case that we have outvoted been the case that we have outvoted

:09:37. > :09:38.all the predictions people have all the predictions people have

:09:38. > :09:42.all the predictions people have made. We have been talking about

:09:42. > :09:42.made. We have been talking about made. We have been talking about

:09:42. > :09:45.Theresa May's manoeuvres. When you Theresa May's manoeuvres. When you

:09:45. > :09:46.Theresa May's manoeuvres. When you have a party president who uses

:09:46. > :09:47.have a party president who uses have a party president who uses

:09:47. > :09:50.words like" we are cockroaches", it words like" we are cockroaches", it

:09:50. > :09:51.words like" we are cockroaches", it words like" we are cockroaches", it

:09:51. > :09:52.is hard not to conclude that Tim is hard not to conclude that Tim

:09:52. > :09:55.is hard not to conclude that Tim Farron is on manoeuvres as well,

:09:55. > :09:56.Farron is on manoeuvres as well, Farron is on manoeuvres as well,

:09:56. > :09:56.playing for position. Those are playing for position. Those are

:09:57. > :09:59.playing for position. Those are playing for position. Those are

:09:59. > :10:00.questions you would have to put to questions you would have to put to

:10:00. > :10:01.questions you would have to put to him. Personally, I think he is

:10:01. > :10:02.him. Personally, I think he is him. Personally, I think he is

:10:02. > :10:03.trying to make sure the Liberal trying to make sure the Liberal

:10:03. > :10:04.trying to make sure the Liberal trying to make sure the Liberal

:10:04. > :10:04.Democrats are at the top of the Democrats are at the top of the

:10:04. > :10:06.Democrats are at the top of the headlines, and he's using the

:10:06. > :10:07.headlines, and he's using the headlines, and he's using the

:10:07. > :10:10.headlines, and he's using the language he uses so well to make

:10:10. > :10:11.language he uses so well to make language he uses so well to make

:10:11. > :10:12.sure that happens. You get headlines sure that happens. You get headlines

:10:12. > :10:14.sure that happens. You get headlines sure that happens. You get headlines

:10:14. > :10:14.by saying we are in a critical by saying we are in a critical

:10:14. > :10:17.by saying we are in a critical state? The cockroaches reference has

:10:17. > :10:17.state? The cockroaches reference has brought great amusement to

:10:17. > :10:19.brought great amusement to brought great amusement to

:10:19. > :10:20.everybody, because it is reflecting everybody, because it is reflecting

:10:20. > :10:24.back something the Conservatives back something the Conservatives

:10:24. > :10:24.back something the Conservatives used against them. But people are

:10:25. > :10:28.used against them. But people are used against them. But people are

:10:28. > :10:31.laughing at you, not with you. laughing at you, not with you.

:10:31. > :10:32.laughing at you, not with you. People don't like cockroaches. To

:10:32. > :10:34.People don't like cockroaches. To People don't like cockroaches. To

:10:34. > :10:35.People don't like cockroaches. To compare yourself to one is barmy.

:10:35. > :10:35.compare yourself to one is barmy. compare yourself to one is barmy.

:10:35. > :10:36.compare yourself to one is barmy. did not say it was a metaphor I

:10:36. > :10:39.did not say it was a metaphor I did not say it was a metaphor I

:10:39. > :10:40.would use. It is colourful language. would use. It is colourful language.

:10:40. > :10:41.would use. It is colourful language. would use. It is colourful language.

:10:41. > :10:43.But he is the sort of person who But he is the sort of person who

:10:43. > :10:44.But he is the sort of person who uses those metaphors. All people

:10:44. > :10:44.uses those metaphors. All people uses those metaphors. All people

:10:44. > :10:46.uses those metaphors. All people want to do with cockroaches is get

:10:46. > :10:47.want to do with cockroaches is get want to do with cockroaches is get

:10:47. > :10:49.want to do with cockroaches is get rid of them! Well, he was saying

:10:50. > :10:51.rid of them! Well, he was saying rid of them! Well, he was saying

:10:51. > :10:55.rid of them! Well, he was saying they hang on and they will carry on

:10:56. > :10:56.they hang on and they will carry on they hang on and they will carry on

:10:57. > :10:57.they hang on and they will carry on and cannot be removed. It is not a

:10:57. > :11:03.and cannot be removed. It is not a and cannot be removed. It is not a

:11:03. > :11:04.metaphor I would collectively use, metaphor I would collectively use,

:11:04. > :11:06.metaphor I would collectively use, metaphor I would collectively use,

:11:06. > :11:07.but he has reversed it from the way but he has reversed it from the way

:11:07. > :11:08.but he has reversed it from the way but he has reversed it from the way

:11:08. > :11:08.it was used by the Conservatives. it was used by the Conservatives.

:11:08. > :11:10.it was used by the Conservatives. it was used by the Conservatives.

:11:10. > :11:11.Farren also said Mr Cameron was a Farren also said Mr Cameron was a

:11:11. > :11:12.Farren also said Mr Cameron was a Farren also said Mr Cameron was a

:11:12. > :11:12.weak Prime Minister and in the grasp weak Prime Minister and in the grasp

:11:12. > :11:17.weak Prime Minister and in the grasp weak Prime Minister and in the grasp

:11:17. > :11:27.of the right of his party. Would you of the right of his party. Would you

:11:27. > :11:28.

:11:28. > :11:33.agree? Since the beastly Eastleigh by-election! It was

:11:33. > :11:34.Eastleigh by-election! It was Eastleigh by-election! It was

:11:34. > :11:36.Eastleigh by-election! It was beastly for Cameron! But if you take

:11:36. > :11:37.beastly for Cameron! But if you take beastly for Cameron! But if you take

:11:38. > :11:40.beastly for Cameron! But if you take the fact that he said he would not

:11:40. > :11:42.the fact that he said he would not the fact that he said he would not

:11:42. > :11:45.react to the situation, in reality, react to the situation, in reality,

:11:46. > :11:46.react to the situation, in reality, react to the situation, in reality,

:11:46. > :11:50.there are predators on the right who there are predators on the right who

:11:50. > :11:51.there are predators on the right who were gnawing away at his authority.

:11:51. > :11:52.were gnawing away at his authority. were gnawing away at his authority.

:11:52. > :11:53.There are certainly plenty of people There are certainly plenty of people

:11:53. > :11:54.There are certainly plenty of people There are certainly plenty of people

:11:54. > :11:55.who will talk openly about the fact who will talk openly about the fact

:11:55. > :11:56.who will talk openly about the fact that they don't like the direction

:11:56. > :11:58.that they don't like the direction that they don't like the direction

:11:58. > :11:58.the Conservative party has taken. the Conservative party has taken.

:11:58. > :11:59.the Conservative party has taken. the Conservative party has taken.

:11:59. > :12:00.the Conservative party has taken. Why is it only the Lib Dems who give

:12:00. > :12:00.Why is it only the Lib Dems who give Why is it only the Lib Dems who give

:12:01. > :12:03.Why is it only the Lib Dems who give us a sex scandal that does not

:12:03. > :12:04.us a sex scandal that does not us a sex scandal that does not

:12:04. > :12:05.us a sex scandal that does not involve any sex? I don't know! There

:12:05. > :12:09.involve any sex? I don't know! There involve any sex? I don't know! There

:12:09. > :12:10.must be something buried somewhere. must be something buried somewhere.

:12:10. > :12:11.must be something buried somewhere. must be something buried somewhere.

:12:11. > :12:12.There is a big issue for us in There is a big issue for us in

:12:12. > :12:13.There is a big issue for us in There is a big issue for us in

:12:13. > :12:17.ensuring that we make sure we get to ensuring that we make sure we get to

:12:17. > :12:18.ensuring that we make sure we get to ensuring that we make sure we get to

:12:18. > :12:19.the bottom of this. It is a serious the bottom of this. It is a serious

:12:19. > :12:19.the bottom of this. It is a serious the bottom of this. It is a serious

:12:19. > :12:20.issue. You are only doing it because issue. You are only doing it because

:12:20. > :12:21.issue. You are only doing it because issue. You are only doing it because

:12:21. > :12:23.the press wrote it to the public's the press wrote it to the public's

:12:23. > :12:26.the press wrote it to the public's attention. The party were right to

:12:26. > :12:27.attention. The party were right to attention. The party were right to

:12:27. > :12:29.attention. The party were right to make sure we get to the bottom of

:12:29. > :12:31.make sure we get to the bottom of make sure we get to the bottom of

:12:31. > :12:31.make sure we get to the bottom of this. But they did not act when the

:12:31. > :12:32.this. But they did not act when the this. But they did not act when the

:12:32. > :12:33.allegations were made. The real allegations were made. The real

:12:33. > :12:34.allegations were made. The real allegations were made. The real

:12:34. > :12:35.issue is not getting to the bottom issue is not getting to the bottom

:12:35. > :12:38.issue is not getting to the bottom issue is not getting to the bottom

:12:38. > :12:39.of who put whose hands on whose of who put whose hands on whose

:12:39. > :12:41.of who put whose hands on whose knees, the difficulty for the Lib

:12:41. > :12:42.knees, the difficulty for the Lib knees, the difficulty for the Lib

:12:42. > :12:43.knees, the difficulty for the Lib Dems is that you have been trying to

:12:43. > :12:43.Dems is that you have been trying to Dems is that you have been trying to

:12:43. > :12:48.establish yourself as a serious establish yourself as a serious

:12:48. > :12:49.establish yourself as a serious establish yourself as a serious

:12:49. > :12:50.party of government, and now you are party of government, and now you are

:12:50. > :12:50.party of government, and now you are bickering over who has been doing

:12:51. > :12:54.bickering over who has been doing bickering over who has been doing

:12:54. > :12:56.bickering over who has been doing what to whom, who is going to

:12:56. > :12:56.what to whom, who is going to what to whom, who is going to

:12:56. > :12:59.prison, what the investigation will prison, what the investigation will

:12:59. > :13:00.prison, what the investigation will find out. It is all trivial

:13:00. > :13:01.find out. It is all trivial find out. It is all trivial

:13:01. > :13:04.occurring, all the things the public occurring, all the things the public

:13:04. > :13:06.occurring, all the things the public occurring, all the things the public

:13:06. > :13:06.hate about politics. I agree. But as hate about politics. I agree. But as

:13:06. > :13:07.hate about politics. I agree. But as hate about politics. I agree. But as

:13:07. > :13:08.with all things, once you start to with all things, once you start to

:13:08. > :13:09.with all things, once you start to with all things, once you start to

:13:09. > :13:10.put them right and once you get put them right and once you get

:13:10. > :13:11.put them right and once you get these issues clarified, these things

:13:11. > :13:13.these issues clarified, these things these issues clarified, these things

:13:13. > :13:14.pass away because they are resolved. pass away because they are resolved.

:13:14. > :13:15.pass away because they are resolved. pass away because they are resolved.

:13:15. > :13:19.There will be a resolution to both There will be a resolution to both

:13:19. > :13:22.There will be a resolution to both There will be a resolution to both

:13:22. > :13:23.of these issues. But it is trivial. of these issues. But it is trivial.

:13:23. > :13:24.of these issues. But it is trivial. Well, the stuff about Lord rendered

:13:24. > :13:28.Well, the stuff about Lord rendered Well, the stuff about Lord rendered

:13:28. > :13:29.Well, the stuff about Lord rendered is about an abuse of power. They

:13:29. > :13:32.is about an abuse of power. They is about an abuse of power. They

:13:32. > :13:33.felt he was intimidating. Then you felt he was intimidating. Then you

:13:33. > :13:34.felt he was intimidating. Then you get the party president talking

:13:34. > :13:35.get the party president talking get the party president talking

:13:35. > :13:36.about cockroaches. Then there was about cockroaches. Then there was

:13:36. > :13:38.about cockroaches. Then there was about cockroaches. Then there was

:13:39. > :13:39.who knew what, when and where about who knew what, when and where about

:13:39. > :13:40.who knew what, when and where about who knew what, when and where about

:13:40. > :13:41.Vince Cable and Nick Clegg. Are you Vince Cable and Nick Clegg. Are you

:13:41. > :13:43.Vince Cable and Nick Clegg. Are you Vince Cable and Nick Clegg. Are you

:13:43. > :13:45.going to have an enquiry into that? going to have an enquiry into that?

:13:45. > :13:49.going to have an enquiry into that? going to have an enquiry into that?

:13:49. > :13:49.The reality about the third issue is The reality about the third issue is

:13:49. > :13:51.The reality about the third issue is that those people accused have

:13:51. > :13:52.that those people accused have that those people accused have

:13:52. > :13:53.that those people accused have denied it and said there did not

:13:53. > :13:54.denied it and said there did not denied it and said there did not

:13:54. > :13:55.know anything. When somebody has know anything. When somebody has

:13:55. > :13:56.know anything. When somebody has know anything. When somebody has

:13:56. > :13:57.pleaded not guilty to a crime, right pleaded not guilty to a crime, right

:13:57. > :13:58.pleaded not guilty to a crime, right pleaded not guilty to a crime, right

:13:58. > :13:58.the way through to the last minute, the way through to the last minute,

:13:58. > :13:59.the way through to the last minute, the way through to the last minute,

:13:59. > :14:00.you would expect that does not turn you would expect that does not turn

:14:00. > :14:05.you would expect that does not turn round and say to somebody else,

:14:05. > :14:07.round and say to somebody else, round and say to somebody else,

:14:07. > :14:07.actually... They all use this famous actually... They all use this famous

:14:08. > :14:10.actually... They all use this famous phrase we heard in the Leveson

:14:11. > :14:11.phrase we heard in the Leveson phrase we heard in the Leveson

:14:11. > :14:12.Inquiry, I don't recollect. That is Inquiry, I don't recollect. That is

:14:12. > :14:15.Inquiry, I don't recollect. That is different from saying no, they never

:14:15. > :14:15.different from saying no, they never different from saying no, they never

:14:15. > :14:16.different from saying no, they never told me that. It is only because

:14:16. > :14:17.told me that. It is only because told me that. It is only because

:14:17. > :14:18.told me that. It is only because they are trying to make sure that if

:14:18. > :14:18.they are trying to make sure that if they are trying to make sure that if

:14:18. > :14:20.they are trying to make sure that if they have to go back to their

:14:20. > :14:25.they have to go back to their they have to go back to their

:14:25. > :14:26.they have to go back to their files, to make sure you are right.

:14:26. > :14:28.files, to make sure you are right. files, to make sure you are right.

:14:28. > :14:28.files, to make sure you are right. If Mrs hoon had told you, my husband

:14:28. > :14:30.If Mrs hoon had told you, my husband If Mrs hoon had told you, my husband

:14:30. > :14:32.made me take his speeding points, made me take his speeding points,

:14:33. > :14:34.made me take his speeding points, you would have remembered that. You

:14:34. > :14:35.you would have remembered that. You you would have remembered that. You

:14:35. > :14:38.would not have said, I can't would not have said, I can't

:14:38. > :14:38.would not have said, I can't recollect. If you don't remember it,

:14:38. > :14:39.recollect. If you don't remember it, recollect. If you don't remember it,

:14:39. > :14:41.recollect. If you don't remember it, it you don't remember it, so it

:14:41. > :14:43.it you don't remember it, so it it you don't remember it, so it

:14:43. > :14:43.didn't happen. Not really, it could didn't happen. Not really, it could

:14:43. > :14:48.didn't happen. Not really, it could have happened, you have just

:14:48. > :14:49.have happened, you have just have happened, you have just

:14:49. > :14:50.forgotten. It is something you would forgotten. It is something you would

:14:50. > :14:51.forgotten. It is something you would have remembered. If you don't

:14:51. > :14:52.have remembered. If you don't have remembered. If you don't

:14:53. > :14:53.remember, it didn't happen. remember, it didn't happen.

:14:53. > :14:54.remember, it didn't happen. remember, it didn't happen.

:14:54. > :14:56.should not be a minister if you should not be a minister if you

:14:56. > :15:00.should not be a minister if you can't remember something like that!

:15:00. > :15:00.can't remember something like that! can't remember something like that!

:15:00. > :15:02.Prime ministers and repeated prime Prime ministers and repeated prime

:15:02. > :15:04.ministers and government ministers ministers and government ministers

:15:04. > :15:05.ministers and government ministers ministers and government ministers

:15:05. > :15:06.ministers and government ministers of all sorts have to use the sort of

:15:06. > :15:07.of all sorts have to use the sort of of all sorts have to use the sort of

:15:07. > :15:17.language which is not the colourful language which is not the colourful

:15:17. > :15:22.

:15:22. > :15:22.metaphors but party president stews.

:15:22. > :15:25.stews. stews.

:15:25. > :15:28.It is International Women's Day It is International Women's Day

:15:28. > :15:29.It is International Women's Day It is International Women's Day

:15:29. > :15:33.today and it is a time that even today and it is a time that even

:15:33. > :15:37.today and it is a time that even Tory MPs are asking questions. Here

:15:37. > :15:38.Tory MPs are asking questions. Here is unlikely feminist Mark

:15:38. > :15:39.is unlikely feminist Mark is unlikely feminist Mark

:15:39. > :15:41.Pritchard, raising the subject with Pritchard, raising the subject with

:15:41. > :15:42.Pritchard, raising the subject with Pritchard, raising the subject with

:15:42. > :15:43.David Cameron. On the 8th of March, David Cameron. On the 8th of March,

:15:43. > :15:45.we celebrate International Women's we celebrate International Women's

:15:45. > :15:47.we celebrate International Women's Day. With the prime minister jointly

:15:47. > :15:48.Day. With the prime minister jointly Day. With the prime minister jointly

:15:48. > :15:49.in calling upon the Indian and in calling upon the Indian and

:15:49. > :15:49.in calling upon the Indian and Pakistani governments to do more to

:15:50. > :15:51.Pakistani governments to do more to Pakistani governments to do more to

:15:51. > :15:55.Pakistani governments to do more to uphold the rights of women and to

:15:55. > :15:56.uphold the rights of women and to uphold the rights of women and to

:15:56. > :15:57.advance the gender agenda? advance the gender agenda?

:15:57. > :15:59.advance the gender agenda? honourable friend is right to raise

:15:59. > :16:00.honourable friend is right to raise honourable friend is right to raise

:16:00. > :16:03.this. There are some particular this. There are some particular

:16:03. > :16:04.this. There are some particular this. There are some particular

:16:04. > :16:06.issues we should focus on, and that issues we should focus on, and that

:16:06. > :16:06.issues we should focus on, and that is female genital mutilation, a

:16:06. > :16:07.is female genital mutilation, a completely unacceptable practice

:16:07. > :16:09.completely unacceptable practice completely unacceptable practice

:16:09. > :16:10.completely unacceptable practice that we need to deal with across the

:16:10. > :16:11.that we need to deal with across the that we need to deal with across the

:16:11. > :16:12.that we need to deal with across the world, but including here in the UK,

:16:12. > :16:13.world, but including here in the UK, world, but including here in the UK,

:16:13. > :16:14.and we will make an announcement and we will make an announcement

:16:14. > :16:14.and we will make an announcement and we will make an announcement

:16:14. > :16:17.about that. But we should also do about that. But we should also do

:16:17. > :16:18.about that. But we should also do more to crack down on the

:16:18. > :16:21.more to crack down on the unacceptable practice of forced

:16:21. > :16:22.unacceptable practice of forced marriages. There are forced

:16:23. > :16:24.marriages. There are forced marriages. There are forced

:16:24. > :16:26.marriages taking place here with marriages taking place here with

:16:26. > :16:28.marriages taking place here with marriages taking place here with

:16:28. > :16:29.people from the UK, and we need to stop it.

:16:29. > :16:30.stop it. stop it.

:16:30. > :16:30.We are joined to discuss We are joined to discuss

:16:30. > :16:32.We are joined to discuss International Women's Day and a

:16:32. > :16:33.International Women's Day and a International Women's Day and a

:16:33. > :16:36.future of feminism by Laura Bates future of feminism by Laura Bates

:16:36. > :16:41.future of feminism by Laura Bates from the Everyday Sexism project and

:16:41. > :16:42.from the Everyday Sexism project and from the Everyday Sexism project and

:16:42. > :16:43.academic Catherine Hakim. Let's look academic Catherine Hakim. Let's look

:16:43. > :16:43.academic Catherine Hakim. Let's look academic Catherine Hakim. Let's look

:16:43. > :16:44.at the position of women in Britain at the position of women in Britain

:16:44. > :16:47.at the position of women in Britain at the position of women in Britain

:16:47. > :16:48.to begin with and move on to the to begin with and move on to the

:16:48. > :16:51.to begin with and move on to the wider situation. Is feminism still a

:16:51. > :16:52.wider situation. Is feminism still a wider situation. Is feminism still a

:16:52. > :16:56.relevant agenda with much still to relevant agenda with much still to

:16:56. > :16:57.relevant agenda with much still to relevant agenda with much still to

:16:57. > :16:58.achieve in Britain in 2013? I have achieve in Britain in 2013? I have

:16:58. > :16:59.achieve in Britain in 2013? I have always taken the view that feminism

:16:59. > :17:00.always taken the view that feminism always taken the view that feminism

:17:00. > :17:01.always taken the view that feminism always taken the view that feminism

:17:01. > :17:03.is here to stay in the sense that it is here to stay in the sense that it

:17:03. > :17:04.informs young women's attitudes informs young women's attitudes

:17:04. > :17:05.informs young women's attitudes which take their rights for granted.

:17:05. > :17:07.which take their rights for granted. which take their rights for granted.

:17:07. > :17:10.which take their rights for granted. They feel they have a voice and a

:17:10. > :17:11.They feel they have a voice and a They feel they have a voice and a

:17:11. > :17:11.They feel they have a voice and a place in public life. In that sense,

:17:11. > :17:13.place in public life. In that sense, place in public life. In that sense,

:17:13. > :17:16.place in public life. In that sense, it lives on and is permanent. But as

:17:16. > :17:18.it lives on and is permanent. But as it lives on and is permanent. But as

:17:18. > :17:18.it lives on and is permanent. But as a social movement, it is aired in

:17:18. > :17:19.a social movement, it is aired in a social movement, it is aired in

:17:19. > :17:22.a social movement, it is aired in the sense that very few young women

:17:22. > :17:23.the sense that very few young women the sense that very few young women

:17:23. > :17:25.nowadays think it has anything to nowadays think it has anything to

:17:25. > :17:28.nowadays think it has anything to say to them personally. Laura

:17:28. > :17:29.say to them personally. Laura say to them personally. Laura

:17:29. > :17:30.say to them personally. Laura Bates? I think you are wrong. I have

:17:30. > :17:31.Bates? I think you are wrong. I have Bates? I think you are wrong. I have

:17:31. > :17:41.Bates? I think you are wrong. I have been going up and down the week

:17:41. > :17:50.

:17:50. > :17:51.been going up and down the week look at facts in a wider context.

:17:51. > :17:53.look at facts in a wider context. look at facts in a wider context.

:17:53. > :17:55.look at facts in a wider context. At the moment we have an equalities

:17:55. > :17:57.At the moment we have an equalities commission which is about

:17:57. > :17:58.commission which is about preventing discrimination not just

:17:58. > :17:59.preventing discrimination not just preventing discrimination not just

:17:59. > :18:03.against women but against everybody. against women but against everybody.

:18:03. > :18:04.against women but against everybody. against women but against everybody.

:18:04. > :18:06.They carried out a survey to and They carried out a survey to and

:18:06. > :18:07.They carried out a survey to and asked, "Do you feel discriminated

:18:07. > :18:08.asked, "Do you feel discriminated asked, "Do you feel discriminated

:18:08. > :18:12.against?" About half of all women against?" About half of all women

:18:12. > :18:14.against?" About half of all women against?" About half of all women

:18:14. > :18:15.said yes. That was publicised as a said yes. That was publicised as a

:18:15. > :18:16.said yes. That was publicised as a major finding. They were a bit

:18:16. > :18:18.major finding. They were a bit major finding. They were a bit

:18:18. > :18:19.dishonest. They didn't tell you the dishonest. They didn't tell you the

:18:19. > :18:20.dishonest. They didn't tell you the rest of the results. The results

:18:20. > :18:21.rest of the results. The results rest of the results. The results

:18:21. > :18:23.rest of the results. The results also showed that half of all men

:18:23. > :18:24.also showed that half of all men also showed that half of all men

:18:24. > :18:26.feel discriminated against. Half of feel discriminated against. Half of

:18:26. > :18:28.all whites feel discriminated all whites feel discriminated

:18:28. > :18:29.all whites feel discriminated all whites feel discriminated

:18:29. > :18:31.against. As well as half of All against. As well as half of All

:18:31. > :18:32.against. As well as half of All Blacks. If we're all being

:18:32. > :18:35.Blacks. If we're all being discriminated against, who's doing

:18:35. > :18:36.discriminated against, who's doing the discriminating? We're talking

:18:36. > :18:37.the discriminating? We're talking the discriminating? We're talking

:18:37. > :18:39.about a level playing field. When about a level playing field. When

:18:39. > :18:40.about a level playing field. When about a level playing field. When

:18:40. > :18:41.you go to the new societies and you go to the new societies and

:18:41. > :18:43.you go to the new societies and younger women getting involved in

:18:43. > :18:45.younger women getting involved in younger women getting involved in

:18:45. > :18:46.the feminist movement what are the the feminist movement what are the

:18:46. > :18:47.the feminist movement what are the headlines of the agenda today? We

:18:47. > :18:47.headlines of the agenda today? We headlines of the agenda today? We

:18:47. > :18:49.headlines of the agenda today? We know what the headlines were in the

:18:49. > :18:50.know what the headlines were in the know what the headlines were in the

:18:50. > :18:52.know what the headlines were in the 60s and 70s. Some of that has been

:18:52. > :18:54.60s and 70s. Some of that has been 60s and 70s. Some of that has been

:18:54. > :18:55.achieved. What is a feminist agenda achieved. What is a feminist agenda

:18:55. > :18:56.achieved. What is a feminist agenda achieved. What is a feminist agenda

:18:56. > :18:58.in Britain for the 21st century? in Britain for the 21st century?

:18:59. > :19:00.certainly think it's really certainly think it's really

:19:00. > :19:01.certainly think it's really important that I absolutely cannot

:19:01. > :19:02.important that I absolutely cannot important that I absolutely cannot

:19:02. > :19:03.agree that feminism has no further agree that feminism has no further

:19:04. > :19:05.agree that feminism has no further agree that feminism has no further

:19:05. > :19:07.to go and equality hasn't been won. to go and equality hasn't been won.

:19:07. > :19:08.to go and equality hasn't been won. That's the headline point. These

:19:08. > :19:09.That's the headline point. These That's the headline point. These

:19:09. > :19:10.young women are standing up and young women are standing up and

:19:10. > :19:11.young women are standing up and saying it's time for equal

:19:11. > :19:12.saying it's time for equal representation in Parliament. It's

:19:12. > :19:14.representation in Parliament. It's time to achieve better

:19:14. > :19:15.time to achieve better time to achieve better

:19:15. > :19:17.representation at the tops of big representation at the tops of big

:19:17. > :19:17.representation at the tops of big business abouts. Young women are

:19:18. > :19:19.business abouts. Young women are business abouts. Young women are

:19:19. > :19:20.standing up about things which standing up about things which

:19:20. > :19:21.standing up about things which impact on them individually. Huge

:19:21. > :19:22.impact on them individually. Huge impact on them individually. Huge

:19:22. > :19:23.impact on them individually. Huge numbers of huge girls and women at

:19:23. > :19:24.numbers of huge girls and women at numbers of huge girls and women at

:19:24. > :19:25.university have been writing in university have been writing in

:19:25. > :19:26.university have been writing in saying I've had enough of being

:19:26. > :19:26.saying I've had enough of being saying I've had enough of being

:19:26. > :19:28.saying I've had enough of being shouted at in the street. I've had

:19:28. > :19:28.shouted at in the street. I've had shouted at in the street. I've had

:19:28. > :19:30.shouted at in the street. I've had shouted at in the street. I've had

:19:30. > :19:31.enough of going to a bar or a club enough of going to a bar or a club

:19:31. > :19:32.enough of going to a bar or a club and actually having strangers come

:19:32. > :19:32.and actually having strangers come and actually having strangers come

:19:33. > :19:34.and actually having strangers come up and feel they have the right to

:19:34. > :19:36.up and feel they have the right to up and feel they have the right to

:19:36. > :19:37.touch me and grope me. We've touch me and grope me. We've

:19:37. > :19:38.collected 25,000 women's collected 25,000 women's

:19:38. > :19:40.collected 25,000 women's experiences of that kind of thing.

:19:40. > :19:40.experiences of that kind of thing. experiences of that kind of thing.

:19:40. > :19:46.experiences of that kind of thing. Maybe they shouldn't go to Lib Dem

:19:46. > :19:47.Maybe they shouldn't go to Lib Dem conferences! It's interesting

:19:47. > :19:48.conferences! It's interesting conferences! It's interesting

:19:48. > :19:49.that's the issues that you're that's the issues that you're

:19:49. > :19:49.that's the issues that you're talking about and that's been an

:19:50. > :19:52.talking about and that's been an talking about and that's been an

:19:52. > :19:54.issue for women throughout the ages. issue for women throughout the ages.

:19:54. > :19:55.issue for women throughout the ages. issue for women throughout the ages.

:19:55. > :20:00.But on the issues of you're still But on the issues of you're still

:20:00. > :20:01.But on the issues of you're still way under represented in Parliament.

:20:02. > :20:03.way under represented in Parliament. way under represented in Parliament.

:20:03. > :20:05.On company, corporate boards you're On company, corporate boards you're

:20:05. > :20:06.On company, corporate boards you're way under represented as well. Are

:20:06. > :20:07.way under represented as well. Are way under represented as well. Are

:20:07. > :20:08.these issues that matter to younger these issues that matter to younger

:20:08. > :20:09.these issues that matter to younger these issues that matter to younger

:20:09. > :20:10.people as well as it being safe to people as well as it being safe to

:20:10. > :20:11.people as well as it being safe to people as well as it being safe to

:20:11. > :20:13.go to a pub and have a drink go to a pub and have a drink

:20:13. > :20:14.without being pestered? Absolutely. without being pestered? Absolutely.

:20:14. > :20:15.without being pestered? Absolutely. I think these things are filtering

:20:15. > :20:16.I think these things are filtering I think these things are filtering

:20:16. > :20:17.I think these things are filtering down. We saw the story this week of

:20:17. > :20:18.down. We saw the story this week of down. We saw the story this week of

:20:18. > :20:21.world class debaters when they world class debaters when they

:20:21. > :20:22.world class debaters when they world class debaters when they

:20:22. > :20:22.tried to take part in a prestigious tried to take part in a prestigious

:20:22. > :20:24.tried to take part in a prestigious debating competition at the Glasgow

:20:25. > :20:26.debating competition at the Glasgow university union were heckled,

:20:26. > :20:27.university union were heckled, university union were heckled,

:20:27. > :20:28.shouted down and screamed at just shouted down and screamed at just

:20:28. > :20:29.shouted down and screamed at just because of their sex. These young

:20:29. > :20:31.because of their sex. These young because of their sex. These young

:20:31. > :20:33.because of their sex. These young women are standing up and saying we

:20:33. > :20:34.women are standing up and saying we women are standing up and saying we

:20:34. > :20:35.women are standing up and saying we won't accept that. If you listen to

:20:35. > :20:37.won't accept that. If you listen to won't accept that. If you listen to

:20:37. > :20:39.won't accept that. If you listen to that, there's a long way to go and

:20:39. > :20:40.that, there's a long way to go and that, there's a long way to go and

:20:40. > :20:41.that, there's a long way to go and an agenda to keep femme nists busy

:20:41. > :20:42.an agenda to keep femme nists busy an agenda to keep femme nists busy

:20:42. > :20:44.an agenda to keep femme nists busy for the rest of this sunch ef

:20:44. > :20:45.for the rest of this sunch ef for the rest of this sunch ef

:20:45. > :20:47.century. Women are inclined to century. Women are inclined to

:20:47. > :20:48.century. Women are inclined to expect Equality for women means

:20:48. > :20:48.expect Equality for women means expect Equality for women means

:20:48. > :20:50.expect Equality for women means some social utopia is going to be

:20:50. > :20:52.some social utopia is going to be some social utopia is going to be

:20:52. > :20:53.offered. That's not the real world. offered. That's not the real world.

:20:53. > :20:55.offered. That's not the real world. Maybe just fairness rather than

:20:55. > :20:56.Maybe just fairness rather than Maybe just fairness rather than

:20:56. > :20:57.utopia. All that can be delivered utopia. All that can be delivered

:20:57. > :20:58.utopia. All that can be delivered by legislation and good policy is

:20:58. > :21:00.by legislation and good policy is by legislation and good policy is

:21:00. > :21:01.equal opportunities. It's a tough equal opportunities. It's a tough

:21:01. > :21:03.equal opportunities. It's a tough world out there. It's very

:21:03. > :21:04.world out there. It's very world out there. It's very

:21:04. > :21:05.competitive. A lot of young women competitive. A lot of young women

:21:05. > :21:07.competitive. A lot of young women are not really prepared for the

:21:07. > :21:08.are not really prepared for the are not really prepared for the

:21:08. > :21:09.are not really prepared for the degree to which that's true. One of

:21:09. > :21:11.degree to which that's true. One of degree to which that's true. One of

:21:11. > :21:12.the most interesting results that's the most interesting results that's

:21:12. > :21:13.the most interesting results that's been published recently in the

:21:13. > :21:15.been published recently in the been published recently in the

:21:16. > :21:16.Financial Times today is a study, Financial Times today is a study,

:21:16. > :21:18.globally looking at women's globally looking at women's

:21:18. > :21:19.globally looking at women's achievement of top management jobs

:21:19. > :21:21.achievement of top management jobs around the world. What's

:21:21. > :21:23.around the world. What's around the world. What's

:21:23. > :21:25.interesting and I think is probably interesting and I think is probably

:21:25. > :21:26.interesting and I think is probably the case, even though their measure

:21:26. > :21:28.the case, even though their measure the case, even though their measure

:21:28. > :21:30.the case, even though their measure is a bit wonky, is that women are

:21:30. > :21:30.is a bit wonky, is that women are is a bit wonky, is that women are

:21:30. > :21:35.more likely to achieve top more likely to achieve top

:21:35. > :21:36.more likely to achieve top management positions in the BRIC

:21:36. > :21:37.management positions in the BRIC management positions in the BRIC

:21:37. > :21:38.countries than in the highly countries than in the highly

:21:38. > :21:39.countries than in the highly developed economies of the Western

:21:39. > :21:40.developed economies of the Western developed economies of the Western

:21:40. > :21:41.developed economies of the Western world. We have this idea that we're

:21:41. > :21:43.world. We have this idea that we're world. We have this idea that we're

:21:43. > :21:44.world. We have this idea that we're way ahead of the game. But what

:21:44. > :21:46.way ahead of the game. But what way ahead of the game. But what

:21:46. > :21:47.we're doing in the Western world we're doing in the Western world

:21:47. > :21:49.we're doing in the Western world are offering women real choices to

:21:49. > :21:50.are offering women real choices to are offering women real choices to

:21:51. > :21:52.stay at home and be fulltime stay at home and be fulltime

:21:52. > :21:53.mothers, fulltime housewives if mothers, fulltime housewives if

:21:53. > :21:54.mothers, fulltime housewives if that's what they want. Real choice

:21:54. > :21:55.that's what they want. Real choice that's what they want. Real choice

:21:55. > :21:56.that's what they want. Real choice to be parttime workers and have a

:21:56. > :21:57.to be parttime workers and have a to be parttime workers and have a

:21:57. > :21:59.to be parttime workers and have a job but not a career or to be

:21:59. > :22:01.job but not a career or to be job but not a career or to be

:22:01. > :22:02.careerist. That's a choice. I have careerist. That's a choice. I have

:22:02. > :22:03.careerist. That's a choice. I have careerist. That's a choice. I have

:22:03. > :22:03.a lot of sympathy with that. Of a lot of sympathy with that. Of

:22:03. > :22:04.a lot of sympathy with that. Of a lot of sympathy with that. Of

:22:04. > :22:05.course it would be nice to see more course it would be nice to see more

:22:05. > :22:07.course it would be nice to see more women in Parliament, though the

:22:07. > :22:08.women in Parliament, though the women in Parliament, though the

:22:08. > :22:09.position has improved, but I do position has improved, but I do

:22:10. > :22:11.position has improved, but I do position has improved, but I do

:22:11. > :22:12.think that women, girls have got to think that women, girls have got to

:22:12. > :22:13.think that women, girls have got to get off their bottoms, not get

:22:14. > :22:14.get off their bottoms, not get get off their bottoms, not get

:22:14. > :22:17.get off their bottoms, not get together in a great group and have

:22:17. > :22:17.together in a great group and have together in a great group and have

:22:17. > :22:19.together in a great group and have a movement for -- for more women,

:22:19. > :22:20.a movement for -- for more women, a movement for -- for more women,

:22:20. > :22:20.the women's party, they need to the women's party, they need to

:22:20. > :22:22.the women's party, they need to stand as individuals for whatever

:22:22. > :22:23.stand as individuals for whatever stand as individuals for whatever

:22:23. > :22:24.stand as individuals for whatever party they want to. Agree with you

:22:24. > :22:25.party they want to. Agree with you party they want to. Agree with you

:22:25. > :22:26.that often we're behind other that often we're behind other

:22:26. > :22:27.that often we're behind other countries, even behind I mean

:22:27. > :22:29.countries, even behind I mean countries, even behind I mean

:22:29. > :22:30.countries, even behind I mean Norway is better than us on putting

:22:30. > :22:32.Norway is better than us on putting Norway is better than us on putting

:22:32. > :22:33.women on boards for instance. women on boards for instance.

:22:33. > :22:34.women on boards for instance. women on boards for instance.

:22:34. > :22:36.had legislation put in. Yes and I had legislation put in. Yes and I

:22:36. > :22:39.had legislation put in. Yes and I had legislation put in. Yes and I

:22:39. > :22:42.think Spain is going to. Labour had women-only short lists. That's how

:22:42. > :22:43.women-only short lists. That's how you make the leap forward. That's

:22:43. > :22:44.you make the leap forward. That's you make the leap forward. That's

:22:44. > :22:45.how you change Parliament. It's how you change Parliament. It's

:22:45. > :22:46.how you change Parliament. It's Labour having Harriet Harman and

:22:46. > :22:47.Labour having Harriet Harman and others. My grandmother couldn't

:22:47. > :22:50.others. My grandmother couldn't others. My grandmother couldn't

:22:50. > :22:50.vote. We have moved forward, but vote. We have moved forward, but

:22:50. > :22:52.vote. We have moved forward, but women are... Are you allowed to

:22:52. > :22:53.women are... Are you allowed to women are... Are you allowed to

:22:53. > :22:56.women are... Are you allowed to vote? I am.How did that happen?

:22:56. > :22:58.vote? I am.How did that happen? don't know. It's extremely

:22:58. > :22:58.don't know. It's extremely don't know. It's extremely

:22:58. > :23:00.disingenuous to suggest that women disingenuous to suggest that women

:23:01. > :23:02.disingenuous to suggest that women disingenuous to suggest that women

:23:02. > :23:03.are to blame for their own lack of are to blame for their own lack of

:23:03. > :23:04.are to blame for their own lack of equality. Whilst it's true that

:23:04. > :23:05.equality. Whilst it's true that equality. Whilst it's true that

:23:05. > :23:06.women have to put themselves women have to put themselves

:23:06. > :23:08.women have to put themselves forward, women are doing that

:23:08. > :23:09.forward, women are doing that forward, women are doing that

:23:09. > :23:11.actually. We've seen huge numbers actually. We've seen huge numbers

:23:11. > :23:14.actually. We've seen huge numbers actually. We've seen huge numbers

:23:14. > :23:17.of women in knows situations and in of women in knows situations and in

:23:17. > :23:20.of women in knows situations and in Parliament take Stella Creasey when

:23:20. > :23:22.Parliament take Stella Creasey when Parliament take Stella Creasey when

:23:22. > :23:23.she's standing up in PMQ's, she she's standing up in PMQ's, she

:23:23. > :23:25.she's standing up in PMQ's, she she's standing up in PMQ's, she

:23:25. > :23:27.gets tweets asking her to get her gets tweets asking her to get her

:23:27. > :23:28.gets tweets asking her to get her jugs out. I spoke to Emily

:23:28. > :23:28.jugs out. I spoke to Emily jugs out. I spoke to Emily

:23:29. > :23:30.jugs out. I spoke to Emily Thornbury and she said when she was

:23:30. > :23:31.Thornbury and she said when she was Thornbury and she said when she was

:23:31. > :23:32.running for office eight years ago running for office eight years ago

:23:32. > :23:33.running for office eight years ago she received so many death threats

:23:33. > :23:34.she received so many death threats she received so many death threats

:23:34. > :23:36.she received so many death threats because she was a woman running for

:23:36. > :23:36.because she was a woman running for because she was a woman running for

:23:36. > :23:39.Parliament, she had to move your Parliament, she had to move your

:23:39. > :23:40.Parliament, she had to move your children out of her home. You're

:23:40. > :23:40.children out of her home. You're children out of her home. You're

:23:41. > :23:41.children out of her home. You're never going to stop men leering at

:23:41. > :23:43.never going to stop men leering at never going to stop men leering at

:23:43. > :23:43.never going to stop men leering at women. That is the way of the world

:23:43. > :23:44.women. That is the way of the world women. That is the way of the world

:23:44. > :23:45.I'm afraid. You've both said that's I'm afraid. You've both said that's

:23:45. > :23:46.I'm afraid. You've both said that's I'm afraid. You've both said that's

:23:46. > :23:47.the way of the world. I'm not the way of the world. I'm not

:23:47. > :23:47.the way of the world. I'm not the way of the world. I'm not

:23:48. > :23:49.prepared to accept when you look at prepared to accept when you look at

:23:49. > :23:50.prepared to accept when you look at the fact that research this week

:23:50. > :23:51.the fact that research this week the fact that research this week

:23:51. > :23:53.the fact that research this week has shown that we have the highest

:23:53. > :23:54.has shown that we have the highest has shown that we have the highest

:23:54. > :23:57.level of young girls in this level of young girls in this

:23:57. > :23:59.level of young girls in this country at risk of female genital

:23:59. > :24:01.country at risk of female genital country at risk of female genital

:24:01. > :24:02.mutilation of anywhere in the world, mutilation of anywhere in the world,

:24:02. > :24:03.mutilation of anywhere in the world, that over 400,000 women are

:24:04. > :24:04.that over 400,000 women are that over 400,000 women are

:24:04. > :24:05.sexually assaulted each year, and sexually assaulted each year, and

:24:06. > :24:07.sexually assaulted each year, and 80,000 raped each year, I'm not

:24:07. > :24:08.80,000 raped each year, I'm not 80,000 raped each year, I'm not

:24:08. > :24:10.prepared to say there's no further prepared to say there's no further

:24:10. > :24:11.prepared to say there's no further for the feminism movement to go.

:24:11. > :24:12.for the feminism movement to go. for the feminism movement to go.

:24:12. > :24:14.for the feminism movement to go. But she's young and ready to change

:24:14. > :24:15.But she's young and ready to change But she's young and ready to change

:24:15. > :24:17.it. Absolutely. And so are it. Absolutely. And so are

:24:17. > :24:17.it. Absolutely. And so are thousands of others in this country.

:24:18. > :24:20.thousands of others in this country. thousands of others in this country.

:24:20. > :24:21.Can I bring in the international Can I bring in the international

:24:21. > :24:22.Can I bring in the international scene, you can have an argument

:24:22. > :24:23.scene, you can have an argument scene, you can have an argument

:24:23. > :24:24.about how far women's rights have about how far women's rights have

:24:24. > :24:25.about how far women's rights have about how far women's rights have

:24:25. > :24:27.gone in Britain and how far they gone in Britain and how far they

:24:27. > :24:29.gone in Britain and how far they have to go. But there are

:24:29. > :24:31.have to go. But there are horrendous examples of maltreatment

:24:31. > :24:32.horrendous examples of maltreatment horrendous examples of maltreatment

:24:32. > :24:34.and discrimination against women in and discrimination against women in

:24:34. > :24:37.countries like China, India, countries like China, India,

:24:37. > :24:39.countries like China, India, Pakistan, correct? There is a big

:24:39. > :24:40.Pakistan, correct? There is a big Pakistan, correct? There is a big

:24:40. > :24:42.Pakistan, correct? There is a big plight there. There was a rape in

:24:42. > :24:46.plight there. There was a rape in India which attracted great

:24:46. > :24:48.India which attracted great India which attracted great

:24:48. > :24:49.attention, yes. That's it, yes? attention, yes. That's it, yes?

:24:49. > :24:50.attention, yes. That's it, yes? one in three women will be

:24:50. > :24:55.one in three women will be one in three women will be

:24:55. > :24:57.subjected to rape in her lifetime. subjected to rape in her lifetime.

:24:57. > :24:59.Sexual violence is regularly Sexual violence is regularly

:24:59. > :25:00.expanded to mean everything expanded to mean everything

:25:00. > :25:01.included occasional touching. included occasional touching.

:25:01. > :25:01.included occasional touching. interesting that you should say

:25:01. > :25:02.interesting that you should say interesting that you should say

:25:02. > :25:03.interesting that you should say that, under the law in this country,

:25:03. > :25:05.that, under the law in this country, that, under the law in this country,

:25:05. > :25:07.that, under the law in this country, if somebody touches you in a sexual

:25:07. > :25:08.if somebody touches you in a sexual if somebody touches you in a sexual

:25:08. > :25:09.way without content that is defined way without content that is defined

:25:09. > :25:10.way without content that is defined way without content that is defined

:25:10. > :25:11.as sexual assault. As we've seen in as sexual assault. As we've seen in

:25:11. > :25:13.as sexual assault. As we've seen in the media, when these stories come

:25:13. > :25:15.the media, when these stories come the media, when these stories come

:25:15. > :25:16.up, we see countless articles TV up, we see countless articles TV

:25:16. > :25:17.up, we see countless articles TV shows saying should women put up

:25:17. > :25:18.shows saying should women put up shows saying should women put up

:25:18. > :25:19.shows saying should women put up with a bit of touching s, a grope

:25:19. > :25:20.with a bit of touching s, a grope with a bit of touching s, a grope

:25:20. > :25:21.with a bit of touching s, a grope really such a big deal? Hang on,

:25:21. > :25:22.really such a big deal? Hang on, really such a big deal? Hang on,

:25:22. > :25:24.this is something that women are this is something that women are

:25:24. > :25:26.this is something that women are protected from under the law. It's

:25:26. > :25:27.protected from under the law. It's protected from under the law. It's

:25:27. > :25:27.defined as sexual assault and we're defined as sexual assault and we're

:25:27. > :25:29.defined as sexual assault and we're debating whether women should put

:25:29. > :25:30.debating whether women should put debating whether women should put

:25:30. > :25:32.up with it. They're protected by up with it. They're protected by

:25:32. > :25:34.up with it. They're protected by law. Social attitudes need to

:25:34. > :25:35.law. Social attitudes need to law. Social attitudes need to

:25:35. > :25:36.change. That's why feminism is such change. That's why feminism is such

:25:36. > :25:37.change. That's why feminism is such a lively movement today. You've

:25:38. > :25:39.a lively movement today. You've a lively movement today. You've

:25:39. > :25:39.a lively movement today. You've come on and told us what you're

:25:40. > :25:40.come on and told us what you're come on and told us what you're

:25:40. > :25:43.doing on International Women's Day. doing on International Women's Day.

:25:43. > :25:44.Thank you both. Thank you both.

:25:44. > :25:46.Thank you both. Thank you both.

:25:46. > :25:47.Now some things in life are certain Now some things in life are certain

:25:47. > :25:48.Now some things in life are certain - death, taxes, Justin Bieber being

:25:48. > :25:50.- death, taxes, Justin Bieber being - death, taxes, Justin Bieber being

:25:50. > :25:51.late for the next concert, then late for the next concert, then

:25:51. > :25:52.late for the next concert, then there's the outko. Referendum this

:25:53. > :25:55.there's the outko. Referendum this there's the outko. Referendum this

:25:55. > :25:56.weekend in the Falklands asking weekend in the Falklands asking

:25:56. > :25:57.weekend in the Falklands asking islanders whether they witch to

:25:57. > :25:58.islanders whether they witch to islanders whether they witch to

:25:58. > :25:59.remain a British overseas territory. remain a British overseas territory.

:25:59. > :25:59.remain a British overseas territory. remain a British overseas territory.

:25:59. > :26:01.We know the answer already, so what We know the answer already, so what

:26:01. > :26:01.We know the answer already, so what We know the answer already, so what

:26:02. > :26:04.is the point of the question. Let's is the point of the question. Let's

:26:04. > :26:07.is the point of the question. Let's go to Caroline Wyatt in Port

:26:07. > :26:08.go to Caroline Wyatt in Port go to Caroline Wyatt in Port

:26:09. > :26:11.Stanley. We know the result already, Stanley. We know the result already,

:26:11. > :26:13.Stanley. We know the result already, Stanley. We know the result already,

:26:13. > :26:15.it will be a huge vote for the it will be a huge vote for the

:26:15. > :26:16.it will be a huge vote for the Falklands to stay "British". I

:26:16. > :26:17.Falklands to stay "British". I Falklands to stay "British". I

:26:17. > :26:18.suggest they will take things suggest they will take things

:26:18. > :26:19.suggest they will take things seriously. What is the mood? Well,

:26:19. > :26:21.seriously. What is the mood? Well, seriously. What is the mood? Well,

:26:21. > :26:22.it's interesting that you say that. it's interesting that you say that.

:26:22. > :26:24.it's interesting that you say that. We've been asking people, why, when

:26:24. > :26:24.We've been asking people, why, when We've been asking people, why, when

:26:25. > :26:26.it seems pretty clear from every it seems pretty clear from every

:26:26. > :26:27.it seems pretty clear from every single person we've spoken to that

:26:27. > :26:28.single person we've spoken to that single person we've spoken to that

:26:28. > :26:30.single person we've spoken to that they will vote yes, why have the

:26:30. > :26:31.they will vote yes, why have the they will vote yes, why have the

:26:31. > :26:32.they will vote yes, why have the referendum at all? It's not so that

:26:32. > :26:33.referendum at all? It's not so that referendum at all? It's not so that

:26:33. > :26:34.the Falkland islanders know what the Falkland islanders know what

:26:34. > :26:36.the Falkland islanders know what they want, it's so that Argentina,

:26:36. > :26:37.they want, it's so that Argentina, they want, it's so that Argentina,

:26:37. > :26:39.they want, it's so that Argentina, the rest of the world can hear the

:26:39. > :26:40.the rest of the world can hear the the rest of the world can hear the

:26:40. > :26:42.voice of the Falkland islanders. voice of the Falkland islanders.

:26:42. > :26:44.voice of the Falkland islanders. They have been deeply stung not

:26:44. > :26:45.They have been deeply stung not They have been deeply stung not

:26:45. > :26:48.just by Argentina's constant, what just by Argentina's constant, what

:26:48. > :26:49.just by Argentina's constant, what they see as bullying, harassing

:26:49. > :26:50.they see as bullying, harassing they see as bullying, harassing

:26:50. > :26:51.fishing ships, trying to stop fishing ships, trying to stop

:26:51. > :26:52.economic activity here, but economic activity here, but

:26:52. > :26:54.economic activity here, but continuing to claim the Falklands

:26:54. > :26:56.continuing to claim the Falklands continuing to claim the Falklands

:26:56. > :26:57.continuing to claim the Falklands as their own. Other the other week

:26:57. > :26:58.as their own. Other the other week the Argentinian Foreign Minister

:26:58. > :26:59.the Argentinian Foreign Minister the Argentinian Foreign Minister

:26:59. > :27:00.the Argentinian Foreign Minister when he went to London saying that

:27:00. > :27:01.when he went to London saying that when he went to London saying that

:27:01. > :27:02.the Falkland islanders didn't count the Falkland islanders didn't count

:27:02. > :27:03.the Falkland islanders didn't count because they were British implants,

:27:03. > :27:04.because they were British implants, because they were British implants,

:27:04. > :27:05.not a native population. The not a native population. The

:27:05. > :27:05.not a native population. The islanders here are very determined

:27:05. > :27:06.islanders here are very determined islanders here are very determined

:27:06. > :27:10.islanders here are very determined to go to the polls this Sunday and

:27:10. > :27:11.to go to the polls this Sunday and to go to the polls this Sunday and

:27:11. > :27:12.Monday. To make their voices heard Monday. To make their voices heard

:27:12. > :27:13.Monday. To make their voices heard Monday. To make their voices heard

:27:13. > :27:14.and say to the world, this is what and say to the world, this is what

:27:14. > :27:15.and say to the world, this is what and say to the world, this is what

:27:15. > :27:17.we want. The question is simple. It we want. The question is simple. It

:27:17. > :27:18.we want. The question is simple. It is "Do you wish the Falkland

:27:18. > :27:19.is "Do you wish the Falkland is "Do you wish the Falkland

:27:19. > :27:21.Islands to retain their current Islands to retain their current

:27:21. > :27:22.Islands to retain their current political status as an overseas

:27:22. > :27:23.political status as an overseas political status as an overseas

:27:23. > :27:24.territory of the United Kingdom - territory of the United Kingdom -

:27:24. > :27:25.territory of the United Kingdom - territory of the United Kingdom -

:27:25. > :27:28.yes or no?" So far we haven't found yes or no?" So far we haven't found

:27:28. > :27:30.yes or no?" So far we haven't found a single No voteer yet.

:27:30. > :27:32.a single No voteer yet. a single No voteer yet.

:27:32. > :27:33.Do the Falkland islanders feel that Do the Falkland islanders feel that

:27:33. > :27:34.Do the Falkland islanders feel that Do the Falkland islanders feel that

:27:34. > :27:36.they may be near unanimous in their they may be near unanimous in their

:27:36. > :27:37.they may be near unanimous in their desire to stay a British overseas

:27:37. > :27:38.desire to stay a British overseas desire to stay a British overseas

:27:38. > :27:39.territory, but no matter how big territory, but no matter how big

:27:39. > :27:40.territory, but no matter how big the majority for, that the

:27:40. > :27:41.the majority for, that the the majority for, that the

:27:41. > :27:45.Argentineans might not take a blind Argentineans might not take a blind

:27:45. > :27:47.Argentineans might not take a blind Argentineans might not take a blind

:27:47. > :27:48.bit of notice of it? I think there bit of notice of it? I think there

:27:48. > :27:49.bit of notice of it? I think there is that fear. People here would

:27:49. > :27:50.is that fear. People here would is that fear. People here would

:27:50. > :27:51.is that fear. People here would love Argentina to listen. A lot of

:27:51. > :27:54.love Argentina to listen. A lot of love Argentina to listen. A lot of

:27:54. > :27:56.love Argentina to listen. A lot of them say that it's being used, the

:27:56. > :27:59.them say that it's being used, the them say that it's being used, the

:27:59. > :28:01.Falklands, as a domestic political Falklands, as a domestic political

:28:01. > :28:02.Falklands, as a domestic political Falklands, as a domestic political

:28:02. > :28:03.issue to carry popularity at a time issue to carry popularity at a time

:28:03. > :28:04.issue to carry popularity at a time of great economic difficulty. What

:28:04. > :28:05.of great economic difficulty. What of great economic difficulty. What

:28:05. > :28:08.has worried them over the past has worried them over the past

:28:08. > :28:10.has worried them over the past has worried them over the past

:28:10. > :28:11.years is the stuff that's been put years is the stuff that's been put

:28:11. > :28:13.years is the stuff that's been put out by Buenos Aries is being

:28:13. > :28:14.out by Buenos Aries is being believed about the Falkland

:28:14. > :28:15.believed about the Falkland believed about the Falkland

:28:15. > :28:16.islanders not having a legitimate islanders not having a legitimate

:28:16. > :28:18.islanders not having a legitimate claim. That's where the referendum

:28:18. > :28:19.claim. That's where the referendum claim. That's where the referendum

:28:19. > :28:20.claim. That's where the referendum is aimed, at other nations in South

:28:20. > :28:22.is aimed, at other nations in South is aimed, at other nations in South

:28:22. > :28:23.America, to America for example, America, to America for example,

:28:23. > :28:24.America, to America for example, because John Kerry was very non-

:28:24. > :28:25.because John Kerry was very non- because John Kerry was very non-

:28:25. > :28:27.because John Kerry was very non- committal when he came to the UK

:28:27. > :28:27.committal when he came to the UK committal when he came to the UK

:28:27. > :28:28.when asked what America's position when asked what America's position

:28:28. > :28:29.when asked what America's position when asked what America's position

:28:29. > :28:30.was. He didn't seem keen to comment was. He didn't seem keen to comment

:28:30. > :28:31.was. He didn't seem keen to comment was. He didn't seem keen to comment

:28:31. > :28:32.on it. They would really like to on it. They would really like to

:28:32. > :28:33.on it. They would really like to on it. They would really like to

:28:33. > :28:34.try and get the support of America try and get the support of America

:28:34. > :28:35.try and get the support of America try and get the support of America

:28:35. > :28:36.and other allies and within the UN and other allies and within the UN

:28:36. > :28:37.and other allies and within the UN and other allies and within the UN

:28:37. > :28:40.as well, where this is still being as well, where this is still being

:28:40. > :28:41.as well, where this is still being discussed as an issue within the

:28:41. > :28:43.discussed as an issue within the UN's decolonisation committee.

:28:43. > :28:44.UN's decolonisation committee. final question, it's interesting,

:28:44. > :28:45.final question, it's interesting, final question, it's interesting,

:28:45. > :28:47.there are now substantial British there are now substantial British

:28:47. > :28:49.forces defending the Falklands, forces defending the Falklands,

:28:49. > :28:51.forces defending the Falklands, unlike the situation in 1982. My

:28:51. > :28:54.unlike the situation in 1982. My understanding is that the

:28:54. > :28:55.understanding is that the understanding is that the

:28:55. > :28:56.Argentinian military is, it hasn't Argentinian military is, it hasn't

:28:56. > :28:57.Argentinian military is, it hasn't been modernised, it's still the

:28:57. > :28:59.been modernised, it's still the been modernised, it's still the

:28:59. > :29:01.been modernised, it's still the same it was in 1982, unlike the

:29:01. > :29:02.same it was in 1982, unlike the same it was in 1982, unlike the

:29:02. > :29:04.British military, which is hugely British military, which is hugely

:29:04. > :29:05.British military, which is hugely modernised. Is there any real fear

:29:05. > :29:06.modernised. Is there any real fear modernised. Is there any real fear

:29:06. > :29:10.in the Falklands that there could in the Falklands that there could

:29:10. > :29:11.in the Falklands that there could be another invasion? I've asked a

:29:11. > :29:12.be another invasion? I've asked a be another invasion? I've asked a

:29:12. > :29:13.be another invasion? I've asked a lot of people this and you get

:29:13. > :29:15.lot of people this and you get lot of people this and you get

:29:15. > :29:16.different answers. For the most different answers. For the most

:29:16. > :29:17.different answers. For the most part people say no. They don't

:29:17. > :29:18.part people say no. They don't part people say no. They don't

:29:18. > :29:20.part people say no. They don't believe it. They think it will be

:29:20. > :29:21.believe it. They think it will be believe it. They think it will be

:29:21. > :29:22.believe it. They think it will be confined to rhetoric and it will be

:29:22. > :29:22.confined to rhetoric and it will be confined to rhetoric and it will be

:29:22. > :29:24.confined to rhetoric and it will be a war of words. Though Argentina is

:29:24. > :29:24.a war of words. Though Argentina is a war of words. Though Argentina is

:29:24. > :29:26.a war of words. Though Argentina is not in a fit state militarily to

:29:26. > :29:27.not in a fit state militarily to not in a fit state militarily to

:29:27. > :29:28.not in a fit state militarily to try to launch anything. I asked a

:29:28. > :29:29.try to launch anything. I asked a local representative yesterday here

:29:29. > :29:30.local representative yesterday here local representative yesterday here

:29:31. > :29:32.local representative yesterday here what she thought and she said well

:29:32. > :29:33.what she thought and she said well what she thought and she said well

:29:33. > :29:33.we really don't believe that we really don't believe that

:29:33. > :29:35.we really don't believe that anything military would happen from

:29:35. > :29:36.anything military would happen from anything military would happen from

:29:36. > :29:37.Argentina, but we think there could Argentina, but we think there could

:29:37. > :29:39.Argentina, but we think there could Argentina, but we think there could

:29:39. > :29:40.be a stunt of some sort. They've be a stunt of some sort. They've

:29:40. > :29:42.had incidents where Argentineans had incidents where Argentineans

:29:42. > :29:43.had incidents where Argentineans coming over here have planted flags,

:29:43. > :29:45.coming over here have planted flags, coming over here have planted flags,

:29:45. > :29:46.for example. You saw during the for example. You saw during the

:29:46. > :29:47.for example. You saw during the for example. You saw during the

:29:47. > :29:48.London Olympics that ad put out by London Olympics that ad put out by

:29:48. > :29:50.London Olympics that ad put out by Argentina with one of their runners

:29:50. > :29:51.Argentina with one of their runners Argentina with one of their runners

:29:51. > :29:53.saying we train on Argentinian soil saying we train on Argentinian soil

:29:53. > :29:54.saying we train on Argentinian soil saying we train on Argentinian soil

:29:54. > :29:56.to run on British soil which was to run on British soil which was

:29:56. > :29:57.to run on British soil which was filmed in a guerrilla campaign here

:29:57. > :29:58.filmed in a guerrilla campaign here filmed in a guerrilla campaign here

:29:58. > :29:59.filmed in a guerrilla campaign here on one of the war memorials here.

:29:59. > :29:59.on one of the war memorials here. on one of the war memorials here.

:29:59. > :30:01.on one of the war memorials here. No, I don't think there's a real

:30:01. > :30:05.No, I don't think there's a real No, I don't think there's a real

:30:05. > :30:06.fear of military invasion. But the fear of military invasion. But the

:30:06. > :30:07.fear of military invasion. But the eknom tactics, not allowing screws

:30:07. > :30:08.eknom tactics, not allowing screws eknom tactics, not allowing screws

:30:08. > :30:10.ships to land in Argentina in ships to land in Argentina in

:30:10. > :30:12.ships to land in Argentina in ships to land in Argentina in

:30:12. > :30:13.they've landed here, and the war of they've landed here, and the war of

:30:13. > :30:14.they've landed here, and the war of words over the potentially rich oil

:30:14. > :30:16.words over the potentially rich oil words over the potentially rich oil

:30:16. > :30:17.fields. That looks likely to get fields. That looks likely to get

:30:17. > :30:18.fields. That looks likely to get worse, with Argentina trying to

:30:18. > :30:19.worse, with Argentina trying to worse, with Argentina trying to

:30:19. > :30:21.rally support in South America to rally support in South America to

:30:21. > :30:23.rally support in South America to keep Falkland islanders out of

:30:23. > :30:24.keep Falkland islanders out of keep Falkland islanders out of

:30:24. > :30:25.international symposium so if they international symposium so if they

:30:25. > :30:26.international symposium so if they try to go to international

:30:27. > :30:28.try to go to international conference on fishing Argentina

:30:28. > :30:28.conference on fishing Argentina conference on fishing Argentina

:30:29. > :30:30.conference on fishing Argentina will ask organise ez not to allow

:30:30. > :30:31.will ask organise ez not to allow will ask organise ez not to allow

:30:31. > :30:32.will ask organise ez not to allow them to come. Those are the daily

:30:32. > :30:32.them to come. Those are the daily them to come. Those are the daily

:30:33. > :30:42.harassment they would like to see harassment they would like to see

:30:43. > :30:54.

:30:54. > :30:54.We are joined now by the We are joined now by the

:30:54. > :30:56.Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell,

:30:56. > :31:00.secretary of the all-party secretary of the all-party

:31:00. > :31:03.Parliamentary group on the Parliamentary group on the

:31:03. > :31:04.Parliamentary group on the Falklands. I guess the danger is

:31:04. > :31:05.Falklands. I guess the danger is Falklands. I guess the danger is

:31:05. > :31:06.that the Falklands people will that the Falklands people will

:31:06. > :31:08.clearly voted overwhelmingly to clearly voted overwhelmingly to

:31:08. > :31:09.clearly voted overwhelmingly to retain their existing status, but it

:31:09. > :31:10.retain their existing status, but it retain their existing status, but it

:31:10. > :31:12.will not make any difference not will not make any difference not

:31:12. > :31:13.will not make any difference not just to Argentina, but to the

:31:13. > :31:13.just to Argentina, but to the just to Argentina, but to the

:31:13. > :31:14.increasing voices that Argentina can increasing voices that Argentina can

:31:14. > :31:17.increasing voices that Argentina can increasing voices that Argentina can

:31:17. > :31:18.count on as allies in South America? count on as allies in South America?

:31:18. > :31:19.count on as allies in South America? count on as allies in South America?

:31:19. > :31:20.count on as allies in South America? I am not sure in the long term that

:31:20. > :31:21.I am not sure in the long term that I am not sure in the long term that

:31:21. > :31:23.the so-called allies of Argentina the so-called allies of Argentina

:31:23. > :31:26.the so-called allies of Argentina are that supportive. They are just

:31:26. > :31:28.are that supportive. They are just are that supportive. They are just

:31:28. > :31:28.fed up with Argentina continuously fed up with Argentina continuously

:31:28. > :31:30.fed up with Argentina continuously going on about this subject. The

:31:30. > :31:31.going on about this subject. The going on about this subject. The

:31:31. > :31:32.going on about this subject. The idea of having a referendum is to

:31:32. > :31:33.idea of having a referendum is to idea of having a referendum is to

:31:33. > :31:34.idea of having a referendum is to make it clear to the world that

:31:34. > :31:36.make it clear to the world that make it clear to the world that

:31:36. > :31:36.actually, the people of the Falkland actually, the people of the Falkland

:31:36. > :31:37.actually, the people of the Falkland Islands, like any other colony,

:31:37. > :31:38.Islands, like any other colony, Islands, like any other colony,

:31:38. > :31:40.should have the right to determine should have the right to determine

:31:40. > :31:43.should have the right to determine their own future. When that result

:31:43. > :31:45.their own future. When that result is known, any self-respecting

:31:45. > :31:46.is known, any self-respecting is known, any self-respecting

:31:46. > :31:47.democracy would say actually, the democracy would say actually, the

:31:47. > :31:51.democracy would say actually, the Falkland Islanders have the right to

:31:51. > :31:53.Falkland Islanders have the right to Falkland Islanders have the right to

:31:53. > :31:55.make that decision. That is make that decision. That is

:31:55. > :31:56.make that decision. That is absolutely right. The object of the

:31:57. > :31:57.absolutely right. The object of the absolutely right. The object of the

:31:57. > :31:58.exercise must be to stop Argentina exercise must be to stop Argentina

:31:58. > :32:03.exercise must be to stop Argentina saying, it is just a British

:32:03. > :32:03.saying, it is just a British saying, it is just a British

:32:03. > :32:04.saying, it is just a British colony, and to show that it is

:32:04. > :32:05.colony, and to show that it is self-determination. That will make

:32:05. > :32:07.self-determination. That will make self-determination. That will make

:32:07. > :32:09.self-determination. That will make it harder for the rest of the world

:32:09. > :32:10.it harder for the rest of the world it harder for the rest of the world

:32:10. > :32:11.it harder for the rest of the world to say oh, well, it is all

:32:11. > :32:11.to say oh, well, it is all to say oh, well, it is all

:32:11. > :32:12.to say oh, well, it is all colonialism and we have to get rid

:32:12. > :32:13.colonialism and we have to get rid colonialism and we have to get rid

:32:13. > :32:14.colonialism and we have to get rid of it. Andrew, as part of an

:32:14. > :32:16.of it. Andrew, as part of an of it. Andrew, as part of an

:32:16. > :32:17.all-party group, I would not have all-party group, I would not have

:32:17. > :32:18.all-party group, I would not have thought that there is any argument

:32:18. > :32:19.thought that there is any argument thought that there is any argument

:32:19. > :32:22.thought that there is any argument with that apart from on the left

:32:22. > :32:24.with that apart from on the left with that apart from on the left

:32:24. > :32:25.fringes of Labour? They are witty fringes of Labour? They are witty

:32:25. > :32:26.fringes of Labour? They are witty unanimous. In 1982, Michael foot was

:32:26. > :32:26.unanimous. In 1982, Michael foot was unanimous. In 1982, Michael foot was

:32:26. > :32:29.unanimous. In 1982, Michael foot was in favour of sending in a task

:32:29. > :32:31.in favour of sending in a task in favour of sending in a task

:32:31. > :32:32.force. What the Falkland Islands are force. What the Falkland Islands are

:32:32. > :32:33.force. What the Falkland Islands are doing is what the Gibraltar

:32:33. > :32:35.doing is what the Gibraltar doing is what the Gibraltar

:32:35. > :32:39.residents did ten years ago. They residents did ten years ago. They

:32:39. > :32:41.residents did ten years ago. They organised their own referendum. The

:32:41. > :32:41.organised their own referendum. The organised their own referendum. The

:32:41. > :32:43.organised their own referendum. The foreign office, as well as Spain and

:32:43. > :32:44.foreign office, as well as Spain and foreign office, as well as Spain and

:32:44. > :32:47.Gibraltar, were told, look, we want Gibraltar, were told, look, we want

:32:47. > :32:48.Gibraltar, were told, look, we want Gibraltar, were told, look, we want

:32:48. > :32:49.to remain part of Britain. It is a to remain part of Britain. It is a

:32:49. > :32:51.to remain part of Britain. It is a to remain part of Britain. It is a

:32:51. > :32:52.political issue, but it is also a political issue, but it is also a

:32:52. > :32:57.problem with Britain's relations problem with Britain's relations

:32:57. > :32:57.problem with Britain's relations problem with Britain's relations

:32:57. > :33:00.with the rest of South America. with the rest of South America.

:33:00. > :33:01.with the rest of South America. with the rest of South America.

:33:01. > :33:02.you think they are just doing it you think they are just doing it

:33:02. > :33:05.you think they are just doing it you think they are just doing it

:33:05. > :33:07.when there is no real support for when there is no real support for

:33:07. > :33:08.when there is no real support for Argentina? What is your evidence for

:33:08. > :33:09.Argentina? What is your evidence for Argentina? What is your evidence for

:33:09. > :33:10.that? Most Latin American countries that? Most Latin American countries

:33:10. > :33:12.that? Most Latin American countries will of course support Argentina

:33:12. > :33:13.will of course support Argentina will of course support Argentina

:33:13. > :33:15.publicly, but privately, it is not publicly, but privately, it is not

:33:15. > :33:16.publicly, but privately, it is not publicly, but privately, it is not

:33:16. > :33:17.an issue for them will stop the an issue for them will stop the

:33:17. > :33:19.an issue for them will stop the Falkland Islanders have that right

:33:19. > :33:20.Falkland Islanders have that right Falkland Islanders have that right

:33:20. > :33:21.of self-determination. They are not of self-determination. They are not

:33:21. > :33:25.of self-determination. They are not a colony, they are a British

:33:25. > :33:25.a colony, they are a British a colony, they are a British

:33:25. > :33:26.overseas territory. I would favour overseas territory. I would favour

:33:26. > :33:32.overseas territory. I would favour joint sovereignty, if you could do

:33:32. > :33:38.joint sovereignty, if you could do joint sovereignty, if you could do

:33:38. > :33:38.it. America would like the problem it. America would like the problem

:33:38. > :33:39.it. America would like the problem settled. How can you have joint

:33:39. > :33:40.settled. How can you have joint settled. How can you have joint

:33:40. > :33:41.sovereignty of the will of the sovereignty of the will of the

:33:41. > :33:44.sovereignty of the will of the sovereignty of the will of the

:33:44. > :33:47.people is clear that they want to people is clear that they want to

:33:47. > :33:48.people is clear that they want to remain British? You could treat it

:33:48. > :33:48.remain British? You could treat it remain British? You could treat it

:33:48. > :33:49.remain British? You could treat it like a passport to Pimlico and say,

:33:49. > :33:53.like a passport to Pimlico and say, like a passport to Pimlico and say,

:33:53. > :33:53.like a passport to Pimlico and say, you can do what you like. You have

:33:53. > :33:59.you can do what you like. You have you can do what you like. You have

:33:59. > :34:00.to take the view of everybody. to take the view of everybody.

:34:00. > :34:01.to take the view of everybody. Wouldn't the view of joint

:34:01. > :34:03.Wouldn't the view of joint Wouldn't the view of joint

:34:03. > :34:04.sovereignty be that the Argentinians sovereignty be that the Argentinians

:34:04. > :34:06.sovereignty be that the Argentinians would then ship in 5000 Argentinians

:34:06. > :34:06.would then ship in 5000 Argentinians would then ship in 5000 Argentinians

:34:06. > :34:09.and have another referendum? I am and have another referendum? I am

:34:09. > :34:09.and have another referendum? I am and have another referendum? I am

:34:09. > :34:13.sure they would. But you could have sure they would. But you could have

:34:13. > :34:14.sure they would. But you could have immigration rules to deal with it.

:34:14. > :34:15.immigration rules to deal with it. immigration rules to deal with it.

:34:15. > :34:16.immigration rules to deal with it. And Buenos Aires have got it wrong.

:34:16. > :34:17.And Buenos Aires have got it wrong. And Buenos Aires have got it wrong.

:34:17. > :34:17.And Buenos Aires have got it wrong. They should try to coax them with

:34:17. > :34:19.They should try to coax them with They should try to coax them with

:34:19. > :34:21.kind person, not cruise ships. kind person, not cruise ships.

:34:21. > :34:22.kind person, not cruise ships. kind person, not cruise ships.

:34:22. > :34:24.their economy is in a mess. But it their economy is in a mess. But it

:34:24. > :34:24.their economy is in a mess. But it their economy is in a mess. But it

:34:24. > :34:25.is a democracy, so I don't think is a democracy, so I don't think

:34:25. > :34:27.is a democracy, so I don't think there is much chance of an

:34:27. > :34:28.there is much chance of an there is much chance of an

:34:28. > :34:29.invasion. Tony Blair got a bloody invasion. Tony Blair got a bloody

:34:29. > :34:30.invasion. Tony Blair got a bloody invasion. Tony Blair got a bloody

:34:30. > :34:35.nose when they tried to impose joint nose when they tried to impose joint

:34:35. > :34:36.nose when they tried to impose joint sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew

:34:36. > :34:37.sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew

:34:37. > :34:37.sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew

:34:37. > :34:39.the costs of how much it was to have the costs of how much it was to have

:34:39. > :34:41.the costs of how much it was to have a garrison town, public opinion

:34:41. > :34:42.a garrison town, public opinion a garrison town, public opinion

:34:42. > :34:43.might change. I know the Foreign might change. I know the Foreign

:34:43. > :34:46.might change. I know the Foreign might change. I know the Foreign

:34:46. > :34:47.Office want to hang onto it for the Office want to hang onto it for the

:34:47. > :34:49.Office want to hang onto it for the Office want to hang onto it for the

:34:49. > :34:50.mineral rights. Is that an issue for mineral rights. Is that an issue for

:34:50. > :34:51.mineral rights. Is that an issue for Britain, that it looks like there

:34:51. > :34:51.Britain, that it looks like there Britain, that it looks like there

:34:51. > :34:54.Britain, that it looks like there was a lot of oil under the seat?

:34:54. > :34:54.was a lot of oil under the seat? was a lot of oil under the seat?

:34:54. > :34:57.was a lot of oil under the seat? Quite clearly. They admit it on the

:34:57. > :34:58.Quite clearly. They admit it on the Quite clearly. They admit it on the

:34:58. > :35:00.Quite clearly. They admit it on the sly. There are likely to be all and

:35:00. > :35:01.sly. There are likely to be all and sly. There are likely to be all and

:35:01. > :35:02.reserves there, and no doubt the reserves there, and no doubt the

:35:02. > :35:03.Falkland Islanders will contribute Falkland Islanders will contribute

:35:03. > :35:03.Falkland Islanders will contribute Falkland Islanders will contribute

:35:03. > :35:04.towards the cost of their defence if towards the cost of their defence if

:35:04. > :35:05.towards the cost of their defence if towards the cost of their defence if

:35:05. > :35:07.they have the resources to do so. they have the resources to do so.

:35:07. > :35:08.they have the resources to do so. they have the resources to do so.

:35:08. > :35:09.But the idea that you don't defend But the idea that you don't defend

:35:09. > :35:11.But the idea that you don't defend British citizens purely because it

:35:12. > :35:13.British citizens purely because it British citizens purely because it

:35:13. > :35:14.is costing money is a bizarre is costing money is a bizarre

:35:14. > :35:15.is costing money is a bizarre is costing money is a bizarre

:35:15. > :35:19.notion. We are not going to send a notion. We are not going to send a

:35:19. > :35:20.notion. We are not going to send a task force birth. The British people

:35:20. > :35:21.task force birth. The British people task force birth. The British people

:35:21. > :35:23.would support the Falkland Islanders would support the Falkland Islanders

:35:23. > :35:23.would support the Falkland Islanders would support the Falkland Islanders

:35:23. > :35:27.in such a situation. The prospect of in such a situation. The prospect of

:35:27. > :35:28.in such a situation. The prospect of another war is unlikely. Are you

:35:28. > :35:29.another war is unlikely. Are you another war is unlikely. Are you

:35:29. > :35:31.confident that we have sufficient confident that we have sufficient

:35:31. > :35:33.confident that we have sufficient confident that we have sufficient

:35:33. > :35:34.forces in the Falklands to deter any forces in the Falklands to deter any

:35:34. > :35:35.forces in the Falklands to deter any military intervention? I just came

:35:35. > :35:36.military intervention? I just came military intervention? I just came

:35:36. > :35:38.back from the Falkland Islands a back from the Falkland Islands a

:35:38. > :35:40.back from the Falkland Islands a couple of weeks ago. Speaking to

:35:40. > :35:40.couple of weeks ago. Speaking to couple of weeks ago. Speaking to

:35:40. > :35:41.everybody there, speaking to the everybody there, speaking to the

:35:41. > :35:42.everybody there, speaking to the commander of British forces, they

:35:42. > :35:45.commander of British forces, they commander of British forces, they

:35:45. > :35:46.assure me that there were sufficient assure me that there were sufficient

:35:46. > :35:47.assure me that there were sufficient defence for such an eventuality.

:35:47. > :35:49.defence for such an eventuality. defence for such an eventuality.

:35:49. > :35:50.Ministers have also assured me about Ministers have also assured me about

:35:50. > :35:51.Ministers have also assured me about any government that failed to defend

:35:51. > :35:52.any government that failed to defend any government that failed to defend

:35:52. > :35:54.the Falklands after Mrs Thatcher did the Falklands after Mrs Thatcher did

:35:54. > :35:55.the Falklands after Mrs Thatcher did the Falklands after Mrs Thatcher did

:35:55. > :35:56.so much to rescue those islands in so much to rescue those islands in

:35:56. > :35:57.so much to rescue those islands in 1982, any government that let that

:35:57. > :36:01.1982, any government that let that 1982, any government that let that

:36:01. > :36:01.happen not last very long. happen not last very long.

:36:01. > :36:02.happen not last very long. happen not last very long.

:36:02. > :36:05.Now, it is not just the Liberal Now, it is not just the Liberal

:36:05. > :36:05.Now, it is not just the Liberal Democrats who have been embroiled in

:36:06. > :36:06.Democrats who have been embroiled in allegations of sexual misconduct.

:36:06. > :36:07.allegations of sexual misconduct. allegations of sexual misconduct.

:36:07. > :36:09.The Socialist Workers Party has been The Socialist Workers Party has been

:36:09. > :36:10.The Socialist Workers Party has been criticised for its handling of rape

:36:10. > :36:12.criticised for its handling of rape criticised for its handling of rape

:36:12. > :36:13.allegations against a senior party allegations against a senior party

:36:13. > :36:19.allegations against a senior party member. The accused denied them and

:36:19. > :36:20.member. The accused denied them and member. The accused denied them and

:36:20. > :36:22.the internal enquiry agreed. They the internal enquiry agreed. They

:36:22. > :36:23.the internal enquiry agreed. They had an internal enquiry rather than

:36:23. > :36:24.had an internal enquiry rather than had an internal enquiry rather than

:36:24. > :36:25.the bourgeois capitalist courts. The the bourgeois capitalist courts. The

:36:25. > :36:26.the bourgeois capitalist courts. The the bourgeois capitalist courts. The

:36:26. > :36:27.crisis that followed has led some to crisis that followed has led some to

:36:27. > :36:28.crisis that followed has led some to question the existence of the far

:36:28. > :36:29.question the existence of the far question the existence of the far

:36:29. > :36:30.question the existence of the far left party. So much so that they

:36:30. > :36:31.left party. So much so that they left party. So much so that they

:36:31. > :36:32.left party. So much so that they plan to hold a special conference to

:36:32. > :36:40.plan to hold a special conference to plan to hold a special conference to

:36:40. > :36:41.address the issue this weekend. address the issue this weekend.

:36:41. > :36:43.address the issue this weekend. They are the followers of Lenin's

:36:43. > :36:44.They are the followers of Lenin's They are the followers of Lenin's

:36:44. > :36:45.Powell Trotsky, but now the Powell Trotsky, but now the

:36:45. > :36:46.Powell Trotsky, but now the Socialist Workers Party is facing

:36:46. > :36:47.Socialist Workers Party is facing Socialist Workers Party is facing

:36:47. > :36:49.Socialist Workers Party is facing the equivalent of an ice pick in the

:36:49. > :36:50.the equivalent of an ice pick in the the equivalent of an ice pick in the

:36:50. > :36:51.the equivalent of an ice pick in the neck. To many, the SWP are the

:36:51. > :36:52.neck. To many, the SWP are the neck. To many, the SWP are the

:36:52. > :36:53.people who hand out leaflets like people who hand out leaflets like

:36:53. > :36:54.people who hand out leaflets like these on the high street on

:36:54. > :36:55.these on the high street on these on the high street on

:36:55. > :36:56.these on the high street on Saturday, but the far far far left

:36:56. > :36:58.Saturday, but the far far far left Saturday, but the far far far left

:36:58. > :37:00.Saturday, but the far far far left group has had an impact. They were

:37:00. > :37:00.group has had an impact. They were group has had an impact. They were

:37:00. > :37:01.instrumental in organising the 1 instrumental in organising the 1

:37:01. > :37:05.instrumental in organising the 1 million person strong stop the War

:37:05. > :37:06.million person strong stop the War million person strong stop the War

:37:06. > :37:07.million person strong stop the War march a decade ago. They later fell

:37:07. > :37:12.march a decade ago. They later fell march a decade ago. They later fell

:37:12. > :37:13.out with other groups, though. They out with other groups, though. They

:37:13. > :37:14.out with other groups, though. They helped form the Respect Party, which

:37:14. > :37:15.helped form the Respect Party, which propelled George Galloway to

:37:15. > :37:16.propelled George Galloway to propelled George Galloway to

:37:16. > :37:17.Parliament in east London in the Parliament in east London in the

:37:17. > :37:19.Parliament in east London in the 2005 general election. At the SWP

:37:19. > :37:20.2005 general election. At the SWP 2005 general election. At the SWP

:37:20. > :37:22.2005 general election. At the SWP fell out with them, too, making it

:37:22. > :37:23.fell out with them, too, making it fell out with them, too, making it

:37:23. > :37:26.fell out with them, too, making it all feel a bit People's front of

:37:26. > :37:27.all feel a bit People's front of all feel a bit People's front of

:37:27. > :37:28.all feel a bit People's front of Judaea. Often on the left, there is

:37:28. > :37:30.Judaea. Often on the left, there is Judaea. Often on the left, there is

:37:30. > :37:30.Judaea. Often on the left, there is a tendency to fall out over what

:37:30. > :37:34.a tendency to fall out over what a tendency to fall out over what

:37:34. > :37:35.seems from the outside pretty small seems from the outside pretty small

:37:35. > :37:36.seems from the outside pretty small issues, to obsess over purity, to

:37:36. > :37:38.issues, to obsess over purity, to issues, to obsess over purity, to

:37:38. > :37:39.issues, to obsess over purity, to lose sight of who the real enemy is

:37:39. > :37:40.lose sight of who the real enemy is lose sight of who the real enemy is

:37:40. > :37:41.and not have the same ruthlessness and not have the same ruthlessness

:37:41. > :37:44.and not have the same ruthlessness and not have the same ruthlessness

:37:44. > :37:45.the right often have in having a the right often have in having a

:37:45. > :37:46.the right often have in having a mission, sticking to it and instead

:37:46. > :37:47.mission, sticking to it and instead mission, sticking to it and instead

:37:47. > :37:48.mission, sticking to it and instead falling out and being more angry at

:37:48. > :37:49.falling out and being more angry at falling out and being more angry at

:37:49. > :37:50.each other than the people you're each other than the people you're

:37:50. > :37:51.each other than the people you're each other than the people you're

:37:51. > :37:52.supposed to be angry at. Now the supposed to be angry at. Now the

:37:52. > :37:53.supposed to be angry at. Now the supposed to be angry at. Now the

:37:53. > :37:54.party is facing a crisis after this party is facing a crisis after this

:37:54. > :37:56.party is facing a crisis after this document was leaked. It is the

:37:56. > :37:57.document was leaked. It is the document was leaked. It is the

:37:57. > :37:59.transcript of a discussion of how transcript of a discussion of how

:37:59. > :38:00.the party's disciplinary committee the party's disciplinary committee

:38:00. > :38:01.the party's disciplinary committee handled an accusation of rape made

:38:01. > :38:02.handled an accusation of rape made handled an accusation of rape made

:38:02. > :38:03.by an activist against someone else by an activist against someone else

:38:03. > :38:03.by an activist against someone else by an activist against someone else

:38:03. > :38:05.in the body. The party figure denied in the body. The party figure denied

:38:05. > :38:06.in the body. The party figure denied in the body. The party figure denied

:38:06. > :38:07.it, the committee ruled there was no it, the committee ruled there was no

:38:07. > :38:08.it, the committee ruled there was no it, the committee ruled there was no

:38:08. > :38:10.case to answer and the police were case to answer and the police were

:38:11. > :38:12.case to answer and the police were not involved. But four Alec --

:38:12. > :38:13.not involved. But four Alec -- not involved. But four Alec --

:38:13. > :38:14.activists were expelled from the activists were expelled from the

:38:14. > :38:14.activists were expelled from the party for discussing over Facebook

:38:14. > :38:17.party for discussing over Facebook party for discussing over Facebook

:38:17. > :38:18.how it was handled. Others have how it was handled. Others have

:38:18. > :38:19.how it was handled. Others have how it was handled. Others have

:38:19. > :38:20.left. Then a new blog appeared. The left. Then a new blog appeared. The

:38:20. > :38:22.left. Then a new blog appeared. The vendor is behind it want fundamental

:38:22. > :38:23.vendor is behind it want fundamental vendor is behind it want fundamental

:38:23. > :38:25.vendor is behind it want fundamental reform of the party. But try getting

:38:25. > :38:25.reform of the party. But try getting reform of the party. But try getting

:38:25. > :38:26.anyone to talk about it. anyone to talk about it.

:38:26. > :38:27.anyone to talk about it. Investigating the SWP involves the

:38:27. > :38:32.Investigating the SWP involves the Investigating the SWP involves the

:38:32. > :38:35.Investigating the SWP involves the phone being put down on you. A lot.

:38:35. > :38:36.phone being put down on you. A lot. phone being put down on you. A lot.

:38:36. > :38:37.The party hierarchy don't like The party hierarchy don't like

:38:37. > :38:38.The party hierarchy don't like talking to bourgeois media like us.

:38:38. > :38:40.talking to bourgeois media like us. talking to bourgeois media like us.

:38:40. > :38:41.But they have published a statement But they have published a statement

:38:41. > :38:42.But they have published a statement saying that all along, they have

:38:42. > :38:43.saying that all along, they have saying that all along, they have

:38:43. > :38:44.respected the choices of the women respected the choices of the women

:38:44. > :38:44.respected the choices of the women involved and what has been written

:38:44. > :38:45.involved and what has been written involved and what has been written

:38:45. > :38:46.involved and what has been written about this case is a travesty of the

:38:46. > :38:48.about this case is a travesty of the about this case is a travesty of the

:38:48. > :38:49.about this case is a travesty of the truth. No activists want to speak to

:38:49. > :38:50.truth. No activists want to speak to truth. No activists want to speak to

:38:50. > :38:51.truth. No activists want to speak to us, although I chatted to one on the

:38:51. > :38:52.us, although I chatted to one on the us, although I chatted to one on the

:38:52. > :38:53.us, although I chatted to one on the phone who said this is what happens

:38:53. > :38:54.phone who said this is what happens phone who said this is what happens

:38:54. > :38:56.when you have an all knowing when you have an all knowing

:38:56. > :38:57.when you have an all knowing leadership retreat party members as

:38:57. > :38:58.leadership retreat party members as useful and disposable. Observers

:38:58. > :39:03.useful and disposable. Observers useful and disposable. Observers

:39:03. > :39:05.useful and disposable. Observers think this could spell the end.

:39:05. > :39:06.think this could spell the end. think this could spell the end.

:39:06. > :39:07.very much called into question the very much called into question the

:39:07. > :39:08.very much called into question the continued existence of the SWP in

:39:08. > :39:10.continued existence of the SWP in continued existence of the SWP in

:39:10. > :39:12.continued existence of the SWP in its current form. I only hope that

:39:12. > :39:12.its current form. I only hope that its current form. I only hope that

:39:12. > :39:13.the activists, who are well-meaning the activists, who are well-meaning

:39:13. > :39:14.the activists, who are well-meaning the activists, who are well-meaning

:39:14. > :39:14.people who want to fight for a people who want to fight for a

:39:14. > :39:16.people who want to fight for a better society, not just disappear

:39:16. > :39:18.better society, not just disappear better society, not just disappear

:39:18. > :39:19.better society, not just disappear as a result, but can find a

:39:19. > :39:24.as a result, but can find a as a result, but can find a

:39:24. > :39:25.different way of putting their different way of putting their

:39:25. > :39:26.different way of putting their political energy. Here are some of

:39:26. > :39:29.political energy. Here are some of those activists, protesting outside

:39:29. > :39:30.those activists, protesting outside those activists, protesting outside

:39:30. > :39:32.the Tory party conference. But this the Tory party conference. But this

:39:32. > :39:32.the Tory party conference. But this the Tory party conference. But this

:39:32. > :39:33.weekend, the SWP will be holding a weekend, the SWP will be holding a

:39:33. > :39:34.weekend, the SWP will be holding a weekend, the SWP will be holding a

:39:34. > :39:34.special conference of its own to try special conference of its own to try

:39:34. > :39:41.special conference of its own to try special conference of its own to try

:39:41. > :39:43.and draw a line under this episode. and draw a line under this episode.

:39:43. > :39:45.and draw a line under this episode. and draw a line under this episode.

:39:45. > :39:46.If the SWP splinters, as these far If the SWP splinters, as these far

:39:46. > :39:49.If the SWP splinters, as these far left groups regularly because of

:39:49. > :39:50.left groups regularly because of left groups regularly because of

:39:50. > :39:51.this particular case, I would this particular case, I would

:39:51. > :39:52.this particular case, I would suggest that it will emerge in

:39:52. > :39:53.suggest that it will emerge in suggest that it will emerge in

:39:53. > :39:54.another form. There will be another another form. There will be another

:39:54. > :39:57.another form. There will be another far left group under a different

:39:57. > :39:58.far left group under a different far left group under a different

:39:58. > :39:59.title. It has been splintering for title. It has been splintering for

:39:59. > :39:59.title. It has been splintering for title. It has been splintering for

:39:59. > :40:03.some time after the Iraq war, with some time after the Iraq war, with

:40:03. > :40:05.some time after the Iraq war, with George Galloway and Respect. But the

:40:05. > :40:06.George Galloway and Respect. But the George Galloway and Respect. But the

:40:06. > :40:10.George Galloway and Respect. But the importance of the SWP is that it is

:40:10. > :40:11.importance of the SWP is that it is importance of the SWP is that it is

:40:11. > :40:13.importance of the SWP is that it is the biggest and most vocal and most

:40:13. > :40:13.the biggest and most vocal and most the biggest and most vocal and most

:40:13. > :40:14.organised. If it keeps splintering, organised. If it keeps splintering,

:40:14. > :40:17.organised. If it keeps splintering, organised. If it keeps splintering,

:40:17. > :40:18.all the bits will just get weaker. all the bits will just get weaker.

:40:18. > :40:19.all the bits will just get weaker. all the bits will just get weaker.

:40:19. > :40:20.They are on a downward spiral. They They are on a downward spiral. They

:40:20. > :40:21.They are on a downward spiral. They are recruiting in universities, they

:40:21. > :40:24.are recruiting in universities, they are recruiting in universities, they

:40:24. > :40:26.are recruiting in universities, they are seen as idealistic and if you

:40:26. > :40:29.are seen as idealistic and if you are seen as idealistic and if you

:40:29. > :40:30.read the details, it was appalling, read the details, it was appalling,

:40:30. > :40:31.read the details, it was appalling, read the details, it was appalling,

:40:31. > :40:35.what went on and how they handled what went on and how they handled

:40:35. > :40:35.what went on and how they handled it. That filtered away students.

:40:35. > :40:40.it. That filtered away students. it. That filtered away students.

:40:40. > :40:41.Obviously, the far left are vocal. Obviously, the far left are vocal.

:40:41. > :40:44.Obviously, the far left are vocal. They can organise demonstrations and

:40:44. > :40:45.They can organise demonstrations and attach themselves to wider

:40:45. > :40:47.attach themselves to wider attach themselves to wider

:40:47. > :40:48.demonstrations like the TUC and so demonstrations like the TUC and so

:40:48. > :40:50.demonstrations like the TUC and so on. But it is interesting that

:40:50. > :40:54.on. But it is interesting that on. But it is interesting that

:40:54. > :40:55.on. But it is interesting that opposed the great crash of 2008, the

:40:55. > :40:56.opposed the great crash of 2008, the opposed the great crash of 2008, the

:40:56. > :40:57.crisis of capitalism, it seemed, and crisis of capitalism, it seemed, and

:40:57. > :41:00.crisis of capitalism, it seemed, and crisis of capitalism, it seemed, and

:41:00. > :41:02.yet the far left has struggled to yet the far left has struggled to

:41:02. > :41:02.yet the far left has struggled to get traction. Absolutely. They are

:41:02. > :41:04.get traction. Absolutely. They are get traction. Absolutely. They are

:41:04. > :41:06.still very much a fringe outfit. still very much a fringe outfit.

:41:06. > :41:06.still very much a fringe outfit. Watching that film, you wonder if

:41:06. > :41:08.Watching that film, you wonder if Watching that film, you wonder if

:41:08. > :41:08.Watching that film, you wonder if one of the things that puts people

:41:08. > :41:10.one of the things that puts people one of the things that puts people

:41:10. > :41:13.one of the things that puts people off is the way they run themselves,

:41:13. > :41:14.off is the way they run themselves, off is the way they run themselves,

:41:14. > :41:16.their secrecy. It sounds like such their secrecy. It sounds like such

:41:16. > :41:20.their secrecy. It sounds like such their secrecy. It sounds like such

:41:20. > :41:23.hard work, even if you shared their hard work, even if you shared their

:41:23. > :41:24.hard work, even if you shared their ideals. They attach themselves to

:41:24. > :41:24.ideals. They attach themselves to ideals. They attach themselves to

:41:24. > :41:28.ideals. They attach themselves to big movements, but they are not the

:41:28. > :41:28.big movements, but they are not the big movements, but they are not the

:41:28. > :41:29.big movements, but they are not the real drivers. If you speak to them

:41:29. > :41:30.real drivers. If you speak to them real drivers. If you speak to them

:41:30. > :41:31.individually, they are fine and you individually, they are fine and you

:41:31. > :41:33.individually, they are fine and you can have an interesting debate. If

:41:34. > :41:34.can have an interesting debate. If can have an interesting debate. If

:41:34. > :41:36.can have an interesting debate. If you get them in a three or four

:41:36. > :41:38.you get them in a three or four you get them in a three or four

:41:38. > :41:40.cell, they are bunkers. They are cell, they are bunkers. They are

:41:40. > :41:43.cell, they are bunkers. They are cell, they are bunkers. They are

:41:43. > :41:44.noisy and visible, but that is about Time now to refresh your memory of

:41:44. > :41:45.Time now to refresh your memory of Time now to refresh your memory of

:41:45. > :41:53.the big stories that have dominated the big stories that have dominated

:41:53. > :41:54.the big stories that have dominated the political week in 60 seconds.

:41:54. > :41:55.the political week in 60 seconds. the political week in 60 seconds.

:41:55. > :41:57.the political week in 60 seconds. The week's games began with a sack

:41:57. > :41:58.The week's games began with a sack The week's games began with a sack

:41:58. > :41:59.race. Knives out for Sir David race. Knives out for Sir David

:41:59. > :41:59.race. Knives out for Sir David Nicholson, who admitted a big

:41:59. > :42:03.Nicholson, who admitted a big Nicholson, who admitted a big

:42:03. > :42:05.failing in the scandal over Mid failing in the scandal over Mid

:42:05. > :42:06.Staffordshire, inside the regional Staffordshire, inside the regional

:42:06. > :42:07.Staffordshire, inside the regional Staffordshire, inside the regional

:42:07. > :42:09.Health Authority he then ran. But he Health Authority he then ran. But he

:42:09. > :42:10.Health Authority he then ran. But he is staying put running it. Vince

:42:10. > :42:10.is staying put running it. Vince is staying put running it. Vince

:42:11. > :42:11.is staying put running it. Vince Cable writes that it might be time

:42:11. > :42:13.Cable writes that it might be time Cable writes that it might be time

:42:13. > :42:14.to borrow and invest in to borrow and invest in

:42:14. > :42:15.to borrow and invest in infrastructure. The PM said it had

:42:15. > :42:16.infrastructure. The PM said it had infrastructure. The PM said it had

:42:16. > :42:18.infrastructure. The PM said it had plunged the UK into the abyss if he

:42:18. > :42:21.plunged the UK into the abyss if he changed course. Westminster played

:42:21. > :42:23.changed course. Westminster played changed course. Westminster played

:42:23. > :42:26.changed course. Westminster played the main game. Use a bedroom tax, he

:42:26. > :42:27.the main game. Use a bedroom tax, he the main game. Use a bedroom tax, he

:42:27. > :42:28.says spare room subsidy. The bobby says spare room subsidy. The bobby

:42:28. > :42:29.says spare room subsidy. The bobby says spare room subsidy. The bobby

:42:29. > :42:30.dazzler bird is spotted at PMQs as a dazzler bird is spotted at PMQs as a

:42:30. > :42:33.dazzler bird is spotted at PMQs as a dazzler bird is spotted at PMQs as a

:42:33. > :42:34.Lib Dem MP sported a smart party Lib Dem MP sported a smart party

:42:34. > :42:35.Lib Dem MP sported a smart party logo waistcoat, or a custard

:42:35. > :42:35.logo waistcoat, or a custard logo waistcoat, or a custard

:42:35. > :42:37.logo waistcoat, or a custard spillage. And Theresa May is in the

:42:37. > :42:38.spillage. And Theresa May is in the spillage. And Theresa May is in the

:42:38. > :42:39.spillage. And Theresa May is in the way as Ed hits top gear. I look

:42:39. > :42:40.way as Ed hits top gear. I look way as Ed hits top gear. I look

:42:40. > :42:41.way as Ed hits top gear. I look forward to facing her when they are

:42:41. > :42:44.forward to facing her when they are forward to facing her when they are

:42:44. > :42:45.in opposition. Hammond gives a in opposition. Hammond gives a

:42:45. > :42:46.in opposition. Hammond gives a in opposition. Hammond gives a

:42:46. > :42:47.green. And Fat Boy Slim is in the green. And Fat Boy Slim is in the

:42:47. > :42:49.green. And Fat Boy Slim is in the green. And Fat Boy Slim is in the

:42:49. > :42:52.house, so Tory MPs can frequently -- house, so Tory MPs can frequently --

:42:52. > :42:58.briefly forget frantic manoeuvring briefly forget frantic manoeuvring

:42:58. > :43:00.for dance moves. for dance moves.

:43:00. > :43:00.Pictures thereof Conservative MPs Pictures thereof Conservative MPs

:43:00. > :43:01.Pictures thereof Conservative MPs Pictures thereof Conservative MPs

:43:01. > :43:02.getting on down to Fat Boy Slim in getting on down to Fat Boy Slim in

:43:02. > :43:04.getting on down to Fat Boy Slim in Parliament. If those shocking images

:43:04. > :43:05.Parliament. If those shocking images Parliament. If those shocking images

:43:05. > :43:06.Parliament. If those shocking images have upset you, I can only apologise

:43:06. > :43:08.have upset you, I can only apologise have upset you, I can only apologise

:43:08. > :43:09.for not giving you advance warning. for not giving you advance warning.

:43:09. > :43:11.for not giving you advance warning. Happily, there will be no such

:43:11. > :43:12.Happily, there will be no such shenanigans tomorrow, when senior

:43:12. > :43:13.shenanigans tomorrow, when senior shenanigans tomorrow, when senior

:43:13. > :43:15.Tories gather for the Conservative Tories gather for the Conservative

:43:15. > :43:17.Tories gather for the Conservative Home victory in 2015 conference.

:43:17. > :43:18.Home victory in 2015 conference. Home victory in 2015 conference.

:43:18. > :43:19.They are nothing if not optimistic. They are nothing if not optimistic.

:43:19. > :43:21.They are nothing if not optimistic. They are nothing if not optimistic.

:43:21. > :43:25.A week after they failed to win the A week after they failed to win the

:43:25. > :43:26.A week after they failed to win the easterly by-election, a seat that

:43:26. > :43:27.easterly by-election, a seat that easterly by-election, a seat that

:43:27. > :43:28.easterly by-election, a seat that will not let them form an overall

:43:28. > :43:28.will not let them form an overall will not let them form an overall

:43:28. > :43:30.majority, they will be discussing majority, they will be discussing

:43:30. > :43:31.majority, they will be discussing majority, they will be discussing

:43:31. > :43:32.how to win an outright majority in how to win an outright majority in

:43:32. > :43:35.how to win an outright majority in 2015. There will be keynote speeches

:43:35. > :43:36.2015. There will be keynote speeches 2015. There will be keynote speeches

:43:36. > :43:37.from Michael Ashcroft, Grant Shapps, from Michael Ashcroft, Grant Shapps,

:43:37. > :43:39.from Michael Ashcroft, Grant Shapps, the chairman of the Conservative

:43:39. > :43:40.the chairman of the Conservative the chairman of the Conservative

:43:40. > :43:41.party and Home Secretary Theresa party and Home Secretary Theresa

:43:41. > :43:41.party and Home Secretary Theresa May. She is rumoured to harbour

:43:41. > :43:44.May. She is rumoured to harbour May. She is rumoured to harbour

:43:44. > :43:46.leadership ambitions of her own. Who leadership ambitions of her own. Who

:43:46. > :43:46.leadership ambitions of her own. Who leadership ambitions of her own. Who

:43:46. > :43:48.would have thought it? We are joined would have thought it? We are joined

:43:48. > :43:52.would have thought it? We are joined by the editor of Conservative Home,

:43:52. > :43:52.by the editor of Conservative Home, by the editor of Conservative Home,

:43:52. > :43:53.Tim Montgomerie, and Nadhim Zahawi, Tim Montgomerie, and Nadhim Zahawi,

:43:53. > :43:56.Tim Montgomerie, and Nadhim Zahawi, who will be chairing the conference.

:43:56. > :43:57.who will be chairing the conference. who will be chairing the conference.

:43:57. > :43:57.who will be chairing the conference. So hand on heart, with an honesty

:43:57. > :43:58.So hand on heart, with an honesty So hand on heart, with an honesty

:43:58. > :43:59.So hand on heart, with an honesty meter in your head, what chance have

:43:59. > :44:04.meter in your head, what chance have meter in your head, what chance have

:44:04. > :44:05.you got of winning an overall you got of winning an overall

:44:05. > :44:06.you got of winning an overall majority? Small. It will be an

:44:06. > :44:08.majority? Small. It will be an majority? Small. It will be an

:44:08. > :44:08.incredibly tough challenge for the incredibly tough challenge for the

:44:08. > :44:10.incredibly tough challenge for the Conservative party to win. The

:44:10. > :44:12.Conservative party to win. The Conservative party to win. The

:44:12. > :44:13.Conservative Party has not won a Conservative Party has not won a

:44:13. > :44:14.Conservative Party has not won a majority since 1992. If you look

:44:14. > :44:15.majority since 1992. If you look majority since 1992. If you look

:44:15. > :44:16.across the Atlantic at America, the across the Atlantic at America, the

:44:16. > :44:17.across the Atlantic at America, the Republicans have only one more than

:44:17. > :44:20.Republicans have only one more than Republicans have only one more than

:44:20. > :44:21.Republicans have only one more than 50% in one of the last six

:44:21. > :44:23.50% in one of the last six residential elections. Something has

:44:23. > :44:24.residential elections. Something has residential elections. Something has

:44:24. > :44:24.gone badly wrong on the right, gone badly wrong on the right,

:44:24. > :44:26.gone badly wrong on the right, perhaps coinciding with the end of

:44:26. > :44:27.perhaps coinciding with the end of perhaps coinciding with the end of

:44:27. > :44:27.perhaps coinciding with the end of the Cold War, but we think other

:44:27. > :44:29.the Cold War, but we think other the Cold War, but we think other

:44:29. > :44:31.the Cold War, but we think other factors are at play as well. So

:44:31. > :44:32.factors are at play as well. So factors are at play as well. So

:44:32. > :44:32.tomorrow is about winning the next tomorrow is about winning the next

:44:33. > :44:37.tomorrow is about winning the next election. We are talking about

:44:37. > :44:38.election. We are talking about election. We are talking about

:44:38. > :44:41.battleground, but we will also ask battleground, but we will also ask

:44:41. > :44:42.battleground, but we will also ask what conservatism is for now? What

:44:42. > :44:43.what conservatism is for now? What what conservatism is for now? What

:44:43. > :44:44.what conservatism is for now? What is the brand about? There seems to

:44:44. > :44:45.is the brand about? There seems to is the brand about? There seems to

:44:45. > :44:49.be a shortfall in our connection be a shortfall in our connection

:44:49. > :44:53.be a shortfall in our connection with the electorate. The chances are

:44:53. > :44:54.with the electorate. The chances are with the electorate. The chances are

:44:54. > :44:55.with the electorate. The chances are small. If you look at today's # you

:44:55. > :44:59.small. If you look at today's # you small. If you look at today's # you

:44:59. > :45:00.small. If you look at today's # you got pole, we are nine points behind

:45:00. > :45:01.got pole, we are nine points behind got pole, we are nine points behind

:45:01. > :45:02.got pole, we are nine points behind Labour. The Lib Dems share 11 points

:45:02. > :45:03.Labour. The Lib Dems share 11 points Labour. The Lib Dems share 11 points

:45:04. > :45:05.Labour. The Lib Dems share 11 points each with UKIP, so it is tough. We

:45:05. > :45:05.each with UKIP, so it is tough. We each with UKIP, so it is tough. We

:45:05. > :45:06.each with UKIP, so it is tough. We each with UKIP, so it is tough. We

:45:06. > :45:07.need to be on 40 points. In the real need to be on 40 points. In the real

:45:07. > :45:09.need to be on 40 points. In the real need to be on 40 points. In the real

:45:09. > :45:10.race in 2010, we got about 37 points race in 2010, we got about 37 points

:45:10. > :45:20.race in 2010, we got about 37 points race in 2010, we got about 37 points

:45:20. > :45:26.

:45:26. > :45:28.People are dealing with household People are dealing with household

:45:28. > :45:29.People are dealing with household stuff, bringing pain to your pocket.

:45:29. > :45:30.stuff, bringing pain to your pocket. stuff, bringing pain to your pocket.

:45:30. > :45:31.stuff, bringing pain to your pocket. If we can in 2015 demonstrate that

:45:31. > :45:32.If we can in 2015 demonstrate that If we can in 2015 demonstrate that

:45:32. > :45:33.the economy is healing, that we're the economy is healing, that we're

:45:33. > :45:34.the economy is healing, that we're in the right direction, that things

:45:34. > :45:36.in the right direction, that things in the right direction, that things

:45:36. > :45:37.that we've done have begun to that we've done have begun to

:45:37. > :45:38.that we've done have begun to deliver. If we can demonstrate that

:45:39. > :45:39.deliver. If we can demonstrate that deliver. If we can demonstrate that

:45:39. > :45:40.we've reformed welfare and have we've reformed welfare and have

:45:40. > :45:41.we've reformed welfare and have we've reformed welfare and have

:45:41. > :45:42.delivered it and it's bedded in and delivered it and it's bedded in and

:45:42. > :45:43.delivered it and it's bedded in and delivered it and it's bedded in and

:45:43. > :45:45.it really does always pay to work, it really does always pay to work,

:45:45. > :45:46.it really does always pay to work, because people have to see, not

:45:46. > :45:47.because people have to see, not because people have to see, not

:45:47. > :45:48.because people have to see, not just, you know, just the PR press

:45:48. > :45:49.just, you know, just the PR press just, you know, just the PR press

:45:49. > :45:51.conference, they have to see. conference, they have to see.

:45:51. > :45:55.conference, they have to see. That's the big difference. If we

:45:55. > :45:56.That's the big difference. If we That's the big difference. If we

:45:56. > :45:57.really do deliver Michael Gove's on really do deliver Michael Gove's on

:45:57. > :45:58.really do deliver Michael Gove's on schools where every child in the

:45:58. > :45:58.schools where every child in the schools where every child in the

:45:58. > :45:59.country has the opportunity to go country has the opportunity to go

:45:59. > :46:01.country has the opportunity to go country has the opportunity to go

:46:02. > :46:04.it a great school, we stand a good it a great school, we stand a good

:46:04. > :46:05.it a great school, we stand a good it a great school, we stand a good

:46:05. > :46:06.chance of going up on that positive chance of going up on that positive

:46:06. > :46:07.chance of going up on that positive message, saying let's keep going,

:46:08. > :46:08.message, saying let's keep going, message, saying let's keep going,

:46:08. > :46:09.give us another chance. The problem give us another chance. The problem

:46:09. > :46:11.give us another chance. The problem give us another chance. The problem

:46:11. > :46:12.is that you're running out of time? is that you're running out of time?

:46:12. > :46:13.is that you're running out of time? The education and the welfare

:46:13. > :46:13.The education and the welfare The education and the welfare

:46:14. > :46:15.reforms whether they're right or reforms whether they're right or

:46:15. > :46:16.reforms whether they're right or reforms whether they're right or

:46:16. > :46:18.wrong, Notts for me to say, but wrong, Notts for me to say, but

:46:18. > :46:19.wrong, Notts for me to say, but wrong, Notts for me to say, but

:46:19. > :46:20.they take a while for -- to bed they take a while for -- to bed

:46:20. > :46:22.they take a while for -- to bed they take a while for -- to bed

:46:22. > :46:24.down and see what the impact s. On down and see what the impact s. On

:46:24. > :46:25.down and see what the impact s. On the economy, the economic cycle and

:46:25. > :46:26.the economy, the economic cycle and the economy, the economic cycle and

:46:26. > :46:27.political cycle are out of kilter. political cycle are out of kilter.

:46:27. > :46:29.political cycle are out of kilter. political cycle are out of kilter.

:46:29. > :46:30.The plan was by 2013 it would start The plan was by 2013 it would start

:46:30. > :46:31.The plan was by 2013 it would start The plan was by 2013 it would start

:46:31. > :46:32.to be getting better, not that you to be getting better, not that you

:46:32. > :46:33.to be getting better, not that you had solved everything but you could

:46:33. > :46:33.had solved everything but you could had solved everything but you could

:46:33. > :46:35.had solved everything but you could say we've turned the corner and in

:46:35. > :46:36.say we've turned the corner and in say we've turned the corner and in

:46:36. > :46:37.say we've turned the corner and in a couple of years' time, you will

:46:37. > :46:37.a couple of years' time, you will a couple of years' time, you will

:46:38. > :46:39.a couple of years' time, you will see real change. You won't be able

:46:39. > :46:41.see real change. You won't be able see real change. You won't be able

:46:41. > :46:42.see real change. You won't be able to say that now. I'm not sure what

:46:42. > :46:45.to say that now. I'm not sure what to say that now. I'm not sure what

:46:45. > :46:46.to say that now. I'm not sure what that I agree with you. There will

:46:46. > :46:47.that I agree with you. There will that I agree with you. There will

:46:47. > :46:49.be real progress by the next be real progress by the next

:46:49. > :46:50.election. It won't be election. It won't be

:46:50. > :46:51.election. It won't be transformation. On the economy?I

:46:51. > :46:52.transformation. On the economy?I transformation. On the economy?I

:46:52. > :46:53.think it's enough to say the think it's enough to say the

:46:53. > :46:55.think it's enough to say the deficit is coming down and the

:46:55. > :46:58.deficit is coming down and the deficit is coming down and the

:46:58. > :47:00.consmi picking up. There'll be consmi picking up. There'll be

:47:00. > :47:01.enough particularly relative to enough particularly relative to

:47:02. > :47:02.enough particularly relative to labour. The problem is not beating

:47:02. > :47:03.labour. The problem is not beating labour. The problem is not beating

:47:03. > :47:04.labour. The problem is not beating Labour, we've done a poll of Tory

:47:04. > :47:06.Labour, we've done a poll of Tory Labour, we've done a poll of Tory

:47:06. > :47:07.members, they feel we can beat members, they feel we can beat

:47:07. > :47:08.members, they feel we can beat Labour. The problem is and this

:47:08. > :47:09.Labour. The problem is and this Labour. The problem is and this

:47:09. > :47:11.might be David Cameron's historic might be David Cameron's historic

:47:11. > :47:12.might be David Cameron's historic might be David Cameron's historic

:47:13. > :47:14.legacy, we have a divided right, a legacy, we have a divided right, a

:47:14. > :47:16.significantly divided right. significantly divided right.

:47:16. > :47:18.significantly divided right. significantly divided right.

:47:18. > :47:19.mean ekip. For the first time in mean ekip. For the first time in

:47:19. > :47:20.mean ekip. For the first time in the post-war period. That is the

:47:20. > :47:21.the post-war period. That is the the post-war period. That is the

:47:21. > :47:22.huge fact of British politics at huge fact of British politics at

:47:22. > :47:23.huge fact of British politics at huge fact of British politics at

:47:23. > :47:24.the moment. It's going to be a the moment. It's going to be a

:47:24. > :47:25.the moment. It's going to be a balancing act. As well as attacking

:47:25. > :47:27.balancing act. As well as attacking balancing act. As well as attacking

:47:27. > :47:28.Labour and defeating Ed Miliband, Labour and defeating Ed Miliband,

:47:28. > :47:30.Labour and defeating Ed Miliband, which is doable, David Cameron has

:47:30. > :47:32.which is doable, David Cameron has which is doable, David Cameron has

:47:32. > :47:34.the potentially harder task of the potentially harder task of

:47:34. > :47:35.reuniting a fractious Conservative reuniting a fractious Conservative

:47:35. > :47:36.reuniting a fractious Conservative vote. I think the Tories have

:47:36. > :47:36.vote. I think the Tories have vote. I think the Tories have

:47:37. > :47:37.another technical problem and a another technical problem and a

:47:37. > :47:38.another technical problem and a huge one. Because you didn't get

:47:38. > :47:40.huge one. Because you didn't get huge one. Because you didn't get

:47:40. > :47:41.the boundary changes through that the boundary changes through that

:47:41. > :47:42.the boundary changes through that you wanted, no matter how much

:47:42. > :47:43.you wanted, no matter how much you wanted, no matter how much

:47:43. > :47:44.you wanted, no matter how much things improve, it is going to be

:47:44. > :47:46.things improve, it is going to be things improve, it is going to be

:47:46. > :47:48.really, really hard for you to really, really hard for you to

:47:48. > :47:50.really, really hard for you to actually win an outright victory.

:47:50. > :47:50.actually win an outright victory. actually win an outright victory.

:47:50. > :47:52.actually win an outright victory. And worse, if Labour does well and

:47:52. > :47:53.And worse, if Labour does well and And worse, if Labour does well and

:47:53. > :47:54.particularly if they manage to pull particularly if they manage to pull

:47:55. > :47:56.particularly if they manage to pull particularly if they manage to pull

:47:56. > :47:58.off perhaps even they don't do that off perhaps even they don't do that

:47:58. > :48:00.off perhaps even they don't do that well, a Lib Dem/Labour coalition,

:48:00. > :48:01.well, a Lib Dem/Labour coalition, well, a Lib Dem/Labour coalition,

:48:01. > :48:02.Labour ain't going to change the Labour ain't going to change the

:48:02. > :48:03.Labour ain't going to change the boundaries, you could be out of

:48:03. > :48:05.boundaries, you could be out of boundaries, you could be out of

:48:06. > :48:06.office for years and years and office for years and years and

:48:06. > :48:08.office for years and years and years. What's really interesting is

:48:08. > :48:10.years. What's really interesting is years. What's really interesting is

:48:10. > :48:11.when you look at people considering when you look at people considering

:48:11. > :48:13.when you look at people considering voting Conservative or UKIP, the

:48:13. > :48:14.voting Conservative or UKIP, the voting Conservative or UKIP, the

:48:14. > :48:15.people who would come back from people who would come back from

:48:15. > :48:17.people who would come back from UKIP to Conservative, their biggest

:48:17. > :48:17.UKIP to Conservative, their biggest UKIP to Conservative, their biggest

:48:17. > :48:20.fear is allowing a Labour fear is allowing a Labour

:48:20. > :48:22.fear is allowing a Labour Government into office. That would

:48:22. > :48:23.Government into office. That would Government into office. That would

:48:23. > :48:24.be the narrative to an election be the narrative to an election

:48:24. > :48:25.be the narrative to an election be the narrative to an election

:48:25. > :48:26.campaign, is to say if you vote campaign, is to say if you vote

:48:26. > :48:27.campaign, is to say if you vote campaign, is to say if you vote

:48:27. > :48:28.UKIP you will allow Ed Miliband to UKIP you will allow Ed Miliband to

:48:28. > :48:29.UKIP you will allow Ed Miliband to run the country. The remember

:48:29. > :48:31.run the country. The remember run the country. The remember

:48:31. > :48:32.labour groups doing what you're labour groups doing what you're

:48:32. > :48:34.doing, the faibians, progress doing, the faibians, progress

:48:34. > :48:35.doing, the faibians, progress tendency thinking we can do this.

:48:35. > :48:37.tendency thinking we can do this. tendency thinking we can do this.

:48:37. > :48:38.Look at the maths, after Look at the maths, after

:48:38. > :48:39.everything's that has happened, everything's that has happened,

:48:39. > :48:40.everything's that has happened, things that have gone, some you

:48:40. > :48:40.things that have gone, some you things that have gone, some you

:48:40. > :48:42.things that have gone, some you blame on Labour, some you get wrong

:48:42. > :48:42.blame on Labour, some you get wrong blame on Labour, some you get wrong

:48:43. > :48:45.blame on Labour, some you get wrong yourself, it's hard to see how you

:48:45. > :48:48.yourself, it's hard to see how you yourself, it's hard to see how you

:48:48. > :48:50.yourself, it's hard to see how you will get as many votes as in 2010,

:48:50. > :48:51.will get as many votes as in 2010, will get as many votes as in 2010,

:48:51. > :48:53.Gordon Brown, so you'll be down. Gordon Brown, so you'll be down.

:48:53. > :48:53.Gordon Brown, so you'll be down. Gordon Brown, so you'll be down.

:48:53. > :48:55.Labour's bound to be up from 29. Labour's bound to be up from 29.

:48:55. > :48:56.Labour's bound to be up from 29. Labour up two, Labour the biggest

:48:56. > :48:58.Labour up two, Labour the biggest Labour up two, Labour the biggest

:48:58. > :48:58.party. That's why you're right a party. That's why you're right a

:48:59. > :48:59.party. That's why you're right a party. That's why you're right a

:48:59. > :49:01.fight all the way as a political fight all the way as a political

:49:01. > :49:02.fight all the way as a political fight all the way as a political

:49:02. > :49:02.party. But you're not going to do party. But you're not going to do

:49:02. > :49:05.party. But you're not going to do it. Our greatest asset is Ed

:49:05. > :49:06.it. Our greatest asset is Ed it. Our greatest asset is Ed

:49:06. > :49:09.Miliband. What's your other asset? Miliband. What's your other asset?

:49:09. > :49:10.Miliband. What's your other asset? Miliband. What's your other asset?

:49:10. > :49:11.He lags way behind. What is the He lags way behind. What is the

:49:12. > :49:12.He lags way behind. What is the other asset? The Cabinet members

:49:12. > :49:15.other asset? The Cabinet members other asset? The Cabinet members

:49:15. > :49:16.delivering the stuff I've just told delivering the stuff I've just told

:49:16. > :49:17.delivering the stuff I've just told you about. Why is David Cameron

:49:17. > :49:18.you about. Why is David Cameron you about. Why is David Cameron

:49:18. > :49:20.wriggling on three TV debates? wriggling on three TV debates?

:49:20. > :49:20.wriggling on three TV debates? wriggling on three TV debates?

:49:20. > :49:21.He'll have a record to defend and He'll have a record to defend and

:49:21. > :49:22.He'll have a record to defend and He'll have a record to defend and

:49:22. > :49:23.he can't defend it. You might have he can't defend it. You might have

:49:23. > :49:24.he can't defend it. You might have he can't defend it. You might have

:49:24. > :49:25.he can't defend it. You might have a go at Ed Miliband, but you have a

:49:25. > :49:26.a go at Ed Miliband, but you have a a go at Ed Miliband, but you have a

:49:26. > :49:27.liability in David Cameron. liability in David Cameron.

:49:27. > :49:29.liability in David Cameron. seems to me, if you're a

:49:29. > :49:30.seems to me, if you're a seems to me, if you're a

:49:30. > :49:31.Conservative it's daunting, you got Conservative it's daunting, you got

:49:31. > :49:33.Conservative it's daunting, you got Conservative it's daunting, you got

:49:33. > :49:34.less than 37% of the vote in 2010. less than 37% of the vote in 2010.

:49:34. > :49:35.less than 37% of the vote in 2010. To form an overall majority, given

:49:35. > :49:37.To form an overall majority, given To form an overall majority, given

:49:37. > :49:38.you didn't get the boundary changes you didn't get the boundary changes

:49:38. > :49:39.you didn't get the boundary changes you didn't get the boundary changes

:49:39. > :49:40.that Sue talked about, you need at that Sue talked about, you need at

:49:40. > :49:41.that Sue talked about, you need at that Sue talked about, you need at

:49:41. > :49:43.least 40, maybe 41% of the vote, least 40, maybe 41% of the vote,

:49:43. > :49:44.least 40, maybe 41% of the vote, which means that you have to

:49:44. > :49:45.which means that you have to which means that you have to

:49:45. > :49:47.actually increase your share of the actually increase your share of the

:49:47. > :49:50.actually increase your share of the actually increase your share of the

:49:50. > :49:52.vote by what four or five, maybe as vote by what four or five, maybe as

:49:52. > :49:53.vote by what four or five, maybe as much as 6%. No Government, sitting

:49:53. > :49:54.much as 6%. No Government, sitting much as 6%. No Government, sitting

:49:54. > :49:55.Government even Mrs Thatcher never Government even Mrs Thatcher never

:49:55. > :49:56.Government even Mrs Thatcher never Government even Mrs Thatcher never

:49:56. > :49:58.increased her share of the vote on increased her share of the vote on

:49:58. > :49:59.increased her share of the vote on increased her share of the vote on

:49:59. > :49:59.increased her share of the vote on 83 to 79 or 87 to 83. The last

:50:00. > :50:03.83 to 79 or 87 to 83. The last 83 to 79 or 87 to 83. The last

:50:03. > :50:04.person to do it was... Harold person to do it was... Harold

:50:04. > :50:07.person to do it was... Harold Wilson. No, that was in unusual

:50:07. > :50:08.Wilson. No, that was in unusual Wilson. No, that was in unusual

:50:08. > :50:10.circumstances. Really it was Sir circumstances. Really it was Sir

:50:10. > :50:11.circumstances. Really it was Sir circumstances. Really it was Sir

:50:11. > :50:12.Antony Eden in 1955. In 1955, the Antony Eden in 1955. In 1955, the

:50:12. > :50:14.Antony Eden in 1955. In 1955, the Tories had changed leader from

:50:14. > :50:15.Tories had changed leader from Tories had changed leader from

:50:15. > :50:17.Churchill to Eden. Eden was Churchill to Eden. Eden was

:50:17. > :50:18.Churchill to Eden. Eden was Churchill to Eden. Eden was

:50:18. > :50:19.regarded as, at that time, as a man regarded as, at that time, as a man

:50:19. > :50:21.regarded as, at that time, as a man of huge distinction and a Tory

:50:21. > :50:23.of huge distinction and a Tory of huge distinction and a Tory

:50:23. > :50:24.leader. 1955 was the year when leader. 1955 was the year when

:50:24. > :50:26.leader. 1955 was the year when living standards the post-war boom

:50:26. > :50:29.living standards the post-war boom living standards the post-war boom

:50:29. > :50:29.had taken off. We were all had taken off. We were all

:50:29. > :50:31.particularly, ordinary voters particularly, ordinary voters

:50:31. > :50:33.particularly, ordinary voters feeling better off. It's difficult.

:50:33. > :50:34.feeling better off. It's difficult. feeling better off. It's difficult.

:50:34. > :50:35.feeling better off. It's difficult. It is, I've hardly been Mr Sunshine

:50:35. > :50:36.It is, I've hardly been Mr Sunshine It is, I've hardly been Mr Sunshine

:50:36. > :50:37.about Tory prospects here. I think about Tory prospects here. I think

:50:37. > :50:39.about Tory prospects here. I think about Tory prospects here. I think

:50:39. > :50:41.it is doable. I agree on that. It it is doable. I agree on that. It

:50:41. > :50:42.it is doable. I agree on that. It it is doable. I agree on that. It

:50:42. > :50:44.it is doable. I agree on that. It is hard to add to a vote share, but

:50:44. > :50:45.is hard to add to a vote share, but is hard to add to a vote share, but

:50:45. > :50:46.we did fight an absolutely dire we did fight an absolutely dire

:50:46. > :50:49.we did fight an absolutely dire general election campaign last time.

:50:49. > :50:49.general election campaign last time. general election campaign last time.

:50:49. > :50:52.general election campaign last time. We did not Max miles our potential

:50:52. > :50:54.We did not Max miles our potential We did not Max miles our potential

:50:54. > :50:55.last time. -- maximise our last time. -- maximise our

:50:55. > :50:56.last time. -- maximise our potentially hast. I reviewed the

:50:56. > :50:57.potentially hast. I reviewed the potentially hast. I reviewed the

:50:57. > :50:59.campaign. I asked what the theme campaign. I asked what the theme

:50:59. > :51:00.campaign. I asked what the theme was. They all gave me different

:51:00. > :51:00.was. They all gave me different was. They all gave me different

:51:01. > :51:02.answers. So the electorate didn't answers. So the electorate didn't

:51:02. > :51:04.answers. So the electorate didn't answers. So the electorate didn't

:51:04. > :51:04.have a chance. Why will it be have a chance. Why will it be

:51:05. > :51:06.have a chance. Why will it be different this time? Lynton Crosby

:51:06. > :51:07.different this time? Lynton Crosby different this time? Lynton Crosby

:51:08. > :51:09.different this time? Lynton Crosby is a huge addition to the team. We

:51:09. > :51:11.is a huge addition to the team. We is a huge addition to the team. We

:51:11. > :51:12.is a huge addition to the team. We haven't seen the impact of him yet.

:51:12. > :51:13.haven't seen the impact of him yet. haven't seen the impact of him yet.

:51:13. > :51:14.People concentrate on his role in People concentrate on his role in

:51:14. > :51:15.People concentrate on his role in the Michael Howard campaign and the

:51:15. > :51:16.the Michael Howard campaign and the the Michael Howard campaign and the

:51:16. > :51:17.values of that campaign, but the values of that campaign, but the

:51:17. > :51:19.values of that campaign, but the values of that campaign, but the

:51:19. > :51:21.main thing is that he does campaign main thing is that he does campaign

:51:21. > :51:22.main thing is that he does campaign discipline. He chooses a theme, he

:51:22. > :51:23.discipline. He chooses a theme, he discipline. He chooses a theme, he

:51:23. > :51:25.thinks what do we want the thinks what do we want the

:51:25. > :51:27.thinks what do we want the electorate to be thinking about in

:51:27. > :51:27.electorate to be thinking about in electorate to be thinking about in

:51:27. > :51:28.the polling booth? He starts the polling booth? He starts

:51:28. > :51:30.the polling booth? He starts the polling booth? He starts

:51:30. > :51:32.planning now to ensure that is the planning now to ensure that is the

:51:32. > :51:32.planning now to ensure that is the case. On Lynton, the lesson from

:51:32. > :51:35.case. On Lynton, the lesson from case. On Lynton, the lesson from

:51:35. > :51:37.case. On Lynton, the lesson from Boris is you have to be awe thenic.

:51:37. > :51:38.Boris is you have to be awe thenic. Boris is you have to be awe thenic.

:51:38. > :51:39.People will disagree with you but People will disagree with you but

:51:39. > :51:39.People will disagree with you but they respect you if they think

:51:39. > :51:40.they respect you if they think they respect you if they think

:51:40. > :51:42.you're telling the truth. That was you're telling the truth. That was

:51:42. > :51:42.you're telling the truth. That was you're telling the truth. That was

:51:42. > :51:43.done in less than 20 seconds. Thank done in less than 20 seconds. Thank

:51:43. > :51:44.done in less than 20 seconds. Thank done in less than 20 seconds. Thank

:51:44. > :51:46.you for. That a lot of conferences you for. That a lot of conferences

:51:46. > :51:47.you for. That a lot of conferences on that weekend. We have the

:51:48. > :51:51.on that weekend. We have the Liberal Democrat, the socialist

:51:51. > :51:53.Liberal Democrat, the socialist Liberal Democrat, the socialist

:51:53. > :51:55.workers, Conservative home. What a workers, Conservative home. What a

:51:55. > :51:56.workers, Conservative home. What a medley. What a wonderful weekend!

:51:56. > :51:57.medley. What a wonderful weekend! medley. What a wonderful weekend!

:51:57. > :51:58.medley. What a wonderful weekend! Sz to sad that we live for these

:51:58. > :51:59.Sz to sad that we live for these Sz to sad that we live for these

:51:59. > :52:00.Sz to sad that we live for these kind of things. Who wants to watch

:52:00. > :52:02.kind of things. Who wants to watch kind of things. Who wants to watch

:52:02. > :52:05.Premiership football. Let's get our Premiership football. Let's get our

:52:05. > :52:06.Premiership football. Let's get our anoraks. Thank you gentlemen. Now

:52:06. > :52:08.anoraks. Thank you gentlemen. Now anoraks. Thank you gentlemen. Now

:52:08. > :52:09.on Wednesday's programme we had the on Wednesday's programme we had the

:52:09. > :52:10.Conservative culture minister, Ed Conservative culture minister, Ed

:52:10. > :52:10.Conservative culture minister, Ed Conservative culture minister, Ed

:52:11. > :52:11.Vaizey, on. He's an old friend of Vaizey, on. He's an old friend of

:52:11. > :52:15.Vaizey, on. He's an old friend of the show. We discussed the

:52:15. > :52:16.the show. We discussed the the show. We discussed the

:52:16. > :52:17.Government's spending cuts. I asked Government's spending cuts. I asked

:52:17. > :52:19.Government's spending cuts. I asked Government's spending cuts. I asked

:52:19. > :52:19.him what the budget was for the him what the budget was for the

:52:19. > :52:21.him what the budget was for the department for Culture, Media &

:52:21. > :52:24.department for Culture, Media & department for Culture, Media &

:52:24. > :52:25.Sport. It's tiny, a few billion Sport. It's tiny, a few billion

:52:25. > :52:27.Sport. It's tiny, a few billion quid. They're saving a couple of

:52:27. > :52:28.quid. They're saving a couple of quid. They're saving a couple of

:52:28. > :52:29.billion right away, nobody would billion right away, nobody would

:52:29. > :52:32.billion right away, nobody would notice if your department went,

:52:32. > :52:35.notice if your department went, notice if your department went,

:52:35. > :52:36.would they? It's a very good would they? It's a very good

:52:36. > :52:38.would they? It's a very good argument that's usually run. You

:52:38. > :52:39.argument that's usually run. You argument that's usually run. You

:52:39. > :52:40.see a familiar threat -- pamphlet see a familiar threat -- pamphlet

:52:40. > :52:41.see a familiar threat -- pamphlet and start with my department, you

:52:41. > :52:42.and start with my department, you and start with my department, you

:52:42. > :52:45.and start with my department, you know you don't have to read further,

:52:45. > :52:45.know you don't have to read further, because you're dealing with

:52:45. > :52:48.because you're dealing with somebody who economically

:52:48. > :52:49.somebody who economically somebody who economically

:52:49. > :52:53.illiterate. Let me just get this illiterate. Let me just get this

:52:53. > :52:54.illiterate. Let me just get this right. A Government minister is

:52:54. > :52:56.right. A Government minister is right. A Government minister is

:52:56. > :52:57.calling the Institute of Economic calling the Institute of Economic

:52:57. > :53:01.Affairs economically illiterate Affairs economically illiterate

:53:01. > :53:01.Affairs economically illiterate Affairs economically illiterate

:53:01. > :53:02.that regard, yes. Really?For a few that regard, yes. Really?For a few

:53:02. > :53:05.that regard, yes. Really?For a few hundred million you'd get the

:53:05. > :53:06.hundred million you'd get the hundred million you'd get the

:53:06. > :53:07.world's best museums, best arts world's best museums, best arts

:53:07. > :53:09.world's best museums, best arts organisations. You get for a tiny

:53:09. > :53:10.organisations. You get for a tiny department, delivering a world-

:53:10. > :53:11.department, delivering a world- class Olympics, delivering

:53:11. > :53:13.class Olympics, delivering Broadband infrastructure throughout

:53:13. > :53:17.Broadband infrastructure throughout Broadband infrastructure throughout

:53:17. > :53:18.Broadband infrastructure throughout the country. And so it went on. The

:53:18. > :53:19.the country. And so it went on. The the country. And so it went on. The

:53:19. > :53:21.Institute of Economic Affairs were Institute of Economic Affairs were

:53:21. > :53:22.Institute of Economic Affairs were upset with the comments. We invited

:53:22. > :53:23.upset with the comments. We invited upset with the comments. We invited

:53:23. > :53:25.upset with the comments. We invited Mr Vaizey to come back and discuss

:53:25. > :53:26.Mr Vaizey to come back and discuss Mr Vaizey to come back and discuss

:53:26. > :53:27.the issue. Unfortunately he's not the issue. Unfortunately he's not

:53:27. > :53:28.the issue. Unfortunately he's not available. Because he's in his

:53:28. > :53:29.available. Because he's in his available. Because he's in his

:53:29. > :53:30.constituency. Given the gravity of constituency. Given the gravity of

:53:30. > :53:32.constituency. Given the gravity of the charge that the organisation

:53:32. > :53:35.the charge that the organisation the charge that the organisation

:53:35. > :53:37.called the institute of economics called the institute of economics

:53:37. > :53:38.affairs is economically illiterate affairs is economically illiterate

:53:38. > :53:39.affairs is economically illiterate we have the Director-General with

:53:39. > :53:40.we have the Director-General with we have the Director-General with

:53:40. > :53:41.us, Mark Littlewood. So Mark, I'm us, Mark Littlewood. So Mark, I'm

:53:41. > :53:46.us, Mark Littlewood. So Mark, I'm us, Mark Littlewood. So Mark, I'm

:53:46. > :53:46.going to give you a test here. This going to give you a test here. This

:53:46. > :53:51.going to give you a test here. This is your specialist subject is

:53:51. > :53:52.is your specialist subject is is your specialist subject is

:53:52. > :53:56.economics. We have three questions economics. We have three questions

:53:56. > :53:58.economics. We have three questions for you starting now. Using the

:53:58. > :54:00.for you starting now. Using the for you starting now. Using the

:54:00. > :54:01.Economist Big Mac index, which uses Economist Big Mac index, which uses

:54:01. > :54:02.purchasing power parity theory, purchasing power parity theory,

:54:02. > :54:03.purchasing power parity theory, which of the following countries is

:54:03. > :54:03.which of the following countries is which of the following countries is

:54:04. > :54:06.which of the following countries is the most expensive place to buy a

:54:06. > :54:08.the most expensive place to buy a the most expensive place to buy a

:54:08. > :54:13.Big Mac? Japan, Britain or Brazil? Big Mac? Japan, Britain or Brazil?

:54:13. > :54:18.Big Mac? Japan, Britain or Brazil? Big Mac? Japan, Britain or Brazil?

:54:18. > :54:21.I'm going to say Japan. The answer I'm going to say Japan. The answer

:54:21. > :54:22.I'm going to say Japan. The answer is Brazil. $5.64. Japan is the

:54:22. > :54:23.is Brazil. $5.64. Japan is the is Brazil. $5.64. Japan is the

:54:23. > :54:24.cheapest actually. There are two cheapest actually. There are two

:54:24. > :54:25.cheapest actually. There are two economists called Vicky and Chris.

:54:25. > :54:27.economists called Vicky and Chris. economists called Vicky and Chris.

:54:27. > :54:29.economists called Vicky and Chris. Both accused of a crime. They have

:54:30. > :54:31.Both accused of a crime. They have Both accused of a crime. They have

:54:31. > :54:33.to decide separately whether to to decide separately whether to