:00:37. > :00:37.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:38. > :00:41.A frenzy of policy announcements from Labour - from zero hours
:00:42. > :00:44.contracts to the minimum wage - but have any of them had any impact
:00:45. > :00:51.House prices are up 8% over the past year.
:00:52. > :00:55.David Cameron says he's alert to the dangers of a house price bubble.
:00:56. > :01:00.So is it time to put the brakes on the Government's Help to Buy scheme?
:01:01. > :01:13.And would you have a pint with any of these politicians?
:01:14. > :01:14.one part of the election campaign and asking, do we actually vote on
:01:15. > :01:21.local issues. We'll discuss why MPs are so keen
:01:22. > :01:25.to be seen down the local boozer. All that in the next hour
:01:26. > :01:29.and with us for the whole programme today is Baroness Sally Morgan,
:01:30. > :01:31.who's chair of Let's start with the ongoing saga
:01:32. > :01:39.of the personal emails sent by the Premier League Chief Executive,
:01:40. > :01:41.Richard Scudamore, which contained Yesterday Radio 5 Live's John
:01:42. > :01:46.Pienaar asked the Prime Minister how he would have reacted if it
:01:47. > :02:02.had been one of his ministers. You have come down hard on questions
:02:03. > :02:07.of races, you sacked one senior member of your team. When it comes
:02:08. > :02:16.to survive for long having admitted that sort of thing? -- when it comes
:02:17. > :02:20.to sexism. No, I don't think they would not. I have to be careful with
:02:21. > :02:27.what I say because I haven't seen these Pacific e-mails. In politics
:02:28. > :02:33.it would not be tolerated. Absolutely, we have to set high
:02:34. > :02:39.standards in politics. Is he right that it wouldn't have been tolerated
:02:40. > :02:43.in politics? I hope so. I was pleased he said that. It is a pretty
:02:44. > :02:47.significant issue. You can dismiss e-mails and say that it was private
:02:48. > :02:53.banter, but it is kind of a window into what people's views are. I
:02:54. > :02:56.think when somebody a leadership position, he says he says he is
:02:57. > :03:02.trying to get more women involved in sport, it is a pretty significant
:03:03. > :03:05.occurrence. If I was sitting on the board, I would be looking seriously
:03:06. > :03:12.about whether or not he should continue. You would sack him?
:03:13. > :03:15.Bluntly, I would. Should there be a line between the personal and the
:03:16. > :03:22.public? You say people in a leadership position, anything they
:03:23. > :03:29.write to a friend, a mate, however private, is still public property.
:03:30. > :03:33.There are obviously grey areas. You can't be crawling through people's
:03:34. > :03:37.e-mails. But this has been exposed by somebody who is working with him.
:03:38. > :03:41.It seems to me that is quite significant. I suppose I also
:03:42. > :03:49.think, if this was racism or potentially racist, I don't think
:03:50. > :03:54.anybody would be standing by. I think if we are serious about really
:03:55. > :03:59.promoting women, in all aspects of society, whether it is sport,
:04:00. > :04:03.business politics, we have got to take a consistent stance. You think
:04:04. > :04:08.it should be consistent across all aspects of public life, not just
:04:09. > :04:15.politics being held to a higher standard? I think politics reflect
:04:16. > :04:21.society and it should do. It is also about people's integrity. If you are
:04:22. > :04:25.leading any sort of organisation, including a business, if on the one
:04:26. > :04:30.hand you say you are keen on promoting women, supporting women to
:04:31. > :04:32.get on further, and in another bit of your life you are expressing
:04:33. > :04:37.views that don't do that at all, think that is a problem. If those
:04:38. > :04:41.things were set down the pub, the same thing would not have happened.
:04:42. > :04:47.It is because it is written down. If there had been banter in someone's
:04:48. > :04:51.home, would it have at the same impact? I don't think so but I would
:04:52. > :04:55.be disturbed if we had somebody in a leading position his audit would be
:04:56. > :04:57.OK to use that banter. It reflects something about the way he views
:04:58. > :05:06.women. Lets leave it there. This morning Ed Miliband appeared
:05:07. > :05:11.on TV and revealed he spends ?70 to Was it tea, groceries,
:05:12. > :05:17.travel or mobile phone charges? At the end of the show Sally
:05:18. > :05:20.will give us the correct answer. As we all know, the country's
:05:21. > :05:24.gearing up for the local and Euro But Ed Miliband doesn't seem to have
:05:25. > :05:30.got that memo - he's been unveiling policies more suited to
:05:31. > :05:32.a general election campaign. Here's what
:05:33. > :05:35.the Labour Party policy factory has First off the production line,
:05:36. > :05:41.its plans to give those on Then, the star product at the Labour
:05:42. > :05:48.local election campaign launch targeted "generation rent",
:05:49. > :05:52.with calls to to cap rent increases, abolish letting fees
:05:53. > :05:58.and introduce longer tenancies. Next off the conveyor belt was
:05:59. > :06:01.speedier access for GP appointments ?100 million
:06:02. > :06:08.of savings would be made elsewhere The most recent offering to be
:06:09. > :06:14.packaged for distribution was a plan to set
:06:15. > :06:18.a statutory minimum wage target. However, this one's not yet quite
:06:19. > :06:23.made its way off the factory floor - with an exact figure to be announced
:06:24. > :06:27.nearer the general election. It seems the smoke will continue
:06:28. > :06:31.to pour from the Labour policy but can Ed Miliband hit
:06:32. > :06:38.on the golden ticket that will get voters queuing up
:06:39. > :06:41.at the polling booths in 2015? Here's what Ed Miliband
:06:42. > :06:51.had to say this morning. When I go around the country, people
:06:52. > :06:58.don't say the cost of living crisis is over. People have said I will on
:06:59. > :07:02.zero hours on that, -- I am on a zero hour contract and I am
:07:03. > :07:06.struggling. People in Crawley said to me, we can't afford to buy a
:07:07. > :07:09.house. We are struggling with the rent and can't afford to buy a
:07:10. > :07:14.house. There is a deep problem about the way the country is run. It feels
:07:15. > :07:20.to so many people like the system is rigged against them, it is run for a
:07:21. > :07:23.few people at the top, not for them. That is a question that goes beyond
:07:24. > :07:27.this election, beyond even apolitical party or a political
:07:28. > :07:30.leader, it is much bigger. It is a profound question about how we run
:07:31. > :07:42.our country and I am determined we tackle it.
:07:43. > :07:45.With us now is Labour's Stephen Timms - the Shadow Employment
:07:46. > :07:48.Minister - and the Conservative Business Minister Matt Hancock.
:07:49. > :07:53.Labour haven't made the impact you would have hoped for in terms of
:07:54. > :07:59.headlines and coverage. They are just not gathering attention ahead
:08:00. > :08:02.of local and European elections. I think they will. We have been
:08:03. > :08:07.setting up the concerns, people know there is a recovery underway but
:08:08. > :08:11.they are not feeling better off as a result -- setting out the concerns.
:08:12. > :08:15.To enable people to benefit, we need some major changes and those are the
:08:16. > :08:19.ones we have been setting out, being with the fact that few bills are
:08:20. > :08:26.going up so fast, -- dealing with the fact that fuel bills. Raising
:08:27. > :08:29.the minimum wage. All of those things can ensure the recovery
:08:30. > :08:35.benefits not just a few at the top, but everybody. If there is such a
:08:36. > :08:38.crisis, as Labour keeps saying, in the cost of living and people are
:08:39. > :08:41.not feeling the recovery, you would have thought these policies would
:08:42. > :08:45.have caught on, and they haven't. Not in the way that your proposed
:08:46. > :08:52.intervention in the energy market definitely did. That captured the
:08:53. > :08:55.zeitgeist, these have not. I think we are still benefiting from that
:08:56. > :08:59.and we are setting up a range of policies that build on that, which
:09:00. > :09:02.will deal with the question, how can we make sure everyone and if it's
:09:03. > :09:08.from the recovery that is now underway. -- everyone benefits.
:09:09. > :09:12.Retail sales have already been going up over the past few months. It
:09:13. > :09:18.rather mitigates what you are saying about a cost of living crisis. Let's
:09:19. > :09:22.see what happens. The average family is ?1600 worse off since the
:09:23. > :09:27.election. Inflation figures, they were hired than the rate of pay. I
:09:28. > :09:31.don't think we have seen the end of the problem by any means. We will
:09:32. > :09:35.not argue about statistics because we have had those debates before.
:09:36. > :09:39.The government will say, look at growth, look at the recovery. But
:09:40. > :09:43.you have mimicked some of the policies that Labour has put
:09:44. > :09:48.forward, certainly in terms of energy prices. You wanted to
:09:49. > :09:57.intervene on that. The Prime Minister also made a comment about
:09:58. > :10:01.rents. So you have chased the narrative. With the rent issue, we
:10:02. > :10:06.put that forward at our conference last year and Ed Miliband said
:10:07. > :10:10.something in this area. Which policy? The policy on making sure
:10:11. > :10:14.there is the opportunity to have longer-term rents. It is very
:10:15. > :10:19.difficult to discern what the Labour Party policy is. When you say it is
:10:20. > :10:24.rent controls, they say it is not. They say, is it what we set out at
:10:25. > :10:30.the conference, they don't want to admit to that. There is a bigger
:10:31. > :10:36.picture, why aren't any of these proposals cutting through? It is a
:10:37. > :10:41.hodgepodge, a whole series of little announcements, some of which fall
:10:42. > :10:45.apart at the first sight. Some of which address concerns that matter,
:10:46. > :10:55.but there is a big picture out there. You are saying growth is more
:10:56. > :10:59.important. Looking at the issue of growth is more important than the
:11:00. > :11:04.smaller issues, even if they are a concern. You have put it rather
:11:05. > :11:09.well. I hope it is how you would put it rather than I would. There is a
:11:10. > :11:13.big picture. We have a long-term economic plan to deal with the
:11:14. > :11:18.economy. It is starting to bear fruit. The job is by far from done.
:11:19. > :11:24.It is making progress. The deficit is coming down. Pay is just adding
:11:25. > :11:29.to get up there with inflation. -- just starting to. From Labour there
:11:30. > :11:33.is no big picture plan, just a whole series of pocket piece, hodgepodge
:11:34. > :11:40.policies that don't add up to anything. I would finish by saying
:11:41. > :11:46.this. They add up to less than the sum of their parts. That is the
:11:47. > :11:50.problem with the Labour proposal. You will not agree with that but is
:11:51. > :11:54.it because you can't do anything about growth? You cannot argue
:11:55. > :11:57.against what is happening so you are having to go for, what he would
:11:58. > :12:04.call, these smaller, sideline issues. We had three years with
:12:05. > :12:07.hardly any growth at all. Thankfully at last, there is growth appearing
:12:08. > :12:12.and hopefully that will be sustained. It has left us with a
:12:13. > :12:17.very serious legacy of problems. For example, and most unprecedentedly
:12:18. > :12:26.large number of people have been out of work for a long time -- almost
:12:27. > :12:30.unprecedentedly. The measures Ed Miliband has set out the right thing
:12:31. > :12:33.to do, otherwise we will be left with a recovery where only the very
:12:34. > :12:37.few at the top are feeling the benefit and everyone else is left
:12:38. > :12:42.behind. We can't carry like that. Declaration of course it
:12:43. > :12:50.Of course it takes a long time to recover from the recession
:12:51. > :12:55.established when you were in office. The key is this, on the really big
:12:56. > :12:59.questions, are you going to borrow more than we are planning as a
:13:00. > :13:05.government? It is a question that Ed Miliband will answer. He gives a
:13:06. > :13:10.very compensated answer. We are very clear, this government promise to
:13:11. > :13:17.end the deficit will stop Are you going to borrow more? It is
:13:18. > :13:24.straightforward. We will want to end the deficit as soon as we possibly
:13:25. > :13:27.can, in the next Parliament. We are setting out measures to do that in a
:13:28. > :13:32.way that is fair to everyone, not just a few at the top. When this
:13:33. > :13:35.government was elected, it said we would have steady growth and falling
:13:36. > :13:40.unemployment, it didn't happen. It has left a big legacy of problems
:13:41. > :13:43.that we will address. Will be Labour government borrow more than our
:13:44. > :13:52.plans? Inter we will set out our detailed budget plans at the time --
:13:53. > :14:00.We will set out our detailed budget plans at the time. Who is right? A
:14:01. > :14:04.big question for you! Do people at home think growth is going up,
:14:05. > :14:10.marvellous, or do they look at Labour and think, these issues of
:14:11. > :14:18.looking at rent increases, GP appointments, do they have more
:14:19. > :14:23.traction? I think at this stage, symbolic policies are quite useful.
:14:24. > :14:26.I think where Matthew is right is that by the time of the general
:14:27. > :14:31.election, it will be the big economic landscape that is where the
:14:32. > :14:37.real fight will take place. I think the minimum wage, it is very
:14:38. > :14:42.interesting. I think the Government have clearly been quite supportive
:14:43. > :14:47.of a rise but it turned out to be very tiny. The symbol was there but
:14:48. > :14:52.the policy was inadequate in my view. If I think back to the rows
:14:53. > :14:56.there were when we were in government, that the world was going
:14:57. > :15:00.to collapse as we knew it, if you say you want to make work pay, it
:15:01. > :15:05.means the minimum wage has to go up. Otherwise the taxpayers pay, rather
:15:06. > :15:08.than employers. I think these symbolic policies are important but
:15:09. > :15:15.by the time of the general election, it is about the bigger
:15:16. > :15:19.picture. Let's have a look at the minimum
:15:20. > :15:24.wage because that is something Labour have said they want to put
:15:25. > :15:30.up. I think George Osborne said he would increase it, you have not put
:15:31. > :15:36.an exact figure on it but presumably it will be closer to ?7 an hour? It
:15:37. > :15:42.is puzzling that George Osborne said there should be a significant
:15:43. > :15:45.increase when it has not happened. We put in evidence to the low pay
:15:46. > :15:49.commission that over two years you could have this sort of increase and
:15:50. > :15:54.in the first year they proposed the minimum wage should go up by 3%,
:15:55. > :15:59.more than average earnings. In fact, the report says that compared to
:16:00. > :16:03.average earnings, the level of the minimum wage has never been higher,
:16:04. > :16:10.and then it is going up faster than average earnings. Crucially, this is
:16:11. > :16:14.done through the low pay commission, to make sure that as well as
:16:15. > :16:20.unions, business is onside and everyone supports it, and it is done
:16:21. > :16:27.in a way that does not cost jobs. You can put the evidence in you
:16:28. > :16:36.want. You can get some direction. De Lo Paid Commission is this the
:16:37. > :16:41.Independent. We can afford to see an increase. Crucially, I was amazed
:16:42. > :16:45.that in labour's proposals they said the changes should happen
:16:46. > :16:55.irrespective of the impact on the wider economy. The independent
:16:56. > :17:01.directors have said this is not the right way to go on this. You need
:17:02. > :17:05.businesses to be on board with this. I remember the negotiations with
:17:06. > :17:08.industry at the time of the minimum wage and it was successful. It is
:17:09. > :17:13.not good enough for ministers to say we should have an increase and then
:17:14. > :17:17.not do anything to deliver it. The level of the minimum wage is 53% of
:17:18. > :17:21.median earnings. It needs to rise. level of the minimum wage is 53% of
:17:22. > :17:25.If the recovery is going to benefit not just a few at the top, but
:17:26. > :17:30.everybody... I am not just a few at the top, but
:17:31. > :17:33.supporter of the minimum wage. I want to look
:17:34. > :17:35.supporter of the minimum wage. I business. The argument being
:17:36. > :17:36.supporter of the minimum wage. I Matt Hancock is unique business
:17:37. > :17:41.onside. We remember you did Matt Hancock is unique business
:17:42. > :17:54.accepted issue. Let's speak to Digby accepted issue. Let's speak to Digby
:17:55. > :18:02.previous government. The last people on earth who should plan anything is
:18:03. > :18:14.a politician. I agree with you but there are loads of policies which
:18:15. > :18:20.are not good for business. I think Labour are not good for business.
:18:21. > :18:28.The plan we have this week is drawn up by Alan Buckle, the former chair
:18:29. > :18:32.of KPMG. I am confident we can reach an agreement with business. At the
:18:33. > :18:39.time of the 1997 general election, there was not time at that time --
:18:40. > :18:43.there was not agreement at that time. People realised it was in the
:18:44. > :18:48.country's interest that everybody should benefit from the recovery,
:18:49. > :18:55.not just a few. When will the government increase the minimum
:18:56. > :19:05.wage? October, ?26 50. It will have gone up faster than average earnings
:19:06. > :19:11.-- it will go up to ?6 50. It will be done in a way which does not
:19:12. > :19:15.damage jobs and has support from unions and business in a
:19:16. > :19:24.non-partisan way. We put in evidence to say that we thought it can go up
:19:25. > :19:28.now. We have made a load of progress. Let's look at one issue in
:19:29. > :19:36.terms of the recovery. Is there a housing bubble in London? Clearly,
:19:37. > :19:41.house prices are rising in London. Is there a double? It is very
:19:42. > :19:44.difficult to know. There is huge amount of money coming in from
:19:45. > :19:52.overseas. The London market, the figures show they are quite separate
:19:53. > :19:56.from outside London. This debate on housing is often debated by people
:19:57. > :20:01.who all have houses in London and we should not allow a coffee table
:20:02. > :20:08.discussion around those who are themselves impacted... Mark Carney
:20:09. > :20:13.says the UK has deep structural problems and poses the biggest risk
:20:14. > :20:18.to the recovery. I strongly agree with Mark Carney but the point is,
:20:19. > :20:22.over the whole country, house price inflation was much lower the figures
:20:23. > :20:26.this morning showed. Outside of London, I was in Carlisle last week,
:20:27. > :20:30.and making sure people can get access to homes and buy a home in
:20:31. > :20:35.places like Carlisle where house prices are much lower is really
:20:36. > :20:40.important. Should Help to Buy be reined in? When we set up Help to
:20:41. > :20:46.Buy we gave the Bank of England the ability to do that. I would like him
:20:47. > :20:49.to make the judgement on that. I'm concerned about what the government
:20:50. > :20:53.and others have said about what Help to Buy is doing in the housing
:20:54. > :20:59.market. I get the real thing we need to do is get more houses built.
:21:00. > :21:04.Everyone agrees with that. It was a failure by Labour to build the
:21:05. > :21:10.houses we needed. Equally, there has been a failure by this government to
:21:11. > :21:16.build houses at the rate we need. It is worth saying something on that.
:21:17. > :21:21.The number of completions of course was low but the number of starts has
:21:22. > :21:25.really started to accelerate, partly because we put in place the
:21:26. > :21:30.financing to get it going. The problem now is there is a housing
:21:31. > :21:38.bubble mouth to take the heat out of it should help to Bybee reindeer
:21:39. > :21:47.and? -- should help to Bali be reined in? My concern is that we
:21:48. > :21:55.could be heading in the direction of a bubble again now. Thank you.
:21:56. > :21:59.Now if you've been a regular watcher of the Daily Politics over the past
:22:00. > :22:02.few weeks, you'd know that as well as providing you with in-depth
:22:03. > :22:05.and enthralling coverage of the big parties contesting this week's
:22:06. > :22:08.elections, we've also taken time to talk to some of the smaller parties.
:22:09. > :22:32.Adam Fleming is outside parliament with representatives of not one -
:22:33. > :22:39.We have Nikki Sinclaire, a leader We Demand a Referendum Now Party, Tommy
:22:40. > :22:45.Tomescu, who is the leader of Europeans Party and Brian Denny who
:22:46. > :22:52.is leader of the No2EU. What is your policy? We believe there should be a
:22:53. > :22:59.referendum now. Surely investment is the, uncertainty is the biggest
:23:00. > :23:03.uncertainty of investment so therefore we cannot wait three
:23:04. > :23:07.years. We are quite clearly saying we need that referendum now. It was
:23:08. > :23:12.my campaign which forced David Cameron to the dispatch box and
:23:13. > :23:16.forced him to offer that referendum. By re-electing me in the West
:23:17. > :23:21.Midlands, you will have someone who will fight for a referendum.
:23:22. > :23:25.Realistically, people who really want a referendum to happen should
:23:26. > :23:29.just vote Tory in the next election, shouldn't they? David Cameron said
:23:30. > :23:33.he wanted to stop banging on about Europe. It was my petition which
:23:34. > :23:38.forced the debate in Parliament, it has forced him to the dispatch box
:23:39. > :23:43.and forced the issue. This shows what one small party with one MEP
:23:44. > :23:47.can actually do. By re-electing me in the West Midlands is someone who
:23:48. > :23:52.will not let David Cameron renege on his promises as Prime Minister 's
:23:53. > :24:07.have in the past. Tommy Tomescu, what made you quit dentistry and
:24:08. > :24:14.take up politics? There is a lot of offences against Romanians and this
:24:15. > :24:22.coincides with the latest campaign and what UKIP have said. We have
:24:23. > :24:31.said no one takes any kind of measures against these and people
:24:32. > :24:36.are becoming more and more... We demand a case to be followed and we
:24:37. > :24:42.demand the Crown Prosecution Service go and analyse the case against
:24:43. > :24:48.Nigel Farage for incitement to hatred... You think he should be
:24:49. > :24:51.prosecuted? He should be prosecuted, clearly. He does not have to be
:24:52. > :24:57.above the law just because the party is afraid they will lose votes. Have
:24:58. > :25:05.you called the police to complain about him? I have done a complaint,
:25:06. > :25:11.I am preparing to send it. I have a clip which I have placed on the
:25:12. > :25:17.Europeans Party page and we are preparing to send it. Now Nigel
:25:18. > :25:22.Farage is also setting up an army. It is not enough that he is
:25:23. > :25:28.portraying racial hate attacks against Romanians. The People's
:25:29. > :25:36.Army, was at that one of Hitler's early slogans? He is also saying
:25:37. > :25:42.that some people from different nations are against, are better than
:25:43. > :25:48.other nations. It is the same agenda. Brian, waiting very
:25:49. > :25:54.patiently, you are No2EU, what are you yes to? We are yes to democracy
:25:55. > :26:01.and yes to workers' rights. The EU is undermining workers' rights
:26:02. > :26:03.across Europe. Look at Greece and Portugal and countries like Romania.
:26:04. > :26:08.Collective bar and has been abolished and also EU rules out
:26:09. > :26:13.privatising our public services. It is interesting you talk about UKIP
:26:14. > :26:18.because UKIP are campaigning for the European rail directives to be
:26:19. > :26:21.rolled out across the EU. UKIP MEPs are campaigning for the
:26:22. > :26:23.privatisation of railways across Europe and they are campaigning for
:26:24. > :26:28.the privatisation of the NHS. None of those policies will be popular
:26:29. > :26:33.with the British electorate. The point is, most British people
:26:34. > :26:36.support the National Health Service and they support renationalisation
:26:37. > :26:41.of the roadways and No2EU was the only party standing on that platform
:26:42. > :26:47.in this election -- nationalisation of the railways. Has at the EU been
:26:48. > :26:56.great for workers' rights like the working time directive? In Greece,
:26:57. > :26:58.if you go on strike, the Athens transport workers, you are
:26:59. > :27:03.conscripted into the army automatically. That is not the
:27:04. > :27:07.agenda that social Europe is opposed to be in lamenting. Most of the
:27:08. > :27:11.directives that are supposed to defend workers are soft law, they do
:27:12. > :27:16.not implement it and the massive loopholes. The Swedish derogation
:27:17. > :27:29.means it cannot be it lamented so social Europe is a con. So you want
:27:30. > :27:29.means it cannot be it lamented so to withdraw from a system,? Jelena
:27:30. > :27:37.Renaud we to withdraw from a system,? Jelena
:27:38. > :27:41.regardless. -- we need to grasp the nettle and make that decision.
:27:42. > :27:48.Either be fully involved in the EU or leave it all together. If people
:27:49. > :27:57.vote to leave your referendum -- if people vote for referendum... What
:27:58. > :28:02.will you do? We do not think the free movement of capital, labour and
:28:03. > :28:10.goods and services is a good way of running society. It does not mean
:28:11. > :28:16.immigration will be abolished. The last word to Tommy. You should not
:28:17. > :28:22.just pick and choose. There are some good things and bad things in
:28:23. > :28:27.Europe. And also we are for a referendum. But people should be
:28:28. > :28:31.informed about this and people should choose who to inform but now
:28:32. > :28:36.they are afraid to do that because they are afraid. I ask the people to
:28:37. > :28:39.vote for the Europeans Party for the migrant workers. Thank you for
:28:40. > :28:42.joining us, we will continue discussing this but I have to hand
:28:43. > :28:49.back to the studio. Thank you. With just 48 hours to go before
:28:50. > :28:53.polling day across the country, we've decided to send our reporters
:28:54. > :28:56.out and about to get a flavour of how the election campaigns are going
:28:57. > :29:00.- and what voters make of it all. Today Giles is in Milton Keynes.
:29:01. > :29:11.Giles. Good morning. We are in
:29:12. > :29:14.Keynes having a look at the microcosm of local elections. Local
:29:15. > :29:16.Keynes having a look at the elections get notoriously bad
:29:17. > :29:21.turnouts. Is it because we do not really care or is it because what
:29:22. > :29:27.drives our vote is not just local issues. We took our infamous mood
:29:28. > :29:30.box into centre MKII asked an important question.
:29:31. > :29:33.It is an important question.
:29:34. > :29:37.It important question, do people vote on local issues or national
:29:38. > :29:52.issues? Let's find out what the shoppers think.
:29:53. > :29:59.this government, although there is no other government that can take
:30:00. > :30:01.over that are better than they are... I just want them to opt for
:30:02. > :30:13.their are... I just want them to opt for
:30:14. > :30:16.are... To you, it are... I just want them to opt for
:30:17. > :30:26.because you would vote for that party anyway? Yes, basically. If you
:30:27. > :30:31.were to choose? Local. Thank you very much. Slightly bending the
:30:32. > :30:37.democratic process by allowing a youngster to vote, but why not start
:30:38. > :30:38.them early? Without on what is going to be better
:30:39. > :30:42.them early? Without on what is going community. I don't care. Every
:30:43. > :30:49.politician is a liar. National. community. I don't care. Every
:30:50. > :30:58.Because it would affect everybody, not just me, not just our local
:30:59. > :31:07.community. Everybody wants two votes, that is not how it works. I
:31:08. > :31:13.don't bother with the local things. They do what they do with our money.
:31:14. > :31:19.National is much more important. Do you know who your local candidates
:31:20. > :31:24.are? No. Do you know what they stand for? Not really. But still the local
:31:25. > :31:30.issues are relevant? Yes, of course. for? Not really. But still the local
:31:31. > :31:37.I haven't heard anything from my local candidate. If they can't make
:31:38. > :31:45.the effort, why should you? This is it, very true. It is a general
:31:46. > :31:50.attitude to politics, life, and how they are going to treat people. I
:31:51. > :31:54.think there is also a disconnect in terms of voters perceiving what can
:31:55. > :31:59.be done locally. Because local government is so controlled by
:32:00. > :32:05.central government. The way the local one, it gives more people more
:32:06. > :32:15.of a say. With the national one, you don't really get heard. Here is the
:32:16. > :32:20.thing. It was interesting. At first it was all local issues that were
:32:21. > :32:23.more important, then there was a splurge as people started to think,
:32:24. > :32:27.sometimes they vote in local elections to send a national
:32:28. > :32:29.message, sometimes they don't know a lot about what is going
:32:30. > :32:33.message, sometimes they don't know a and sometimes they don't think they
:32:34. > :32:46.are that important. In the end, national issues has just won.
:32:47. > :32:52.It is not necessarily scientific but it does change the way politicians
:32:53. > :33:01.come to your doorstep. Let's find out how it works with two candidates
:33:02. > :33:06.who will be standing. Just explain to me, the problem for Labour, it
:33:07. > :33:11.seems to me, if you don't do well, everybody turns around and says, Ed
:33:12. > :33:15.Miliband is in trouble, Labour is in trouble. If you do well, everyone
:33:16. > :33:19.says, the opposition always does well in local elections when they
:33:20. > :33:25.are not in power. It is a bit of a lose-lose situation. Not really. I
:33:26. > :33:28.think what truly matters is we do a good job locally, talking about
:33:29. > :33:32.issues that matter to local people. Things like affordable housing,
:33:33. > :33:38.child care, the fact that living is getting harder for most people. Why
:33:39. > :33:43.is it that a lot of people didn't know who their candidates were and
:33:44. > :33:47.what they were doing locally? Milton Keynes is a huge city with 19 seats
:33:48. > :33:51.up for election. It is difficult to get across to everybody in the city
:33:52. > :33:55.what we are talking about. What we do have local fights and we are
:33:56. > :34:02.trying to get out there. We spoke to 1000 people at the weekend. We are
:34:03. > :34:05.listening to what people say. If you are in power, and many people I
:34:06. > :34:10.spoke to yesterday said, local elections, I am not that fast, I
:34:11. > :34:14.will use it to send the government a bloody nose -- not that bothered
:34:15. > :34:18.about it. It means whatever you're doing, they are judging you on
:34:19. > :34:23.completely different, they are not even judging you. We do get that
:34:24. > :34:26.message on the doorstep at times but I den think they are being as
:34:27. > :34:32.judgemental on this government as others may have been -- I don't
:34:33. > :34:35.think. They are saying national policies are helping malting
:34:36. > :34:40.Keynes. We are getting others saying they appreciate what we have done
:34:41. > :34:43.locally. -- helping Milton Keynes. People who may have voted a
:34:44. > :34:51.different weights are saying, you have done a good job and we support
:34:52. > :35:00.you. -- who have voted a different way. Is it a failure of local
:35:01. > :35:05.government to explain what it does? Or is it a failure of the press to
:35:06. > :35:11.promote local elections... We are here, now! You are complaining! I am
:35:12. > :35:13.saying that you talk a lot about European elections and general
:35:14. > :35:18.elections in the run-up, local elections are often portrayed as the
:35:19. > :35:23.referendum on what is happening nationally. They are not bad. Local
:35:24. > :35:27.elections affect people more on the ground in the locality where they
:35:28. > :35:34.live than any other elections. -- they are not that. It is people who
:35:35. > :35:37.vote to say, I don't see them as important as other types of election
:35:38. > :35:42.and don't seem to get the idea of what you can and can't do for them.
:35:43. > :35:47.We can do lots. The government has made it far more to God for us to
:35:48. > :35:51.implement affordable housing. The government is failing on childcare.
:35:52. > :35:54.These issues come across on the doorstep, they want to know what we
:35:55. > :36:00.are going to do about them. That is why we do it out onto the doorstep.
:36:01. > :36:02.I was talking to somebody and other day who voted Labour and
:36:03. > :36:09.Conservative in the past and was thinking about voting UKIP. When we
:36:10. > :36:13.said why, he didn't know. There is the question, are you both worried?
:36:14. > :36:16.A lot of people think you should both be worried of the fact that
:36:17. > :36:23.people don't necessarily know what they are for, but they are thinking
:36:24. > :36:27.about voting for them. The media have had a love affair for UKIP, now
:36:28. > :36:30.it seems they love to hate them. What have they got to offer locally?
:36:31. > :36:35.Absolutely nothing. They have no local politicians, they have one
:36:36. > :36:41.policy, to withdraw from Europe. Why would you ever vote UKIP in a local
:36:42. > :36:45.election? Thank you very much. We will be speaking to a UKIP candidate
:36:46. > :36:50.and the Lib Dems later. Join us later.
:36:51. > :36:53.And you can find a list of all the candidates standing
:36:54. > :36:56.in the local elections in Milton Keynes on the council's website -
:36:57. > :37:20.Sally Morgan, were you surprised that people viewed local elections
:37:21. > :37:25.as more important? I think it varies. I think it does vary from
:37:26. > :37:31.counsel to counsel. If councils are effective and capture the big mood
:37:32. > :37:36.locally, people support them. Sometimes that is by symbolic
:37:37. > :37:41.policies. Even in the constraints of the current position... I spoke to
:37:42. > :37:47.somebody last night, literally in the pub after a meeting, who lived
:37:48. > :37:50.in Southwark. He was saying, I think the council getting their act
:37:51. > :37:53.together, they are going to offer free gym membership. That was
:37:54. > :37:57.interesting, they were using their health and well-being money to do
:37:58. > :38:03.something interesting and symbolic, and bluntly, eye-catching, and
:38:04. > :38:08.saying, we want it to be really active in terms of doing something
:38:09. > :38:17.interesting on the health agenda. Sometimes an city council -- and
:38:18. > :38:19.imaginative counsel can spell out policies in an effective way --
:38:20. > :38:26.sometimes Annan Our guest of the day - Baroness
:38:27. > :38:30.Morgan - is the chair of Oftsed, the But she'll only be in the job
:38:31. > :38:35.for a few more months. Earlier this year a row broke out
:38:36. > :38:45.over the Education Secretary's the Education Secretary, Michael
:38:46. > :38:51.Gove, has confirmed that the Labour peer, Lady Morgan, who chairs
:38:52. > :38:55.Ofsted, will not be given a second spell in the post.
:38:56. > :38:58.The spell in the post.
:38:59. > :39:02.of making a determined effort to put Tory supporters in charge of public
:39:03. > :39:07.bodies. The claim has been made by Baroness Morgan after she was told
:39:08. > :39:12.she would not be reappointed as the head of state. It was a huge shock
:39:13. > :39:19.for Baroness Morgan come in the Bitcoin
:39:20. > :39:27.It became a huge story because Sally establishment.
:39:28. > :39:32.It became a huge story because Sally Morgan decided to take it not lying
:39:33. > :39:36.down. She went on the airwaves to denounce Michael Gove and Downing
:39:37. > :39:41.Street for taking the decision on party political grounds. I am the
:39:42. > :39:48.latest of a fairly long list of people who are nonconservative
:39:49. > :39:50.supporters who are not being reappointed. I think there is a
:39:51. > :39:54.pattern and it is extremely worrying. One of the important
:39:55. > :39:58.things is that public appointments are made on the basis of merits.
:39:59. > :40:05.Sally Morgan knows all about politics, she was once a senior aide
:40:06. > :40:08.to Tony Blair. She was 180 degrees wrong in that the Tories were
:40:09. > :40:14.stuffing quangos with Tories. More Labour people get appointed and
:40:15. > :40:17.Tories. She will think she has got a pretty good media hit, she is
:40:18. > :40:20.eloquent, she got her message across, she lit up the sky that
:40:21. > :40:30.Saturday warning and did not get much criticism. The Education
:40:31. > :40:34.Secretary Michael Gove praised Sally Morgan and denied it was a little
:40:35. > :40:38.move. I appointed her in the first by snowing she was Labour. We have
:40:39. > :40:47.move. I appointed her in the first Labour adviser to head the NHS. --
:40:48. > :40:49.move. I appointed her in the first appoint on merit. Applications for
:40:50. > :40:52.the new chair of Ofsted have now closed and no one will be more
:40:53. > :41:04.interested in who gets the job than the outgoing chair, Sally Morgan.
:41:05. > :41:06.And of course Sally Morgan is still with us.
:41:07. > :41:11.And of course Sally Morgan is still
:41:12. > :41:17.I said there was an inclination for nonconservative to be put into
:41:18. > :41:25.posts. I said what I needed to say at the time. My absolute commitment
:41:26. > :41:29.is to hope Ofsted goes from strength to strength. At the end of the clip
:41:30. > :41:33.you said, I am interested in who gets the post. That is because I
:41:34. > :41:37.wanted to be somebody who really cares and understands why Ofsted is
:41:38. > :41:44.important and can work well with the chief inspector. You said you
:41:45. > :41:48.anxious about that pattern. I am anxious about any suggestion that
:41:49. > :41:52.decisions are not being made on capability and merit. If we have
:41:53. > :41:58.public appointments, they must always be seen to be made on merit
:41:59. > :42:06.and must be made on merit. I had a concern that wasn't happening. Do
:42:07. > :42:09.you still have that concern? I hope that in a sense by raising the
:42:10. > :42:17.issue, possibly there is a bit more focus. What was the evidence to
:42:18. > :42:21.support your concern? Fraser Nelson said the government will actually
:42:22. > :42:26.appointing more Labour people to various quangos or government
:42:27. > :42:29.agencies. I am not in favour of any government placing people into
:42:30. > :42:33.things. It is entirely inappropriate. If Labour put people
:42:34. > :42:39.in who were not appropriate, would have condemned that as well. What is
:42:40. > :42:44.very important is that important positions are made on the basis of
:42:45. > :42:49.merit regardless of politics. It is not to say Conservatives should not
:42:50. > :42:52.get it, I rarely clear about that. If a strong conservative person with
:42:53. > :42:56.a commitment to education, who gets on well and constructively and can
:42:57. > :43:02.give support to an extremely good chief expected, -- inspector, that
:43:03. > :43:06.is fine by me. The important thing is the right people are appointed
:43:07. > :43:10.who can take is organisations forward. There's not much point in
:43:11. > :43:16.having independent unless they are independent. My absolute commitment
:43:17. > :43:23.now and when I finish is the importance of Ofsted and I will
:43:24. > :43:26.continue to support it from outside. Let's have a look at the Department
:43:27. > :43:33.of education. It doesn't seem to have been a happy ship. There was a
:43:34. > :43:38.divide between the Lib Dems and Conservatives, more recently there
:43:39. > :43:48.has been a row over free school meals, what is your view? There is a
:43:49. > :43:53.lot of noise and it is partly a symptom of being in the last year of
:43:54. > :43:58.a coalition government. I think the differences on education, across all
:43:59. > :44:01.of the parties, are not that great. You can either choose to make them
:44:02. > :44:09.significant or you can say, there is a lot of consensus. What I would
:44:10. > :44:16.say, briefings, public rows, private leaking of things, is not a good way
:44:17. > :44:20.to run a government. I would have to say as a teacher, get your house in
:44:21. > :44:26.order, it is not very good way to be running education. You think the
:44:27. > :44:30.parties are much closer and some of it is manufactured in terms of the
:44:31. > :44:34.differences. Are you happy and clear with what Labour's policy is
:44:35. > :44:37.regarding free schools. Completely. Between all the parties, there is
:44:38. > :44:42.not that much difference on free schools. Labour's position is clear,
:44:43. > :44:49.labour supports free schools, it may call them something different. Why
:44:50. > :44:55.not just call them academies, because they are academies? That was
:44:56. > :44:59.the beginning of a symbolic noise in the system. Because free schools
:45:00. > :45:04.have the same funding arrangements as academies. Free schools are a new
:45:05. > :45:09.form of academies with a different name. Apart from that they are not
:45:10. > :45:14.different. The issue that Labour and the Lib Dems, probably, is when
:45:15. > :45:17.things are tough, when money is tight, who should decide where free
:45:18. > :45:28.schools are and where should they be? Should they be in areas of need?
:45:29. > :45:32.That is where the parties differ? Should the teachers be qualified?
:45:33. > :45:38.Tristram Hunt has been clear about that. His view is that teachers
:45:39. > :45:41.should be qualified. My view is that people do not necessarily have to be
:45:42. > :45:45.qualified when they walk into a classroom but over time people
:45:46. > :45:51.should get qualified. Actually, you are always going to have music
:45:52. > :45:59.teachers and extra sports teachers who are not. There is a big divide.
:46:00. > :46:04.I think there are not many unqualified teachers in any school
:46:05. > :46:09.including private schools. What about inspecting private schools. Is
:46:10. > :46:14.that an appropriate role for Ofsted? I'm sure if I was talking to the
:46:15. > :46:20.chief finance he would say, as long as we get the funding! I think that
:46:21. > :46:23.is an interesting idea. I am pleased that Michael Gove suggested it. When
:46:24. > :46:28.we have such a varied system now as we do, with free schools and with
:46:29. > :46:31.academies and with maintained schools and independent schools, and
:46:32. > :46:36.nobody is very clear about at all, what is the thing parents can hold
:46:37. > :46:41.on to? They can hold onto Ofsted viewing all schools in the same way
:46:42. > :46:44.through the same prism. That is not the case for independent schools. I
:46:45. > :46:50.suspect quite a lot of good heads and parents would have a view that
:46:51. > :46:56.it is well come across the whole system. Ofsted is evolved into an
:46:57. > :47:02.investigation in Birmingham, the so-called Trojan horse plot, do we
:47:03. > :47:06.know when they will be able to publish their report? I think it
:47:07. > :47:11.will be next week. I am really pleased that Michael was sure took a
:47:12. > :47:19.personal view on the whole thing. He will report on that next week. And
:47:20. > :47:25.the academies trust will be the first one to close? What is really
:47:26. > :47:29.important is and what of the key issues going forward is, where is
:47:30. > :47:33.the oversight of schools around the country? People need to know where
:47:34. > :47:37.to turn to if they are concerned? At the moment, the only place people
:47:38. > :47:40.know about is Ofsted but there needs to be something else between the
:47:41. > :47:45.Department and between the individual schools.
:47:46. > :47:53.More now on the local election campaign. Giles is in Milton Keynes.
:47:54. > :47:55.These days it is a much more colourful political spectrum. There
:47:56. > :48:00.is yellow in government for the first time and there is purple on
:48:01. > :48:06.the map. Our Conservative spokesperson took no time at all to
:48:07. > :48:11.dig into UKIP. Stuart Moore is standing for them. Robin Bradburn is
:48:12. > :48:15.standing for the Lib Dems. We pretty much know now what UKIP stand for in
:48:16. > :48:20.national terms, they have been great clear about that, what you do
:48:21. > :48:25.locally? What is your policy on schools admissions or clearing the
:48:26. > :48:28.beans, recycling? The first thing we will do in local government is
:48:29. > :48:34.listen to the people and use a bit of common sense. Our local policies
:48:35. > :48:38.have been on our website for over four months now. They have been
:48:39. > :48:42.published by the North Branch and the South Branch. The problem is,
:48:43. > :48:48.people have been given rhetoric. the South Branch. The problem is,
:48:49. > :48:53.They do not understand we are a serious threat. Our policies include
:48:54. > :48:57.protection of schools, investing in schools, helping more senior
:48:58. > :49:01.citizens who are not as well. Can you do that if you do not win the
:49:02. > :49:06.council and you will not win the council, will you? We can make a
:49:07. > :49:11.very, very serious difference. At the moment, we will either be in a
:49:12. > :49:13.conservative or a Labour council. We can make a serious impact and not
:49:14. > :49:25.let them can make a serious impact and not
:49:26. > :49:29.they have made so far. One of the things is it is hard for you to go
:49:30. > :49:33.on the doorstep and say, that was asked when it might have been all of
:49:34. > :49:39.you, how would you make a difference on the doorstep? We make a
:49:40. > :49:45.difference because we contact the residents all year round. In Milton
:49:46. > :49:49.Keynes we produce a document which we sent around every four weeks. A
:49:50. > :49:54.lot of people do not know what their local councillors do. We try and
:49:55. > :49:58.inform them. It is an education process. You put the information
:49:59. > :50:03.before them and then they make their decisions. Isn't it true that a
:50:04. > :50:06.smaller party in with a coalition government for the first time, it
:50:07. > :50:10.does not matter what you do, you will get voted on because of what is
:50:11. > :50:11.happening with Nick Clegg in government rather than you in Milton
:50:12. > :50:16.Keynes? We all appreciate that government rather than you in Milton
:50:17. > :50:23.we work hard for the community. Things
:50:24. > :50:27.we work hard for the community. in Milton Keynes. We will push that
:50:28. > :50:31.information to the voters so they can understand that we work for the
:50:32. > :50:34.community, not just for election advantage at this time. I do not
:50:35. > :50:37.community, not just for election know if you have said anything daft
:50:38. > :50:40.but some of your fellow councillors have, how much damage is that
:50:41. > :50:42.but some of your fellow councillors for you? No no matter what party you
:50:43. > :50:46.are in, for you? No no matter what party you
:50:47. > :50:52.something really daft then it will make a difference. But I think most
:50:53. > :50:55.people will have a certain degree of more common sense. I they voting for
:50:56. > :51:02.you or are they voting not for more common sense. I they voting for
:51:03. > :51:06.others? I think it is a combination. Some of them are fed up and they
:51:07. > :51:09.want change. Some new voters are coming to us because what we say a
:51:10. > :51:13.sense. Do you miss coming to us because what we say a
:51:14. > :51:17.party? The point is, coming to us because what we say a
:51:18. > :51:25.for UKIP does not get things done. When you vote for us, we get things
:51:26. > :51:29.done. The local administration at the moment have renege on the pink
:51:30. > :51:30.sank recycling by reducing the number that are available. Our
:51:31. > :51:36.record of being the top 57% number that are available. Our
:51:37. > :51:39.in the country is under jeopardy because of a decision. It
:51:40. > :51:41.interesting enough. You may think pink sacks and mowing
:51:42. > :51:45.interesting enough. You may think a bit parochial but when you talk to
:51:46. > :51:53.people, that is the sort of things they notice and the things in local
:51:54. > :51:55.elections which actually count. That is it, Jo.
:51:56. > :51:58.day in Milton Keynes.
:51:59. > :52:01.And you can check out all the candidates standing for
:52:02. > :52:05.Milton Keynes council at www.milton-keynes.gov.uk
:52:06. > :52:08.Now - is Ed Miliband the kind of guy you'd like to have
:52:09. > :52:15.I ask because Ed Balls has felt the need to make it clear that he and Ed
:52:16. > :52:18.have enjoyed a few beers together, having previously said they had
:52:19. > :52:23.So why are top politicians so keen to be seen as someone
:52:24. > :52:38.In a moment we'll discuss that. First though, take a look at this.
:52:39. > :53:17.Have a look at that colour. And cheers. They have already started
:53:18. > :53:20.talking. I'm joined now by Alex Bull,
:53:21. > :53:23.brewmaster of the By The Horns brewery, the wine and beer critic,
:53:24. > :53:25.Oz Clarke, and Chair of the all-party group
:53:26. > :53:39.on beer, the Conservative MP, Why is it so important for
:53:40. > :53:43.politicians to be seen as the sort of person you would like to be with
:53:44. > :53:45.down the pub? of person you would like to be with
:53:46. > :53:50.down I think it is about likeability. Having a pint of beer
:53:51. > :53:53.is one of life's simple pleasures. If a politician can demonstrate they
:53:54. > :53:57.are the sort of guy you would want to have applied with, then they are
:53:58. > :54:03.the sort of person you would trust to take decisions to in government.
:54:04. > :54:08.I was going to say, also, we have demonstrated that MPs do get it,
:54:09. > :54:12.they do understand that British beer is a great fantastic product, our
:54:13. > :54:17.pubs are important to our communities and it is not just about
:54:18. > :54:21.posing and being seen with applied in your hand like Nigel Farage, it
:54:22. > :54:26.is about supporting British pubs and British beer which is so important
:54:27. > :54:31.to our communities. Let's talk about the issue of likeability. Alex, we
:54:32. > :54:36.have a range of beers here. If we think about the leaders of the main
:54:37. > :54:45.political parties, which one do you think would suit which party leader?
:54:46. > :54:50.We will start with our Stiff Per Lit. We will pay this with Ed
:54:51. > :54:56.Miliband which is not what you might think -- stiff upper lip. The
:54:57. > :55:06.gentleman on the front has a likeness. It is a light ale, 3.8%
:55:07. > :55:13.and probably more akin to the sum of the week nature of how he presents
:55:14. > :55:19.himself at times. You are making political comments! Pass it over to
:55:20. > :55:23.Oz Clarke. See if the flavour matches the personality that you
:55:24. > :55:27.think of Ed Miliband. I had not thought of stiff upper lip. I
:55:28. > :55:33.thought of an upper lip that goes like this, not stiff. I want to see
:55:34. > :55:42.if there is a bit of finish to the beer or not. It is very well
:55:43. > :55:49.balanced. Are you sure this is Ed Balls beer? The bitterness in it is
:55:50. > :55:54.maybe the bitterness of a good loser. Sally Morgan, you will have
:55:55. > :56:04.something to say about that! How cruel. It refreshes you. Maybe some
:56:05. > :56:18.of Ed's remarks have refreshed. Let's go on to Diamond Geezer. This
:56:19. > :56:33.Is Nick Clegg. He Is A Happy Guy This May Sway With Who Is Winning.
:56:34. > :56:45.They are both diamond geezers. It is much rounder. Are you sure this is
:56:46. > :56:50.Nick Clegg? It is very self-confident. Nick Clegg does have
:56:51. > :56:55.an amazing ability to be self-confident. It is nice and
:56:56. > :57:02.multi. The bitterness is much less on this. Still refreshing. -- nice
:57:03. > :57:11.and malty. We will be interesting to hear where the comments go as he
:57:12. > :57:25.drinks more and more! In a macro -- this represents David Cameron. It is
:57:26. > :57:30.called the Lambeth walk. I am not sure about that. I do not think Ken
:57:31. > :57:36.Livingstone would allow David Cameron to promenade in amber unless
:57:37. > :57:41.he has a nice house in Kennington. I will come back briefly to Andrew
:57:42. > :57:48.Griffiths. Talking about beers and pubs, does it put of female voters?
:57:49. > :57:53.No, more and more women are drinking cask ale. I have enjoyed a pint of
:57:54. > :57:58.beer with David Cameron. He likes a nice ale. George Osborne was the
:57:59. > :58:05.first chancellor in history to cut beer duty twice in successive years.
:58:06. > :58:10.Well done for getting that in! Nice, chunky, London Porter,
:58:11. > :58:19.presumably able to take the weight of the country on his shoulders.
:58:20. > :58:24.Very briefly the last one. The last one is Wolf E Smith. It is for Nigel
:58:25. > :58:33.Farage. The beer it self is a amber ale. It is perhaps a bit of a
:58:34. > :58:40.dreamer this beer. I liked his paws. Go on, what do you think? This is a
:58:41. > :58:44.good dream. It is wonderfully aromatic, it is beautifully bitter.
:58:45. > :58:51.It has a citrus lime and lemon zest quality. It may be Nigel Farage's
:58:52. > :58:56.aftershave. If this is Nigel, wow. Cheers for all of you. We have just
:58:57. > :59:11.got time to find the answer to our quiz. What did Ed Miliband spend 70
:59:12. > :59:20.to ?80 in a week, was it he, groceries and a travel or mobile
:59:21. > :59:24.phone chargers. I think it is groceries. Thanks to Sally Morgan
:59:25. > :59:31.and all our guests. Andrew and I will be here at new and. -- new net
:59:32. > :59:33.tomorrow. Goodbye.