03/07/2013

:00:39. > :00:47.Daily Politics. The NHS - free at the point of delivery, but not if

:00:47. > :00:49.you're a foreigner. It is not the international health service! The

:00:49. > :00:51.Government consults on charging non-EU nationals for going to the

:00:51. > :00:55.doctor. It's usually David Cameron and his

:00:55. > :00:58.MPs who are in a bit a bother over Europe, now Ed Miliband has his own

:00:58. > :01:02.euro-woes over whether to hold an in-out referendum.

:01:02. > :01:12.And the two men will take each other in PMQs - we'll bring you that live

:01:12. > :01:18.at midday. You have an idealistic view of the world. The problem is

:01:18. > :01:24.you sound like a 1980s alternative comedian. It is hilarious, in many

:01:24. > :01:27.years that many respects. Taking on the mantle of Ben Elton does not

:01:27. > :01:30.help anyone. You sound like a Tory politician.

:01:30. > :01:40.And the fall-out from yesterday's row between the Labour MP and the

:01:40. > :01:45.Labour blogger. That was great television yesterday! It really was!

:01:45. > :01:49.I was trying hard not to smile. All that coming up in less time than

:01:49. > :01:52.it takes to knock a top seed out of Wimbledon. And on centre court here

:01:52. > :01:54.in SW1 - and with us for the duration - Westminster's finest

:01:54. > :01:57.mixed doubles pairing. The Shadow Europe Minister Emma Reynolds and

:01:57. > :02:01.the health minister Dr Dan Poulter. Welcome to the programme. First, who

:02:01. > :02:04.should have the right to free treatment on the NHS? The Government

:02:04. > :02:09.is launching a consultation today on how to restrict foreigners' access

:02:10. > :02:13.to hospitals and doctors surgeries. JoCo has all the details.

:02:13. > :02:18.Yes, that's right. Under the proposals, non-EU nationals who come

:02:18. > :02:23.to the UK for more than six months could be charged at least �200 a

:02:23. > :02:26.year to access NHS treatment. More than 270,000 migrants came to study

:02:26. > :02:33.and work in Britain last year from outside the EU, who are likely to be

:02:33. > :02:38.affected by the levy. The Department of Health said the cost of treating

:02:38. > :02:40.foreigners is at least �30 million a year for the NHS in England alone.

:02:40. > :02:46.However, doctors have claimed the move would turn surgeries into

:02:46. > :02:49.border posts. And Dr Clare Gerada, the chairwoman of the Royal College

:02:49. > :02:59.of GPs, said �30 million was the equivalent of just two hours of the

:02:59. > :03:04.

:03:04. > :03:09.NHS's annual spending. So, why should doctors be border

:03:09. > :03:11.control agents? That is not the case, and it would not be the case

:03:11. > :03:15.that doctors would have to refuse treatment for patients, that would

:03:15. > :03:21.never happen in the NHS. But we want to introduce a system which make

:03:21. > :03:26.sure that the money that we put into the NHS as a government is bent on

:03:26. > :03:36.British patients, just as when we travel overseas we have to take out

:03:36. > :03:41.

:03:41. > :03:46.health insurance or make sure that we are provided for with health

:03:46. > :03:55.care, we believe it is right that people who come here as tourists or

:03:55. > :04:00.students should make provision for the cost of their own health care.

:04:00. > :04:03.How would a doctor know if somebody had paid the levy? We have people on

:04:03. > :04:07.long stays, people coming here as students. As a condition of the

:04:07. > :04:11.students reason we could put the levy down or make sure that some

:04:11. > :04:14.that he had health insurance. would not get in if they did not pay

:04:14. > :04:17.the levy or have health insurance? This is what the consultation is

:04:17. > :04:20.about. If you want to come here and study, and foreign students pay full

:04:20. > :04:24.tuition fees, so it will not be a deterrent, an extra couple of

:04:24. > :04:27.hundreds of pounds... You could throw in the health care if they are

:04:27. > :04:31.paying through the nose for their fees! If you went anywhere overseas,

:04:31. > :04:35.you would have to pay for health care. In the NHS, we need to make

:04:35. > :04:40.sure that many in this country goes on British patients. Don't we want

:04:40. > :04:44.more students to come here and pay full fees? Students are usually

:04:44. > :04:50.pretty healthy anyway, why not just throw in the cost of the health care

:04:50. > :04:55.and get even more coming and paying �12,000 a year, sometimes �15,000?

:04:55. > :05:00.It is not a barrier for students coming here. They are already paying

:05:00. > :05:03.many thousands of pounds. Making sure we have a levy which covers the

:05:03. > :05:09.NHS and make sure that local patients are not shortchanged has to

:05:09. > :05:13.be the right thing. How big a problem is health to resign? I think

:05:13. > :05:19.you'll estimate was on the conservative side. It could be �200

:05:19. > :05:25.million a year, which is a lot of money which should be going to

:05:25. > :05:30.support British patients. We know there is money... We have not been

:05:30. > :05:35.very good in some parts of the country at recouping money from EU

:05:35. > :05:41.migrants. Other countries are better at that. In terms of more general

:05:41. > :05:46.health tourism, at the minute we don't have any system for properly

:05:46. > :05:51.tracking who is accessing the NHS. People are given an NHS number and

:05:51. > :05:56.right to access when they turn up. We don't know the full cost, which

:05:56. > :06:02.is why it could be up to �200 million. Your boss, Jeremy Hunt,

:06:02. > :06:11.said the NHS is owed �12 million from foreigners. That is a figure

:06:11. > :06:16.that we know there is money from the EU migrants... There is meant to be

:06:16. > :06:19.a money transfer. Why don't you get that before you do anything else?

:06:19. > :06:22.are cracking down on that and making sure that we deal with it more

:06:22. > :06:29.effectively. We have inherited a system which did not do anything

:06:29. > :06:33.like this. In the last three years we have put measures in place, local

:06:33. > :06:37.hospitals are getting better at recouping the money than they were.

:06:37. > :06:42.There is a problem at some hospitals need to do more, that is why we are

:06:42. > :06:48.having a drive on the EU side as well. But the big focus needs to be

:06:48. > :06:51.on people from outside of the EU coming in, potentially costing up to

:06:51. > :06:56.�200 million a year. That is what we need to focus on, taking sure

:06:56. > :07:00.British patients are not shortchanged. If these people can't

:07:00. > :07:05.afford to see a doctor or decide they have been put off, they could

:07:05. > :07:13.be carrying diseases that we could all end up getting? The point is

:07:13. > :07:18.that this system operates in every other country that we may visit. The

:07:18. > :07:22.point is that people are coming into this country. If they need emergency

:07:22. > :07:26.treatment, that would always be provided. Doctors will always

:07:26. > :07:32.provide emergency treatment, but we need to make sure we recoup the

:07:32. > :07:36.cost. To recharge for emergency treatment? At the moment, in the

:07:37. > :07:45.system from the Labour Government, we do not charge of almost any

:07:45. > :07:51.treatment. If they end up in A&E, they will get that free at the point

:07:51. > :07:54.of use, but will they subsequently be charged? Initially there was a

:07:54. > :07:59.distinction the previous government brought in on what was emergency and

:07:59. > :08:07.what was non-emergency. That has become increasingly blurred. What

:08:07. > :08:10.would you do? It was blurred because it sums it presents with TB, which

:08:10. > :08:17.may be secondary to HIV, there would be other complications of illness

:08:17. > :08:20.that develop. The definition of emergency treatment has been widened

:08:20. > :08:24.and widened and widened further. There needs to be a more clear

:08:24. > :08:28.definition and consultation between immediate life-saving treatment and

:08:28. > :08:32.treatment which is more routine, day-to-day care and treatment. We

:08:32. > :08:38.have to look into this and make sure we get the money back. What is

:08:38. > :08:42.Labour's position? We will consider these proposals. We agree with the

:08:42. > :08:47.principle, migrants who come in and use the health service should not be

:08:47. > :08:52.able to use it for free. The NHS is a national health this, not an

:08:52. > :08:56.international health service. We certainly agree. But we need to get

:08:56. > :09:03.a little bit of perspective. The Health Secretary has tried to blame

:09:03. > :09:10.foreign migrant workers who come before that who come here for the

:09:10. > :09:20.A&E crisis. I thought he was blaming the doctors contract? A contract

:09:20. > :09:27.which came in in 2003 is responsible... The principle... ? It

:09:27. > :09:31.I think it is workable. If you are not a British citizen, you are not

:09:31. > :09:36.paying taxes as a student and so on, you leave again, you should pay for

:09:36. > :09:41.your health care? The NHS should be better and more effective at

:09:41. > :09:46.recouping the cost. You don't think it is an foe began stigmatising

:09:46. > :09:52.foreigners? I don't think so. I'd like to see more foreign students. I

:09:52. > :09:55.think it is a great shame that the immigration figures, that the Tory

:09:55. > :10:03.led government have been putting downward pressure on students coming

:10:03. > :10:07.here. The rest of the world want foreign students. But some of them

:10:07. > :10:16.are going to the dodgy foreign language schools, which you allowed

:10:16. > :10:22.to fester. When Diane Sabot -- Diane Abbott said, what price, xenophobia?

:10:22. > :10:27.She is your shadow public health spokesman. She is wrong? You just

:10:27. > :10:33.said you did not think it was xenophobic or stigmatising? I don't

:10:33. > :10:38.think the principle of recouping the cost is xenophobic... She does.I

:10:38. > :10:42.think she is referring to the fact that there have been some

:10:42. > :10:46.Conservative MPs who have tried to blame this issue for other crises.

:10:46. > :10:51.She was reacting immediately in the aftermath of Jeremy Hunt's interview

:10:51. > :10:58.this morning, outlining the policy that our other guests just has. I

:10:58. > :11:06.agree that you should recoup the cost. And she doesn't. The Shadow

:11:06. > :11:16.Public Health Minister, the first time she has been quoted since she

:11:16. > :11:17.

:11:17. > :11:21.left This Week, said, what price xenophobia? Stigmatising foreigners

:11:21. > :11:25.accessing NHS creates a public health risk. That would seem to be

:11:25. > :11:29.an attack on the policy. There is a public health risk which you have

:11:29. > :11:33.underlined, people could need treatment for TB and other diseases,

:11:33. > :11:43.and if untreated, they could infect other people. How long is the

:11:43. > :11:44.

:11:44. > :11:47.consultation period? It will go into the autumn. There should be

:11:48. > :11:50.something later in the year. Should we chalk one up for UKIP?

:11:50. > :11:53.On Friday the European Union Referendum Bill has its second

:11:53. > :11:55.reading in the House of Commons. The private member's bill, which is

:11:55. > :11:58.backed by the Conservative leadership, seeks to commit the

:11:58. > :12:01.Government to a referendum on Britain's memberbership of the EU in

:12:01. > :12:11.2017, after a renegotiation of powers. And it poses a condundrum

:12:11. > :12:11.

:12:11. > :12:15.for Labour leader Ed Miliband. Here's Jo with more.

:12:15. > :12:18.Everyone knows that David Cameron has problems with Euro rebels.

:12:18. > :12:22.Splits in the Tory Party over Europe are almost what we've come to

:12:22. > :12:26.expect. But there's also a growing question about what Labour should do

:12:26. > :12:30.about Europe. Ed Miliband could face problems of his own, with competing

:12:30. > :12:36.factions in his party backing different strategies. On Friday, MPs

:12:36. > :12:39.have their first chance to vote on the Conservative Referendum Bill.

:12:39. > :12:42.Labour complain the Bill is a Tory stunt, and whips have told

:12:42. > :12:49.backbenchers not to bother turning up unless they're prepared to make a

:12:49. > :12:53.supportive speech on Labour's position. But some in his party want

:12:53. > :12:56.Miliband to commit to his own referendum. One plan is to promise a

:12:56. > :13:01.vote within six months of the next election - well, before the Tories'

:13:01. > :13:06.2017 timetable. There's even a radical option of demanding a

:13:06. > :13:10.referendum before the election. It could be Labour - rather than the

:13:10. > :13:14.Conservatives, for a change - who look to be most split on Europe. One

:13:14. > :13:23.of the Labour MPs in favour of a referendum is John Cryer, and he

:13:23. > :13:27.joins us live from Central Lobby now. John, when would you like the

:13:27. > :13:31.in-out referendum? As soon as possible. You have to have this

:13:31. > :13:35.decision got out of the way. There have been an awful lot of changes to

:13:35. > :13:40.the European constitution and to our Constitution which have shifted

:13:40. > :13:45.powers to Brussels. Nobody has had a say since 1975, and it is about time

:13:45. > :13:50.they did. We should have a referendum as soon as possible.

:13:50. > :13:54.in the minority in your party? wanting a referendum as soon as

:13:54. > :13:59.possible, probably, but I think a growing number think it would be a

:13:59. > :14:03.good idea. Even the euro supporters think the divide between Parliament

:14:03. > :14:07.and the people is just unsustainable. The majority of them,

:14:07. > :14:13.including Tories, are reasonably happy with the EU, or staying inside

:14:13. > :14:19.the EU. Amongst voters, it is the other way round. You can't sustain

:14:19. > :14:25.that. On Friday, will you vote with the Conservatives in defiance of

:14:25. > :14:29.your whips? No. I will not turn up and vote, I will abstain. I think

:14:29. > :14:34.the bill is a con, it has clearly been hatched by the Tory leadership.

:14:34. > :14:38.It would give us a referendum on four or five years. In the meantime,

:14:38. > :14:43.the Prime Minister says he will renegotiate membership. We all know,

:14:43. > :14:47.including the Conservatives, that that will not happen. He will not

:14:47. > :14:51.get any substantive powers back. I don't know why he doesn't have a

:14:51. > :14:56.referendum as soon as possible. Ed Miliband change direction? How

:14:56. > :15:04.likely is it that Labour could call for a referendum ahead of the

:15:04. > :15:06.election? I suppose the bill could be amended to bring the date

:15:06. > :15:10.forward, which I think would be a good thing. Your original question

:15:10. > :15:15.was Will the Labour Party change its position? In my view, I think we

:15:16. > :15:19.will. I am one of those who has said all along, even before David Cameron

:15:19. > :15:22.made his original announcement, that we should be calling for a

:15:22. > :15:26.referendum, and we should be promising that we will have one

:15:26. > :15:32.after the next election, should we win power. Have you any support in

:15:32. > :15:38.the shadow cabinet? I don't know. I don't go around canvassing opinion.

:15:38. > :15:43.Maybe I should. I understand there are people in the shadow cabinet on

:15:43. > :15:47.the front bench who are supportive of my position of others. I put

:15:47. > :15:57.forward my arguments. I am not organising anything. I put them

:15:57. > :15:59.

:15:59. > :16:03.Do you think Labour will change its position before the election?

:16:03. > :16:10.have been clear and consistent on this issue, unlike the Tories who

:16:10. > :16:15.had a vote in 2011. I will come to him in a moment, tell me about your

:16:15. > :16:20.priorities. We said it is the wrong priority at the wrong time.

:16:20. > :16:23.Promising a referendum in four years' time creates economic

:16:23. > :16:31.uncertainty for four years, could affect foreign investment and

:16:31. > :16:38.therefore, jobs. Martin Sorrell, who is well known to be a Tory

:16:38. > :16:48.supporter... He voted with Mr Blair. He tends to be more on the

:16:48. > :16:48.

:16:48. > :16:52.conservative side. It's his is simple question. I am asking you is

:16:52. > :16:56.there any chance you would change your policy before the General

:16:56. > :17:01.Election? We have said we don't want a referendum now and we don't

:17:01. > :17:05.want one in four years' time. The Government should focus on the

:17:05. > :17:11.economy. If you look at polling, people care more about the economy

:17:11. > :17:16.than anything else. This Bill on Friday is a distraction. Can our

:17:16. > :17:20.viewers concluded you want a change of policy before the election?

:17:21. > :17:24.his two years to go before the election. I have set out our

:17:24. > :17:32.position as it is now. I am asking is there any chance you will change

:17:32. > :17:40.this before we go to the polls? will keep on the statute book, the

:17:40. > :17:45.referendum mock. Secondly, Europe is in a state of great flux. The

:17:45. > :17:51.argument is abating, but ongoing. We don't know what the dynamic will

:17:51. > :17:55.be between those in the eurozone and the UK. Croatia is outside.

:17:55. > :18:00.Let's see what happens with the dynamics of that relationship.

:18:00. > :18:05.are keeping your options open? Are you telling me then, as a result of

:18:06. > :18:10.the so-called dynamics between those within the eurozone and those

:18:10. > :18:16.out of the eurozone, between now and 2015, you might change of

:18:16. > :18:20.policy? I don't think it will change significantly. So you won't

:18:21. > :18:30.change a policy? I do not expect us to. It would be silly to rule out

:18:31. > :18:31.

:18:31. > :18:35.something. You are keeping your options open. We need to make these

:18:35. > :18:41.decisions on the national interest. What matters now, is when the

:18:41. > :18:46.eurozone integration happens, but the UK still has a say in what

:18:46. > :18:51.happens. This Bill is not worth the paper it is written on is it? After

:18:51. > :18:56.the next election the new Parliament will decide if we will

:18:56. > :19:00.have a referendum in 2017, not this Parliament. You cannot bind the

:19:00. > :19:07.next Parliament? If this as past as law, the next Parliament will have

:19:07. > :19:12.to vote down, which it can do. It will have to make a proactive

:19:12. > :19:16.exercise to do that. It would set into law that we will have a

:19:16. > :19:21.referendum in 2017. There would have to be further legislation

:19:21. > :19:28.before a referendum. You would have to legislate for the referendum?

:19:28. > :19:31.would have to go further, but it would require a new Parliament to

:19:31. > :19:36.directly the vote down the bill that had been passed. In other

:19:36. > :19:44.words it won't compel a Government to have a referendum in 2017, there

:19:44. > :19:48.would have to be another vote. It would make it difficult for David

:19:48. > :19:53.Cameron, if he were still to be Prime Minister ought for

:19:53. > :20:00.Conservative Government, Labour and the Lib Dems could say, we want

:20:00. > :20:07.another boat. It would be stated that the next Parliament would say

:20:07. > :20:11.they want to change what is done in this Parliament. According to the

:20:11. > :20:15.authorities, it would still require further legislation, if you past

:20:16. > :20:20.this. The next Parliament would have to pass for the legislation?

:20:20. > :20:25.The next Parliament would have to do more, but they would have to

:20:25. > :20:30.underwrite to say they wouldn't do what they wouldn't do what was

:20:30. > :20:34.passed in this Parliament. That implies that unless you have a vote

:20:34. > :20:39.to undo it, it would happen automatically. It won't happen

:20:39. > :20:43.automatically. The Commons authorities have stated, in order

:20:43. > :20:49.for it to happen and to go ahead, there will still have to be

:20:49. > :20:55.legislation? There will have to beat actions taken. They would have

:20:55. > :20:58.to be proactive or reacted to stop it on the basis of the fact we are

:20:58. > :21:02.initiating something in this Parliament. The Conservative Party

:21:02. > :21:08.wants to give the people a say on Europe. It is a clear issue in the

:21:08. > :21:12.country to have an open and frank discussion about Europe. I was born

:21:12. > :21:15.in 1978 and I did not have a vote on Europe. We should look at how

:21:15. > :21:21.Europe should be and in the meantime look at what powers we

:21:21. > :21:27.need to take back. Another issue for the Labour Party is the unions.

:21:27. > :21:31.His United trying to take over your party? No, the Labour Party grew

:21:31. > :21:35.out of the trade union party. I think the Prime Minister needs to

:21:36. > :21:41.be careful when he talks about trade union barons. There are lots

:21:41. > :21:46.of working people across the country who are members of a trade

:21:46. > :21:50.union survey get protection from unfair dismissal. Not many of them

:21:50. > :21:56.are members of the Labour Party, individually. The some of them are.

:21:56. > :22:02.Not many. The percentage of union members compared to the percentage

:22:02. > :22:07.of Labour members is very small. Why have 12 Labour constituencies

:22:07. > :22:12.been in special measures since 2005? This is a fatuous article in

:22:12. > :22:19.the Times, which frankly does not deserve to be on the front page.

:22:19. > :22:23.am not talking about the times. I am not linking anything. I am

:22:23. > :22:29.asking you why, because the Times article, which I am not depending

:22:29. > :22:37.on, because it fudged the timing, why have 12 neighbour

:22:37. > :22:40.constituencies been in special measures since 20 -- 2005. Some of

:22:40. > :22:46.those constituencies go back further than 2005. I know why you

:22:46. > :22:50.are asking this question. There has been a problem in Falkirk. Ed

:22:50. > :22:55.Miliband has been very decisive in putting a stop to what was

:22:55. > :23:00.happening, because there were serious allegations of wrongdoing.

:23:00. > :23:07.I am not asking about Falkirk. We know it is recently into special

:23:07. > :23:10.measures. Special measures mean the constituency party is taken over by

:23:10. > :23:15.the National Party and it is national officials who oversee it.

:23:15. > :23:21.I would like to know the answer why these constituencies you put into

:23:21. > :23:27.special measures into 2005 - knot Falkirk, why are they still in

:23:27. > :23:35.special measures? There were problems in these constituencies.

:23:35. > :23:39.You have had years to sort it out. The party has felt the need to

:23:39. > :23:43.monitor what has happened over time. If we were not doing that, you

:23:43. > :23:51.would be asking why we are not keeping a close eye on it. If you

:23:51. > :23:55.do not know, that is fine. Is it right that a union like United

:23:56. > :24:00.should be able to round up 100 people to join the Labour Party,

:24:00. > :24:07.send the names to the Labour Party with a cheque from the union to pay

:24:07. > :24:14.for their membership, is that right? I think it is wrong. It is a

:24:14. > :24:17.one-member, one-vote. We read introduce that in the 1990s. If you

:24:17. > :24:22.are a member of the Labour Party, you should make a personal

:24:22. > :24:28.commitment. It is a one-member, one-vote in the selections. So you

:24:28. > :24:32.are against it, that is clear. Now, travel to foreign places can

:24:32. > :24:34.often be uncomfortable. There's getting over the language barrier,

:24:34. > :24:37.acclimatising yourself to the weather and adapting to local

:24:37. > :24:40.customs, as the Prime Minister found when he inspected a guard of

:24:40. > :24:44.honour accompanied by a goose- stepping soldier on his trip to

:24:44. > :24:47.Kazakhstan this week. But a good host always tries to make his

:24:47. > :24:57.guests more comfortable, and what better way to make a Brit feel at

:24:57. > :25:01.

:25:01. > :25:06.home than brewing him a nice cup of tea in a Daily Politics mug! There

:25:06. > :25:09.it is, we get every work. If you want to be as hospitable to your

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:25:14. > :25:24.one of our well travelled mugs. We'll remind you how to enter in a

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:27:16. > :27:20.First time I think we have done a year that I was not born.

:27:20. > :27:23.It's coming up to midday here. Just take a look at Big Ben. That can

:27:23. > :27:33.mean only one thing - Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

:27:33. > :27:40.And that's not all, Nick Robinson is here. Do we have moving pictures

:27:40. > :27:49.for the year you were born! You are very brave!

:27:50. > :27:54.You treated this morning -- outwitted. The press charter is

:27:54. > :28:00.going to the Privy Council, but it is not the Government or the

:28:00. > :28:05.opposition's Press Charter, it is the press's pressed charter?

:28:05. > :28:10.Parliament agreed, or the party leaders agreed a common approach

:28:10. > :28:15.for a new Royal charter to establish an organisation like the

:28:15. > :28:21.BBC and other public bodies, to establish a new form of press

:28:21. > :28:25.regulation. We all had to wait for the Privy Council, the advisers to

:28:25. > :28:30.the Queen to sign things off, to actually make this happen. It was

:28:30. > :28:33.supposed to go in May, it did not go. Everybody assumed it would go

:28:33. > :28:42.to the next meeting of the Privy Council, and that his next

:28:42. > :28:46.Wednesday. The victims of press abuse, people like JK Rowling,

:28:46. > :28:51.Madeleine McCann's parents and others, said get on with it. But

:28:51. > :28:55.the charter that will go before the Privy Council next week won't be

:28:55. > :28:59.the one Parliament agreed, not the one the Prime Minister and the

:28:59. > :29:03.Leader of the Opposition and Nick Clegg once, it will be the press's

:29:03. > :29:07.rival proposal. It is not because it is about to become approved and

:29:07. > :29:14.accepted, it is because the lawyers are saying, if you don't go through

:29:14. > :29:18.the proper processes, there will be a massive court case in which the

:29:18. > :29:24.newspapers of it down for many months. Is it the newspapers or the

:29:24. > :29:32.Government that has put forward this charter? There are two rival

:29:32. > :29:39.charters. Who has put forward the press one? It is the press who is

:29:39. > :29:42.doing it? The people who used to run the old regulators. The

:29:42. > :29:47.expectation is the Privy Council won't sign off on this, but the

:29:47. > :29:50.view of the lawyer's, if you are a cynic you might think the

:29:50. > :29:53.Government are playing for time, but it is the advice they are

:29:53. > :30:00.getting. It is not enough for ministers to look at it and say,

:30:00. > :30:03.forget that. But in legal jargon, this is a credible proposal for a

:30:03. > :30:10.Royal charter so must go through every possible stage, even if it is

:30:10. > :30:16.rejected. To prevent the judicial review? The legal challenge would

:30:16. > :30:26.be that it is not a fairly and justly considered. Hacked off will

:30:26. > :30:28.

:30:28. > :30:33.be very hacked off. We had hacked off, we will have really, really

:30:33. > :30:38.hacked off! More than ever before. They have a meeting with the

:30:38. > :30:43.Culture Secretary this afternoon. They are treading carefully because

:30:43. > :30:53.they regard the Culture Secretary as a target. We are now over to

:30:53. > :31:07.

:31:07. > :31:14.the best way to celebrate the 65th birthday of the NHS is for the

:31:14. > :31:19.government to strip out the culture of secrecy, and for patient safety,

:31:19. > :31:23.have health professionals back at the heart of the NHS? The way to

:31:23. > :31:27.celebrate the 65th birthday of the NHS is to go on investing in it like

:31:27. > :31:32.this government is, with an extra �12 billion, but also to be on the

:31:32. > :31:36.side of patients. That is why we are introducing the Chief Inspector of

:31:36. > :31:46.hospitals. We need to end the culture of secrecy and cover-up that

:31:46. > :31:46.

:31:46. > :31:51.we had under Labour. Mr Ed Miliband!

:31:51. > :31:55.I am sure I speak for everyone when I say there is deep concern over

:31:55. > :32:00.what we have witnessed in Egypt, including appalling violence and

:32:00. > :32:05.deaths just one year on from free elections. Might I ask the Prime

:32:05. > :32:10.Minister for assurances that all the appropriate steps are being taken to

:32:10. > :32:16.guarantee the safety of UK nationals in that safety? I can give him that

:32:16. > :32:19.assurance, and also to safeguard our embassy in Cairo. We are advising

:32:19. > :32:23.British National Party against all but essential travel to Egypt,

:32:23. > :32:27.except for the red Sea resorts, as set out on the foreign office

:32:27. > :32:32.website. These are deeply disturbing scenes. The level of violence is

:32:32. > :32:36.appalling. We should appeal to all sides to stop the levels of

:32:36. > :32:41.violence, and particularly the sexual assaults. It is not for this

:32:41. > :32:45.country to support any single group or party. We should support proper,

:32:45. > :32:50.democratic processes and proper government by consent. I agree with

:32:50. > :32:54.him, we all want to see a proper resolution to the present crisis.

:32:55. > :33:00.Can he tell the house what work is being done, even at this late stage,

:33:00. > :33:04.by the UK and the European Union, to encourage the Egyptian government to

:33:04. > :33:11.secure a negotiated political solution to this crisis in advance

:33:11. > :33:20.of today's Egyptian army deadline? Very clear messages have been sent

:33:20. > :33:23.to President Morsi, Obama, who has spoken to him directly. -- very

:33:23. > :33:32.clear messages have been sent to President Morsi, including by

:33:32. > :33:36.President Obama , who has spoken to him directly. The government needs

:33:36. > :33:40.to bring about peace and stability in that country.

:33:40. > :33:45.I am grateful for his answer, and I know that he and the Foreign

:33:45. > :33:49.Secretary will keep the house updated in the coming days. On

:33:49. > :33:55.another subject, the country will need 240,000 extra primary school

:33:55. > :34:00.places by 2014. Can he assure parents that this won't be met by

:34:00. > :34:04.increasing class sizes? I can assure him that we put in

:34:04. > :34:09.place, through the Spending Review, the additional money for 500 errors

:34:09. > :34:17.and extra school places, so we should be able to provide those

:34:18. > :34:21.school places without seeing an increase in classes. But class sizes

:34:21. > :34:25.are rising. When the Labour government came to office, the

:34:25. > :34:31.number of infants taught in class sizes over 30 was a quarter. When we

:34:31. > :34:35.left, it was just 1.8%. It has doubled on his watch. That is the

:34:35. > :34:40.reality for many parents. Under his plans, one third of new schools are

:34:40. > :34:42.being built in areas where there are surplus places. Can he explain to

:34:42. > :34:47.parents in areas where they are struggling to get children into

:34:47. > :34:54.primary schools, why he is building schools where there are already

:34:54. > :34:58.plenty of places? What he left is the biggest budget deficit in

:34:59. > :35:05.Britain's peacetime history. We have had to make difficult decisions,

:35:05. > :35:09.that is why we have cut welfare, but areas of spending. But an education,

:35:09. > :35:16.we have made it a priority, and that is why the money going into schools

:35:16. > :35:19.is going up and not down. That is why we are funding half a million

:35:19. > :35:26.extra school places and why this government has built 200 new school

:35:26. > :35:34.buildings. Now, he asks about new schools going in to different areas.

:35:34. > :35:39.What that is code for is Labour's opposition to free schools. We want

:35:39. > :35:44.more new good schools. Their policy is still the same as John

:35:44. > :35:49.Prescott's. Remember that? The trouble with good schools is that

:35:49. > :35:56.everyone wants to go to them. We want good schools but, as ever, his

:35:56. > :36:05.questions are written by Len McCluskey of Unite.

:36:05. > :36:11.Mr Speaker, as always, this Prime Minister has no answers to the

:36:11. > :36:18.questions he is asked. If he won't answer me, maybe he'll answer David

:36:18. > :36:23.Simons. He is the Conservative spokesman for the Local Government

:36:23. > :36:28.Association. This is what he says. We know of schools that are

:36:28. > :36:33.literally falling down and still have to compete with Rand new-builds

:36:33. > :36:37.down the road. In other words, in areas where there are surplus

:36:37. > :36:41.places. Isn't the truth that while he is pouring millions of pounds

:36:41. > :36:47.into building new schools where there are already places, the only

:36:47. > :36:53.way he will meet the shortage in other areas is teaching kids in

:36:53. > :36:55.Portakabins and increasing class sizes? The last Labour government

:36:55. > :37:02.cut primary school places. Let me tell him what his government is

:37:02. > :37:07.doing. The education capital budget is �21 billion over the next six

:37:07. > :37:12.years. That is what we are doing. What is so interesting is that he is

:37:12. > :37:16.taking his script from the trade unions, who don't like choice, they

:37:16. > :37:21.don't like new schools, they don't like free schools. They want to

:37:21. > :37:25.control everything. What we know is one organisation they have got

:37:25. > :37:34.control. We see it in black and white - they have taken control of

:37:34. > :37:44.the Labour. Mr Speaker, I am speaking for

:37:44. > :37:46.

:37:46. > :37:48.parents up and down this country. The usual very low grade, very

:37:48. > :37:54.substandard, very unnecessary heckling. If the question that mad

:37:54. > :37:58.recession has two run longer, it will. Let's try to retain some

:37:58. > :38:05.decorum which the public can respect.

:38:05. > :38:09.And let's have a debate about ethics. He gave a tax cut to his

:38:09. > :38:16.Christmas card list, he brought Andy Coulson into the heart of Downing

:38:16. > :38:18.Street. The idea that he is lecturing us about ethics takes a

:38:18. > :38:26.double standards to a whole new level.

:38:26. > :38:31.Now, in this one policy on schools, we see the hallmark of this

:38:31. > :38:36.government. They make the wrong choices on tax and spending. The

:38:36. > :38:41.millionaires tax cuts, the top-down we organisation of the NHS and

:38:41. > :38:47.schools in areas with surplus places. All the time, they repeat

:38:47. > :38:51.the meaningless mantra, we all this together.

:38:51. > :38:55.He goes up and down the country speaking for Len McCluskey. No

:38:55. > :39:01.wonder the former Home Secretary calls them the party of the

:39:01. > :39:06.graveyard. The fact is, I have got it here, I have got the press

:39:06. > :39:11.release, how Unite plans to change the Labour Party. I know you are

:39:11. > :39:16.paid to shout by Unite, but calmed down a bit! This is what it says. We

:39:16. > :39:23.give millions to the party. The relationship has to change. We want

:39:24. > :39:27.a firm E class -based and left-wing general election campaign. He is too

:39:27. > :39:33.weak to sack his Health Secretary, to stand up for free schools, to

:39:33. > :39:43.stand up to the Unite union, too weak to run Labour and certainly too

:39:43. > :39:51.

:39:51. > :39:56.New rules mean my constituents have to register individually if they

:39:56. > :40:01.want to vote to stop electoral fraud. Does he think the same rules

:40:01. > :40:06.should apply to joining a political party? I think she is absolutely

:40:06. > :40:11.right. Individual voter registration is a major step forward. Frankly, we

:40:11. > :40:14.have a situation where we have one of our political parties where it

:40:14. > :40:20.has become apparent that votes are being bought, people are being

:40:20. > :40:30.signed up without consent, all done by the man, let McCluskey, who gave

:40:30. > :40:34.

:40:34. > :40:37.him his job. Demand for food banks is 30,000

:40:37. > :40:43.households -- was 30,000 households in media before the general

:40:43. > :40:46.election, 350,000 households last year. Will the Prime Minister

:40:46. > :40:52.acknowledged that rocketing demand for food bank shows we have a

:40:52. > :40:58.problem? I am sure as a member of Unite, he will want to look very

:40:58. > :41:03.carefully at his own constituency Labour Party. Who knows how many

:41:03. > :41:08.people they have bought and put on the register? Food bank use went up

:41:08. > :41:13.ten times under Labour. That is what happened. This government is helping

:41:13. > :41:17.working people by freezing the council tax, giving 24 million

:41:17. > :41:25.people a tax cut and taking 2.4 million of the poorest people out of

:41:25. > :41:29.tax. The Prime Minister will be aware of the recent terrible

:41:29. > :41:35.stabbings in my Shipley constituted which led to the death of an

:41:35. > :41:38.84-year-old woman and a serious injury to a nine-year old boy

:41:38. > :41:43.playing in the park. Will he join me in praising the police for the

:41:43. > :41:46.swiftness of making arrests in this particular case, but also in

:41:46. > :41:50.supporting the local community and congratulating them on their

:41:50. > :41:57.steadfastness and community spirit, which has helped this community get

:41:57. > :42:00.through a very, very traumatic period? I certainly join the

:42:00. > :42:04.honourable member. These were truly shocking events and reading about

:42:04. > :42:08.them, particularly the young boy who staggered out of the park bleeding,

:42:08. > :42:12.having been stabbed, and reading about the grandmother described as

:42:12. > :42:17.so much of a community member that they were seen as everybody's

:42:17. > :42:20.grandmother is truly disturbing. I join him in his praise, and we must

:42:20. > :42:27.make sure that justice is to. The government has promised that by

:42:27. > :42:33.2016, no one will have to pay more than �72,000 towards the cost of

:42:33. > :42:36.that personal care. I don't know whether he has read an article in

:42:36. > :42:40.the Financial Times on Saturday which says that the cap will not be

:42:40. > :42:44.an actual costs, but eligible costs. They will not include the

:42:44. > :42:48.cost of people meeting moderate care needs, nor all the costs incurred in

:42:48. > :42:51.going into a private residential home. Isn't this another example of

:42:51. > :42:57.him promising to do one thing and planning something completely

:42:57. > :43:00.different? We are introducing what was debated

:43:00. > :43:06.and discussed in this house in terms of those cost that will be covered,

:43:06. > :43:10.and those that will not. The party opposite had 13 years to cap the

:43:10. > :43:16.cost of care, to do something about the rising cost of social care, and

:43:16. > :43:20.did precisely nothing. May I congratulate the government on

:43:20. > :43:26.achieving political agreement for the next round of reform? That might

:43:26. > :43:30.I make a plea, that proper time be taken to agreed implementation, to

:43:30. > :43:34.ensure a level playing field and a fair deal for Britain and our

:43:34. > :43:38.farmers? The honourable lady is right. We

:43:38. > :43:43.have a good deal over the common agricultural policy. We need to

:43:43. > :43:47.listen to farmers about concerns so they are not disadvantaged as

:43:47. > :43:51.against other countries, and we need to take time to introduce the new

:43:51. > :43:55.system. When the last system, in terms of the single farm payments,

:43:55. > :44:01.was introduced so quickly, we suffered large fines from Europe as

:44:01. > :44:06.a result. She is extremely wise. Minister aware of the rather

:44:06. > :44:10.disturbing commitment, which was given yesterday by his Chancellor,

:44:10. > :44:16.that he will continue to interfere and intervene in the affairs of the

:44:16. > :44:24.Royal Bank of Scotland on behalf of the taxpayer? Is he aware that in

:44:24. > :44:29.his last intervention the completely irresponsible behaviour has cost the

:44:29. > :44:33.British taxpayer �4.5 billion in the loss of value of the shareholding.

:44:33. > :44:40.Pity instructors Chancellor to desist from any such intervention in

:44:40. > :44:48.the future? -- could he instructed his Chancellor to desist?

:44:48. > :44:52.I know he has experience of lending money!

:44:52. > :44:55.It is very important that the government stands up for the

:44:55. > :45:00.taxpayer and makes sure that the Royal Bank of Scotland has the right

:45:00. > :45:10.strategy and leadership going ahead so that they get the money put by

:45:10. > :45:13.

:45:13. > :45:19.the last government into the banks Two days ago saw the start of

:45:19. > :45:24.independent retailer month. Does he agree we need to do more to keep

:45:24. > :45:30.independent shops vital question marks on this issue I agree with

:45:30. > :45:35.the honourable gentleman. He speaks for a lot of Britain, and that is a

:45:35. > :45:39.we should be looking at our town centres, looking after what we can

:45:39. > :45:43.do to back our town centres. We should be looking at the rate

:45:43. > :45:48.system and how it works. We should also be looking at a planning

:45:48. > :45:52.system and how we can use change of use and we should work with local

:45:52. > :46:01.authorities who want to see the town centres succeed. It is a vital

:46:01. > :46:05.issue for towns of and down our country and it has our full backing.

:46:05. > :46:10.I enjoyed my recent visit to the Nissan factory in Sunderland for

:46:10. > :46:15.the first of the mass market electric vehicle which will support

:46:15. > :46:20.over 500 jobs at the plant and 200 across the car industry. I look

:46:20. > :46:24.forward to visiting the North East again soon. When the Prime Minister

:46:24. > :46:29.next visit the region he will seek the key issue facing the region is

:46:29. > :46:33.unemployment. There are over 20 applicants for every advertised

:46:33. > :46:38.vacancy and his policy of local enterprise partnerships and

:46:38. > :46:44.enterprise zones is not making the same effective impact on the

:46:44. > :46:47.region's economy as the development agency did. Will he consider the

:46:47. > :46:50.appointment of a minister to work with the local enterprise

:46:50. > :46:56.partnerships and the individual members of Parliament for the

:46:56. > :47:01.region, to push forward the private sector employment agenda? Ministers

:47:01. > :47:05.do work with the enterprise zones. Let me give him the figures.

:47:05. > :47:10.Obviously we want to see more, but employment in the North East is up

:47:10. > :47:15.by 9,000 since the election. The North East private sector jobs are

:47:15. > :47:19.up 37,000. It is not just the success at Nissan, we have Hitachi

:47:19. > :47:25.committed to building the new train building plant in County Durham.

:47:25. > :47:30.That will bring 700 jobs. We have the new tunnel which opened in 2011,

:47:30. > :47:34.extra money going into the Tyne and Wear Metro. All of those things can

:47:34. > :47:41.make a difference. And in his own constituency, the youth claimant

:47:41. > :47:46.count has fallen by 4% over the last year. Will the Prime Minister

:47:46. > :47:48.take the opportunity on his next visit to promote apprenticeships

:47:48. > :47:53.and the support Government is giving to them among North East

:47:53. > :47:59.businesses, and will he pressed the Ministry of Transport to get on

:47:59. > :48:03.with the job of doing it? The last time I was in the north-east I made

:48:03. > :48:07.a speech about apprenticeships. It is remarkable the number of people

:48:07. > :48:12.who started apprenticeships under this Government. I can tell him in

:48:12. > :48:17.terms of the transport issue he raises, is actually we are funding

:48:17. > :48:23.feasibility studies into fixing problems on the road north of

:48:23. > :48:26.Newcastle to Scotland, and the Newcastle Gateshead bypass. We are

:48:26. > :48:30.improving the a 19 between Newcastle and South Shields. This

:48:30. > :48:34.is a much better record than the party opposite, even though they

:48:34. > :48:40.had a Prime Minister who came from the north-east. They never did what

:48:40. > :48:45.we are proposing. Given the Prime Minister is so keen to talk about

:48:45. > :48:51.infrastructure investments, can he explain why his Government has cut

:48:52. > :48:56.capital investment again in 2015, 16 by nearly �1 billion? I have to

:48:56. > :48:59.say to the honourable lady, she is wrong. If she looks at the figures

:48:59. > :49:04.and take the plan as a Labour had for this Parliament, we have added

:49:04. > :49:09.to those plans. We have increased the amount of capital spending. But

:49:09. > :49:13.if you come to this House and you oppose changes on welfare, you

:49:13. > :49:16.oppose cuts to Government programmes, you oppose the of this

:49:16. > :49:21.and she changes it you are making, they have not supported a single

:49:21. > :49:25.cut. It you do all of those things, there is no way you would have any

:49:25. > :49:29.capital spending at all. That is the problem with the weakness from

:49:29. > :49:32.the Labour front bench, because they have not taken any tough

:49:32. > :49:38.decisions they cannot support the capital spenders To this country

:49:38. > :49:42.needs. Can the Prime Minister confirm reports from Jordan a new

:49:42. > :49:50.treaty has been signed and this country could have the pleasure of

:49:50. > :49:54.seeing the back off Abu Qatada this week? I can confirm this treaty has

:49:54. > :49:58.taken through both the Jordanian Parliament and also our own. I

:49:58. > :50:03.don't want to say anything that in any way could stop what we all want

:50:03. > :50:06.to happen, happening. When the Government tried to go workers to

:50:06. > :50:13.exchange their rights for shares, we were told 6,000 businesses would

:50:13. > :50:19.sign up. In the event only six have shown an interest. Not 600 or 60,

:50:19. > :50:23.but six, what went wrong? programme has not started yet. It

:50:23. > :50:28.starts in September. It is a programme that has been praised by

:50:28. > :50:33.the Institute of Directors, praised by the CBI, praised by the

:50:33. > :50:36.Federation of Small Businesses. Of course it has not been praised by

:50:36. > :50:43.of the United unions. He is a member of the unite unions so he

:50:43. > :50:53.has to stick to their script. What a sad day for democracy. Question

:50:53. > :50:56.

:50:56. > :51:02.Number Ten. I very much for, I look forward to visiting Bury and I

:51:02. > :51:09.always take special time to look at the statue of Sir Robert Peel.

:51:09. > :51:14.Whenever the Prime Minister does find time to sample the delights of

:51:14. > :51:19.a Bury, Ramsbottom and Tottington again, will he join me in meeting

:51:19. > :51:26.some of the hundreds of local small businesses and charities who will

:51:26. > :51:30.be �2,000 a year better off from next April, because of the new

:51:30. > :51:33.employment allowance which will cost employers and National

:51:33. > :51:38.Insurance contributions, giving them an incentive to create genuine

:51:38. > :51:43.new jobs? I think my honourable friend is absolutely right. You can

:51:43. > :51:47.walk down any high street in any town in Britain and point out to

:51:48. > :51:51.shopkeepers and businesses, if they do employ people they will see a

:51:51. > :51:56.�2,000 reduction in their National Insurance bill. If they don't

:51:56. > :52:00.employed people, they can take people on and not pay National

:52:00. > :52:05.Insurance. It is only possible because of the tough decisions this

:52:05. > :52:09.Government has taken on spending and welfare. It was never backed by

:52:09. > :52:13.the party opposite but it demonstrate we are on the side of

:52:13. > :52:17.people who want to get on. Prime Minister's deputy party

:52:17. > :52:21.leader in Scotland is describing the UK Government's scaremongering

:52:21. > :52:26.about independence as silly, whilst one of his key donors in Scotland

:52:26. > :52:33.is describing it as puerile, and a leading commentator says it is

:52:33. > :52:38.tripe. Given the Prime Minister is in charge of UK For -- fear for the

:52:38. > :52:44.UK Government, will he ditched this tripe? I was asked this question

:52:44. > :52:47.yesterday. I will give a different but similar answer, which is if you

:52:47. > :52:52.look at the information being produced by this Government on what

:52:52. > :52:58.would happen in terms of Scottish independence, I think it is

:52:58. > :53:02.impartial, extremely powerful and sensible. The fact is, the Scottish

:53:02. > :53:06.nationalists are using the argument. They are losing the arguments on

:53:06. > :53:11.jobs, losing the argument on the economy and losing the argument on

:53:11. > :53:19.the influence Scotland will have on the world. Bring on the arguments,

:53:19. > :53:23.because you are losing the battle. We have raised over �10,000 for

:53:23. > :53:28.local and a underprivileged children's. I'm sure the Prime

:53:28. > :53:32.Minister will join me in praising these local voluntary clubs in the

:53:32. > :53:41.community. It is in stark contrast to the kind of institution we tried

:53:41. > :53:45.to block via political influence... My honourable friend is right. It

:53:45. > :53:49.is an honour I am an honorary member of my local Rotary Club.

:53:49. > :53:53.They are unimportant part of the big society, they do an excellent

:53:53. > :54:01.job and they don't go round hoovering up members by making

:54:01. > :54:05.single payments from trade unions in order to buy influence. In March,

:54:05. > :54:09.the climate change minister said, I wouldn't be sleeping if we did not

:54:09. > :54:13.have 10,000 signed up to the green deal by the end of the year. Given

:54:13. > :54:23.that only four households have signed on the dotted line, is that

:54:23. > :54:24.

:54:24. > :54:29.Len McClusky is false as well? -- fault. He is wrong about the

:54:29. > :54:37.figures for stomp of 37,000 households have had assessments and

:54:37. > :54:40.over 5,000 have had their boy has changed. Of course, I sorry I

:54:40. > :54:46.missed out the honourable member have received sponsorship from the

:54:46. > :54:50.unite Union. Oh you don't! I suspect he ought to go through his

:54:50. > :54:55.constituency Records, checked the members are still alive, that it

:54:55. > :54:59.might be a good start. The Prime Minister has won much praise for

:54:59. > :55:04.his work on dealing with tax avoidance, but some people have

:55:04. > :55:08.called him hypocritical, what does he say to that? What is

:55:08. > :55:12.hypocritical is to take donations from a donor in the form of shares

:55:12. > :55:16.in order to avoid taxes. That is what the Labour Party has done.

:55:16. > :55:23.They should pay back the �700,000 to the taxpayer and that money

:55:23. > :55:26.should be going towards schools and hospitals. That is Labour's shame.

:55:26. > :55:31.Can the Prime Minister confirmed the laces work programme figures

:55:31. > :55:36.show it is missing every single one of its minimum performance

:55:36. > :55:43.standards? The honourable lady is asking about the work programme.

:55:43. > :55:47.The fact is it has 312,000 people into work. 60% of the people going

:55:47. > :55:51.into the work programme are coming off benefits and while the unite

:55:51. > :55:56.Union and the members opposite might not want to hear this, and

:55:56. > :56:03.while it might not be part of Len McClusky's script, this programme

:56:03. > :56:10.is twice as good as the flexible New Deal. As a doctor who once had

:56:10. > :56:14.to listen incredulously to a patient at explain via a translator

:56:14. > :56:19.or that she only discovered she was nine months pregnant on arrival at

:56:19. > :56:23.Heathrow Airport, I was pleased to hear the statement on health

:56:23. > :56:28.tourism today. Does the Prime Minister agreed that although

:56:28. > :56:31.savings are modest, the principal matters. The health service should

:56:31. > :56:36.be national and not international? I think my honourable friend makes

:56:36. > :56:40.an important point. It is a National Health Service and not

:56:40. > :56:45.internationals. British families pay around �5,000 in year in taxes

:56:45. > :56:48.to pay for the NHS. It is bright but those who don't have a right to

:56:48. > :56:55.use the NHS gets properly charged for it. We have made this

:56:55. > :57:02.announcement and I hope there will be all-party support for it, but

:57:02. > :57:06.Labour's health minister has condemned it as xenophobic.

:57:06. > :57:11.bedroom tax is turning into a disaster in constituencies like

:57:11. > :57:16.mine. Families are moving out of good quality, social housing and

:57:16. > :57:21.into the private rented sector at a cost to the taxpayer. Three and

:57:21. > :57:24.four-bedroom houses are standing empty and classed as hard to let.

:57:24. > :57:30.We have pensioners approaching me saying they want to downside but

:57:30. > :57:35.they can't because priorities go to families. Is this not turning into

:57:35. > :57:38.a disaster for the taxpayer? What this is his first for the taxpayer.

:57:39. > :57:43.We don't give a spare room subsidy for people in private sector

:57:43. > :57:48.accommodation, so we shouldn't give a spare room subsidy for people in

:57:48. > :57:54.council accommodation. The question now is for the party opposite. We

:57:54. > :57:58.have decided to remove the spare room subsidy, they now say they

:57:58. > :58:03.support of spending changes. Is that still the case or are they

:58:03. > :58:07.committed to repealing this? Absolutely no answer. The shocking

:58:07. > :58:11.abuse that was revealed in Winterbourne view and by operation

:58:11. > :58:15.Jasmin in Wales has revealed a gap in the law which means that whilst

:58:15. > :58:19.the staff get prosecuted, the organisations are never corporate

:58:19. > :58:23.LEA accountable. Will a Prime Minister meet with me and a small

:58:24. > :58:28.delegation to discuss how we can plug this gap in the law and ensure

:58:28. > :58:32.there is proper accountability for abuse and neglect? I am happy to

:58:32. > :58:36.meet with him about this issue because it is important. In the

:58:36. > :58:39.Francis report there were a number of recommendations about duties of

:58:40. > :58:45.care and the duty of candour we need to put in place. I am keen to

:58:45. > :58:49.make sure we get this done. Royal charter approved by this

:58:49. > :58:53.House, still not been sent to the Privy Council when it should have

:58:53. > :58:58.been in May. Will he assured his house and the victims that he won't

:58:58. > :59:02.do a deal with certain newspapers to further watered down the

:59:02. > :59:07.recommendations? What I will save to the right honourable gentleman,

:59:07. > :59:10.we have to follow the correct legal processes. The legal advice we have

:59:10. > :59:14.shared with the Leader of the Opposition is we have to take these

:59:14. > :59:18.things in order. We have to take the press Royal charter proposal

:59:18. > :59:23.first, then we have to bring forward the Royal Charter of which

:59:23. > :59:33.we have all agreed. The press's Royal Charter has some serious

:59:33. > :59:33.

:59:33. > :59:39.shortcomings, so I have not changed my view. Mr Speaker...

:59:39. > :59:49.gentleman wanted to be called, I have called him. I am most grateful,

:59:49. > :59:53.

:59:53. > :59:59.Mr Speaker. Given a selection of Parliamentary candidates is a

:59:59. > :00:02.legitimate concern of this House, will have Prime Minister agree with

:00:02. > :00:08.me that the voting irregularities in the Falkirk constituency should

:00:08. > :00:14.be looked at as a matter of urgency? Order, order. The question

:00:14. > :00:20.is about apart the matter, not Government responsibility. Not a

:00:20. > :00:26.matter for the Prime Minister. A complete waste of time. Mr Peter

:00:26. > :00:30.Bone. Mr Speaker, the all-party group against human trafficking has

:00:30. > :00:36.raised the awareness of modern-day slavery to a greater level. I am

:00:36. > :00:40.delighted to report last night, 150 members of this House and the other

:00:40. > :00:45.house, attended the AGM. It is a credit to the Prime Minister's

:00:45. > :00:51.personal commitment to this. Would he consider, and perhaps in the

:00:51. > :00:54.next Queen's Speech having a modern slavery Act? I pay tribute to the

:00:54. > :00:59.honourable member for the consistent work he has done on this

:00:59. > :01:02.vital issues. It is important we wipe out a modern-day slavery and I

:01:02. > :01:07.enjoyed going to meet with him and other members, in the House of

:01:08. > :01:10.Commons, in order to see just how bad the situation is. We are

:01:10. > :01:16.looking at legislative options and I will be chairing a committee

:01:16. > :01:20.across Government to look at what more could be done. Glenda Jackson.

:01:20. > :01:26.One of my constituents and her three-year-old child have become

:01:26. > :01:30.homeless fleeing the most heinous domestic violence. And now, despite

:01:30. > :01:35.a legally living and working in this country for four years,

:01:35. > :01:38.immigration technicality has made them destitute. Will the Prime

:01:38. > :01:42.Minister please examine this legislation and its possibly

:01:42. > :01:48.unintended consequences, so in future no woman and her child may

:01:48. > :01:51.suffer a double abuse? I am happy to look at the individual case the

:01:51. > :01:57.honourable lady raises. It is linked to the last question about

:01:57. > :02:01.modern-day slavery, were sometimes immigration rules have caused

:02:01. > :02:11.slavery -- difficulty for those who want to flee the people keeping

:02:11. > :02:11.

:02:11. > :03:03.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 81 seconds

:03:03. > :03:09.Inspectors were told not to serve his problems because it was

:03:09. > :03:19.embarrassing for the Government. Was it his conception when he set

:03:19. > :03:54.

:03:54. > :04:04.Labour members took over. A pretty lively Prime Minister's

:04:04. > :04:05.

:04:05. > :04:11.Questions come to an end. Ed Miliband asked about Egypt, it did

:04:11. > :04:16.not get us very far, but at least he did it. He then moved on to schools,

:04:16. > :04:21.drawing a contrast between the areas of the country short of primary

:04:21. > :04:26.school places than those which had 20 but were still adding the

:04:26. > :04:29.government support for free schools to these areas. -- those which had

:04:30. > :04:34.plenty. There were about eight mentions of Len McCluskey from the

:04:34. > :04:39.Prime Minister. That was interesting, he is not an MP, he is

:04:39. > :04:44.leader of the Unite union. But Mr Cameron has been reading his focus

:04:44. > :04:49.groups and he thinks this plays rather well. He managed to shoo

:04:49. > :04:53.homeland McCluskey into virtually every answer. The Speaker got upset

:04:53. > :04:57.because many of the questions were not about government policy or the

:04:57. > :05:02.Prime Minister. -- he managed to shoehorn Len McCluskey into

:05:02. > :05:06.virtually every answer. Michael Murray, an e-mail, said,

:05:07. > :05:12.will Mr Cameron ever give direct answers to direct questions? If he

:05:12. > :05:16.does not know the answers, why is he Prime Minister? Jeffrey says that Ed

:05:16. > :05:22.Miliband has showed why he cannot be trusted - opposing choice, freedom

:05:22. > :05:26.and free schools. One viewer said, surely it is time the Prime Minister

:05:26. > :05:31.thought about his constant vilifying of the trade unions. It is not

:05:31. > :05:37.right. Ian Whiteley says that he started of statesmanlike over Egypt,

:05:37. > :05:41.then it descended into a slanging match. Dave got in plenty of digs

:05:41. > :05:47.overland McCluskey and Unite but Ed skewered him up -- about bringing in

:05:47. > :05:50.Andy Coulston. Mr Winston says, the Prime Minister certainly hammered Ed

:05:50. > :05:56.Miliband and it is clear there is growing confidence on the Tory

:05:56. > :06:01.backbenchers, but Martin said that the preplanned mantra about Labour

:06:01. > :06:04.being controlled by the unions is hypocritical, taking early when you

:06:04. > :06:09.consider David Cameron taking the side of the press barons during the

:06:09. > :06:13.Leveson Inquiry and the influence of big business. Crispin in

:06:13. > :06:16.Chesterfield says that David Cameron keeps banging on about the unions,

:06:16. > :06:22.but who is pulling his strings when it comes to delaying new press

:06:22. > :06:25.regulation? He came out saying he did not like

:06:25. > :06:30.the press charter, which was interesting. Am I right in thinking

:06:30. > :06:35.that those around Mr Cameron in the Government at the moment and his

:06:35. > :06:39.political strategists think that Labour are on the defensive? They

:06:40. > :06:43.are on a roll. There is something striking happening, which you can

:06:43. > :06:47.see in Prime Minister's Question Time. Week after week, the Tory

:06:47. > :06:53.awkward squad, will to want to get rid of David Cameron, they were

:06:53. > :06:57.awkward in public, they would attack on it like or him. Now, two or three

:06:57. > :07:03.of him lobbed him a soft ball so that he could attack Labour and the

:07:03. > :07:10.trade unions. There are two separate things going on. Tory strategists

:07:10. > :07:14.believe that on the issue of the Unite union's influence, they can

:07:14. > :07:21.portray Ed Miliband as weak. The speaker would have pulled up at some

:07:21. > :07:24.months ago. He would have said, you are not supposed to ask questions in

:07:24. > :07:28.opposition, you are not supposed to this for partisan propaganda. Yet

:07:28. > :07:31.the Speaker let him get away with it. The second thing going on is a

:07:31. > :07:38.sense that the Tory family is briefly, at least, coming together.

:07:38. > :07:41.That is partly due to the Europe bill coming up later this week. On

:07:41. > :07:46.Friday, they can vote on the referendum. One thing I can tell

:07:46. > :07:50.you, which I don't think has been out there yet, is the Prime Minister

:07:50. > :07:55.is inviting you. Have you had your invite? He will have a barbecue for

:07:55. > :07:59.every current dividend MP inside Downing Street. There will be a

:07:59. > :08:02.family photo for every Conservative MP on the green bench of Downing

:08:02. > :08:07.Street. And a special meeting with the Prime Minister and strategists.

:08:07. > :08:14.In other words, they are using this bill to get everybody to Westminster

:08:14. > :08:21.and pull together, have a festival, a Tory party party! There will be a

:08:21. > :08:25.photograph on the green benches. Sounds like party management to me.

:08:25. > :08:31.So what? You might say. Forgive me if I have said this before, people

:08:31. > :08:35.forget that politics is a tribal sport, a team game. Whether morale

:08:35. > :08:43.is good or bad does not secure you an election, but, rightly or

:08:43. > :08:49.wrongly, Tory morale is high. that? If the recovery is under way,

:08:49. > :08:55.it is barely perceptible among most voters. The coalition has not been

:08:55. > :09:00.the happiest of parties in recent months or years. Why is Labour

:09:00. > :09:06.feeling on the defensive and the Tories have a spring in their step?

:09:06. > :09:10.I don't feel we are on the defensive. I think the tale about

:09:10. > :09:13.the barbecue on Friday night tells us what is really behind Friday 's

:09:13. > :09:19.European debate, and that is the Prime Minister trying to manage his

:09:19. > :09:23.own party. All prime ministers do that. Two it is an occasion for him

:09:23. > :09:28.to say that the Lib Dems are against this and we are for it, it is an

:09:28. > :09:32.occasion for him to try to unite his party around that one issue. On the

:09:32. > :09:37.substance of whether we should be in or out of Europe, there are deep

:09:37. > :09:41.divisions within the Tory party. I think it is a convenient device for

:09:41. > :09:50.him on Friday to try to unite his party. How long it will last, I

:09:50. > :09:56.don't know. We have been consistently ahead in the polls

:09:56. > :10:01.since the disastrous Budget of last year. White bag not by much. Now we

:10:01. > :10:04.have fixed term Parliaments, which I am in favour of, because I think it

:10:04. > :10:09.was a farce when there was always a question of, will the Prime Minister

:10:09. > :10:15.call an election or not? We have started the process of setting out

:10:15. > :10:20.our alternative, but we are doing it in a thoughtful and considered way.

:10:20. > :10:26.I think we are on the front foot. At the start of June, we had a very

:10:26. > :10:31.strong start to the Parliamentary session with speeches by Ed Balls

:10:31. > :10:37.and Ed Miliband. The latest polls have shown that your leaders down to

:10:37. > :10:45.5%. At this stage in the run-up to the 1997 election, you were points

:10:45. > :10:49.ahead. It was a very different time. Yes, Labour was well ahead!

:10:49. > :10:53.there was also an unpopular Conservative Government of many

:10:53. > :11:03.years. The Conservatives did not get the majority at the last election,

:11:03. > :11:03.

:11:03. > :11:06.obviously we. Did not win either, so we are at a much closer pegging.

:11:06. > :11:12.Aren't they overplaying Len McCluskey? He mentioned him eight

:11:12. > :11:16.times, he drags him in. If you asked him about the weather, he would

:11:16. > :11:24.probably blame it, and also the bedroom tax, an Unite. Despite all

:11:24. > :11:27.the bankrolling of Labour, Len McCluskey and his union have been

:11:27. > :11:35.remarkably unsuccessful in getting their candidates chosen. That is the

:11:35. > :11:39.real story in the Labour Party. not sure that is true. I was elected

:11:39. > :11:49.by an open primary, and I find it deeply distasteful, and other unions

:11:49. > :11:50.

:11:50. > :11:54.find this as well, that unions can be selecting Labour MPs. How many

:11:54. > :12:01.prospective candidates has Unite forced onto a Labour constituency?

:12:01. > :12:06.Two there was an example in Falkirk. But they did not win. And in

:12:06. > :12:11.Brighton a candidate strongly backed by the unions was selected.

:12:11. > :12:17.issue is how many are they on a roll? How many have Unite forced

:12:17. > :12:23.onto a Labour constituency? There is a clear trend that those candidate

:12:23. > :12:26.strongly backed by the unions tended to win, sometimes regardless of what

:12:26. > :12:31.is independent commentators thought of their performance. There is not

:12:31. > :12:39.evidence for that. I have been through an open Labour Party

:12:39. > :12:43.selection, I was the only woman on a shortlist of eight. There was a

:12:43. > :12:47.heavily union backed candidate and I beat them. Obviously there are trade

:12:47. > :12:52.union members in my own membership who sometimes favour the trade union

:12:52. > :12:55.backed candidate, and sometimes do not. But there are some people in Ed

:12:55. > :13:01.Miliband's own frontbench who are publicly expressing their run

:13:01. > :13:06.happiness. Jim Murphy said they, meaning Unite, can't bully and get

:13:06. > :13:10.their way within the Labour Party. There is a row taking place in

:13:10. > :13:14.private that has basically emerged in public. If you are political

:13:14. > :13:20.party, that is a gift when your opponents do that, when they row

:13:20. > :13:24.with each other. In my role as health minister I engage with the

:13:24. > :13:31.unions, and there is clearly disquiet from the unions about the

:13:31. > :13:37.strength and power of Unite in the Labour Party. What are the unions?

:13:37. > :13:44.When you see that, for example, Unison, which is more moderate, I

:13:44. > :13:50.believe, than Unite, have much less they say. The Labour Party as a

:13:50. > :13:55.party has traditionally had brought union backing. But now one union is

:13:55. > :14:00.beginning to buy votes in the process. Unison have complained

:14:00. > :14:03.about Unite being too powerful? I would not say they have direct

:14:03. > :14:13.complained, but you can pick up background disquiet from union

:14:13. > :14:17.

:14:17. > :14:20.members. Tom Watson, a key figure in your party, a big union man. Has he

:14:20. > :14:25.got too much power when it comes to choosing candidates? Tom Watson is

:14:25. > :14:30.in the position he is in because he is a tremendous campaign in his own

:14:30. > :14:37.constituency. We are both in the Black Country. Has he too much

:14:37. > :14:41.power? In the 1990s, we introduced one member, one vote. We will do all

:14:41. > :14:47.we can to make sure that this is fair and transparent. I am

:14:47. > :14:51.determined, as a Labour MP, that the people up for election in 2015 have

:14:52. > :14:55.had the backing of their local party. It is really important that

:14:55. > :14:59.that happens. Ed Miliband has been very decisive when it came to

:15:00. > :15:04.Falkirk. The party stepped in and stop the process, froze the

:15:04. > :15:09.membership so that only members who joined from March of last year were

:15:09. > :15:16.eligible, and so we're getting a grip on the problems in Falkirk.

:15:16. > :15:22.Nick, a final word? We did not speak about primary school places, earlier

:15:22. > :15:26.this week, an all-party Commons committee said that over 250,000

:15:26. > :15:29.school places were needed by September 2014, and there was a

:15:29. > :15:34.danger that music rooms and libraries would be replaced by unit

:15:34. > :15:37.of the classrooms. Although it did not feel like it was Ed Miliband's

:15:37. > :15:41.day, I think the Labour leader has invested in a story he thinks would

:15:41. > :15:45.fit in with people 's life experiences in the next few months

:15:46. > :15:52.and weeks to say, when your child is in an overcrowded classroom or does

:15:52. > :15:59.not have a classroom, here is why. And all the places are to be

:15:59. > :16:02.available for September, when the school goes back. Thank you.

:16:03. > :16:06.Now, we could, if we wanted to, head to the supermarket at three o'clock

:16:07. > :16:09.on a Sunday afternoon. But could we get an appointment to see our GP

:16:09. > :16:12.then, or have a routine NHS operation on our knee? Probably not.

:16:13. > :16:16.But all this could be about to change under plans by Health

:16:16. > :16:18.Secretary Jeremy Hunt to make care in NHS England truly 24/7. In fact,

:16:18. > :16:21.data shows that mortality rates actually increase during

:16:21. > :16:25.out-of-hours provision. But doctors say the proposals won't work in a

:16:25. > :16:35.service already overstretched. Former doctor and author of NHS SOS

:16:35. > :16:56.

:16:56. > :17:00.I was a hospital doctor of the 37 years. I advise the Government on

:17:00. > :17:10.the care of elderly people. Nothing would appease me more than being

:17:10. > :17:10.

:17:10. > :17:14.able to offer comprehensive care in the NHS, 247. Surgeries will be

:17:14. > :17:19.open seven days a week so patients could see their doctors without

:17:19. > :17:23.missing work. In NHS hospitals, the care on a Sunday night would be

:17:23. > :17:28.just as good as the care on a Wednesday morning. It wouldn't only

:17:28. > :17:32.be patient centred, but staff centred. It would make it easy to

:17:32. > :17:37.deliver promptly and safely, everything we want for our patients.

:17:37. > :17:47.But it would be irresponsible to support Jeremy Hunt's call for a

:17:47. > :17:53.

:17:53. > :17:58.247 Tesco style service at present. Why? The NHS is facing �20 billion

:17:58. > :18:05.worth of cuts, massive staff reductions, closure of A&E and

:18:05. > :18:09.closure of some hospitals. All of this in the context of the most

:18:09. > :18:14.disruptive reorganisation in its history. No wonder services are

:18:14. > :18:19.overstretched. Worse still, resources will become more scarce

:18:19. > :18:29.as Government plans for re privatisation unfolds. There will

:18:29. > :18:33.be tendering process has overseen by lawyers, and money diverted into

:18:33. > :18:38.profits for multi- millionaire entrepreneurs. Any extension of

:18:38. > :18:43.services, some think the vast majority of doctors support, will

:18:43. > :18:47.mean endangering what is currently on offer. In other words, upgrading

:18:47. > :18:57.services at the weekend may mean downgrading services during the

:18:57. > :19:01.

:19:01. > :19:07.week. Doctoring is a more serious And Professor Raymond Tallis joins

:19:07. > :19:12.us now. I think everybody would agree that doctoring is more

:19:12. > :19:18.complicated than shopping. But also there is a perception that doctors

:19:18. > :19:24.don't want to work out of hours and the weekends? I began a 104 hour

:19:24. > :19:29.week when I started as a junior doctor. When I finished I was

:19:29. > :19:35.working 70 hours a week when I finished. It was normal when I

:19:35. > :19:40.retired to become a consultant on call. That there was no question of

:19:41. > :19:44.not doing out of hours care. Nevermind one continuing

:19:44. > :19:49.preoccupation of patience when you are not being paid for it. His it

:19:49. > :19:53.to demand would looking at? You put it down to the fact there were no

:19:53. > :20:00.resources. Let's say the resources were there, would it be reasonable

:20:00. > :20:04.for people to expect a 24 hour a day service in terms of GPs and

:20:04. > :20:08.hospital? It's would be wonderful. When I was a doctor in hospital, it

:20:08. > :20:12.was dreadful on Sunday when you were trying to solve a complex

:20:13. > :20:18.problem because you did not have a support service. When you were

:20:18. > :20:22.trying to communicate with primary care there wasn't the support at

:20:22. > :20:26.the weekend. As I have indicated, it would be fantastically staff

:20:26. > :20:31.centres. We would be far less concerned, but it requires an

:20:31. > :20:36.enormous amount of resources at a time when resources are being

:20:36. > :20:39.squandered a by the Coalition. more money was put into the NHS or

:20:39. > :20:45.the resources were spent more wisely you could have a more even

:20:45. > :20:50.service spread across seven days? �12.7 billion will be put into the

:20:50. > :20:59.NHS during this Parliament. But if you look at the root causes, the

:20:59. > :21:02.majority of the NHS workforce are on a 24 hour basis. There is the

:21:02. > :21:12.basis of expanding GP hours and consultant hours. Because the

:21:12. > :21:15.previous contract could GP now earns �108,000. There is a 24%

:21:15. > :21:19.increase in pay given to consultants by the previous

:21:19. > :21:24.Government. Would you like to change that? They were still

:21:24. > :21:32.allowed to opt out of weekends and evenings. Part of this is what

:21:32. > :21:37.contract you put in place. Doctors are well remunerated... And they

:21:37. > :21:42.should work out-of-hours and weekends? Doctors shouldn't just do

:21:42. > :21:47.on-call work at that time, but more routine work. At night and the

:21:47. > :21:52.weekends, the mortality rate is higher. When you are earning

:21:52. > :21:58.�108,000 on average, and you are starting a salary as a consultant

:21:58. > :22:03.on 84,000... What are you blaming the fact you're 82% more likely to

:22:03. > :22:06.die in the NHS when you have an operation on a Sunday compared to a

:22:06. > :22:11.Monday? Are you saying there are enough resources, but doctors are

:22:11. > :22:16.not good enough at the weekend? am not saying that. But some were

:22:16. > :22:21.there is a problem. The contracts knitters he did by the previous

:22:21. > :22:26.Government allowed doctors to opt out of weekend care. So consultant

:22:26. > :22:30.care, is safer Kerr and better. That is something we need to see

:22:31. > :22:37.more of. Not just during the week, but in the evenings and weekends.

:22:37. > :22:42.Good patient care, professionals acting with professionalism. What

:22:42. > :22:46.do say to that? First of all he is confusing the situation with

:22:46. > :22:53.primary care and the situations with hospitals. All hospital

:22:53. > :22:57.consultants provide cover over weekends on a shift basis. It is

:22:57. > :23:02.not actually being at a hospital delivering care, it is being

:23:02. > :23:08.provided by on-call cover which is different to providing routine,

:23:08. > :23:13.daytime care. The other thing is, there is only a certain number of

:23:13. > :23:19.hours an individual doctor can work. It is inappropriate for a doctor to

:23:19. > :23:26.work a 100 our week, as I did. We need more doctors. You cannot

:23:26. > :23:32.spread one doctor over 168 hours in a week. We are can -- recruiting

:23:32. > :23:36.more consultants. The previous Government recognised that

:23:36. > :23:41.consultant care is better. We need to have more consultants working at

:23:41. > :23:45.weekends and out of hours. It is also the case we need a GPS system

:23:45. > :23:50.that is not necessarily looking at daytime care, but providing care in

:23:50. > :23:55.the evenings and weekends to keep patients more out of the A&E when

:23:55. > :23:59.they don't need to be there. are the Government, make it happen.

:23:59. > :24:06.We need to revisit the contracts we inherited from the previous

:24:06. > :24:12.Government. Some of these contracts come round in a ten-year sample.

:24:12. > :24:17.Hackney, idealistic GPs wanted to clawback the opt-out from providing

:24:17. > :24:20.out-of-hours services. The existing private provider was awful. The

:24:20. > :24:24.public and the doctors agreed with that. They tried to buy it out and

:24:24. > :24:28.they were prevented from doing so. By the rules laid down by the

:24:28. > :24:32.previous Government. Now yesterday we had a bit of a

:24:32. > :24:34.spat on our programme - which we always enjoy. The Labour MP, Simon

:24:34. > :24:37.Danczuk, locked horns with The Independent's Owen Jones over the

:24:37. > :24:40.question of Jobs Seekers Allowance and whether there should be a

:24:40. > :24:49.seven-day waiting period. Owen Jones attacked the proposal and

:24:49. > :24:54.well a bit of old-fashioned class warfare ensued. Take a look at this.

:24:54. > :25:00.You cannot just bring everybody together. You have an idealistic

:25:00. > :25:04.view of the world. You sound like a 1980s alternative comedian. It is

:25:04. > :25:10.hilarious in many respects, but taking on the mantle of Ben Elton

:25:10. > :25:16.does not help anybody in politics. You sound like a Tory politician.

:25:16. > :25:24.The grotesque sight of the Labour MP scuttling around TV studios to

:25:24. > :25:30.back Tory attacks on some of the poorest of society. The priority

:25:30. > :25:33.has to be creating jobs, creating wealth.

:25:33. > :25:36.Well that ding-dong caused a Twitter storm and led the Daily

:25:36. > :25:39.Telegraph blogger, Dan Hodges, to write that the Labour Party needs

:25:39. > :25:49.more of this left-wing rebuttal and he accused the Labour leadership of

:25:49. > :25:49.

:25:49. > :25:54.being in thrall to Owen Jones. Dan Hodges joins us now. And are we

:25:54. > :26:00.saying, the word has got out from Ed Miliband's headquarters that

:26:00. > :26:08.Owen-Jones is not to be touched? Owen-Jones is a made man within the

:26:08. > :26:13.Labour Party. A Mafia expression? It is a Mafia expression. It has

:26:13. > :26:19.been leave Owen alone. It is an open secret that Ed Miliband and

:26:19. > :26:24.his party have been courting going for several months. Why is that?He

:26:24. > :26:29.is influential and has his newspaper column, he is influential

:26:29. > :26:36.in terms of his liaison with the unions, think tank he is

:26:36. > :26:42.established with. And also the direct action movement that Labour

:26:42. > :26:46.wants to make common cause with. The other element is, the 35%

:26:46. > :26:51.strategy, Ed Miliband is trying to build a new Coalition around those

:26:51. > :26:55.who are disaffected with the Labour Party around the Iraq war, and

:26:55. > :27:02.young and first-time voters. There is a sense Irwin is a spokesperson

:27:02. > :27:07.for that group. Owen-Jones replied to your comments, saying it is the

:27:07. > :27:13.most riveting and personal fantasy he has ever read. I don't want to

:27:13. > :27:18.go into his personal fantasies, certainly not before the watershed!

:27:18. > :27:24.Would you like to disprove Dan Hodges theory by attacking a Wynne-

:27:24. > :27:28.Jones on air? This is total rubbish. Ed Miliband has not put out an

:27:28. > :27:33.instruction to shadow ministers not to have a go at him. I would be

:27:33. > :27:37.happy to criticise Owen if the occasion arises. And Simon is a

:27:37. > :27:47.Labour Member of Parliament, he speaks for the Labour Party. Not

:27:47. > :27:48.

:27:48. > :27:55.Owen. So Simon was right, and I was was wrong? -- Owen. Yes.It is

:27:55. > :28:05.falling apart. The word is out now, attack it Owen. They will all be

:28:05. > :28:09.

:28:09. > :28:19.Time to put you out of your misery with the answer to the Guess the

:28:19. > :28:20.

:28:20. > :28:26.Year competition. The answer was 1942. Why should they have found

:28:26. > :28:30.out it was 1942? The Al Alan Main, the huge battle

:28:30. > :28:35.on the North African desert, the turning-point of the war. The first

:28:35. > :28:45.British victory, actually. Emma, please press the button to reveal

:28:45. > :28:47.

:28:47. > :28:51.There is one Cup on eBay at the moment selling for �93, but it is

:28:51. > :28:54.the cancer. OK that's all for today. Thanks to