:00:41. > :00:45.Good afternoon. Welcome to the Daily Politics. Should she stay or should
:00:46. > :00:50.she go? The Culture Secretary, Maria Miller, is under fire from all sides
:00:51. > :00:54.of the House. She's had to don a hard hat! Even the Tory grass roots
:00:55. > :00:59.are baying for her blood. Her boss, the PM, wants her to stay. Will he
:01:00. > :01:03.get his way? Flying the flag for EU
:01:04. > :01:11.renegotiation. We'll be talking to the Europe Minister David Lidington.
:01:12. > :01:15.The London riots caused mayhem but they produced an unlikely heroine
:01:16. > :01:21.who now has major political ambitions. She will be here to tell
:01:22. > :01:24.us about them. And can this baby bring new life to the Commonwealth?
:01:25. > :01:33.They don't look too happy to see him.
:01:34. > :01:38.All backed in the next hour. With us for the first half of the programme
:01:39. > :01:42.is Pauline Pearce, otherwise known as Heroine of Hackney. After an
:01:43. > :01:46.impromptu speech on the streets of East London during the riots in
:01:47. > :01:51.London almost three years ago, she is now a campaigner for the Liberal
:01:52. > :01:56.Democrats and is running for party president. We will start with
:01:57. > :02:00.welfare. Iain Duncan Smith will today outline reforms of the welfare
:02:01. > :02:05.system, announcing that from this month, claimants will have to
:02:06. > :02:11.prepare a CV and have weekly meetings with an adviser before
:02:12. > :02:17.receiving benefits. Should it be more difficult for people to sign on
:02:18. > :02:21.for unemployment benefit is Mac I think it is difficult enough for
:02:22. > :02:26.people who have two sign-on. The amount of paperwork that has to be
:02:27. > :02:30.done, every time they go to sign-on, they have to make a
:02:31. > :02:35.two-week progress of what they have done and how they have gone about a
:02:36. > :02:42.job search and present it to their agent when they arrive at the job
:02:43. > :02:48.centre. A CV to sign-on? How ridiculous is that? A CV will make
:02:49. > :02:53.sense for a job, but to get benefit and keep your life going, things
:02:54. > :03:02.that you should be entitled to if you are on low income or need help.
:03:03. > :03:07.Iain Duncan Smith would save people on unemployment benefit should
:03:08. > :03:14.prepare for the world of work. My argument is too dear Iain Duncan
:03:15. > :03:18.Smith, we have so many arguments about people should be getting
:03:19. > :03:26.work. There is the argument of where is the work? When I go to Tesco
:03:27. > :03:31.supermarket, IC six counters with one person standing behind. It is
:03:32. > :03:37.self-service. These jobs have been taken. We have to move forward with
:03:38. > :03:42.technology. They claim the jobs of their but maybe they are not evenly
:03:43. > :03:49.distributed. Getting on the bus, you swipe a card. We have lost the
:03:50. > :03:55.conductor. He were jobs. People not so educated can go for certain types
:03:56. > :04:01.of jobs. You have to have qualifications for stacking shelves
:04:02. > :04:07.now. What about finding -- finds the welfare cheats? I can go with that.
:04:08. > :04:13.There are people raking in money through welfare cheating. There are
:04:14. > :04:17.people whose money has been stopped the disability, for one reason or
:04:18. > :04:22.another and they are not getting what they should. Somebody who is
:04:23. > :04:28.more capable are not quite getting the help they need. The Liberal
:04:29. > :04:33.Democrats, in government, have broadly signed up, completely signed
:04:34. > :04:41.up, to a tougher welfare regime. Was it right for the party to do so? I
:04:42. > :04:46.do not feel we should have had a tougher regime. I understand why. We
:04:47. > :04:51.are in deficit and they need to recoup the money. They have to find
:04:52. > :05:00.the little avenues where we can find it. We are in a coalition. We are
:05:01. > :05:06.not totally in charge. Every job has a boss. It goes in layers. You start
:05:07. > :05:10.from the shop floor, to the management, to the boss, to the
:05:11. > :05:15.owners and directors. We will look at David Cameron as being the
:05:16. > :05:21.director and Nick Clegg one of the men just below him. We have to try
:05:22. > :05:25.to make things balance. Some things we have decided on might not be
:05:26. > :05:32.quite right but I feel we have achieved a lot. It is time for the
:05:33. > :05:38.quiz and it is about Michael Gove. According to a story in yesterday's
:05:39. > :05:42.newspapers, the Education Secretary recently explained why so many
:05:43. > :05:49.entrepreneurs are coming to London. What is the reason according to
:05:50. > :05:54.him? The favourable tax environment, the art galleries, the modern
:05:55. > :05:59.English cuisine, or, the hot sex? That will keep people tuned. Stay
:06:00. > :06:07.tuned until the end of the show to find out the answer. It's a story
:06:08. > :06:11.that's just not going away, however much David Cameron might want it to.
:06:12. > :06:14.The expenses scandal engulfing his Culture Secretary Maria Miller rolls
:06:15. > :06:17.onto its fifth day with fresh claims in this morning's Daily Telegraph
:06:18. > :06:21.that she might be liable for tens of thousands of pounds of capital gains
:06:22. > :06:25.tax on a London property she sold two months ago. On Thursday, Maria
:06:26. > :06:28.Miller was ordered to pay back ?5,800 in wrongly claimed mortgage
:06:29. > :06:31.payments on her second home in Wimbledon, and was found to have
:06:32. > :06:37.broken the ministerial code for failing to cooperate fully with the
:06:38. > :06:39.enquiry. The Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards had
:06:40. > :06:50.conducted the original investigation and ruled she should repay more than
:06:51. > :06:53.?45,000. This was reduced to less than ?6,000 once the standards
:06:54. > :06:59.committee, which is made up of MPs, issued it's final ruling on the
:07:00. > :07:05.Culture Secretary's expenses. The Culture Secretary officially
:07:06. > :07:08.apologised to MPs last week. But a number of senior figures, including
:07:09. > :07:11.cabinet colleague Iain Duncan Smith, say the current system is equivalent
:07:12. > :07:16.to MPs marking their own homework and needs to be overhauled.
:07:17. > :07:19.Meanwhile, Maria Miller appears to have very few friends even within
:07:20. > :07:25.her own party, with Norman Tebbit saying she had behaved arrogantly
:07:26. > :07:28.and called on her to resign. Today Mrs Miller is facing new claims that
:07:29. > :07:32.she may face a large capital gains tax bill on her Wimbledon house
:07:33. > :07:37.sale, if she told HMRC it was her second home for tax purposes. Number
:07:38. > :07:41.ten has denied the story. But with a poll of Tories showing that 78% or
:07:42. > :07:52.them want her out of a job, how much longer can Maria Miller survive? I'm
:07:53. > :07:55.joined now by Conservative MP and member of the Culture Committee
:07:56. > :08:00.Therese Coffey and Labour MP John Mann who made the original complaint
:08:01. > :08:03.against Maria Miller. Welcome. What is the difference between the
:08:04. > :08:07.allegation in the Daily Telegraph that Maria Miller may be due to pay
:08:08. > :08:14.capital gains tax and the flipping of homes that caused controversy in
:08:15. > :08:21.2009 and led to MPs stepping down in 2010? I am not her tax accountant.
:08:22. > :08:27.The house was sold in February. I expect she has not started to do her
:08:28. > :08:32.tax return and I expect she will pay the same amount of tax and HMRC will
:08:33. > :08:37.scrutinise her return as they do all MPs. What about the flipping of
:08:38. > :08:43.houses? She changed what was her main home to the second home, the
:08:44. > :08:48.Wimbledon property in London and a rented home in Hampshire. Is that
:08:49. > :08:53.acceptable for a Cabinet Minister? I do not know the details of flipping
:08:54. > :08:57.homes, I only know the allegation about tax and no taxes due yet on
:08:58. > :09:01.the sale of that house and it will be when her return is completed in
:09:02. > :09:10.this tax year. It was only sells three months ago. What is the
:09:11. > :09:14.problem? She attempted to intimidate the independent commission of the
:09:15. > :09:19.standards. She had to pay back money. A special adviser, try to
:09:20. > :09:25.intimidate in a national newspaper. And she has a seat in the heart of
:09:26. > :09:30.government. She is unfit for office, obviously. I have a suggestion, to
:09:31. > :09:40.reuse coffee trying to defend her and doing her best. Put Therese in
:09:41. > :09:45.the job and debt Maria Miller out and the country will be happy. The
:09:46. > :09:54.essential allegation that she was using taxpayers money to subsidise
:09:55. > :09:58.her parents has been thrown out. The issue is that there are lay members
:09:59. > :10:02.on the standards committee. While they do not have voting rights they
:10:03. > :10:05.have the power to give a different opinion and on the report published
:10:06. > :10:17.they did not give a different opinion. It is MPs marking their own
:10:18. > :10:23.homework. I do not see it is. They disagreed with the Commissioner on
:10:24. > :10:30.standards. As did the lay members. A difference between her saying 45,000
:10:31. > :10:35.should be repaid, for that Bill to be reduced. Having looked at the
:10:36. > :10:39.request extra information they took a different decision. There were
:10:40. > :10:47.three lay members on the committee. They took the view that was same as
:10:48. > :10:50.the MPs. Do you believe Maria Miller has behaved admirably? Many people
:10:51. > :10:57.said she obstructed the investigation. Do you think it was
:10:58. > :11:01.an admirable way to behave? I think this incident is going back 20 years
:11:02. > :11:07.when she bought the house. I have not spoken to her. I presume she is
:11:08. > :11:14.being tetchy about it because she was caring for her parents nine
:11:15. > :11:20.years before becoming an MP. I think she has reacted in that way. What I
:11:21. > :11:26.do not pretend to know her mind inside out and I expect she was
:11:27. > :11:32.careful to get legal advice. She was cleared, John Mann. She was cleared
:11:33. > :11:38.of fiddling expenses. Not by the Commissioner. You seem to know what
:11:39. > :11:43.happened in this committee. She is unique because the rest of us do not
:11:44. > :11:51.know because it met in secret. It is in the minutes. The recordings and
:11:52. > :11:56.votes have not been published. Self-regulation of MPs by MPs is
:11:57. > :11:58.truly dead because this committee overturned the independent
:11:59. > :12:07.commissioner. That should change immediately. Maria Miller should
:12:08. > :12:13.resign. Do you act sets there is an agenda, perhaps by the press,
:12:14. > :12:17.bearing in mind Maria Miller was the Cabinet Secretary presiding over
:12:18. > :12:23.press regulation, and from grassroots Tories, some of them who
:12:24. > :12:30.will be angry about gay marriage? I do not. People across the country
:12:31. > :12:35.are shocked and horrified that someone in the cabinet at the heart
:12:36. > :12:38.of government is prepared to try to intimidate the independent
:12:39. > :12:44.commissioner, to intimidate the press, has to pay back money, and
:12:45. > :12:50.has not got the good grace to resign, not even as an MP, but from
:12:51. > :12:55.Cabinet. I cannot find anyone in the country who backs her in doing that.
:12:56. > :13:03.It is incredible she has survived. What is going on? This is bad for
:13:04. > :13:07.Parliamentary democracy. The minutes are there. There was no
:13:08. > :13:16.intimidation. There was back and forth, I accept that. The committee
:13:17. > :13:20.chastised her for being legalistic. We are where we are and the point is
:13:21. > :13:26.that she was cleared of the central allegations. Why are so many people
:13:27. > :13:31.against her? Norman Tebbit saying she should resign? The party
:13:32. > :13:36.chairman, not robust in his defence of her. She has the support of the
:13:37. > :13:41.Prime Minister but critics say it is because he cannot afford to lose a
:13:42. > :13:45.woman in the Cabinet. Maria Miller has taken two pieces of tricky
:13:46. > :13:55.legislation through the house and frankly Norman Tebbit was calling on
:13:56. > :13:59.members against David Cameron. You do not think it is David Cameron
:14:00. > :14:04.cannot afford to let her go? He trusts her. She has dealt with
:14:05. > :14:10.tricky subjects. Both of which I take a different view one. I am in
:14:11. > :14:16.favour of second chances. I had a second chance. I have been to jail
:14:17. > :14:23.and been involved in a colourful past. But that is the past. How many
:14:24. > :14:28.people in their jobs do not go home with packages of paper or the odd
:14:29. > :14:33.pen from the office? It is still differ or do in some way. Give the
:14:34. > :14:38.woman a second chance. We have named and shamed her, make her pay back
:14:39. > :14:44.the correct amount of money. Is that the smaller or bigger amount? I am
:14:45. > :14:50.looking at the bigger amount, but that is my opinion. I am grateful
:14:51. > :14:54.for people like John, who, if he brings 1000 people forward every
:14:55. > :15:00.year, it is right somebody looks out for people doing no good. Sadly,
:15:01. > :15:04.less fortunate people in society, they are seen as the baddies but it
:15:05. > :15:10.shows it goes on at the top end of the scale. Is there a higher
:15:11. > :15:16.standard for someone in public office who is presiding over
:15:17. > :15:25.legislation? That they do not get a second chance and many MPs ended up
:15:26. > :15:31.in jail? Many people will be saying, sent her to jail. But if she is
:15:32. > :15:35.doing a good job, she has not gone into a bank and stolen money, she
:15:36. > :15:46.has not killed anyone, she knows what she has done and is aware of
:15:47. > :15:53.it. This is the same committee and they got evidence against James
:15:54. > :15:58.McShane. 78% of Tory voters think she should resign. If I read and
:15:59. > :16:03.believe what was in the Daily Telegraph, I would have the same
:16:04. > :16:10.view, but am not. There is a sense of justice. This is why I became a
:16:11. > :16:17.member of Parliament. To defend Maria Miller? Known to have a sense
:16:18. > :16:22.of justice and defend people taking difficult decisions on unpopular
:16:23. > :16:27.things. She was cleared. We have to remember she was cleared of the
:16:28. > :16:33.central allegation. Know she was not. She was cleared by the
:16:34. > :16:38.committee of fiddling her expenses, she was cleared of that and she was
:16:39. > :16:42.innocent of that. When you are making your claims, legitimately or
:16:43. > :16:49.not, about why you think she should or should not go, she was cleared of
:16:50. > :16:54.that. The allegation made was she was potentially doing the same thing
:16:55. > :16:58.as another MP and that should be looked into. That was the case that
:16:59. > :17:03.was taken against her and the conclusion made by the independent
:17:04. > :17:11.commissioner was she should pay back over ?44,000. You obviously have not
:17:12. > :17:19.read the complaint that was made. I have. A former MP bought a house
:17:20. > :17:24.after being elected and then moved out. She was forced to pay back
:17:25. > :17:27.money by the committee and she overruled the commissioner, she
:17:28. > :17:32.should go. We are going to leave it there. Last week Nick Clegg and
:17:33. > :17:35.Nigel Farage battled it out over Europe. Clegg called for
:17:36. > :17:38.cooperation, whilst Farage cried out for freedom. But now it is the turn
:17:39. > :17:48.of British business who have come out to bat for Brussels. The head of
:17:49. > :17:54.the trade body for British manufacturing said the case was
:17:55. > :17:58.clear. Britain should be concentrating on the economic
:17:59. > :18:02.benefits of staying in. Access to international trade deals, the free
:18:03. > :18:07.movement of labour and capital and so on. The message from British
:18:08. > :18:14.manufacturing and British business is very clear, we stay in and we
:18:15. > :18:19.drive the agenda from within. We can speak to Tim Aker sport UKIP. It is
:18:20. > :18:24.pretty categorical. The EU is good for business and for Britain and we
:18:25. > :18:31.have to stay in. We could have a trading relationship. If we leave it
:18:32. > :18:37.within 24 hours, we have a simple trading relationship. People thought
:18:38. > :18:41.they were joining a common market, not political union. If we were
:18:42. > :18:48.given the choice now to join the European union which costs us ?55
:18:49. > :18:54.million a day, I do not think we would do so. But why are these trade
:18:55. > :18:59.bodies saying they want to stay in the European Union and they are the
:19:00. > :19:03.ones who want to know? I can imagine the EU lobbyists going into
:19:04. > :19:10.overdrive. All British businesses are bound by EU laws and
:19:11. > :19:15.regulations. If you want a flexible relationship, you have to leave
:19:16. > :19:19.because the European Union is only going in one direction. Every time
:19:20. > :19:28.we have objected, we have been over ruled. If the Conservatives believed
:19:29. > :19:35.in their position of reform and negotiation why are they too scared
:19:36. > :19:40.to debate this? Are you saying the British manufacturing industry is
:19:41. > :19:44.wrong? We can have a simple trading relationship. We have only started
:19:45. > :19:50.debating this. Nigel Farage has been waiting for 20 years to have these
:19:51. > :19:56.debates. We have got serious figures like Lord Lawson saying the EU has
:19:57. > :20:00.passed its sell by date. We can have a simple trading relationship and a
:20:01. > :20:04.flexible relationship. They export more to us than we export to them
:20:05. > :20:11.and we would be in a powerful position to negotiate. And the
:20:12. > :20:16.Europe minister is with us now. A simple trading relationship. Norway
:20:17. > :20:21.has something like that, and it means they have to implement all the
:20:22. > :20:27.EU rules will stop they are not at the table and they have no vote and
:20:28. > :20:30.they have no say. What we need is a programme to reform the European
:20:31. > :20:35.Union and make it more competitive and more growth friendly than it is
:20:36. > :20:40.today. That is what David Cameron is pushing for, that we get the
:20:41. > :20:45.benefits of the single market, pulling outside investment into the
:20:46. > :20:50.UK, the biggest share than any other country in the common market and we
:20:51. > :20:54.get an EU that is much more focused on growth, job creation and more
:20:55. > :20:59.power is exercised at national rather than Brussels level. So
:21:00. > :21:04.Britain would be economically much worse off if we left? They would be
:21:05. > :21:09.definite costs if we were to leave. That does not mean I would say you
:21:10. > :21:15.sign up to a United States of Europe, some closed federal model,
:21:16. > :21:20.you have to get the balance right. At the moment the EU is not
:21:21. > :21:24.competitive and it is to centralise. Often business said it medals too
:21:25. > :21:33.much in things that ought to be left to individual businesses. In 2017 if
:21:34. > :21:37.the Tories are in power and there is that referendum and that
:21:38. > :21:43.renegotiation has not taken off to a certain extent, will you vote to
:21:44. > :21:48.stay in order to go? We will vote on the basis of the situation in 2017.
:21:49. > :21:57.You said the renegotiation would be very important. I start from the
:21:58. > :22:04.basis that the process of reform is underway. If David Cameron wins the
:22:05. > :22:11.next election it will gather pace. Look at a ban on discarding fishing
:22:12. > :22:15.in the fisheries, delivered under this Government. Getting proud of
:22:16. > :22:21.the Eurozone bailout which the last Government got us into. But even you
:22:22. > :22:28.have admitted the renegotiation will not start until after 2015. The real
:22:29. > :22:32.work is already underway, for example negotiations on a free-trade
:22:33. > :22:37.deal across the Atlantic with the US to match the one we have got with
:22:38. > :22:41.Canada. David Cameron was a reform process that goes further which
:22:42. > :22:46.includes elements of treaty change and political and legal change,
:22:47. > :22:52.which is what we are seeing already. The treaty change is one area of
:22:53. > :22:58.difficulty and debate. Let's look at the debate. Who do you think one? It
:22:59. > :23:04.is entirely a matter for the supporters of those two people. You
:23:05. > :23:10.must have the winner in your mind. If you look where the British people
:23:11. > :23:19.are, they are saying they would like to have a new deal in Europe. The
:23:20. > :23:23.polls are saying Nigel Farage one. If you ask people the kind of Europe
:23:24. > :23:27.they want and how they would vote if David Cameron comes back with a
:23:28. > :23:34.renegotiated deal with a more localised EU, that is what they
:23:35. > :23:37.would endorse by a huge majority. But the polls after the second
:23:38. > :23:43.debate showed a clear win for Nigel Farage whose only objective is to
:23:44. > :23:49.pull out. In your mind you think...? If you look at that debate
:23:50. > :23:54.you had people take the opposite view and it is not the mainstream of
:23:55. > :24:00.British people. Do you think it was right for Nick Clegg to do the
:24:01. > :24:05.debate? I feel he needs to get out there and let people know what we
:24:06. > :24:10.stand for and what we will put up with and what we will not. I believe
:24:11. > :24:18.in a fairer society and to have that we need to remain in the EU.
:24:19. > :24:24.Reformed or not, that is debatable. If we do pull out, there will be
:24:25. > :24:28.jobs lost, businesses will be broken down and there will be so much lost
:24:29. > :24:34.in the whole thing. I think Nigel Farage needs to go back to basics. I
:24:35. > :24:38.am not a rocket scientist and I may not be the brightest brick in the
:24:39. > :24:44.block, but I do note that to remove ourselves from the EU will be a
:24:45. > :24:49.catastrophe. So why do so many people believe Nigel Farage and they
:24:50. > :24:53.say that we can be like Norway and we can be part of a different
:24:54. > :24:57.relationship and not have the financial burden and cost of
:24:58. > :25:04.unnecessary regulation and still be able to trade with a big partner. A
:25:05. > :25:10.lot of people I have spoken to, I think a lot of people get it twisted
:25:11. > :25:15.with what Nigel Farage is saying. Some of them are the BP side of
:25:16. > :25:20.things who think we do not want any foreigners in this country at all,
:25:21. > :25:23.but it was OK when we needed to rebuild our economy after the war.
:25:24. > :25:30.We had to bring these foreigners over here and we used them to build
:25:31. > :25:35.up our economy. Now it is all up to a certain level get them all back
:25:36. > :25:40.home. It is not acceptable. I agree, to a certain level I do not
:25:41. > :25:44.feel Nigel Farage one because I think he got loud and in getting
:25:45. > :25:53.loud it makes it sound more forceful. Did the debates harm the
:25:54. > :25:59.Conservatives' position? You had one who was very pro the EU and one who
:26:00. > :26:02.was wanting to pull out. The more nuanced the position of the
:26:03. > :26:09.Conservatives and Labour, do you think they lost out? I do not think
:26:10. > :26:13.they lost out. But David Cameron needs to emphasise we are the only
:26:14. > :26:17.party who will give people the final choice on whether to stay in Europe
:26:18. > :26:21.or not and that has got to be resolved by a popular decision, to
:26:22. > :26:26.settle this issue for a generation definitively and to push to the
:26:27. > :26:32.successes we have already achieved and to what we want to do next. Will
:26:33. > :26:38.you worried British people will vote to go out? You have to trust the
:26:39. > :26:43.people. It is not just in the UK, but you see a huge sense of
:26:44. > :26:47.disaffection with decisions being taken in a remote, bureaucratic
:26:48. > :26:54.fashion, so we need the EU to change to respond to that. What do you say
:26:55. > :27:01.to the group of Tories who say we should pull out? What I say to the
:27:02. > :27:07.split views in every political party... It is clearer in the
:27:08. > :27:10.Tories. The answer is you put it to the British people. You agree to
:27:11. > :27:17.accept the view of the people and make your case in that campaign. We
:27:18. > :27:23.are representing the people, so if you are talking about who decides in
:27:24. > :27:26.the end it is the people. And like the Liberal Democrats who only want
:27:27. > :27:32.to have a referendum if there is a major bit of powers ceded to
:27:33. > :27:38.Brussels. The latest poll shows that UKIP is second to Labour and they
:27:39. > :27:41.are predicting UKIP will take the lead by election day. How big a
:27:42. > :27:46.catastrophe will it be if the Conservatives come third? Inevitably
:27:47. > :27:52.when you take difficult decisions and Government, you get a
:27:53. > :27:57.clobbering. But let's continue to campaign. The opinion poll that
:27:58. > :28:03.matters is the one on the day. You are saying it does not matter? What
:28:04. > :28:07.I am saying is when people come to elect a Government in general
:28:08. > :28:12.election Day focus upon what the choice is, who is going to be in
:28:13. > :28:16.Number Ten, who will be taking the legislation through and that is when
:28:17. > :28:27.people focus on the choice of who will be in charge. Some Tory MPs may
:28:28. > :28:31.worry. David Liddington, that you very much. Our guest of the day,
:28:32. > :28:36.Pauline Pearce, the heroine of Hackney, made that name during the
:28:37. > :28:41.London riots two and a half years ago. Our intervention was not
:28:42. > :28:45.planned, just an outburst of frustration, against members of the
:28:46. > :28:51.community who seemed to be turning against each other. That was a long
:28:52. > :28:58.way away from mainstream politics, but that is just what she is doing,
:28:59. > :29:02.God help her. In August 2011, a year shy of London hosting the largest
:29:03. > :29:08.sporting event, the Olympics, in the wake of a police shooting and to the
:29:09. > :29:13.amazement of many, London erupted in violence and looting. It spread to
:29:14. > :29:17.all sorts of areas and caused untold damage and destruction of
:29:18. > :29:21.livelihoods. What really stand was the willingness of some to join in a
:29:22. > :29:26.protest that had no game. In street like this one in Hackney the
:29:27. > :29:32.everyday norms transformed into a battlefield. It is a quiet afternoon
:29:33. > :29:37.on Clarence Road, but two and a half years ago on a Monday, August
:29:38. > :29:41.afternoon, this was another one of the spots around London which
:29:42. > :29:46.erupted in riots and most people watched it and thought, how is this
:29:47. > :29:51.happening and why is there not more of a response? It was only in the
:29:52. > :30:10.aftermath that people watched someone who took a stand and it came
:30:11. > :30:14.from an unexpected quarter. She is working hard to make her business
:30:15. > :30:22.work. And you want to burn it up, for what? This is about a man who
:30:23. > :30:42.was shot in Tottenham. Get it real, black people. Do it for a course.
:30:43. > :30:49.Let's fight for a cause! Local resident Pauline Pearce, sometimes
:30:50. > :30:52.finger, one-time jailed smuggler, DJ and community radio presenter stood
:30:53. > :30:56.in front of a crowd of looters and did what many people wanted to,
:30:57. > :31:05.shouted them down with angry disappointment. She became an
:31:06. > :31:09.instant symbol. Next morning, she told her community TV colleagues she
:31:10. > :31:14.was not alone. There were people here trying to stop others getting
:31:15. > :31:19.hurt. There were people genuinely here to support others. There were
:31:20. > :31:26.also people here for the looting, to get in the mix-up. Today, Clarence
:31:27. > :31:31.Road has people going about their business and Pauline Pearce, also,
:31:32. > :31:37.but in her case she has found a home, politics. Snapped up by the
:31:38. > :31:44.Liberal Democrats. One of the most important things people can do
:31:45. > :31:48.before they get involved in national politics is to become a focal point
:31:49. > :31:55.of your own community and somebody that people turn to. Whether you
:31:56. > :31:59.want to be a counsellor, an MP, or, the Prime Minister, ultimately what
:32:00. > :32:03.you are is somebody who takes responsibility for helping other
:32:04. > :32:08.people in the community. And shouting down an angry mob who seem
:32:09. > :32:12.to have lost their heads is pretty good training for the House of
:32:13. > :32:18.Commons. Very brave. The Labour MP for
:32:19. > :32:22.Tottenham joins us. Almost three years after the riots, do people
:32:23. > :32:30.recognise you as the woman shouting? My whole life has changed.
:32:31. > :32:34.I cannot just go into the market and by the fresh fish like I used to. I
:32:35. > :32:39.will be ordering something and people will say I know that voice.
:32:40. > :32:45.Somebody will say it is the woman from the telly. I am noticed
:32:46. > :32:52.everywhere. You are infamous? Not intentionally! You told the rioters
:32:53. > :32:58.that they made you ashamed to be a happy person, is that still the
:32:59. > :33:02.case? Not now. I would never be ashamed of Hackney. Part of the
:33:03. > :33:08.social cleansing does get on my nerves but we will not go into that
:33:09. > :33:14.now. People from Hackney are diverse, creative, energetic. This
:33:15. > :33:18.is a borough that is sought-after now. The amount of new faces moving
:33:19. > :33:25.to Hackney, it is like the riots have made Hackney famous almost. It
:33:26. > :33:32.is trendy and everything happening. It is a good thing, but also not in
:33:33. > :33:37.some ways. For me, personally, watching the journey, we have
:33:38. > :33:42.improved. People are community minded. They are observant of what
:33:43. > :33:49.is going on. Would you agree the community has changed? I would not
:33:50. > :33:58.go that far. You are a Tottenham man. After the riots the government
:33:59. > :34:03.spoke to people and came up with 63 recommendations. Only 11 have been
:34:04. > :34:08.implemented. How much has changed? In Hackney, in Tottenham,
:34:09. > :34:13.unemployment is still high. There are real pressures and the
:34:14. > :34:18.underlying causes... It takes a spark, but the underlying causes are
:34:19. > :34:25.present across the country. The Mark Duggan shooting triggered other on
:34:26. > :34:33.rest. It seemed to symbolise feelings that were beneath the
:34:34. > :34:38.surface. The majority of young people did not participate but there
:34:39. > :34:43.were people who had no shame and had no stake in society, such that they
:34:44. > :34:48.did. Those are the questions you have to answer and they have been
:34:49. > :34:54.forgotten. You must be careful what you say. It was not just people who
:34:55. > :34:58.have nothing going on. I said they had no shame. There were
:34:59. > :35:05.millionaires' daughters and teachers involved. They have a stake in
:35:06. > :35:13.society. You cannot say it is just bad social conditions. Some of the
:35:14. > :35:21.issues. A lot of it, but not all. At the time, there were no police
:35:22. > :35:25.around and people filled the vacuum. Underneath the worst riots we have
:35:26. > :35:31.seen in which many shopkeepers lost livelihoods, failure to get
:35:32. > :35:34.insurance for those poor shopkeepers and the underlying causes which the
:35:35. > :35:40.government said they would look into, quietly forgotten. Is Hackney
:35:41. > :35:47.still divided as a community? You talk about it being diverse, but is
:35:48. > :35:51.it a divided community? To be honest, yes. The social cleansing in
:35:52. > :35:58.Hackney is so evident, it is unbelievable. What do you mean? We
:35:59. > :36:09.are between Stamford Hill and Shoreditch. We are the lesser...
:36:10. > :36:15.Hackney was looked down upon. Now we have found that Shoreditch is moving
:36:16. > :36:23.further into Hackney. We have the retro bars and cafes. We have trendy
:36:24. > :36:32.places going on. Some people are being left behind? A lot of people.
:36:33. > :36:35.Our condition is still there, that, with the right circumstances, or
:36:36. > :36:43.wrong set of circumstances, you could have another riot? This is
:36:44. > :36:51.about personal character, but I do not think you riot if you have a job
:36:52. > :36:56.and house. You cannot find a job in London, you cannot buy a house, you
:36:57. > :37:01.cannot rent a place. Wings are hard for groups of people in London and
:37:02. > :37:09.when you get that spark -- things are hard for groups. And when you
:37:10. > :37:15.get that spark we have to make sure people make the right choice. Could
:37:16. > :37:20.Pauline Pearce make a good party president for the Liberal
:37:21. > :37:23.Democrats? I wish you the best of luck within the Liberal Democrats
:37:24. > :37:28.but I do not want you to beat my Labour colleagues. I will tell you
:37:29. > :37:35.why the Liberal Democrats. When this happened, I found out I was courted
:37:36. > :37:44.by a Conservative, by the Green party, by the Socialist party and by
:37:45. > :37:53.Ed Miliband. I was invited to go to Parliament. I met them. I told what
:37:54. > :37:59.was going on with me and people were turning up at my homes. There was a
:38:00. > :38:04.newspaper sting saying I was selling drugs at my home. I had a dodgy man
:38:05. > :38:10.from my past. The paper revealed where I lived. He came to my home
:38:11. > :38:15.and film to be. It ended up that when I got in touch with the other
:38:16. > :38:20.parties, nobody wanted to know any more. Labour did not want to know
:38:21. > :38:25.any more. This is the truth. I got in touch with the Conservatives and
:38:26. > :38:30.I did not hear any more. But the Liberal Democrats, who did not run
:38:31. > :38:34.after me after the riots, they came along and said you are not the
:38:35. > :38:39.person who you were before and you stood up in the riots and defended
:38:40. > :38:43.people. You have turned your life around and they believed in second
:38:44. > :38:50.chances. Many people need the second chance I was given. In the end it is
:38:51. > :38:56.what we stand for. The Liberal Democrats rejected the riots panel
:38:57. > :39:04.set up. Part of the unemployment in Hackney, you are in the wrong party.
:39:05. > :39:12.Join Diane Abbott in Hackney. She hates my guts! Let me tell you
:39:13. > :39:21.stories about what has been going on, really. We will give you a
:39:22. > :39:25.second chance, come back next time. The political week kicks off with
:39:26. > :39:28.Iain Duncan Smith giving a speech on jobs and the labour market. Tuesday
:39:29. > :39:31.brings the first-ever state visit by an Irish head of state. Windsor
:39:32. > :39:35.Castle will play host to President Michael D Higgins. We have our usual
:39:36. > :39:38.helping of PMQs on Wednesday. Which is just before Parliament wraps up
:39:39. > :39:42.for Easter recess on Thursday. But if you're still hungry for more, the
:39:43. > :39:45.Conservatives and SNP are hosting conferences this weekend. Not
:39:46. > :39:53.together, mind. On College Green are the Sun's Emily Ashton, and the
:39:54. > :39:59.Spectator's James Forsyth. James Forsyth, will Maria Miller
:40:00. > :40:04.survived? The chance of Maria Miller going in the reshuffle are
:40:05. > :40:08.increasing. She handled this badly. David Cameron, he does not want the
:40:09. > :40:11.media deciding who is in his government so I think he will be
:40:12. > :40:16.reluctant to lose her before the reshuffle. In terms of the special
:40:17. > :40:25.adviser to Maria Miller, how much impact has backed conversation, that
:40:26. > :40:28.she had with the Telegraph, with Lavis and brought up, how much
:40:29. > :40:39.impact will have that on her future? -- Leveson. She talked about
:40:40. > :40:43.flagging up the enquiry and that did not go down well. It feeds into us
:40:44. > :40:50.against them mentality, MPs and advisers gathering around two
:40:51. > :40:57.shields the minister from the public glare. This will delight
:40:58. > :41:00.antiestablishment UKIP, who are fighting for European elections and
:41:01. > :41:07.local elections, saying, look, that is what they are like, the three
:41:08. > :41:13.main parties. Do you think it is partly due to a newspaper campaign
:41:14. > :41:20.against a minister because of press regulation and her role in
:41:21. > :41:25.legislation over gay marriage? It touches a nerve in the political
:41:26. > :41:29.system. A lot of the success in UKIP comes from the sense that the
:41:30. > :41:34.expenses scandal created, that MPs are in it for themselves. One of her
:41:35. > :41:38.problems is she has not explained that what she is in trouble over is
:41:39. > :41:44.a system that has been reformed twice. On Thursday, she could have
:41:45. > :41:48.said I am glad we have changed the system because I now see it was
:41:49. > :41:53.wrong. It is her failure to apologise that put her in a
:41:54. > :41:59.difficult position. Is it a mistake the prime minister backed her so
:42:00. > :42:02.forcefully? I think he was always going to back her personally and I
:42:03. > :42:09.think he hopes she will ride it out until the reshuffle. Now he is
:42:10. > :42:12.moving towards reforming the system of MPs marking their own home work
:42:13. > :42:19.and the standards committee deciding what punishments MPs should get,
:42:20. > :42:23.rather than the Commissioner. He is looking at the independent members
:42:24. > :42:26.on the committee getting a vote, hoping to shift the argument,
:42:27. > :42:32.blaming the system rather than individuals. What about welfare
:42:33. > :42:40.reform, how much traction will the latest reforms get? I think this is
:42:41. > :42:45.an attempt to spread a more positive message. The speech is not about
:42:46. > :42:49.welfare cuts, it is about reform is getting people into work. Jobs is
:42:50. > :42:55.the great success story of his government. It is the great symbol,
:42:56. > :43:00.that the benefits of recovery as Labour claim are not just going to a
:43:01. > :43:03.Schubert to more than 1 million people who have found a job. That is
:43:04. > :43:11.something the Tories will be talking about more, jobs. But the line is it
:43:12. > :43:17.will be a tough message on welfare? Yes, if you are a job-seeker you
:43:18. > :43:21.might have to go monthly and do -- weekly rather than monthly. It is
:43:22. > :43:31.about getting people into work rather than slashing benefits for
:43:32. > :43:34.the sake of it. Joining me for the rest of today are some wannabe MPs.
:43:35. > :43:37.Three prospective parliamentary candidates. The Conservative, Andrea
:43:38. > :43:39.Jenkyns. She'll be fighting Ed Balls for his seat at the next election.
:43:40. > :43:42.Labour's Polly Billington. She's fighting in Thurrock. And from the
:43:43. > :43:45.Liberal Democrats, Julia Goldsworthy. She's already been an
:43:46. > :43:48.MP, but her lost her seat, Camborne and Redruth, to the Conservatives at
:43:49. > :43:51.the last election. Welcome. Polly Billington, is
:43:52. > :43:58.expenses still an issue on the doorstep? It is when you find a
:43:59. > :44:04.Cabinet minister owes 45 thousand pounds and is not prepared to pay it
:44:05. > :44:13.back. That is a puzzle, why Maria Miller is still in her job. If
:44:14. > :44:15.people had found themselves in the situation of claiming that money and
:44:16. > :44:20.did not give it back, they would have lost their job. She was cleared
:44:21. > :44:31.of the central allegation. Should she go? It is a bigger issue. It was
:44:32. > :44:41.prior to 2005, when this happened, anyway, and there are new procedures
:44:42. > :44:44.now. The big issue is there is a disconnect between politicians and
:44:45. > :44:50.the general public. I would like to see the committee... We need more
:44:51. > :44:54.name members and they need voting powers. There is more transparency
:44:55. > :45:00.in the current system because everything is online. And I think it
:45:01. > :45:05.needs to go further. Will it make it more difficult for you on the
:45:06. > :45:10.doorstep? I found that people are not talking to me personally about
:45:11. > :45:17.that, they are talking about an employment, schools and local
:45:18. > :45:22.issues. -- unemployment. You go into politics to make a difference and if
:45:23. > :45:29.you put your head above the parapet, you have to take it. Why go through
:45:30. > :45:34.it all again? The things that got me involved in politics affect me now,
:45:35. > :45:38.it is about my home constituency, I would not want to stand anywhere
:45:39. > :45:43.else. It is about voter engagement and helping people is rewarding. I
:45:44. > :45:48.had an opportunity to demonstrate what is motivating me as an unpaid
:45:49. > :45:53.candidate. But there is a massive disconnect between politicians and
:45:54. > :46:00.the public. The expenses scandal was the touch paper but there are many
:46:01. > :46:03.things that need to be reformed. People send these are politicians
:46:04. > :46:12.getting into the system with jobs for life who think they cannot be
:46:13. > :46:19.touched. What is the core motivation to become an MP? I got involved in
:46:20. > :46:24.community politics with the Liberal Democrats. Now they are in
:46:25. > :46:28.Government. I felt the opportunity to make a contribution to my
:46:29. > :46:32.community and that demonstrates what the Liberal Democrats want to
:46:33. > :46:38.deliver. 35,000 people in Camborne and Redruth are getting a tax cut
:46:39. > :46:43.and we are delivering the number one thing on our manifesto in 2010. We
:46:44. > :46:48.are saying these are the things we are delivering to you which is
:46:49. > :46:53.making a difference. What is the driving force for you? I got
:46:54. > :46:57.involved in politics when I was 15 when the schools where I lived were
:46:58. > :47:01.emerging and I got together with other young people who felt that
:47:02. > :47:05.this was an injustice and we worked out what to try to do about it. I
:47:06. > :47:11.have been trying to tackle injustice ever since. Eventually you find out
:47:12. > :47:16.if you want to be able to make a difference, you have to stand up and
:47:17. > :47:23.be accountable and that is important about being elected. Is it better to
:47:24. > :47:28.do that by being an MP? Many people will think they do not have that
:47:29. > :47:31.much influence and it is not until you become a minister or join the
:47:32. > :47:37.opposition that you have that. What will afford you that amount of
:47:38. > :47:40.influence? It is a choice and there are other ways you can make the
:47:41. > :47:46.world a better place. This is not the only way to do it. But when I
:47:47. > :47:51.have looked at what I have tried to do and tied to achieve things in my
:47:52. > :47:56.community, I have looked at where the power lies and said that might
:47:57. > :48:02.be the best way of me being able to stand up for the people I care
:48:03. > :48:11.about. Let's leave it there. Can I say why I got in? Yes, you can. In
:48:12. > :48:15.my mid-30s I thought if you cannot beat them, join them. It is OK being
:48:16. > :48:21.an armchair politician and complaining, but the big turning
:48:22. > :48:31.point was my dad when he went into hospital and he went in for an
:48:32. > :48:35.routine operation and he died. The hospital was filthy and there was
:48:36. > :48:38.such a lack of care and it made me realise you have to be in a position
:48:39. > :48:47.like this in order to make a difference. That is one of the
:48:48. > :48:50.driving forces for me. Writing in today's's independent Ed Miliband
:48:51. > :48:54.states that the cost of living and living standards is the greatest
:48:55. > :48:59.challenge of our age and will be at the heart of Labour's general
:49:00. > :49:05.election manifesto. He also rejected calls from within his own party to
:49:06. > :49:09.change strategy because the economy is improving. The Tory strategy
:49:10. > :49:15.seems clear enough. The economy is on the mend and if you don't want it
:49:16. > :49:22.broke, don't vote for Labour. 12,000 jobs for Asda in this country and it
:49:23. > :49:26.comes on top of 1.3 more that 1.3 million more people in work in this
:49:27. > :49:33.country and that is good news for Great Britain. Is the cost of living
:49:34. > :49:36.still working as a message on the doorstep when growth is predicted by
:49:37. > :49:42.almost everyone to keep on growing and wages will outstrip prices
:49:43. > :49:47.sometime later this year, it is a diminishing ever? That is not what I
:49:48. > :49:50.find when I am talking to people. The first thing people say is how
:49:51. > :49:56.difficult they are finding it to manage because costs are going up.
:49:57. > :50:05.What sort of people? Squeezed middle? Absolutely. The people vary
:50:06. > :50:09.from people who struggle at the bottom of the income scale right up
:50:10. > :50:14.to the people who commute into London every day who think they are
:50:15. > :50:19.on big salaries, but they are struggling with big mortgages and
:50:20. > :50:23.expensive travel costs and childcare costs. The Tories and Liberal
:50:24. > :50:29.Democrats will say of course people are struggling as a result of the
:50:30. > :50:33.recession and this is the way out. The recession would not have been as
:50:34. > :50:39.long if it were not for the decisions they made. They failed on
:50:40. > :50:43.their short-term plans. They are going to fail to end the deficit by
:50:44. > :50:48.the end of this Parliament and they will end up spending more on debt.
:50:49. > :50:53.This is a failing Government for ordinary people who want to have
:50:54. > :50:57.more hope. The cost of living must be a big issue on the doorstep for
:50:58. > :51:04.you in your constituency. Has Labour got it right? There is an element of
:51:05. > :51:08.truth. Of course we are recovering from one of the biggest economic
:51:09. > :51:13.crises this country has ever seen and it will take a long time to
:51:14. > :51:17.recover from that. But to say it is possible to do that whilst still
:51:18. > :51:22.continuing a deficit is ridiculous. You can only have a fairer society
:51:23. > :51:28.if you have a strong economy as well. You have to sort the economy
:51:29. > :51:31.out and take decisions that are responsible. You have to take
:51:32. > :51:39.decisions that focus on helping our people are on lower incomes. We have
:51:40. > :51:43.been focusing on the regional growth to rebalance our economy, and a
:51:44. > :51:49.whole series of things which recognise the pressure people are
:51:50. > :51:53.under and which also are doing that because we cannot put a burden of
:51:54. > :51:58.debt on the generation to come because that is taking money away
:51:59. > :52:05.that could otherwise be spent on public services. There is nothing in
:52:06. > :52:10.the current economic plan. In terms of business as usual, going back to
:52:11. > :52:13.a pre-crisis situation is exactly what the Tories and the Liberal
:52:14. > :52:19.Democrats are doing. In terms of house prices? In terms of financial
:52:20. > :52:24.services and house prices and I would like to point out for Andrea,
:52:25. > :52:33.the Tories wanted to deregulate the banks even further. We have got a
:52:34. > :52:39.financial crisis. Is that the line you are going to use, Labour broke
:52:40. > :52:45.it. We cannot get away from that fact. It was the worst economy we
:52:46. > :52:51.have seen for generations. It was an international crisis. Absolutely. At
:52:52. > :52:56.the end of the day we cannot get away from that and we need to get
:52:57. > :53:01.away from this blame culture. We have got good news with 1.7 million
:53:02. > :53:07.extra jobs being created in the private sector and 26 million people
:53:08. > :53:11.have been taken out of income tax altogether. That was the Liberal
:53:12. > :53:16.policy and you did that under duress. We all want the best for the
:53:17. > :53:23.country. We are getting through the economy and we need to drop this
:53:24. > :53:27.Labour fold rhetoric which is pulling down the fact that we are
:53:28. > :53:32.moving forward and there is light at the end of the tunnel. In 2010 it
:53:33. > :53:39.was Ed Miliband who said, we did underestimate the effects on the
:53:40. > :53:43.standard of living of people. If you look at the OECD figures that have
:53:44. > :53:48.come out they have shown it was actually the cost of living in
:53:49. > :53:57.respect of paying for food and being able to live. And energy bills. It
:53:58. > :54:00.was worse in 2007 than it is today. This is about messaging and you are
:54:01. > :54:05.talking about the cost of living and you are talking about jobs. Youth
:54:06. > :54:09.unemployment is still a serious issue. People cannot get the hours
:54:10. > :54:13.they need and they want to work. Part-time workers who want to go
:54:14. > :54:19.full-time, or many people who have not lost their jobs who are forced
:54:20. > :54:24.onto part-time work, that is not security for the future? Things are
:54:25. > :54:28.moving forward, it has been a massive journey and we are the ones
:54:29. > :54:35.with the long-term plan and we are moving in the right direction. Do
:54:36. > :54:38.you think you will unseat Ed Balls? I am not concentrated on him I am
:54:39. > :54:44.concentrating on being in the constituency. Let's have a look at
:54:45. > :54:49.the divide in the country. You are accused of a negative narrative when
:54:50. > :54:56.the economy is recovering and starting to recover. Is that going
:54:57. > :55:00.to sustain until 2015? Andrea might be very complacent, but when she is
:55:01. > :55:06.talking to people in the same way that I talk to people, you will find
:55:07. > :55:11.they are not in a position to say, it is working, because it is not
:55:12. > :55:17.working for them. If they are not on zero hours contracts they are on
:55:18. > :55:23.four or six or 12 hours contracts and people are having to subsidise
:55:24. > :55:27.that low pay. That is not the way we want to develop the economy. A cost
:55:28. > :55:33.of living crisis might be now, but for the future we need to have a
:55:34. > :55:39.different economy. What policy have you got? We would spend the money on
:55:40. > :55:45.a bonus tax on a jobs guarantee and up to 5000 people would benefit in
:55:46. > :55:51.direct and create new jobs. The bonus is being spent on a dozen
:55:52. > :55:56.other things? That is not true. I have to leave it there for the
:55:57. > :55:59.moment. It is tough being an eight-month-old prince. You don't
:56:00. > :56:02.get any time to enjoy your youth before you are expected to accompany
:56:03. > :56:05.your mum and dad on their royal duties. Yes, Prince George has
:56:06. > :56:09.arrived in New Zealand, with his parents obviously, at the start of a
:56:10. > :56:12.three-week tour of that country and Australia. But despite the obvious
:56:13. > :56:16.enthusiasm for the Royal visit is it time to call time on all this? The
:56:17. > :56:21.former deputy minister of New Zealand thinks so. He is a chap
:56:22. > :56:23.called Bob McKinnon. He says it is inevitable that his country will
:56:24. > :56:26.become a republic. The current Prime Minister, however, thinks enthusiasm
:56:27. > :56:29.for the Royal family has actually increased in the last decade, so
:56:30. > :56:40.just how important is the Commonwealth and the monarchy's
:56:41. > :56:49.place at the head of it? Julia, do you think William and Kate are going
:56:50. > :56:55.to save the monarchy? It reminds me what a shared history we have.
:56:56. > :57:00.Regardless of what New Zealand does, we will always have that history.
:57:01. > :57:04.They are an attractive couple, they have a gorgeous baby and there is a
:57:05. > :57:11.lot of interest around them and we will have to see how the visit goes.
:57:12. > :57:16.I've a popular enough to push New Zealand towards not wanting a
:57:17. > :57:19.republic? It is a voluntary organisation and people can be a
:57:20. > :57:29.part of it and it helps and support to spread democracy. Look at
:57:30. > :57:34.Zimbabwe. It is a voluntary organisation and we have countries
:57:35. > :57:38.coming on board who are part of our regional Commonwealth. I would like
:57:39. > :57:43.to see things continue personally. But they have to make their own
:57:44. > :57:49.decisions. Are they the biggest asset the monarchy has? I think the
:57:50. > :57:54.crisis 17 years ago when William's mother died when there was talk in
:57:55. > :57:57.this country about a republic, there has been a transformation of the
:57:58. > :58:02.fortunes because they have learned lessons about making sure they are
:58:03. > :58:07.in touch and these are a good example of that. What happened in
:58:08. > :58:13.New Zealand is up to them. Would it matter if they broke away? If they
:58:14. > :58:17.chose it so the British monarch was no longer their head of state, they
:58:18. > :58:22.would have to start thinking of the implications for the Commonwealth.
:58:23. > :58:25.Very quickly, just before we go, the quiz. According to Michael Gove, why
:58:26. > :58:27.are young entrepreneurs flocking to London? Because of the favourable
:58:28. > :58:33.tax environment. The art galleries. The modern English cuisine. Or the
:58:34. > :58:40.hot sex. Does anyone know the correct answer? I am not sure I
:58:41. > :58:46.would like to hazard a guess. Another reason why Michael Gove is
:58:47. > :58:54.so embarrassing. It is the hot sex, apparently. That is all for today.
:58:55. > :59:02.The one o'clock News is on BBC One now.