19/06/2013

:00:47. > :00:51.Politics. Just when you thought banker bashing was passe, the

:00:51. > :00:53.banking commission bashes the bankers all over again. Well, it

:00:54. > :00:56.says it doesn't, but it sort of looks like it. The parliamentary

:00:56. > :00:59.commission, which was set up by George Osborne, says banking bosses

:00:59. > :01:01.should face inprisonment if their decisions force more bail-outs. The

:01:01. > :01:11.commission also recommends reforming the bonus system, and says the

:01:11. > :01:12.

:01:12. > :01:15.culture's too masculine! Who would have thought that? ! Will bankers

:01:15. > :01:18.now go to more accommodating climes? Would you like to co-sponsor a bill

:01:18. > :01:20.that's going through the House of Commons? Now's your chance. It's

:01:20. > :01:23.about Europe, and we'll be explaining how a little later.

:01:23. > :01:33.Doctor and writer Ben Goldacre will be here explaining why the law

:01:33. > :01:34.

:01:34. > :01:38.governing drugs trials needs to be changed. Piles and piles of vitally

:01:38. > :01:42.important medical trial results are being casually withheld from

:01:42. > :01:51.doctors, researchers and patients. We have known about this for

:01:51. > :02:01.And we'll be asking, have you ever done anything truly embarrasing at

:02:01. > :02:10.

:02:10. > :02:13.is embarrassing enough. Yes, all that and more coming up in

:02:13. > :02:16.the next 90 minutes. And joining me for the duration we have, back by

:02:16. > :02:18.popular demand, two fashion icons. Conservative Party chairman, Grant

:02:18. > :02:21.Shapps, and from Labour, the Shadow health minister Liz Kendall. Yes,

:02:21. > :02:31.unlike Boris, who took to the catwalk yesterday to promote the

:02:31. > :02:34.

:02:34. > :02:38.London suit, these two fine chairman of England's regulator said

:02:38. > :02:44.that his association was not fit for purpose when it came to hospital

:02:44. > :02:48.inspections and it is still not up to standard. A new report suggests

:02:48. > :02:52.that CQC might have deliberately covered up knowledge of its own

:02:52. > :02:59.failings in 2010 following a series of deaths of newborn babies at

:02:59. > :03:07.Furness General Hospital in Cumbria. Andy Burnham, this happened under

:03:07. > :03:12.Labour? The period in question goes from 2008 to 2012 so, partly, but it

:03:12. > :03:18.also relates to this government's time in office. Hospital regulation

:03:18. > :03:24.was not good enough, we saw through the process in mid-stats. I have put

:03:24. > :03:30.in play measures to improve it. But both sides will all be families in

:03:30. > :03:35.question answerer is, and I will fully commit our site to getting

:03:35. > :03:42.them. The more time goes on, the more we find out horrific things are

:03:42. > :03:46.happening in our health service. health service is a complicated

:03:46. > :03:52.complicated business. Things are happening every day, and sadly

:03:52. > :03:56.sometimes things go wrong. should not be killing people.

:03:56. > :04:00.Goodness me, no. Sometimes the NHS is not good at facing up to

:04:00. > :04:05.failings. It likes to pull down the shutters and push people away. I

:04:05. > :04:10.think this is what happened to some of the families in Morecambe. It is

:04:10. > :04:17.not acceptable. What is unforgivable is that weather have been failings,

:04:17. > :04:20.any attempt to cover up those failings. -- where there have been

:04:21. > :04:26.failings. What will shock people will be the instruction to delete an

:04:26. > :04:30.internal report in March 2012, which raises a whole host of questions

:04:30. > :04:35.about this regulator and its relationship with the Department of

:04:35. > :04:43.health. If you have a statutory duty to look after the care of people,

:04:43. > :04:46.which I assume was the job of this commission, if not only do you not

:04:46. > :04:53.do that but you then destroy the fact that you had failed to do it,

:04:53. > :04:57.surely that is worthy of a criminal charge? These are the most serious

:04:57. > :05:03.matters. I agree with you. You have to look at the context in which they

:05:03. > :05:06.deleted report, the context of an ongoing public enquiry, the context

:05:06. > :05:10.of measures that I had put in place to ensure much more in-depth

:05:10. > :05:20.examination of hospitals. You may remember this, I was in the post

:05:20. > :05:22.when there was a problem at Basildon, and I asked the CQC to

:05:22. > :05:25.assure us about the safety of all hospitals, to flush out further

:05:25. > :05:34.problems. It is in the context of this government saying it puts a

:05:34. > :05:39.high creamy on transparency, it is even more shocking. Shouldn't there

:05:39. > :05:41.be criminal charges for those responsible for the cover-up? A

:05:41. > :05:47.president of the United States lost his job because of a cover-up,

:05:47. > :05:56.surely they should go to jail if found guilty? If there has been a

:05:56. > :06:00.criminal offence. It sounds to me like the worst kind of... Will the

:06:00. > :06:07.government pursue criminal charges? The authorities have to do that, but

:06:07. > :06:10.we put in place the steps to expose it. Andy is right, transparency is

:06:10. > :06:14.the way to deal with this. People need to know what is going on in the

:06:14. > :06:19.health service. It is a word that all you politicians bandy about,

:06:19. > :06:25.people do not know what it means because it is likes is still above

:06:25. > :06:29.-- sustainable, it is a Westminster village buzzword. Over 1000 people

:06:29. > :06:32.died in Mid-Staffs, and in this Cumbrian hospital, people at their

:06:32. > :06:40.most vulnerable, pregnant women and babies, died because of this. I

:06:40. > :06:48.think we are -- I think we are looking for more than transparency.

:06:48. > :06:50.I agree with you, sustainability is really confusing, what do people

:06:50. > :06:54.mean whether something is sustainable or not? Transparency is

:06:54. > :06:58.very simple. You can see what is going on. The reason why things are

:06:58. > :07:02.coming out now, we are finding out about what happened with the CQC

:07:02. > :07:10.cover-up, and the reason that Mid-Staffs came up is through

:07:10. > :07:14.transparency. We said, there must be a full and thorough investigation.

:07:14. > :07:19.Over what happened, for example, at Mid-Staffs. We commissioned a report

:07:19. > :07:24.to make it entirely transparent. Transparency has a real meaning, I

:07:24. > :07:31.am pleased that Andy and I agree that it is the way forward.

:07:31. > :07:35.Mid-Staffs was, in part, the result of pursuing a policy focusing on one

:07:35. > :07:41.specific thing, targets beyond care. It is important that care is always

:07:41. > :07:46.number one. If you can be faced with criminal charges for fiddling your

:07:46. > :07:50.expenses, as some MPs and Lords have, surely you should face

:07:50. > :07:59.criminal charges for not only failing to protect the most

:07:59. > :08:02.vulnerable people in society but then covering up the fact? Cover-ups

:08:02. > :08:06.are the most serious aspect. Robert Francis would say that. It is

:08:06. > :08:11.wanting to make a mistake, people are human and mistakes made, but it

:08:11. > :08:18.is different when you say, I am going to cover up those failings.

:08:18. > :08:19.Transparency is a process. I think it began with the Freedom of

:08:19. > :08:26.Information Act. Lots of the institutions of this country have,

:08:26. > :08:32.through time, been beginning to feel the full force. That is a good

:08:32. > :08:36.thing. The Freedom of Information Act is doing its job. Dare I say it,

:08:36. > :08:42.the BBC has felt some of that with historic issues around the abuse of

:08:42. > :08:46.young people. All organisations have to go through this process. The NHS

:08:46. > :08:50.is different. I have to say, this was deleted in the month that the

:08:50. > :08:54.government was withholding the National risk register into the NHS.

:08:54. > :08:59.I think the government needs to stand by what it says on

:08:59. > :09:03.transparency. You are opening a new can of worms, but there needs to be

:09:03. > :09:08.policy development where you can develop policies. Transparency is

:09:08. > :09:10.meaningful. I have a feeling this will, but PMQ 's.

:09:10. > :09:14.Now, to something slightly different.

:09:14. > :09:24.Now, do you want to be my EU facebook app friend? Confused? Don't

:09:24. > :09:31.

:09:31. > :09:38.Once to get more involved in the legislative process with your PC,

:09:38. > :09:44.smartphone or pub -- tablet? Now you can, if thanks to the tech friendly

:09:44. > :09:48.Conservatives. This is James Wharton MP, who is introducing legislation

:09:48. > :09:54.to pave the way for a referendum on our membership of the EU in 2014. He

:09:54. > :09:58.is doing it himself in the form of a private member's bill, because the

:09:58. > :10:03.Lib Dems will not let the government do it. It is being discussed in

:10:03. > :10:09.Parliament on the 5th of July. The Tory party is running an online

:10:09. > :10:13.campaign to support it, called Let Britain Decide. They have launched

:10:13. > :10:18.an app on Facebook where you can co-sponsor the bill. You type in

:10:18. > :10:24.your name and e-mail address, your postcode, then the Conservative

:10:24. > :10:28.Party and all your friends will know that you are in favour. Some say

:10:28. > :10:31.this has no impact on the legislative process, because the

:10:31. > :10:36.idea of the public co-sponsoring a bill is meaningless in parliamentary

:10:36. > :10:41.terms. But the Tories say they will probably publish a list of people

:10:41. > :10:51.who have signed up to show the depth of feeling. And it allows us to

:10:51. > :10:51.

:10:51. > :10:57.deploy lots of puns, such as they are apping the anti-, and the Lib

:10:57. > :11:07.Dems will be app-alled. Adam Flemming there, and the UKIP

:11:07. > :11:13.

:11:13. > :11:16.MEP Gerard Batten is here. increase pressure on Labour and Lib

:11:16. > :11:22.Dem MPs who, for whatever reason, don't want to give the British

:11:22. > :11:26.people a say, and in-out referendum on Europe. They have got the

:11:26. > :11:30.opportunity to show they are on the side of the British people.

:11:30. > :11:35.Visibility to put your name to the bill means that they will be able to

:11:35. > :11:39.put pressure on their labour MP or the Dem MP to turn up at the

:11:39. > :11:44.comments and support the legislation. That way, we will get a

:11:44. > :11:48.referendum by the end of 2017, then we can decide on our relationship

:11:48. > :11:56.with Europe. We have looked on the Facebook page, are these the sorts

:11:56. > :12:00.of people and pressure you want on the opposition? Jules says that 2017

:12:00. > :12:06.is far too long, also you will not win the next election. Matthew says

:12:06. > :12:09.it is a cowardly idea to call a referendum, since many of the

:12:09. > :12:14.population do not have an understanding on the occasions.

:12:14. > :12:21.Julian says, the idea that we can negotiate anything is a fantasy.

:12:21. > :12:26.Good luck trying. Meanwhile, I shall be voting UKIP. Lou then you will

:12:27. > :12:31.get Labour, and not a referendum. The sensible thing is to vote for

:12:31. > :12:37.the pub -- party offering a referendum. It is controversial, I

:12:37. > :12:42.don't hide that. But to anyone who says you can't renegotiate anything

:12:42. > :12:46.with Europe, that is not true. We vetoed a treaty under David

:12:46. > :12:50.Cameron, we pulled out of an EU mechanism which would help fund

:12:50. > :12:59.other countries in the UU -- in the euro. We have reduced the budget on

:12:59. > :13:09.Europe. The re-negation comes over a period of time. App-alled the

:13:09. > :13:11.

:13:11. > :13:14.renegotiation. We have two -- we have to win the next election.

:13:14. > :13:22.will put pressure on Labour and make it look like you are on the wrong

:13:22. > :13:27.side? It is a political stunt, a Westminster game. That is what this

:13:27. > :13:31.is all about. Surely, national interest should come first? I am a

:13:31. > :13:37.humble Northerner but I have a few friends in Europe, not as many as

:13:37. > :13:43.Peter Mandelson, but a view. They don't interpret this as Let Britain

:13:43. > :13:46.Decide, they interpreted as, the Tory party wants out of Europe. At

:13:46. > :13:52.the time when growth and jobs are the main and important thing, how

:13:52. > :13:58.can it make sense to send a signal to our European partners that we

:13:58. > :14:04.want to get out? It is economic suicide. The national interest must

:14:04. > :14:12.come first. That is why they have got this wrong. But some Labour MPs

:14:12. > :14:16.support this. I spoke to one last night, she will vote on the 5th of

:14:16. > :14:21.July, she is not the only one. We are inviting them to co-sponsor the

:14:21. > :14:28.bill. Are they playing tricks, or do they actually believe, like most

:14:28. > :14:31.British people, that it is time to have a say on Europe? If the powers

:14:31. > :14:37.are renegotiated, a time will come when we have to have a say, but I

:14:37. > :14:41.don't think British business wants to see this kind of politicking. In

:14:41. > :14:45.my constituents is jobs and investment. I'd want a message being

:14:45. > :14:50.sent out from this country that we are pulling up the drawbridge,

:14:50. > :14:53.getting out, not interested in our main market any more. That is the

:14:53. > :14:59.wrong signal to send, you are putting politics above the national

:14:59. > :15:02.interest. It is a desperate PR stunt on the part of the government,

:15:02. > :15:08.Labour don't know how to react, because they do not want a

:15:08. > :15:12.referendum. If David Cameron was genuine about having a referendum,

:15:12. > :15:17.he could have said... It wasn't in the Queen's Speech, there was an

:15:17. > :15:21.amendment which was defeated. If he was genuine he could say, I will

:15:21. > :15:28.introduce a government bill for a referendum on the EU. If I can't get

:15:28. > :15:32.it through Parliament, I tried and I failed. You give me a big majority

:15:32. > :15:37.in 2015 and I will do it. He won't do that, he is not genuine about

:15:37. > :15:40.having a referendum. Still less about giving the British people a

:15:40. > :15:44.genuine... He doesn't need a majority, he has the coalition

:15:44. > :15:53.government, and if the Lib Dems stopped him even introducing a bill,

:15:53. > :15:56.look a much stronger he would seem. In a coalition government, to

:15:56. > :16:02.introduce a bill to parliament, you have to have the agreement of both

:16:02. > :16:06.sides. If the Lib Dems did not give that agreement, he would be in a

:16:06. > :16:12.much stronger position, but he is not prepared to do that, because he

:16:13. > :16:19.is not genuine. This was not in the manifesto, and it is great to be

:16:19. > :16:23.able to help the Lib Dems. He is dancing to the UKIP June, it is a

:16:23. > :16:29.product of a weak Prime Minister, that he has two go with his

:16:29. > :16:33.backbenchers. It is sad that the coalition has descended to this.

:16:33. > :16:39.do not want to let the public have their say. At the right time.

:16:39. > :16:43.there is a powers, as I said. When there is a change, we then say to

:16:43. > :16:47.the British people, at that appropriate moment, not in the midst

:16:47. > :16:51.of an economic crisis, when there is no growth, when we want to build our

:16:51. > :16:57.business with Europe, why send the message to them all that we want

:16:57. > :17:03.out? Unbelievable! It is a mechanism which would have cost billions of

:17:03. > :17:08.pounds, in the last, dying days of your government... Supporting the

:17:08. > :17:13.Eurozone countries... We made sure that that was abolished. We can

:17:13. > :17:16.renegotiate that and we can certainly renegotiate powers.

:17:17. > :17:21.powers can be renegotiated, it is all dishonest. The question is, do

:17:21. > :17:31.we want to be part of this United States of Europe or not? None of the

:17:31. > :17:32.

:17:32. > :17:35.parties want to give the people that question. If Andrew Tyrie gets his

:17:35. > :17:42.way, then those guilty of so-called reckless misconduct in future, in

:17:42. > :17:46.the banking, could spend some time at Her Majesty is pleasure. Here is

:17:46. > :17:50.JoCo to explain. The Parliamentary Commission on Banking Standards was

:17:50. > :17:54.set up George Osborne last year in the wake of a number of scandals in

:17:54. > :17:58.the industry. Its chair, Andrew Tyrie, once again seems to be in the

:17:58. > :18:04.mood for a spot of some banker bashing, even though he says he is

:18:04. > :18:06.not. The 571 page report has a number of suggestions, including the

:18:06. > :18:11.idea of sending senior bankers guilty of reckless misconduct to

:18:11. > :18:15.jail. Mr Tyrie and his chums on the commission also recommend that

:18:15. > :18:19.bonuses for bankers should be deferred for up to ten years. It

:18:19. > :18:24.will not be popular with bankers, the idea is to get away from the

:18:24. > :18:28.short-term thinking blamed by many for the crash in 2008. The MPs and

:18:28. > :18:33.peers, including none other than the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin

:18:33. > :18:37.Welby, also call on George Osborne to consider breaking up a Royal Bank

:18:37. > :18:41.of Scotland before putting it back into private hands. The report also

:18:41. > :18:45.recommends employing more women on the trading floor, on the grounds

:18:45. > :18:47.that it could reduce risk. Finally, there are proposals to increase

:18:47. > :18:57.competition amongst high-street banks, by making bank account

:18:57. > :19:01.

:19:01. > :19:08.numbers portable in the same way as mobile phone numbers. Labour's

:19:08. > :19:13.former City Minister John Joins Us Now, Dressed In His G8 Gear. If This

:19:13. > :19:17.Report Had Been Implemented in 2008, how many bankers would have gone to

:19:18. > :19:23.jail? Very difficult to tell. The commission has done a very good job,

:19:23. > :19:25.it is a very scholarly piece of work, led by Andrew Tyrie. But

:19:25. > :19:31.implementation is going to be challenging, particularly the

:19:32. > :19:38.assumptions about the obligations regarding the law and direct does,

:19:38. > :19:42.and, to get a convertible definition of a failure of management I think

:19:42. > :19:45.is going to be quite a challenge. There are many other things in the

:19:45. > :19:54.report which can be lamented, and hopefully the Government will do so

:19:54. > :19:57.fairly rapidly this idea of reckless misconduct, which could carry

:19:57. > :20:02.criminal charges if found guilty, I can see lawyers getting stuck into

:20:02. > :20:09.that definition. It could make people wary of becoming bankers in

:20:09. > :20:16.the first place. When Fred Goodwin, as head of RBS, was borrowing a shed

:20:16. > :20:22.load of money to buy ABM Umbro, was that reckless misconduct? That will

:20:22. > :20:26.be a matter for the board and owners of the business to decide. Remember,

:20:26. > :20:31.the institutional investors, who get off scot-free in Mr Tyrie's report,

:20:31. > :20:38.which I think is a major in his thinking, they have not behaved like

:20:38. > :20:40.owners. They supported that particular acquisition. Indeed, some

:20:40. > :20:45.of the criticisms levelled by Mr Tyrie at the Government,

:20:45. > :20:48.interference in the management of RBS, giving the power to the

:20:48. > :20:53.regulators to control leverage, not pushing hard enough on capping

:20:53. > :21:00.bonuses, these are big, critical comments about the Government from

:21:00. > :21:04.Mr Tyrie. Also, I think they could be focused on the shareholders - why

:21:04. > :21:09.are you not pressing for safer, more responsible banks? But when you look

:21:09. > :21:14.at some of what we now think, maybe not in their criminal sense, but in

:21:14. > :21:19.a subjective sense, was reckless misconduct by bankers, we find that

:21:19. > :21:29.in this reckless misconduct, they were being egged on by politicians.

:21:29. > :21:32.

:21:32. > :21:35.I think they may well have been they were, we know that. What we do know

:21:35. > :21:40.is that there was a very permissive environment, indeed, John Redwood

:21:40. > :21:44.saying that in 2004, banking regulation was far too tight, we

:21:44. > :21:49.needed to relax it, and there was a general consensus that a light touch

:21:49. > :21:55.was right. In hindsight, that was badly wrong, and Mr Tyrie quite

:21:55. > :22:02.rightly says, we need tougher, more nose to the ground regulation, we

:22:02. > :22:05.need stronger boards of direct has, and we need more powerful sanctions

:22:05. > :22:10.against miscreants, and we need to be able to put up a finger against

:22:10. > :22:13.the culprits. There is not a single person in this country serving a

:22:13. > :22:23.jail sentence as a result of the banking crisis. There are people in

:22:23. > :22:27.

:22:27. > :22:30.Europe and America. Under Labour, the fact is that there was a pact

:22:30. > :22:33.between Gordon Brown and the bankers, which allowed the bankers

:22:33. > :22:37.to get a shed load of money for themselves, and he got his cut in

:22:37. > :22:42.the form of taxes for his public spending, and the regulation was

:22:42. > :22:46.therefore kept very light touch. That's why we have ended up in this

:22:46. > :22:51.situation - it suited Mr Brown at the time, it suited the bankers, it

:22:51. > :22:55.has all come back and bit us very hard. I do not accept that at all,

:22:55. > :23:01.that there was a pact. We want a strong city of London, that is

:23:01. > :23:06.clearly in the national interest, but Gordon Brown was under pressure

:23:06. > :23:10.to relax it further, and he didn't. It is not possible to say that it

:23:10. > :23:13.was whatever they wanted. Everybody has had to reassess after what

:23:13. > :23:19.happened in the latter part of the last decade. The keyword is

:23:19. > :23:25.accountability. We spoke about it in the NHS. I think the same applies

:23:25. > :23:28.here - is there a accountability for people 's actions Kas when I came

:23:28. > :23:31.out of university and I have some friends who went to the city, there

:23:31. > :23:37.was the culture that this was not the real world, numbers could move

:23:37. > :23:40.on a screen, that is how they worked, it was a culture of excess.

:23:40. > :23:44.I think the recommendation from the committee is a good one, because it

:23:45. > :23:49.will bring accountability. It is an all-party committee, which is a

:23:49. > :23:56.strength. I would say, let's have the Government now saying, let's put

:23:56. > :24:00.this into the financial services bill. You said the city of London

:24:00. > :24:02.was very important to this nation, but if you are going to have laws of

:24:02. > :24:07.reckless misconduct, which is very vague, and tell bankers they will

:24:07. > :24:13.have to wait ten years for their bonuses, why would they not just

:24:13. > :24:19.leave and go to Wall Street? Maybe they will, but are you saying we

:24:19. > :24:25.want reckless behaviour Kas you have not been able to define reckless

:24:25. > :24:28.misconduct. It has to be defined carefully, we have had senior

:24:28. > :24:35.parliamentarians looking at this. They have all agreed that

:24:35. > :24:40.recklessness is not acceptable. The question is, how does it then result

:24:40. > :24:45.in chronological judges? In recent years, it has been revealed that

:24:45. > :24:49.British banks have been money-laundering the money of the

:24:49. > :24:53.drug cartels in Mexico, helping to finance the breaking of sanctions

:24:53. > :24:59.against Iran and fiddling the LIBOR rate, one of the key global interest

:24:59. > :25:01.rates, and yet no one has gone to jail for things that I think anybody

:25:01. > :25:11.listening to this would think, isn't that illegal Kas is that not

:25:11. > :25:13.

:25:13. > :25:16.criminal charges? In fact, the chairman of HSBC, which was involved

:25:16. > :25:21.in the money-laundering, terrorist financing, on a scale which led to

:25:21. > :25:23.the loss of human life, let's not diminish this, this is not about

:25:24. > :25:29.fixing an interest rate, this led to probably hundreds of people losing

:25:29. > :25:35.their lives, the chairman of HSBC is a member of David Cameron's

:25:36. > :25:45.government, one of the advisers to George Osborne on banking reform.

:25:45. > :25:49.Just remind me who gave Fred Goodwin his knighthood? The Queen.I did not

:25:49. > :25:54.go Gordon Brown was the Queen. You get my point, you are all in it up

:25:54. > :25:58.to here. I know it is hard for you to tell me, but can you just give us

:25:59. > :26:01.an indication of when we get the Government's official response, will

:26:01. > :26:07.the Chancellor give us an indication tonight about what parts of this you

:26:07. > :26:15.are going to implement, and what parts you are not? The report is out

:26:15. > :26:20.today, and we have only had 24 hours notice. I have only asked you for

:26:20. > :26:26.the timescale. It will be pretty rapid. We have got a pretty good

:26:26. > :26:35.bill going through the house. there could be changes to that?

:26:35. > :26:39.sounds encouraging, let's put this into place. Absolutely, we like a

:26:39. > :26:42.lot on that note, we will move on. Lord Myners, thank you for coming

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:29:16. > :29:24.Coming up to midday, let's take a look at big then. It is a great,

:29:24. > :29:30.muddy, sticky day in London. Nick Robinson is already here. Briefly,

:29:30. > :29:34.Nigel Robinson, the Deputy Speaker - sorry, Nigel Evans, the deputy

:29:34. > :29:39.speaker of the House of Commons, now arrested on three other charges...

:29:39. > :29:44.Yes, people will remember there was real shock in politics, Nigel Evans

:29:44. > :29:48.is a popular character on all sides of the House of Commons. He was

:29:48. > :29:51.arrested in May on suspicion of rape and sexual assault, and he has

:29:51. > :29:55.reported for bail today in Lancashire, and the Lancashire

:29:55. > :29:58.Constabulary have subsequently said that he has been arrested on three

:29:58. > :30:04.further offences of indecent assault. It is the sort of thing

:30:04. > :30:10.that will go round Westminster, and bringing real surprise, shock and

:30:10. > :30:16.sadness. What has GCHQ told you Mr Miller band will go on today?

:30:16. > :30:19.only! That would save me being a journalist! I do not think it takes

:30:19. > :30:23.a genius to work out that the subject you have just been talking

:30:24. > :30:28.about, banking, is an obvious territory. I think the tone will be

:30:28. > :30:38.interesting - does he invite him to agree, or does he challenge Kas

:30:38. > :31:02.

:31:02. > :31:08.Livingston, for the past few years, the chief executive of BT, will take

:31:08. > :31:14.on this vital role. I believe he will bring huge talent to a vital

:31:14. > :31:17.national effort. There are many pupils an excellent

:31:17. > :31:27.schools benefiting from outstanding teaching and inspirational teachers,

:31:27. > :31:27.

:31:27. > :31:32.not all of whom have been to teacher training college, necessarily.

:31:32. > :31:38.Thereon many teachers in our schools who have not been through the formal

:31:38. > :31:43.process. Some teachers have been banned from such schools. As I have

:31:43. > :31:48.been busy, -- although I have been busy, I have looked carefully at

:31:48. > :31:52.this policy, and I know there people who teach, including those on the

:31:52. > :31:56.benches of the party opposite, the honourable member for Stoke-on-Trent

:31:56. > :32:03.Central, a renowned historian, teachers in his local compounds of

:32:03. > :32:08.schools. He will be banned. There is the former member for South who will

:32:08. > :32:18.that who also enjoys doing that. I think this policy is another example

:32:18. > :32:21.

:32:21. > :32:26.of brotherly love. Following the Parliamentary commission on, can he

:32:26. > :32:31.confirmed that he supports its recommendations on bonuses and

:32:32. > :32:36.criminal penalties and that he would use the banking bill to do this?

:32:36. > :32:39.support both of those. We need to take the time to read this excellent

:32:39. > :32:48.report, and I commend the member for gesture Dutchman Richard Chester for

:32:48. > :32:58.the excellent job he has done. Making sure that banks who are in

:32:58. > :32:59.

:32:59. > :33:03.receipt of taxpayers money, that we can claw back bonuses, I say yes.

:33:03. > :33:07.am glad he supports the proposal on criminal penalties, but will he

:33:07. > :33:10.confirm the important issue that the government will put down the

:33:10. > :33:17.amendment to the banking Bill currently going through Parliament,

:33:17. > :33:21.to make sure it gets on the statute book as soon as the? We will be

:33:21. > :33:26.using that Bill to take these important steps. It is important

:33:26. > :33:31.that we have that opportunity. There should be a Parliamentary enquiry

:33:31. > :33:34.done rapidly, rather than a public enquiry that he supported. If we had

:33:34. > :33:43.done that, we would just about be getting going with the inquiry.

:33:43. > :33:46.Instead, we had a good enquiry and we had strong legislation, too.

:33:46. > :33:50.If the government doesn't put down the amendments on criminal

:33:50. > :33:56.penalties, we will, in the Banking Bill, and we will make sure that

:33:56. > :33:59.they happen. The Prime Minister praises the Parliamentary commission

:33:59. > :34:05.on, but let's turn to one of its recommendations from last year 's

:34:05. > :34:08.report. It said that it should legislate for a general power to

:34:08. > :34:13.break up the banks, breaking up high risk casino banking from high street

:34:13. > :34:17.banks. The commission think it is right, but the government is so far

:34:17. > :34:26.refusing to implement... The part-time Chancellor is trying to

:34:26. > :34:30.advise the Prime Minister. We think it is right, the commission think it

:34:30. > :34:37.is right, but the government has so far refused to implement that

:34:37. > :34:40.recommendation. Why isn't the government doing it? I would rather

:34:40. > :34:47.listen to my Chancellor than listen to his neighbour, the Shadow

:34:47. > :34:53.Chancellor. We remember his advice. 125% mortgages from Northern Rock,

:34:53. > :34:58.that is fine. A knighthood for Fred Goodwin, that is fine. The biggest

:34:58. > :35:02.banking bust in British history, that is fine. He was the City

:35:02. > :35:07.Minister when all of this went wrong. This government is clearing

:35:07. > :35:12.up the mess. We wouldn't have these results without this excellent

:35:12. > :35:15.enquiry commissioned by this government, we would not be able to

:35:15. > :35:18.legislate without the excellent Banking Bill provided by this

:35:18. > :35:22.government. In terms of his question, we are putting a ring

:35:22. > :35:25.fence around retail banks, something that in 13 years of a retail

:35:25. > :35:29.government, although they were both in the Treasury, they never got

:35:29. > :35:39.round to it. We are not going to take lectures

:35:39. > :35:41.

:35:41. > :35:45.from the guy who was the advisor on Black Wednesday in 1992. And he had

:35:45. > :35:55.no answer to the question about retail and investment banking. Maybe

:35:55. > :35:55.

:35:55. > :36:02.he can do better on this issue. On the issue of bonuses and the banks,

:36:02. > :36:08.Mr Speaker, last week's ONS figures showed that bonuses in business and

:36:08. > :36:13.financial services this April was 64% higher than a year ago. Why does

:36:13. > :36:18.the Prime Minister think that is? Bank bonuses are about a fifth of

:36:18. > :36:22.what they were when he was sitting in the Treasury. They have been

:36:22. > :36:26.going down, not up. If he wants to discuss this issue of banking,

:36:26. > :36:30.perhaps he would reflect on the fact that the other City Minister that

:36:30. > :36:34.Labour had in their time of office, Lord Myners, said this today dashed

:36:34. > :36:38.the government of which I was a member certainly has to take some

:36:38. > :36:44.culpability for the fact that the regulatory oversight of the banks

:36:44. > :36:47.was not as effective as it should be. He says, to do otherwise would

:36:47. > :36:51.be to pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate. Perhaps the next

:36:51. > :37:00.time he gets to that despatch box, he will apologise for the mess they

:37:00. > :37:06.made? Here's asking questions and preparing for opposition. Let's talk

:37:06. > :37:12.about what people were saying in 2008. We all remember the speeches,

:37:12. > :37:17.don't we, Mr Speaker? A Conservative economic strategy. David Cameron, I

:37:17. > :37:22.quote, as a free marketeer by conviction, it will not surprise you

:37:22. > :37:28.to hear me say that a significant part of the problems of the last

:37:28. > :37:38.decade has been too much regulation. There you have it, Mr

:37:38. > :37:44.Speaker. He was wanting less regulation of the cap back row city.

:37:44. > :37:52.-- less regulation of the City. Bonuses are up 64% in the City in

:37:52. > :37:57.April. That is because he has cut the top rate of income tax from 50p

:37:57. > :38:04.to 45p. People took their bonuses in April and got a massive tax cut as a

:38:04. > :38:07.result. When the Prime Minister gets up to respond, will he confirm that

:38:07. > :38:17.64% figure and that people are getting a massive tax cut as a

:38:17. > :38:19.

:38:19. > :38:23.result of his decision? In 2012/13, City bonuses will be 85% lower than

:38:23. > :38:28.in 2007 and eight, when those two were advising or working in the last

:38:28. > :38:33.government, with the responsibility for regulating the City. It doesn't

:38:33. > :38:37.matter what he says, he cannot get over the fact that they presided

:38:37. > :38:43.over the boom and bust, the collapse of the banks and the failure to

:38:43. > :38:48.regulate. We remember what they said in 2008 - no more boom and bust.

:38:48. > :38:54.They said a golden age for the City. They cannot hide their dreadful

:38:55. > :38:58.record and they ought to start with an apology. The whole House will

:38:58. > :39:04.have noticed, he cannot deny the figures I've doubt. He doesn't even

:39:04. > :39:11.know the facts. Bonuses are up, so that people can take advantage of

:39:11. > :39:14.his massive tax cut. For all his tough talk, the reality is that he

:39:14. > :39:20.is dragging his feet on banking reform. Business lending is still

:39:20. > :39:25.falling, bonuses are rising and ordinary families are suffering. He

:39:25. > :39:33.is giving a massive tax cut to the bankers. Just another display of

:39:33. > :39:35.extraordinary weakness. They had 13 years to sort out this problem, they

:39:36. > :39:41.did absolutely nothing. It is this government that has introduced the

:39:41. > :39:44.banking Bill, that has introduced the ring fence, that has put the

:39:44. > :39:49.Bank of England in charge of regulating credit in our economy.

:39:49. > :39:59.Instead, what we ought to be getting from him is an apology and a thank

:39:59. > :40:15.

:40:15. > :40:22.I commend him for being the first Prime Minister ever to commit to a

:40:22. > :40:23.referendum on Europe, and to leading a government which has tackled

:40:24. > :40:29.welfare dependency, reduced immigration and brought in

:40:29. > :40:35.academies, therefore showing that one can be conservative, popular and

:40:35. > :40:40.write all the same time. Can I thank my honourable friend for his

:40:40. > :40:43.question? And on behalf of everyone in the house, can I congratulate him

:40:43. > :40:50.on his richly deserved night Woodcrest -- richly deserve

:40:50. > :40:53.knighthood? He served in this house for many decades and served in the

:40:54. > :40:58.vital role of overseeing the Public Accounts Committee, which does such

:40:58. > :41:02.important work. I am grateful for what he says about the referendum

:41:02. > :41:07.and would urge all colleagues to come to the House on July the 5th

:41:07. > :41:12.and vote for this bill. Is the Prime Minister proud of the

:41:12. > :41:19.fact that, on his watch, 300,000 more children have been pushed into

:41:19. > :41:23.absolute poverty? I am proud that we have protected the poorest in our

:41:23. > :41:27.country by increasing child tax credit. The most important thing we

:41:27. > :41:32.can do to tackle poverty is to get more people into work. There are now

:41:32. > :41:36.more people in work in our country than at any time in our history, and

:41:36. > :41:40.in his own area in the West Midlands, the number of people

:41:40. > :41:45.employed is up 66,000 since the election. It is worth remembering

:41:45. > :41:51.the last government's record, because even during the boom years,

:41:51. > :41:56.private sector employment in the West Midlands went down.

:41:56. > :42:00.I am sure he will want to join every member of the house in wishing all

:42:00. > :42:08.British players the best of luck for Wimbledon, which starts on Monday.

:42:08. > :42:12.Does he back the LTA's Schools Tennis Programme, which is in some

:42:12. > :42:19.schools in my constituency, to help find as a future home-grown and home

:42:19. > :42:23.trained champion? He is absolutely right to raise this. Let's

:42:23. > :42:28.congratulate Andy Murray for his excellent victory at the weekend at

:42:28. > :42:33.Queen 's club, and wish him and other British players well for the

:42:33. > :42:37.tenements. We should commend the LTA for trying to make tennis much more

:42:37. > :42:42.of a mass participation club. I see it in the primary school my children

:42:42. > :42:46.go to, where more tennis is being taught and played. It has a long way

:42:46. > :42:50.to go, and the lawn tennis Association has two satisfy sport

:42:51. > :42:58.England and all of the other funding bodies that they are making it a

:42:58. > :43:00.mass participation sport. When, according to the Sunday Times, just

:43:00. > :43:06.1000 of our richest citizens have increased their wealth since the

:43:06. > :43:14.financial crash by �119 billion, while everyone else, on average, has

:43:14. > :43:17.been forced to take a real terms cut in income, isn't his policy of

:43:17. > :43:25.enriching the perpetrators and punishing the victims are very

:43:25. > :43:29.opposite of a one nation Britain? The richest in our country will pay

:43:29. > :43:32.a higher percentage of income tax under this government to ban the

:43:32. > :43:37.last. He sat in that government with the opportunity to do something

:43:37. > :43:41.about it, but all the time he was a minister, the top tax rate was lower

:43:41. > :43:47.than it will be under this government.

:43:47. > :43:51.Does he agree with me that if a community is obliged to take a

:43:51. > :43:56.strategic piece of infrastructure, that there should be agreements for

:43:56. > :44:01.payment and compensation for any blight caused by a nationally

:44:01. > :44:09.important piece of infrastructure like a rail freight interchange?

:44:09. > :44:15.That is why section 106 agreement exist. We need to keep this area

:44:15. > :44:20.under observation about how we will handle fracking and shale gas. I

:44:21. > :44:24.think we will need a simpler mechanism to show that company -- to

:44:24. > :44:28.ensure that communities feel the benefit.

:44:28. > :44:34.On Monday the Milburn report showed that the proportion of students from

:44:34. > :44:38.state schools at the elite Russell Group universities is less than a

:44:38. > :44:42.decade ago. Another report is secretly considering lifting

:44:42. > :44:47.interest rates on previous graduate loans. After �9,000 tuition fees,

:44:47. > :44:52.does he think that another reach of faith like this is more likely to

:44:52. > :44:57.encourage students from work -- less wealthy backgrounds to apply to

:44:57. > :45:00.university, or to discourage them? The number of children from

:45:00. > :45:06.disadvantaged backgrounds going to university is higher than ever, that

:45:06. > :45:10.is a good step forward. If we wanted their children from disadvantaged

:45:10. > :45:14.backgrounds into universities, we should be supporting the academies

:45:14. > :45:18.programme and free schools. We saw in Labour putts-macro announcement

:45:18. > :45:23.that they now support free schools. But then they went on to say that

:45:23. > :45:29.they would not allow any more of them. And, quite extraordinary, they

:45:29. > :45:32.said this - what we will have is a new academies programme, like parent

:45:32. > :45:37.led academies, teacher led academies, such as a particular

:45:37. > :45:41.school in east London. They want more schools like that. The Shadow

:45:41. > :45:51.Education Secretary is nodding. But that school is a free school. What a

:45:51. > :45:52.

:45:52. > :45:59.complete shambles. Can I ask the Prime Minister what discussions he

:45:59. > :46:03.has held with colleagues in Devra regarding the Environment Agency

:46:03. > :46:07.recognising the value of land, and the need to protect farmland in my

:46:07. > :46:12.constituency from flooding? I do have conversations about this issue

:46:12. > :46:15.with the Secretary of State for farming and food and rural affairs.

:46:15. > :46:23.As I announced in the House last week, he will soon be bringing

:46:23. > :46:27.forward the proposal to make sure that the insurance scheme regarding

:46:27. > :46:32.the danger of flooding is renewed. We also need to protect farmland,

:46:32. > :46:42.not least because with global population is rising, the demand for

:46:42. > :46:51.

:46:51. > :46:54.food production will have to increase. In my constituency, one in

:46:54. > :46:57.three is living in poverty, compared to one in ten in his constituency -

:46:57. > :47:03.what is he going to do about it? I have to say to the honourable

:47:03. > :47:06.gentleman, the problem with the last government's legacy is, because you

:47:06. > :47:15.left a massive debt burden and a massive deficit, this government had

:47:15. > :47:19.to take action to deal with it. As I said, the best way... We will

:47:19. > :47:25.concentrate on the policies of the Government, not... Order. Nothing

:47:25. > :47:30.further required. We will move on. Whatever the long-term benefits of

:47:30. > :47:35.High Speed Rail Bill the project is already causing serious worry for

:47:35. > :47:37.tens of thousands of homeowners along the route. Will my Right

:47:37. > :47:43.Honourable Friend give urgent attention and consideration to the

:47:43. > :47:52.possibility of introducing a property bond to remove that blight?

:47:52. > :47:59.I know My Honourable Friend is concerned about this issue, and I

:47:59. > :48:05.know that it is right that he stands up for his constituents, and other

:48:05. > :48:07.MPs have discussed this with me. First of all, I think we should

:48:07. > :48:09.remain committed to HS2, because it will connect our cities and

:48:09. > :48:10.communities and bring many benefits, particularly, I believe, to the

:48:10. > :48:12.north of England. But I think we should look at the compensation

:48:12. > :48:14.schemes available, and we are listening to the idea of the

:48:14. > :48:19.property bond. In his state meant following the appalling murder of a

:48:19. > :48:28.month ago, the Prime Minister announced the setting up of the

:48:28. > :48:32.Government the Prime Minister -- the Government's task force on extremism

:48:32. > :48:35.in our communities. In Woolwich, our diverse communities have been

:48:35. > :48:40.working hard to do just that. Can the Prime Minister House what

:48:40. > :48:45.progress has been made, and specifically what new ways he

:48:45. > :48:48.envisages emerging to support communities such as ours? First of

:48:48. > :48:51.all, can I commend the Right Honourable Gentleman for the action

:48:51. > :48:55.he has taken in his own community. When I visited Woolwich I saw how

:48:55. > :49:00.strongly that community has come together to decry what happened and

:49:00. > :49:04.to build a stronger future. The task force has met and the ideas have

:49:04. > :49:07.been commissioned. One particular idea we are looking at is something

:49:07. > :49:10.I heard while I was with him in Woolwich, which is, where

:49:10. > :49:15.communities want to come together and try to drive extremist groups

:49:15. > :49:20.out of particular mosques or Islamic centres, they often need help

:49:20. > :49:24.including help with legal advice to do that. So, that is one specific

:49:24. > :49:34.idea. But this task force should cover the whole waterfront from

:49:34. > :49:38.

:49:38. > :49:44.everything right across the community. Given the role of women

:49:45. > :49:47.in the developing world, especially in the realm of sanitation, health,

:49:47. > :49:51.business and all other matters affecting administration in other

:49:51. > :49:56.countries, will my Right Honourable Friend take a positive interest in

:49:56. > :50:04.my gender inequality bill, which is coming forward today, and will he

:50:04. > :50:11.note that he was already supported by the very wide range of people? I

:50:11. > :50:21.will study My Honourable Friend's bill closely. It is not the bill

:50:21. > :50:24.that everybody might expect... more about real cash's bill. It is

:50:24. > :50:28.not necessarily the bill which we would all expecting to produce, but

:50:28. > :50:32.I think it is an excellent idea, I'm co-chairing the high-level panel at

:50:32. > :50:35.the UN about the future of development, I wanted to make sure

:50:35. > :50:40.that gender equality was put right up there in the replacement for the

:50:40. > :50:46.millennium development goals, and it is there, and I think his bill might

:50:46. > :50:50.be able to provide some extra ideas to bring this to life. In 2010, the

:50:50. > :50:54.Prime Minister proudly stated, and I quote, we actually made sure that

:50:54. > :51:00.neither the budget nor the spending round would result in any increase

:51:00. > :51:02.in child poverty. But in his first full year as Prime Minister, the

:51:02. > :51:07.number of children in absolute poverty rose by 300000 and is still

:51:07. > :51:12.rising. Will he now admits that he was wrong and his policies are to

:51:12. > :51:18.blame? We did make a specific decision in the spending round to

:51:18. > :51:22.increase child tax credit for the poorest families in our country. But

:51:22. > :51:26.we had an inheritance from the past garment of such appalling levels of

:51:26. > :51:29.debt that it has been painful to deal with. But let me repeat the

:51:30. > :51:33.best way to get people out of poverty is to see employment grow,

:51:33. > :51:39.and in the north-west, the part of the country she represents,

:51:39. > :51:42.employment has risen by 6000 this quarter. It has 50,000 since the

:51:42. > :51:47.election, and unemployment is now 20,000 since the election. Those are

:51:47. > :51:53.all life chances, jobs and chances to get on, that people did not have

:51:53. > :52:00.under the last Labour government. Could I welcome my Right Honourable

:52:00. > :52:04.Friend's leadership of the G8 in helping to prevent the horrors of

:52:04. > :52:12.Syria turning into a regional humanitarian catastrophe? And could

:52:12. > :52:14.I urge him to pursue further the support for Lebanon and Jordan, two

:52:14. > :52:17.very fragile neighbouring states, and especially urge him to go

:52:17. > :52:24.further with the support we are providing for the leather knee 's

:52:24. > :52:33.army, which is the only organisation in the area which could be a

:52:33. > :52:36.potentially stabilising force. -- Lebanese army. Could I thank him for

:52:36. > :52:42.that. We did make some progress on Syria, the tequila Lee in terms of

:52:42. > :52:47.humanitarian aid, where $1.5 billion extra was pledged for what is now

:52:47. > :52:51.becoming one of the worst Unitarian crises we have seen in recent years.

:52:51. > :53:01.He is absolutely right, we need to support the neighbouring states, and

:53:01. > :53:02.

:53:02. > :53:06.we should support the Lebanese army. In response to My Honourable

:53:06. > :53:10.Friend, on several occasions, the Prime Minister has said that the

:53:10. > :53:15.best way of tackling poverty is to get people into work. But would he

:53:15. > :53:19.explain this - why is it that two thirds of the children in poverty

:53:19. > :53:26.today come from families where there is at least one adult in work, and

:53:26. > :53:31.why is that figure rising? The point I would make to the Jan Short is

:53:31. > :53:33.that work is the best answer for taking people out of poverty. -- to

:53:34. > :53:39.the Honourable Gentleman. Yes, of course we should continue paying

:53:39. > :53:42.child benefit, which we do, and tax credits. Indeed, one decision we

:53:42. > :53:47.made when we came into office was to stop the nonsense of tax credits

:53:47. > :53:50.going to people, including members of this House of Commons, earning

:53:50. > :53:55.�50,000 or more a year. We are focusing their help on the people

:53:55. > :54:05.who need it most. Yes, in the West Midlands, we have seen an extra

:54:05. > :54:08.66,000 people in work. A few weeks ago, nine paediatricians wrote to me

:54:08. > :54:11.in the code quality commission expressing serious safety concerns

:54:11. > :54:16.regarding maternity services getting downgraded. Since then, their

:54:16. > :54:21.managers have acted in an intimidating manner. Real the Prime

:54:21. > :54:29.Minister ensure me that reprisals will not be made against these.

:54:29. > :54:33.Does? -- against these doctors? As we have said before, there should

:54:33. > :54:39.always be safeguards for people who whistleblower and tell the truth

:54:39. > :54:42.about Robbins in the NHS. We have completely overhauled the CQC, and

:54:42. > :54:48.the report out today proves that it was a totally dysfunctional

:54:48. > :54:53.organisation that we inherited. In a few weeks, thousands of young people

:54:53. > :54:57.across the country will be graduating from university, and

:54:57. > :55:00.looking forward to getting their first step on the career ladder.

:55:00. > :55:05.Unfortunately for many of them, the only option will be a long-term,

:55:05. > :55:08.unpaid internship, which requires them to work for free. Will the

:55:08. > :55:13.Prime Minister therefore make sure that the national minimum wage

:55:14. > :55:18.regulations are vigorously enforced by HM RC to put an end to this

:55:18. > :55:21.expectation of our young people? I think the Right Honourable Lady is

:55:21. > :55:27.doing some really important work in this area, and it is an important

:55:27. > :55:32.area to get right. We all know from our own experiences at some short

:55:32. > :55:38.term internships, work experience, can be very valuable for picking

:55:38. > :55:41.taking part. But on the other hand, what we should not have is the

:55:41. > :55:45.employment of unpaid interns instead of workers to avoid the national

:55:45. > :55:51.minimum wage. That is the balance we have to put right and I commend her

:55:51. > :55:54.for the important work she is doing. The excellent children's heart unit

:55:54. > :55:58.at Southampton General is the best in the country outside of London,

:55:58. > :56:00.get the recent decision by the Secretary of State means more

:56:00. > :56:05.uncertainty for patients and their families in my Eastleigh

:56:05. > :56:09.constituency. What assurances can the Prime Minister give over the

:56:09. > :56:14.future of this unit? What I would say to My Honourable Friend is that

:56:14. > :56:19.I do not think the Secretary of State really had any choice but to

:56:19. > :56:24.start this whole process of looking at safe and sustainable services,

:56:24. > :56:29.including Southampton, which is twinned with the hospital which

:56:29. > :56:34.serves my constituency. I understand people's frustration, but most

:56:34. > :56:39.important is to make sure we get the decision right. The Government's own

:56:39. > :56:42.research shows a link between the portrayal of women as sex objects in

:56:43. > :56:47.the media and the greater acceptance of sexual harassment and violence

:56:47. > :56:51.against women. That being the case, will he join me in trying to get our

:56:51. > :56:54.own House in order, calling on the Parliamentary authorities to stop

:56:54. > :56:58.the Sun newspaper being available on the Parliamentary estate, and will

:56:58. > :57:07.he have a word with his friend Rupert Murdoch with it while he is

:57:07. > :57:09.at it? I am grateful to the Honourable Lady, I am glad she got

:57:09. > :57:13.her question asked, after the dazzling T-shirt she was wearing

:57:13. > :57:17.last week failed to catch the Speaker's I. I think it is very

:57:17. > :57:24.important that we should be able to read or newspapers on the

:57:24. > :57:29.Parliamentary estate, including the Sun newspaper. I welcome the Prime

:57:29. > :57:33.Minister's leadership, that, on getting the G8 to agree a deal on

:57:33. > :57:38.tackling aggressive corporate tax avoidance. Will my Right Honourable

:57:38. > :57:44.Friend confirmed that he will not be offering a corporate tax avoidance

:57:44. > :57:49.service as does the party opposite? I think My Honourable Friend makes

:57:49. > :57:52.an important point, which is that at the G8, we achieved real progress on

:57:52. > :57:55.tax transparency, cracking down on tax evasion and aggressive tax

:57:55. > :58:00.avoidance, but is it not a sad thing that while we were doing that, the

:58:00. > :58:08.party opposite is still offering tax avoidance advice to its donors, and

:58:08. > :58:12.they have not paid back the �700 of tax that they owe. Let me remind him

:58:12. > :58:16.what he said Ash if everybody approaches their tax affairs like

:58:16. > :58:20.some of these companies do, we would not have an education service, we

:58:20. > :58:27.would not have a health system. So, he has got to put his hand in his

:58:27. > :58:31.pocket and give the money back. Prime Minister, I wrote to you on

:58:31. > :58:36.eight May and have not yet received a reply. Could I ask you now - have

:58:36. > :58:39.you ever had any discussions with Lincoln Crosby about the standard

:58:39. > :58:44.packaging of cigarettes or the minimum price of unit of alcohol,

:58:44. > :58:49.yes or no? I can tell you that Lynton Crosby has never lobbied me

:58:49. > :58:55.on anything. The only opinions that I am interested in our how we

:58:55. > :58:58.destroy the credibility of the Labour Party. On which he has

:58:58. > :59:08.considerable expertise, though I have to say he is not doing as good

:59:08. > :59:14.

:59:14. > :59:19.a job as the party opposite. successfully intervened in the case

:59:19. > :59:23.of a newborn baby, who has now eventually been confirmed as the

:59:23. > :59:26.daughter of a private who died on active service in Afghanistan. His

:59:26. > :59:32.fiancee and family are in the gallery today. This whole situation,

:59:33. > :59:36.Mr Speaker, would not have arisen if the MOD routinely kept samples of

:59:36. > :59:40.DNA for those soldiers on active duty - are we making any progress on

:59:40. > :59:43.this? My Honourable Friend makes an important point, and he is quite

:59:43. > :59:47.right to have stood up for his constituents in the way that he did.

:59:47. > :59:51.I would like to convene a meeting with MOD ministers, so that I can

:59:51. > :59:56.get back to him with the very best answer about the action we can take

:59:56. > :00:02.to stop this happening in the future. The number of families

:00:02. > :00:08.living in temporary accommodation, homeless families, rose by 5000 in

:00:08. > :00:12.the last year. Can the Prime Minister explain why? ? What we need

:00:12. > :00:17.to do is to build more houses in our country, and that is exactly what

:00:17. > :00:21.this government is doing. We are building more social houses and more

:00:21. > :00:28.private houses, and we are reforming housing benefit, so we can better

:00:28. > :00:30.use the money. The question now is for the party opposite. Base bend

:00:30. > :00:34.weeks and weeks complaining about the removal of the spare room

:00:34. > :00:37.subsidy. I do not know whether anybody else has noticed, they do

:00:37. > :00:47.not ask questions about it any more. Could that possibly be because they

:00:47. > :00:49.have not got a clue about whether they would restore it? With an

:00:49. > :00:54.estimated �10 billion boost to our economy, does my Right Honourable

:00:54. > :00:59.Friend agree that a free-trade agreement with the United States

:00:59. > :01:02.represents a glittering prize for Britain and for Europe?

:01:02. > :01:07.Honourable Friend is absolutely right. I think it is very good news

:01:07. > :01:11.that this free-trade agreement has been launched at Lough Erne in

:01:11. > :01:15.Northern Ireland. It will now take many months of difficult and patient

:01:15. > :01:19.negotiation. It is a hugely competitive problem, because we want

:01:19. > :01:23.it to cover all sorts of areas, like public procurement and services, and

:01:23. > :01:33.not just manufactured goods. But it is good that is getting going,

:01:33. > :01:37.

:01:37. > :01:41.because this could mean millions of jobs right across Europe. On the

:01:41. > :01:48.subject of giving money back, which he has just referred to in respect

:01:48. > :01:54.of the Labour Party, will he now explained to the House why, when he

:01:54. > :02:01.had a windfall, he decided to write down his mortgage at Notting Hill

:02:01. > :02:08.instead of writing down the mortgage of the one that he was claiming for

:02:08. > :02:13.from the expenses allowance in the House of Commons? I think what the

:02:13. > :02:18.Honourable Gentleman needs to do is concentrate on the massive problem

:02:18. > :02:23.on his front bench, because I have to say, Mr Speaker, every week till

:02:23. > :02:33.they pay the money back, they are going to get a question about the

:02:33. > :02:52.

:02:52. > :02:56.�700,000 that they owe to the There seems to be a consensus

:02:57. > :03:02.between the frontbenchers that big chunks of the report should be

:03:02. > :03:05.implemented, and quickly. Mr Miliband and Mr Cameron therefore

:03:05. > :03:10.decided to fallout over bankers' bonuses, to give them something to

:03:10. > :03:16.argue about. The ported news since we have been

:03:16. > :03:23.an air is that South Africa is 88 48. -- the imported use.

:03:23. > :03:29.We are joined by the shadow attorney general, Emily Thornberry. About the

:03:29. > :03:35.programme. Jacqueline says petty squabbling,

:03:35. > :03:41.nothing said at PMQ 's has any bearing on my way. It just shows how

:03:41. > :03:50.out of touch politicians from all colours. Another person said, a

:03:50. > :03:55.snappy but boring spat. It's basically descended to, it was your

:03:55. > :03:59.fault, no, it or, misguided Ed Miliband. Yet again he David Cameron

:03:59. > :04:03.on the aftermath of the economic explosion. He will always get a good

:04:03. > :04:13.hiding because he can never overcome the stigma of Gordon Brown and the

:04:13. > :04:16.

:04:16. > :04:20.Labour Party putts-macro failure to see the James in Hampshire, they

:04:20. > :04:27.need to face up to the countless failures of the government and not

:04:27. > :04:34.attempt to hide from the coalition's unpopular and calamitous

:04:34. > :04:39.policies. He is up for criminal charges, up

:04:39. > :04:42.for delaying bonuses. Mr Miliband says, that is great, and if you

:04:43. > :04:49.don't, we will. It seems like the only politician in Britain prepared

:04:49. > :04:53.to stand up for the bankers is Boris Johnson. No wonder, he is the Mayor

:04:53. > :04:59.of London and that is where he thinks much of London's money is

:04:59. > :05:05.created. The arguments may come down to the detail. Just before PMQ 's,

:05:05. > :05:07.you were discussing how to define reckless behaviour. In what

:05:07. > :05:13.circumstances are bonuses delayed, in what circumstances are they

:05:13. > :05:18.clawed back? Although there is a broad consensus that they agreed to,

:05:18. > :05:24.frankly, they all read the same opinion polls and bankers are even

:05:24. > :05:34.less popular than journalists, politicians and estate agents.

:05:34. > :05:39.Knotty state agents! Don't be ridiculous! -- not estate agents!

:05:39. > :05:45.Miliband got the answer, yes. Will you do this? Yes. You do not want

:05:45. > :05:50.that. On another note, I think this is the first time in many, many,

:05:50. > :05:55.many weeks, where there is not a single critical question to the

:05:55. > :06:03.Prime Minister from a conservative. The most empty as you has to

:06:03. > :06:08.question, praising him for a European referendum, welfare reform

:06:08. > :06:17.and academies, was done by the man who has just been made Sir Edward

:06:17. > :06:21.Leigh. Amazing times.It is quite striking, because, week after week

:06:21. > :06:25.he has faced really difficult questions from his own side. Maybe

:06:25. > :06:29.it is because the gay marriage bill has moved out of the comments to the

:06:29. > :06:38.Lords, or perhaps because Tory backbenchers are excited by the

:06:38. > :06:47.Director Rendon bill in the House of Commons which will be dilated on

:06:47. > :06:51.July the 5th, I'm not sure? -- excited by the Referendum Bill. .

:06:51. > :06:59.Financial services are among the top five things that this country is a

:06:59. > :07:05.world leader in. We have already lost about 200,000 300,000 jobs in

:07:05. > :07:08.financial services since the crash of 2008. Barely a week goes by

:07:08. > :07:14.without a bank announcing another 2000 or 3000 well-paid jobs are

:07:14. > :07:24.going. You want to tell bankers that if they are found guilty of

:07:24. > :07:25.

:07:25. > :07:30.misconduct, they could go to jail, although it is yet -- not yet clear

:07:30. > :07:35.how long they will have to wait for their bonus. Why don't they just go

:07:35. > :07:43.elsewhere? We are the country where no one has gone to prison, which is

:07:43. > :07:53.unusual. They certainly did in New York. In the States, people get hold

:07:53. > :07:57.up all the time. Yeah, but not for the crash. We believe the economy

:07:57. > :08:02.should be balanced. We want a strong City, and I totally agree with Boris

:08:02. > :08:06.Johnson, we want this City to be strong, but not at the cost of the

:08:06. > :08:12.people. That means you need proper regulation. And when somebody does

:08:12. > :08:18.something so outrageous that it affects lots of people's lives and

:08:18. > :08:25.livelihoods... Such as what?Some of the stuff we have seen such as LIBOR

:08:25. > :08:34.and financial reform. Fiddling live there is already a rough -- already

:08:34. > :08:37.an offence. I think people are about to be arrested on this. I think if

:08:37. > :08:43.anyone would like to step back and look at what has gone on in the

:08:43. > :08:53.City, all the different offences, from what happened at HSBC, at a

:08:53. > :08:54.

:08:54. > :08:56.LIBOR, with the financial crust, -- the financial crash, and nobody has

:08:56. > :09:00.taken responsibility. Economists will tell you that in any economy

:09:00. > :09:05.you should use resources as best you can, and it is possible for them to

:09:05. > :09:09.end up in the wrong place. We came into government saying that we want

:09:09. > :09:14.to rebalance this economy, and we have more people in work than ever

:09:14. > :09:20.before, despite the economic Times being tough, because we have allowed

:09:20. > :09:24.some of the rebalancing to take place. As Nick Clegg admitted to me,

:09:24. > :09:34.it has not happened. As a percentage of GDP, manufacturing, construction

:09:34. > :09:35.

:09:35. > :09:38.is still... I was asked by Ed to do quite a lot of work into City crime.

:09:38. > :09:43.I was looking at working on an economic crime bill. One of the

:09:43. > :09:50.problems we have got is that if an individual behaves in a fraudulent

:09:50. > :09:53.way within a company, it is difficult to prosecute the company

:09:53. > :09:55.as a whole. You can get an individual defrauding others for the

:09:55. > :10:00.sake of the company, the company is not prosecuted. In the United

:10:00. > :10:07.States, which we do not have here, we do not have a large fines for

:10:07. > :10:11.individuals behaving for companies. We should be looking at increasing

:10:11. > :10:16.the fines, putting them back into the fraud office, who can start

:10:16. > :10:23.doing real prosecutions. The problem with fraud as you tend not to have a

:10:23. > :10:27.dead body or a blood Trail, it is difficult to get prosecutions going.

:10:27. > :10:30.We launched that on Friday. The ideas from today are very

:10:30. > :10:34.interesting. We need to look at it carefully and make sure we are

:10:34. > :10:39.effective. One of the reasons you can get an agreement from both sides

:10:39. > :10:43.is that we all know something needs to be done. We need to be careful

:10:43. > :10:53.that it is not a George Osborne spin, and that we need to toughen it

:10:53. > :10:58.

:10:58. > :11:00.up. Because Labour would never spin banking is an offence. We need to

:11:00. > :11:04.make sure that we do it well. The last thing we want is to pass

:11:04. > :11:12.legislation for the sake of it, looking at it as window dressing. We

:11:12. > :11:15.have to change the corporate culture. You have had your say.

:11:15. > :11:20.Politicians on all sides read in the opinion polls, they hear from their

:11:20. > :11:25.constituents, they want the equivalent of the thing in a crime

:11:25. > :11:33.show where you off was to walk to the police station in America, a

:11:33. > :11:37.want somebody to do that. But I think in Britain, the perp walk is

:11:37. > :11:44.facing the Treasury select committee, or the ultimate sanction,

:11:44. > :11:52.we will take your knighthood off you! That'll teach them! People are

:11:52. > :11:58.so fed up. I don't agree with Nick Clegg that the economy is not

:11:58. > :12:02.rebalancing, if that is what he told you. We have 600,000 fewer people

:12:02. > :12:06.working in the public sector, 1.2 million more in the private sector.

:12:06. > :12:11.It is easy to bandy around manufacturing figures without

:12:11. > :12:17.recognising that manufacturing is being more efficient, it is

:12:17. > :12:23.producing great output. I am talking about a percentage of GDP. That does

:12:23. > :12:30.not take into account the total amount of stuff being manufactured.

:12:30. > :12:36.Unless the manufacturer takes a bigger share of GDP? This country is

:12:36. > :12:42.manufacturing more in absolute terms and is bigger than before. Not as a

:12:42. > :12:47.percentage of GDP, as the total that you manufacturer. Then it is good

:12:47. > :12:57.for manufacturing, but it is not rebalancing. Reign will you break up

:12:57. > :13:06.RBS? In response to the people saying that they just showed at each

:13:06. > :13:16.other. .1, they watch it. I have a five-year waiting list of

:13:16. > :13:23.constituents wanting to come to Prime Minister's Questions. Can we

:13:23. > :13:29.see the family photo from the G8? The dress code! Let's see what they

:13:29. > :13:38.should really look like. Much more stylish. Angela Merkel's is

:13:38. > :13:45.particularly fetching. What was this business of not wearing ties? Did Mr

:13:45. > :13:49.Cameron spread it about? There was definitely a dress code, President

:13:49. > :13:54.Putin recognised it when he got off the plane in jeans and a casual

:13:54. > :13:58.shirt. There is an element that is reasonable about it, but something

:13:58. > :14:04.was serious and a bit different. The original idea of the G8 was that

:14:04. > :14:08.leaders would get round a table, look each other in the eye and talk,

:14:08. > :14:13.nobody else was in the room. It has become a massive jamboree. David

:14:13. > :14:18.Cameron was trying to make it more like that. It was striking when you

:14:18. > :14:22.saw the pictures that the table they were sitting around, ten, the two EU

:14:22. > :14:30.presidents, was not much bigger than this. There were not other people in

:14:30. > :14:37.the room. Did they achieve anything more as a result? What about Syria?

:14:37. > :14:43.What did they do? They are just papering over the cracks. He talked

:14:43. > :14:53.it up, the Prime Minister said, we will sort out Syria. What do you

:14:53. > :14:54.

:14:54. > :15:00.want him to do? You don't want him to... What do you want him to do?We

:15:00. > :15:05.think that you need to talk to the Russians about assuring... Just look

:15:05. > :15:08.at the face of President Putin. Do you think he was charmed and brought

:15:08. > :15:13.on board, whether or not he was wearing a tie or sitting at a nice

:15:13. > :15:22.table? You can hardly blame the British Prime Minister for Mr

:15:22. > :15:27.Putin's face. I can blame him for saying, we will sort out Syria, and

:15:27. > :15:30.doing nothing. And then all we do afterwards is talk about the ties

:15:30. > :15:37.and the tables. You are doing the best you can, with very little

:15:37. > :15:40.material. I was just baffled that you criticised him on Syria, when I

:15:41. > :15:46.sat in a statement on Syria and officially the position of the

:15:46. > :15:50.Labour Party was what he should not do. I don't remember them suggesting

:15:50. > :15:59.an alternative. I am sure that if Ed Miliband was there, Mr Putin would

:15:59. > :16:04.have been eating out of the palm of his hand. The question they really

:16:04. > :16:08.had to face is, was it worth keeping Putin on board? Was it more

:16:08. > :16:15.powerful, the statement, without putting? Camera made the compromise.

:16:15. > :16:22.I asked him about it, and he said he had not done so, but he had clearly

:16:22. > :16:26.watered down the words to keep Putin on board. Pharmaceutical companies

:16:26. > :16:30.do not have to reveal the results of all the trials they have done. So,

:16:30. > :16:35.much of the time, negative findings go unreported, leaving doctors and

:16:36. > :16:45.researchers in the dark. In his soapbox, the writer and medical Dr

:16:46. > :17:07.

:17:07. > :17:12.Ben Goldacre explains why he wants scientific evidence to help us make

:17:12. > :17:16.informed decisions about which treatment is best for the patient.

:17:16. > :17:19.For this, we use randomised controlled trials, fair test 's,

:17:19. > :17:23.comparing one treatment against another. But there is a problem.

:17:23. > :17:30.Since the mid-19 80s, we have known that the results of these trials are

:17:30. > :17:33.routinely withheld from doctors, researchers, patients and payers,

:17:33. > :17:39.buried in document storage archives like this. The best currently

:17:39. > :17:42.available evidence from the guest study, summarising all the studies

:17:42. > :17:46.that have been done on missing data, suggest that around half of all

:17:46. > :17:50.trials which have been on medicines that we use today have never been

:17:50. > :17:56.published. They are buried in storage boxes like these. Worse than

:17:56. > :17:59.that, trials with positive results are about twice as likely to be

:17:59. > :18:04.published as trials with negative results. This week, the Public

:18:04. > :18:10.Accounts Committee are looking at the issue. I gave evidence on

:18:10. > :18:15.Monday. The UK government spends �12 billion a year on its drugs budget.

:18:16. > :18:18.We spent half �1 billion a year on Tom Flynn, one drug alone, and yet,

:18:18. > :18:24.the company withheld vitally important information on the results

:18:24. > :18:31.of clinical trials. More amazingly than that, in doing so, they broke

:18:31. > :18:37.no law. This is a huge medical policy line spot which has been

:18:37. > :18:41.neglect did by politicians and senior doctors alike for many

:18:41. > :18:46.decades. That is why, with colleagues, I have had to start a

:18:46. > :18:50.public campaign. The petition now has the support of more than 50,000

:18:50. > :18:55.members of the general public, more than 100 patient groups, and,

:18:55. > :18:59.belatedly, almost all the academic and medical professional bodies in

:18:59. > :19:09.the UK. Even GS K, the biggest drug company in the country, have signed

:19:09. > :19:12.up. We need the full methods and results of all the trials that have

:19:12. > :19:18.been conduct did from all of the treatments that we use today, to

:19:18. > :19:26.make informed decisions. And we need politicians to understand why that

:19:26. > :19:31.matters. Dr Ben Goldacre joins us now. Do you know why the decision

:19:31. > :19:35.was made to retain the withhold the results of clinical trials? You say

:19:35. > :19:41.it has been done since the middle of the 1980s. It has been done for

:19:41. > :19:44.ever. It is a cultural blindspot, a historical anomaly. The bull had the

:19:44. > :19:47.strange idea that if you did a trial and it found no difference between

:19:47. > :19:51.the new treat and and the old treatment, then it was not

:19:51. > :19:56.scientifically interesting. I think that is where it again. But it

:19:56. > :20:00.snowballed from there to become a huge systemic album. We have known

:20:00. > :20:07.about this since the 1980s. We know that about half of all trials never

:20:07. > :20:10.get published. So, how can a doctor truthfully prescribed drugs if he or

:20:10. > :20:16.she does not know the full facts of the trials that have been carried

:20:16. > :20:21.out on that drug? That is the core of this problem. Overall, with a lot

:20:21. > :20:24.of experience in writing about the blooms in medicine, I think it is

:20:24. > :20:27.unusual that drugs come to market doing more harm than good. What we

:20:27. > :20:32.are talking about is whether or not we know the absolute best available

:20:32. > :20:39.treatment. If there is one drug that saves eight lives out of 100, and

:20:39. > :20:43.another saves six, we want everybody to have the one that saves eight.

:20:44. > :20:48.play devils advocate, you could say that if you made this oblique, you

:20:48. > :20:58.would be making everybody a pseudo- doctor, going online, so should it

:20:58. > :21:00.

:21:00. > :21:06.not be left to the experts? -- if you made this online. The reality is

:21:06. > :21:08.that there are lots of organisations around the world, nonprofit bodies,

:21:09. > :21:15.who summarise the evidence and produce gold standard summaries,

:21:15. > :21:18.which docked tours and patients can use to decide the best treatment. We

:21:19. > :21:22.cannot expect that they are not going to be able to have access to

:21:22. > :21:28.this information, or that they are only allowed to see the most

:21:28. > :21:30.flattering half of that information. That is not how science works. Do

:21:30. > :21:40.you agree that actually, all of these clinical trial results should

:21:40. > :21:42.

:21:42. > :21:52.be open and given to doctors, researchers and patients? I think it

:21:52. > :21:54.

:21:54. > :22:00.is right that not even NICE GET THESE RESULTS, IS THAT RIGHT?

:22:00. > :22:03.Actually, the European agency had a damning report of a finding by the

:22:03. > :22:07.European ombudsman, after which they were forced to start releasing

:22:07. > :22:14.clinical study reports that they had, not all of them, but at least

:22:14. > :22:20.more. But loophole was closed just two weeks ago. Would you put

:22:20. > :22:26.pressure on companies to reveal it? I think it is the right thing to do.

:22:26. > :22:32.But in order to make it effective, we have to do it internationally.

:22:32. > :22:36.Europe is big enough, I think, to be able to start putting pressure on

:22:36. > :22:42.internationally. We do not want drugs companies to say, you are

:22:42. > :22:47.making life difficult for us, let's all clear after Brazil. I think it

:22:47. > :22:52.is a brilliant piece of research, and we are in relation to our

:22:52. > :23:02.earlier , station about transparency, this is surely the

:23:02. > :23:07.

:23:07. > :23:12.definition of that. So, will you make them do it? It is an amazing

:23:12. > :23:21.piece of research, and I will speak to my colleagues and we should take

:23:21. > :23:23.it forward. We have a quote - we firmly believe that health

:23:23. > :23:28.authorities need to remain the gate keeper for drugs approval - in other

:23:28. > :23:33.words, we are not going to do it. will certainly undertake to speak to

:23:33. > :23:36.the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt about it. You can imagine in

:23:36. > :23:46.previous decades, people did not even think about this stuff. But

:23:46. > :23:46.

:23:46. > :23:50.nowadays, it is different. If they do not want to publish trials, you

:23:50. > :23:55.have put a lot of money into trials, and they do not give the results you

:23:55. > :23:58.want, they are not going to want to publish them. So why would your

:23:58. > :24:01.company remain in your constituency if you were forcing them to do

:24:01. > :24:05.that? Clearly it would have to be done by agreement across the

:24:05. > :24:13.industry, as you say. But there is no reason why David could not get

:24:13. > :24:18.together to do this. There is a long and dismal history of voluntary

:24:18. > :24:22.codes of conduct which are unenforced and unaudited and

:24:22. > :24:26.riddled, to be honest, deliberately, with loopholes. I would welcome any

:24:26. > :24:30.lobbying advice you have, and I would like advice on how to get this

:24:30. > :24:35.fixed, as I find it amazing that there are things we can do in the

:24:35. > :24:38.immediate short-term, like, for example, the UK government could

:24:38. > :24:44.strongly lobby the European agency to bring this to the European court

:24:44. > :24:47.of justice, to get this to be more transparent. But also, to have

:24:47. > :24:53.politicians making a clear statement that drug companies and researchers

:24:53. > :24:59.have to work harder on this. There is the statement, Grant Shapps, you

:24:59. > :25:02.can have that. Now, the part of the programme that makes things happen.

:25:02. > :25:06.If you run a major NHS trust at a time of unprecedented financial

:25:06. > :25:10.pressures, and you are worried about the physical fitness of your staff,

:25:10. > :25:20.you might want to help initiate an exercise campaign. But what do you

:25:20. > :25:52.

:25:52. > :25:57.# Is this the Way to Amarillo... Was Superman was played by Phil Morley,

:25:57. > :26:02.the Chief Executive of Hull and East Yorkshire NHS Trust, and he has

:26:02. > :26:07.caused controversy with his office exercise campaign. Staff have been

:26:07. > :26:13.quoted as saying it was patronising and embarrassing. They found that he

:26:13. > :26:20.was out of touch, but how did they work that out? ! What is the most

:26:20. > :26:30.embarrassing thing you have done in public? Singing. I always seem. That

:26:30. > :26:31.

:26:31. > :26:41.is what I do. On you go, carry on. No, please, I was singing along

:26:41. > :26:42.

:26:42. > :26:49.earlier. You represent Islington, so you have that karaoke bar. I love

:26:49. > :26:59.karaoke, and I love that bar. myself have never done anything

:26:59. > :27:20.

:27:20. > :27:28.embarrassing in public, I am sure of They have obviously got a copyleft.

:27:28. > :27:38.But you do that every time you leave the studio! I think that was one of

:27:38. > :27:42.our most senior producers. Anyway, just time to put you out of your

:27:42. > :27:48.misery, and find the answer to our guest the year competition. It was

:27:48. > :27:54.1974. The clue was the petrol queues, which meant it could have

:27:54. > :27:58.been 1979 as well, but there were other things in the film which

:27:58. > :28:03.showed it was 1974, a pretty miserable year, certainly if you

:28:03. > :28:07.were a political journalist, although there were two elections,

:28:07. > :28:13.one in February, and one in October. There was really no distinct outcome

:28:13. > :28:18.for either, but Labour ended up the largest party in both. Anything else

:28:18. > :28:27.you would like to know about 1974? No, but we would like to know who

:28:27. > :28:33.the winner is. If you just best that button... -- press that button.

:28:33. > :28:39.Robert Taggart in Cheshire. Congratulations. Thanks to all of

:28:39. > :28:46.our guests. The one o'clock News is starting over on BBC One. I am not

:28:46. > :28:50.here tomorrow, I have got to go to Prague. I am flying solo. Gyles