:00:39. > :00:45.Good afternoon. Welcome to the Daily Politics. David Cameron firms up his
:00:46. > :00:48.pledge for an in-out referendum on Europe, saying he won't lead a
:00:49. > :00:53.government that can't deliver one. Will it convince the voters? What is
:00:54. > :00:59.the EU ever done for women? Well, quite a lot say its fan, so would
:01:00. > :01:05.women suffer if Britain left? They have come a long way since the
:01:06. > :01:11.Sinclair C 5 but are electric cars the future of British motoring? And
:01:12. > :01:20.as another British politician admits they admire the Russian President,
:01:21. > :01:24.we ask what is it about Vladimir? All that in the next hour, and with
:01:25. > :01:27.us for the whole programme today is one of Britain's leading
:01:28. > :01:31.commentators on public opinion. She worked for the Labour Party where
:01:32. > :01:33.she was Gordon Brown's pollster, now she runs a company called Britain
:01:34. > :01:37.Thinks. She is Deborah Mattinson. she runs a company called Britain
:01:38. > :01:42.Thinks. She is Westminster to the programme. First pupils have
:01:43. > :01:45.returned to school in Leeds, where yesterday 61-year-old Spanish and
:01:46. > :01:49.religious studies teacher Anne Maguire was stabbed to death. A
:01:50. > :01:53.15-year-old boy a pupil at the school has been arrested. She has
:01:54. > :01:57.been remembered as a mass in the church next door to the Corpus
:01:58. > :02:03.Christi Catholic College. A priest, Monsignor Paul Fisher, paid tribute
:02:04. > :02:08.to her. She was so full of life, she was always extremely positive, in a
:02:09. > :02:12.way, people have seen pictures of her, her face radiates goodness and
:02:13. > :02:16.kindness, that is what we have heard from many of the people who have
:02:17. > :02:22.been interviewed and many of the tributes say this, she was a
:02:23. > :02:26.wonderful woman. Deborah Mattinson, a shocking crime. Mercifully rare if
:02:27. > :02:31.you look back over the last 20 years or so. And increasingly rare, that
:02:32. > :02:36.is why it is so shocking, I think if you go back, 10, 20 years ago,
:02:37. > :02:40.people were much more fearful about crime, violent crime felt like it
:02:41. > :02:43.was more round us, we have been doing a survey looking at London and
:02:44. > :02:48.how Londoners feel about London, contrasting what we are finding with
:02:49. > :02:51.the '70s and 80s where crime dominated. At that point four in ten
:02:52. > :02:55.people said they didn't go out at night because they were fearful of
:02:56. > :02:59.crime in London. I think that has changed and for the better, which is
:03:00. > :03:02.what makes tragic events like yesterday's all the more shocking.
:03:03. > :03:07.It is interesting the decline in crime and it has been slowly coming
:03:08. > :03:13.down in most areas of crime over the last few decades but an incident
:03:14. > :03:17.like this in a school raises questions again, about whether there
:03:18. > :03:22.are even small number of pupils going into school with weapons. Yes,
:03:23. > :03:27.the thing about should pupils be screened, should it be like getting
:03:28. > :03:31.on an aeroplane, terrifying prospect, but when something like
:03:32. > :03:35.this happens we look at what we immediate to do to stop it has
:03:36. > :03:39.beening again. I think there is a feeling and hope that this is a
:03:40. > :03:43.one-off tragedy, and not something that could lead to the sort of thing
:03:44. > :03:46.that you have described, which is Koreaning of pupil, there will be
:03:47. > :03:50.people who will call for that. There certainly will, but personally I
:03:51. > :03:55.would be hoping that against the backdrop of decrease in crime and
:03:56. > :03:58.people's, you know increasing confidence generally, no
:03:59. > :04:01.withstanding yet, confidence about going out and about and about their
:04:02. > :04:06.daily tasks it will be seen as the one off that I hope it is S Let us
:04:07. > :04:11.leave it there. People using public transport in and
:04:12. > :04:15.round London are experiencing severe delays as tube workers continue
:04:16. > :04:19.their 48-hour strike over plans to close all ticket offices.
:04:20. > :04:23.The Prime Minister has called the strike unacceptable, and here are
:04:24. > :04:26.the views of some commuters this morning.
:04:27. > :04:31.I have an important meeting so devastated. I am stuck. I am
:04:32. > :04:35.debating whether to go home. It is a long walk. I support them. The of
:04:36. > :04:41.course, it makes travel difficult, but that is the point, but what they
:04:42. > :04:46.are fighting for is jobs and safety and the retention of ticket offices
:04:47. > :04:51.in tube stations. I can't see how anyone would disa degree with that.
:04:52. > :04:55.Stressed. Annoyed. I want to get to work, that is all I want to do, but
:04:56. > :04:59.I understand the strike, the reasons and stuff, but it doesn't make me
:05:00. > :05:04.feel better. Views of commuters trying to get the work. Joining me
:05:05. > :05:10.from RMT head office is the acting General Secretary of the RMT union
:05:11. > :05:13.Mick Cash. Welcome to the programme. Mr Cash, according to Transport for
:05:14. > :05:18.London there is a good service on the Northern Line and all other
:05:19. > :05:22.lines are running a service apart from the Circle line and the
:05:23. > :05:25.Waterloo line. Do you consider that a successful strike? I think I we
:05:26. > :05:30.have had a major impact on the service today. We don't want to be
:05:31. > :05:34.in this position, but we are, because Boris Johnson, the Mayor of
:05:35. > :05:38.London, who has waded into this debate today broke his promise to
:05:39. > :05:43.the people of London. We desperately tried yesterday to make sure the
:05:44. > :05:47.action didn't go ahead, but unfortunately, London Underground
:05:48. > :05:51.management seem to be inran gent and determined not to listen to our real
:05:52. > :05:56.concerns about the future of the tube network. Let us look at the
:05:57. > :05:59.future in terms of plans to close the ticket offices. The Mayor of
:06:00. > :06:05.London isn't going to change those plans, is he? He hasn't got the
:06:06. > :06:10.money to verse the cuts. Well, yes, you are right they have turned round
:06:11. > :06:14.and said they will make ?50 million worth of cuts, but he made that
:06:15. > :06:17.promise and he should keep that promise, when we were talking about
:06:18. > :06:22.every single booking office being closed. Every one, it is madness,
:06:23. > :06:26.absolute madness. He should know that. They are talking about 1,000
:06:27. > :06:31.jobs going on the back of that. We will come to the jobs in a moment.
:06:32. > :06:35.Is there room for compromise? How many ticket offices would you be
:06:36. > :06:39.prepared to see close? You say you think it is ridiculous to close all
:06:40. > :06:45.of them, what about three-quarters of them? Well, look, I mean we took
:06:46. > :06:50.action back in February, and we suspend the action because we were
:06:51. > :06:53.promised a station by station review, promised a station by
:06:54. > :06:57.station review by London Underground management. That hasn't happened.
:06:58. > :07:01.The questions you are asking would have been answered if they had, I am
:07:02. > :07:07.getting feedback, the question you are asking is actually created, is
:07:08. > :07:12.creating the difficulties for us, we wanted to be in a position to
:07:13. > :07:15.examine detail, line by line, station by station, London
:07:16. > :07:20.Underground's rational for closing booking offices and getting rid of
:07:21. > :07:23.vital staff. We wanted to make sure that the travelling public,
:07:24. > :07:29.Londoners were properly consulted. None of that has happened. But you
:07:30. > :07:35.in principle accept the idea that the tube network could function
:07:36. > :07:39.efficiently if a large number of ticket offices were closed? No, we
:07:40. > :07:43.do not accept that, we accept that we need to look at every single
:07:44. > :07:46.station and review what London Underground's plans are, and the
:07:47. > :07:53.rational behind it. We haven't had the opportunity do that. You are
:07:54. > :07:57.asking me to predetermine the outcome of a review, they have said
:07:58. > :08:01.you can have the review, but we will still close every booking office,
:08:02. > :08:06.and we will still make 1,000 job cuts. That is not the way to have
:08:07. > :08:11.meaningful discussions. Let us look at the job cut, because you are
:08:12. > :08:15.causing misery arguably to million of people in the south-east and none
:08:16. > :08:19.of your members is going to face compulsory redundancy. This is all
:08:20. > :08:22.voluntary and there are plenty of people offering themselves up for
:08:23. > :08:27.redundancy and they won't have their pay and conditions affected the ones
:08:28. > :08:33.who stay. No, there will be impact on the staff who stay, because you
:08:34. > :08:37.will have less staff to do the work. Is there compulsory redundancy?
:08:38. > :08:41.There are no compulsory redundancies are there? No, that is the problem
:08:42. > :08:45.you have got, if you let people go, when you haven't examined properly
:08:46. > :08:49.the need to close booking offices and to reduce staffing on stations
:08:50. > :08:54.you are going to be in a situation where you put the quality of service
:08:55. > :08:58.and safety at risk, hand is why we wanted this proper, full and
:08:59. > :09:02.meaningful consultation, that has not happened and I ambit early
:09:03. > :09:09.disappoint about that. We shouldn't be in this position. Yesterday when
:09:10. > :09:14.we met Mike Brown, we said we have drawn the threat over theory booking
:09:15. > :09:17.office, let us have a proper consultation, not only with with us
:09:18. > :09:20.but the travelling people and the people of London. They refused that.
:09:21. > :09:25.If they had accepted that suggestion s we wouldn't be talking today about
:09:26. > :09:29.industrial action, and it would not havehad. I am disappointed about
:09:30. > :09:33.that. The other trade union involved is still in talks with Transport for
:09:34. > :09:36.London, so why aren't you still in talks, if the transport Sallied --
:09:37. > :09:41.salaried staff association can go through the whole process, they said
:09:42. > :09:47.they will wait until the end, why have you walked out? Well, we
:09:48. > :09:50.haven't walked out. We have been in continuing discussions with London
:09:51. > :09:53.Underground since November last year, but certainly since March,
:09:54. > :09:56.February this year when we suspended the action, we have been trying to
:09:57. > :10:00.undertake these station by station review, we have a real problem here,
:10:01. > :10:04.because London Underground haven't done that, they have broken that
:10:05. > :10:08.promise, the other thing they are saying is whatever the outcome they
:10:09. > :10:12.are going to clovesry booking office and get rid of almost 1,000 job what
:10:13. > :10:17.is the purpose of having discussions if it is a sham exercise. Before you
:10:18. > :10:19.go do you think there is a chance next week's strikes will be called
:10:20. > :10:22.off? Well, I am hopeful next week's strikes will be called
:10:23. > :10:28.off? Well, I am that we can get round the table and talk with London
:10:29. > :10:32.Underground but they have to be stop being dogmatic, intransigent and
:10:33. > :10:37.make sure that the Mayor of London, who made promises sticks by his
:10:38. > :10:40.word. Thank you very much. Deborah Mattinson, public support
:10:41. > :10:47.for the tube strike is it there? In a word. No. I think that the union
:10:48. > :10:51.hasn't made their case. You know, people are facing huge amounts of
:10:52. > :10:58.disruption, and yes, there is no sympathy. Has it declined? We have
:10:59. > :11:01.had a number of sort of one day, two day 48-hour strikes. So you have
:11:02. > :11:05.seen a decline. There is a sense there is a bit of jockeying nor
:11:06. > :11:08.position in the union, there is a bit of muscle flexing going on, I
:11:09. > :11:12.don't think this is the way to win over the public. What about strikes
:11:13. > :11:16.in general? When we look at potential strikes by teachers, later
:11:17. > :11:22.on into the summer, is there support there? I think not. I mean, think
:11:23. > :11:27.the problem is that, the problem for unions is that they have to make
:11:28. > :11:31.their case in different ways, and it often becomes about the process s
:11:32. > :11:34.and not about the end. So, you know, there is very little about what the
:11:35. > :11:39.public benefit is, and that is where they need to be focussing, so, you
:11:40. > :11:43.know, the public, they are thinking how can I get to work, if teachers
:11:44. > :11:48.go on strike they think what am I going to do with my kid today? You
:11:49. > :11:51.know, the problem is about how they, how they make the case, the public
:11:52. > :11:56.case for what they are doing, and they are not doing that. OK. Leave
:11:57. > :12:00.it there. Just three weeks until the European
:12:01. > :12:04.elections and with the polls suggesting UKIP could come first and
:12:05. > :12:07.the Conservatives third, David Cameron has made a pledge on
:12:08. > :12:11.Britain's membership of the EU. Yes, another one. This time he said he
:12:12. > :12:16.won't stay on as Prime Minister if he fails to deliver an EU referendum
:12:17. > :12:21.after the general election. He said he would not barter or give
:12:22. > :12:26.away his pledge, and could not continue to be Prime Minister unless
:12:27. > :12:31.it was absolutely guaranteed a referendum would go ahead.
:12:32. > :12:37.This is the latest in a series of pledges from Mr Cameron on Britain's
:12:38. > :12:41.membership of the EU. It was in a long-awaited speech on Europe in
:12:42. > :12:46.January last year, that he first promised an in-out referendum on
:12:47. > :12:50.Britain's membership of the EU by the end of 2017 if the Conservatives
:12:51. > :12:55.won the next election. The Prime Minister said he needed
:12:56. > :13:00.time to renegotiate the terms of Britain's membership of the EU. Some
:13:01. > :13:07.Conservative MPs weren't happy that the referendum wasn't bound by law.
:13:08. > :13:11.Step forward backbench MP James Wharton, whose Private Members Bill
:13:12. > :13:15.attempted to legislate for an in-out referendum. Backed by the
:13:16. > :13:20.Conservative leader hip the bill passed the House of Commons. But was
:13:21. > :13:26.blocked by the House of Lords. So David Cameron's new intervention
:13:27. > :13:29.will be viewed at the latest attempt to convince sceptics his party will
:13:30. > :13:34.deliver a vote on the European Union. But will it work? We are
:13:35. > :13:38.joined now by UKIP Suzanne Evans, and Conservative MP Robert Buckland.
:13:39. > :13:42.Welcometo both of you. Receive, David Cameron says he will resign if
:13:43. > :13:49.he doesn't secure an EU referendum, it couldn't be clearer. If you want
:13:50. > :13:54.an in-out vote you must vote. How desperate is he to get those voters
:13:55. > :13:57.back? It does smack of extreme desperation, the fact is David
:13:58. > :14:00.Cameron has only promised that referendum if he is Prime Minister
:14:01. > :14:05.in 2015 and it is clear he is not going to be Prime Minister in 2015.
:14:06. > :14:09.So he has made another, yet another empty promise he can't fulfil. It
:14:10. > :14:14.can't be clear he is not going to be Prime Minister in 2015. You can't
:14:15. > :14:19.say that categorically. We have a polling expert. It looks like he
:14:20. > :14:23.can't win a majority verdict. If UKIP went away tomorrow the figures
:14:24. > :14:27.don't stack up for him. It is clear the Prime Minister accepts that a
:14:28. > :14:31.certain section of the Parliamentary particlety, never mind the voters
:14:32. > :14:35.doesn't believe he will deliver on a referendum, even if he is Prime
:14:36. > :14:39.Minister after 2015? I think it is clearer. The message is vote
:14:40. > :14:43.Conservative to get a referendum, secondly if there isn't an overall
:14:44. > :14:47.majority, then it will be a clear red line in any negotiations. It is
:14:48. > :14:50.obvious that the Prime Minister wants to be win the election, we
:14:51. > :14:54.want to win the election, but that it is going to be an important
:14:55. > :14:59.pillar of our policy platform we want a referendum for people to have
:15:00. > :15:10.an equal say, whether they are pro like me or against like Suzanne. The
:15:11. > :15:16.Liberal Democrats have made it clear that they wouldn't support the idea
:15:17. > :15:21.of a referendum, so he is ruling himself out as prime minister. We
:15:22. > :15:28.are assuming that people will vote in certain ways. This is about the
:15:29. > :15:36.general election. UKIP with respect can't. Only the Conservatives can
:15:37. > :15:40.deliver the referendum. Get a majority Conservative government,
:15:41. > :15:44.and we will have that referendum. Do you believe that there will be an
:15:45. > :15:51.in/out referendum? I think there will be as long as David Cameron
:15:52. > :15:57.does become Prime Minister in 2015. If he holds the balance of power
:15:58. > :16:04.with UKIP. That is the only way he will stick to his promise. So we
:16:05. > :16:06.need not just to put UKIP in the general elections but in the
:16:07. > :16:09.European elections stop but isn't that the problem? You may well do
:16:10. > :16:15.very well in the European elections, but when it comes to the general
:16:16. > :16:23.election, UKIP will fail to make the grade, and then it is a different
:16:24. > :16:30.matter. 2010 was a long time ago, but UKIP has changed since then, the
:16:31. > :16:33.knowledge we have about Europe, the voters, have all changed. Do you
:16:34. > :16:35.think Suzanne is right? Will it be different between the European
:16:36. > :16:39.elections this year and the general election next year? There is not a
:16:40. > :16:44.lot of evidence to suggest that that is the case. Certainly I would
:16:45. > :16:49.predict now that you will do well in the European elections, but I think
:16:50. > :16:57.what happens after that is anybody's guess. I am curious to see
:16:58. > :17:00.who you think will be Prime Minister in 2015 if you think it isn't going
:17:01. > :17:04.to be David Cameron. It does come back to this issue of trust, the
:17:05. > :17:08.fact that he has had to make this statement in the first instance. Why
:17:09. > :17:17.should people believe him? We had the cast-iron guarantee before and
:17:18. > :17:21.it melted away. Then we have the James Wharton bill that had to be a
:17:22. > :17:25.private members bill because he couldn't deliver it through the
:17:26. > :17:30.coalition. It didn't pass anyway for top these are all gestures. The
:17:31. > :17:37.James Wharton bill didn't pass because Labour, Liberal Democrat and
:17:38. > :17:47.the Lord's combined to make sure it didn't. The Lisbon matter was done
:17:48. > :17:56.by the time we came into office. We are talking about the future, the
:17:57. > :18:06.sort of reformed EU that we believe in, and we will get the referendum.
:18:07. > :18:13.You have just argued against your own argument. Unforeseen events
:18:14. > :18:18.change everything, just as you have described with the Lisbon Treaty. It
:18:19. > :18:20.isn't within your power to make a cast-iron guarantee even if David
:18:21. > :18:25.Cameron is Prime Minister. David Cameron is very pro E U. How much
:18:26. > :18:29.money is he going to put into keeping us in on a campaign? Look at
:18:30. > :18:33.how dirty the politics has got this week against UKIP. How much dirtier
:18:34. > :18:38.will it get? I think it is crude and new. UKIP claim that the ?5 million
:18:39. > :18:46.a day is being spent, and it is 24 million. UKIP claim that we are in
:18:47. > :18:52.deficit in terms of our trade with Europe, wrong. Goods and services,
:18:53. > :18:57.we are in surplus. Let's get the facts right, not have a debate about
:18:58. > :19:02.name-calling. On the facts, those of us who are positive about our
:19:03. > :19:05.membership of Europe will win. You are positive that if David Cameron
:19:06. > :19:10.doesn't succeed in repatriating significant powers, you will still
:19:11. > :19:20.vote to stay in? I think we should vote to stay in. There is every
:19:21. > :19:23.prospect, the Northern European nations are looking at things at the
:19:24. > :19:29.free movement directive to check that it might need to be redrafted.
:19:30. > :19:36.We could recast that to make sure it is not going beyond the intentions
:19:37. > :19:41.of politicians. It is all pie in the sky. This is real politics. The pie
:19:42. > :19:46.in the sky is the UKIP myth of Britain floating free on the high
:19:47. > :19:56.seas. It would devalue Britain's role. We have huge influence, and
:19:57. > :20:01.our influence... We do not. This is a negative argument, and it is time
:20:02. > :20:09.UKIP or challenged on the facts. Let Suzanne answer. You say we have no
:20:10. > :20:16.influence. We don't. Laws are not made in the European Parliament. The
:20:17. > :20:28.rules are made by unelected bureaucrats. Wrong. Wrong. It makes
:20:29. > :20:37.decisions. It is a shame that UKIP MEPs don't turn up to help make the
:20:38. > :20:43.rules. It is time we had to those who did hard work rather than
:20:44. > :20:49.absentia MEPs like UKIP. So why is a concern that UKIP might be going to
:20:50. > :20:53.top the poll? I'm interesting in the politics of Europe, and I want to
:20:54. > :20:57.persuade people of the merits of voting Conservative. Labour have
:20:58. > :21:01.come out to say that they won't change their stance on giving the
:21:02. > :21:06.British people a referendum post 2015 even if UKIP beats the mini
:21:07. > :21:11.European poll. What would the public like? Would they like Labour to
:21:12. > :21:14.offer a referendum as well? The public definitely want a referendum.
:21:15. > :21:18.Where they stand at the moment is fairly evenly split. Having said
:21:19. > :21:26.that, if the kind of reforms that David Cameron brought in does go up
:21:27. > :21:31.considerably. You are polling well in the European elections, but eight
:21:32. > :21:37.YouGov poll in March suggested more people want to stay in them to
:21:38. > :21:41.leave. It is a question that we have had for decades European propaganda
:21:42. > :21:48.coming from all of the main parties. No other party has had a high enough
:21:49. > :21:57.profile to deliver the opposite side of the story there is a lot of very
:21:58. > :22:00.effective anti-EU propaganda. If you stop someone on the street and ask
:22:01. > :22:09.them what the U has done for them, they don't know. You could say that
:22:10. > :22:14.the pro-camp haven't done their job very well. Thank you all.
:22:15. > :22:17.So, you all watched the big debate last night, right?
:22:18. > :22:20.I speak of course of the first of three televised debates
:22:21. > :22:23.between candidates for the position of President of the European
:22:24. > :22:25.Commission, a post currently held by Jose Manuel Barroso.
:22:26. > :22:28.Not to be confused of course with the President of the
:22:29. > :22:31.European Council or the President of the European Parliament.
:22:32. > :22:37.Here's a little taster of what you might have missed.
:22:38. > :22:55.We begin with Martin shots, the candidate for the socialist and
:22:56. > :23:05.Labour parties. And the candidate for the European Green party.
:23:06. > :23:08.APPLAUSE And the candidate for the Alliance
:23:09. > :23:16.of Liberals and Democrats for Europe party.
:23:17. > :23:20.APPLAUSE And the candidate for the European
:23:21. > :23:27.people's party. APPLAUSE
:23:28. > :23:29.Well, we did find someone if Brussels who
:23:30. > :23:34.Our correspondent Ben Wright is there.
:23:35. > :23:41.Ben, give us the lowdown on those candidates and who won the first
:23:42. > :23:50.televised debate? They are all very familiar names
:23:51. > :23:53.(ex-mac) these other people but those in the European Parliament
:23:54. > :23:55.have decided should be their candidate in the race to be the next
:23:56. > :24:15.president of the European Commission. It matters hugely who
:24:16. > :24:23.does the job. So we have a line-up of five, although only four were
:24:24. > :24:30.there last night. There was the spread of four from the green
:24:31. > :24:36.through to the EP P. It was an interesting spectacle. They are all
:24:37. > :24:43.believers in the European Union, not a Nigel Farage among them. They
:24:44. > :24:46.believe the European Union produces better economic growth, has a more
:24:47. > :24:55.coherent foreign policy. Of consensus. But there is a lot of
:24:56. > :24:59.differences, too. They had the anti-austerities voice, and the man
:25:00. > :25:03.of sound money. So there were different platforms laid out, and it
:25:04. > :25:06.was a novelty. For the first time, they are trying to put a single face
:25:07. > :25:10.to the various European political platforms. And he does have that
:25:11. > :25:15.feeling then of being more presidential. This is an important
:25:16. > :25:22.contest in terms of the European Union and any future economic
:25:23. > :25:28.policy, because there is diverging in whether you pursue more austerity
:25:29. > :25:34.for Southern European countries, or go for more stimulus, taking you in
:25:35. > :25:40.a different direction. Yes, and that is a very divided debate here in
:25:41. > :25:43.Brussels, still. All of the candidates concede that European
:25:44. > :25:48.growth is far weaker than it should be, and that the story of the
:25:49. > :25:52.eurozone crisis is far from over. There were fairly distinct economic
:25:53. > :25:57.platforms set out. One of the surreal things about all of this is
:25:58. > :26:00.that even though in the European Parliament have decided that they
:26:01. > :26:05.should do this, they should put forward candidates, and that in
:26:06. > :26:10.their view, the group that is the largest has the biggest majority
:26:11. > :26:15.after the European elections will be the candidate that becomes the
:26:16. > :26:18.European Commission, national leaders and the European Council are
:26:19. > :26:22.really not very happy about this at all. They think the European
:26:23. > :26:27.Parliament is overstepping its remit here, misreading the Lisbon Treaty.
:26:28. > :26:29.You are looking at quite a bust up after the European elections,
:26:30. > :26:32.because there are names knocking around that people like David
:26:33. > :26:37.Cameron and other European leaders would much rather have in charge of
:26:38. > :26:39.the European Commission, not any of these four.
:26:40. > :26:43.would much rather have in charge of the European Commission, When the
:26:44. > :26:47.next two debates? Good question. One is on May the 15th, being broadcast
:26:48. > :26:51.by the European broadcasting union, that is the one that will be shown
:26:52. > :26:54.on the BBC. I think there is another one before that. Ben, thank you very
:26:55. > :26:58.much. Well, quite a lot according to
:26:59. > :27:04.its fans, who say that a British exit from the EU would be
:27:05. > :27:07.a setback for women's rights. Paola Buonadonna is from the
:27:08. > :27:09.British Influence, a pro-EU pressure group, and
:27:10. > :27:23.UKIP's Suzanne Evans is still here. Paola, welcome to the programme. Are
:27:24. > :27:27.there examples of where we would be worse off without the E U?
:27:28. > :27:31.Absolutely, but first of all, it is not an abstract concept. I would
:27:32. > :27:37.argue that Britain working with its other partners in the EU has for the
:27:38. > :27:40.past 40 years contributed to bring forward measures that have made the
:27:41. > :27:45.lives of women much, much better. Starting off in 1975 with the equal
:27:46. > :27:50.pay legislation, and progressing on with maternity leave, parental
:27:51. > :27:53.leave. Measures fighting discrimination against women in the
:27:54. > :27:58.workplace, but also in access to services, really concrete measures,
:27:59. > :28:03.without whom the life of women would be much worse. And also, we with the
:28:04. > :28:08.other partners, the UK and the rest of them, are exerting a lot more
:28:09. > :28:18.pressure on other countries to make sure that gender rights are taken
:28:19. > :28:23.seriously and improve. Has that made much difference here in the UK. Are
:28:24. > :28:26.those achievements you talk about, such as equal pay, which many women
:28:27. > :28:31.would tell you still isn't a reality, many of those policies
:28:32. > :28:36.would be in place anyway, whether or not EU legislation had taken place?
:28:37. > :28:45.This is interesting, because if I understand it correctly, if your
:28:46. > :28:48.party triumphed in an alternative scenario in the general election
:28:49. > :28:54.next year, it would be your priority to take Britain out of the EE in
:28:55. > :29:00.order to create a huge bonfire of legislation measures. That is what
:29:01. > :29:07.you want? That is a logical end of what you envision? Is that what you
:29:08. > :29:14.think? That you would be rolling back rights for employees. That
:29:15. > :29:19.would affect women. We have heard Nigel Farage say that women with
:29:20. > :29:26.children are worthless to employers. It is true that we want a bonfire of
:29:27. > :29:31.an enormous number of regulations, we have had more than 4000 since
:29:32. > :29:39.2010 alone. Which ones? It is interesting that Paola mentioned the
:29:40. > :29:46.1975 equal pay act, but we had no need for it, because we already had
:29:47. > :29:49.the equal pay act of 1970. It tries to take over existing British laws
:29:50. > :29:55.and even water them down and make things worse for women. I can give
:29:56. > :30:00.you three examples of how the EU has made things worse for women. Let's
:30:01. > :30:05.take people trafficking. The majority of them are women sold into
:30:06. > :30:08.sex slavery. With the open door policy it is much easier now for a
:30:09. > :30:11.woman in the Czech Republic or Bulgaria to be told she is getting a
:30:12. > :30:17.lovely job in Britain, Germany, France, and find herself a sex slave
:30:18. > :30:23.in a brothel. Car insurance premiums have gone up purely because of EU
:30:24. > :30:26.regulation. We all know that women are the safest and most capable
:30:27. > :30:30.drivers. That is why we used to have cheaper car insurance. We no longer
:30:31. > :30:35.do. And zero hours contracts have been in the news all week. We can
:30:36. > :30:39.chart the rise of zero hours contracts which particularly affect
:30:40. > :30:44.women since the EU agency workers directive. It is big business's way
:30:45. > :31:00.of getting around regulation. because Tay a trafficked from
:31:01. > :31:05.outside and the this Government who had an opt out on EU wide
:31:06. > :31:10.anti-trafficking measures and decided to opt back in because
:31:11. > :31:14.Britain would have been a magnet for human traffickers, if they had been
:31:15. > :31:17.the only country not to strengthen controls and measures on that. The
:31:18. > :31:22.car insurance thing, that is the flip side of something else. That is
:31:23. > :31:25.a flip side of not treating women pensioners worse than male
:31:26. > :31:29.pensioners. If you want women to be equal, then you have to treat them
:31:30. > :31:34.equally with men, for everything you might think we have lost, we have
:31:35. > :31:40.gained something more substantial. Let me ask, in terms of the policies
:31:41. > :31:47.and bureaucracy you could like to get rid of. It is rue your party
:31:48. > :31:51.advocates scrapping a raft of employment rights for small
:31:52. > :31:55.business, including parental leave. No that is a myth. You wouldn't
:31:56. > :32:01.scrap parental leave, you won't want to see that being taken out in thes
:32:02. > :32:06.of employee rights? We wouldn't. It is interesting. When I look at the
:32:07. > :32:11.sources she puts forward for all these concerns she says, these
:32:12. > :32:17.policies she says that UKIP has, like establishing equal pay. Look at
:32:18. > :32:23.your manifesto. With respect I checked the website out. Was it not
:32:24. > :32:29.in your manifesto in 2010? ? That has been ripped up. Nigel Farage
:32:30. > :32:39.says we haven't got the 2015 manifesto. Which one are we working
:32:40. > :32:45.on. Nigel says he hasn't read the 2012 manifesto. What is on is it
:32:46. > :32:48.getting out of EU. Taking control of our borders again. You have no
:32:49. > :32:52.vision beyond that. We have huge visions beyond that. It is about
:32:53. > :32:56.green taxes, there is another way in which the EU has not supported
:32:57. > :33:02.women. 20% of fuel bills are caused by the green taxes that have been
:33:03. > :33:06.imposed by the EU. Who, who is affected worse? Very often British
:33:07. > :33:10.female pensioners living alone who are in desperate fuel poverty. Did
:33:11. > :33:15.you regret Nigel Farage's comment, you say he didn't say it, he did say
:33:16. > :33:21.women who leave to have children are far worse less in a client sense to
:33:22. > :33:27.employers and young able women stick with their careers do as well if not
:33:28. > :33:33.better than men if they sacrifice a family life. He made it clear he was
:33:34. > :33:36.with you, think, Jo, he was talking about that instance when he was
:33:37. > :33:39.working, nobody believes that. I certainly don't. Do you think as an
:33:40. > :33:47.intelligent woman I would be in a party like UKIP if I thought it was
:33:48. > :33:57.even remotely sixist? To you, you have written the rise of UKIP has
:33:58. > :34:01.been the... I want to clarify this, UKIP has come back and is enjoying a
:34:02. > :34:06.measure of success for a number of reason, and there are also good
:34:07. > :34:11.reasons why people feel annoyed about the way the debate has been
:34:12. > :34:17.conducted, about the fact that the Westminster elites are responding to
:34:18. > :34:21.the needs or worry, I don't want to disqualify or lessen the concerns of
:34:22. > :34:30.people who might be inclined to vote for UKIP. The Berlusconi-fication, I
:34:31. > :34:36.have to TM it, it is mine. Of British public life and media. When
:34:37. > :34:41.Berlusconi recreated himself as a politician in Italy he was given a
:34:42. > :34:46.20 year pass from having to explain himself, from having to answer
:34:47. > :34:50.supplementary questions in interview, from having to be
:34:51. > :34:55.coherent and or be ashamed of the kind of things that would have led
:34:56. > :34:58.somebody else to resign. Is Nigel Farage like Berlusconi? Not in any
:34:59. > :35:04.other respect but he is in this respect. He is treated as a
:35:05. > :35:07.phenomenon, above the rules. I want to bring Deborah Mattinson in.
:35:08. > :35:15.Suzanne Evans said she would not be in a party that is not sexist. What
:35:16. > :35:19.is the view to of women to UKIP? UKIP has less support from women
:35:20. > :35:24.than men. The classic UKIP supporter is an older man, however, there is
:35:25. > :35:32.an interesting gender gap, well, I mean, that is what the data bears
:35:33. > :35:36.out. It is true. There is an interesting gender gap in attitudes
:35:37. > :35:41.towards Europe, which is that men are significantly more likely to
:35:42. > :35:45.support staying in than women. Men about 42%. Women about 27%. Why?
:35:46. > :35:49.Well, when you ask women, you know, what the reasons for that is, they
:35:50. > :35:54.don't, they don't actually know enough, they are more likely to say
:35:55. > :35:57.I don't know. So I would say your positive case isn't being well
:35:58. > :36:02.enough made. It may be there, it is not well enough made. That is
:36:03. > :36:06.interesting. That is a poignant statistic in terms of the message
:36:07. > :36:15.that is not getting across to we I think what it is is that politics is
:36:16. > :36:19.dealt with an either boo-ho shouty rowdy rhetoric of Westminster, or in
:36:20. > :36:23.the case of the coverage of UKIP's, so far as a bit of a joke, with
:36:24. > :36:27.Nigel being the chap down the pub and so on and so forth. There has
:36:28. > :36:33.been nothing for women to tune in and to get a sense of what is
:36:34. > :36:37.actually... I would agree. Women are more disengaged with politics. It is
:36:38. > :36:42.just partly the nature of thing, women have a lot more pressing
:36:43. > :36:50.issues to concern about. Than politics. That is right. I really
:36:51. > :36:54.struggle. I think that is the issue. Politics a huge amount of time and
:36:55. > :36:58.energy. I sometimes think it is not so easy for women to get involved
:36:59. > :37:02.which is a great shame. Thank you. Now, our guest of the day Deborah
:37:03. > :37:06.Mattinson is an expert on what Britain thinks, she used to work for
:37:07. > :37:10.the last Labour Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. What does Britain
:37:11. > :37:13.think about the man who wants to be the next Labour Prime Minister Ed
:37:14. > :37:18.Miliband? We will ask her in a minute, but to get things started
:37:19. > :37:22.Adam took the Daily Politics mood box to -- Hertfordshire.
:37:23. > :37:27.If he wants to get into Number Ten he has to win in places like this,
:37:28. > :37:31.Stevenage, a Tory marginal, so where better to ask the question has Ed
:37:32. > :37:39.Miliband got what it takes to be Prime Minister? Yes or no? What is
:37:40. > :37:45.he missing? I don't think he has a grasp on anything really. I don't
:37:46. > :37:49.think any of them have to be honest. What are his most Prime Ministerial
:37:50. > :37:57.qualities? I don't know politics. Is He looks the part. Oh yes. He is not
:37:58. > :38:02.a bad man. First satisfied customer Ed. And he has fallen over. He has
:38:03. > :38:06.given up already. His brother would have been better. Really? Yes. Do
:38:07. > :38:11.you think he is going to lose Labour the election? I think so. So what is
:38:12. > :38:19.so wrong with him? He has no go. Really? No. Can he get some go in
:38:20. > :38:24.time for the next election. It will take a (BLEEP) miracle. There is
:38:25. > :38:29.something about his hair I am not keen on. Is there something about
:38:30. > :38:36.his eyes? Yes Why? He is confident. I saw him a few months ago. You have
:38:37. > :38:41.seen the real one. Got it on my phone to prove it. How does the
:38:42. > :38:44.cardboard cut off In real life I don't think he smiles that much. Ed
:38:45. > :38:49.Miliband is Labour. The working class people of this country should
:38:50. > :38:54.never vote for the Tories at all. There is a ruling class elite. You
:38:55. > :38:58.put a snipe on his face. He doesn't have a backbone. He stood up to News
:38:59. > :39:11.International, the energy firms Not if you look at him, he is more
:39:12. > :39:15.reactive than proactive. Give him a kiss. What were you
:39:16. > :39:18.saying about him? He is useless. What do you think it would be like
:39:19. > :39:25.to hang out with Ed Miliband? Boring. Boring completely. A night
:39:26. > :39:32.out in Nandos with Ed Miliband? I would be up for that!
:39:33. > :39:37.One member, one vote. Just like the Labour leadership contests.
:39:38. > :39:41.What is his best quality? He has the socialist principles and that is
:39:42. > :39:46.what is important to me. And other people. I don't think he has the
:39:47. > :39:54.gravitas to be Prime Minister. He is torn between the unions and the
:39:55. > :39:58.members of his party. The real Ed was here and he saw that
:39:59. > :40:06.result, what do you think he would do? Probably cry! What does he make
:40:07. > :40:12.you think? He is a really good chef. He is a really good chef. Yes, he is
:40:13. > :40:16.a chef isn't he The people of the marginal seat of Stevenage have
:40:17. > :40:19.spoken, they are clear he doesn't have what it takes to be Prime
:40:20. > :40:27.Minister. I know it is not scientific. Come on. I love the idea
:40:28. > :40:37.of Ed Miliband as a celebrity chef. Which one, I am not sure. With us is
:40:38. > :40:48.the Telegraph columnist Dan Hodges who probably doesn't think thinks he
:40:49. > :40:52.doesn't have what it takes. Does it reflect what you find in your polls
:40:53. > :40:57.in terms of people's views on Ed Miliband? I think that the polls
:40:58. > :41:01.very clearly show that Ed Miliband has some with to go in persuading
:41:02. > :41:05.the public he has what it take, having said that, I think it is the
:41:06. > :41:09.very first lady in your package said, you know, they have all got
:41:10. > :41:13.problem, she said none of them have it. None have what it take, that is
:41:14. > :41:20.what the polls beer out. We have never been at a point where all the
:41:21. > :41:24.political leaders are held in such low regard. -- bare. People look at
:41:25. > :41:29.them and say, you know what, I don't like any of them, and that is the
:41:30. > :41:31.situation we are in. According to your rivals, YouGov Ed Miliband
:41:32. > :41:36.scores better than the Prime Minister on thinks like honesty and
:41:37. > :41:43.being in touch with ordinary people, but loses out on strength and being
:41:44. > :41:46.good in a crisis, decisiveness, the things you would need for people to
:41:47. > :41:51.see you as the next Prime Minister. So a nice guy but not someone would
:41:52. > :41:55.like in charge, is that fair? Yes, I think that is fair, I mean going
:41:56. > :42:00.back to the point I just made there, if you look at this YouGov data or
:42:01. > :42:04.any data that looks at the attributes of leader, you will see
:42:05. > :42:08.the current batch score lore than any other previous group of people.
:42:09. > :42:13.The highest score anybody gets the average is in the low teens on these
:42:14. > :42:18.sorts of attributes, Ed Miliband does have one very clear strength,
:42:19. > :42:21.which is being in touch with the needs of ordinary people. And that
:42:22. > :42:26.is something I any needs to build on. Isn't that going to be key in
:42:27. > :42:29.the run up to the election? That is why the leadership and the Labour
:42:30. > :42:33.Party are pushing things like the cost of living crisis, if he is seen
:42:34. > :42:37.as the embodiment if you like of that, then that will do him a lot of
:42:38. > :42:41.favours. The Dee when people are choosing a Prime Minister is one of
:42:42. > :42:45.the candidates is best suited to be Prime Minister, as we have said Ed
:42:46. > :42:49.Miliband consistently lags behind David Cameron on all key indicator,
:42:50. > :42:53.what is interesting about Ed Miliband, I said to Deborah before
:42:54. > :42:57.we came on, we have had several discussions of this nature since Ed
:42:58. > :43:02.Miliband was elected leader and they are the same. The perceptions of Ed
:43:03. > :43:07.Miliband haven't really changed since the first six months after he
:43:08. > :43:10.was elected. He has that window to define himself, he failed. The
:43:11. > :43:14.public have made their mind up about Ed Miliband now. They won't be
:43:15. > :43:18.changing this side of the election and Labour will have to win the next
:43:19. > :43:23.election, despite Ed Miliband, not because of him. Do you they is true
:43:24. > :43:28.the perceptions were set at the beginning and that is it? I think
:43:29. > :43:31.that haven't changed as much as he would have liked them to have. I
:43:32. > :43:35.think there was some improvement. The cost of living campaign was
:43:36. > :43:39.successful. It put him on the map. The challenge, and it is a problem
:43:40. > :43:43.being leader of the opposition, famously it's the worst job in
:43:44. > :43:47.politics, it is very hard to get yourself in the limelight to get
:43:48. > :43:50.people to hear what you are say, he has not done that as well as he
:43:51. > :43:55.should have done. He needed clearer communications than he has had and
:43:56. > :44:00.he needs to up his game. But there has been some improvement. It is
:44:01. > :44:09.unfair to say there has been none. This is argument we have had from
:44:10. > :44:14.supporters, his approval ratings have, if anything deteriorated. You
:44:15. > :44:17.know, the interesting thing I think is tactically is the way the Labour
:44:18. > :44:22.Party keep doubling down own Ed Miliband. This is the strategic
:44:23. > :44:26.problem they have got. Because his approval ratings are so weak they
:44:27. > :44:29.try to build him up. They build their political strategy round him.
:44:30. > :44:37.Labour has quite a talented team, it has a number of talented front
:44:38. > :44:40.bench, Andy Burnham, Chuka Umunna, people who are interested in. Who
:44:41. > :44:44.can communicate well and they have been pushed to one side in this
:44:45. > :44:47.failed attempt, if you like, to build up Ed Miliband, and sooner
:44:48. > :44:51.rather than later the Labour Party will have to cut their losses on Ed
:44:52. > :44:56.Miliband and start to push the rest of the Shadow Cabinet. Not have a
:44:57. > :44:59.new leader? . No. I mean they will have to is that right to focus on
:45:00. > :45:03.the team. Do you agree with that? I think there is a need to bring the
:45:04. > :45:07.rest of the team forward and I agree that there is a talented team there,
:45:08. > :45:12.but I also think that you know, the party is not going to win, without
:45:13. > :45:17.persuading people that Ed Miliband is going to be a suitable PM. There
:45:18. > :45:20.is some way to go with that. I wouldn't disagree. Where I don't
:45:21. > :45:26.agree, I don't think there has been no progress, I don't think his
:45:27. > :45:30.ratings have got worse. We are debating whether he will be Prime
:45:31. > :45:33.Minister. He is currently losing the mantle of being leader the
:45:34. > :45:37.opposition which is being taken by Nigel Farage. We are going into the
:45:38. > :45:40.euro election, this should be Labour's breakthrough moment. Labour
:45:41. > :45:44.is fighting for its life, to even top the poll. Now that is a
:45:45. > :45:59.ridiculous situation for party in opposition. Except they would argue
:46:00. > :46:04.that it is more difficult for the Conservatives than it is for Labour.
:46:05. > :46:07.But he has taken quite tough positions, or certainly ones that
:46:08. > :46:11.are noticeable on things like Syria, on his own leadership
:46:12. > :46:15.election, and taking on the energy companies. Those were specific
:46:16. > :46:20.positions, you might not agree with them but they were positions. But
:46:21. > :46:24.this is the problem. He takes decisions which align himself with
:46:25. > :46:30.what he sees as his natural constituency, and the constituency
:46:31. > :46:36.he identifies is too narrow. So he has either appealed to Lib Dem
:46:37. > :46:42.switchers, or that part of the electorate the left Labour because
:46:43. > :46:52.of Tony Blair. At the point when he should have been introducing him to
:46:53. > :46:58.the public at whole, he lost it. Do you think Labour will win? No. They
:46:59. > :47:02.have been ahead consistently in the polls are couple of months. That
:47:03. > :47:13.must be in part down to Ed Miliband, surely? Labour are currently having
:47:14. > :47:16.a 4% lead with UKIP holding 12 or 13%. That is after the
:47:17. > :47:17.a 4% lead with UKIP holding 12 or 13%. That is after Government has
:47:18. > :47:23.been pursuing this historic posterity agenda. The key thing is
:47:24. > :47:29.on the two key issues of leadership and the economy, Labour is too far
:47:30. > :47:32.behind now to win the next election. You think it is a tactical mistake
:47:33. > :47:40.of Ed Miliband to be pushing the televised debates? If he hasn't got
:47:41. > :47:45.the sort of charismatic leadership style that Dan Hodges maintains he
:47:46. > :47:50.hasn't got, why push that? He would be very exposed potentially. Or does
:47:51. > :47:54.he not have much to lose? I think he might do quite well in the debates.
:47:55. > :47:59.Where we have got to, there is this common view that he is not hacking
:48:00. > :48:02.it, although by the way, the most likely outcome still has to be
:48:03. > :48:11.Labour is the largest party, even if it doesn't win outright. Setting
:48:12. > :48:14.that aside for a minute, if people's expectations are low, he
:48:15. > :48:19.can perform well. He is a good speaker. I think he might confound
:48:20. > :48:23.people and do much better than people expect. He is certainly
:48:24. > :48:26.starting from a low base, but the debates aren't going to happen
:48:27. > :48:30.because you can't have them without Nigel Farage getting into the frame,
:48:31. > :48:39.and David Cameron isn't gay to walk onto stage next to Nigel Farage. --
:48:40. > :48:47.isn't going to. He doesn't want to spend the next ten or 12 months.
:48:48. > :48:50.Now, Nick Clegg and Danny Alexander have announced details
:48:51. > :48:52.of ?500 million worth of investment to support the development
:48:53. > :48:55.of low-emission cars, including cash to provide more charge points
:48:56. > :49:08.I think we need to show people that we are keeping the price down when
:49:09. > :49:13.people buy them, so the government is funding a deduction of ?5,000 if
:49:14. > :49:18.you buy one. Second, we're making sure it is run, so we are installing
:49:19. > :49:24.thousands of charging points up and down the country. By this time next
:49:25. > :49:34.year, every electric -- service station will have an electric
:49:35. > :49:40.points. We will make cities and councils make bus lanes available
:49:41. > :49:45.for them. I really think if we can persuade people that they are
:49:46. > :49:49.convenient and affordable, and there is no need to worry that the battery
:49:50. > :49:51.will run out while you are driving it, more and more people will buy
:49:52. > :49:56.them. Nick Clegg.
:49:57. > :49:58.So, do electric vehicles really represent the future of motoring
:49:59. > :50:02.We're joined now by the Liberal Democrat MP Tessa Munt and Hilton
:50:03. > :50:19.It is going to take more than ?5,000 to change people's views. What it
:50:20. > :50:22.will do is focus more money on research and development so that we
:50:23. > :50:28.get the prices of these cars down. They are quite expensive. Some of
:50:29. > :50:33.them are. You can buy one for about ?16,000, which is still a lot of
:50:34. > :50:38.money. But we need to also focus on the huge benefits. If I bought a
:50:39. > :50:46.second-hand electric car, and there is a second-hand market gaining, I
:50:47. > :50:51.could actually save the purchase price of the car in one year in the
:50:52. > :50:55.mileage. It is about attitude and perception. Using programmes like
:50:56. > :51:02.top gear but people off electric cars? No, I don't think so. Quentin
:51:03. > :51:08.Willson, motoring journalist, is an avid supporter. When you look at
:51:09. > :51:13.urban milage, the average urban milage is 17 miles a day, that is so
:51:14. > :51:18.easily done. The capacity of these vehicles is going up and up. That's
:51:19. > :51:25.look at that point, of urban cars. I imagine Ben meisters are -- I
:51:26. > :51:28.imagined in my scenario that they would be useful, but most people
:51:29. > :51:33.don't have somewhere to park the car where you could charge it overnight.
:51:34. > :51:36.Isn't that a key problem? It is. I had an electric car for a year. I
:51:37. > :51:37.had a driveway with a charger. Isn't that a key problem? It is. I
:51:38. > :51:46.had an electric car for a year. When I moved to a flat, the car became
:51:47. > :51:53.hopeless. And they suffer in the winter. When it is very, very cold,
:51:54. > :51:59.the range shrinks down. If you're going to Gatwick Airport, it can be
:52:00. > :52:04.touch and go in the winter. What about more charge points? That would
:52:05. > :52:11.mitigate the fear of breaking down or running out. It would. They are
:52:12. > :52:19.fantastically good to drive. I have just driven hearing one. Are you a
:52:20. > :52:32.fan? Brilliant to do drive. It is very suitable for a very narrow way
:52:33. > :52:42.of using a car. Have you managed to persuade Tesla to let you drive
:52:43. > :52:46.their S? I haven't yet. That is why the research and development is so
:52:47. > :52:49.important. If you look at what happened with all of those things
:52:50. > :52:55.like solar panels, they were very expensive, limited government help,
:52:56. > :53:00.a little bit of help, it comes down and it keeps coming down. I have
:53:01. > :53:05.driven everything, I am lucky. The Tesla is the one car I haven't
:53:06. > :53:19.driven. I have driven fuel celled cars. I have more hope for cars
:53:20. > :53:24.powered by natural gas plus pollutants are an issue, which
:53:25. > :53:28.electric cars playing to. Hydrogen in a fuel cells in ten or 15 years
:53:29. > :53:32.could be the thing. You don't think there will be an electric car
:53:33. > :53:38.revolution? There is a place for them. Every car will have some kind
:53:39. > :53:43.of electrification, but big fat battery packs? Maybe not. Where will
:53:44. > :53:50.you put the new charge points? Where I live in Somerset, I live in
:53:51. > :53:56.Wedmore, and at the pub there, there is an electric charging point. What
:53:57. > :53:59.more could you want? I don't have an electric car yet, but these can be
:54:00. > :54:05.put anywhere. Glastonbury is doing a programme of having them in the high
:54:06. > :54:09.Street. In rural areas where you are going to do greater distances, I
:54:10. > :54:14.presume, then comes what they call the range anxiety, and you will
:54:15. > :54:24.worry. I would worry the whole time. The Tesla S... I do a few
:54:25. > :54:32.miles... There is evidence that Kessler and Audi would probably
:54:33. > :54:37.follow up with batteries. We can't let the other countries do it, we
:54:38. > :54:40.have to do it. Thank you both very much.
:54:41. > :54:42.Now, which political leaders do you admire?
:54:43. > :54:52.Well that's what the First Minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond has said
:54:53. > :54:57.Speaking on March the 14th as Russia was being accused of military
:54:58. > :55:00.aggression over the future of Crimea, which it has since annexed,
:55:01. > :55:02.in neighbouring Ukraine, Alex Salmond said he admires "certain
:55:03. > :55:05.aspects" of Mr Putin, including how he had restored part
:55:06. > :55:07.of Russian pride, although added he does not approve
:55:08. > :55:15.He's not the first party leader to make such comments, so let's have
:55:16. > :56:19.# What a man, what a man, what a man...
:56:20. > :56:30.And we're joined now by the psychotherapist Lucy Beresford.
:56:31. > :56:40.Deborah Mattinson, he an interesting character. Are these politicians
:56:41. > :56:46.right to say that they are full of admiration for, or admire him? If
:56:47. > :56:51.that is what they feel, they are right to say it. We asked people in
:56:52. > :56:57.a survey who they respected as political leaders, and I don't
:56:58. > :57:03.recall Putin appearing anywhere. He is not really on the public radar.
:57:04. > :57:07.He might be a little more now. Is it because some of our male leaders
:57:08. > :57:15.admire that rather aggressive, match... Alpha male, I can shoot a
:57:16. > :57:18.gun, I can walk through the hail. There is something about the way he
:57:19. > :57:25.has harnessed the nationalist fervour in Russia that anybody who
:57:26. > :57:28.was disgruntled at the collapse of the Soviet Union is supporting him,
:57:29. > :57:34.and maybe Nigel Farage things, I want a bit of that. And he is also
:57:35. > :57:42.may be trying to say, I'm not like the people before me, not like RAC,
:57:43. > :57:51.not weak over Syria like Obama. Not like Boris Yeltsin. Strength is what
:57:52. > :57:57.people want, even if you don't agree with what they say? What people want
:57:58. > :58:02.is strongly do ship. And you can't get much stronger than that. I do
:58:03. > :58:06.think there are gender differences there, and polling bears that out.
:58:07. > :58:14.If we look at what is happening in the UK, the Labour voters, women go
:58:15. > :58:15.for Labour with their soft values, and they think more of Ed Miliband
:58:16. > :58:18.than men do. for Labour with their soft values,
:58:19. > :58:26.and they Men are more likely to support UKIP, for example, and love
:58:27. > :58:31.Nigel Farage and the lavish... When we see Putin stripping off, taking
:58:32. > :58:36.his top off, he is saying, I am all man, I am the Fatherland. He is
:58:37. > :58:40.identifying with Russia. His destiny and the country's destiny are
:58:41. > :58:42.entwined, particularly because he has been in power for so long.
:58:43. > :58:49.Thank you very much. The One O'Clock News is
:58:50. > :58:54.starting over on BBC One now. Andrew and I will be here
:58:55. > :58:57.at 11.30 tomorrow with Prime Minister's Questions and all the big
:58:58. > :59:01.political stories of the day.