:00:37. > :00:41.Afternoon folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. He doesn't like the
:00:42. > :00:45.EU, he's against high immigration, and he's opposed to high taxes. But
:00:46. > :00:54.what does Nigel Farage like? We'll be putting UKIP's policies under the
:00:55. > :01:00.spotlight. As world leaders discuss the crisis in Syria, the Prime
:01:01. > :01:03.Minister 's says he's open-minded about accepting refugees from Syria
:01:04. > :01:07.is a compelling case is made. Could Labour and the Lib Dems team up to
:01:08. > :01:11.force a change of policy? Should we just accept that women who choose to
:01:12. > :01:14.have children are worth less to companies? One high-flying woman
:01:15. > :01:17.disagrees and she'll be here to tell us why. And from pints to Chardonnay
:01:18. > :01:18.- shocking news that one of Westminster's best loved watering
:01:19. > :01:30.holes is going all posh. All that in the next hour. And with
:01:31. > :01:34.us for the whole programme today is the leader of UKIP, Nigel Farage.
:01:35. > :01:37.Welcome to the Daily Politics. Now first this morning let's talk about
:01:38. > :01:40.defence because a little earlier, the Defence Secretary, Phillip
:01:41. > :01:43.Hammond outlined the latest round of cuts to the armed forces. Around
:01:44. > :01:53.1,400 soldiers are to lose their jobs. Here's Mr Hammond, in action
:01:54. > :01:56.in the Commons. For the men and women of our Armed Forces, I know
:01:57. > :02:01.that this has been a painful process. But completion of this
:02:02. > :02:06.final tranche will mark a turning point. With the bulk of our troops
:02:07. > :02:10.back from Afghanistan by the end of this year, and coming back from
:02:11. > :02:16.Germany over the next four years, as we build future Force 2020, they
:02:17. > :02:21.will be able to enjoy the peace of mind that comes from belonging to
:02:22. > :02:25.armed forces that are put a period of change and restructuring behind
:02:26. > :02:33.them and focused on building their skills and capabilities for the
:02:34. > :02:36.future. Nigel Farage, this latest and final round of cuts will end a
:02:37. > :02:44.period of uncertainty for troops, do you agree? No! Weather would have
:02:45. > :02:49.thought that a Conservative lead on government would slash army numbers,
:02:50. > :02:54.people are wondering how this is going to work. His plan is, you cut
:02:55. > :02:59.the number of regulars and you rebrand the Territorial Army and
:03:00. > :03:04.build that up to 30,000 troops, it isn't going to work. I have got
:03:05. > :03:07.family involvement in this, my father is president of the TA
:03:08. > :03:12.regiment in London. He says the problem is that employers were OK
:03:13. > :03:17.about a fortnight 's camp every year but suddenly, the TA has meant for
:03:18. > :03:20.months here, five months there, and they are trying to get a full-time
:03:21. > :03:25.army on the cheap through the reservists. People are going to
:03:26. > :03:28.struggle, employers are not going to want their people to be in the Army
:03:29. > :03:34.reserve and this isn't going to work. We have spoken to ministers,
:03:35. > :03:38.and to some MPs who serve in the Armed Forces as reservists, they say
:03:39. > :03:43.it can be squared. They say it is a sign of a modern army, that looking
:03:44. > :03:48.ahead, employers will be convinced to come on board and support this.
:03:49. > :03:51.Let's sit here in six months, I feel confident in saying that the Army
:03:52. > :03:58.reserve will not be able to recruit the numbers it needs to make up for
:03:59. > :04:02.the huge reduction in numbers. Let's look at the numbers, how big the
:04:03. > :04:10.Army be under UKIP? We have been running at about 100 to 120,000 for
:04:11. > :04:16.some time. We are now slashing it down to 82,500. People say this is
:04:17. > :04:23.the final cut, I am not sure. You say that people will look again at
:04:24. > :04:27.cuts? I think defence cuts have been the easy way for the government to
:04:28. > :04:34.cut. We are now spending less than 2% of our entire budget on defence,
:04:35. > :04:36.it is very low indeed. But UKIP themselves have said that you
:04:37. > :04:40.wouldn't want to be involved in the sort of conflict we have seen in the
:04:41. > :04:46.past, so what is the need? Because UKIP doesn't want to get involved in
:04:47. > :04:52.endless foreign wars doesn't mean that we want to slash our defences
:04:53. > :04:56.to the level... Let's just say, and the Falklands is much more heavily
:04:57. > :05:01.manned and it was 30 years ago, let's just say the Argentinians did
:05:02. > :05:06.establish a toehold on the Falklands and we had to try, militarily, to
:05:07. > :05:10.get them back, we couldn't do it. So the point about having defences is
:05:11. > :05:15.that you are there for the unforeseen event. It's like paying
:05:16. > :05:20.the insurance on the house in case there is a fire. Having said he
:05:21. > :05:23.wouldn't go into those sorts of adventures, if you can call them,
:05:24. > :05:28.would you not have gone into Afghanistan? I fail to see, with all
:05:29. > :05:34.these was, what our object to his work. In the case of Afghanistan,
:05:35. > :05:39.all you have to do was reading five minutes of history to know it would
:05:40. > :05:46.be unwinnable. So you wouldn't have gone into Iraq? It was a vengeance
:05:47. > :05:49.will, we will end up with a three state solution, it will take about
:05:50. > :05:53.15 or 20 years of a horrible civil war. I wouldn't have wanted Libya
:05:54. > :05:57.and I don't think any thing we have done in the Middle East has made it
:05:58. > :06:02.more stable or better. So what you need such a big Armed Forces, for
:06:03. > :06:08.something that may never happen and actually is unlikely to? In some
:06:09. > :06:14.ways. Since the Warsaw Pact disappeared, the world is even more
:06:15. > :06:19.uncertain than it was. At least we knew what the potential enemy was.
:06:20. > :06:24.There are some wars that you find yourself unavoidably getting dragged
:06:25. > :06:27.into. Here we are, 100 years since the start of the First World War,
:06:28. > :06:34.nobody thought that was imaginable. We just don't know. The former US
:06:35. > :06:40.Defence Secretary said the Armed Forces cuts will diminish the UK's
:06:41. > :06:45.military standing. Does that matter? I think it does. The point about
:06:46. > :06:49.being a full partner to the US is when they say jump, we don't always
:06:50. > :06:54.ask how high, after all Harold Wilson, when Lyndon Johnson came to
:06:55. > :06:58.Downing Street said no, we're not going to Vietnam. The point is, we
:06:59. > :07:07.can choose to the two things when they are right.
:07:08. > :07:11.Now it's time for our daily quiz. The question for today is which of
:07:12. > :07:13.these has the largest number of followers on twitter? A) Nigel
:07:14. > :07:15.Farage b) The official UKIP twitter feed c) UKIP weather or d) Godfrey
:07:16. > :07:26.Bloom. Now, this show is obviously watched
:07:27. > :07:31.by millions so the answer could well change by the end of the show. In
:07:32. > :07:35.which case, Nigel, we'll have to take the answer as it was at the
:07:36. > :07:42.time of writing which was about half past nine this morning! Compliance
:07:43. > :07:45.at its best! As you're watching this programme I
:07:46. > :07:49.reckon it's fairly safe to say you're an intelligent sort of person
:07:50. > :07:56.with a keen grasp of the political world. Unless you are a student that
:07:57. > :08:00.has just woken up! You don't need me to tell you that Nigel Farage's UKIP
:08:01. > :08:02.want out of the EU, or for that matter, that they're not
:08:03. > :08:05.particularly big fans of immigration. But what else do they
:08:06. > :08:11.stand for? Jo's been going through their policies with a fine tooth
:08:12. > :08:14.comb. Nigel Farage is the political
:08:15. > :08:16.outsider who wants to change the system from within, and this
:08:17. > :08:20.revolutionary has plenty of other battles to fight and rights to
:08:21. > :08:24.right. The party is promising to reveal very soon how it intends to
:08:25. > :08:28.reduce ?90 billion from our annual expenditure, without reducing major
:08:29. > :08:31.public services. They aim to keep tax as low as possible, although
:08:32. > :08:37.there's not much detail as to how they're going to do it. Their
:08:38. > :08:40.pensions policy is as yet unclear although at the last election they
:08:41. > :08:43.promised a flat rate, non means testable, non contributory, non
:08:44. > :08:51.taxable citizens pension of ?130 a week. On crime, they promise not to
:08:52. > :08:54.reduce spending on front line policing and they say they'll have a
:08:55. > :09:04.tougher sentencing policy, life will mean life. On health, they will
:09:05. > :09:07.restore free eye and dental checks and a UKIP government would make
:09:08. > :09:10.sure doctors' surgeries stay open in the evenings. Climate change is so
:09:11. > :09:13.last century, according to their energy spokesman Roger Helmer -
:09:14. > :09:19.green taxes will be scrapped and nuclear power promoted. More money
:09:20. > :09:22.will go into the defence budget although they say a UKIP government
:09:23. > :09:26.would be less likely to get involved in foreign conflicts. Finally UKIP
:09:27. > :09:31.support more grammar schools and they would bring back the student
:09:32. > :09:35.grant. Of course it's over a year before until the next general
:09:36. > :09:38.election and UKIP say a lot of their policies are still under review, so
:09:39. > :09:43.just how revolutionary will Nigel Farage's UKIP be?
:09:44. > :09:55.With us now is the Conservative MP, Priti Patel. So, comrades... I have
:09:56. > :10:01.never thought of myself like that! An awful lot of policies, will any
:10:02. > :10:06.of them make the manifesto? Wait and see. Our job is to fight the
:10:07. > :10:10.European elections on May 22 on just the constitutional question but the
:10:11. > :10:14.consequences of being an EU member, whether it is on immigration or the
:10:15. > :10:18.effect on the City of London, we will focus on those things between
:10:19. > :10:24.now and then. But UKIP has to do is to show people that it has a
:10:25. > :10:30.domestic policy agenda, that it adds up. We have to show where cuts can
:10:31. > :10:34.be made, considerable cuts can be made, we are also going to have to
:10:35. > :10:38.have a strategy for growth, as that is one of the things this
:10:39. > :10:43.government... There is some growth in the economy but what we will do
:10:44. > :10:49.is talk particularly about the small businesses and what can be done to
:10:50. > :10:52.get some growth there. At the last election he wanted to cut 90 billion
:10:53. > :10:57.of taxes and spend an extra 30 billion. There is going to be too
:10:58. > :11:00.much scrutiny on you at this election, I suggest, are you to get
:11:01. > :11:07.away with an obvious nonsense like that. That is not an obvious
:11:08. > :11:13.nonsense! Not if you can show where the cuts can come. Anybody working
:11:14. > :11:21.for a quango or earning six-figure money in government is not going to
:11:22. > :11:23.be voting UKIP. We believe that the whole public sector part of our
:11:24. > :11:30.economy has ballooned out of control. But 90 billion cuts and 30
:11:31. > :11:35.billion extra means you have to find 120 Ilion to do that. It's not
:11:36. > :11:41.realistic, is it? It's very ambitious! I didn't put that
:11:42. > :11:46.manifesto together, I was just a candidate, but I can assure you of
:11:47. > :11:52.one thing, the 2015 manifesto will be similar in flavour. Do you still
:11:53. > :11:58.plan to have a citizens pension? This idea has been taken up to large
:11:59. > :12:05.extent by Iain Duncan Smith. But we have not decided what we're going to
:12:06. > :12:10.do. You wanted to scrap employers's national insurance, that costs about
:12:11. > :12:15.60 billion. For start-up company is, the idea of a holiday where you
:12:16. > :12:20.don't have to pay that will be a short-term boost. I remember what
:12:21. > :12:27.that manifesto said, it was a long-term ambition... It said you
:12:28. > :12:31.would phase it out for employers, not the people but employers over
:12:32. > :12:35.five years, recouping revenue through corporation tax, sales tax
:12:36. > :12:40.revenue and lower spending. I would describe that as an overly ambitious
:12:41. > :12:46.view of what can be done in five years! You once wanted a flat rate
:12:47. > :12:54.tax system, now you want a two tier system. We want flatter, simple,
:12:55. > :13:02.lower taxes. Flat rate is another. What you want? Our tax code is
:13:03. > :13:07.12,000 pages long, we wanted radically reduced, it will still be
:13:08. > :13:15.at downside simpler than the current system. We want no tax on them and
:13:16. > :13:22.wait, that would incentivise people to get off benefit and back to work.
:13:23. > :13:29.-- on the minimum wage. Will all be quango is go? I think a lot of them
:13:30. > :13:34.will. Wouldn't a lot of the jobs just have to be redeployed into the
:13:35. > :13:38.departments? If you look at the Environment Agency, it is a big
:13:39. > :13:43.agency, big budget, you can't just scrap it and say that's it. A lot of
:13:44. > :13:47.these things will go back into the Department of the Environment or
:13:48. > :13:52.whatever it's called now. We have these parallel structures, we have
:13:53. > :13:59.Whitehall departments, quangos, the ultimate radically shrinking our
:14:00. > :14:02.bureaucracy is how powerful. Could you give as an example of a concrete
:14:03. > :14:07.policy that will be in your manifesto? We will fight very hard
:14:08. > :14:13.to bring back select the schools specific social mobility has fallen
:14:14. > :14:16.in this country, the 7% to go to the fee-paying schools are dominating
:14:17. > :14:23.everything, current affairs, sport, everything. So by selective schools,
:14:24. > :14:31.you mean he would bring back, schools? What we call them matters
:14:32. > :14:38.less than the principle of it. If you look at those bits we can define
:14:39. > :14:41.about you Capcom he wants to get out of the EU, wants to be tough on
:14:42. > :14:46.immigration, bring back grammar schools, spend more on defence, it
:14:47. > :14:55.sells like what a lot of them is of the Tory party believed? The issue
:14:56. > :15:00.is, but these are attitudes. When you are a party in Westminster and
:15:01. > :15:03.in government, you have to make some very tough long-term choices which
:15:04. > :15:08.is what we are doing in government right now. On the economy, schools
:15:09. > :15:11.in particular. We agree we have had a terrible decade of failure in our
:15:12. > :15:21.education system. So we are reforming education through free
:15:22. > :15:28.schools, academies. Would you like to bring back grammar schools? I
:15:29. > :15:32.support academies and I support a lot of schools in my constituency.
:15:33. > :15:42.Would you like to bring back grammar schools? There was a plan to have an
:15:43. > :15:51.extension and Michael Gove was beaten on that. I have got long held
:15:52. > :15:59.views. I have been campaigning for a referendum a lot than Nigel Farage.
:16:00. > :16:04.But, that said, you have to be a party in government, you have to be
:16:05. > :16:11.a party in Westminster that can take legislation through Parliament. With
:16:12. > :16:16.David Cameron and Philip Hammond announcing 1400 in cuts in defence,
:16:17. > :16:21.you cannot imagine better people to have on your side who have been
:16:22. > :16:27.loyal to this country for a decade after decade. You cannot be happy
:16:28. > :16:32.with that. There are hard realities we have had to face around defence
:16:33. > :16:38.spending. I remember in 2010 when we came to power we inherited a ?38
:16:39. > :16:43.billion black hole in the defence budget alone. You have to make
:16:44. > :16:50.difficult decisions. Coming up with political slogans that might sound
:16:51. > :16:55.nice, are long way away from having a long-term plan that can deliver
:16:56. > :17:01.change. But you cannot get out of bed in the morning and say, I am
:17:02. > :17:07.proud to be a party that is slashing defence spending and adding 6
:17:08. > :17:11.billion to international aid? It is the responsibility of generations
:17:12. > :17:15.such as my generation to come up with the right long-term solution
:17:16. > :17:23.for this country and you can only do that in government. To govern is to
:17:24. > :17:26.choose. Are you proud to be supporting a government that is
:17:27. > :17:32.slashing defence spending and increasing international aid? I am
:17:33. > :17:38.part of a government that is facing up to the hard realities. But are
:17:39. > :17:45.you proud of that? We have to recognise the tough climate that we
:17:46. > :17:49.are in. It is quite clear from the way these questions have not been
:17:50. > :17:54.answered that she is quite close to you on a number of issues, so why
:17:55. > :17:58.are you going to put a candidate against heard that will make it more
:17:59. > :18:05.difficult for Priti Patel to hold onto her seat? If she says she would
:18:06. > :18:08.openly defy a three line whip and vote against her own government to
:18:09. > :18:14.get Britain out of the EU, we might be talking. We are not going to have
:18:15. > :18:25.a motion of confidence of that nature. I sent that for the first
:18:26. > :18:28.time in 20 years it is in the front line of politics. I suspect Labour
:18:29. > :18:34.will be forced into offering a referendum as well. There would not
:18:35. > :18:39.be any debate about a referendum or any promise by Mr Cameron, although
:18:40. > :18:44.he promised one once before, unless you can put the pressure on and you
:18:45. > :18:50.get the votes in local elections and by-elections that we have got.
:18:51. > :18:55.Perhaps the threat we pose not just to conservatives, but to Labour as
:18:56. > :19:00.well is changing the debate. There has been harsh reality while we have
:19:01. > :19:04.been in government and when David Cameron became prime minister that
:19:05. > :19:07.Europe is simply not working. The institutions are all over the
:19:08. > :19:12.place, they are not accountable and they are imposing their will on the
:19:13. > :19:18.UK left, right and centre and there are issues such as their own budget
:19:19. > :19:24.as well. The Prime Minister has exercised a veto. We know there are
:19:25. > :19:28.problems, but you need a party in Westminster and you need the support
:19:29. > :19:36.and lies across the EU effect change. What Cameron is trying to
:19:37. > :19:40.sell us is fundamental change to Britain's treaty relationship with
:19:41. > :19:48.the European Union. For somebody who spent 15 years in Brussels, that is
:19:49. > :19:52.not even on offer. One of the region -- reason David Cameron's page has
:19:53. > :19:59.not unite the party is one year on nobody knows what he intends to
:20:00. > :20:06.negotiate. I do not support that. There is no doubt, and George
:20:07. > :20:11.Osborne highlighted this last week in his own speech, that we know
:20:12. > :20:15.there are big challenges. There are physical and financial challenges.
:20:16. > :20:21.It is about the institutions of the European Union and it is about
:20:22. > :20:25.fundamental issues like justice, human rights and immigration. The
:20:26. > :20:32.list is endless. Status quo is not an option. I am still not sure what
:20:33. > :20:37.separates you. UKIP is against replacing Trident. Yes, that is a
:20:38. > :20:43.debate we have been kicking around for some time. So you are a
:20:44. > :20:52.non-nuclear defence strategy for Britain. I am not sure where you got
:20:53. > :21:03.that from. From your website. That is not the case. It was the case.
:21:04. > :21:10.Will you get it off your website? When it comes to websites I am not
:21:11. > :21:19.an expert. Would you deploy regular armed forces on the streets? If
:21:20. > :21:22.necessary, yes. Your website says they could man police stations while
:21:23. > :21:30.officers are dealing with this order. Those flash riots we had a
:21:31. > :21:33.couple of years ago came from nowhere and everybody was astounded
:21:34. > :21:40.by the size of them and the lack of preparedness. You would have
:21:41. > :21:47.deployed the Army? They would have been on immediate stand-by. That
:21:48. > :21:57.situation was very serious. You want a compulsory dress code for taxi
:21:58. > :22:03.drivers? Do we? That is not on the website, that is on one of your
:22:04. > :22:09.documents. Under the last leadership in 2010 we produced a manifesto that
:22:10. > :22:18.was 486 pages long, so you can quote me bits of it, but I might not know
:22:19. > :22:24.all of it. Is it still policy to require our trains to be painted in
:22:25. > :22:30.traditional colours? I have no idea what you are talking about. That was
:22:31. > :22:35.a policy paper published in 2010. Is there a danger that if UKIP
:22:36. > :22:39.continues to be strong in the polls, that when you go into the 20 15th
:22:40. > :22:45.election and they cost you the election and if you take the poll
:22:46. > :22:52.from last Sunday, the Conservatives are on 30, Labour on 35, to be five
:22:53. > :22:55.points ahead at this point is not great for Labour. As a government
:22:56. > :23:02.you are in striking distance, but UKIP is on 19%. Opinion polls say
:23:03. > :23:06.what they are going to say right now, but the reality for this
:23:07. > :23:11.country and the electorate is they have to go into the 20 15th election
:23:12. > :23:15.and think about the long-term, economic prosperity of this country.
:23:16. > :23:25.It is not going to be about voting for a party that is putting out
:23:26. > :23:34.slogans. That is maybe why Labour is only on 35. If Labour is on 35, you
:23:35. > :23:39.lose if UKIP get 19. At least people know what we stand for. The
:23:40. > :23:47.Conservative voters have no idea what David Cameron stands for. Is he
:23:48. > :23:51.for or against wind farms? The reality is for us it is all about
:23:52. > :23:56.the economic future and prosperity of this country. It is about having
:23:57. > :24:00.our finances in order and we inherited the worst fiscal legacy of
:24:01. > :24:04.any government in 2010 and we are building a future programme for this
:24:05. > :24:11.country and tackling many issues about Europe and immigration that we
:24:12. > :24:21.have talked about. What kind of a uniform would taxi drivers are have?
:24:22. > :24:30.Do not ask me. To ask a party leader about policies like that is silly!
:24:31. > :24:33.Tenacity, sportsmanship, endurance, not necessarily qualities you would
:24:34. > :24:40.associate with a politician, but sports men and women make the MPs?
:24:41. > :24:45.Select Christopher Chataway, Olympic athletes and Conservative politician
:24:46. > :24:52.managed to excel in both disciplines. But was he an
:24:53. > :24:56.exception? A lot of sports people are into
:24:57. > :25:03.politics and a lot of politicians play sport, but does being a
:25:04. > :25:10.sportsman, a well-known sportsman, make you any good at politics? It is
:25:11. > :25:15.a recipe for thinking you might be able to do it. As a sportsman you
:25:16. > :25:20.learn about self-confidence, you train hard and you can get on and a
:25:21. > :25:26.lot of people think it will transport itself to politics. I am
:25:27. > :25:31.not sure whether it does. There are famous sports people who have gone
:25:32. > :25:40.into politics. Sebastien Coe, Tony Grey Thompson and so Ming Campbell
:25:41. > :25:45.ran in the Olympics in 1964. Sport will give you a sense of what is
:25:46. > :25:54.necessary if you want to succeed. It is application. If it is doing an
:25:55. > :26:00.extra day's training, if it is politics, it is reading more
:26:01. > :26:08.background and information, treating it professionally. Sam Ming Campbell
:26:09. > :26:14.has gone from sporting sprinter to political marathon man, rising to be
:26:15. > :26:18.party leader. Baroness Danny Grey Thompson was always passionate about
:26:19. > :26:22.politics and of course there is Sebastien Coe, sporting icon on the
:26:23. > :26:28.track and then organising the Olympics, but was his political
:26:29. > :26:32.career so glittering? He thought you could bring in the values of hard
:26:33. > :26:35.work and training and being scientific about things and he tried
:26:36. > :26:41.to do that with William Hague and most of us do not think that was a
:26:42. > :26:48.roaring success. He had William Hague at the Notting hill carnival
:26:49. > :26:52.in a baseball cap. Whether that helped William Hague being a good
:26:53. > :26:59.leader of the Tory party no one quite knows. We will not know until
:27:00. > :27:01.the European elections whether Olympic rowing success means James
:27:02. > :27:12.Cracknell will cross the line and become a Tory MEP. Winning replies
:27:13. > :27:23.dating that dedication and application and nowadays modern
:27:24. > :27:31.politics is like that. One advantage of being a sports personality is
:27:32. > :27:36.that you are well known. People will not slam the door in his face, but
:27:37. > :27:41.he will still have to have something to say to them and if you appear to
:27:42. > :27:47.be a distant figure who hobnobs with the world of sport, you might not
:27:48. > :27:51.look like the kind of guy who knows how to help individual people with
:27:52. > :28:01.their lives. But for a lot of people it is a head start. I never had the
:28:02. > :28:07.intention of taking up politics, and I am not sure about squash a toll.
:28:08. > :28:11.James Cracknell, double gold medallist, and Conservative
:28:12. > :28:18.candidate at next made's European elections joins us now. What can a
:28:19. > :28:22.top sports star bring to politics? There is a crossover in what you
:28:23. > :28:25.need is a sportsman and as a politician, especially in Olympic
:28:26. > :28:31.sports where there is a long-term plan and you have to deliver on that
:28:32. > :28:36.plan on one day. It is about setting a goal at the outset that might seem
:28:37. > :28:42.unachievable and working towards it and forming a team to deliver on
:28:43. > :28:46.that goal under pressure. In some ways they are the skills required in
:28:47. > :28:51.politics and there is the stamina required to undergo the long haul
:28:52. > :28:58.and not be afraid to ask yourself tough questions. The stamina Nigel
:28:59. > :29:07.will sympathise with. Why be an MEP and not an MP? I wanted a candidacy
:29:08. > :29:13.for Westminster and I thought long and hard about it, and I am sure
:29:14. > :29:17.Nigel will agree the next five years the crucial part of the future of
:29:18. > :29:21.this country lies in Europe and it is trying to fight a situation where
:29:22. > :29:26.the people in Britain are happy with our relationship in Europe and
:29:27. > :29:34.offering a referendum of the back of it. Do you think we should remain in
:29:35. > :29:37.the European Union? We cannot say that until we have been through the
:29:38. > :29:44.process of renegotiation and to get a meaningful renegotiation, the
:29:45. > :29:50.other powers have to believe we are serious about leaving. If we are not
:29:51. > :29:56.serious, we are not going to get anything out of the renegotiation. I
:29:57. > :30:03.agree if you want to get anything out of Europe, you have to walk into
:30:04. > :30:08.the room with a great big stick. But David Cameron would report --
:30:09. > :30:22.support a stake in vote in the referendum. We need to get Europe to
:30:23. > :30:27.work for the people of Britain but as concept in itself, it is too slow
:30:28. > :30:33.and dynamic, that needs to be changed. We also need the confidence
:30:34. > :30:36.to back ourselves and think we can effect change for the benefit of
:30:37. > :30:41.people in this country and on the continent as well. Do you think you
:30:42. > :30:46.had an advantage in the selection process because you are well-known?
:30:47. > :30:56.I can't walk down the street because... ! I know, don't you hate
:30:57. > :31:01.it? ! I deliberately put myself in the same position as everybody else.
:31:02. > :31:09.The biggest trust people can do is put their boat to you. I want to
:31:10. > :31:15.show that on was worthy of people entrusted me with their boat. If I
:31:16. > :31:23.fail on any step, I should hopefully be cut adrift, I worked to get onto
:31:24. > :31:29.the list, to shine sure people it wasn't just a glamour thing. The
:31:30. > :31:33.reality is that this isn't something I had to do, it's something I wanted
:31:34. > :31:42.to do. To do that properly, you start at the same place. Were you
:31:43. > :31:48.sporty at school? I was best at cricket and golf, but I follow all
:31:49. > :31:53.sports phonetically. Do you think it helps if you are fit and have the
:31:54. > :31:56.stamina? When you are a sportsman, you have a goal and you are working
:31:57. > :32:00.on something a few years in the future, everything is leading up to
:32:01. > :32:06.that event, and politics is like that too. Long-term plans. I think
:32:07. > :32:09.we have two new people in British politics and have done nothing in
:32:10. > :32:15.their lives at all but from work in research offices after Oxford -- too
:32:16. > :32:20.many people. Let's have characters in politics with a broad life
:32:21. > :32:22.experience. I think whether it is sport, business or the charity
:32:23. > :32:25.sector, people should bring something in from the outside, if
:32:26. > :32:32.you have performed well under pressure, which is a key part of
:32:33. > :32:43.sport, you have the same with elections, I want to get there and
:32:44. > :32:48.know if onlys. If only I hadn't... I want to look at the people, ask them
:32:49. > :32:55.for their vote and say I understand the issues in their area. You both
:32:56. > :32:58.suffered fairly serious injuries and both have continued with busy
:32:59. > :33:03.working lives. How have those injuries affected you in terms of
:33:04. > :33:09.the work you do and the schedule you have? I was back in hospital in the
:33:10. > :33:16.them, I had major surgery as a result of that crashed, there were
:33:17. > :33:20.some more bits and bobs of tidying up to do. It is like everything in
:33:21. > :33:24.life, we all go through bad things, it is about how we respond to them
:33:25. > :33:30.and in my case, it is a total refusal to accept that I cannot go
:33:31. > :33:38.on doing what I was doing before. Has it made you more determined? To
:33:39. > :33:42.firstly never take anything for granted, and focus on the things
:33:43. > :33:46.that matter to you. The future of this country matters to me because
:33:47. > :33:51.it is therefore my kids and grandkids. But the one I have been
:33:52. > :33:58.surprised that and want to be part of affecting change is the limits,
:33:59. > :34:01.whether they medical experts or in the sporting sense of people facing
:34:02. > :34:07.limits of what you can achieve, if you listen to them, you will only
:34:08. > :34:11.hit the ceiling. If you think, I want to get ahead, plot a pathway,
:34:12. > :34:16.you may not get there but you will break through the ceiling. I think
:34:17. > :34:20.somebody, who has had either a medical accident, a separation,
:34:21. > :34:26.whatever it is, you shouldn't let other people placed limits on you.
:34:27. > :34:36.How are you going to deal with UKIP? Who's that? What will your message
:34:37. > :34:42.bid to combat the threat? We need to create a place where the founding
:34:43. > :34:48.principle of the European Union is ever closer integration, which when
:34:49. > :34:54.the people of Europe, they can reject that massively. That is the
:34:55. > :35:03.first thing. There doesn't need to be ever closer integration. We want
:35:04. > :35:11.a divorce! That is what the majority now want. They can get remarried.
:35:12. > :35:22.Look at Liz Taylor and Richard Burton! We are going to have to let
:35:23. > :35:26.you go, I'm afraid. Did a good golf swing inhibit or enhance your
:35:27. > :35:32.batting skills? The two actually don't go very well together. You
:35:33. > :35:38.have to choose. We could talk about this for a long time! Not now!
:35:39. > :35:41.Thrilling though it is. As the Syria peace talks in Geneva enter their
:35:42. > :35:44.second day, the dispute over how to deal with the humanitarian fall-out
:35:45. > :35:48.rumbles on in Parliament. Labour want the Government to sign up to a
:35:49. > :35:52.UN resettlement programme and take in 500 refugees - and are planning
:35:53. > :36:00.to force a commons vote next week. Yesterday in PMQs David Cameron
:36:01. > :36:04.dismissed the programme as tokenism. Some countries are using this quota
:36:05. > :36:11.system as a way of saying, therefore I have fulfilled my obligations.
:36:12. > :36:14.When you have got almost half of a 9 million publishing at the risk of
:36:15. > :36:17.displacement, fact that the French or the suite are going to take if
:36:18. > :36:23.you hundreds, that is not fulfilling your obligations. -- French or the
:36:24. > :36:26.Swedes. Where is the massive amount of aid that Britain is putting
:36:27. > :36:34.forward is playing the most important role. We broadcast that
:36:35. > :36:39.live. We welcome viewers from Scotland now, they have been
:36:40. > :36:42.watching First Minister's Questions. And we're joined now by the Shadow
:36:43. > :36:53.Minister for International Development, Gavin Shuker. How many
:36:54. > :36:56.refugees should Britain take in? I think the government have got to
:36:57. > :37:00.decide that in discussions with the UN. To give you an indication,
:37:01. > :37:05.France, similarly sized country, omitted to take around 500. We are
:37:06. > :37:10.looking to resettle about 30,000 made strikes me it would make sense
:37:11. > :37:18.for us to step up to the plate. Why only 500? We have to do the due
:37:19. > :37:20.diligence to work out what we can deliver effectively, bearing in mind
:37:21. > :37:27.these are some of the most vulnerable people. That is why I am
:37:28. > :37:29.asking why only 500. There are around 4 million Syrian refugees,
:37:30. > :37:34.who are at the very least displaced, many of them across
:37:35. > :37:41.borders. So why, as a wealthy, prosperous, caring country, would we
:37:42. > :37:44.take in only 500? That is the point I'm making. We need to make sure we
:37:45. > :37:48.have decent support arrangements for those people when they do come stop
:37:49. > :37:52.we are talking about children who have lost both parents, who are very
:37:53. > :38:03.vulnerable, people who are torture victims as well. We know who we are
:38:04. > :38:10.talking about, why are Labour saying that only 500? For those people it
:38:11. > :38:13.isn't she tokenism and politics. For those people it will make a massive
:38:14. > :38:23.difference and it is a starting point. So how many would you
:38:24. > :38:26.envisage? Beyond the 500? If you look at the process that has to go
:38:27. > :38:30.forward now, the British government has to talk to the UN and decide
:38:31. > :38:34.what number it can effectively take. We are not party to those documents
:38:35. > :38:39.although starting point but we are saying something clear that David
:38:40. > :38:43.Cameron is not. You can't just rely on asylum seekers to meet your
:38:44. > :38:47.quota, would we want to do is make a difference for the most vulnerable
:38:48. > :38:54.people. Sweden, population about 8 million, much smaller numbers than
:38:55. > :39:01.us, have taken in 14,000 Syrians. And they are still taking more in.
:39:02. > :39:04.Here is the British Labour Party, a country of 60 million people, per
:39:05. > :39:09.capita income is higher than Sweden, and yet you are saying that we will
:39:10. > :39:14.take 500. What is it about the Swedes that they can take in 14000
:39:15. > :39:21.and the best you can come up with these most vulnerable people is 500?
:39:22. > :39:25.As you know from your research, the majority of those are asylum seekers
:39:26. > :39:28.coming in. What Winnie to make sure is we are able to greet those people
:39:29. > :39:33.who are seeking asylum, to go through the right protesters. But
:39:34. > :39:40.also make sure we have a programme that meets their needs. Which is why
:39:41. > :39:45.around 500 is the starting point. But we have to make sure we are
:39:46. > :39:55.meeting their needs. France is taking in 500. Other countries just
:39:56. > :39:59.more caring than we are? They aren't fitting in the same levels of
:40:00. > :40:06.investment in Syria that we are. -- putting in. That is humanitarian
:40:07. > :40:12.relief, not investment. For those lives, it is investment. If you look
:40:13. > :40:16.at the long-term challenge, whatever happens in terms of Geneva, we hope
:40:17. > :40:19.we have a good result, you will get a point where this conflict is not
:40:20. > :40:24.going to be resolved quickly, these temporary camps will be increasingly
:40:25. > :40:33.more permanent. We have a long-term responsibility. I would suggest that
:40:34. > :40:35.500 is neither here nor there. To many peoples surprise committee
:40:36. > :40:43.suggested that we should take more Syrian refugees. But the... You then
:40:44. > :40:49.spoiled it by saying we should take in Christian refugees. Christian
:40:50. > :40:51.values would say to us that where there are people, genuinely fearing
:40:52. > :40:55.for their lives, we have been the most accommodating country in the
:40:56. > :40:59.whole of the world in offering refuge people. We have lost our
:41:00. > :41:04.sense of British values. We are not having a proper debate because the
:41:05. > :41:09.two big political parties in this country have made such a mistake
:41:10. > :41:12.with total open doors to Eastern Europe that they are terrified of
:41:13. > :41:17.the immigration debate. We opened the door up to unlimited numbers
:41:18. > :41:21.from Romania and Bulgaria and closed the door to those who historically
:41:22. > :41:24.we would have given shelter to. If we re-established our own
:41:25. > :41:29.immigration policy, we could get back to Roger Chevalier 's. My point
:41:30. > :41:35.about the Christian people is it is appalling for all these people who
:41:36. > :41:38.have been displaced. There are thousands and thousands sheltering
:41:39. > :41:45.in Turkey, the burden on them is huge. It is bad enough if you are
:41:46. > :41:48.sheer or sunny, but at least in the region there are countries that you
:41:49. > :41:53.can go to. One of the big difficulties, and we're back to
:41:54. > :41:56.Iraq, one of the difficulties is that since the invasion, whole
:41:57. > :42:03.region is becoming very difficult for Christians indeed. So I was
:42:04. > :42:05.highlighting their flight. The Christians are now the most
:42:06. > :42:13.persecuted minority throughout the Middle East. You wouldn't want to go
:42:14. > :42:17.to Egypt now stop so maybe I'm the one hand, you think it is sectarian,
:42:18. > :42:23.on the other, it may be practical. Before I came into the tics, I led a
:42:24. > :42:27.Christian church and I have to say, Christian policy on this response is
:42:28. > :42:36.to let in not only questions that the most vulnerable. -- when I came
:42:37. > :42:40.into politics. They are not the only most vulnerable people. The most
:42:41. > :42:43.vulnerable are the ones without parents, who won't survive in the
:42:44. > :42:48.camps, who the UN are saying we should help. Isn't he on to
:42:49. > :42:55.something when he says, you have let in 70 people in power, you are now
:42:56. > :42:59.terrified of what immigration does -- let into many people. You know
:43:00. > :43:07.you should be suggesting a lot more people. No, I think a lot more. On
:43:08. > :43:11.that. Now, should women sacrifice having a
:43:12. > :43:14.family to ensure equality in the workplace? Nigel Farage seems to
:43:15. > :43:17.think so. His claims earlier this week that women make different
:43:18. > :43:26.choices from men for "biological reasons" has prompted quite a
:43:27. > :43:30.backlash. Let's see what he said. If you are building a career, and the
:43:31. > :43:37.broking industry lets say, which is what I did for most of my career. If
:43:38. > :43:42.you you are as valuable as the client base that will stick with you
:43:43. > :43:46.and move with you. In many cases, women make different choices to the
:43:47. > :43:50.ones that men make, simply for biological reasons. If a woman who
:43:51. > :43:53.has a client base has a child and takes two or three years off work,
:43:54. > :43:58.she is worth far less to the employer when she comes back then
:43:59. > :44:04.when she went for a, because the client base will not have stuck to
:44:05. > :44:12.her portfolio -- when she went away. If you look at the figures, actually
:44:13. > :44:16.before the Big Bang it was still an old boys club in the city, one I
:44:17. > :44:22.first worked there, it was a deeply sexist place. That has all gone
:44:23. > :44:27.completely. I don't believe in the big banks and brokerage houses, in
:44:28. > :44:31.Lloyd's of London, I do not believe there is any discrimination against
:44:32. > :44:37.women. I think young, able woman who are prepared to sacrifice the family
:44:38. > :44:42.life and stick with their career will do as well, if not better than
:44:43. > :44:45.the men. With me in the studio is a woman who
:44:46. > :44:49.has been very successful in the city. Louise Cooper is a financial
:44:50. > :44:59.analyst and commentator AND a mother - and is champing at the bit to
:45:00. > :45:05.discuss Nigel's comments. if you are a television presenter, you can have
:45:06. > :45:11.a baby and come back no problem. If you are a dentist, you can take time
:45:12. > :45:18.off and come back. If you are working on a brokerage desk, I would
:45:19. > :45:22.not even take a fortnight's holiday because that was too long to be away
:45:23. > :45:30.from those accounts. I was being specific. You said there was no
:45:31. > :45:35.discrimination against women in city firms. They are far more hard nosed
:45:36. > :45:40.and look at the bottom line. I do not believe the reason women are
:45:41. > :45:48.paid less in the city is because we have greater discrimination. I try
:45:49. > :45:52.hard not to lose my temper on air and I try hard not to insult people
:45:53. > :45:57.but for you I am going to make an exception. What you are saying is
:45:58. > :46:03.laughable, you are talking out of your bottom. For all the working
:46:04. > :46:08.mothers out there who are battling a day to day, and I know lots of them
:46:09. > :46:12.in the city, but not just in the city but elsewhere as well, who are
:46:13. > :46:18.discriminated against who are paid less than their male colleagues, who
:46:19. > :46:23.I looked over for promotion, I say on behalf of them shame on you and
:46:24. > :46:27.double shame on you because you have daughters. What kind of example are
:46:28. > :46:34.you setting to your daughters by saying what you said? Are you saying
:46:35. > :46:38.that banks in the city of London are openly and clearly discriminating
:46:39. > :46:43.today? Open and clearly is difficult, but they are
:46:44. > :46:49.discriminating. You said women go away for two or three years. I had a
:46:50. > :46:55.child and I had four months maternity leave. The maximum is 12.
:46:56. > :47:01.Why do they go away for three years? Maternity leave, gardening
:47:02. > :47:06.leave. Let me explain. In the city if you leave your firm you cannot
:47:07. > :47:13.work for anywhere else for at least three months. Most firms have six,
:47:14. > :47:18.12, 18 months of gardening leave. That costs the firm because you
:47:19. > :47:24.leave on day one with your bin bag. The new firm are willing to wait 18
:47:25. > :47:29.months for you to turn up. If it was so important for you to be there
:47:30. > :47:34.every second of the day and not have three months maternity leave, why
:47:35. > :47:39.does the city run on the let's poach other staff? Even more in the
:47:40. > :47:44.brokerage industry there is a lot of gardening leave and people in
:47:45. > :47:49.brokering firms are paying millions to guarantee somebody will arrive in
:47:50. > :47:54.18 months time which is far longer than maternity leave. Do not give me
:47:55. > :48:01.maternity leave, I say gardening leave back to you. The reason
:48:02. > :48:04.gardening leave was put in place is because people know any time away
:48:05. > :48:10.from accounts brings in the recent of risk. When I ran a company I had
:48:11. > :48:15.somebody say, I am resigning and I am going to do the childcare at home
:48:16. > :48:22.and there are now 1 million men at home bringing up children. In a
:48:23. > :48:25.fiercely competitive world like in the brokerage industry, women are
:48:26. > :48:33.disadvantaged if they have children. That is a single fact. You are
:48:34. > :48:39.saying in the city they are discriminated against. I am making
:48:40. > :48:44.the point that that lifestyle choice makes it harder. Some people manage
:48:45. > :48:50.it. I do not accept the city of London discriminates heavily against
:48:51. > :48:55.London. I do not accept that at all. You are saying women who have
:48:56. > :49:01.families are discriminated against, so women who have children are
:49:02. > :49:06.discriminated against? In a bottom-line business they make it
:49:07. > :49:10.hard for themselves. Louise is not the only person who has been
:49:11. > :49:18.screaming. We have achieved executive yet, we have a manager of
:49:19. > :49:27.a bank, they all have children and pets or all at the top of their
:49:28. > :49:31.game. Possibly the most powerful job in the Federal reserve, the head of
:49:32. > :49:37.the Federal reserve, she has got children. I wrote about the ten most
:49:38. > :49:44.influential financial women in the world. Eight of them have children.
:49:45. > :49:48.One of them is the head of one of the most successful hedge fund
:49:49. > :49:55.business in the world. Hedge fund is spend 20 hours a day at work. One
:49:56. > :50:01.was private equity. Christine Keeler guard at the IMF. It is laughable
:50:02. > :50:07.that because a person has a womb they cannot give the best to their
:50:08. > :50:12.companies. Women are paid 30% less in the city and I am suggesting it
:50:13. > :50:20.is because they make different lifestyle choices. Is that right? It
:50:21. > :50:25.may not be right, but it is the way the world is. Some women are happy
:50:26. > :50:30.to have a family and a big job, but it is difficult for them to do. If I
:50:31. > :50:36.am wrong, we have gross discrimination in the city. The
:50:37. > :50:40.reason why women are paid less in the city is because you played
:50:41. > :50:45.deliberately to all the sexist boss is out there and allow and caused
:50:46. > :50:51.this very problem. You have made the situation worse for all the working
:50:52. > :50:57.mothers, not just in the city. Would they be worth less in your party
:50:58. > :51:01.because they have children? No, I repeat I was talking about the
:51:02. > :51:08.brokerage business, a very specific audience. Deliberately people choose
:51:09. > :51:21.to have a row over it. I was being factual. It is not factual. I would
:51:22. > :51:25.not take a fortune of in that job 02 weeks. Some of these women can
:51:26. > :51:28.afford to pay for that childcare without losing the majority of their
:51:29. > :51:36.salary and that can be a big problem. Again I said shame on you,
:51:37. > :51:40.Nigel Farage. I say shame on you for all the daughters who are trying for
:51:41. > :51:46.a career in the future and for older women who want to work and they
:51:47. > :51:53.cannot work because childcare is so expensive. You are making the
:51:54. > :52:01.situation worse. I was talking about one specific area. Are you finished?
:52:02. > :52:05.I have finished, yes. Justin Bieber has been arrested for
:52:06. > :52:11.drunken driving and drag racing in Miami Beach! There's nothing he
:52:12. > :52:18.cannot do to improve his street cred. Politicians across the land
:52:19. > :52:26.are known for their probity, love of a quiet night in with a cup of
:52:27. > :52:32.cocoa. One famous Labour hod, the Red Lion has been turned into a wine
:52:33. > :52:36.bar. There is a metaphor in there somewhere. Before they all
:52:37. > :52:44.disappeared Giles is back to give us his guide through Westminster's most
:52:45. > :52:50.famous boozers. Two pints of Lager and a packet of crisps, please.
:52:51. > :52:55.When it comes to Westminster's watering holes, the Red Lion is the
:52:56. > :53:00.grand dad. It has been an establishment here since 1435.
:53:01. > :53:07.Whilst we are speaking of the evil, remember Charlie Whelan? He tweeted
:53:08. > :53:11.this is the pub where he told the Prime Minister Tony Blair we were
:53:12. > :53:16.not joining the euro. It is a place where people meet. A lot of people
:53:17. > :53:22.think it is a corridor with a bar in it. But this is the corridor where
:53:23. > :53:25.people walk back and forth into Whitehall into the Parliamentary
:53:26. > :53:32.estate. People gravitate around here. But it is not the only place
:53:33. > :53:37.where people drink. If you are looking for a more right of centre
:53:38. > :53:44.watering hole, it is this place, the Marquis of Granby, and on the
:53:45. > :53:47.pavement you will often find Conservative headquarters workers,
:53:48. > :53:54.party workers, several right-thinking think tanks around
:53:55. > :53:59.the corner whose staff comes here. Nigel Farage celebrated his local
:54:00. > :54:08.election victory in this place. But there is the Red Lion, there is the
:54:09. > :54:13.blue bull bar, but there is one place where people mingle quite a
:54:14. > :54:19.lot and it is not outside the Palace of Westminster. Inside Parliament
:54:20. > :54:25.there are only two buyers. One of them is attached to the terrace. The
:54:26. > :54:30.sports and social one tends to be for younger workers and only a
:54:31. > :54:35.handful of MPs use that for a variety of reasons. Strangers is
:54:36. > :54:40.where MPs entertain guests and talk to journalists and they might
:54:41. > :54:45.actually tell you what they think. It has had a fight, including
:54:46. > :54:50.head-butting, but it is the watering hole inside the Palace of
:54:51. > :54:54.Westminster. That is all I know. Lord knows why they thought I would
:54:55. > :55:01.know anything about this subject! He did his research. We are joined
:55:02. > :55:10.by two pints Kevin Maguire from the Mirror. There we are. Get that down
:55:11. > :55:21.you. I know you prefer champagne, Andrew. I guess the budget would not
:55:22. > :55:26.go that way. It is a bit sad? It is and the Red Lion is where Tony Blair
:55:27. > :55:32.was told by Charlie Whelan that Britain was not going to join the
:55:33. > :55:40.euro in labour's first time. It should have a blue flag on the
:55:41. > :55:44.outside! That politics is changing. Nigel is old school because he does
:55:45. > :55:51.drink beer and has been featured in buyers because now it is more women
:55:52. > :55:57.and family friendly hours. Now they are all having coffee in portcullis
:55:58. > :56:02.house. Have they taken the decision the new generation of Westminster
:56:03. > :56:08.people would rather be it a wine by about a pub? That is probably true.
:56:09. > :56:11.There has been a lot of pressure to open a wine bar in the hands of
:56:12. > :56:18.Commons itself, but that has not happened. Is it not the truth that
:56:19. > :56:22.Robin Cook's family friendly changes may have been good, but they have
:56:23. > :56:29.killed a bit of the nightlife of Westminster? It certainly has. You
:56:30. > :56:37.get the odd punch-up, but not that many now. Not enough to keep you
:56:38. > :56:44.hanging around. Eric Joyce is a rarity, but he took against the
:56:45. > :56:52.conservative MPs. Don't the Labour MPs get a bit lonely? They go to
:56:53. > :56:57.their own homes. If the choice is between a commercial pub like the
:56:58. > :57:01.Red Lion or a subsidised drink inside the palace, they are going to
:57:02. > :57:09.take a subsidised drink? Of course they are, they kept the pennies like
:57:10. > :57:14.anyone else and they do not get ?400 a month lightly used to get. What
:57:15. > :57:21.about the journalists? It is the same for journalists. A lot of
:57:22. > :57:27.sparkling water. Last night there were more of us not drinking than
:57:28. > :57:31.there were drinking. In the straitened times, time to find that
:57:32. > :57:33.the answer to the quiz. Which of these has the largest number of
:57:34. > :57:49.followers on Twitter? UKIP weather is new and enormous
:57:50. > :57:57.fun. Let's hope it is that. Do you know? You are right it has 109,000
:57:58. > :58:04.followers. You have 103,000. UKIP weather is the best. A man in
:58:05. > :58:10.Peterborough went into a pub and ordered a glass of white wine,
:58:11. > :58:17.council is on alert. A man won ?50 on a scratchcard. High winds at the
:58:18. > :58:21.garden centre in Kent after two men were spotted heading towards the
:58:22. > :58:30.plants without stopping to look at the ride on lawn mowers.
:58:31. > :58:36.Time for a drink, I think. Thank you to all of our guests. I will be back
:58:37. > :58:42.tonight on this week on BBC One with Alan Johnson, Michael Portillo,
:58:43. > :58:47.Miranda Green, Nick Watt and comedian Russell Kane and a female
:58:48. > :58:51.racing driver. I will be back at noon tomorrow with all of the
:58:52. > :58:56.stories today. I do not drink pints, so I am going to hand this
:58:57. > :59:12.over to you. I will drink it anyway!
:59:13. > :59:18.The average person moves home eight times during their life.
:59:19. > :59:22.So that's eight times we have to move the sofa.
:59:23. > :59:26.Eight times we have to redecorate.