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:00:38. > :00:41.Morning folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.

:00:42. > :00:42.A prominent youth member of UKIP quits

:00:43. > :00:46.the party claiming it has descended into a form of "racist populism."

:00:47. > :00:47.Sanya-Jeet Thandi, seen here in last year's UKIP

:00:48. > :00:49.election broadcast, says the party's direction is "terrifying."

:00:50. > :00:51.We'll speak to UKIP's Director of Communications.

:00:52. > :00:55.At one time he was ahead in the polls and a win

:00:56. > :01:00.So has Ed Miliband's electoral strategy gone a bit flat?

:01:01. > :01:03.Who will be on the front foot at Prime Minister's Questions?

:01:04. > :01:05.We'll have all the action live at midday.

:01:06. > :01:08.And, no it's not a B movie, it's a campaign video from

:01:09. > :01:47.Their leader will be here to explain all.

:01:48. > :01:53.And with us for this televisual feast are two

:01:54. > :01:57.subterranean creatures that don't often see the light of day.

:01:58. > :01:58.The Policing Minister, Damian Green and the Shadow

:01:59. > :02:07.Now another day, another UKIP headline.

:02:08. > :02:10.A prominent Asian youth member has quit the party claiming that it has

:02:11. > :02:12.descended into a "form of racist populism."

:02:13. > :02:16.Sanya-Jeet Thandi, who's 21, wrote on a blog for the Guardian website

:02:17. > :02:19.that the party was turning the election into a game of us and them.

:02:20. > :02:24.Three years ago Miss Thandi was described by Nigel Farage

:02:25. > :02:36.Here they are appearing together in an official UKIP video.

:02:37. > :02:45.You are 18 and a rising star in the party. One of the other things that

:02:46. > :02:51.has often been said and in the early days of UKIP's existence, the BBC

:02:52. > :02:56.encourage this, we start out with this idea that if you believe in the

:02:57. > :03:04.United Kingdom and leave we should not governed from Europe, that this

:03:05. > :03:07.was white only? People say it is white only, it is ridiculous. We

:03:08. > :03:15.have Greek members, and Turkish. With is us now is Patrick O'Flynn,

:03:16. > :03:19.UKIP's Director of Communications and a UKIP candidate in the East of

:03:20. > :03:36.England in the forthcoming European This is your rising star? She was on

:03:37. > :03:44.Channel four News singing the praises of UKIP's policy saying it

:03:45. > :03:49.did not discriminate people from EU countries and other countries around

:03:50. > :03:57.the world. I am curious about that. Young people are free to join and

:03:58. > :04:03.leave parties as they want. I do think it is a bit shabby of her to

:04:04. > :04:13.be one week did bend our immigration policy and then throw the racist

:04:14. > :04:19.words in the mix. Have you asked her what has turned her? I have never

:04:20. > :04:22.had a conversation with her in my life, I did send a tweet

:04:23. > :04:30.congratulating her on Channel four News. I thought she was one of your

:04:31. > :04:35.rising stars? She was a prominent member, she has been concentrating

:04:36. > :04:40.on her studies. As recently as last week she did seem to be singing the

:04:41. > :04:48.praises of our immigration policy. Maybe you have been neglecting her.

:04:49. > :04:56.You do have priorities in life and our priority is the European

:04:57. > :05:01.elections. You are in here having to talk about it, the media on the

:05:02. > :05:07.left, the right and the Centre are talking about it. It follows from a

:05:08. > :05:13.coast of people saying inappropriate things in your party. It follows

:05:14. > :05:16.from you trying to make out you had a moment last week when you had

:05:17. > :05:23.members from various grounds all showing. It was a nice picture, this

:05:24. > :05:26.has blown it out of the water. Did you see the poll at the weekend

:05:27. > :05:29.which showed in the European elections, 16% of people from

:05:30. > :05:36.non-white backgrounds will be voting UKIP. I'd ain't we are making great

:05:37. > :05:42.strides in the ethnic community. Why can't you hold onto this bright,

:05:43. > :05:49.young star of which is politics? You can hold onto these things on an

:05:50. > :05:58.individual basis. You have chosen a candidate who has rather strange

:05:59. > :06:07.views on homosexuality. Those views are evolving. He said it in 2012,

:06:08. > :06:14.not that long ago, not the dark ages of the 50s. I think it was when he

:06:15. > :06:20.was a conservative, now he is in UKIP he is more relaxed. You have

:06:21. > :06:23.chosen another former Conservative to run in Grimsby who once said she

:06:24. > :06:30.wanted to send all of the immigrants back home. You are talking about

:06:31. > :06:38.Victoria it -- Victoria Ayling who said she wanted to send away the

:06:39. > :06:47.illegal immigrants. There has not been an announcement of the

:06:48. > :06:53.candidate. It is death by 1000 cuts. The polls say we are rising.

:06:54. > :06:59.Politicians tell me there is only one poll that matters. They do look

:07:00. > :07:06.at these polls very carefully. But every time you tell us it is just a

:07:07. > :07:11.couple of rotten apples and you are getting rid of them, something else

:07:12. > :07:17.jumps out to cause you major embarrassment. Our party has more

:07:18. > :07:21.than doubled the membership. We are on 37,000 and will have more to say

:07:22. > :07:30.on benchmarks soon. We have what Drew pulled our voting intentions.

:07:31. > :07:34.We have growing pains. I know it is something novel in British politics

:07:35. > :07:41.pause these guys have shrinking pains. She said in the Guardian that

:07:42. > :07:47.the reason she supported UKIP stemmed from liberal I hear, smaller

:07:48. > :07:51.taxes, and on immigration policy that was fair equal opportunities.

:07:52. > :07:56.Maybe she should have joined the Conservatives. But you have not

:07:57. > :08:03.delivered either. Sounds like she is eminently qualified with sound

:08:04. > :08:10.instincts to join the Conservative Party and I encourage her to do so.

:08:11. > :08:16.Have you had talks with her? Nope, I first learned of her existence over

:08:17. > :08:22.the past few months. So the Tories... I am only saying I

:08:23. > :08:30.haven't. Far as I know she has done this on her own. Would you like to

:08:31. > :08:38.have talks with her? I am interested in talking to people. Every time a

:08:39. > :08:45.UKIP councillor, MEP or candidate opens their mouth there seems to be

:08:46. > :08:50.another problem. Godfrey Bloom accusing women being sluts for

:08:51. > :08:55.failing to clean behind the fridge. His flatmate in Brussels has told us

:08:56. > :09:00.what he thinks of women. Patrick excuses the views on homosexuality

:09:01. > :09:08.with the excuse he is 70. What age has got to do with it. He is

:09:09. > :09:14.entitled to have his views. What has age got to do with it? Demographics

:09:15. > :09:22.show that older people are less comfortable with homosexuality. The

:09:23. > :09:26.point he is making, and it is fair enough, no matter how often these

:09:27. > :09:36.things happen, how often we in the media pounce on them, UKIP's ratings

:09:37. > :09:42.are not being touched? Patrick has talked about its growing pains

:09:43. > :09:46.because they are going from a small base to a less small base. They are

:09:47. > :09:56.attracting people, former members of the National front who are joining

:09:57. > :09:58.UKIP. Patrick was the director of communications when Andre Lamb

:09:59. > :10:05.picks, whose vile views were exposed on Twitter. They do not have a

:10:06. > :10:09.conversation with him as well? No one outside of UKIP either in the

:10:10. > :10:13.media or in other parties understand why all of this debt can be thrown

:10:14. > :10:22.at them but they are still doing well.

:10:23. > :10:24.Now, new figures released this morning show that a total

:10:25. > :10:27.of 140,000 Romanians and Bulgarians were being employed in the UK in the

:10:28. > :10:33.That number is down slightly on the total number being employed

:10:34. > :10:36.However, there has been a rise in the numbers

:10:37. > :10:41.These are the first set of employment figures since Bulgarians

:10:42. > :10:45.and Romanians gained the same rights to work in the UK as other EU

:10:46. > :10:49.Here's David Freeman from the Office of National Statistics speaking

:10:50. > :11:10.The number of people born in Bulgaria and Romania working in the

:11:11. > :11:15.UK is 140,000. We compared these figures from a year ago and last

:11:16. > :11:22.year there were 112 thousand Romanians and Bulgarians in

:11:23. > :11:26.employment. If you look at the total number of people born abroad who

:11:27. > :11:33.work in the UK, that increased to 172,000. The main impact on that

:11:34. > :11:43.change is from the eight countries that joined the European Union in

:11:44. > :11:48.2004. UKIP have said when the gates were opened in January two

:11:49. > :11:54.Bulgarians and Romanians on January the 1st they would come

:11:55. > :11:58.thousand. You got it very wrong? Nope, we didn't. The figure is down

:11:59. > :12:05.on Nope, we didn't. The figure is down

:12:06. > :12:09.doubt, Sir Andrew Green's central projection of about 50,000 more a

:12:10. > :12:13.year. Nigel Farage said this in his debates with Nick Clegg, he wasn't

:12:14. > :12:24.talking about debates with Nick Clegg, he wasn't

:12:25. > :12:30.400 million people. If you look at workers from

:12:31. > :12:33.400 million people. If you look at the year. From the eight other

:12:34. > :12:38.countries, 74,000 were in the first quarter of the country alone. It

:12:39. > :12:38.countries, 74,000 were in the first out of control. Nigel Farage, on

:12:39. > :12:43.question out of control. Nigel Farage, on

:12:44. > :12:49.doors, we are talking about when the restriction is lifted, the emphasis

:12:50. > :12:56.was put on that, he said opened the doors to 29 million vulgarians and

:12:57. > :13:02.Romanians. It is only 4% came, that with the over a million people.

:13:03. > :13:04.Romanians. It is only 4% came, that number is down. Since those

:13:05. > :13:10.restrictions were lifted because that is what UKIP talked about. You

:13:11. > :13:17.restrictions were lifted because were wrong. Based on one

:13:18. > :13:18.restrictions were lifted because benchmark. We are

:13:19. > :13:20.restrictions were lifted because predicting a very big, long-term

:13:21. > :13:33.rise in Romanian and Bulgarian rise in Romanian and Bulgarian

:13:34. > :13:37.David Cameron cannot fulfil his promise of getting net migration

:13:38. > :13:40.down. It is just going to go up and promise of getting net migration

:13:41. > :13:44.that is a betrayal of the British people.

:13:45. > :13:50.that is a betrayal of the British answer that in a minute. But on the

:13:51. > :13:55.that is a betrayal of the British have hundreds and thousands of Olga

:13:56. > :14:00.Aryans and Romanians. That was wrong. We are going to have hundreds

:14:01. > :14:06.and thousands of them. He is ignoring it. They started

:14:07. > :14:10.scaremongering in the run-up to January the 1st. They have been

:14:11. > :14:15.proved wrong and decided to go for broke and continue to

:14:16. > :14:25.scaremongering. They are not scaremongering from the number of

:14:26. > :14:30.immigrants from the eight countries. When the previous government did not

:14:31. > :14:36.have transitional controls, that is the lessons we learned. That is why

:14:37. > :14:42.we put controls on Romania and Bulgaria and we have not had a

:14:43. > :14:45.similar problem. Underlying this, it comes out as part of the

:14:46. > :14:51.unemployment statistics, we have more people in work than ever before

:14:52. > :14:56.and 75% of the new jobs are being taken by British citizens. That

:14:57. > :14:57.figure was 55% at the end of the Labour government. We will have to

:14:58. > :15:02.leave it there. Now, we've talked a lot

:15:03. > :15:06.on this programme about ?gurus?. Oh yes, we keep up with all

:15:07. > :15:07.the hot political trends. This week Labour's new guru is

:15:08. > :15:09.in town. He's called David Axelrod

:15:10. > :15:12.and he helped Barack Obama win two He's been hired to give Ed Miliband

:15:13. > :15:18.strategic advice between now But judging by the latest polls

:15:19. > :15:21.on this side of the pond he might have his work cut out performing the

:15:22. > :15:25.same magic for the labour leader. As always at times like this

:15:26. > :15:57.JoCo is on hand to explain why. chief -- former campaign chief David

:15:58. > :16:00.Axelrod has arrived in the UK. With a year to go until the general

:16:01. > :16:06.election, Labour is watching its once healthy lead in the polls

:16:07. > :16:09.slowly narrow. The BBC's poll of polls up until April, shows April

:16:10. > :16:23.now only four percentage points ahead.

:16:24. > :16:29.One of those polls found that Miliband's leadership rating

:16:30. > :16:34.was lower than Nick Clegg's. Whilst that's miserable reading

:16:35. > :16:37.for Miliband's election man it's still not good enough

:16:38. > :16:40.for a successful Cameron campaign. For the Conservatives to gain an

:16:41. > :16:44.overall majority it's thought they need to be 11 percentage points

:16:45. > :16:48.ahead of Labour by the election. There is however a big electoral

:16:49. > :16:53.wildcard - Scotland, where Labour currently have 41 out of 59 MPs.

:16:54. > :16:55.If Scotland votes yes to independence it would force everyone

:16:56. > :16:59.to radically recalculate their electoral mathematics.

:17:00. > :16:59.Let's speak now to Joe Twyman, he's director

:17:00. > :17:10.of political research at YouGov. Welcome to the programme. If you

:17:11. > :17:17.were David Axelrod, what would you be thinking? I would think I have

:17:18. > :17:21.got an awful lot of money and I have got a big job to do. This time last

:17:22. > :17:25.year, Labour were ten points ahead and now it is pretty much neck and

:17:26. > :17:30.neck depending on which poll you look at. But both parties are only

:17:31. > :17:33.on 34% of the vote and you are not going to win a majority in the

:17:34. > :17:37.general election with that share. That could lead to a very

:17:38. > :17:42.interesting situation come this time next year when Labour win the most

:17:43. > :17:50.seats but the Conservatives win the most votes in a hung parliament. And

:17:51. > :17:52.then who knows what happens. Do you think these two latest polls which

:17:53. > :17:55.put the Conservatives two points ahead, is that part of a pattern

:17:56. > :18:00.which will increase or will it go back, do you think, let's look at

:18:01. > :18:05.the Sunday Times poll at the weekend which found Labour ahead? Individual

:18:06. > :18:09.polls are interesting but what is really important is the long-term

:18:10. > :18:14.trends over months or years. Some people will say it is the European

:18:15. > :18:18.elections coming up so polls are always slightly odd, but what we are

:18:19. > :18:24.seeing in terms of longer term trends going back to the election,

:18:25. > :18:28.is the decline of that gap. And the Conservatives moving ever closer to

:18:29. > :18:31.Labour. That is worrying if you are Labour strategist because that has

:18:32. > :18:34.to be changed if you're going to be successful at the ballot box. Thank

:18:35. > :18:38.you. And thanks, John-macro. --

:18:39. > :18:54.John-macro. Mary we find out that Mr Miliband's

:18:55. > :19:00.personal ratings are below Gordon Brown's. What is going on? Polls go

:19:01. > :19:06.up and they go down. We do not pay too much attention to polls. You

:19:07. > :19:13.do, you spend a lot of money in the Labour Party. I do not know what

:19:14. > :19:15.David Axelrod does but I know Ed Miliband's leadership has inspired

:19:16. > :19:20.thousands of people to join the Labour Party and to rejoin the

:19:21. > :19:26.Labour Party. We have thousands of people out talking to people on the

:19:27. > :19:33.doorstep. I think there is a UKIP effect. What would that be? A vote

:19:34. > :19:38.for UKIP is a vote for none of the above, it is a protest vote. I think

:19:39. > :19:42.we will not see that affect as strongly at the general election.

:19:43. > :19:47.There is no doubt at the European elections that UKIP has sent a mass

:19:48. > :19:51.mailing out to people. I can see why that would affect the state of the

:19:52. > :19:58.parties if you are right, but I do not understand how that would affect

:19:59. > :20:01.the public's assessment of Mr Miliband as a leader. We have had

:20:02. > :20:09.Taylor advised debates, Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg -- televised debates.

:20:10. > :20:13.People have seen a lot of those people. When people meet Ed Miliband

:20:14. > :20:20.and they listen to his policies and when they meet him and they see him,

:20:21. > :20:27.people see his charisma, see his leadership... His charisma? Yes, his

:20:28. > :20:33.charisma, he's charismatic. When you look at the trend in these polls,

:20:34. > :20:38.the more the British people see Ed Miliband, the less they like what

:20:39. > :20:44.they see. His poll ratings have got consistently worse over the last two

:20:45. > :20:49.years. When people look at the policies Ed Miliband has formulated

:20:50. > :20:53.for our party, whether it is 25 hours a week for childcare to help

:20:54. > :20:58.working people get a job and help their families, whether it is the

:20:59. > :21:03.gas and electricity price freeze, derided by the Conservatives and now

:21:04. > :21:08.imitated by them... Each of these policies on Rome, they are pretty

:21:09. > :21:14.popular in the country, so why therefore has Labour's poll lead all

:21:15. > :21:24.disappeared? There is an argument about whether it has disappeared. It

:21:25. > :21:28.has certainly narrowed. There is a coalition government, there is a

:21:29. > :21:32.media focus on David Cameron and Nick Clegg. That is where most of

:21:33. > :21:38.the media attention is focused. The great media personality is Nigel

:21:39. > :21:42.Farage who has never knowingly photographed without a pint of beer

:21:43. > :21:54.and a cigarette in his hand. Is Ed Miliband charismatic? He is. Mrs

:21:55. > :21:59.Miliband thinks he is charismatic. I do. People like him,

:22:00. > :22:05.Miliband thinks he is charismatic. I him, he is sincere. It just may be

:22:06. > :22:10.that your fundamental pitch is not gelling with the British people. But

:22:11. > :22:14.when you talk about a cost of living crisis, and I emphasise the word

:22:15. > :22:19.crisis as opposed to cost of living problems, people think times have

:22:20. > :22:26.been tough, it is not easy, we have to tighten our belts but it is not a

:22:27. > :22:30.crisis. It is a crisis. When you have a million people relying on

:22:31. > :22:33.food hand-outs, when you have children and elderly people being

:22:34. > :22:36.thrust into poverty, people look around them in their towns and

:22:37. > :22:40.cities and they think, my child will not be able to go to university with

:22:41. > :22:44.the tuition fees, they will not be able to afford their own home and

:22:45. > :22:48.they see a government that is interested in tax cuts for the very

:22:49. > :22:57.rich at the top, not helping people at the bottom to have a hand up. We

:22:58. > :23:00.have just had yet again very good unemployment figures coming out, it

:23:01. > :23:07.is at the lowest in Europe after Germany, if there is a cost of

:23:08. > :23:13.living crisis, why are retail sales in the shops so strong and why is

:23:14. > :23:18.every consumer confidence index rising? If you are one of the

:23:19. > :23:23.850,000 young people who has not got a job, there is a crisis. We know

:23:24. > :23:31.the scarring effects of long-term unemployment and older women and

:23:32. > :23:36.young people. Hold on, almost 300,000 of those people are

:23:37. > :23:39.university students. These consumer confidence indices and retail sales

:23:40. > :23:44.are driven by people on average incomes. So if there is a cost of

:23:45. > :23:47.living crisis for the average person in this country, why are retail

:23:48. > :23:59.sales so strong and why figures are the figures, there may

:24:00. > :24:03.be students but they are trying to pay their way through university to

:24:04. > :24:08.minimise the debts they will come out with after university. And our

:24:09. > :24:13.confidence question, people in the south-east of seeing the house

:24:14. > :24:16.prices rise. There is an issue about consumer spending is being fuelled

:24:17. > :24:18.by people who feel they are richer because that house price is going

:24:19. > :24:23.up. That is not the case. These are national and they break them down

:24:24. > :24:26.regionally and national and they break them down

:24:27. > :24:32.every region. No people in national and they break them down

:24:33. > :24:39.Tamworth that I have been speaking to, do not feel confident. They are

:24:40. > :24:42.not splashing a load of cash and consumer durables. It is not a

:24:43. > :24:45.recovery being felt across consumer durables. It is not a

:24:46. > :24:50.United Kingdom. It is interesting if that is true that it is not being

:24:51. > :24:56.reflected in the polls. The best you can hope for is to be the largest

:24:57. > :25:06.party again, isn't it? No, Labour had a lead of 16%. You think you can

:25:07. > :25:11.have an 11% lead over Labour? Well the polls move. They do not move

:25:12. > :25:18.like Krakatoa! You really think you can get an 11% lead? What are you

:25:19. > :25:22.one these days? I am looking at the economy. I am looking at the figures

:25:23. > :25:28.we have had today. Falling youth unemployment. Mary has a cheek to

:25:29. > :25:34.dog at 850,000, I spent days in opposition talking about a million

:25:35. > :25:38.people under the age of 24. 150,000 fewer of them are out of work than

:25:39. > :25:43.they used to be. You could get that 11 point lead, it would be

:25:44. > :25:46.conceivable if it was not for something called UKIP and you do not

:25:47. > :25:50.know how to handle UKIP. Every time you come up with a policy or an

:25:51. > :25:55.approach or a policy or an approach or strategy towards them rises in

:25:56. > :25:59.the polls. We have seen what has happened in the run-up to the

:26:00. > :26:03.European elections. People traditionally use European elections

:26:04. > :26:10.as a free kick. We have seen the Green Party get 15% in the European

:26:11. > :26:14.election and more or less disappear for decades. People behave

:26:15. > :26:16.differently than general elections. I do not think it is a great

:26:17. > :26:23.predictor of a general election. OK. Now as you know here

:26:24. > :26:27.at the BBC we like to cover all the Yesterday Jo had an opera singer

:26:28. > :26:31.performing some arias in the studio. But we also like to reflect the

:26:32. > :26:35.fringe pastimes that might still The government's been thinking

:26:36. > :26:40.about one such event - something The top minds at the Home Office

:26:41. > :26:46.have written a report looking at the benefits of keeping the pubs open

:26:47. > :26:49.during this competition, which is Are you sure you don't mean

:26:50. > :26:56.the Olympics? Anyway, the report says England has

:26:57. > :26:59.a 54% chance of getting past the group stage,

:27:00. > :27:05.whatever that is, and an 11% chance So it sounds like the England team,

:27:06. > :27:13.whoever they are, won't be bringing They do however have

:27:14. > :27:23.a good chance of winning the Cup And you won't have to go to Brazil

:27:24. > :27:34.to do it. We'll remind you how to enter

:27:35. > :27:37.in a minute, but let's see if you can remember when this happened -

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:29:35. > :29:43.It is coming up to midday here. Big Ben is behind me. I love that shot!

:29:44. > :29:46.And in front of me is Nick Robinson of the BBC here for Prime Minister's

:29:47. > :29:49.Questions. They are becoming quite rare these days because I think

:29:50. > :29:53.after today there will not be one next week because Parliament has

:29:54. > :29:57.nothing to do. They are all off to the seaside. Then it is the Whitsun

:29:58. > :29:59.holiday so they will get two weeks. And then when they come back there

:30:00. > :30:31.will be the week go now. I have had meetings with ministerial

:30:32. > :30:35.colleagues and others and in addition to my duties in this House,

:30:36. > :30:42.I will have further meetings later. The UK has 104 billionaires, London

:30:43. > :30:57.has 72 billionaires. Wes Brown Wales and the valleys is in the top

:30:58. > :30:59.poorest regions in Europe. Why is Lord Mandelson intensely relaxed

:31:00. > :31:05.about people getting filthy rich. What is worthwhile is the massive

:31:06. > :31:07.fall in unemployment and the increase in employment we have seen

:31:08. > :31:16.across the country. In terms of Wales, unemployment has fallen by

:31:17. > :31:22.5000 in the last quarter and fallen by 25,000 in the last election. In

:31:23. > :31:28.terms of making sure the richest in our country pay their taxes, we see

:31:29. > :31:33.the richest 1% paying a greater percentage of income tax than ever

:31:34. > :31:39.they did under Labour. What we are seeing is abroad based recovery and

:31:40. > :31:44.I want to make sure everyone in our country can benefit and that is why

:31:45. > :31:56.we are cutting taxes and keep people from paying income tax. At the end

:31:57. > :31:59.of November, a director of the Stagecoach company acquired Manston

:32:00. > :32:05.airport in my constituency for ?1. On budget day, she announced she was

:32:06. > :32:11.going into consultation with the view to closing an airport which is

:32:12. > :32:14.worth hundreds of jobs, and major diversion field and a search and

:32:15. > :32:18.rescue base. Since then we have sought to find a buyer. Last night

:32:19. > :32:26.the river oak company, who already have airport interests put in a

:32:27. > :32:33.realistic offer to keep the airport open, save jobs and develop the

:32:34. > :32:37.business. At present the owners are reluctant. I don't expect my right

:32:38. > :32:48.honourable friend to engage in commercial negotiations, but will he

:32:49. > :32:56.ensure that the CAA operating licence remains open, the airport

:32:57. > :33:02.remains open and further discussions are held and will he encourage those

:33:03. > :33:04.discussions to take ways? I know my honourable friend has been fighting

:33:05. > :33:05.hard with the honourable member about the future of Manston airport

:33:06. > :33:06.and recognise it has played an important role in the local economy.

:33:07. > :33:11.The future of the airport remains the responsibility of the owner, but

:33:12. > :33:15.I think it is important the government is engaged. I know the

:33:16. > :33:20.Transport Secretary is engaged and will be talking to the owner about

:33:21. > :33:24.this issue and contacting the potential purchasers. In

:33:25. > :33:25.this issue and contacting the they had to make a commercial

:33:26. > :33:38.decision but the government will do everything it can to help.

:33:39. > :33:47.I welcome the fall in unemployment. For all of those people who have

:33:48. > :33:57.found work it is good for them and good for their families. Following

:33:58. > :34:01.the appearance of Pfizer at the select committee yesterday, can the

:34:02. > :34:08.Prime Minister tell us what assurances he is seeking from them

:34:09. > :34:12.and their takeover of AstraZeneca. These are jobs he predict did would

:34:13. > :34:18.never come to Britain and would never be there all stop but it is

:34:19. > :34:25.important because what we see is the largest quarterly increase of people

:34:26. > :34:28.in work, 280,000. We see unemployment is coming down, youth

:34:29. > :34:36.unemployment is coming down and long-term youth unemployment coming

:34:37. > :34:39.down with long-term economic plan working, we see the number of

:34:40. > :34:48.vacancies going up. Honourable members may be interested to know,

:34:49. > :34:51.three quarters of the new jobs over year have gone to UK nationals and

:34:52. > :34:53.also, the employment of Romanians and Olga Aryans went down in the

:34:54. > :35:00.first three months of this year, following the lifting of the

:35:01. > :35:10.controls, which I think is notable. In terms of Pfizer and AstraZeneca

:35:11. > :35:13.this government has been cleared to get stuck in to seek a possible

:35:14. > :35:17.guarantees on British jobs, investment and British science. We

:35:18. > :35:21.discussed this last week and one of the most important things is the

:35:22. > :35:26.right honourable gentleman was asked for a meeting with Pfizer, but said

:35:27. > :35:34.he was too busy politically campaigning. He put party politics

:35:35. > :35:44.ahead of the national interests. I am not going to take any lectures

:35:45. > :35:50.from the guy who was negotiating with Pfizer over the heads of the

:35:51. > :35:58.board of AstraZeneca. Pfizer does not need a PR man, they have got the

:35:59. > :36:03.Prime Minister. Now, for all sides of the House, the appearance of

:36:04. > :36:09.Pfizer at a select committee raises more questions than answers about

:36:10. > :36:13.so-called assurances. The head of Pfizer said there would be a fall in

:36:14. > :36:21.research and development spending as a result of the takeover. Has the

:36:22. > :36:27.Prime Minister got assurances these cuts will not take place in the UK?

:36:28. > :36:31.What is the way of getting those guarantees? Is it getting stuck in

:36:32. > :36:38.with Pfizer and AstraZeneca, battling for the British interest?

:36:39. > :36:40.Or, is it standing back like he has done, doing nothing apart from

:36:41. > :36:47.playing politics. I am clear what the British interest is, it is

:36:48. > :36:53.British jobs, British science, writ -ish research and development and I

:36:54. > :37:02.will do our bit link I can to receive those guarantees. 175,000

:37:03. > :37:09.employed in life sciences in our country because we encourage

:37:10. > :37:13.investments. Companies have chosen to come and invest here because it

:37:14. > :37:20.is a great country to come and do business. The problem is, his

:37:21. > :37:27.assurances are vague, have caveats and are inappropriate. Not my words

:37:28. > :37:29.but the words of the Presidents of the Royal Society. His assurances

:37:30. > :37:35.are useless and there is no guarantee on research and

:37:36. > :37:41.development. The head of Pfizer said yesterday, " there will be job cuts

:37:42. > :37:48.somewhere". Has he got an assurance these job cuts will not take place

:37:49. > :37:53.in the UK? We have assurances on the percentage of research and

:37:54. > :37:57.development that will happen here, investment in Cambridge, investment

:37:58. > :38:01.in Macclesfield. If he is arguing, do we want further assurances? Yes

:38:02. > :38:08.we do. Do we want to make sure those jobs stay here? Yes we do do we want

:38:09. > :38:15.more investment in British universities and science? Yes we do.

:38:16. > :38:21.I say, get stuck in, negotiate hard, fight for Britain. He says, play

:38:22. > :38:29.politics and put that before the national interest. His negotiations

:38:30. > :38:33.aren't working. They are worthless. On research and development, on

:38:34. > :38:39.jobs, he has no answers. What about the possible carving up of the

:38:40. > :38:42.merged company? Nobody wants a company to be bought, split up and

:38:43. > :38:48.sold off. Has he got assurances that won't happen in the course of this

:38:49. > :38:53.takeover? We want a good out, or British investment and jobs. We know

:38:54. > :38:59.what happens if you take the approach of the Labour Party. Let's

:39:00. > :39:06.remember Kraft and Cadburys. We had wonderful speeches about locking

:39:07. > :39:09.investments and then complete and abject surrender and the closure

:39:10. > :39:15.plans under Labour. We have learned the lessons of the mistakes Labour

:39:16. > :39:19.made. We are operating under the framework they left us, which he

:39:20. > :39:24.wrote while he was at the Treasury. We will get results for British

:39:25. > :39:32.science and investment by being engaged rather than standing off and

:39:33. > :39:37.playing politics. He sold off Royal Mail at a knock-down price and the

:39:38. > :39:41.Chancellor's Westman made a killing. That is what happens with his

:39:42. > :39:50.assurances. The truth is, he cannot give us a guarantee because the

:39:51. > :39:54.chief executive says, " he wants to conserve the option a la tea of

:39:55. > :39:59.splitting up the company and flogging it off". Last week the

:40:00. > :40:01.Prime Minister said he would judge the takeover on British jobs,

:40:02. > :40:08.British investment and British science. But he cannot offer

:40:09. > :40:12.assurances on any of those things. Isn't it obvious we should have a

:40:13. > :40:18.proper test of the public interest and if the deal does not pass, we

:40:19. > :40:22.should lock it. He raises this issue about the public interest test.

:40:23. > :40:28.Which party, which government and which individual, when he was in the

:40:29. > :40:31.Treasury writing the rules, got rid of that test? It was the right

:40:32. > :40:37.honourable gentleman. That is what we see on a day when unemployment is

:40:38. > :40:47.down, when more people are in work. He will try any trick, rather than

:40:48. > :40:55.to talk about what is happening in our economy. The country is getting

:40:56. > :40:59.stronger, he is getting weaker. He may not think it is important to

:41:00. > :41:01.talk about a company that is 2% of UK experts and which 30,000 jobs

:41:02. > :41:06.depend. It is crucial to our national interests. And the truth

:41:07. > :41:10.is, he is not powerless, he is the Prime Minister. He can act on a

:41:11. > :41:16.public interest test. We're talking about one of our most important

:41:17. > :41:20.companies. Nobody is certain about his assurances and he is calling

:41:21. > :41:26.back on the old idea that the market knows best and does not need rest.

:41:27. > :41:32.From Royal Mail to AstraZeneca, this is a Prime Minister whose ideology

:41:33. > :41:36.means he cannot stand up for the national interests. If the things

:41:37. > :41:42.these companies are important, why didn't he meet with them rather than

:41:43. > :41:46.go canvassing. He put his own party political interest ahead of the

:41:47. > :41:51.national interest. He fails to understand with measure British

:41:52. > :41:55.interest in British science, jobs and investment. But we measure it on

:41:56. > :42:00.us being a country open to overseas investment. There is a reason

:42:01. > :42:05.companies are coming here to make cars, build trains, make new drugs

:42:06. > :42:11.in our company is because we cut taxes, welcome investments, we are

:42:12. > :42:18.growing our economy and we have more people in work. We will not take a

:42:19. > :42:27.lecture from the party that brought this economy to its knees. I am sure

:42:28. > :42:34.the honourable gentleman is delighted to be greeted. The sun is

:42:35. > :42:40.shining and people are preparing to come to Cornwall for their holiday.

:42:41. > :42:45.When they arrive they will see some of the recent storm damage still has

:42:46. > :42:51.not been put right. Cornwall doesn't just need a long-term, economic

:42:52. > :42:57.plan. We need help today. Will he meet with me to see what more can be

:42:58. > :43:01.done? I am happy to go on discussing with Cornish MPs and with the

:43:02. > :43:06.council to make sure we do every thing to help Cornwall back onto its

:43:07. > :43:10.feet after the storms. I have said the money is under the scheme, so

:43:11. > :43:15.all of the emergency funding that Cornwall had to spend, it had

:43:16. > :43:20.claimed back. It still has time to work on that claim. We have

:43:21. > :43:24.increased the amount of money going through the Environment Agency to

:43:25. > :43:29.repair storm damage. There is an opportunity for Cornwall to have

:43:30. > :43:32.somebody as well. I am sure people are preparing to go to Cornwall and

:43:33. > :43:37.when they get there they will have a very good time. This week the Public

:43:38. > :43:43.Accounts Committee criticised the MoD for failing to account for a one

:43:44. > :43:48.2p underspend, and went on to say this might result in higher spending

:43:49. > :43:54.in future years. Does the Prime Minister think he is right he has

:43:55. > :43:58.balanced the books at the MoD? I remember coming government where we

:43:59. > :44:02.were left with a 38 William pounds black hole. If the criticism is the

:44:03. > :44:06.Secretary of State is careful with the pounds and the pennies and

:44:07. > :44:09.making sure there is an underspend, that can be carried forward into

:44:10. > :44:13.further investment to make sure we have the best investment for the

:44:14. > :44:27.troops, I suspect he may plead guilty. Stevenage continuously the

:44:28. > :44:32.economic recovery. It shows our long-term economic plan is working.

:44:33. > :44:34.economic recovery. It shows our Will the Prime Minister join with

:44:35. > :44:37.economic recovery. It shows our in congratulating the

:44:38. > :44:38.economic recovery. It shows our institutions and businesses in my

:44:39. > :44:47.constituency that have increased apprenticeship starts to over 800

:44:48. > :44:51.apprenticeship starts now? My honourable friend is right. In

:44:52. > :45:03.Stevenage unemployment has fallen by 24% over the last year which shows

:45:04. > :45:38.our economic plan is working and every one of those people is not

:45:39. > :45:44.just a They have zero hour contracts which do not pay enough to pay the

:45:45. > :45:49.rent. Unemployment in Stockton has fallen over the last year. If he

:45:50. > :45:52.looks at the unemployment figures, he will see that the number of

:45:53. > :45:57.people in part-time work he will see that the number of

:45:58. > :46:00.full-time work has fallen increasingly. People are able to

:46:01. > :46:05.find the full-time work that they want. There is an increase in people

:46:06. > :46:08.claiming housing benefit because there is an increase in people who

:46:09. > :46:14.are in work. That is what is happening in our country, we are

:46:15. > :46:18.getting people back to work. Mr Speaker, thousands of people in

:46:19. > :46:23.my constituency are forced to use the NHS in Wales said they will be

:46:24. > :46:31.concerned about yesterday's report which showed serious failings in the

:46:32. > :46:36.care of fail older people at two NHS hospitals in Wales -- frail older

:46:37. > :46:40.people. Don't the people of Wales and my constituency deserve better?

:46:41. > :46:44.As I understand it these are very concerning reports which do need to

:46:45. > :46:50.be studied because the NHS in Wales is not in a good state. We have had

:46:51. > :46:56.an 8% cut in the budget. The last time A targets were met in Wales

:46:57. > :47:01.was in 2009. The last time the urgent cancer treatment target was

:47:02. > :47:05.met was in 2008. We really season problems in the NHS in Wales and

:47:06. > :47:09.frankly the Labour Party are chatting to each other on the front

:47:10. > :47:13.bench and they should be getting a grip of this issue and sorting out

:47:14. > :47:17.the NHS. The Pfizer boss did give assurances

:47:18. > :47:22.to the business committee yesterday. He gave an absolute

:47:23. > :47:26.assurance that any takeover of AstraZeneca would result in a fall

:47:27. > :47:33.in research and development into new drugs in the UK. The AstraZeneca

:47:34. > :47:37.boss said it could put lives at risk. How can any Prime Minister

:47:38. > :47:40.worth the title not immediately conclude that the right thing to do

:47:41. > :47:46.in the national interest is to call this in? As I explained to his right

:47:47. > :47:50.honourable friend, we are operating under the legal framework put in

:47:51. > :47:53.place by the Government he was a member of. I actually think, when he

:47:54. > :47:56.looks at The Record of what was said yesterday, I think you will find

:47:57. > :48:04.that the quotes he gives are not accurate. Does the Prime Minister

:48:05. > :48:10.agree that the building of vital roads like the A5 M1 link Dunstable

:48:11. > :48:13.Northern bypass will create even more jobs and that continued

:48:14. > :48:22.infrastructure investment like this is a key part of our long-term

:48:23. > :48:27.economic plan? I agree. I have spent some time in his constituency stuck

:48:28. > :48:32.on the A5 and I know how much it does need this remedial work done.

:48:33. > :48:37.It is absolutely vital for this part of our country. We are investing

:48:38. > :48:42.more in our railways since any time since the Victorian times and we are

:48:43. > :48:46.investing more on our roads since the 1970s. It is keyed to the

:48:47. > :48:49.success of our long-term economic plan.

:48:50. > :48:54.Is there a good reason why the promised will not condemn the tax

:48:55. > :48:59.affairs of Tory supporting Gary Barlow as morally wrong? I could not

:49:00. > :49:02.be clearer that I condemn all of these progressive tax avoidance

:49:03. > :49:07.schemes. And more than just condemning them, this government has

:49:08. > :49:12.taken legislative action to say to people, to coin a phrase, we want

:49:13. > :49:21.your money for good. Mr William Cash. Order, order! Lets

:49:22. > :49:29.have a respectful silence for Mr William Cash.

:49:30. > :49:33.Thank you, Mr Speaker. My right honourable friend will know that my

:49:34. > :49:40.international do on gender equality act came into force last night. Will

:49:41. > :49:46.he note that this will protect women and girls throughout the world and

:49:47. > :49:51.furthermore that particularly in places like Nigeria and Syria, it

:49:52. > :49:55.provides an opportunity to be able to do whatever we can to relieve

:49:56. > :50:00.their tragedy. Will he be good enough to have a word with the

:50:01. > :50:03.secretary of the, our excellent Secretary of State for International

:50:04. > :50:08.development and do whatever we can to use that act to help those people

:50:09. > :50:14.who are being severely afflicted? I am sure the whole house will want to

:50:15. > :50:17.join me in amending this honourable gentleman for his bill and getting

:50:18. > :50:22.this important measure on the statute book. This year, Britain is

:50:23. > :50:27.taking some huge steps forward, using the power of our aid budget to

:50:28. > :50:33.really try and drive change in our world, to end forever the scandals

:50:34. > :50:37.of forced and early marriage and female genital mutilation. We are in

:50:38. > :50:41.a really strong position to drive change on this. He mentioned Nigeria

:50:42. > :50:45.and I can announce today that we have offered Nigeria further

:50:46. > :50:50.assistance in terms of surveillance aircraft and the team to work with

:50:51. > :50:55.US experts to analyse information on the girls' location. As I said last

:50:56. > :50:59.week, this is an act of pure evil, the world is coming together not

:51:00. > :51:06.just to condemn it but to help the Nigerians find these girls.

:51:07. > :51:12.50,499 ambulances have been waiting in queues of at least half an hour

:51:13. > :51:17.at accident and emergency units up and down the country. What is he

:51:18. > :51:21.going to do about it? What we are doing about it is making sure the

:51:22. > :51:27.?12.7 billion extra that we are putting into the NHS, unlike the

:51:28. > :51:33.Labour NHS cut in Wales, is going to good use and we can actually see in

:51:34. > :51:36.our NHS, we have 1.2 million more people attending accident and

:51:37. > :51:41.emergency and over this winter period, we met our targets for

:51:42. > :51:46.accident and emergency. I remember the last time the Labour leader

:51:47. > :51:51.raised our hospitals at Prime Minister's Questions. It was back in

:51:52. > :51:55.November. He has not had a word to say about it since! He predicted a

:51:56. > :51:59.winter crisis, he sat there day after day dying for it to happen. It

:52:00. > :52:09.did not happen because we have a strong NHS with more doctors and

:52:10. > :52:13.nurses serving our country. The Prime Minister is well aware of

:52:14. > :52:18.the wonderful work done by the Royal British Legion centre with our brave

:52:19. > :52:23.servicemen and women who have been injured in conflict through adaptive

:52:24. > :52:28.sports and adventurous training. At the end of this month, I will be

:52:29. > :52:33.joining a team from the centre with the honourable members for Bass

:52:34. > :52:36.North, chat and Aylesford, to raise awareness of this wonderful work and

:52:37. > :52:42.will the Prime Minister wish us every success in this aim? I will

:52:43. > :52:49.certainly wish the honourable gentleman from across the House, the

:52:50. > :52:53.honourable gentlemen and ladies. I wish them well. The Royal British

:52:54. > :52:57.Legion plays a key part in standing up for our veterans and their

:52:58. > :53:00.interests and making sure we raise money and serve them properly. We

:53:01. > :53:08.work very closely with them in government. The Battle Back centre

:53:09. > :53:12.is an extraordinary facility. I wish you well and hope the fundraising

:53:13. > :53:16.goes well. When the Prime Minister goes up to

:53:17. > :53:19.Scotland this week, when he explained to our agricultural

:53:20. > :53:24.producers in rural countries, wide by 2019 we will be receiving the

:53:25. > :53:32.lower-level -- lowest level per hectare, not only of any country in

:53:33. > :53:39.the UK but in the whole EU? What I will be explaining on my trip is how

:53:40. > :53:43.Scotland is better off inside the United Kingdom, that we have all of

:53:44. > :53:47.the negotiating power of the UK around the table to get a good deal

:53:48. > :53:51.for Scotland, whereas an independent Scotland would have to queue up

:53:52. > :53:55.behind other countries to get back into the European Union and

:53:56. > :53:58.specifically on agriculture, because of the hard work of my right

:53:59. > :54:02.honourable friend the agriculture secretary, we're actually making

:54:03. > :54:05.sure that there will be extra support for Scottish farmers

:54:06. > :54:07.absolutely in line with what the Scottish

:54:08. > :54:14.absolutely in line with what the for. Richard Harrington.

:54:15. > :54:16.According to the Watford Chamber of Commerce, this year Watford will

:54:17. > :54:20.benefit from a total of ?1.5 Commerce, this year Watford will

:54:21. > :54:26.in new investment. Already started, we have got a new road, two train

:54:27. > :54:31.stations, two secondary schools being refitted and we have a

:54:32. > :54:37.brand-new UTC. To cap all of that, today that has been an announcement

:54:38. > :54:43.that unemployment is 667 less than a year ago. But I am very concerned

:54:44. > :54:45.that this continues. I would like to ask the Prime Minister what his

:54:46. > :54:48.strategy is to make sure this continues. If he takes my advice, Mr

:54:49. > :54:56.Speaker, he will continues. If he takes my advice, Mr

:54:57. > :55:02.something that is one long-term, two economic. First of all, can I say to

:55:03. > :55:07.my honourable friend how well commit is that unemployment in Watford over

:55:08. > :55:13.the last year has fallen by 30%. We are getting the people of Watford

:55:14. > :55:16.back to work and cutting unemployment. What he says in terms

:55:17. > :55:20.of the important investment with the rail link and the two new stations

:55:21. > :55:24.and re-building new schools are absolutely vital. The long-term plan

:55:25. > :55:29.is not just about jobs and cutting taxes, as important as those are, it

:55:30. > :55:34.is also about supporting business and small business in particular, by

:55:35. > :55:37.building the infrastructure we need. Because we have taken difficult

:55:38. > :55:40.long-term decisions, we have been able to put this investment into our

:55:41. > :55:49.roads and railways. able to put this investment into our

:55:50. > :55:56.able to see a GP within 48 hours was not a priority. Does this Prime

:55:57. > :56:01.Minister regret this? If you listen to the Royal College of GPs, they

:56:02. > :56:06.are saying there is something like 40 million more GP appointments

:56:07. > :56:11.since 2010. The patients survey always quoted by Labour ministers

:56:12. > :56:14.when they were in government says 93% of people say appointments in

:56:15. > :56:19.the GP system are convenient. Frankly, I want more. As the father

:56:20. > :56:24.of three young children, I know how important it is to get timely GP

:56:25. > :56:28.appointments. That is why we are training 5000 more GPs. We have

:56:29. > :56:33.named GP for frail and elderly people. We have a thousand GP

:56:34. > :56:38.centres which now open 8am to 8pm and at weekends. I tell you what I

:56:39. > :56:41.do regret. I regret the fact the last Labour government signed a

:56:42. > :56:45.contract with GPs which meant they did not have to offer a service out

:56:46. > :56:50.of hours or at weekends. Because of the investment we are putting into

:56:51. > :56:55.the NHS, actually, we are providing better services. If he is wondering

:56:56. > :57:02.about the idea of a 48-hour target, he might ask why Labour scrapped one

:57:03. > :57:07.in Wales. Nigel Evans. Ribble Valley Council has recently

:57:08. > :57:11.approved its core strategy. Will he reassure local councillors that this

:57:12. > :57:16.will now give them extra power to protect those areas within the

:57:17. > :57:19.Ribble Valley that are not already earmarked for development. And will

:57:20. > :57:23.he come and visit the Ribble Valley and see for himself why the Ribble

:57:24. > :57:26.Valley is consistently voted one of the best places to live in the

:57:27. > :57:34.United Kingdom and why local people want to keep it that way. I look

:57:35. > :57:36.forward to visiting my honourable friend's constituency and broader

:57:37. > :57:41.constituencies in Lancashire as well. I think the assurance I can

:57:42. > :57:44.give him is this. When local councils put in place their local

:57:45. > :57:48.plan, they will have far greater ability to determine how much

:57:49. > :57:51.housing, what sort of housing and where it goes. That is what we are

:57:52. > :57:54.trying to put in place and the faster local councils can put

:57:55. > :57:59.implants the more power and responsibility they will have.

:58:00. > :58:02.As the Prime Minister has acknowledged, the number of people

:58:03. > :58:06.who are in work but have to claim housing benefit to make ends meet is

:58:07. > :58:10.growing, but the cost of that will be an extra ?5 billion over the

:58:11. > :58:15.course of this Parliament. Does the Prime Minister consider that a sign

:58:16. > :58:18.of success? The most important thing we have done in respect to housing

:58:19. > :58:24.benefit is to put a cap on it. When we claim to office there were

:58:25. > :58:28.families claiming 60, 70, ?80,000. When we put the cap on housing

:58:29. > :58:32.benefit, what was the Labour reaction? It was to vote against it.

:58:33. > :58:36.When we said housing benefit should not be paid in respect of spare

:58:37. > :58:42.rooms that people are not using, what was Labour's attitude? To

:58:43. > :58:46.oppose it. The good news from his seat is, here is something which is

:58:47. > :58:53.not going up, it is unemployment and it is down 31% in his constituency.

:58:54. > :58:56.Some of those people in work are claiming housing benefit but because

:58:57. > :58:59.of this government's long-term economic plan, more of his

:59:00. > :59:07.constituents are in work and earning. Mr Andrew Percy.

:59:08. > :59:11.Extra flood defence funding for the Humber area following the tidal

:59:12. > :59:14.surge in December was most welcome but many of my constituents are

:59:15. > :59:17.still out of their homes and there is concern that we get the 300

:59:18. > :59:22.million which is needed over the next five years. MPs are working

:59:23. > :59:29.across party on this. Will the prime Minster meet with us so we can meet

:59:30. > :59:36.with him to discuss the high risk of flooding? I had an experience of

:59:37. > :59:40.very positive and good meetings with members of Parliament for Humberside

:59:41. > :59:44.on a cross-party basis. We worked very hard to make sure the Siemens

:59:45. > :59:49.investment went into a hole which is going to bring not just jobs to that

:59:50. > :59:54.factory but a whole new industry and supply chain into the area --

:59:55. > :59:59.investment went into Hull. I will make sure we do all we can to

:00:00. > :59:59.protect people's homes and businesses.

:00:00. > :03:06.While I welcome the I hope you enjoyed that because you

:03:07. > :03:10.will not be getting another one for a long time. The two frontbenchers

:03:11. > :03:17.went backwards and forwards over Pfizer. Not a single new fact was

:03:18. > :03:25.introduced in the exchanges. They just repeated what we have heard

:03:26. > :03:33.many, many times before. Viewers did not engage and the subject matter.

:03:34. > :03:37.Actually, what they did engage and was the performances of the party

:03:38. > :03:43.leaders. Colin in Rugby said I do not know what scale politicians used

:03:44. > :03:48.to measure charisma, but it did it matter if it is the Bofors scale, Ed

:03:49. > :03:54.to measure charisma, but it did it air or possibly hot air.

:03:55. > :03:57.to measure charisma, but it did it the wild applause

:03:58. > :03:57.to measure charisma, but it did it for Ed Miliband was from the

:03:58. > :04:07.Conservative MPs. for Ed Miliband was from the

:04:08. > :04:13.long-term economic for Ed Miliband was from the

:04:14. > :04:19.but those and zero hours contracts do not think it is working. Terry

:04:20. > :04:20.Casey from Liverpool says the Prime Minister does not understand the

:04:21. > :04:29.rich are earning a lot more Minister does not understand the

:04:30. > :04:34.hence the rise in the tax. And some else accuses Ed Miliband of playing

:04:35. > :04:44.politics, if you get to me. I got lost on that one. You can explain to

:04:45. > :04:48.me later. Or all three main Westminster party is going to take

:04:49. > :04:54.the view that the European elections do not say anything about the future

:04:55. > :05:03.course in politics? The Greens did very well in 19 18, in the 1980s

:05:04. > :05:07.when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, UKIP did well in the past

:05:08. > :05:37.and another leader, Robert Kilroy silk. But if there is a big turnout

:05:38. > :05:44.or whether there is a protest vote. I thought what was striking today is

:05:45. > :05:50.Ed Miliband with news on a difficult wicket, a couple of the polls have

:05:51. > :05:56.shown Labour behind and employment figures are very good. What he

:05:57. > :05:59.wanted to avoid before an election is David Cameron pointing it out and

:06:00. > :06:09.him pointing out he was scared to talk about the economy. It is better

:06:10. > :06:18.than Manning crisis polls which have turned in the wrong direction. You

:06:19. > :06:22.can talk about this long-term sustainability, but it looks like

:06:23. > :06:28.this coalition government will go to the polls in a benign economic

:06:29. > :06:36.atmosphere. The governor of the Bank of England is forecast for this

:06:37. > :06:45.year, three point -- 3.4% growth and they have raised 2015, up 3%. No one

:06:46. > :06:53.on the left or the right sort that would be a kind of background to the

:06:54. > :06:57.run up to the election? We hoped for growth earlier and when we left

:06:58. > :06:59.government growth was rising, unemployment was falling and so was

:07:00. > :07:07.inflation. All of those things changed around 2010. We had three

:07:08. > :07:12.wasted years when we did not have growth. But growth for who? Where is

:07:13. > :07:16.the recovery being felt? It is being felt in London and the south-east

:07:17. > :07:22.and we have talked about House prices. But working people are on

:07:23. > :07:31.average ?1600 worse off with council tax bills going up, food going up

:07:32. > :07:45.and rent going up. Putting a ceiling on rent rises, these are the

:07:46. > :07:48.policies people are calling out for when we go out on the doorstep. So

:07:49. > :07:49.it is a recovery for the South. Labour said if you follow these

:07:50. > :07:57.policies, they won't be growth, there won't be recovery. We are now

:07:58. > :08:03.seeing strong growth. We have cut the deficit by a third. Unemployment

:08:04. > :08:08.coming down. There is clearly a palpable recovery going on across

:08:09. > :08:13.the economy. Helping young people, at least the young unemployment

:08:14. > :08:20.figures are coming down. And the long-term economic plan is working.

:08:21. > :08:24.You say nobody predicted this would be the background to the election,

:08:25. > :08:27.George Osborne predict did it. He said we would need to go through the

:08:28. > :08:35.pain of austerity. He predict did things with a better, he did not

:08:36. > :08:40.predict 3.4% growth, which is what the banks predicted because he has

:08:41. > :08:47.to depend on the OBR figures for growth and they are consistently

:08:48. > :08:54.wrong. The OBR is not the Treasury either. George Osborne sensibly

:08:55. > :08:59.set... You know when you speak to senior Conservatives they will

:09:00. > :09:05.surprise the economy is growing by over three and a half percent. We

:09:06. > :09:09.are not surprised the economy is growing because that was the purpose

:09:10. > :09:15.of the plan. I am talking about the volume of the growth which I think

:09:16. > :09:19.has surprised all of the Westminster establishment on the left and the

:09:20. > :09:26.right. The monetary policy committee meeting this morning, which is more

:09:27. > :09:28.important than anything that happened at Prime Minister's

:09:29. > :09:35.Questions. As the bank is telling us if the economy is growing by over

:09:36. > :09:39.3%, it is a return to normality. 3% is the growth rate you get coming

:09:40. > :09:43.out of a recession and at last we have reached that. So when do

:09:44. > :09:51.interest rates return to normal? Has anybody given the thought too, the

:09:52. > :09:55.closest we get to an election, does it not become a political move for

:09:56. > :10:00.the Governor of the bank to start to change interest rates. In America

:10:01. > :10:08.the Federal Reserve tries to avoid it in a presidential year. People

:10:09. > :10:10.are stretched on their mortgages and can only afford them because

:10:11. > :10:16.interest rates have been low for so long. While growth will help lots of

:10:17. > :10:24.people, the rise in interest rates will help savers but will hurt

:10:25. > :10:29.people with mortgages and push some over the edge. The governor was

:10:30. > :10:35.signalling interest rate rises would come sooner than he originally

:10:36. > :10:40.thought, but they will be gradual. I suspect if he thinks it has got to

:10:41. > :10:46.be done, they will try to do it slowly and steadily rather than

:10:47. > :10:57.waiting and waiting and doing it at one go. But it will be a big event,

:10:58. > :11:00.even if it is only 25 basis points, it is the turning of the cycle, the

:11:01. > :11:09.day he does that. What I cannot work out is, will he really do that this

:11:10. > :11:15.side of voting day? The hint is, he is given the upgrading of economic

:11:16. > :11:23.forecasts. But the interesting thing is, compared with him and his

:11:24. > :11:27.predecessor, Mervyn King, he was a politician first. He was a Canadian

:11:28. > :11:33.politician before he ran the Canadian central bank. He will be

:11:34. > :11:40.aware of the political sensitivity of putting up interest rates. But if

:11:41. > :11:45.the Bank of England concludes it has got to be done, I suspect it will

:11:46. > :11:48.be. I suspect he will hold off, not just for political reasons but the

:11:49. > :11:54.external pressures coming in on Britain at the moment are

:11:55. > :11:57.deflationary. The strength of sterling, the spectre of deflation

:11:58. > :12:05.in the Eurozone. I have just come back from Italy which has been hit

:12:06. > :12:13.by Italy, so has Greece, Spain and Portugal. Even Sweden, in the north.

:12:14. > :12:17.And this overcapacity in China, which will more than likely be

:12:18. > :12:22.dumped on Europe, these goods will come in cheaply. I suspect because

:12:23. > :12:28.of these deflationary pressures will not allow him to raise interest

:12:29. > :12:34.rates for a while? He will not want to do anything to choke off the

:12:35. > :12:38.recovery. And become political. We don't want to see people defaulting

:12:39. > :12:44.on their mortgages. Damien talks about a recovery but when we have

:12:45. > :12:46.half a million people on 0-hours contract 's, a million part-time

:12:47. > :12:52.workers who would like to move to full-time work but can't because

:12:53. > :12:58.their employers are not offering, or they cannot get the child care they

:12:59. > :13:03.need. It is not a recovery fully spread across all parts of the UK

:13:04. > :13:09.economy. It is spreading across all parts. One of the interesting things

:13:10. > :13:13.about this recovery is how balanced it is, it is not just a consumer

:13:14. > :13:20.recovery. Business investment as well. If it is not just consumers

:13:21. > :13:28.and businesses have got somewhere else to go, what else is it? It is

:13:29. > :13:36.exports as well. Overall, exports throughout the coalition's life have

:13:37. > :13:39.been a negative on growth. But they are coming in the right direction

:13:40. > :13:51.now. Manufacturing is doing better than people thought. A very low

:13:52. > :14:00.base? The base actor the recession was extremely low, it has now

:14:01. > :14:07.recovered under this government. And also the big issues leading up to

:14:08. > :14:11.these elections is immigration. The Prime Minister squeezed in a mention

:14:12. > :14:15.of it. You can look at the figures that show a big increase in the

:14:16. > :14:17.number of people coming from the EU as a success story. Jobs are being

:14:18. > :14:19.created and there is a record number of British people in jobs. If you

:14:20. > :14:23.are UKIP, you can say, we did not get it right about Romania and dog

:14:24. > :14:30.area but there is still a surge of people coming from the EU. It is

:14:31. > :14:34.whether the data can be read in more than one way. Do these figures that

:14:35. > :14:44.came out today, Vince Cable saying, I told you so. Or is Nigel Farage to

:14:45. > :14:46.save I don't care which bit of Europe came from, they are still

:14:47. > :14:52.coming. I suspect if they had gone on that it would have been more

:14:53. > :15:01.interesting. We will not see you for a few weeks. Just go and do some

:15:02. > :15:08.gardening, nothing else to do. We will see you on June 18. We will be

:15:09. > :15:11.counting the days. The weather will be nice, what ever

:15:12. > :15:21.you decide to do. How do you know that?

:15:22. > :15:26.I believe the BBC weather forecast. LED lights are becoming more

:15:27. > :15:29.popular, not just as flickering indicators are machines but for

:15:30. > :15:33.vehicle headlights, industrial lighting and even illuminating

:15:34. > :15:38.homes. They are seen as more efficient and longer lasting than

:15:39. > :15:42.traditional lamps. It is perhaps for this reason they are also being seen

:15:43. > :15:48.as an alternative option for street lighting by some councils. For soap

:15:49. > :15:53.box this week, we hear from Simon Nicholas who is a leading campaigner

:15:54. > :16:09.against LED street lighting in Trafford in South Manchester.

:16:10. > :16:13.and spreading across Britain. Now councils up and down the country

:16:14. > :16:19.want to use LEDs to light up our streets at night. Here in West

:16:20. > :16:27.London they have already made the switch. Here in West London they use

:16:28. > :16:33.them. They claim to use less energy. The cost of the PFI contract to

:16:34. > :16:38.install these is unknown. In my own borough of Old Trafford, the cost

:16:39. > :16:44.was similarly shrouded in secrecy. There is a question about how

:16:45. > :16:46.cost-effective it really is. In order to achieve savings over

:16:47. > :16:52.traditional lights, they must be supplied with a very high colour

:16:53. > :16:56.temperature omitting high levels in the blue spectrum. There is an

:16:57. > :17:02.increasing research which supports the view that blue

:17:03. > :17:06.bad for health and the environment. A number of studies suggests the

:17:07. > :17:13.blue lighting leads to the suppression of melatonin, a hormone

:17:14. > :17:20.which leads to sleep. A report in 2009 recommended caution before any

:17:21. > :17:22.widescale move to lean sodium lighting and broad-spectrum

:17:23. > :17:28.lighting. Here, people have complained the new lights have

:17:29. > :17:31.disrupted their sleep and they have had to use cardboard on the windows

:17:32. > :17:38.to block the lighting. I believe we need to halt and reverse the spread

:17:39. > :17:43.of LED lighting until wider research has been explored in the cold light

:17:44. > :17:49.of day. And Simon Nicholas is with me now.

:17:50. > :17:52.Let's look at the impact on health and sleep deprivation. How much

:17:53. > :17:56.evidence have you got to support the claims made in that film that LED

:17:57. > :18:02.lighting does have a negative impact? There is a lot of

:18:03. > :18:06.multinational research which have been published to support that. It

:18:07. > :18:10.is well acknowledged that blue light at night does affect sleep. And

:18:11. > :18:15.also, the whole issue will blue light in the environment affects not

:18:16. > :18:19.just human beings but also ecosystems of other animals and

:18:20. > :18:26.plants. It is not a naturally occurring to have blue light at

:18:27. > :18:30.night. There is a number of research that has been published. People are

:18:31. > :18:35.not going to be sleeping under the lights. It is not as if you are

:18:36. > :18:40.getting direct exposure, as if it was inside the house with you? I

:18:41. > :18:44.think you do get exposure if it is coming through your living room

:18:45. > :18:49.window in the evening and also, if you have a crack in the curtains, it

:18:50. > :18:53.can come through and liked the room. Also it has been suggested that you

:18:54. > :18:56.can get up in the middle of the night and walk into a room which

:18:57. > :19:02.does not have the curtains closed and it can trigger your body clock

:19:03. > :19:06.by just doing that. Is it true that even with the curtains closed, if

:19:07. > :19:10.you are standing in the bedrooms, if you have an LED light facing your

:19:11. > :19:19.house, you would have it streamed through the window? Guests. I went

:19:20. > :19:22.to a gentleman's house last night and he has a downstairs flat and it

:19:23. > :19:24.is streaming in almost like a floodlight from across the road into

:19:25. > :19:28.his bedroom. It does last longer than some of the traditional

:19:29. > :19:31.lighting that is used and is more efficient in terms of energy

:19:32. > :19:37.consumption. Is that the reason behind using them? It is more

:19:38. > :19:46.efficient but only if you tune it to omit a large amount of blue light.

:19:47. > :19:52.There are other issues as well such as glare. They are extremely bright.

:19:53. > :19:57.And also Flickr. There is concern and I have spoken to public health

:19:58. > :20:04.England about this, that different types of streetlights operating at

:20:05. > :20:08.different frequencies might cause problems in terms of seizures and

:20:09. > :20:14.that sort of thing. Have you actually won your battle in

:20:15. > :20:18.Trafford? In a sense, gas. They were in denial for a while about the

:20:19. > :20:25.issue of health. They have gone away and given me a commitment that they

:20:26. > :20:32.will not fit high colour temperature LEDs in Trafford. If more than -- is

:20:33. > :20:43.more benign specifications do not stack up financially, they will not

:20:44. > :20:46.be suppressed. I am worried about councils turning off the lights

:20:47. > :20:55.altogether. As somebody who regularly site 's home later

:20:56. > :20:59.tonight, there is research in a large amounts of accidents when the

:21:00. > :21:02.lights are turned off. Eric Pickles says people should not be doing

:21:03. > :21:05.aerobics at three o'clock in the morning. I do not think we want

:21:06. > :21:11.lessons from Eric and aerobics but I think it is important that we have a

:21:12. > :21:16.safe lighting system. Do you think this is? No, I think LED lights in

:21:17. > :21:21.Salford, they have installed them, they have cut their bill, it is a

:21:22. > :21:25.low-energy way of lighting the streets, councils are under pressure

:21:26. > :21:35.and a price freeze would reduce that but I do think blue light, it is the

:21:36. > :21:39.blue light which is most likely to keep us awake is staring at our

:21:40. > :21:44.hand-held phones and our computers and we do that voluntarily. What you

:21:45. > :21:47.say about the claim of Tory councils wanting to switch off the lights to

:21:48. > :21:51.save money. Eric Pickles says he loves them being switched off at

:21:52. > :22:01.night because it saves money and helps and sleep. Councils saving

:22:02. > :22:08.money is not sensible if they are not saving on essential things. The

:22:09. > :22:11.thing to do it is in areas where it does not make a difference. Having

:22:12. > :22:18.full streetlights on at three o'clock in the morning inroads where

:22:19. > :22:22.nobody walks down is not a sensible use of taxpayers' money. Is that

:22:23. > :22:29.stops a fatal car crash. Cars have headlights. Public health England

:22:30. > :22:34.has said that they are not convinced, there is research showing

:22:35. > :22:40.that they can cause problems. Public Health England is not convinced by

:22:41. > :22:44.that. The research on crime generally is almost perverse. It

:22:45. > :22:48.shows that crime goes down if you switch the lights off. I made that

:22:49. > :22:53.face as well when I heard that but it is fair to say that on the house

:22:54. > :23:00.aspects and the crime and safety aspects, the research is at best

:23:01. > :23:05.inconclusive. There is also environmental issues as well. Royal

:23:06. > :23:12.commission report said it advised government to do some research and

:23:13. > :23:15.not to rush into LED street lighting until the full environmental impact

:23:16. > :23:26.had been considered. Thank you and come and tell us what Trafford

:23:27. > :23:32.decide to do in the future. A crack team of researchers has been

:23:33. > :23:38.on to the House of Commons and they tell us that last year there was a

:23:39. > :23:42.PMQs after the Queens speech I stand corrected! But now there is some

:23:43. > :23:53.doubt about it. There are several anti-EU groups

:23:54. > :24:00.in each electoral region, including ex-UKIP MEP Mike Nattrass and his

:24:01. > :24:04."An Independence from Europe" Party. Let's have a look

:24:05. > :24:24.at their election broadcast. No one would have believed that in

:24:25. > :24:30.the first years of the 21st century, Britain's affairs were being watched

:24:31. > :24:34.and scrutinised by an alien world. With our three political parties who

:24:35. > :24:41.lie to the public about their intentions, minds more Eurocrat than

:24:42. > :24:49.ours, slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And then it came.

:24:50. > :24:55.The hideous body of the EU, smashing our democracy and destroying our

:24:56. > :25:00.laws. Plotting to annihilate our currency and sucking up our pension

:25:01. > :25:06.funds. And Mike Nattrass is here in the

:25:07. > :25:09.studio. Welcome to the Daily Politics. There is the United

:25:10. > :25:15.kingdom Independence party and now there is the An Independence From

:25:16. > :25:20.Europe party. It is a bit like the people's Judaean front and the

:25:21. > :25:24.Judaean front... Traditionally in British politics, it was the far

:25:25. > :25:28.left that went into endless factions. I think there were 16

:25:29. > :25:35.different Trotskyite groups. Are you not in danger of doing the same? No,

:25:36. > :25:40.we are not the same. We are to the left of UKIP. We do not believe in

:25:41. > :25:44.privatisation which is being bandied around by Nigel who does tend to

:25:45. > :25:48.wreck policy on the hoof. We are against privatisation especially in

:25:49. > :25:54.the National Health Service but of course we want to get out of Europe.

:25:55. > :25:59.That is our main policy. By referendum? Not necessarily. Our own

:26:00. > :26:04.sticky issue and does not need a referendum. It really needs MPs with

:26:05. > :26:09.a backbone to get us out. They need a referendum because otherwise they

:26:10. > :26:14.are scared to do it. Am I right in thinking the main motivation of this

:26:15. > :26:27.party is to get Nigel? There is no personal animosity? No, there is...

:26:28. > :26:33.Do you despise him? Jelena I would rather stay away. Of the 12 MEPs he

:26:34. > :26:39.had, there are now six. Where you kicked out of UKIP or did you leave?

:26:40. > :26:41.I resigned when I found that he was trying to change the members' ballot

:26:42. > :26:46.when he trying to change the members' ballot

:26:47. > :26:50.order of the list of candidates. I walked out of a meeting in

:26:51. > :26:54.Strasbourg where he was gerrymandering the list. Your

:26:55. > :27:03.election broadcast seems rather similar to one that UKIP had. It was

:27:04. > :27:09.mine, I own it. I paid for it. In the early 2000s I think I did four

:27:10. > :27:15.broadcasts for UKIP. I was the deputy leader at the time. Do you

:27:16. > :27:23.have problems as UKIP has had that people are saying rather outlandish

:27:24. > :27:27.and Ed Jepson of all things. -- and objection all things. Not so far. I

:27:28. > :27:35.have had some amusing telephone calls. Mostly people ringing up and

:27:36. > :27:41.saying good luck. Have you had any far right problems? I do not think

:27:42. > :27:45.so. You have somebody from the Dutch Freedom party. They left the Dutch

:27:46. > :27:50.Freedom party for that reason. In the same way that some people from

:27:51. > :27:54.UKIP have distanced themselves because he has joined a group in the

:27:55. > :27:58.European Parliament which is probably obnoxious. You both want to

:27:59. > :28:03.leave Europe, you differ on privatisation but what other

:28:04. > :28:09.distinguishing characteristic you have other than you are not Nigel

:28:10. > :28:16.Farage? I am a grammar school kid, I did not go to public school. Just

:28:17. > :28:20.one policy, quickly. We think assemblies should not exist in their

:28:21. > :28:24.present form. Regional assemblies. They should be occupied by MPs who

:28:25. > :28:29.break from Westminster, it leaving the English to deal with English

:28:30. > :28:35.matters in the English Parliament. Very well. We have to leave it there

:28:36. > :28:40.but thank you. We have to pick who won guessed the year. -- the winner

:28:41. > :28:46.is Ruth Duffy from Lancashire. We'll be back tomorrow

:28:47. > :28:52.at noon with all the big political We'll be joined by pensions expert

:28:53. > :28:57.Ros Altman, so do join us then.