:00:45. > :00:54.Welcome to the Daily Politics special. Yesterday I was in the
:00:54. > :01:00.factory where they are making parts for our new London buses. Manchester
:01:00. > :01:06.tells London where to go away to get off! At last, a well delivered
:01:06. > :01:12.conference gag. So can Boris pull off being the mayor and a member of
:01:12. > :01:16.Parliament at the same time? They are considered a plague at the
:01:17. > :01:22.conference, says Nigel Farage, but some Tory MPs apparently want to be
:01:22. > :01:44.infected. What conditions of any conservative UKIP deals? The scheme
:01:44. > :01:51.has its vocal opponents in the Party but what do activists in Manchester
:01:51. > :01:54.think about High Speed Rail? And living with the enemy - what
:01:54. > :02:09.happened when Tony Blair's former spin doctor went to Manchester?
:02:09. > :02:13.All that in the next hour and with us for the duration - fresh from
:02:13. > :02:15.picking up gongs at the Emmy's in Los Angeles for the American version
:02:15. > :02:17.picking up gongs at the Emmy's in of "house of cards" - is author,
:02:18. > :02:21.screenwriter, and former Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
:02:21. > :02:23.Michael Dobbs. Before we move on to events in Manchester, let's turn to
:02:23. > :02:26.Michael Dobbs. Before we move on to Ed Miliband and an article today in
:02:26. > :02:42.the Daily Mail about his late father, Ralph. On Saturday the Mail
:02:42. > :02:45.published an article about Ralph Miliband under the headline "the man
:02:45. > :02:48.who hated Britain". Today Mr Miliband has been given space to
:02:48. > :02:52.reply, but in an adjoining comment piece the Mail says it stands by its
:02:52. > :03:02.original article which it has also reprinted today. Here's what Mr
:03:02. > :03:07.Miliband had to say earlier. It is perfectly legitimate to talk about
:03:07. > :03:11.my father's politics but when they said he hated Britain, I will not
:03:11. > :03:15.put up with that because he loved Britain. He served in the Royal
:03:15. > :03:23.Navy, he was a refugee who came here, he took great comfort in what
:03:23. > :03:28.this country offered him and I am was appalled when I read that in the
:03:28. > :03:34.Daily Mail, and they said he hated Britain, it is a lie. They have
:03:34. > :03:40.repeated that lie today and gone further, and described my father 's
:03:40. > :03:44.legacy as evil. The word evil is reserved for particular cases and I
:03:44. > :03:54.was not able to let that stand and that is why I have spoken out. Ed
:03:54. > :04:02.Miliband is clearly disturbed and he is right to be, Michael? Yes, it is
:04:02. > :04:07.probably counter-productive as well, what is the point of accusing Ed
:04:07. > :04:12.Miliband of effectively being a crypto Marxist and establishing a
:04:12. > :04:16.sort of idea that he is anything other than the man he is, which is a
:04:17. > :04:23.man still searching for what he believes in and what he stands for.
:04:23. > :04:26.To attack a father who is no longer here to defend himself, as David
:04:26. > :04:32.Cameron said this morning, he would be up in arms if anybody attacked
:04:32. > :04:36.his late father. I remember the Daily Express and the Daily Mail got
:04:36. > :04:40.into a furious row with each other when they started attacking each
:04:40. > :04:48.other's proprietors and they eventually had to call a truce on
:04:48. > :04:51.the whole thing. I suppose we'll have a few skeletons in our closet
:04:51. > :04:54.the whole thing. I suppose we'll but to attack a politician might Ed
:04:54. > :04:59.Miliband because of what his father might have written when he was 17 is
:04:59. > :05:04.probably not the strongest of arguments. His father was a Marxist,
:05:04. > :05:08.that has always been known, and was not a great believer in the
:05:08. > :05:13.Parliamentary system. When then they'll does this now, it is not
:05:14. > :05:35.attacking his father, it is attacking Ed Miliband. I really do
:05:36. > :05:40.believe that this sort of stuff should be pushed to one side and
:05:40. > :05:48.let's concentrate on Ed Miliband's policies. He will not be going for
:05:48. > :05:55.lunch at the Daily Mail at any time. I'm surprised he reads the Daily
:05:55. > :06:00.Mail. Other people have done. Let's go to Manchester now, it is time to
:06:00. > :06:12.get a sense of the mood of the conference. Let's speak to Elizabeth
:06:12. > :06:24.Rigby, I understand hurricane Boris made landfall last night, what has
:06:24. > :06:28.been the impact? It is Borismania here as ever. His supporters are
:06:28. > :06:33.saying he is trying to be loyal to David Cameron and he is setting out
:06:33. > :06:52.his pitch for a leadership battle but not for a few years. He made a
:06:52. > :06:58.couple of remarks on stamp duty, made a slight take about helping out
:06:58. > :07:05.in a subtle way but the Boris show is in town and we love it. When he
:07:05. > :07:12.says he is loyal, we believe him 100%. We wouldn't doubt that for a
:07:13. > :07:22.minute, would we? Absolutely, he has no all teary emotive. When he basks
:07:22. > :07:39.in the glory of standing ovations, he is thinking of no more than doing
:07:39. > :07:46.a good job as London mayor. His mayoralty runs until 2016 but it is
:07:46. > :07:52.interesting to hear the Prime Minister talking about it and who
:07:52. > :07:57.knows where the Boris story will go? What is the Prime Minister up to
:07:57. > :08:03.here? Boris has ruled out being an MP as long as he is still the mayor
:08:03. > :08:09.of London. It will still be mayor in 2015, what is the Prime Minister
:08:09. > :08:14.doing here? What else can the Prime Minister do, if he is asked these
:08:14. > :08:18.questions, if he appears to say I don't want Boris anywhere near my
:08:18. > :08:23.Parliamentary party in the Commons, it looks like somehow he sees Boris
:08:23. > :08:28.as a threat. He has to be prime ministerial about it and say, yes, I
:08:28. > :08:32.would welcome Boris back with open arms but his calculation is that it
:08:33. > :08:41.is better to keep Boris away from the Parliamentary party as long as
:08:41. > :08:48.he can. The truth is that Mr Johnson needs the Prime Minister to lose in
:08:48. > :08:54.2015. That would open up a leadership vacancy, however I'm not
:08:54. > :08:58.sure whether Boris has the capability to be an opposition
:08:58. > :09:02.leader. I think he can just about all off being Prime Minister but I
:09:02. > :09:07.think the chances for it all going horribly wrong if he were the
:09:07. > :09:11.opposition leader, which we all know is the most difficult job in
:09:11. > :09:23.politics, it could go horribly wrong if that were the case. Now it is the
:09:23. > :09:30.morning after the day before, how is George Osborne's speech being
:09:31. > :09:35.regarded? I would say the speech has been welcomed. The Tories are
:09:35. > :09:40.clearly making their pitch as the protectors of the economy and when
:09:40. > :09:44.we were going around the bars last night talking to senior people in
:09:44. > :09:50.the party, they made the point that they can only win if they win on the
:09:50. > :09:53.economy and that has to come first. George Osborne slowly but the
:09:53. > :09:58.economy and economic fiscal discipline at the heart of the
:09:58. > :10:04.strategy, and a few populist measures sprinkled on like fairy
:10:04. > :10:11.dust with the fuel duty. Fairy dust in Manchester! Thank you. What do
:10:11. > :10:17.you make of the Boris phenomenon? Is he a serious contender to replace
:10:17. > :10:22.David Cameron? I think he has to be careful because every year we are
:10:22. > :10:29.getting accustomed to this Boris Paxman interview on Newsnight, where
:10:29. > :10:34.Jeremy asks the questions and Boris sits there and says, I may love
:10:34. > :10:42.them, but he has got to start committing himself. In what way? To
:10:42. > :10:47.say, yes, I have these ambitions and they will come a point when I want
:10:47. > :10:50.to be a member of Parliament. He has a wonderful persona, he is
:10:50. > :10:54.to be a member of Parliament. He has life and jollity but they are not
:10:54. > :10:57.the characteristics people require for Prime Minister and he has to
:10:57. > :11:04.make that transmission which will be a difficult one from being much
:11:04. > :11:09.loved to being someone who could credibly be a national leader.
:11:09. > :11:15.Should he break his word and stand for Parliament in 2015? Politicians
:11:15. > :11:17.breaking their word? It would be terrifying but somehow I think he
:11:17. > :11:34.breaking their word? It would be would survive. Now it's time for our
:11:34. > :11:43.daily quiz. The question for today is: Which of these shoes do not
:11:43. > :11:56.belong to Home Secretary, Theresa May. At the end of the show Michael
:11:56. > :12:00.will give the correct answer. We can now go live to the Conservative
:12:00. > :12:05.conference in Manchester, where we are joined by the Cabinet office
:12:05. > :12:09.minister, Francis Maude. You have been described this week by the
:12:09. > :12:15.Guardian as the keeper of the modernising flame and by the
:12:15. > :12:19.Telegraph as the modernisers' moderniser. When you look at the
:12:20. > :12:24.range of policies announced this week, including a crackdown on
:12:24. > :12:30.welfare claimants, deporting foreign criminals before appeal, does not
:12:31. > :12:34.that feel like the modernising project in reverse? Know,
:12:34. > :12:40.modernisation is what the Conservative party has to do all the
:12:40. > :12:44.time. All parties have to make themselves on temporary in tune with
:12:44. > :12:51.what Britain is today. Some of the work I do in Government does not fit
:12:51. > :12:55.in with the conventional view of what modernisation is but that is
:12:55. > :12:59.what contemporary Britain requires. It requires a Government that is
:12:59. > :13:05.committed to driving down immigration, and all parties agree
:13:05. > :13:08.with that. We are doing it very effectively, reforming public
:13:08. > :13:16.services, that is what contemporary Britain expects a conservative led
:13:16. > :13:22.Government to do. What about the marriage tax break? How does that
:13:22. > :13:26.thing modernisation in the context that the Tories have tried to set
:13:26. > :13:31.out the Conservative party when David Cameron first became leader?
:13:31. > :13:33.That is one of the very first things David Cameron said as leader. He
:13:33. > :13:41.said we are going to support and David Cameron said as leader. He
:13:41. > :13:45.recognise marriage in the tax system, and that will be the case
:13:45. > :13:50.whether it is the marriage between a man and a woman, a woman and a
:13:50. > :13:54.woman, or a man and a man, and it was a very modern approach to an
:13:54. > :13:59.age-old issue. Marriage is important, it is part of the glue
:13:59. > :14:09.that holds society together. Do you accept it is still judging one type
:14:09. > :14:15.of relationship as superior? No, it is just saying there is a social
:14:15. > :14:19.case for recognising marriage. It is interesting that the party doesn't
:14:19. > :14:24.really like the big modernising policies that you have pursued. They
:14:24. > :14:30.have driven your vote is arguably to UKIP, gay marriage and the
:14:30. > :14:34.commitment on foreign aid. That is nothing to do with modernising.
:14:34. > :14:39.Social attitudes have changed. 100 years ago there were plenty of
:14:39. > :14:50.people in the Conservative party and other parties that opposed the
:14:50. > :14:53.enfranchisement of women. Things move on, the commitment to
:14:53. > :15:00.international development I think is one that is honourable and it is the
:15:00. > :15:06.high road, saying that actually it is in Britain's national interest to
:15:06. > :15:11.be the most visible proponent of eradicating global poverty as well
:15:11. > :15:16.as serving our national interest in rooting out those places where
:15:16. > :15:17.poverty breeds terrorism. All of this makes sense in our national
:15:17. > :15:51.interest. leaders do. They lead. I am proud
:15:51. > :16:51.that is a conservative led government.
:16:51. > :17:14.public support equal marriage so we have to get this into proportion.
:17:14. > :17:19.Lynton Crosby is brilliant, he has a great record of success in fighting
:17:19. > :17:23.effective campaigns, disciplined, rigorous, competently run in the way
:17:24. > :17:31.people would be entitled to expect from a Conservative party and I am a
:17:31. > :17:35.big fan. It looks difference, with big banners everywhere, big
:17:35. > :17:40.messages, crying down, immigration down, but when you think back to the
:17:40. > :17:52.early conferences with clouds everywhere and the Big Society, it
:17:52. > :17:57.has all gone, where is it? It hasn't, you are just making
:17:57. > :18:00.pointless assertions. The truth is that we are doing difficult things
:18:01. > :18:05.that provide the best hope for the long-term future of the country. It
:18:05. > :18:09.is all about an optimistic outlook for the country. By doing difficult
:18:09. > :18:11.things now that will give the best hope for people to make the best of
:18:11. > :18:17.things now that will give the best their lives in Britain to prosper in
:18:17. > :18:18.a competitive world and we need to get things right. That won't always
:18:18. > :18:54.be popular. He's attracted large crowds, cheers
:18:54. > :18:57.and standing ovations. But this politician's not a Conservative. The
:18:57. > :18:59.UKIP leader, Nigel Farage, was working the conference fringe
:18:59. > :19:07.yesterday. Here he his explaining his idea for UKIP deals with
:19:07. > :19:10.individual Conservative candidates. There is not going to be a deal
:19:10. > :19:14.between us and the Conservative Party at the next general election.
:19:14. > :19:20.Our voters would not want it, and it would not be in our interests to put
:19:20. > :19:26.Mr Cameron back in office when he wants to continue with membership of
:19:26. > :19:32.the European Union. But, I am not a wholly unreasonable person. And I do
:19:32. > :19:36.recognise that there are some people on the backbenches in the
:19:36. > :19:44.Conservative Party, and some in the Labour Party as well. They feel, as
:19:44. > :19:54.UKIP feel, on most of these key issues. And I think Peter bone and
:19:54. > :20:01.Jacob Rees Mogg and Nadine Dorey 's -- Dorries have made the thought
:20:01. > :20:05.that we could have a cooperation that takes place at local level
:20:05. > :20:10.between UKIP associations or Tory or even Labour Party local
:20:10. > :20:14.associations. Nigel Farage at the Conservative conference, but not
:20:14. > :20:18.quite in it. That is the wonderful building that is Manchester town
:20:18. > :20:22.Hall he was speaking up. UKIP clearly a big issue at the Tory
:20:22. > :20:27.conference and we are joined by the deputy chairman, Neil Hamilton.
:20:27. > :20:35.Welcome to the Daily Politics. Nigel Farage is making this deal to
:20:35. > :20:38.individual constituencies. What would be the conditions of such a
:20:38. > :20:43.deal? I think it was a bit of a teal. -- a bit of a tease. He was
:20:43. > :20:46.putting the UKIP cat amongst the Tory pigeons. They have been
:20:46. > :20:51.flapping around. I don't think there is a UKIP branch that would want to
:20:51. > :20:57.do a deal with the Tories, why would we want to align ourselves to a
:20:57. > :21:01.toxic brand? Jacob Rees Mogg's seat, I was talking to the chairman
:21:01. > :21:04.there, and he said there was no way the party would do a deal with the
:21:04. > :21:09.Tories to give Jacob Rees Mogg a shoo-in for the next Parliament. We
:21:09. > :21:15.know that a national deal will not be done. Mr Raju and Mr Cameron have
:21:15. > :21:19.made it clear. But you think there will not be any deals at a local
:21:19. > :21:25.level -- Nigel Farage and Mr Cameron. You don't think there will
:21:25. > :21:28.be any at constituency level? I haven't spoken to every branch
:21:28. > :21:34.around the country, but with UKIP going up and the Tories in freefall
:21:34. > :21:38.why we would want to arrest our skyrocketing way forward. It sounds
:21:39. > :21:41.to me like you would be against it if they constituency wanted to do
:21:42. > :21:46.it. I'm not saying he would try to stop it, but you would say no. Nigel
:21:46. > :21:52.said that local constituencies are free to enter such a deal if they
:21:52. > :21:56.wanted. Our national executive will look at each individual application
:21:56. > :22:00.on a one by one basis and decide whether this is a sensible thing to
:22:00. > :22:04.do or not. So you could stop the consistency from doing it if it was
:22:04. > :22:08.so minded to? We could do that, but I think it's a pretty academic
:22:08. > :22:14.discussion. I think it was just Nigel being naughty. I'm delighted
:22:14. > :22:19.to be sitting next June, Neil, old friends, but I have to take issue
:22:19. > :22:23.with you on this. You say this is an academic discussion -- next to you.
:22:23. > :22:26.There was your lead on a public platform promising they would not do
:22:26. > :22:30.a deal with the Tories, but on the other hand we might do deals with
:22:30. > :22:34.the Tories. You are coming in and saying it is nonsense. Which side
:22:34. > :22:39.actually wins? Politicians do frequently say things they do not
:22:39. > :22:43.mean. Yesterday to reason they were saying we might be taken out of the
:22:43. > :22:47.European Union human rights intervention, and there is no way
:22:47. > :22:57.that they would take them out of the European human rights Convention.
:22:57. > :23:02.You would have do leave the EU. What was the lie that Nigel Farage -- the
:23:02. > :23:08.lie that Nigel Farage told yesterday? He didn't. Heat you said
:23:08. > :23:13.he said something he didn't mean. He said we would consider the
:23:13. > :23:18.partnership proposal on its merit. It sounds unlikely though. It is
:23:18. > :23:24.unlikely. You would fight along with Jacob Rees Mogg, Nadine Dorries, you
:23:24. > :23:30.would put UKIP people up against them? I know for certain that in the
:23:30. > :23:36.seat of Jacob Rees Mogg, excellent man though he is, I like him along,
:23:36. > :23:40.and he adds something to the House of Commons. On personal grounds, I
:23:40. > :23:45.would regret his departure. But UKIP of Commons. On personal grounds, I
:23:45. > :23:49.is now a political party, not a fringe pressure group. We are out to
:23:49. > :23:52.win elections and we are doing it well. What is the evidence you will
:23:52. > :23:55.win elections and we are doing it win any seats at the next general
:23:55. > :24:02.election? If you look at the local results of May on a parliamentary
:24:02. > :24:06.aggregate basis, we would have won several seats. We are going into
:24:06. > :24:12.this European election campaign as the odds-on favourite to win
:24:12. > :24:15.nationwide. We are looking to cause an earthquake in British politics
:24:15. > :24:19.next year and change the ground rules for the 2015 general election.
:24:19. > :24:23.It is likely the earthquake you will cause come the general election is
:24:23. > :24:28.that you probably won't win a single seat yourself, but you will take
:24:28. > :24:31.enough votes away from the Tories to let Ed Miliband in. I've given you
:24:31. > :24:33.the names of half a dozen constituencies which we would have
:24:33. > :24:37.won. General election, as you know, constituencies which we would have
:24:37. > :24:41.as you fall them for the big parties, is very difficult. The
:24:41. > :24:45.smaller parties, including the Lib Dems, it is much harder to get a
:24:45. > :24:48.look in. Of course, and the first past the post election system is not
:24:48. > :24:52.look in. Of course, and the first in the interest of the smaller
:24:52. > :24:56.parties. I could add that in Eastleigh we had a by-election in
:24:56. > :25:11.February where UKIP was 1500 votes short of winning it and it was the
:25:11. > :25:14.Tories that split our vote. How many do you expect to win? I'm not going
:25:14. > :25:15.to put a figure on it. I might underestimate the numbers. I
:25:15. > :25:17.wouldn't want to. That is how underestimate the numbers. I
:25:17. > :25:20.politics is, you play down expectations. Five? Ten? If you go
:25:20. > :25:27.to the bookmakers they will give you the odds. You talked about the fox
:25:27. > :25:30.going amongst the chickens, has the UKIP Fox been shot because of the
:25:30. > :25:33.issue that will dominate the next general election, which is do you
:25:33. > :25:37.want a referendum on Europe or not? At the moment there is only one
:25:37. > :25:41.party capable of delivering that, which is the Conservative Party. We
:25:41. > :25:53.are going to have a voter referendum long before that because I'm going
:25:53. > :25:55.to turn the European elections into the referendum that David Cameron
:25:55. > :25:58.has kicked into the long grass. That will be people 's opportunity. Are
:25:58. > :26:00.you going to do this single-handed? I have a huge team working with me.
:26:00. > :26:04.It's not really a referendum though, is it. What is it about some
:26:04. > :26:11.of your members. We have had talk of bongo bongo land, women as sluts,
:26:11. > :26:16.of your members. We have had talk of and now you're chief spin doctor
:26:16. > :26:20.says that a journalist is of some form of ethnic extraction. It is
:26:20. > :26:24.pretty desperate stuff. We don't know the background, evidently. He
:26:24. > :26:30.was taking a message on a noisy train and could not catch the name
:26:30. > :26:34.of the journalist that the party official was going to meet. He knew
:26:34. > :26:38.that it was a name from the Indian subcontinent of some kind, so all he
:26:38. > :26:41.said is what is of of ethnic extraction. Is that not a PC phrase
:26:41. > :26:48.question what he could have said Black, Asian or more pejorative word
:26:48. > :26:54.-- is that not a PC phrase? We all of some form ethnic extraction.
:26:54. > :26:59.What's wrong with it? If I wanted to say, by the way, Neil Hamilton is on
:26:59. > :27:03.the train, and I forget what he looks like and he is of some form of
:27:03. > :27:09.ethnic extraction, I would use that for you? That is ridiculous. This is
:27:09. > :27:13.a bad smell. I can tell you what is happening here. This is a desperate
:27:13. > :27:18.attempt by the establishment to stop UKIP's rise in its tracks. Here is a
:27:18. > :27:24.photograph which purports to show Nigel Farage with a Hitler
:27:24. > :27:28.moustache. It is not a joke. He has a halo as well. This is what the
:27:28. > :27:31.Murdoch press is doing because it's also in the Sun newspaper today.
:27:31. > :27:38.They are desperately scared that UKIP is going to shoot the Tories's
:27:38. > :27:41.Fox come the next election. It is not them who want to see the
:27:41. > :27:45.European Union question you better take it up better with him -- with
:27:45. > :27:52.him, you know him better than I do. Would you use the phrase some form
:27:52. > :27:56.of ethnic extraction? What's wrong with it? That's caught you out.
:27:56. > :28:03.Well, I was just letting it hang there. I am happy to take it to the
:28:03. > :28:06.borough public opinion. You just have, on the Daily Politics. Neil
:28:06. > :28:10.Hamilton, thank you. The blonde bombshell has hit the conference. He
:28:10. > :28:14.admitted on TV last night that he did not know the price of milk, but
:28:14. > :28:19.he seemed unperturbed as he received the usual adulation in the
:28:19. > :28:25.conference hall. Good morning everybody in Manchester, great joy
:28:25. > :28:28.to be back here. Not so long ago, my friends, and we welcome all sorts of
:28:28. > :28:35.wonderful luminaries to City Hall, and a few months ago I welcome the
:28:35. > :28:38.former French prime ministers. -- Prime Minister. He cruised in with
:28:38. > :28:47.his sizeable retinue of very distinguished fellows, and he shook
:28:47. > :28:54.hands, and we had a tete-a-tete, and he told me that he was now the mayor
:28:54. > :28:57.of Bordeaux and he do things like that once you've been Prime
:28:57. > :29:06.Minister. Very good idea, in my view. Joke! Joke! And he said to
:29:06. > :29:09.accelerate the programme of house-building dramatically, and
:29:09. > :29:16.it's time we considered allowing companies to make tax-free loans to
:29:16. > :29:23.their employees to help them with the cost of their rent deposit. How
:29:23. > :29:29.about that? A brainy policy, yes? Put it into the budget
:29:29. > :29:34.considerations. Can I also ask to my friend, the Chancellor, to look at
:29:34. > :29:41.the baleful effects of stamp duty in London, and possibly elsewhere? It
:29:41. > :29:45.is called stamp duty for a reason, because it's stamping on the figures
:29:45. > :29:48.-- fingers of those who are trying to climb the property ladder. The
:29:48. > :29:53.choice of the next election is very simple. It's between the fool 's
:29:53. > :29:56.gold of Labour gimmicks, which we all understand and have all fought
:29:56. > :30:03.before, and a government that is willing to take tough and sensible
:30:03. > :30:08.decisions. To cut unnecessary spending, and make the key
:30:08. > :30:10.investments in transport and infrastructure and housing and in
:30:10. > :30:17.our communities that will take this country forward. I know what I want.
:30:17. > :30:22.What I want as mayor of the greatest city on earth. I think I know what
:30:22. > :30:30.you want. Am I right? I know that we can do it. So let's go over it over
:30:30. > :30:33.the next two years. Cut that yellow Liberal Democrat albatross from
:30:33. > :30:45.around our necks and let it drop into the sea, by working flat out
:30:45. > :30:55.for David Cameron as Prime Minister and outright conservative victory in
:30:55. > :31:12.2015. Aki very much. Boris Johnson speaking this morning. In his
:31:12. > :31:15.Conference speech yesterday, George Osborne urged Conservative party
:31:15. > :31:18.activists to back the government's High Speed Rail plans. The
:31:18. > :31:20.Chancellor told the conference in Manchester that HS2 would bring
:31:20. > :31:23."more jobs and prosperity" to Britain. But were party members
:31:23. > :31:32.convinced? We asked Adam to find out. When we did this at the Labour
:31:32. > :31:41.conference last week, it was 50/50. And the box fell over, and the balls
:31:41. > :31:50.fell out. HS2, construct or cancel? We are builders, definitely. Will it
:31:50. > :32:03.definitely happen? I don't want it but I think we need it. Construct.
:32:03. > :32:06.It is only going to benefit a small minority of people, with such
:32:06. > :32:11.disruption and it will not happen for 20 or 30 years, we need that
:32:11. > :32:20.money ploughing into the economy now. Are you pro HS2? I am a
:32:20. > :32:25.constructor. It will make a huge difference because we have capacity
:32:25. > :32:33.constraints, we need to link the city is better. Is Boris signed up
:32:33. > :32:40.to HS2? You would have to ask Boris. I am not a fan of trains. They
:32:40. > :32:47.always go to one destination, don't they? It is massively overcrowded,
:32:47. > :32:53.it is not about speed, it is about capacity and we need good
:32:53. > :32:58.connectivity to Sheffield and Huddersfield where I live. I think
:32:58. > :33:05.it is unnecessary and I don't think the capacity argument adds up
:33:05. > :33:17.either. I have changed my cancel to construct. In the space of one
:33:17. > :33:21.morning? My polling is only what other people think. I don't trust
:33:21. > :33:28.morning? My polling is only what big projects like Concorde or the
:33:28. > :33:35.millennium Dome, they tend not to go well. David, would you like to take
:33:35. > :33:41.part in a Daily Politics survey? I am surprised at the moment you have
:33:41. > :33:51.more on that side than on that side. Maybe it is stuck on a slow train.
:33:51. > :33:59.It is a huge amount of money to be spending without the infrastructure
:33:59. > :34:05.in the area, so cancel. Construct. It is about making the capacity
:34:05. > :34:10.doubles. There we go, a massive majority in favour of construction.
:34:10. > :34:19.I have to say, while a lot of people were inspired by George Osborne's
:34:19. > :34:23.pep talk on the subject. Interesting, I didn't think there
:34:23. > :34:30.would be such an overwhelming majority. Do you agree with them? I
:34:30. > :34:36.am sceptical. I don't think the case has been made as well as it should
:34:36. > :34:43.be. Goodness knows what the cost will be in ten years. The cost will
:34:43. > :34:47.go up and up. I remember the row in the House of Lords and indeed the
:34:47. > :34:53.House of Commons a little while ago about the west line fiasco with the
:34:53. > :34:57.Department of Transport really being seen to be incapable. The transport
:34:57. > :34:59.Department of Transport really being Secretary now says we have the
:34:59. > :35:07.Olympic dream team running the project, said David Higgins and Lord
:35:07. > :35:12.Deayton. Does that reassure you a little more? Yes, but there are
:35:12. > :35:16.still big questions to be answered and the Government has to go the
:35:16. > :35:22.extra mile to satisfy sceptics that this is really good value for money.
:35:22. > :35:27.We should be sceptical, this was a project from the last Labour
:35:27. > :35:34.Government and as a decent Tory I am always sceptical! Labour look as if
:35:34. > :35:40.they are wobbling in terms of value for money, would you encourage Tory
:35:40. > :35:46.MPs to back Labour if they withdraw support for HS2? The Government need
:35:46. > :35:50.to do more explaining of the costs and making us convinced because it
:35:50. > :35:57.does have a chequered track record, that it can deliver on budget, on
:35:57. > :36:02.time. The problem is that supporters of HS2 say we will never build
:36:02. > :36:09.anything in this country, there will always be scepticism about whether a
:36:09. > :36:16.project is value for money. Like Heathrow's third runway. Why is HS2
:36:16. > :36:20.so much more important? To quote Patrick McLoughlin, he said the
:36:20. > :36:24.high-speed line would leave the country stronger and provide a boost
:36:24. > :36:29.for the great cities like Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield,
:36:29. > :36:33.Nottingham, Derby. This will create a link between the north and the
:36:33. > :36:39.South and the people down south, he says, should stop moaning. One
:36:39. > :36:45.conference speech is not enough. This is such a massive project, it
:36:45. > :36:57.need selling to the hilt and I don't think we have done that yet. Now,
:36:57. > :37:00.you never know who you're going to bump into at Tory party conference.
:37:00. > :37:03.One minute you could be rubbing shoulders with Eric Pickles, the
:37:03. > :37:05.next hanging out with Alastair Campbell. Yes, that's right Tony
:37:06. > :37:08.Blair's former Director of Communication,s Alastair Campbell.
:37:08. > :37:12.We found him enjoying the stands in the exhibition hall. So what on
:37:12. > :37:14.earth is a former Labour spin doctor doing at the Conservative
:37:14. > :37:17.conference? It is my first Tory conference for 20 years and I am
:37:17. > :37:21.here to have a row with loads of Tories, and secondly to persuade
:37:21. > :37:25.them to do a U-turn on the U-turn David Cameron did and get serious
:37:25. > :37:39.about dealing with alcohol abuse in Britain. Why did David Cameron say
:37:39. > :37:48.he would bring in minimum unit pricing and why has he since decided
:37:48. > :37:52.he will not? In Scotland it is considered a more serious issue with
:37:52. > :37:57.more worrying figures in the north. I personally support it. You will
:37:57. > :38:04.not find many students in favourable as a nation we know it is a concern.
:38:04. > :38:19.Are you going to get drunk tonight? Why, are you coming along? No! That
:38:19. > :38:30.is a bad picture of Ed Miliband, he looks like desperate Dan. What is
:38:31. > :38:34.funny is that he said a lot of the Tories were deciding which beer to
:38:34. > :38:39.choose, and he whispered to me they were all the same. You lose your
:38:39. > :38:46.argument when you start finger jabbing. So you are selling, you
:38:46. > :38:50.have the Labour beer here and the Tory beer over here. Margaret
:38:50. > :39:33.Thatcher is the God of the beer with body. ELVIS SINGS are you going to
:39:33. > :39:40.sing with me? I'm sorry, sir, I have got to go and
:39:40. > :39:46.do my show. Will you support me on minimum unit pricing for alcohol?
:39:46. > :39:51.Why did Cameron say he would do it and then decide, after a Cabinet
:39:51. > :39:56.discussion they claim... You know better than me how these things work
:39:56. > :40:02.behind the scenes. Don't you think we have a real problem with alcohol
:40:02. > :40:09.abuse in Britain? There are a number of areas we can try to address and
:40:09. > :40:14.needless to say we must look carefully at some of those issues. I
:40:14. > :40:19.have had a nice time, more importantly many people agreed with
:40:19. > :40:27.me and I will take that back to Alcohol Concern because this is a
:40:27. > :40:32.fight we can win. Who would have thought Alistair Campbell could find
:40:32. > :40:39.inspiration in an Elvis song. What about this minimum alcohol pricing,
:40:39. > :40:45.was Mr Cameron right to do a U-turn on it? Firstly I want to say that
:40:45. > :40:52.Alistair Campbell has done a huge amount of good in terms of attention
:40:53. > :40:56.to alcohol problems and mental illness so I am looking forward to
:40:56. > :41:01.taking his advice when I share a platform with him at the Cheltenham
:41:01. > :41:08.Festival in a couple of weeks. We won't be singing Elvis. Was he right
:41:08. > :41:11.to do a U-turn? All prime ministers are allowed to try something and
:41:11. > :41:15.change their minds. If you enter are allowed to try something and
:41:15. > :41:19.those things with a fixed point of view, it means you cannot take the
:41:19. > :41:23.advice that inevitably comes when these things become a matter of
:41:23. > :41:27.public discussion. Should he have changed his mind? I think he
:41:27. > :41:33.probably should because I don't think that was the right way of
:41:33. > :41:46.doing it. You can explain that to Alistair Campbell in Cheltenham when
:41:46. > :42:04.you see him. Now - they're terribly helpful
:42:04. > :42:07.people these Conservatives. Earlier in the week they announced they'd be
:42:07. > :42:10.extending Help To Buy then yesterday the Chancellor announced "help to
:42:10. > :42:14.work" This is the latest scheme to get the long term unemployed back to
:42:14. > :42:20.work here's Jo Co with all the details. Currently, if you've been
:42:20. > :42:24.unemployed for up to a year and want to claim the dole the you have to go
:42:24. > :42:27.on the Work Programme. This scheme provides training and help in
:42:27. > :42:31.getting back into work. But those who are still jobless after two
:42:31. > :42:34.years on the scheme will now face a tougher regime as a condition for
:42:34. > :42:37.staying on benefits. Yesterday the Chancellor announced the 'Help to
:42:37. > :42:41.Work' programme. Under the plans, the 200,000 people a year who failed
:42:41. > :42:47.to get a job under the Work Programme will lose benefits unless
:42:47. > :42:51.they take up one of three options. Six months of community work - such
:42:51. > :43:06.as making meals for the elderly, cleaning up litter and graffiti or
:43:06. > :43:09.charity work. Sign on at the JobCentre every day to search for
:43:09. > :43:12.work or undergo intense training or rehabilitation. Refusal to do so
:43:12. > :43:16.will result in the loss of benefits for up to three months. Let's have a
:43:16. > :43:20.listen to what the Work and Pensions Secretary had to to say about his
:43:20. > :43:22.plans earlier today. Today I want to tell you about those who are not
:43:22. > :43:25.plans earlier today. Today I want to committing to their obligations of
:43:25. > :43:29.work. Prior to the work programme we will pilot a mandatory attendance
:43:29. > :43:33.centre where selected individuals will receive expert support and
:43:33. > :43:40.supervision while they search and apply for jobs. That is from nine
:43:40. > :43:46.o'clock to five o'clock, 35 hours a week for up to six months simulating
:43:46. > :43:51.the working day. These pilots will be targeted at claimants who will
:43:51. > :44:03.benefit from the intense support, one pilot before the Work
:44:03. > :44:13.Programme, and one after. Alongside this, this marks the something for
:44:14. > :44:24.-- the end of the something for nothing culture. And the Secretary
:44:24. > :44:27.of State for Work and Pensions, Iain Duncan Smith, joins me now. Coming
:44:27. > :44:34.up with measures to get the unemployed back to work, that has
:44:34. > :44:39.become your life 's work so why did George Osborne make the big policy
:44:39. > :44:44.announcement yesterday? We agreed to divide up the announcements, so I am
:44:44. > :44:49.dealing with the stuff prior to the Work Programme, which will
:44:49. > :45:00.eventually be enormously helpful in making sure that we don't have to
:45:00. > :45:07.have so much work so together they make a complete package. He got the
:45:07. > :45:11.big one, didn't he? No, I believe the big one is about us targeting
:45:11. > :45:15.people who are looking like they are not able to get themselves ready for
:45:15. > :45:22.work, they are struggling, before they even get to the Work
:45:22. > :45:25.Programme, which is revolutionary. We are asking JobCentre staff to
:45:25. > :45:29.really start looking and profiling the people in front of them so they
:45:29. > :45:34.spend more time with the people who need help to get them ready and make
:45:34. > :45:39.sure that in the course of that they are not also doing something else
:45:39. > :45:46.and that is critical to making both announcements successful. As you
:45:46. > :45:51.know better than most, it has re-stirred the bad blood stories
:45:51. > :45:54.between you and the Chancellor, going back before the coalition.
:45:54. > :45:59.What do you make of this claim, which seems incredible to me, in
:45:59. > :46:06.this new book that the Chancellor regards you as thick? Well, I heard
:46:06. > :46:11.and saw him in the last couple of days saying it is completely untrue.
:46:11. > :46:14.Honestly, I've been in politics long enough and I've had plenty of
:46:14. > :46:17.insults thrown at me. The Chancellor, George and me, are very
:46:17. > :46:20.good friends and I don't think he's ever said it. If anybody believes
:46:20. > :46:27.that kind of thing out there, that's fine, I'm in good company. Margaret
:46:27. > :46:32.Thatcher was told he was not -- was told she was not intelligent enough
:46:32. > :46:34.to run the country, and so was Sir Winston Churchill. I've got the
:46:34. > :46:38.determination and drive and I will let others debate the level of
:46:38. > :46:45.intelligence I have. So he does not need to think? -- he does not think
:46:45. > :46:52.you are thick. I'm not too worried about it. You are putting great
:46:52. > :46:56.emphasis on people who are long-term unemployed to sign up and go to job
:46:56. > :46:59.centres to do a lot of things to stay at the job centres. You talked
:46:59. > :47:05.about going from nine to five. Is that because you think a lot of
:47:05. > :47:10.people on welfare or benefits are actually also working in the black
:47:10. > :47:12.economy? This is not directly set for that, but we do know two things
:47:12. > :47:16.economy? This is not directly set about this. When I go around the job
:47:16. > :47:19.centres, and you know this because you've done a lot of work in this
:47:19. > :47:23.area in the last few years, and often wrote about it, well in
:47:23. > :47:26.advance of many of us, but the reality is that what happens out
:47:26. > :47:29.there is that some people when they have left work for different issues
:47:29. > :47:34.and problems and they fall out of the habit of work, they lose morale
:47:34. > :47:38.and they cannot focus on it, really it is about getting them back ready
:47:38. > :47:41.for work. But there are also some, we know that, who are out there and
:47:41. > :47:45.deliberately playing the system. We know that, that is what the job
:47:45. > :47:49.centre staff tell us and we have a new sanction for them. We also have
:47:49. > :47:55.the mandatory work programme where we believe they are trying to do
:47:55. > :47:57.something else. We found that 70% of people just disappeared off the
:47:57. > :48:02.benefit role. This is about accommodation thing -- a combination
:48:02. > :48:08.of things, it's about getting people not ready for work ready for work
:48:08. > :48:13.before they fall out of the habit completely. You have been unemployed
:48:13. > :48:17.twice before. Do you think picking up litter or serving meals to older
:48:17. > :48:24.people help you find a job? Know, the point I am making is that the
:48:24. > :48:29.vast majority of people who fall into unemployment are incredibly
:48:29. > :48:32.motivated, something like 75 or 80% backing work in six months. You
:48:32. > :48:36.don't really have to do huge amounts with them because they are out there
:48:36. > :48:37.working and they just need a bit of assistance, not much. You then begin
:48:37. > :48:42.working and they just need a bit of to deal with those who are a
:48:42. > :48:46.distance from going back to work. It is this group, and they do it in
:48:46. > :48:50.Germany now, where they profile better than we do, to look at those
:48:50. > :48:54.who have issues and problems that are causing them to fall away from
:48:54. > :48:58.work. It is that group who you want to get back into the practice. To
:48:58. > :49:02.begin with, we want them to be in there if necessary, signing in, but
:49:02. > :49:07.also working with the staff every day to look for jobs. After the work
:49:07. > :49:11.programme, the bit about doing community work, that comes after two
:49:11. > :49:14.more years where they might struggle. Now it's the time to get
:49:14. > :49:17.them to do something every day that gives them a sense of purpose in
:49:17. > :49:24.their lives. That is really what it's all about. But you have already
:49:24. > :49:29.got this work programme, and now we have the help to work programme.
:49:29. > :49:33.They're all manners of programmes. There are almost as many programmes
:49:33. > :49:38.as unemployed people. It seems a lot of these programmes don't really
:49:38. > :49:42.work. The latest figures shows that fewer than 15% of those on the work
:49:42. > :49:49.programme have found themselves in work for at least six months. 15%.
:49:49. > :49:53.Hold on. Remember, we don't pay any of the providers until they have
:49:53. > :49:58.sustained a six-month outcome. That can take up to two starts to get to
:49:58. > :50:02.six months, but the reality is, of those going back into work is a much
:50:03. > :50:07.bigger number. There are 400,000 people now of those that they have
:50:07. > :50:11.taken on who are backing work, far more than just a six-month outcome.
:50:11. > :50:15.And remember, it's not just about getting them into work, the work
:50:15. > :50:21.programme sees three quarters of those on the first tranche who have
:50:21. > :50:24.left benefits. So it is about getting people off benefits and
:50:24. > :50:27.getting them into work. Three quarters of those have either gone
:50:27. > :50:32.back into work, sustained work, or have left the benefit roster. That
:50:32. > :50:34.is a major success. Bear in mind previously that these providers who
:50:34. > :50:37.is a major success. Bear in mind paid up front, lots of money, they
:50:37. > :50:41.never achieved anything. This is more successful than any other
:50:42. > :50:45.programme. You and your party always going on about the need to make it
:50:45. > :50:50.paid to work and it should always be more benefit -- beneficial than
:50:50. > :50:55.spending time on the dole, which is fine, why therefore have you allowed
:50:55. > :50:58.the minimum wage under the Coalition Government to fall in real terms?
:50:58. > :51:03.You are increasing it today, but it's only by pennies. If you really
:51:03. > :51:07.wanted to make it worthwhile, have a proper, higher minimum wage. Most of
:51:07. > :51:11.these people will go on to minimum wage jobs to begin with. So make it
:51:11. > :51:18.worth their while. Pay them a decent minimum wage. Well, the reason we
:51:18. > :51:22.have raised it is to start achieving the objective. But as we bring in
:51:22. > :51:25.various other changes the idea is to ensure that that first entry into
:51:25. > :51:30.work does make work pay more than being on benefits. That will happen.
:51:30. > :51:34.The debate about the minimum wage and living wage, I am clear about
:51:34. > :51:41.it. In my own department and with the contractors now, we paid a
:51:41. > :51:48.living wage. This is a debate not just with us, it's about the Labour
:51:48. > :51:55.Party. Why let it fall? We have raised the minimum wage. Not in real
:51:55. > :51:58.terms. It was the Tories who let the minimum wage fall. In picking up the
:51:58. > :52:02.pieces of a disastrous economy, first and foremost we have to ensure
:52:02. > :52:05.people get back to work. As we pick the economy we might make the
:52:05. > :52:10.changes that are necessary, but right now, honestly, the key thing
:52:10. > :52:14.is to get jobs produced. We have over 1.4 million new private jet --
:52:14. > :52:19.sector jobs that have been created as a result of the changes made. You
:52:19. > :52:22.can't do everything at once. I'm not resistant to the argument, I'm
:52:22. > :52:27.simply saying that the priority now is to get people back to work, as we
:52:27. > :52:31.know that jobs tend to develop and you'll pay tends to go up as you
:52:31. > :52:34.develop your skills. As you know, we can't cover everything in one
:52:34. > :52:37.interview, and I hope you can come back and we can cover some of the
:52:37. > :52:45.ground. Iain Duncan Smith, thank you. And with us now is Iain Duncan
:52:45. > :52:49.Smith's opposite number, Labour's Liam Byrne. Are you, and do you
:52:49. > :52:51.welcome a policy from the Conservatives that could finally
:52:51. > :52:57.address the problem of long-term unemployment? Yes, if we had a
:52:57. > :53:01.policy that we thought would do the job, we would welcome it with open
:53:01. > :53:06.arms, but that's not where we are. Why? Because the plan we heard from
:53:06. > :53:10.the Chancellor yesterday would only affect 2% of job seekers, and
:53:10. > :53:13.frankly that when make much of a difference. In terms of long-term
:53:13. > :53:18.unemployment, people who have been out of work for two years, the
:53:18. > :53:24.Tories argue that the number of households were no member has ever
:53:24. > :53:31.worked doubled under labour from 136,000 in June 1997 to 269,000 in
:53:31. > :53:36.June 2010. Do you accept that? Obviously the recession had an
:53:36. > :53:39.impact on unemployment. So, it doubled, on what they are trying to
:53:39. > :53:41.do is alleviate the number of people who are out of work longer than two
:53:41. > :53:45.do is alleviate the number of people years by taking these three stages?
:53:45. > :53:48.Do you not support that? We don't think what they have put on the
:53:48. > :53:52.table will make anywhere like enough difference. What evidence do you
:53:53. > :53:56.have for that? Look what's happened over the last couple of weeks. They
:53:57. > :54:04.show that 1 million people have now been failed by the work programme,
:54:04. > :54:07.and eight out of ten people who float through the work programme
:54:07. > :54:09.don't go on to get a steady job. Even the Chancellor of the Exchequer
:54:09. > :54:13.does not think Iain Duncan Smith is clever enough to do his job, and
:54:13. > :54:17.said when he came to the spending review that the DWP was failing in
:54:17. > :54:21.its back to work programme. This is not just the arguments of Liam
:54:21. > :54:25.Byrne, these are the arguments of the Chancellor of the Exchequer as
:54:25. > :54:28.well. Do you welcome the fact that workless households are at record
:54:28. > :54:33.lows, despite the fact we have continued to be in a recession until
:54:33. > :54:37.recently? Any progress on unemployment is good news. That must
:54:37. > :54:41.be as a result of government policy then. You have a million people out
:54:41. > :54:45.of work long term and a million young people out of work. You have a
:54:45. > :54:49.welfare bill that is £20 billion higher than before -- forecast.
:54:49. > :54:53.There is no way you can look at the figures and say well done, great
:54:53. > :54:57.job. That is why we said you need a much bigger, bolder, more radical
:54:57. > :55:00.approach. We have said there should be a two-year limit on the amount of
:55:00. > :55:04.time you can spend on jobseeker's allowance, and at that stage will
:55:04. > :55:07.benefit payment should stop and you should get a job in the private
:55:07. > :55:11.sector, and if you can't find one, we will invest in making sure their
:55:11. > :55:14.minimum wage opportunities. You would like to go for a bigger,
:55:14. > :55:18.bolder programme. But let's look again at the fact that the number of
:55:18. > :55:33.workless households, which was a big issue that you made something else
:55:33. > :55:36.-- of, is at record lows, that must have something to do with the
:55:36. > :55:37.success in some way of the welfare reforms? The unemployment figures
:55:37. > :55:39.speak for themselves. Just the workless households, because that's
:55:39. > :55:42.an indicator. You cannot duck the fact, and this is the reality, is
:55:42. > :55:45.there 1 million people who are out of work long-term, 1 million young
:55:45. > :55:48.people out of work, and those figures aren't moving. You have a
:55:48. > :55:51.work programme that we were promised would be the biggest back to work
:55:51. > :55:56.programme in human history, so big you could see it from space. We now
:55:56. > :55:59.know from the figures last year it failed 1 million people, and eight
:55:59. > :56:02.out of ten people who go through it don't actually get a steady job. You
:56:02. > :56:11.said after two years, and that is wrong. This is after three years.
:56:11. > :56:14.Remember that someone is out of work for a year, then they go onto the
:56:14. > :56:16.work programme for two years, and at that stage, after three years on
:56:16. > :56:18.welfare eight out of ten people that stage, after three years on
:56:18. > :56:21.don't get a steady job. That is a programme that is failing
:56:21. > :56:29.catastrophically. What do you say to that, Michael? Would pay Labour
:56:29. > :56:34.government spend more? You want to achieve more but spend less? We want
:56:34. > :56:39.the welfare bill to go down completely. It is a track record of
:56:39. > :56:43.failure here because they have not got the country back to work. The
:56:43. > :56:47.problem is that the Labour Party goes round the country denying it
:56:47. > :56:53.has anything to do with the economic circumstances that it left behind,
:56:53. > :56:58.and you are the man who said that, notoriously, infamously, that there
:56:58. > :57:04.is no money left. So how can we find anything that the Labour Party says
:57:04. > :57:07.credible if you can achieve more and spend less? Three years ago we were
:57:07. > :57:16.promised a welfare revolution and it was collapsed. We heard a 13 under
:57:16. > :57:21.Labour. Is employment going up or down at the moment? I think the
:57:21. > :57:28.statistics say it is going up? There's not enough work to go round,
:57:28. > :57:33.and that is why... Where is the trend? Up or down? Wages have not
:57:33. > :57:36.risen as fast as prices in the last 13 months. In my constituency, that
:57:37. > :57:38.means that living standards are being hammered. What does the
:57:38. > :57:41.means that living standards are government used to do to help? Give
:57:41. > :57:46.a tax cut to millionaires while everybody else has tax and benefit
:57:46. > :57:49.changes that means they are £820 a year worse. This is a government
:57:49. > :57:54.that stands up the privileged few while the rest of us take a kicking.
:57:54. > :57:56.Your proposal for a jobs guarantee scheme, can you see yourselves
:57:56. > :58:01.Your proposal for a jobs guarantee taking away the benefits of those
:58:01. > :58:06.who take -- do not take away a guaranteed job? Yes. There you go,
:58:06. > :58:10.you can get a straight answer. He sounds almost like a Tory at times.
:58:10. > :58:12.They may say there is no money around, but at this party conference
:58:12. > :58:17.season they have been spending it around, but at this party conference
:58:17. > :58:20.the parties like never before. Time to go, but the answer to the quiz
:58:20. > :58:29.was which of these shoes do not belong to to reason me -- to raise a
:58:29. > :58:37.May. -- to raise a May. YELLOW the wellies. It has to be those black
:58:37. > :58:39.things up the top. They belong to a Conservative MP called Cheryl
:58:39. > :58:42.Murray. The one o'clock News is starting over on BBC One o'clock
:58:42. > :58:47.news is starting over on BBC One now. We are here very early
:58:47. > :58:53.tomorrow, at 10:30am. You will have to get up early. David Cameron's big
:58:53. > :58:55.speech, we will bring you live in an to get up early. David Cameron's big
:58:55. > :58:56.interrupted tomorrow. Goodbye.