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:00:40. > :00:44.And afternoon and welcome to the Daily Politics. The Conservative

:00:44. > :00:49.list is considering withdrawing benefits from under 25-year-olds who

:00:49. > :00:52.are not in work, education or training. We will talk to the

:00:52. > :00:56.Treasury Minister Sajid Javid. Will the government's new scheme to

:00:56. > :01:03.underwrite billions of pounds' worth of new mortgages help house-buyers,

:01:03. > :01:07.or pump up a new house price bubble? Schoolkids will learn how to write

:01:07. > :01:12.computer code from next autumn. We will hear from two experts.

:01:12. > :01:16.And Adam has been meeting the party animals at conference and finding

:01:16. > :01:20.out whether activists go for the serious stuff or the socialising.

:01:21. > :01:32.Did you go to bed last night or this morning? Is my mother is watching, I

:01:32. > :01:37.was in bed at 12. 5am. What racy beasts. All that in the

:01:37. > :01:40.next hour. With me for the whole programme today, two Former Downing

:01:40. > :01:46.St insiders. Phil Collins worked for Tony Blair and now writes for the

:01:46. > :01:49.towns -- Times, and Sean Worth were in Britain with David Cameron and is

:01:49. > :01:52.now at the think-tank Policy Exchange. Let's start with some

:01:52. > :01:56.breaking news. In the last half-hour, the Labour leader Ed

:01:56. > :02:00.Miliband has released a letter he has written to the owner of the

:02:00. > :02:04.Daily Mail, Lord for the mayor, to complain about a Daily Mail reporter

:02:04. > :02:07.who he says got into a private memorial event held at Guy 's

:02:07. > :02:12.Hospital in London for his uncle, who died earlier this year. I am

:02:12. > :02:15.joined now by our political correspondent, who is outside the

:02:15. > :02:21.Daily Mail headquarters. What is at Miliband asking your brother made to

:02:21. > :02:24.do? He is asking the owner of the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday to

:02:24. > :02:29.instigate an investigation into what happened yesterday. This was meant

:02:30. > :02:34.to be a private memorial service for the Miliband family and close

:02:34. > :02:39.colleagues of Professor Harry Keane, an eminent doctor who died recently.

:02:39. > :02:40.At that event, a reporter from the Mail on Sunday apparently

:02:40. > :02:43.At that event, a reporter from the infiltrated it and was asking

:02:44. > :02:46.members of his family about his late father and about the row over the

:02:46. > :02:51.Daily Mail story from last weekend, saying that Ralph Miliband, Ed's

:02:51. > :02:56.Rather hated Britain. Ed Miliband says this crosses a line of common

:02:56. > :03:02.decency, but he's not going to the press complaints commission about

:03:02. > :03:06.this. This comes a week before the privy Council discusses a much

:03:07. > :03:10.tougher form of press regulation, on which the Daily Mail opposes. He is

:03:10. > :03:16.saying to look for the mayor, time to put your house in order. Has the

:03:16. > :03:21.Daily Mail responded? They have not responded yet. But as you said, this

:03:21. > :03:27.only happened in the last half-hour. I am told a Labour Party official

:03:27. > :03:33.will turn up here with an official copy of the letter, but there has

:03:33. > :03:38.been no response yet. What will this meeting do in terms of looking ahead

:03:38. > :03:42.to what is now being seen as a battle between the Daily Mail and

:03:42. > :03:48.what they see as Ed Miliband and his support for strong press regulation?

:03:48. > :03:56.Ed Miliband could have decided to lower the temperature today.

:03:56. > :04:00.Instead, he has decided to increase the temperature considerably and

:04:00. > :04:05.roared on the attack to the Mail on Sunday. This comes just a week

:04:05. > :04:08.before this meeting, as I say. There are two different forms of press

:04:08. > :04:13.relations being discussed, one which the press quite liked, and a tougher

:04:13. > :04:17.one, the statutory underpinning, which they are discussing next week.

:04:17. > :04:22.The Daily Mail says that is an attack on press freedom. In its own

:04:22. > :04:25.pages, it has said that by Ed Miliband talking about the

:04:25. > :04:29.boundaries that newspapers should keep two, this was a sinister

:04:29. > :04:33.response, on the row shows that you should not allow politicians

:04:33. > :04:37.anywhere near the press. But what has actually happened today was

:04:37. > :04:43.across the political spectrum. Nick Clegg expressed sympathy for Ed

:04:43. > :04:48.Miliband and denounced the Daily Mail, saying it vilified Britain.

:04:48. > :04:51.Francis Maude said something similar. There is a possibility that

:04:51. > :04:53.the Daily Mail have shot themselves in the foot and weakened their case

:04:53. > :04:58.the Daily Mail have shot themselves for press freedom.

:04:58. > :05:02.If you hear any response from the Daily Mail while we are now, we will

:05:02. > :05:08.come back to you. Sean Worth, has the Daily Mail crossed the line in

:05:08. > :05:14.terms of sending a reporter to this private memorial gathering?

:05:14. > :05:21.Absolutely. Ed Miliband's reaction has not been about this regulation.

:05:21. > :05:25.This seems to be personal, exactly the way he responded to the initial

:05:25. > :05:29.article about his father. The prime minister and other politicians have

:05:29. > :05:33.been saying that others would react in the same way. So he was right to

:05:33. > :05:39.go after them, because on this occasion, they overstepped the mark.

:05:39. > :05:45.What do you think Lord for the mayor and the Daily Mail will do? They

:05:45. > :05:49.will probably double up. It is impossible to fathom what they are

:05:49. > :05:51.doing. I think they crossed the line before with the original article,

:05:51. > :05:57.which was a worthless piece of rubbish. Then they crossed it again

:05:57. > :06:01.when they reprinted it, alongside Ed Miliband's Right to reply. When you

:06:01. > :06:05.say rubbish, are you talking about the headline? We already knew much

:06:05. > :06:09.of the substance about Ralph Miliband in terms of his lyrical

:06:09. > :06:15.leanings. So do you think all of the article was rubbish, or the

:06:15. > :06:19.headline? The supposition that he hated Britain is nonsensical. Nobody

:06:19. > :06:22.who landed on the Normandy beaches or was in the Royal Navy has to beg

:06:22. > :06:26.for the right to be thought of as a British patriotic op Ralph Miliband

:06:26. > :06:31.did more in a day's work than any hack will ever do. So the idea that

:06:31. > :06:35.a few scattered remarks could constitute hating Britain was

:06:35. > :06:39.absurd. You said Ed Miliband's stance has not been about beefing up

:06:39. > :06:44.as revelation, but the Daily Mail see it in that way. They feel there

:06:44. > :06:49.is a battle. They have tried to link his father's views and the fact that

:06:49. > :06:55.his father influenced Ed Miliband, and what could happen with press

:06:55. > :06:59.regulation. Are they want? I agree with most of what Phil says about

:06:59. > :07:02.the original article, but Ed Miliband does write about the

:07:02. > :07:07.influence of his parents on his political views. So there are

:07:07. > :07:11.journalists that want to go into that. But you are right, when it

:07:11. > :07:21.became personal about that individual, that was wrong. It is a

:07:21. > :07:27.family thing, not about regulation. On that front, many people have

:07:27. > :07:31.sympathy with him. I suspect it will not alter the Leveson argument in

:07:31. > :07:35.the end. I think it was likely that the outcome would be to choose the

:07:35. > :07:40.cross-party consensus deal anyway, which would then lead to a stalemate

:07:40. > :07:46.with the press. I don't take that has changed.

:07:46. > :07:51.Now, time for our daily quiz. The question for today is, what new

:07:51. > :07:55.access arena was Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, spotted wearing

:07:55. > :08:00.yesterday? Was it a trilby, a cravat, a pair of glasses or a

:08:00. > :08:04.monocle? At the end of the show, Phil and Sean have the honour and

:08:04. > :08:08.privilege of giving us the correct cancer.

:08:08. > :08:13.So, the three main party conferences are over for another year. It was a

:08:13. > :08:17.busy few weeks, with all three party leaders trying to woo voters with

:08:17. > :08:19.shining new policies and positive messages. Let's look back at some of

:08:19. > :08:22.the main announcements. Wicklow messages. Let's look back at some of

:08:22. > :08:26.tried to attract as with stories of how the Lib Dems have softened the

:08:26. > :08:32.nasty Tories and promised free school meals for all infants. Ed

:08:32. > :08:36.Miliband tried to seduce us with his vow to address the cost of living

:08:36. > :08:41.crisis. He said he would build 200 as new homes each year by 2020 and

:08:41. > :08:45.freeze energy bills until March 2017. David Cameron's pitch was

:08:45. > :08:49.about sticking to the course and showing us that only the

:08:49. > :08:53.Conservatives can build a land of opportunity. He promised to make the

:08:53. > :08:57.dream of home ownership a reality for more people by bringing forward

:08:57. > :09:02.his Help To Buy mortgage guarantee scheme, now starting next week. He

:09:02. > :09:05.also pledged to clamp down on welfare claimants who refuse to

:09:05. > :09:10.work, and end the automatic entitlement housing benefit and

:09:11. > :09:14.jobseeker's allowance for under 25s. There are still over a million

:09:14. > :09:21.young people not in education, employment or training. Today, it is

:09:21. > :09:26.still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming

:09:26. > :09:32.housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. Isn't it time for bold

:09:32. > :09:36.action here? We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that

:09:36. > :09:41.option should exist at all. Instead, we should give young people a clear

:09:41. > :09:46.and positive choice. Go to school, go to college, do an apprenticeship,

:09:46. > :09:53.get a job. But just choose the dole? We have got to offer them something

:09:53. > :09:55.better. We have been joined by the Treasury minister Sajid Javid and

:09:55. > :10:01.the Liberal Democrat MP Julian Huppert. Sajid Javid, the majority

:10:01. > :10:08.of the blunder 25 who are claiming housing benefit have dependents. How

:10:08. > :10:11.would this policy affect them? Well, David Cameron announced a high-level

:10:11. > :10:15.announcement yesterday around the direction of Conservative Lizzie,

:10:15. > :10:24.something we plan to put into our manifesto. -- Conservative policy.

:10:24. > :10:27.For under 25s, there will be two options, burning on learning. That

:10:27. > :10:32.is not just because it is the right thing to do for those individuals,

:10:32. > :10:34.but it is also right for hard-working taxpayers who are

:10:34. > :10:40.paying for these benefits. So that will affect under 25s claiming

:10:40. > :10:46.housing benefits who have children? It will affect all under 25s. You

:10:46. > :10:51.could take that argument to someone who loses their job, they are out of

:10:51. > :10:54.work temporarily. Maybe they have not signed up for a course, they

:10:54. > :11:01.lose their benefit, their family could be out on the street? There is

:11:02. > :11:10.a lot of detail to work out, because this is something we will get ready

:11:10. > :11:15.in our manifesto. There are not answers yet. People might be worried

:11:15. > :11:21.if they are in their situation, and with the fluctuating job market,

:11:21. > :11:29.people will be concerned. That is why we want to set out policy. But

:11:29. > :11:34.you don't know the detail yet 's it will also depend on a Conservative

:11:34. > :11:38.majority government, but our intention is clear. Thousands of

:11:38. > :11:43.young people slide into a life on benefits when they leave compulsory

:11:43. > :11:47.education. That is not acceptable. Julian Huppert, shouldn't there be a

:11:47. > :11:53.straightforward choice, you either find a job or get training, or you

:11:53. > :11:56.lose your benefits? It is helpful to see this message coming from the

:11:56. > :12:00.Conservatives. This is the sort of thing we have stopped from happening

:12:00. > :12:05.while we have been in government, this sort of unpleasant approach. We

:12:05. > :12:11.do need to help young people get into employment or training. But

:12:11. > :12:16.taking away the support that many of them desperately need will not help.

:12:16. > :12:19.There are too many of these people, the numbers started shooting at a

:12:19. > :12:23.decade ago when the economy was doing well. The last government let

:12:23. > :12:29.them down. We have stopped the growth. It is about providing

:12:29. > :12:35.opportunities, helping people to learn and earn, not punishing the

:12:35. > :12:38.most vulnerable. For we get onto whether you are punishing the

:12:38. > :12:42.vulnerable, do you agree that the Liberal Democrats have stopped your

:12:42. > :12:50.unpleasant, as Julian says, policy? No. This is a coalition government.

:12:50. > :12:55.We have different points of view. You could not introduce it under a

:12:55. > :13:00.coalition. If Julian represents all Lib Dems, then we couldn't. This is

:13:00. > :13:04.for our manifesto, but it sets a clear direction and builds on the

:13:04. > :13:10.reform of the welfare system under Iain Duncan Smith and our reforms

:13:10. > :13:15.under Michael Gove. But isn't the problem is that there are not enough

:13:15. > :13:19.jobs around for young people? 1 million young people unemployed, and

:13:19. > :13:26.taking away their benefit will punish them 's well, jobs are being

:13:26. > :13:30.created. But how many young people are unemployed? Youth unemployed and

:13:30. > :13:32.is falling, but it is still a problem. Part of dealing with that

:13:32. > :13:35.is falling, but it is still a issue is having a welfare system

:13:35. > :13:41.that helps people get into the world of work, but also having an

:13:41. > :13:47.education system that gives them the skills that companies want. Julian,

:13:47. > :13:51.it costs £1.2 billion a year. You yourself say there are too many

:13:51. > :13:58.young people in this situation. You need a it. B we have already stopped

:13:58. > :14:02.this from happening. This was pushed for by Conservatives in previous

:14:02. > :14:05.budgets. We discussed this and stopped it from happening. We do

:14:05. > :14:09.need to do more will stop some of that is about getting rid of some of

:14:09. > :14:13.the benefit traps. I had an autistic man who worked in my office who was

:14:13. > :14:16.only allowed to work for six hours a week because if he worked for any

:14:16. > :14:20.more, he ended up with less money. He was applying for jobs and

:14:20. > :14:22.eventually found a full-time job, but stopping him on being able to go

:14:22. > :14:26.eventually found a full-time job, to ten or 16 hours was ridiculous. I

:14:26. > :14:32.am pleased that we are getting rid to ten or 16 hours was ridiculous. I

:14:32. > :14:35.of that. It has to be about things like the Deputy Prime Minister's

:14:35. > :14:40.youth contract to help young people, rather than to hit them hard. I have

:14:40. > :14:44.taken the YMCA to see Iain Duncan Smith to talk about the people who

:14:44. > :14:49.are living in the YMCA who need help, who don't have a family to go

:14:49. > :14:53.back to. The politics of this are interesting, Sean Worth, as we see

:14:53. > :15:01.the coalition partners divert from each other? Very. You hit the nail

:15:01. > :15:11.on the head when you talked about detail. Look at something like the

:15:11. > :15:17.bedroom tax, spare room subsidy, depending on which party you are in.

:15:17. > :15:23.Human stories started to come out of that where there were anomalies.

:15:23. > :15:27.Then you see the public support starts to evaporate. So as long as

:15:27. > :15:34.the Tories do some decent work on that, so that we don't see these

:15:34. > :15:37.anomalies such as disabled people's medical rooms being brought into

:15:37. > :15:48.this, it could be some support. Do you agree? No, I think it would be a

:15:48. > :15:51.disaster. It is not the case that everyone is thinking, I will either

:15:51. > :15:56.joined McKinsey or I will go on the dole. The vast majority of people

:15:56. > :15:59.will have to go into some form of training. Where will that come

:15:59. > :16:07.from? We don't have the provision for that. Where would the money come

:16:07. > :16:14.from, Sajid Javid? Of course there will be a demand for training. And

:16:14. > :16:18.where would the money come from? As we work out the detail, I can give

:16:18. > :16:22.you more information if you invite me back. We certainly will. I just

:16:22. > :16:27.think it is interesting over this period that both the Liberal

:16:27. > :16:30.Democrats and the Conservatives, despite boasting about being

:16:30. > :16:33.fiscally disciplined, have been announcing things that will cost

:16:33. > :16:39.money. If the end result is that more people end up in work and not a

:16:40. > :16:46.life of benefits, it is good for them and good for the economy. We

:16:46. > :16:48.have costed up looking at long-term unemployment, and the coalition will

:16:48. > :16:54.look at introducing that from April next year, and it will cost £300

:16:54. > :16:58.million in the short term. We are willing to make that investment

:16:58. > :17:04.because it will help the long-term unemployed to get the help they want

:17:04. > :17:09.to get back into work. One of the great policy failures in Britain in

:17:09. > :17:13.the last 50 years has been the lack of provision for people who don't go

:17:13. > :17:18.through academic courses and on to university, and David Cameron has

:17:18. > :17:21.said he is going to fix that. This is a colossal task he has set

:17:21. > :17:26.himself, and I don't get any sense that you understand the scale. We

:17:26. > :17:30.have had a dysfunctional welfare system for many years, and the

:17:30. > :17:34.changes that Iain Duncan Smith is brought about, the introduction of

:17:34. > :17:37.universal credit and some of the other changes mentioned, they are

:17:37. > :17:41.not easy, and they might have teething issues. Added is the right

:17:41. > :17:44.direction of policy, because we can't continue to have a welfare

:17:44. > :17:47.system that denies people the right to work by giving them the wrong

:17:47. > :17:52.incentives and a budget that is out of control. Welfare spending under

:17:52. > :17:58.the previous government went up by 57%, and that is unacceptable.

:17:58. > :18:01.Thank you very much. The big theme of David Cameron's conference speech

:18:01. > :18:07.yesterday was making Britain a land of opportunity. Here he is talking

:18:07. > :18:10.about the Government's plan to underwrite new mortgages up to the

:18:10. > :18:14.value of £600,000. In a land of opportunity, we must

:18:14. > :18:17.make sure that more people are able to own a home of their own. Your

:18:17. > :18:21.make sure that more people are able home is your castle. For most young

:18:21. > :18:32.people today, their home is their landlord's. It is starting to make

:18:32. > :18:35.them wonder why they bother. They are stuck in rental accommodation

:18:35. > :18:39.when they are desperate to buy. I met a couple on Sunday, Emily and

:18:39. > :18:43.James. They both had decent jobs, but because they didn't have rich

:18:43. > :18:48.parents, they couldn't get big big enough deposit to buy a house. And

:18:48. > :18:52.let me tell you where I met them. In their new home, built in their help

:18:52. > :18:56.to buy mortgage scheme. It was still half built, but they showed me where

:18:56. > :18:59.the kitchen was going to be. Outside was rubble all over the ground, but

:18:59. > :19:04.they had already bought a lawn mower. They talked about how excited

:19:04. > :19:09.they were to be spending their first Christmas in a home of their own. My

:19:10. > :19:12.friends, that is what we are about, and the party of aspiration will

:19:12. > :19:16.finish the job on home ownership that we started.

:19:16. > :19:19.Sajid Javid is still with us. David Cameron says that this is gay to

:19:19. > :19:23.help young people buy their first home. But if you look at the figures

:19:23. > :19:29.involved, this scheme will be out of reach for many people. The average

:19:29. > :19:37.house in the UK costs £242,000, so a 95% mortgage means you would have to

:19:37. > :19:41.borrow £230,000. You would need a salary of over £57,000 to avoid

:19:41. > :19:46.that. That is beyond the reach of many, many people. This isn't a

:19:46. > :19:53.scheme just for young people. It is a scheme for everyone. That would

:19:53. > :19:58.apply to everyone. Many people in their late 30s or even 40s still

:19:58. > :20:01.haven't managed to buy a home will stop and the figure that you are

:20:01. > :20:09.using is not the average price of a first home, that would be a lot

:20:09. > :20:12.less. Everyone I have ever met aspires to own their own home. We

:20:13. > :20:17.want to help them with that. It is perfectly natural. There are

:20:17. > :20:20.millions of people out there, young and not so young, who can afford

:20:20. > :20:24.payments, and the Prime Minister gave an example in his speech, but

:20:24. > :20:28.they don't have the savings for the deposit. Ten or 15 years ago, the

:20:28. > :20:38.average deposit required was around £10,000. Today it is closer to

:20:38. > :20:42.£30,000. In the early 2000s, it would take you for five years to

:20:42. > :20:49.save that, but now it will take you 25 years. If people haven't got

:20:49. > :20:54.access to a big pot of savings or rich parents, they can't afford

:20:54. > :20:58.those homes. But because they have got the income, they can afford the

:20:58. > :21:01.mortgage repayments. I understand the thinking behind it, but I'm

:21:01. > :21:03.trying to work out who it is going to help. The sorts of people you are

:21:03. > :21:05.talking about who don't have that to help. The sorts of people you are

:21:06. > :21:09.income or help from parents, what to help. The sorts of people you are

:21:09. > :21:15.sort of salary, in your mind, does someone have to earn to benefit from

:21:15. > :21:19.this scheme, if you say my £230,000 for an average home is not the price

:21:19. > :21:22.of an average first-time home. Let's take the example the Brymon is to.

:21:22. > :21:27.of an average first-time home. Let's The two individuals -- let's take

:21:27. > :21:35.the example the Prime Minister referred to. Those two individuals

:21:35. > :21:39.had an income of £25,000 each, and they can easily afford payments even

:21:39. > :21:42.on a 95% mortgage, even once you they can easily afford payments even

:21:42. > :21:46.stress test them and allow for changes in interest rates in the

:21:46. > :21:52.future. Banks are now obligated to do that. But they don't have rich

:21:52. > :21:56.parents. And you often find that people who criticise this scheme,

:21:56. > :22:02.they have their own homes, they have rich parents, and it doesn't really

:22:02. > :22:04.touch them that much, when it does actually affect a lot of people that

:22:04. > :22:08.touch them that much, when it does don't have rich parents, but they

:22:08. > :22:12.can afford the payments. If you are trying to help first-time buyers,

:22:12. > :22:18.why does the scheme need to go up to houses worth £600,000? I didn't say

:22:18. > :22:22.it was just for first-time buyers. It is designed to help both

:22:22. > :22:27.first-time buyers and also people that wish to move up the housing

:22:27. > :22:31.ladder. That is a big leap up the housing ladder! Why aren't you

:22:31. > :22:33.focusing just on lower valued houses, or as you say, first-time

:22:33. > :22:37.buyers, since they are the ones who houses, or as you say, first-time

:22:37. > :22:42.need the leg up the ladder. As you know, throughout the United Kingdom,

:22:43. > :22:47.especially in the south-east, you will see a big differentiation in

:22:47. > :22:50.prices. If you are a family of three or four in the south-east, it might

:22:50. > :22:55.be the cost of the home that you need. But it is not just the

:22:55. > :22:58.south-east. If you look at the south-west, people have paid ten

:22:58. > :23:04.times over their average income in order to meet mortgage payments. It

:23:04. > :23:09.isn't just a south-east problem. Is it going to work or is it going to

:23:09. > :23:10.cause a housing bubble? I take some of your points, and I appreciate

:23:11. > :23:14.that this is a serious problem and of your points, and I appreciate

:23:14. > :23:18.it is difficult to find policy, but if this were a Labour scheme, you

:23:18. > :23:22.would be saying, don't these economic illiterate understand that

:23:22. > :23:27.if you just throw more money at something with constraints applied,

:23:27. > :23:35.the price will go up. Answer that question. 10% rises in London. We

:23:35. > :23:38.have a whole list here of mortgage experts, Declan Curran from home

:23:38. > :23:47.fixed direct says that it is likely to create a house price bubble. You

:23:47. > :23:55.are creating the next credit crunch. If left unchecked. If there was a

:23:55. > :23:58.capacity constraint in the market, evidence of a capacity problem, I

:23:58. > :24:04.would be concerned. What is your benchmark? Annual house construction

:24:04. > :24:09.fell to its lowest level since the 1920s under the previous government.

:24:09. > :24:14.It is up 33% since then, but it is still one third below its long-term

:24:14. > :24:17.average. If you are a housing company, and you know there might be

:24:17. > :24:22.more mortgage availability because of this scheme, it helps disperse

:24:22. > :24:26.apply, but to make sure, and to deal with that left unchecked point, we

:24:26. > :24:33.have given powers quite clearly to the Bank of England... And they are

:24:33. > :24:39.worried about it! Know they are not. We have asked them to look at it

:24:39. > :24:45.every September and report back to the government. Is that doing

:24:45. > :24:48.enough? You have to get supply moving, and there is no reason to

:24:48. > :24:53.suppose that you are going to be able to. It is more valuable for the

:24:53. > :24:59.companies to sit on the land. What has changed all that? Why will

:24:59. > :25:06.housing supply suddenly start moving? Some of the planning changes

:25:06. > :25:10.we have made... That won't revolutionise supply in the sort of

:25:10. > :25:18.numbers that you and Ed Miliband are talking about. We have to go on the

:25:18. > :25:21.facts. In the last year, there was a 49% increase in the number of units

:25:21. > :25:26.approved by local authorities, and that is a step in the right

:25:26. > :25:28.direction. Yesterday we heard from the latest PMI reports that

:25:28. > :25:33.construction is rising at its fastest level since ten years ago.

:25:33. > :25:38.It is heading in the right direction, but we need to be

:25:38. > :25:43.vigilant and stay on top of it. Is this good politics and bad

:25:44. > :25:47.economics? The key difference between this and the previous

:25:47. > :25:51.housing bubble is not just the sub-prime, and the wider policy

:25:51. > :25:55.about land release and planning reform. It is the fact that the

:25:55. > :25:59.government is in control of releasing the extra credit into the

:25:59. > :26:05.economy, and as you have just said there, and this hasn't been a big

:26:05. > :26:09.part of the message, to say that you can just turn the taps off. It was a

:26:09. > :26:16.race to the bottom by sub-prime lending by the banks. But the key

:26:16. > :26:21.difference and this is where the right needs to support these

:26:21. > :26:26.measures, the Government can intervene, turn the taps on, monitor

:26:26. > :26:31.this every year, turn it down a bit if it does heat things up too much.

:26:31. > :26:34.One of the issues is the supply issue, and we have yet to see how

:26:34. > :26:39.many homes are built over the next few years. The other issue is the

:26:39. > :26:43.taxpayer underwriting loans where people could in future default. Is

:26:44. > :26:48.that a risk that you are comfortable with, bearing in mind that we could

:26:48. > :26:50.seem ace rate of interest rates rise, not for a few years, but then

:26:50. > :26:54.seem ace rate of interest rates what happens. It is a risk the

:26:54. > :26:56.taxpayer doesn't really have, and the reason is that when we announce

:26:56. > :27:00.this next week, it is clear that it the reason is that when we announce

:27:00. > :27:09.is commercially priced, so it is priced in a way that the Government

:27:09. > :27:12.will break even on this. So there is no effective taxpayer subsidy, and

:27:12. > :27:20.that is what makes it even more powerful. Sajid Javid, thank you.

:27:20. > :27:24.Finishing the job. Britain can do better than this. A stronger economy

:27:24. > :27:31.and a better society. Three better still -- messages from three

:27:31. > :27:37.different party leaders. But can you tell which?

:27:37. > :27:44.There are some of us, Mr Chairman, who will fight and fight and fight

:27:44. > :27:49.again to save the party we love. The Britain that is going to be forged

:27:49. > :27:53.in the white heat of this revolution will be no place for restrictive

:27:53. > :27:59.practices of outdated methods on either side of industry. I have only

:27:59. > :28:11.one thing to say. You turn if you want to, but the Lady's not for

:28:11. > :28:19.turning. And you end in the grotesque chaos of a Labour council,

:28:19. > :28:24.a Labour council hiring taxis to scuttle around the city handing out

:28:24. > :28:28.redundancy notices to its own workers. We have to have our

:28:28. > :28:35.agreements in public and our disagreements in Private. This is a

:28:35. > :28:40.modern party living in an age of change. It requires a modern

:28:40. > :28:50.constitution that says what we are in terms the public and understand

:28:50. > :28:54.-- cannot misunderstand. Tony Blair, looking a little younger there. Your

:28:54. > :29:00.favourite of the three conferences this year? I thought Ed Miliband's

:29:00. > :29:05.was the best performance. I am not sure it will last is content. A bit

:29:05. > :29:13.calmer and's was solid and workmanlike, and although it will be

:29:13. > :29:21.instantly forgotten, in a sense, that was the point -- David

:29:21. > :29:33.Cameron's was solid and workmanlike. The decision to be Dell was probably

:29:33. > :29:40.the right one. -- to be dull. Is that right? You would think that the

:29:40. > :29:49.pressure would be more on David Cameron to produce more. I think the

:29:49. > :29:55.key difference this year is that normally in this kind of period in a

:29:55. > :30:00.Parliament, you would be expecting an election in May. But this is a

:30:00. > :30:06.fixed term Parliament, so you don't need to air these things. It was

:30:06. > :30:11.workmanlike because it had to set out a clear stall. Nick Clegg,

:30:12. > :30:16.exactly the same, but for policy reasons. And there was some of the

:30:16. > :30:20.theatre about the dog and all the reasons. And there was some of the

:30:20. > :30:27.rest of it. Yes, the personal stories. But Ed Miliband had a

:30:27. > :30:31.rest of it. Yes, the personal bigger problem going into the

:30:31. > :30:35.conferences, he had to do something to give him cut through, and the

:30:35. > :30:47.freezing of the energy prices policy, to some extent, did that. It

:30:47. > :30:50.has excited the attention of people who don't normally watch politics.

:30:50. > :30:56.And it is a web conference speech that does that. Most of them don't.

:30:56. > :30:59.The clips you saw were all big political moments and descriptions

:30:59. > :31:04.of major political events. My favourite was Neil Kinnock's

:31:04. > :31:08.magnificent speech. It was a really big moment. There was nothing

:31:08. > :31:09.comparable in these conferences that was sufficiently big for anyone to

:31:09. > :31:15.hang a speech on how we will was sufficiently big for anyone to

:31:15. > :31:17.remember for anyone. What about Nick Clegg? He had a confident

:31:17. > :31:21.performance. He probably thinks he Clegg? He had a confident

:31:21. > :31:25.has got over the worst. There is no serious challenge to his leadership.

:31:25. > :31:31.Maybe he felt liberated by that. Yeah, the Lib Dems I spoke to at

:31:31. > :31:36.that conference came back happy. They had had some sort of permission

:31:36. > :31:43.to go into any government in the next Parliament. Trident, they got

:31:43. > :31:48.through energy. They are not obsessed with constitutional reform

:31:48. > :31:52.in the way they were in the past. On the point about catching the

:31:52. > :31:58.imagination, Ed Miliband got all the headlines. But I was captured by the

:31:58. > :32:02.other thing he did, which was go on to the Tories' turf about small

:32:02. > :32:06.businesses. When you are an opposition leader, the way to

:32:06. > :32:10.capture attention is to be controversial, but also to be

:32:10. > :32:15.counterintuitive. To me, this was the first time I really saw him

:32:15. > :32:21.starting to work as an opposition leader. He has a personal

:32:21. > :32:28.credibility problem, so policy is the thing. The rhythm of conferences

:32:28. > :32:31.and has been interrupted. Do you think next year, they will be

:32:31. > :32:35.and has been interrupted. Do you barnstormers? Not necessarily. But

:32:35. > :32:39.they will be different, because we will then be a year from an

:32:39. > :32:44.election, and there will be a desire to be prime ministerial on the part

:32:44. > :32:49.of all three. Nick Clegg, you never used to get Liberal Democrat leaders

:32:49. > :32:53.doing prime ministerial speeches, but now you do, and they like it.

:32:53. > :32:56.There was a weird passage where he detailed a lot of things that had

:32:56. > :33:01.not happened, but would have happened, had it not been for the

:33:01. > :33:07.Liberal Democrats. It is a novelty in political rhetoric. These things

:33:07. > :33:11.have not happened, let's cheer! Now, we are going to imagine the scene.

:33:11. > :33:16.A party conference is. You are looking to have a good time. Listen

:33:16. > :33:20.to a discussion on infrastructure investment and regional growth, or

:33:20. > :33:23.check out the drinks reception and parties on the conference fringe?

:33:23. > :33:28.Adam has been finding out what kind of party animals go to Conservative

:33:28. > :33:31.Party conference. Let's get to the truth of why these

:33:32. > :33:41.people are actually here. Is it for the party, or is it really for the

:33:41. > :33:49.parties? That is an easy one, the parties. What is the best party you

:33:49. > :33:54.have into? Reception. Why was it so good? It was a great laugh. The

:33:54. > :33:59.have into? Reception. Why was it so serious stuff, but that is most

:33:59. > :34:03.important. But I love the social stuff. I will go for the parties,

:34:03. > :34:09.because they don't stage manage that. When did you go to bed last

:34:09. > :34:17.night? If my mother is watching, I was in bed at 12. 5am, I got home.

:34:17. > :34:22.That is hard-core. Go and vote. Loving the vote is. The drink is

:34:22. > :34:30.good, but the party is important, and it is the best party. The party

:34:30. > :34:39.stuff, absolutely. Yesterday, we went to one with Liam Fox. Is he a

:34:39. > :34:43.party animal? I imagine so. Which led to go party has the best

:34:44. > :34:50.parties? Obviously, the Conservatives know how to party. The

:34:50. > :34:57.Labour Party like karaoke. But we know how to do it properly! Can I

:34:57. > :35:09.put one in each? OK. I don't want to spoil the party spirit. The party,

:35:09. > :35:13.of course. You like a night out, don't you? No matter though I

:35:13. > :35:19.enjoyed the politics and the people who make up the party and seeing

:35:19. > :35:23.what's of friends. The party is first and the parties are second.

:35:23. > :35:30.What is more important, the part of political stuff all the parties?

:35:30. > :35:35.Which do you prefer? Governing. He says governing is more fun than a

:35:35. > :35:44.party. Best party was the south-west area deception last night. Prime

:35:44. > :35:48.minister Cameron turned up. You have to be pretty sad to love the

:35:48. > :35:59.Conservative Party more than a free pint, so I have to say the parties.

:35:59. > :36:08.Cheers. I had you down as a partying man? No, I am a Presbyterian. What

:36:08. > :36:13.is the latest you have been to bed this week 's I am always tucked up

:36:13. > :36:17.before mid-night. You don't have to choose, you get both at a

:36:17. > :36:21.conference. The Conservative grassroots are clearly a bunch of

:36:21. > :36:24.party animals, although more people have gone for the serious side than

:36:24. > :36:31.the frivolous side. I have got some party invites. See you later.

:36:31. > :36:36.We have not seen Adam Fleming since then! You are watching the Daily

:36:36. > :36:39.Politics, and we have been joined by viewers in Scotland, who have been

:36:39. > :36:42.Politics, and we have been joined by watching First Minister's Questions

:36:42. > :36:45.from Holyrood. Phil Collins from the Times and Sean were from the

:36:45. > :36:48.politics to enjoy with me. Did you believe the cabinet minister is when

:36:48. > :36:58.they said they didn't do the parties? I cannot believe they don't

:36:58. > :37:01.go to some. I have seen them at some. Maybe you would go to bed

:37:01. > :37:06.early if you had a media meeting in the morning. The Conservative

:37:06. > :37:09.conference is a great time to let your hair down and meet everybody,

:37:09. > :37:15.so I am not surprised the parties won over the politics. Attendants

:37:15. > :37:22.follows a political cycle. In the first few years, they go to all of

:37:22. > :37:26.them. By year four, they stop going. By year five, they don't go to

:37:26. > :37:29.anything. By then, you have got no friends in the press, so you think,

:37:29. > :37:40.I am not going to the Guardian's party. I think if the food and drink

:37:40. > :37:45.are good, it is enough. I tend not to go to parties where Liam Fox is

:37:45. > :37:50.the main attraction. I am sure that will put him off inviting you to the

:37:50. > :37:52.next one. Now, according to Education

:37:52. > :37:56.Secretary Michael Gove, one of the big things to come out of David

:37:56. > :37:57.Cameron's speech yesterday was a commitment to teaching

:37:58. > :38:02.schoolchildren in England how to write computer programmes. On next

:38:02. > :38:06.September, all five to 14-year-olds in state schools will be taught how

:38:06. > :38:09.to code as part of a number of changes to the national curriculum

:38:09. > :38:13.designed to prepare children for the modern workplace. But our school

:38:13. > :38:17.kids up for it? BBC Breakfast spoke to some of those taking part in a

:38:17. > :38:22.national event that brings young coders together. When I write a

:38:22. > :38:31.piece of code, it is exciting to see what it does and in what ways it

:38:31. > :38:38.breaks. It is exciting to imagine that you have made this to do that.

:38:38. > :38:44.I was looking on Google, and I couldn't find an episode list or

:38:44. > :38:51.website, so I thought I would make one. I am very good at web design.

:38:51. > :38:57.It was £60,000 per year on job centre! I love the confidence! I am

:38:57. > :39:00.joined now by Clive Beal, the director of educational development

:39:00. > :39:03.at raspberry pie, and Emma Mulqueeny, who set up an

:39:03. > :39:10.organisation which finds and brings together young coders, some of whom

:39:10. > :39:15.we saw in that film. Clive, we had better explain what you have got in

:39:15. > :39:21.front of us -- in front of you. Tell us about raspberry pie? It is an

:39:21. > :39:26.educational charity. We want to support young people to get them

:39:26. > :39:31.into computing and learn to code and be creative. How difficult is it? I

:39:31. > :39:35.am a bit of a Luddite, but that is partly my age. Looking at these

:39:35. > :39:41.youngsters, they are so much better. Is that worldly the case for most

:39:41. > :39:47.kids? Absolutely. I think we patronise them at an early age, but

:39:47. > :39:50.if you show them the basics, they will blow you away. Show us the

:39:50. > :39:59.basics. How much does that contraption cost? You can buy a

:39:59. > :40:03.Raspberry Pi full £30. That was one of the criteria behind it. You can

:40:03. > :40:12.buy your own computer for £20 to £30. It is a general purpose

:40:12. > :40:17.computer. We designed it to be accessible, so we have got pins on

:40:17. > :40:23.here that I can connect to the outside world. You can put in a

:40:23. > :40:29.phone charger or nest the card. We have got some programming language

:40:29. > :40:33.on here. This one is designed for eight to 14-year-olds to get them

:40:33. > :40:39.into programming. It is a visual programming language. Show us

:40:39. > :40:49.exactly what that can do, in simple terms? So I have got a little cat on

:40:49. > :40:53.the stage. If I clicked on this, he moves about, which is not that much

:40:53. > :40:59.fun, but then I can go and stick it in a loop that goes on for ever. And

:40:59. > :41:05.I can stop him from bouncing on the edge. Really easy to get into for

:41:05. > :41:11.younger children, and they love it. Is that the sort of thing that can

:41:11. > :41:16.get them going? Yes. And most of them will start with a simple

:41:16. > :41:19.programming thing like that. But actually, there are very few

:41:19. > :41:23.children that have access to this kind of stuff, because it has not

:41:23. > :41:29.been taught in schools so far, which is why what has been announced is

:41:29. > :41:38.important. The footage you should be for was filmed at the Festival of

:41:38. > :41:42.code that we ran this summer. Our youngest kids are five, and then it

:41:42. > :41:46.goes up to 18. They start with this, but once they get to grips with the

:41:46. > :41:50.basics, they quickly want to move on to building their own apps or

:41:50. > :41:51.websites, and more importantly, solving problems that they find

:41:51. > :41:58.during the day. They want to find solving problems that they find

:41:58. > :42:03.their own solutions. That is part of the fun of her grabbing. Do you

:42:03. > :42:08.think this will set school alight? B my kids are one and three, and they

:42:08. > :42:15.can both use an iPad. The three-year-old is quite good at it.

:42:15. > :42:24.You will never see your iPad again. But should it be on the curriculum?

:42:24. > :42:28.Definitely. The key thing is make it intuitive and easy, and they will

:42:28. > :42:34.run with it. The future economy will be technology led. We really are in

:42:34. > :42:39.a global race. I don't want to use that hackneyed term. You have just

:42:39. > :42:46.used it! I can't think of a better one. We have got to get these kids

:42:46. > :42:52.doing this stuff, because we need to be world leaders. Do you think it is

:42:52. > :42:58.as important as doing maths and English GCSE? It has to be on the

:42:58. > :43:02.curriculum, because there are lots of children who don't have access to

:43:02. > :43:06.computers. I wonder whether it is like any other language, whether

:43:06. > :43:12.earlier you learn it, the easier it is. There is an element of that, but

:43:12. > :43:18.it is also important to remember that your child is consuming that

:43:18. > :43:22.technology. It is like giving a child a bike, but without giving

:43:22. > :43:27.them any knowledge about how the roads work and how safe they can

:43:27. > :43:31.be. How the digital world operates is the same as giving them an iPad

:43:31. > :43:37.and expecting them to use it, but they have to understand how the

:43:37. > :43:40.digital world works. But Clive, you can't really buy one of those and

:43:40. > :43:45.use it immediate leak, you would have to be shown how to do it,

:43:45. > :43:52.wouldn't you? Or is it simpler than that? It is fairly simple, so you

:43:52. > :43:57.can plug it in and start programming from scratch. Or if you are a bit

:43:57. > :44:01.older, use a programming language like python. I think the earlier,

:44:01. > :44:04.the better, as long as you can understand logic and you like

:44:04. > :44:09.puzzles and playing, which we all do. You are not too young or too old

:44:09. > :44:13.puzzles and playing, which we all to start. Thank you for bringing in

:44:13. > :44:18.the gizmo, Raspberry Pi, and good luck with the coding. There are code

:44:18. > :44:25.clubs, aren't there? But they are voluntary stop I have tried to find

:44:25. > :44:30.one. There is not one in my area. That is the problem, but there was

:44:30. > :44:34.lots of stuff going on. Now onto UKIP. Despite leader Nigel Farage's

:44:34. > :44:39.assertions that the party opposes racism, the party is again sending

:44:39. > :44:42.off accusations of racism in its ranks will stop on this programme

:44:42. > :44:47.yesterday, Lord Heseltine described UKIP is a racist party. Here is what

:44:47. > :44:50.he said. You always have these right-wing, racist operations,

:44:50. > :44:57.pandering to the lowest common denominator in politics. That is

:44:57. > :45:02.what is happening. But when it comes to a general election, the choice

:45:02. > :45:06.will be very simple. This is where the strength of Cameron lives. Do

:45:06. > :45:12.you want Ed Miliband as prime minister, or David Cameron? Are you

:45:12. > :45:18.saying UKIP is racist? Of course. Who doubts that? The language, the

:45:18. > :45:33.rhetoric, the membership, who doubts it? That was Michael has all time,

:45:34. > :45:38.our guest yesterday. -- Michael Heseltine. And we've been joined by

:45:38. > :45:46.Amjad Bashir, who is UKIP's spokesman on small business. You

:45:46. > :45:52.have given this has been politician the chance to level these

:45:53. > :45:58.accusations against us. There was a picture in the paper of Nigel

:45:58. > :46:04.Farage, with the microphone looking like it was a Nazi moustache. We are

:46:04. > :46:09.a mainstream political party with 30,000 members. We got over 1

:46:09. > :46:14.million votes in the last elections in May. We are a serious player, and

:46:14. > :46:21.you can't treat us like this. Would you do that on the front page with

:46:21. > :46:28.David Cameron? You are now having the right to reply following what

:46:28. > :46:33.Michael Heseltine said, and he is quite a distinguished politician,

:46:33. > :46:38.albeit a formal one. Of course we would use a picture of David Cameron

:46:38. > :46:42.or Ed Miliband just the same. These standards are being applied to Nigel

:46:42. > :46:47.Farage that have always been applied to other leaders, and the question

:46:47. > :46:53.is whether he can stand up to it. We to other leaders, and the question

:46:53. > :46:58.are trying to have a serious discussion about immigration. Are

:46:58. > :47:05.you seriously suggesting that there are no racists in UKIP? Michael

:47:05. > :47:10.Heseltine said yesterday that UKIP was racist. Look at me, look at my

:47:10. > :47:17.ethnicity. Are you saying that there was racist. Look at me, look at my

:47:17. > :47:22.are no racists in UKIP? There are 30,000 members out there. These

:47:22. > :47:27.accusations are levelled by the BBC a gain and again. They are not

:47:27. > :47:32.levelled by the BBC, Michael Heseltine was our guest. Friday or

:47:32. > :47:37.members keep getting caught up in controversy? These accusations are

:47:37. > :47:44.not made up, they are based on stories that come out. They haven't

:47:44. > :47:49.come from nowhere. This is silly. We have just selected somebody to run

:47:49. > :47:55.for Orpington who is of Indonesian Muslim background. Here I am running

:47:55. > :48:03.as a potential MEP for Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire. What did you

:48:03. > :48:06.make of Godfrey Bloom? I am of Pakistani background. I have worked

:48:06. > :48:13.in this country for 50 years. Would they select me if they were racist?

:48:13. > :48:20.Is it racist to refer to foreign places as Bongo Bongo Land? The

:48:20. > :48:26.point that he made was very relevant. He was talking about

:48:26. > :48:29.foreign aid. The party distance itself from those two lines. Because

:48:29. > :48:36.foreign aid. The party distance it was racist. It is not right to

:48:36. > :48:40.dwell on that too much. He has been withdrawn the whip. He is no longer

:48:40. > :48:45.going to run for the party. That was as a result of his other comment

:48:45. > :48:49.about women, rather than Bongo Bongo Land. But you distanced yourself

:48:49. > :48:56.because it wasn't appropriate language. You are not talking about

:48:56. > :49:00.the real subject. You are saying it is very unfair that people are

:49:00. > :49:05.accusing the party of being racist. So is it racist to describe a female

:49:05. > :49:19.journalist as from some form of ethnic extraction? He is married to

:49:19. > :49:25.an Indian lady who comes from Australia. He was trying to describe

:49:25. > :49:30.the journalist. Would you describe anybody as being somebody who is of

:49:30. > :49:36.some form of ethnic extraction? This is political correctness gone mad.

:49:36. > :49:43.Allow people the latitude to go further. This is stifling the debate

:49:43. > :49:46.on racism. I am somebody who is of Pakistani background who lives in

:49:46. > :49:50.this country. I have experienced racism. Lord Heseltine hasn't

:49:50. > :49:57.this country. I have experienced experienced this. He doesn't know

:49:57. > :50:03.anything about racism. What do you say to that? Amjad Bashir is of

:50:03. > :50:08.Pakistani origin, and how can the party be racist if they have him in

:50:08. > :50:11.the party? If the party was officially racist comment he

:50:11. > :50:19.wouldn't be sitting here now, I agree with that. But you have party

:50:19. > :50:23.officials being outed as former BNP members, and Nigel Farage said, we

:50:23. > :50:33.don't have tonnes of money to do the disciplined checks. The key point

:50:33. > :50:34.for UKIP is probably learning from that complete implosion at

:50:34. > :50:38.for UKIP is probably learning from conference, that when you do become

:50:38. > :50:42.popular, you come under massive scrutiny, and your party needs to

:50:42. > :50:47.have a disciplined operation of briefing and messaging. I don't know

:50:47. > :50:53.if you have the resources to do that, but that is the key difference

:50:53. > :51:02.between UKIP and other parties. We already have 12 MEPs. So why is your

:51:02. > :51:06.discipline so poor? All these things that you mention, and I take that on

:51:06. > :51:13.board, these are things we are going to address. Because you have lost

:51:13. > :51:18.45% of your MEPs since 2009. That is not a sign of a disciplined party.

:51:18. > :51:23.It is a very disciplined party going forward. I hope to instil that

:51:23. > :51:30.discipline. I have worked hard over the last 30 years in business. Our

:51:30. > :51:34.main supporters, one of them is of Pakistani background, and was

:51:34. > :51:44.responsible for that leaflet that Michael Crick tried to expose to

:51:44. > :51:49.Godfrey, where are the Asian faces? Is it a racist party? There is a

:51:49. > :51:53.difference between being a racist party, which it is not, and Michael

:51:53. > :51:57.Heseltine did not say that, and an accusation that in a party which is

:51:57. > :52:02.part of a splinter group of smaller parties on the right, there are some

:52:02. > :52:09.people who hold racist views, and that seems an answer a bleak true. I

:52:09. > :52:17.beg to differ. We are not a party of the extreme right. We're appealing

:52:17. > :52:22.to voters across-the-board. 30% from Labour. We are gaining ground all

:52:22. > :52:26.over the North. Amjad Bashir, I have to stop it there. Thank you very

:52:26. > :52:36.much. You may think some politicians are

:52:36. > :52:43.beyond parity. Peter Brookes's cartoons have betrayed various

:52:43. > :53:47.leaders. Here is some of his work. And Peter Brookes has joined us.

:53:47. > :53:53.Sign of the Times is out today. Where'd you get the inspiration

:53:53. > :54:02.from? The politicians. The ideas come from me, and the agony comes

:54:02. > :54:07.from it. Is there agony? Yes, quite often there is, come for clock in

:54:07. > :54:11.the afternoon. There is a process to doing them, but every day is

:54:11. > :54:23.different, and everyday's news is different. What is the process? The

:54:23. > :54:34.process is listening to the Today programme. Watching the Daily

:54:34. > :54:41.Politics as Mac indeed! I do have radio and television on a lot. I get

:54:41. > :54:49.a lot of feedback from that sort of thing. And then I am thinking and

:54:49. > :55:00.trying to come to terms with what I want to say and what the target is,

:55:00. > :55:06.and putting it all together. Has a coalition government provided you

:55:06. > :55:16.with rich pickings. Has it been easier with two parties in

:55:16. > :55:22.government? Yes, because from day one of the campaign, I came up with

:55:22. > :55:35.the idea of Clegg being Cameron's fag. You can actually make that work

:55:35. > :55:38.within this format. I find that inventing things all the time, ways

:55:38. > :55:58.of humiliating Clegg by Cameron, is one of life's Rita joys for me. --

:55:58. > :56:07.one of life's great joys. And you will need a new haircut for George

:56:07. > :56:10.Osborne now. I have heard that the traditional cartoon is under

:56:10. > :56:16.pressure. Due to the joys of winged journalism. You do get a lot of

:56:16. > :56:23.cartoons appearing online in various forms, and once newspapers start to

:56:23. > :56:26.disappear, which may or may not be in the not too distant future, I

:56:26. > :56:34.hope not, but it could happen, then we will die out. Ed Miliband doesn't

:56:35. > :56:42.escape you either. I'm sure everyone has heard of Ed Miliband being

:56:42. > :56:52.compared to Wallace and Gromit. Are you laughing? Philip Larkin was once

:56:52. > :56:58.asked, weighed you get your ideas from, and he said, sheer genius.

:56:58. > :57:04.When we discuss which of us will ever be remembered by anyone, if it

:57:04. > :57:08.is not one of us, it is very definitely going to be Peter

:57:08. > :57:17.Brookes. How did Ed Miliband respond to this? I have done quite a lot of

:57:17. > :57:24.these, and apparently the people around him have talked about the

:57:24. > :57:30.fact that Wallace is a national hero and endlessly resourceful. Trying to

:57:30. > :57:37.put the spin on it! Is there a line you won't cross? That is difficult

:57:37. > :57:44.to say. It is terribly difficult to say. I can only answer that from

:57:44. > :57:51.each day's experience. Let's have a look at the final one, this is a bit

:57:52. > :57:58.different. Every cartoon isn't necessarily a

:57:58. > :58:10.laughter cartoon, and I'm dealing with a lot of serious matters. And I

:58:10. > :58:16.am, by nature, not afraid, not an interventionist. And the whole point

:58:16. > :58:25.of this cartoon was that Abu Qatada was having a gun held to his head

:58:25. > :58:32.whilst at the same time Cameron was arming, or not. Thank you very much.

:58:32. > :58:35.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz. The

:58:35. > :58:41.question was: What new accessory was Boris Johnson spotted wearing

:58:41. > :58:46.yesterday? The answer: A new pair of glasses, which Boris described as

:58:46. > :58:53.being "a bit Elton John". We gave it away! Peter Brookes, thank you very

:58:53. > :58:57.much. That's all for today. Thanks to Phil Collins, Sean Worth and all

:58:57. > :58:59.my guests. I will be back tomorrow. Goodbye.