:11:06. > :11:10.story. It is not worth the paper it is written on, according to him!
:11:10. > :11:15.This is a good idea but you have to balance it with the principle that
:11:15. > :11:19.people should be elected to Parliament and go out to do things,
:11:19. > :11:22.sometimes courageous things that in the short term may not be
:11:22. > :11:29.immediately popular. After five years, people can have
:11:29. > :11:38.their say. That is an opportunity to kick
:11:38. > :11:42.people out. That is why we need a bit of recall. You can be sent to
:11:42. > :11:52.prison for less than a year and still there would be no mechanism,
:11:52. > :11:59.
:11:59. > :12:09.this plug the gap. How much cash how many of these aren't going to
:12:09. > :12:09.
:12:09. > :31:40.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1171 seconds
:31:41. > :31:47.growth going means he will now borrow �96 billion instead, yes or
:31:47. > :31:52.no? Three years ago we said we would cut the deficit and we have cut the
:31:52. > :31:57.deficit by a third. That is what is happening. On the issue of what
:31:57. > :32:01.people said a few years ago, the very first time the leader of the
:32:01. > :32:10.opposition came to that despatch box he attacked me for taking child
:32:10. > :32:16.benefit away from higher earners. And yet today we learn it is now
:32:16. > :32:26.Labour's official policy to take child benefit away. Total and utter
:32:26. > :32:32.
:32:32. > :32:35.confusion. Perhaps he can explain Government has revived plans for a
:32:35. > :32:40.right of recall. Instead of a proposal that would mean politicians
:32:40. > :32:46.sitting in judgment of politicians, can my honourable friend make it
:32:46. > :32:52.clear that a recall mechanism will involve a ballot. A chance for
:32:52. > :32:56.constituents to make the final decision before an MP is removed?
:32:56. > :33:00.know he has campaigned long and hard on issues of direct democracy and
:33:00. > :33:05.has considerable expertise about them. I think the right approach and
:33:05. > :33:09.the one we put forward before is to say yes of course there should be a
:33:09. > :33:13.constituency mechanism but before that there ought to be an act of
:33:13. > :33:16.censure by a committee of this House for wrongdoing. That's the right
:33:16. > :33:26.approach. I know that we won't necessarily agree about this but we
:33:26. > :33:26.
:33:26. > :38:50.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1171 seconds
:38:50. > :38:53.will bring forward our proposals, evidence from that, perhaps he will
:38:53. > :38:58.listen to the Labour minister in the NHS at the time. Fortunately,
:38:58. > :39:04.he lost his seat in Warwickshire to a Conservative! But this is what he
:39:04. > :39:09.says. In many ways, GPS got the best deal they ever had from their
:39:09. > :39:13.2004 contract and since then, we have, in a sense, been recovering.
:39:13. > :39:16.That is what happened. One million more people coming through our
:39:16. > :39:21.doors, an excellent performance by doctors and nurses but let down by
:39:21. > :39:27.the last Labour government. He has been peddling this line about the
:39:27. > :39:35.GP contract for some months now. But let's just understand this.
:39:35. > :39:45.What happened to A&E witchs between 2004 and 2010? They fell
:39:45. > :39:45.
:39:45. > :39:50.dramatically. -- A&E waits. The head of Practitioners said, I think
:39:50. > :39:55.it is lazy to blame that contract. They are blaming a contract that is
:39:55. > :39:59.nearly 10 years old that became a problem recently. That is the
:39:59. > :40:07.reality, Mr Speaker, about the contract. And now let's turn to a
:40:07. > :40:13.problem that even he cannot deny. These A&E pressures have been
:40:13. > :40:17.compounded by three years of structural reform. In other words,
:40:18. > :40:23.the top-down reorganisation that nobody wanted and nobody voted for.
:40:23. > :40:27.Why doesn't he admit what everybody in the health service knows? That
:40:27. > :40:37.that top-down reorganisation diverted resources away from
:40:37. > :40:37.
:40:37. > :40:41.There are now more cancelled operations I am quoting the Labour
:40:41. > :40:45.Minister responsible for this who points out this was part of the
:40:45. > :40:49.problem. If people want to know what went wrong under the NHS under
:40:49. > :40:53.Labour, they only have to look at the mid Staffordshire hospital. If
:40:53. > :40:57.people want to know what's going wrong with the NHS under Labour now,
:40:57. > :41:01.they only need to look at Wales. Wales where they haven't met any of
:41:01. > :41:06.their targets, where they cut the NHS by 8%, that is the effect of
:41:06. > :41:08.Labour in Wales. He talks about reorganisation. The fact is we have
:41:08. > :41:18.been scrapping bureaucracy and putting that money into the
:41:18. > :41:19.
:41:19. > :42:08.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1171 seconds
:42:08. > :42:12.putting that money into the frontline. That's why there are They
:42:12. > :42:18.told us they were going to be men of iron discipline. And yet they said
:42:18. > :42:22.do I think the last Labour Government spent too much, had too
:42:22. > :42:32.much debt. No I don't think there is evidence for that. On the economy
:42:32. > :42:36.
:42:36. > :42:39.they're weak and divided ap the same old Labour. The people of Epping
:42:39. > :42:46.Forest want to have a referendum on our relationship with the European
:42:46. > :42:50.Union. Well, my right honourable friend welcomed the private members'
:42:50. > :42:55.bill brought forward by the honourable member for Stockton,
:42:55. > :43:00.which would require a referendum by 2017 and will he enthusiastically
:43:00. > :43:06.encourage members on all sides of the House to vote for it when it
:43:06. > :43:11.comes forward? I certainly welcome the private members' bill brought
:43:11. > :43:15.forward by my honourable friend. It's right to hold that referendum
:43:15. > :43:21.before the end of 2017. The interesting thing about today's
:43:21. > :43:27.newspapers is that we read that half of the Labour Shadow cabinet want a
:43:27. > :43:34.referendum too. Hands up who wants a referendum? Come on, don't be shy!
:43:34. > :43:43.Why don't you want to let the people choose? The people's party doesn't
:43:43. > :43:49.trust the people! Thatcher said her greatest achievement was New Labour.
:43:49. > :43:53.Given the treacherous decision to commit a Tory spending plans, is his
:43:53. > :44:03.greatest achievement one nation Labour? I hope I can do a bit better
:44:03. > :44:08.
:44:08. > :44:14.than that. Will the Prime Minister confirm that he will recall
:44:14. > :44:19.parliament before any action is taken to arm the Syrian opposition
:44:19. > :44:22.during the recess? I have never been someone who's wanted to stand
:44:22. > :44:26.against the House having to say on any of thesish use and I have always
:44:26. > :44:30.been someone early on to make sure that parliament is recalled to
:44:30. > :44:35.discuss important issues. Let me stress, as I did on Monday, no
:44:35. > :44:40.decision has been taken to arm the rebels so I don't think this issue
:44:40. > :44:44.arises but I supported holding that vote on Iraq. In my premiership when
:44:44. > :44:47.there was the issue of Libya I recalled the House as soon as I
:44:47. > :44:53.could and allow the House to have a vote. This issue doesn't arise at
:44:53. > :44:57.present because we have made no decision to arm the rebels.
:44:57. > :45:02.again we have no answers from the Prime Minister who blames everyone
:45:02. > :45:06.but himself and denies a crisis in the A&E. Let me give him one more
:45:06. > :45:12.chance to try and give an answer to this House. Why doesn't he admit
:45:12. > :45:16.what everyone in the health service knows, the reorganisation has
:45:16. > :45:26.diverted attention, has diverted resources away from patient care and
:45:26. > :45:28.
:45:28. > :45:33.he has betrayed his promises. Can we now have an answer? The on bigs of
:45:33. > :45:36.the bureaucracy that this Government has brought about will put billions
:45:36. > :45:42.back. The point he has to take on, this Government made a decision,
:45:42. > :45:49.which was not to cut the NHS. We are putting �12. 7 billion extra into
:45:49. > :45:53.the NHS. That decision was described as irresponsible by his own Shadow
:45:53. > :45:56.Secretary of State. If Labour was in power they would be cutting the NHS.
:45:56. > :46:01.How do eknow that? Because that's what they're doing in Wales. Where
:46:01. > :46:10.they cut the NHS by 8%. He may not like his own policy, but that's what
:46:10. > :46:12.it is. Beyond child benefit, has the Prime Minister received any
:46:12. > :46:20.representations consistent representations, on welfare reform
:46:20. > :46:28.from the party opposite? I know that I've been the one on holiday in
:46:28. > :46:32.Ibiza, but they've been take taking policy altering substances! Last
:46:32. > :46:36.week they were in favour of child benefit, now they're against it.
:46:36. > :46:42.Then they were in favour of winter fuel allowance, now they want to
:46:42. > :46:46.abolish it. And only this morning, only this morning, we find out that
:46:46. > :46:50.they may not go ahead with this policy of scrapping child benefit. I
:46:50. > :46:55.think the truth is that the Leader of the Opposition is allowed to make
:46:55. > :47:02.coffee for the Shadow Chancellor, but he can't tell him what the
:47:02. > :47:07.policy is! Could the Prime Minister assure the House that the Bill on
:47:07. > :47:15.lobbying will include a ban on people paying �50,000 to dine in
:47:15. > :47:18.Downing Street? What the Bill on lobbying will do is have a register
:47:18. > :47:22.for lobbyist, which has been promised and should be delivered.
:47:22. > :47:26.What the Bill on lobbying will also do is make sure we look at the
:47:26. > :47:36.impact of all third parties on our politics, including the trade
:47:36. > :47:38.
:47:38. > :47:42.unions. Does my right honourable friend agree that the actions of the
:47:42. > :47:45.European Court on human rights is seeking to frustrate the will of the
:47:45. > :47:50.British people in ridding ourselves of terrorists, illustrates the
:47:50. > :47:53.extent to which that court has betrayed its original mandate and I
:47:53. > :47:56.wonder if he could update the House on what actions he proposes the
:47:56. > :48:02.Government to take? I wonder if he has read the comments of the
:48:02. > :48:09.President of that court, if we were to succeed it would put our record
:48:09. > :48:12.on credibility in doubt whereas it's the credibility is in doubt.
:48:12. > :48:17.completely understand and share much of my honourable friend's
:48:17. > :48:21.frustration. We should remember that Britain helped to found the European
:48:21. > :48:25.Court of Human Rights and it has played an important role in making
:48:25. > :48:31.sure Europe never suffers the abuses that we saw, but 50 years on, it's
:48:31. > :48:34.absolutely clear this court needs reform. My right honourable friend,
:48:34. > :48:38.the former Justice Secretary, led that process of reform and we have
:48:38. > :48:43.achieved some changes, but it's quite clear to me we need further
:48:43. > :48:48.changes and the court to focus on real abuses and not on overruling
:48:48. > :48:53.parliaments. Mr Speaker, the north-east has renewable energy
:48:53. > :48:59.industries ready to invest, but they need certainty. Yesterday, MPs from
:48:59. > :49:05.all sides of the House voted for a decarbonisation target. Given that
:49:05. > :49:10.his majority was slashed to just 23, would he show some leadership and
:49:10. > :49:14.think again and back British industry in green jobs? I understand
:49:14. > :49:18.completely the point the honourable lady makes and I do agree that
:49:18. > :49:22.businesses need certainty and that's why we have given the certainty of a
:49:22. > :49:26.levy control framework of over �7 billion. That's why we have given
:49:26. > :49:30.them the certainty of if they sign contracts now, they get the
:49:30. > :49:34.renewable obligations for 20 years. We have given them the certainty of
:49:34. > :49:40.a Green Investment Bank, but does it make sense to fix a target now
:49:40. > :49:44.before we have agreed the carbon budget and before we even know where
:49:44. > :49:54.capture and storage works properly? The businesses I talk to say that
:49:54. > :49:54.
:49:54. > :49:59.it's not their priority. People convicted of sex offences against
:49:59. > :50:04.children are supposed to face a prison sentence. Will the Prime
:50:04. > :50:09.Minister retire judges who fail to imprison convicted paedophiles?
:50:09. > :50:13.There is obviously in our country a very important separation of powers
:50:13. > :50:16.and politicians are not, although in spite of the fact we might like to
:50:16. > :50:19.comment, on individual judges. We shouldn't and it would be a
:50:19. > :50:22.dangerous road, but we have clear laws we pass inside this country
:50:22. > :50:28.about how serious Parliament thinks offences are and judges should pay
:50:28. > :50:35.heed to those laws. I'm going to give him another chance to answer on
:50:35. > :50:41.recall. Does he seriously plan to give a Parliamentary committee the
:50:41. > :50:45.right to block the public's chance to vote on recalling a convicted MP?
:50:45. > :50:49.I want to say, it's not the thinking. The thinking is this - of
:50:49. > :50:54.course, you want to have a process whereby constituents, threw a
:50:54. > :50:58.petition, can call for the recall of their MP. But because the main way
:50:58. > :51:03.we throw MPs out of Parliament is at an election, there should be a cause
:51:03. > :51:06.for that recall to take place. That is why we have a standards Standards
:51:06. > :51:11.and Privileges Committee and why it now has outside members. That is why
:51:11. > :51:15.that committee has the power to suspend members of Parliament and to
:51:15. > :51:18.expel them and I believe, but we can debate and discuss this across the
:51:18. > :51:27.House, I think it would be right, before you trigger a recall, that
:51:27. > :51:30.there should be some sort of censure by the House to in order to ensure
:51:30. > :51:35.vexatious attempts of getting rid of members who are doing a reasonable
:51:35. > :51:39.job. Some of us on the benches believe Government plans to replace
:51:39. > :51:43.20,000 regulars, including the 2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of
:51:43. > :51:48.Fusiliers with 30,000 reservists will prove a false economy. The
:51:49. > :51:55.present TA mobilisation rate of 40% suggests we need 50,000 reservists
:51:55. > :51:59.and financial incentives will mean ex-regular reservists will be on
:51:59. > :52:03.better pay than a bridge deer. Further to our letter to the Prime
:52:04. > :52:08.Minister of 9th April, will he meet with us to discuss this and other
:52:08. > :52:12.concerns, including the wisdom of this policy in this increasingly
:52:12. > :52:16.uncertain world? I'm always happy to meet with my honourable friend and
:52:16. > :52:22.discuss these and, indeed, other issues. The point I would make to
:52:22. > :52:27.him, is that in Spending Review, we produced �1. 5 about in order to
:52:27. > :52:31.provide the uplift for the TA that it requires, because I'm absolutely
:52:31. > :52:34.convinced it is right to have a different balance between regular
:52:34. > :52:37.and reserves as other countries have done, but obviously, it's absolutely
:52:37. > :52:40.vital that we get that new recruitment of our reserve forces.
:52:41. > :52:45.That's why the money is there. On the wider issues of defence that I
:52:45. > :52:48.know he cares about, the point I would make is we'll have some of the
:52:48. > :52:53.best-equipped forces anywhere in the world. We'll have the new aircraft
:52:53. > :52:58.carriers for the Navy and the hunter killer submarines and the Joint
:52:58. > :53:01.Strike Fighter and of course, the excellent typhoon and the A 400M
:53:01. > :53:04.will be into service and when you talk to the troops in Afghanistan
:53:04. > :53:11.they now tell you they are better equipped, better protected and
:53:11. > :53:15.provided for than they've ever been in our history. The Prime Minister's
:53:15. > :53:23.pledge to lead against hunger at the G8 and the UN is welcome. Will it
:53:23. > :53:26.extend to EU negotiations on the future of the misdirected 10%
:53:26. > :53:29.directive on biofuels, which basically burns as fuel for Europe,
:53:29. > :53:33.which should be food for the poor? Does the Prime Minister recognise
:53:33. > :53:41.that that mandate is driving land grabs and raising food prices
:53:41. > :53:44.compounding hunger and adding to carbon emissions? He'll be deleted
:53:45. > :53:48.we are bringing the G8 to Northern Ireland and we can discuss some of
:53:48. > :53:52.these issues at that meeting. I agree with him, that we shouldn't
:53:52. > :53:59.allow the production of biofuels to undermine food security. We want to
:53:59. > :54:06.go further than the Commission's proposed cap of 5% on cbasebased
:54:06. > :54:11.biofuels, so there is considerable merit in what he says. The weekend
:54:11. > :54:14.before last there was a community swim which could have become a
:54:14. > :54:19.tragedy where it not for the brave efforts of the emergency services
:54:19. > :54:22.and in particular the volunteer coastguards and the RNLI. Can the
:54:22. > :54:30.Prime Minister join with me in thanking our volunteer coastguards
:54:30. > :54:35.and in particular Paul Callaghan, Paul Barker and Rob Kelvey in
:54:35. > :54:40.pulling out 63 people from the water? I certainly join the
:54:40. > :54:44.honourable lady. The RNLI do an extraordinary job for our country.
:54:44. > :54:48.They are really one of our emergency services and should be treated as
:54:48. > :54:53.such. I think she is absolutely right to raise this case and I join
:54:53. > :54:57.her in paying tribute to those people. I wonder if the Prime
:54:57. > :55:01.Minister can assist me with a question that the Treasury have been
:55:01. > :55:07.unable to answer for the last two months? Will British taxpayers'
:55:07. > :55:12.money be used to guarantee the mortgages of foreign citizens who
:55:12. > :55:22.buy property here? The Chancellor will set out details of this in the
:55:22. > :55:27.
:55:27. > :55:32.announcements that he plans to make. I want to hear Mr Davies, the voice
:55:32. > :55:38.of Shipley. Let's hear him. recently visited my brother in
:55:38. > :55:42.hospital in Doncaster to find that to use the TV above his bed would
:55:42. > :55:46.cost him �6 a day. Can the Prime Minister justify why it costs
:55:46. > :55:50.hospital patients �42 a week to watch the television when it only
:55:50. > :55:54.costs prisoners �1 a week to watch the TV and if he can't justify it,
:55:54. > :55:59.can he tell us what he'll do about it? As someone who has spent a lot
:55:59. > :56:03.of time in hospitals, I absolutely share his frustrations. It was the
:56:03. > :56:11.last Government that introduced the charges on televisions in hospital
:56:11. > :56:14.in the year 2 00. -- 2000. Many an hour I've spent with that
:56:14. > :56:18.complicated telephone and credit card system that you have to try to
:56:18. > :56:23.make work. These are, I'm afraid, devolved decisions that local
:56:23. > :56:26.hospitals can now make themselves. In terms of prisons, my right
:56:26. > :56:32.honourable friend the Lord Chancellor is doing something. He's
:56:32. > :56:36.taking the unacceptable situation from the Labour Party, where you can
:56:36. > :56:45.take out a Sky subscription when you are in prison and making sure that
:56:45. > :56:49.prisoners pay if they use the television. The Justice Secretary's
:56:49. > :56:57.slashing of the Legal Aid budget will lead to quality advice being
:56:57. > :57:01.the exclusive preserve of the rich and privileged. Given that the --
:57:01. > :57:06.that situation, is this by design or appearance? First, I think everyone
:57:06. > :57:09.in the House has to recognise that we need to grapple with the Legal
:57:09. > :57:14.Aid bill. Even the Labour Party, in their manifesto at the last general
:57:14. > :57:19.election, said they were going to look at the costs of Legal Aid. The
:57:19. > :57:25.fact is, per head we spend �39 per head of the population, whereas in
:57:25. > :57:33.New Zealand with a common law system they spend �8 per head. The total
:57:33. > :57:36.cost of the top three criminal cases in 2011-12 was �21 million. Now, at
:57:36. > :57:40.a time when we are having to make difficult decisions, I think it's
:57:40. > :57:43.absolutely right to look at Legal Aid. We put out a consultation and
:57:43. > :57:52.the responses have been received. We can consider those responses
:57:52. > :57:58.carefully, but we do need to make reductions in it. A loan of �50,000
:57:58. > :58:05.from the regional growth fund through the local society has helped
:58:05. > :58:08.create 12 jobs in just six months in manufacturing start-up firms. With
:58:08. > :58:12.the manufacturing purchasing managers' index at a 14-month high,
:58:12. > :58:18.can I encourage the Prime Minister in his determination to restore the
:58:18. > :58:21.UK as a manufacturing powerhouse? I'm grateful for my honourable
:58:21. > :58:25.friend's question. I think there has been some more welcome news about
:58:25. > :58:28.the economy continuing to heal. We saw the services figures out today.
:58:28. > :58:32.The construction figures are out yesterday. The growth figures in the
:58:32. > :58:35.economy. We are making progress. But we have to stick to the plan. We
:58:35. > :58:39.have to stick to the difficult decisions that we are taking and
:58:39. > :58:45.avoid the complete chaos and confusion being offered by the party
:58:46. > :58:50.opposite. Before the election the Prime Minister said there would be
:58:50. > :58:54.no more top-down re-organisations in the NHS and later went on to say he
:58:54. > :58:59.wouldn't lose control of waiting times in A&E departments. Why does
:58:59. > :59:05.he keep making promises that he just can't keep? What we promised is we
:59:05. > :59:09.wouldn't cut the NHS, but put extra money in. We are putting in �12. 7
:59:09. > :59:16.billion extra. Let me say it one more time - Labour's official policy
:59:16. > :59:26.is to cut the NHS. They said that our policy - it's not. That's
:59:26. > :59:31.changed as well. We have a new health policy! Honestly, so many you
:59:31. > :59:37.turns, they should be having a Grand Prix. -- so many U-turns, they
:59:38. > :59:43.should be having a Grand Prix. A&E staff shortages don't develop in
:59:43. > :59:47.three years, but will the Prime Minister look into why the downgrade
:59:47. > :59:53.of Cheltenham A&E is going ahead without the outcome of the public
:59:53. > :00:01.consultation being considered in public either by the clinical
:00:01. > :00:05.commissioning group or the health and well of being board?
:00:05. > :00:10.re-organisation has to meet the test that's the Health Secretary sets
:00:10. > :00:15.out, but he's right to say there is no-one single cause of difficulties
:00:16. > :00:19.we face. Clearly, one million extra patients is a huge amount extra. We
:00:19. > :00:23.have increased the funds going into the NHS, but there are big
:00:23. > :00:27.challenges to meet. The question is, will we meet them by cutting the
:00:27. > :00:30.NHS, which was Labour's policy? Will we meet them by another
:00:30. > :00:35.re-organisation, which is Labour's policy? No, we won't. We'll deal
:00:35. > :00:45.with this problem by making sure we manage the NHS effectively and
:00:45. > :00:46.
:00:46. > :00:50.continue to put the money in. journalist masquerading as a
:00:50. > :00:55.lobbyist entrapped a Tory MP that the Prime Minister decided to launch
:00:55. > :00:59.an all-out attack on trade unions? He conveniently forgets to mention
:00:59. > :01:04.the Labour peers. I think we do have a problem in Parliament with the
:01:04. > :01:09.influence of third parties. We do need to deal with that. Clearly, the
:01:09. > :01:14.matter of all-party Parliamentary groups. Clearly, that needs to be
:01:14. > :01:18.looked at. As we promised in the coalition agreement, we'll bring
:01:18. > :01:27.forward a lobbying register and we will bring forward some measures to
:01:27. > :01:30.make sure the trade unions behave properly too. May I commend my right
:01:30. > :01:36.honourable friend's strong support for the continuation of the British
:01:36. > :01:40.nuclear deterrent? Now the alternatives to Trident study has
:01:40. > :01:44.concluded there are none, cheaper or more effectively, what are the
:01:44. > :01:49.reasons for delaying a main-gate decision so the matter can be
:01:49. > :01:52.settled in this Parliament? We have set out very clearly the steps that
:01:52. > :01:57.need to be taken before that main-gate decision is made, but he
:01:57. > :02:00.knows I'm strongly committed to the renewal of the deterrent on a
:02:00. > :02:04.like-for-like basis. I think it's right for Britain. Obviously, in the
:02:04. > :02:08.coalition, a study has been carried out. My own view is very clear and I
:02:08. > :02:13.looked at the evidence again on becoming Prime Minister. It's that I
:02:14. > :02:18.believe if you want to have a credible deterrent, you need that
:02:19. > :02:23.sea posture and a submarine-based deterrent and not based on cruise
:02:23. > :02:32.missiles, but ICBMs. I believe it's right and all the evidence points in
:02:32. > :02:38.that direction. The family of Drummer Lee Rigby live on an estate
:02:38. > :02:40.in my constituency. I visited the parents last week and they were very
:02:40. > :02:46.appreciative of everything that has been said in support of the family,
:02:46. > :02:52.particularly from the local estate. There was a memorial service held in
:02:53. > :02:56.the town centre, which was greatly attended. Local people were able to
:02:56. > :03:01.pay their respects. Will the Prime Minister join me in commending the
:03:01. > :03:05.people of Middleton for the very strong, but sensitive support for
:03:05. > :03:08.the family during this very sad time? I will certainly join the
:03:08. > :03:12.Monday rabble member for what he said about the people of Middleton
:03:12. > :03:16.and the great respect and support and solidarity that they've shown
:03:17. > :03:19.for the Family of Lee Rigby. There are many lessons to learn from this,
:03:19. > :03:24.as we discussed in the House on Monday, but it is another moment for
:03:24. > :03:28.everyone in this House and in this country to reflect again on the
:03:29. > :03:38.magnificent service that the men and women of our avermed armed forces
:03:39. > :03:39.
:03:39. > :03:43.give -- armed forces give to our country. Today, my friend was
:03:44. > :03:48.awarded a World Health Organisation medal to mark world no tobacco
:03:48. > :03:52.today. Will the Prime Minister congratulate him on this issue and
:03:52. > :03:56.support his campaign for packaging of cigarettes? I missed the
:03:56. > :04:01.beginning of the question, so I didn't hear who got the medal, but
:04:01. > :04:05.whoever it was - certainly, he gave a magnificent introduction to the
:04:05. > :04:15.Queen's Speech and I commend him for his medal, but on the issue of the
:04:15. > :04:26.
:04:26. > :04:30.lot of questions about the waiting lists for A&E from the leader of the
:04:30. > :04:36.opposition. He seemed to answer most by talking about the situation of
:04:36. > :04:39.the health service in Wales, which was interesting, but MrMiliband was
:04:39. > :04:42.asking about England, for which the Prime Minister is responsible
:04:42. > :04:48.through his Health Secretary so we will come to that. We also learn
:04:48. > :04:51.just to mark our cards here from an answer the Prime Minister gave to a
:04:51. > :04:57.Conservative backbencher that if it is the decision of the British
:04:57. > :05:01.Government to arm the Syrian rebels and the EU has changed its policy
:05:01. > :05:05.that would at least allow that to happen, if it happens in the summer
:05:05. > :05:12.the House will be recalled, it will be debated and there will probably I
:05:12. > :05:17.suspect be a vote on it. So we are already all rearc rearcing --
:05:17. > :05:24.rearranging our holidays. First, let's hear from what you made of it
:05:24. > :05:27.all from e-mails They were mainly about the A&E discussion. David
:05:27. > :05:31.said, you are broadcasting the wrong programme, Cameron seems to think
:05:31. > :05:34.this is leader of the opposition questions, if he wants to be the one
:05:34. > :05:37.asking questions rather than answering. Ian said, it was a
:05:38. > :05:44.pathetic performance from Ed Miliband, started badly and went
:05:44. > :05:47.downhill quickly. David Cameron totally crucified him. James said
:05:47. > :05:52.that Ed Miliband seemed to win the day. The Prime Minister doesn't seem
:05:52. > :05:55.to be aware of the catastrophe unfolding throughout the country.
:05:55. > :06:00.John said, Ed Miliband complains about hospital waiting times when
:06:00. > :06:05.his Government allowed in too many immigrants who use the NHS. Another
:06:05. > :06:09.said, the Prime Minister keeps referencing Wales in his answers and
:06:09. > :06:13.questions on the NHS. We will fill you in with information on that in
:06:13. > :06:17.the discussion afterwards. At least I hope we will. Christopher said,
:06:17. > :06:21.why don't both sides raise the subject of society doing their bit
:06:21. > :06:24.to improve the NHS? My wife works for the NHS in radiology and the
:06:24. > :06:28.amount of times the general public don't bother to turn up for their
:06:29. > :06:35.appointment is a travesty. Happens on a daily basis and costs the NHS
:06:35. > :06:40.millions. Interesting point on that. What did you make of that? Briefly
:06:40. > :06:44.picking up the vote over Syria, it's significant, at the time of Iraq the
:06:44. > :06:49.whole debate was, did the Commons have to vote before British troops
:06:49. > :06:52.went to action? The Conservatives came up with a sort of equivalent of
:06:52. > :06:56.the American War Powers Act, the idea parliament should vote in the
:06:56. > :07:01.way Congress has to vote. I think it's interesting that the Prime
:07:01. > :07:05.Minister's extending that, or by implication, he didn't state it,
:07:05. > :07:12.extending that to the sense not if British troops went but there was a
:07:12. > :07:16.decision to arm Syrian rebel it's -- rebels, that that is important
:07:16. > :07:22.enough for parliament to be recalled And problems if there was any covert
:07:22. > :07:24.arming of rebels in a part of the world, by definite significance of
:07:24. > :07:30.covert it could not come to parliament and could back to haunt
:07:30. > :07:33.the Government of the day at a later time. Why are A&E waiting lists the
:07:34. > :07:41.higher for nine years? Those figures being quoted are historic and the
:07:41. > :07:44.numbers have already gone back down. 96. 7% is the number of - that
:07:44. > :07:49.report referred to an earlier quarter where this was a problem.
:07:49. > :07:53.Why? Because there are a million people more a year using the A&Es
:07:53. > :07:56.Why is that? A series of different reasons, but not entirely
:07:56. > :08:00.unconnected in part at least to things like change in the GP
:08:00. > :08:06.contract, if you go back to a long time ago now, but 2004 and look at
:08:06. > :08:10.the numbers attending A&E since GPs no longer had to do weekend and
:08:10. > :08:14.out-of-hours services, you see that chart go up year on year. Why did
:08:14. > :08:18.waiting times not increase between 2004 and 2009 when the GP contract
:08:18. > :08:21.had been introduced? There was an interesting thing... Nothing as bad
:08:21. > :08:24.as they became under your Government. Let's be clear, what
:08:24. > :08:27.Labour did with waiting times was set the four hours, which is fine
:08:27. > :08:32.and we agree with it and that's the measure we are talking about here.
:08:32. > :08:36.What they said with this four-hour waiting list must exist to the
:08:36. > :08:43.exclusion of everything else, so you get situations where people will be
:08:43. > :08:47.moved out of the A&E, sometimes back to an ambulance or ward to make that
:08:47. > :08:51.four hours, worse you would get a Mid-Staffs situation where targets
:08:51. > :08:56.led to inappropriate care and killed people. Now, what we have said is we
:08:56. > :09:01.need to be more flexible about this. There are occasions for whatever
:09:01. > :09:05.reason it's inappropriate to fix as we said, 95% is the four-hour
:09:05. > :09:10.waiting time and at the moment we are hitting 96. 7% You made none of
:09:10. > :09:13.that clear before it started to go pear-shaped. In 2011 in June the
:09:13. > :09:20.Prime Minister said, I refuse to go back to the days when people had to
:09:20. > :09:25.wait for hours on end to be seen in A&E. Let me be absolutely clear, we
:09:25. > :09:29.won't. And yet we - you say it's got better, we will look at that after
:09:29. > :09:31.this programme. But you ended up with the highest for nine years and
:09:31. > :09:35.on top of that you have twice as many people in the back of
:09:35. > :09:41.ambulances, twice as many people on trolleys in the kror doshes. You
:09:41. > :09:46.have not -- corridors. You have not kept your promise We had a tough
:09:46. > :09:50.winter, the weather was particularly harsh, more people wept to A&E, I
:09:50. > :09:55.mentioned we have a million people using A&E. In areas like mine where
:09:55. > :09:59.the last Government closed down our full A&E service in my local
:09:59. > :10:03.hospital that added to more pressures. But it is also worth
:10:03. > :10:09.reflecting that was a single quarter and the numbers have already
:10:10. > :10:14.recovered. Over 96 out of 100 people will not be waiting. I want to get
:10:14. > :10:19.this clear, when the Prime Minister says, as Prime Minister, not in
:10:19. > :10:23.opposition, so let me be absolutely clear we won't, what that means is
:10:23. > :10:27.not what clear English means. It means we won't unless we have a
:10:27. > :10:31.tough winter. We won't unless there are things happen that mean the
:10:31. > :10:34.waiting list times will go up. it means is you don't want to allow
:10:35. > :10:39.that situation to develop and it hasn't because we already know
:10:39. > :10:43.subsequent figures brought it down. And what's more, we are taking
:10:43. > :10:47.important action to make sure this doesn't continue, including to go
:10:47. > :10:50.back to the first point, sorting out the idea that GPs are primarily
:10:50. > :10:53.responsible for the populations in their area. One of the problems is
:10:53. > :10:56.that people now, rather than going to their GP and particularly
:10:56. > :11:01.out-of-hours, say you know what, I know where I can get service, where
:11:01. > :11:06.I can get to see a GP straightaway, I will go to the A&E Clearly not
:11:06. > :11:09.straightaway! It's the highest for nine years. It puts pressures on we
:11:09. > :11:13.are going to fix that by sorting out the GPs at least having
:11:13. > :11:16.responsibility for providing that out-of-hours. I think that's
:11:16. > :11:23.complacent, if you hear day-to-day experiences of people trying to get
:11:23. > :11:28.a proper service and service that was sorted essentially and...
:11:28. > :11:31.Targets have been an important factor in this. Linking it to
:11:31. > :11:34.Mid-Staffs was not appropriate. That was a particular experience and by
:11:34. > :11:41.and large targets worked and people were satisfied they were getting a
:11:41. > :11:45.proper level of service. Targets kill people. They don't.
:11:45. > :11:49.Margaret develop her point. point is one of the things, they
:11:49. > :11:52.keep wanting to blame the GP contracts. One of the Big Issues
:11:52. > :11:57.happening, and you didn't make reference to it, that's the crisis
:11:57. > :12:02.in social care. There is a huge crisis in social care which is
:12:02. > :12:04.blocking up the system in hospitals. Some older people are going directly
:12:05. > :12:07.to A&E and they don't need to because of the collapse of social
:12:07. > :12:12.care that's happening in certain local authorities in England and
:12:12. > :12:16.also with the crisis, for example, in NHS Direct where it was working
:12:16. > :12:23.before and it's now failing badly under your guidance and people are
:12:23. > :12:28.being referred directly into the A&E service. What do you make of his
:12:28. > :12:32.claim that the A&E waiting times are back on track again? Well, that's
:12:32. > :12:35.not what the King's Fund said the other day as I understand it. You
:12:35. > :12:38.were making comments about the different quarters but it seems to
:12:38. > :12:42.me the experience out there and what's been in the papers this week
:12:42. > :12:47.and all the professionals are telling us, there is a crisis and
:12:47. > :12:50.you are saying sorry it was the last quart quarter, not this quarter.
:12:50. > :12:55.King's Fund have said the strain on emergency care in early this year
:12:55. > :13:00.could be repeated next winter. not trying to play politics with it
:13:00. > :13:03.and I accept some of what Margaret said. The number of elderly people,
:13:03. > :13:12.people living longer and pressures that come from that. One of the
:13:12. > :13:17.reasons we want to sort out long-term care in people's homes.
:13:17. > :13:21.They're part of the longer term solution to this. Also giving GPs
:13:21. > :13:24.the clear responsibility through now these clinical commissioning groups
:13:24. > :13:27.to say, you are responsible for these out-of-hours things. It's no
:13:27. > :13:32.longer acceptable to say we are closed, there is an answer phone on
:13:32. > :13:37.and go to your local hospital. me come back to Nick. The Prime
:13:37. > :13:43.Minister was in good form today as we have seen. In terms of policy and
:13:43. > :13:48.change of tone or even stance, this is Labour's week. We have had Ed
:13:48. > :13:52.Balls speech and MrMiliband's tomorrow. There is a significant
:13:52. > :13:55.repositioning of Labour taking place, isn't there? There was meant
:13:56. > :13:59.to be. In other words, the Labour Party have looked at the opinion
:13:59. > :14:03.polls, they know that they had a problem, which is they were not
:14:03. > :14:07.ahead on measures of economic competence, despite the fact the
:14:07. > :14:11.economy's clearly not been going to course. Often oppositions aren't
:14:11. > :14:18.ahead, even Mrs Thatcher from memory was behind before she won that
:14:18. > :14:20.election in 1979 on that measure, but they've also had criticism from
:14:20. > :14:25.senior figures saying it's not good enough to oppose cuts. This was
:14:25. > :14:29.meant to be the week in which the Labour Party said, look, we getting
:14:29. > :14:34.real, if you like, about the choices we will face if we get back into
:14:34. > :14:39.power in two years' time. Linking our discussions, the irony is, and
:14:39. > :14:42.it's sometimes the problem with politics, if you were to go in to
:14:42. > :14:47.the Tory health Minister's department and then to go to the
:14:47. > :14:50.Tory - the Labour Shadow Health Minister's department they would be
:14:50. > :14:52.having the same conversations about the same dilemmas. Neither have
:14:52. > :14:56.money to sort out the problem. They're worried about the GP
:14:56. > :14:59.contract. They're all worried about the fact the large numbers of
:14:59. > :15:05.immigrants came from countries in Eastern Europe where there is no
:15:06. > :15:15.tradition... And tend to go to hospitals first These are shared
:15:16. > :15:28.
:15:28. > :15:33.you very much. We all want a comfortable retirement but unless we
:15:33. > :15:35.start properly saving for the future it's by no means guaranteed.
:15:35. > :15:40.Pensions specialist Margaret De Valois says we all need to save from
:15:40. > :15:50.day one in our working life. She went to the park to join workers
:15:50. > :16:02.
:16:02. > :16:06.enjoying the sun on their lunch Everyone needs to save more for
:16:06. > :16:11.their retirements. It's not rocket science. The earlier you start to
:16:11. > :16:15.save the more money you will have when you retire. In the old days you
:16:15. > :16:25.might have retired at age 60 and lived for another ten years. Now you
:16:25. > :16:31.
:16:31. > :16:36.could be retired for as long as you were working. Pensions is a young
:16:36. > :16:41.person's issue not just old, because we are all living longer and there
:16:41. > :16:46.is less money from the estate. Young people manage to -- State. Young
:16:46. > :16:51.people manage to save for a gap year, so yo not the same focus on
:16:51. > :16:55.pensions? Pensions in a loerm game like health and elderly care, but
:16:55. > :16:58.politicians just look to the future? They just want to get electioned.
:16:58. > :17:03.They don't want to take difficult, long-term decisions to effect
:17:03. > :17:07.generations into the future. Having said that, the Government has done
:17:07. > :17:11.well to introduce automatic enrolment into the workplace. It's
:17:11. > :17:21.been rolled out now. But, some people may be shocked by the drop in
:17:21. > :17:28.
:17:28. > :17:32.their monthly income and decide to a part to play. We, the pensions
:17:32. > :17:36.industry, certainly do and the media as well. Who is is talking about
:17:36. > :17:43.saving for their pension in EastEnders? Pensions is an issue for
:17:43. > :17:46.us all. We need to understand them better and we need to get saving.
:17:46. > :17:51.Margaret de Valois is here with us. Forgive me for asking this question,
:17:51. > :17:55.but you are an expert, so you're going to tell everybody to get a
:17:55. > :18:00.pension. We are, yeah, but it's in the public's best interests. This is
:18:00. > :18:04.not about us, the industry, but about you. This is about the viewers
:18:04. > :18:07.at home. We were talking about long-term care and we are all living
:18:07. > :18:12.longer and we are going to get less from the investment markets, because
:18:12. > :18:17.interest rates are low. It's really important that people put some money
:18:17. > :18:21.a aside and as much as they can, albeit a small amount, so they are
:18:21. > :18:26.protected for the future. How do you persuade young people, who have seen
:18:26. > :18:30.the banking crisis and great economic uncertainty, annuities have
:18:30. > :18:33.been extremely volatile and are very low, thinking what is the point of
:18:33. > :18:38.putting aside that money? Why not spend it or save it for a house for
:18:38. > :18:43.the next ten years, not for the next 40 years? Absolutely. The key with
:18:43. > :18:48.pensions is that they are quite simple. You put in a bit and your
:18:48. > :18:54.employer puts a bit in, or if you are self-employed the Government
:18:54. > :18:59.puts some in. Then the pension fund loses it all. That's what they're
:18:59. > :19:03.worried about! The key is the longer that you save the more you can get
:19:03. > :19:07.that money to grow and to work for you. There is something about paying
:19:07. > :19:10.off the debt first, so if you've got debts to pay off, then it's
:19:10. > :19:14.important to make sure you are from a level playing field, but the
:19:14. > :19:19.longer you can save, the harder the pension will work for you. It's
:19:19. > :19:23.worth thinking about it. The key is to understand pensions and then make
:19:23. > :19:27.a decision as opposed to just assuming that pensions are
:19:27. > :19:32.expensive. That you'll never provide for yourself, so why bother? A
:19:33. > :19:37.little bit will go a long way. persuading people and changing the
:19:37. > :19:41.mindset. They have something at Number Ten, called the Nudge Unit,
:19:41. > :19:47.trying to change behaviour and this is one of the most difficult areas
:19:47. > :19:51.to make people think it's worthwhile doing it. How do you do it? You can
:19:51. > :20:01.say, if you put it aside it will be there later on, but it wasn't worked
:20:01. > :20:05.well. The Nudge Unit has worked. You need to have people enrolling when
:20:05. > :20:09.they go into a job they are automatically signed up. You have to
:20:09. > :20:13.make them do it. That's the result, isn't it, that in the end you have
:20:13. > :20:19.to compel people to do it? I know you can opt out. Have you got any
:20:19. > :20:23.results? It comes in progressively, because smaller companies have to
:20:23. > :20:27.start doing it, but it's starting to come in. It's one of the long-term
:20:27. > :20:32.decisions that we made, along with putting up the pension age and
:20:32. > :20:36.making that automatically linked to the increasing life expectancy.
:20:36. > :20:41.I'm a 25-year-old or 27-year-old, first of all my pay is not keeping
:20:41. > :20:44.pace with invR inflation and living standards are falling. I can't even
:20:44. > :20:48.save enough to get a deposit for a house and that's my first priority.
:20:48. > :20:51.And I'm trying to pay off my student loan. Now you are saying I should
:20:52. > :20:56.also be saving for my person? It ain't going to happen. It's about
:20:56. > :21:00.doing all of those things. I haven't got the money. It's about
:21:00. > :21:05.prioritising and how will the money work hardest. If you are not
:21:05. > :21:09.contributing to a pension you are giving up free cash. If your
:21:09. > :21:14.employer is saying they'll give you money as well and you are not taking
:21:14. > :21:19.advantage, then it's free money. started my printing company with �20
:21:19. > :21:24.a month and all the years later it's worth a fortune. I don't think mine
:21:24. > :21:28.is worth anything now. But, as has been said, if you get the tax back
:21:28. > :21:32.and you can get a longer-term build, then it's worthwhile, which is why
:21:32. > :21:36.you have to do it through contributions being automatically
:21:36. > :21:39.taken from salaries. We need to come to terms with it, because people
:21:39. > :21:48.don't have pensions when they're older and we'll pay the price in
:21:48. > :21:54.another way. We'll all be working until we are 90. The other thing in
:21:54. > :21:57.2016 there will be �160 a week for the pension. We'll be doing The
:21:57. > :22:02.Daily Politics until we're 95 and won't need a pension. Only another
:22:02. > :22:07.ten years. In your caseDid you hear that? That's what I have to put up
:22:07. > :22:13.with! Thank you. Here's a question and for the record I don't want any
:22:13. > :22:19.cash for it. Well, maybe a little bit. Is Parliament sleazy? You will
:22:19. > :22:22.be forgiven for thinking so, but does the mother of parliaments get a
:22:22. > :22:26.bad press and aren't most of the public corruptible? You got the
:22:26. > :22:31.cheque in the post for watching The Daily Politics today and bumping up
:22:31. > :22:35.our viewing figures from three to six and we have been out on the
:22:35. > :22:40.streets with some big, brown envelopes. Has someone offered you a
:22:40. > :22:44.bribe to do something? No. My mum has to clean my room. Has anyone
:22:44. > :22:48.ever tried to bribe you to bend the rules? No.You never tried to bribe
:22:48. > :22:53.someone else? No. Perfectly honest. Would you say Italy's a corrupt
:22:54. > :23:01.country? Yeah. Now, sure.What is the worst example of corruption from
:23:01. > :23:08.Italy? Berlusconi.Has anyone ever tried to bribe you? Yes.Really? Can
:23:08. > :23:14.you tell me about it? She wanted to skip the queue in a restaurant.
:23:14. > :23:19.they offer you money? Yeah, but not enough. For some people this will be
:23:19. > :23:23.a liberal response, but I think some people are corrupt or have
:23:23. > :23:27.tendencies to corruption and I think that often goes with power. Have you
:23:27. > :23:31.never been tempted to offer a bribe to somebody? No, never been in a
:23:31. > :23:35.position to do so really. Either with the money or the situation.
:23:35. > :23:45.would bribe you if I had enough money? I think not. Everybody has a
:23:45. > :23:46.
:23:46. > :23:56.price, I think! What is your price? I would never offer anyone any
:23:56. > :24:01.
:24:01. > :24:03.money. Stop saying stupid stuff on telly. Joining us now is the
:24:03. > :24:07.uncorruptable cofounder of TransparancyIntenational,
:24:07. > :24:13.LaurenceCockcroft. He's an expert on every bribe that has been made since
:24:13. > :24:17.4,000 BC. Welcome. How do is mes sure corruption? -- mes sure
:24:17. > :24:22.corruption? Our definition of corruption is the misuse of entraSed
:24:22. > :24:25.power for personal gain. That includes Government procurement and
:24:26. > :24:35.includes the misuse of power by executives and Miss Use of aid
:24:35. > :24:38.funds. Is that information particularly in less-than democratic
:24:38. > :24:43.countries hard to get that information? Not these days because
:24:43. > :24:47.of a series of surveys that take place across the world by various
:24:47. > :24:54.organisations. You can monitor which countries are becoming less and
:24:54. > :24:57.more? You can. It changes in various ways. Does it affect how people
:24:58. > :25:01.doing business there and going there, does it do that? Most are
:25:01. > :25:05.really based on perceptions of outside investors and business
:25:05. > :25:10.people in ranking one country against another. It is country X
:25:10. > :25:14.more difficult to do business in than country Y? We'll go to a quiz.
:25:14. > :25:20.On the corruption perception index, you can help them, but not too much,
:25:20. > :25:24.name the five countries perceived to be the most corrupt in the world.
:25:25. > :25:32.Have a guess. I'll say Italy's perceived up there, because of
:25:32. > :25:41.things like the Mafia background. would say North Korea. Italy is
:25:41. > :25:51.wrong. Sudan.That's correct. You're good at this. We'll look at them
:25:51. > :26:03.
:26:03. > :26:08.countries in the world? I'll include the UK. You would be wrong. Go for
:26:08. > :26:18.Scandinavia. Sweden.We'll look on the screen. Not Norway,
:26:18. > :26:32.
:26:32. > :26:37.does the UK come on this list? 50. You were closer. You are a bit
:26:37. > :26:42.too glopley, but you are too optimistic. It's 17.We are 17th on
:26:42. > :26:52.the list there. Crash, bang. Over the last 200 years, who have been
:26:52. > :26:55.
:26:55. > :27:05.the most corrupt leaders - sorry, last 20 years? Iraq.Then you would
:27:05. > :27:09.
:27:09. > :27:16.be wrong. Indonesia. Peru and our good old Ferdinand Marcos. If you
:27:16. > :27:22.were approached by a PR firm what goes through your mind, alarm bells
:27:23. > :27:29.ringing and you run a mile when you realise it's an attack or you think
:27:29. > :27:38.hoR ray, a good Christmas this year. Where is the register? You'll have
:27:38. > :27:42.to check. What do we learn from this index? We learn that corruption is a
:27:42. > :27:45.spectrum and that you can't group some countries as good and some as
:27:45. > :27:49.bad. Corruption is an issue everywhere. It is always changing.
:27:49. > :27:54.Some countries are becoming a bit less corrupt. Others are becoming
:27:54. > :28:03.more and the forces that are driving that are varied, but one of them is
:28:03. > :28:09.party political funding. Where does America fit in? The US doesn't do
:28:09. > :28:16.well. It's shown to be more corrupt than the UK. Where is it? It's more
:28:16. > :28:20.than 17th? It's about 20th. The reason for that is as we all know,
:28:20. > :28:25.party political funding in the US is a huge scandal and the last -- out
:28:25. > :28:30.of the last five governors of Illinois, three have gone to jail.
:28:30. > :28:36.Great. Two that didn't, that's good Thank you very much. What was the
:28:36. > :28:41.answer to the competition? It was a tricky one this week. Any idea?
:28:41. > :28:51.Before the depression, maybe. wasn't that early. Margaret, press
:28:51. > :28:55.
:28:55. > :29:00.that button. Now?Yeah. John Kelly did not bump into a lamp post. It's