:02:34. > :02:38.is still indicating that any military
:02:39. > :02:44.The Obama administration has shown signs of frustrations with Iraq's
:02:45. > :02:47.Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki, senior Republican Senate toe John
:02:48. > :02:54.McCain has gone further, he has called on him to stand down, we are
:02:55. > :02:58.joined by a Tory MP and a Kurd by origin, whose family fled Iraq when
:02:59. > :03:03.he was nine, welcome. There was a lot of talk in PMQs that
:03:04. > :03:06.Mr Maliki has to build an inclusive Government. He has to bring more
:03:07. > :03:10.people in, and reach out. It is all too late for that. They are killing
:03:11. > :03:14.each other. I think it is right for you to be sceptical, he has had
:03:15. > :03:18.eight years to try and bring everyone together and said, instead
:03:19. > :03:23.he hasn't been divisive, sectarian, which has led to the situation we
:03:24. > :03:28.find ourselves in today, because ISIS is actually a relatively small
:03:29. > :03:35.group of extremists, terrorist criminals, but they are effectively
:03:36. > :03:42.being able to operate because some of the Sunni tribes were so fed up
:03:43. > :03:46.for being disenfranchised by Baghdad, that they got to a police
:03:47. > :03:56.where they would rather have evil people round than Nouri Al-Maliki.
:03:57. > :04:04.In Baghdad yesterday of all the political leaders. It is right for
:04:05. > :04:07.David Cameron and President Obama to say that they have too great an
:04:08. > :04:10.inclusive government. It sounds like you were talking about Islington
:04:11. > :04:15.council but you are not, it is Baghdad. It is over for that. Why
:04:16. > :04:19.would suggest that what Mr Cameron says is irrelevant. Even what Mr
:04:20. > :04:24.Obama says, it does not matter too much. The man he is worried about
:04:25. > :04:31.was President Rouhani. He is a Rand's man. -- Iran. And the site
:04:32. > :04:36.and beside him is the head of the rainy and Revolutionary guard with a
:04:37. > :08:05.couple of brigades behind him. That is what matters. I suspect that Iran
:08:06. > :08:08.does not want to see Iraq Nay have secured Kirkuk, they have secured
:08:09. > :08:13.their area, they don't need additional help. That is what he was
:08:14. > :08:17.calling for This maybe one voice. This is the official representative
:08:18. > :08:23.of the Kurdish army. My view is we mustn't take sides. It is not for
:08:24. > :08:25.us... It is up to the Iraqi political leadership to come
:08:26. > :08:31.together. They have plenty of weapon, they have bought lots of
:08:32. > :08:37.weapons. Maliki spent several billion dollars buying weapons. They
:08:38. > :08:41.are all with ISIS now If they come together, Shia, Sunni and Kurd. If
:08:42. > :08:48.they don't, then the situation could be dire. What is your view on this?
:08:49. > :09:00.My view is that the viability of Iraq as a single state, if after
:09:01. > :09:08.eight years it can't hold three elections, we reason back to the
:09:09. > :09:13.situation pre-Saddam, that in order for that state to exist to be
:09:14. > :09:17.stable, it has to have a dictatorship of the most ruthless
:09:18. > :09:23.kind. That is an extraordinarily depressing view, I must say I have
:09:24. > :09:27.very little confidence that this sort of political reconciliation
:09:28. > :09:30.will happen, I think it is very dangerous to take sides, not just
:09:31. > :09:35.because you are taking sides internally, we didn't do that for
:09:36. > :09:38.Syria, and if you are seen to do it in Iraq, it becomes hugely
:09:39. > :09:42.difficult. I think the whole Middle East, no-one is talking about
:09:43. > :10:04.Israel-Palestine at the moment. It is not the big issue. It is not. We
:10:05. > :10:07.are dealing with huge humanitarian consequences in Lebanon and that
:10:08. > :10:09.region. It's a big day for Ed Miliband,
:10:10. > :10:12.he'll be hoping to switch the focus from his poll ratings to
:10:13. > :10:14.Labour's policies. This morning he's been setting out
:10:15. > :10:18.how the party thinks it's going to solve one of
:10:19. > :10:20.its biggest challenges ahead of the election - how to offer something
:10:21. > :10:22.different from the Conservatives but Yes, Ed Miliband is continuing to
:10:23. > :10:29.lay his policy paving, smoothing his Sensitive to accusations that Labour
:10:30. > :10:47.are the party of public spending, he's keen to
:10:48. > :10:50.show he doesn't think the streets lined with gold, promising 'big
:10:51. > :10:53.changes not big spending'. To start with they'll pull up out
:10:54. > :10:56.of work benefits for 18-21 year olds, replacing it with
:10:57. > :10:59.a means-tested allowance that takes into account their parents' income -
:11:00. > :11:02.but they'll only be entitled to it Labour claim this could save
:11:03. > :11:05.the government ?65 They're also planning to add some
:11:06. > :11:08.extra slabs to the contributory principle in the benefits system -
:11:09. > :11:13.the idea that the more you put in, the more you should get out.
:11:14. > :11:17.Labour is promising to increase the contributory JSA - that's
:11:18. > :11:21.the amount people are automatically entitled to if they have been
:11:22. > :11:24.working - by around ?20-30 They'll fund this by increasing
:11:25. > :11:35.the number of years you have to work before you can claim it -
:11:36. > :11:38.from 2 to five years. Here's what he had to say
:11:39. > :11:47.about it a short while ago. How many times have I heard people
:11:48. > :11:51.say, I have paid into the system but one that time came and are really
:11:52. > :11:52.needed help, I did not get anything back.
:11:53. > :11:56.one that time came and are really needed help, I did not Rewarding
:11:57. > :12:01.contributions were, in fact, a key in support of the Beveridge report.
:12:02. > :12:07.And it is a key intuition from the British people of what a welfare
:12:08. > :12:07.state would look like. But the principle has been forgotten by
:12:08. > :12:08.governments of both parties. And we're joined now by Labour's
:12:09. > :12:10.shadow work and pensions minister Stephen Timms,
:12:11. > :12:19.and by Esther McVey, she's Welcome to both of you. We have been
:12:20. > :12:28.poring over his Apostles this morning. Why are they so, the gated?
:12:29. > :12:37.The proposals have been endorsed by Ed Miliband. Let's start with IPPR,
:12:38. > :12:41.because our viewers will not know what that is. It is a Labour
:12:42. > :12:46.inclined think tank? Yes. And they had come forward with some good
:12:47. > :12:49.prose Ozil is, about the high levels of youth unemployment. -- proposals.
:12:50. > :12:53.At the moment, unemployment was less than it was at the time of the
:12:54. > :12:57.election and youth employment is 100,000 higher than it was at the
:12:58. > :13:00.time of the election. Current policies are clearly not solving the
:13:01. > :13:09.problem. We need a new approach and I think the IPPR puzzle is a big
:13:10. > :13:11.change in the way we look after young people, keeping them in
:13:12. > :13:14.training until they have a decent level of skills. You are shaking
:13:15. > :13:19.your head. Youth unemployment is not higher than it was? That is the
:13:20. > :13:28.wrong way round. It is nearly 100,000 less than it was. It is
:13:29. > :13:44.falling consecutively. And the rates for 60 and 70... NEET rates are at
:13:45. > :13:50.the lowest since records began, the lowest since 2005. It is a reversal
:13:51. > :13:55.of what you have heard there. Youth employment is lower than at the
:13:56. > :14:01.elections. People will find that out. There is youth unemployment, we
:14:02. > :14:08.are agreed on that. Much too high. And what you were saying is that if
:14:09. > :14:15.you are between 18 and 21, you will not get your benefit if you do not
:14:16. > :14:17.take training? You will not get the allowance. You will get a youth
:14:18. > :14:24.allowance and that will be conditional on you, if you are not
:14:25. > :14:29.yet at level three, being in training. Is that a platform? It is
:14:30. > :14:35.a level or Brad Sheppard. So unless you have some qualifications
:14:36. > :14:42.already, you will not get this new welfare payment unless you are
:14:43. > :14:45.prepared to get the qualifications? But if you have these qualifications
:14:46. > :14:50.but no job, you will still get the payment? You will be on GSA. If you
:14:51. > :14:55.have those levels of skills, or you have been in work for a year, you
:14:56. > :14:58.will be on adult benefits. You will have to look at everybody to
:14:59. > :15:01.determine the level of skill before they determine whether they will get
:15:02. > :15:05.the payments? To determine what help they need in order to decide how
:15:06. > :15:12.best to operate. And then you have to means test it? We will means test
:15:13. > :15:16.as we do for younger people and as we do for people in higher education
:15:17. > :15:19.at the moment. It will be means tested on the basis of parental
:15:20. > :15:28.income. How much is that going to cost? The net cost is captivated by
:15:29. > :15:32.IPPR as a saving of ?65 million. We will be spending more on support for
:15:33. > :15:37.young people in further education but less on jobseeker's allowance.
:15:38. > :15:44.Let me get this right, if you are between 18 and 21, you are now going
:15:45. > :15:48.to have to be means tested, and you are going to have to be tested on
:15:49. > :15:52.what your qualifications are, and depending on the qualifications, you
:15:53. > :15:56.will then maybe get some money from the government if you take some
:15:57. > :16:04.training? Depending on the support you need, that will depend on the
:16:05. > :16:07.support you get. Are you saying that is not complicated? Anything can be
:16:08. > :16:12.presented as being promulgated. This is. The reality is that there will
:16:13. > :16:15.be a number of years were there will not be extra money to be spent so we
:16:16. > :16:21.have to restructure within the system. And what IPPR has come up
:16:22. > :16:24.with is a good way of doing that. A lot of this was floated last year
:16:25. > :16:35.and you run away from it. What happened to your simpler policy to
:16:36. > :16:39.young people? You said, if you cannot get a job, we will give you a
:16:40. > :16:44.job but take that job or you will lose your benefits. What happens to
:16:45. > :16:45.that? That is still in place. The job guarantee proposition, if you
:16:46. > :16:49.have been out of work for a year, job guarantee proposition, if you
:16:50. > :16:54.have been out of we will guarantee you the offer of a job and you will
:16:55. > :16:59.need to take it once the offer has been made. Why not leave it there?
:17:00. > :17:04.Cos we think we need to do more to support under 21 is to make sure
:17:05. > :17:09.they have the skills. Why not offer them a skills arrangement? Why not
:17:10. > :17:13.say, either take training or jobs, and we will guarantee you can have
:17:14. > :17:20.one or the other, or you do not get benefits? We're saying to unemployed
:17:21. > :17:26.young people, not in a job, that we will support you to get the skills
:17:27. > :17:30.you need. We will also, after 12 months out of work, there will be
:17:31. > :17:35.the offer under the compulsory job guarantee. What is the government
:17:36. > :17:37.doing for these people? Obviously, a lot, because on employment has come
:17:38. > :17:43.down. Looking at the statistics on the records from the 1960s onwards,
:17:44. > :17:48.what they have found is really important is that the UK keeps young
:17:49. > :17:52.people close to the labour market, whether it is jobseeker's
:17:53. > :17:55.allowance, or whatever, from there you determine what support they
:17:56. > :17:56.need. Is allowance, or whatever, from there
:17:57. > :17:59.you determine it a trainee ships? That is if you have not got an NVQ
:18:00. > :18:02.in maths or English. But we still have a lot of people who are
:18:03. > :18:08.unemployed. What are you doing about that? We are working with business
:18:09. > :18:12.and young individuals to see whether it is more employability skills that
:18:13. > :18:19.people need. Not everybody needs to go through an academic route. But he
:18:20. > :18:24.is not saying that either. They are. They are insisting it is an A-level
:18:25. > :18:29.standard. Or an apprenticeship. Some people need to get a job with the
:18:30. > :18:34.tactical application to see how they get career progression through that
:18:35. > :18:36.job. What we're seeing is that providing work experience is
:18:37. > :18:40.something that Labour was so profoundly against and that in
:18:41. > :18:43.itself has had a huge impact. So why do we still have 900,000 people not
:18:44. > :18:49.in education, employment or training? It has gone down to about
:18:50. > :18:50.860,000. Near enough. I've rented it up.
:18:51. > :18:52.training? It has gone down to about 860,000. Near enough. I've If you
:18:53. > :19:04.take out those in full-time education, it goes down to 560,000,
:19:05. > :19:09.so... But the NEETs does not include university students. How many of
:19:10. > :19:19.them are there? Nearly 300,000. We have to work with them, which is why
:19:20. > :19:21.we're doing a lot of pilots. How do we engage with young children who
:19:22. > :19:23.have never engaged their school career? How can we say that they
:19:24. > :19:27.will be at this level in three years? How can we engage them and
:19:28. > :19:31.give them employability skills? How can we get them up in the morning.
:19:32. > :19:37.It is such a long journey to get them employed and then, through
:19:38. > :19:40.work, you will say, I would like to learn more and have more skills. I'd
:19:41. > :19:44.get the principle. The other thing you have done to comment on this is
:19:45. > :19:50.that if you have been in work for a longer period of time, and you are
:19:51. > :20:04.made redundant or you lose your lose your job, -- lose your job, you
:20:05. > :20:06.will get a higher unemployment benefits. If somebody has worked for
:20:07. > :20:08.four years and they lose their job through no fault of their own, white
:20:09. > :20:16.should they get less unemployment benefit than someone who has worked
:20:17. > :20:19.for five years? If you have paid in for two years and lose your job, we
:20:20. > :20:24.think if you are paying in for longer you should see the benefit
:20:25. > :20:29.and the calculation... Again, you have made it complicated and I would
:20:30. > :20:34.suggest a bit unfair. I don't think it is any more complicated than the
:20:35. > :20:37.current system. What we want do is reward people who have paid in for a
:20:38. > :20:41.lengthy period o time. Fife years is a good period to go for. I would
:20:42. > :20:48.suggest that most people who this will affect will have not a clue
:20:49. > :20:53.what this means for them. I think that is, I am not sure that is true,
:20:54. > :20:57.because they will have a clue. You were going to say it was true! I
:20:58. > :21:03.don't think they will understand the complexities of it and the theory
:21:04. > :21:06.behind it and the contribution of the national insurance contribution,
:21:07. > :21:10.and all that. They will certainly understand it when they turn up to
:21:11. > :21:16.pick up a Giro to get their benefit and find they are not entitled, they
:21:17. > :21:20.will certainly understand it if they are a young person who find they get
:21:21. > :21:25.no money or they have to go on a course. What makes me slightly
:21:26. > :21:31.anxious is that a lot of these young people who are the NEETs, you are
:21:32. > :21:39.playing catch up. These people have not in school got some of the soft
:21:40. > :21:44.skills about... But teaching them soft skills when they are turned off
:21:45. > :21:49.at 17 and 18, is not a substitute for some of the preparation for life
:21:50. > :21:52.skills that our schools are not measured against and if they are not
:21:53. > :21:58.measured against doing it, then they don't deliver. I don't want to lose
:21:59. > :22:03.you both but we have to move on to, stick with us, don't go away,
:22:04. > :22:06.because I am sticking with Labour. Former Labour cab neat minister
:22:07. > :22:11.occasionally known as the prince of darkness, he is always known as the
:22:12. > :22:15.Prince of darkness Peter Mandelson was asked about Ed Miliband when he
:22:16. > :22:20.appeared on Newsnight last night. I think we could say his answer wasn't
:22:21. > :22:25.exactly helpful. What Ed is trying to do is approach politics in a
:22:26. > :22:31.different way from the way in which Tony Blair and Knowle approached it.
:22:32. > :22:38.Do you think it is working? It may well work, I would say to you. May?
:22:39. > :22:46.I think he has confused the party's message to business, I think that
:22:47. > :22:50.what he needs to do is to embrace that model of a market based
:22:51. > :22:55.economy, where we are supported business success, but where we also
:22:56. > :23:00.want to see a socially inclusive society, with principles of social
:23:01. > :23:04.justice, where we are creating opportunities for people, and
:23:05. > :23:09.leaning against inequalities in society, in everything we do. How he
:23:10. > :23:13.has muddled the message? He places a great deal of emphasis on the last
:23:14. > :23:18.of those position, the social justice, the fairness, the leaning
:23:19. > :23:23.against inequality, that is right for a Labour leader to do so.
:23:24. > :23:27.Not resoundingly supportive and when asked Lord mannedlen son didn't say
:23:28. > :23:31.whether he thought Ed Miliband was the best possible leader, merely he
:23:32. > :23:35.was the leader you have, stating obviously the truth there. Do you
:23:36. > :23:40.think he is the best possible leader the party can have? He is. I was one
:23:41. > :23:44.of the first people to nominate him as leader of the party, I do think
:23:45. > :23:48.she the best leader he could have. I think he is doing a difficult job. I
:23:49. > :23:53.agree with Peter about that. We are having to deal with and some very
:23:54. > :23:57.difficult problem, the fact the average household is ?1600 a year
:23:58. > :24:01.worse Ofcom paired with the election at a time when there isn't going to
:24:02. > :24:06.be much public money round for the next few years. If the public was
:24:07. > :24:10.convinced about that in opposition that is a message you could use to
:24:11. > :24:14.bolster your support, it seems to be working in the opposite direction,
:24:15. > :24:17.the truth is no Dott the Government will argue -- no doubt the
:24:18. > :24:23.Government will argue, Labour is struggling to get a message across
:24:24. > :24:27.that is going to appeal to voters. One message is clear is there isn't
:24:28. > :24:29.a great deal of confidence in the parties that are represented in
:24:30. > :24:31.Parliament at the moment. The Government part toirs the
:24:32. > :24:36.opposition. That sounds like an excuse We have a big job, all of us
:24:37. > :24:41.have a big job to do, the outcome of the next election will be determined
:24:42. > :24:44.by voters' judgment about who has the most compelling apps to deal
:24:45. > :24:48.with the problems like the cost of living crisis we are facing.
:24:49. > :24:52.Interestingly, the party, Labour is doing better than the leader, and
:24:53. > :24:56.has done pretty consistently. That is a problem and a shame, you might
:24:57. > :25:00.argue for the Labour Party, that you have managed to get yourselves a
:25:01. > :25:05.message as a party, but your leader is just not gaining traction. Ed is
:25:06. > :25:10.responsible for the party's me sarntion Ed has led us to this point
:25:11. > :25:17.-- message. They don't credit him with that We have a lot of work to
:25:18. > :25:23.do, I am enkaurnled by the overall poll rating but we have to do
:25:24. > :25:29.better. Today's announce it is an important part. What are his selling
:25:30. > :25:34.points? What he is doing is repositioning the party for a period
:25:35. > :25:38.when we have a time of austerity, when everybody is worse off than
:25:39. > :25:42.they were in the past. Positioning is a sort of Westminster speak, if
:25:43. > :25:46.you like, it is jar develop for u I understand what you are saying, but
:25:47. > :25:50.what are his strengths for the voting public? Name me a couple of
:25:51. > :25:54.his real strengths as leader? I think one of his strengths is
:25:55. > :25:57.correctly identifying the cost Offalying crisis as the big issue
:25:58. > :26:01.that is facing the country at the moment. I think the speech he made
:26:02. > :26:06.at the Labour Party conference talking about the need for a more
:26:07. > :26:10.responsible capitalism. That was a far sighted speech. I think his
:26:11. > :26:14.announcement about the energy price freeze which no-one else suggested
:26:15. > :26:19.was a very shrewd judgment. Those are policies. The big judgments is
:26:20. > :26:23.his big strength. And people may or may not like those policies, but
:26:24. > :26:29.what about him? If you are comparing him to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown,
:26:30. > :26:34.is he better leader than them? He is operating in a different environment
:26:35. > :26:38.from Tony Blair. If you take them in isolation as three leaders is he
:26:39. > :26:42.better? I think what Ed is very successfully doing is making sound
:26:43. > :26:46.judgments about the state of the country at the moment, and our
:26:47. > :26:51.future direction, that is what I want the leader of our party to be
:26:52. > :26:55.doing. So why do the ratings not match up? They are going down. If
:26:56. > :26:59.you look at the European elections it is clear there is a low degree of
:27:00. > :27:05.confidence in all the parties in Parliament. We want to address that.
:27:06. > :27:09.Is it still true Eden Hazard been talked about in senior Tory circles
:27:10. > :27:13.that Ed Miliband is your secret weapon in the election? At this
:27:14. > :27:17.rate, when you are giving us the polling figures that is true. Where
:27:18. > :27:22.I would look at it. I don't discuss it, I am discussing what I have to
:27:23. > :27:27.do, I could give you an example in welfare, Ed Miliband and the Labour
:27:28. > :27:31.Party has voted against every welfare change that we have done,
:27:32. > :27:35.whether it is the overall benefits cap, everything, so they didn't watt
:27:36. > :27:39.to do everything, they come up with an announcement which confuses the
:27:40. > :27:43.system and saves a tiny amount of money. If I looked at what I thought
:27:44. > :27:47.the announcement was about, it was about taking over 100,000 people off
:27:48. > :27:52.the welfare count, because you are putting them on a traineeship, so it
:27:53. > :27:55.is smoke and mirrors politics, not dealing with the situation. That is
:27:56. > :28:00.what people have thought about Ed Miliband, he, it is all smoke and
:28:01. > :28:04.mirror, you are not dealing with the core issues of the day but they will
:28:05. > :28:09.put them on a different benefit which is off the claimant count.
:28:10. > :28:15.Things obviously like energy prices, Labour did get traction with that,
:28:16. > :28:18.but hang on a second, I must... It was the worse thing they could have
:28:19. > :28:22.done, the whole of their price fell and they had to buy gas two years
:28:23. > :28:28.ahead. Disaster for them. Your views on Ed Miliband as a leader? I think
:28:29. > :28:32.he is not getting his message of his individual strengths and I do think
:28:33. > :28:39.he has some strengths. What are they? I think they are honesty, I
:28:40. > :28:44.think they are intelligence, I think he's thoughtful, and... Are your
:28:45. > :28:54.priced the poll ratings are poor? I am... Partly surprised less
:28:55. > :28:59.surprised because I somehow, he has never quite managed to be himself,
:29:00. > :29:04.and create that identity with the public. I think one of the problems,
:29:05. > :29:10.because a lot of the policy stuff is coming together and I think coming a
:29:11. > :29:17.bit more coherent. When you cut Peter Mandelson off in his prime, he
:29:18. > :29:22.was about to say it is the economic message, the, the how you create
:29:23. > :29:27.that new sort of fairness, within a zero growth economy, not a score
:29:28. > :29:32.growth, but public spending constraints. Which maybe would
:29:33. > :29:37.probably have to stick to as well. And they have never managed to shake
:29:38. > :29:42.off the unfair, I think, perception and Ed hasn't managed to do it,
:29:43. > :29:45.no-one has managed to do it that Labour was to blame for the whole of
:29:46. > :29:50.the economic crisis worldwide. Let us leave it there. Thank you. Than
:29:51. > :29:54.do you two of you. You leave us at this stage. Whatever happened to
:29:55. > :29:57.Lord's reform? You may remember it was a big deal in the first part of
:29:58. > :30:01.this Parliament until the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives had
:30:02. > :30:06.a big -- bit of a falling out. Giles has been catching up.
:30:07. > :30:10.There have been serious attempts to reform the House of Lords for as
:30:11. > :30:17.long as the oldest living peer who is 94 has been alive. Every attempt
:30:18. > :30:24.has stumbled and bowed to failure or achieved a tinkering of the ermine
:30:25. > :30:30.lined edged only. In 1997 Labour outlined with some Liberal Democrat
:30:31. > :30:35.input the removal of most of the hereditary peer, leaving the life
:30:36. > :30:39.peer, roles created in 1958, but apart from the Parliament Act of
:30:40. > :30:43.1911 and these two milestones the story of Lord's reform is one of
:30:44. > :30:47.failure and fudging. There was one man in this Parliament who thought
:30:48. > :30:53.that was a record he could break. When you bear in mind that there are
:30:54. > :30:58.four times as many members of the held who are over the age of 90 than
:30:59. > :31:04.under the age of 40. House of Lords when over half are over the age of
:31:05. > :31:09.70, you get the measure of the challenge of how much we need to
:31:10. > :31:24.pull thefrom the 19th century into the 21st century.
:31:25. > :31:27.In As we know, Nick Clegg's plan and dragged everyone involved down. The
:31:28. > :31:30.real problem with Lords reform is that it is like an obstacle course
:31:31. > :31:35.and there's a lot of obstacles. All of the parties agree they should be
:31:36. > :31:38.reformed, and they put that in their manifestoes, but they could not
:31:39. > :31:42.agree how much and what kind, and when they tried it, it did not work.
:31:43. > :31:46.Then there's the problem that some of the Lords do not agree with their
:31:47. > :31:51.own parties on reform and the Lords do not tend to vote for their own
:31:52. > :31:55.demise. Turkeys do not fold for Christmas. Add to that, you cannot
:31:56. > :31:58.prove that nobody cares but he can prove that lots of people care more
:31:59. > :32:04.about other things. And one more thing... The House of Lords question
:32:05. > :32:09.can wear people out. It is a Bermuda Triangle. Every generation, people
:32:10. > :32:15.go into it and some never reappear. They come out battered and bruised.
:32:16. > :32:17.They vowed never to do it again. Not everyone has, and for some, a fire
:32:18. > :32:20.for an elected house has not died. everyone has, and for some, a fire
:32:21. > :32:23.for an elected house has It is just the biggest offenders of the Lords
:32:24. > :32:28.tend to be Lords. If you get my drift. This is one turkey that I
:32:29. > :32:32.want you to know will be voting for Christmas at every possible
:32:33. > :32:35.opportunity. One Lord thinks the big opportunity is the public replacing
:32:36. > :32:40.the house. Perhaps suggesting amendments online or citizens juries
:32:41. > :32:45.looking at proposed legislation. The end of the road is that we will be
:32:46. > :32:54.able to abolish the House of Lords altogether and replace it with those
:32:55. > :32:58.sorts of legislative improvements by the public, to use the public's
:32:59. > :33:01.expertise and experience rather than a bunch of people like me who get
:33:02. > :33:06.appointed for life, which is indefensible. The House of Commons
:33:07. > :33:12.voted with clarity about the principle that it should be elected.
:33:13. > :33:15.Now the difficulty is the detail. Ask somebody from Parliament, a
:33:16. > :33:19.parliamentarian in the Commons or in the Lords, and everyone has a
:33:20. > :33:24.different opinion about the detail. That is the tricky bit. But there is
:33:25. > :33:28.more than that that is tricky. The Lords has a utilitarian purpose,
:33:29. > :33:32.analysing legislation line by line. It contains people of white
:33:33. > :33:36.expertise and no particular burning tribal loyalty. Yes, many of them
:33:37. > :33:44.are old and there are hundreds of them, and all the parties keep
:33:45. > :33:49.adding more, but one the -- 1p says he can give reasons for why it will
:33:50. > :33:57.stay put. It is a unreformable, aside from the Grand Slam, and it
:33:58. > :34:02.fulfils a utilitarian function. And it adds to, I think, the panache of
:34:03. > :34:09.the British constitution. And the tourists love it. Who could want
:34:10. > :34:12.more? The tourists love it? I will talk to my guests in a moment but
:34:13. > :34:24.I'm going to welcome viewers in Scotland, who have been watching
:34:25. > :34:28.first ministers questions. We are joined by one of the UKIP peers, who
:34:29. > :34:33.used to be the party's leader. Is it unreformable? I do not think it is
:34:34. > :34:38.unreformable. I think it is and probably should be unelectable.
:34:39. > :34:47.Because there is this conflation between reform and election. I think
:34:48. > :34:53.that every time you have proposals for an elected house, and Nick Clegg
:34:54. > :34:56.was on that clip saying it was because everyone was old and had to
:34:57. > :35:02.be thrown out, there are ways of dealing with old people which are
:35:03. > :35:08.different from saying that we should have a bicameral system with two
:35:09. > :35:14.elected houses. Because two elected houses in the UK, I think, would not
:35:15. > :35:20.add to the quality of government, but caused terrible gridlock.
:35:21. > :35:24.Malcolm Pearson, that is the will of the House of Commons, to have some
:35:25. > :35:28.sort of elected chamber. When you come down to it, it is not, because
:35:29. > :35:36.the House of Commons, in the end, does not want a second chamber which
:35:37. > :35:44.is more powerful, undermining the present sovereignty of the House of
:35:45. > :35:51.Commons. I feel that growing public disdain for the political class is
:35:52. > :35:56.not caused by the House of Lords, so much as by the feeling that their
:35:57. > :36:03.votes does not really count any more. And that comes, in part, from
:36:04. > :36:08.our present system, first past the post, where only 60% of the
:36:09. > :36:12.electorate bothered to vote and only 40% of those elect the government.
:36:13. > :36:17.The government on the day is on 24%. I would start at the other end. This
:36:18. > :36:21.is not UKIP policy, and we do not have a policy on this as far as I
:36:22. > :36:25.know. I would start at the other end with the House of Commons. In fact,
:36:26. > :36:33.if you read a debate that UKIP had in the Lords, lead by Lord
:36:34. > :36:40.Willoughby, we suggested that the House of Commons should be reduced
:36:41. > :36:45.only to matters of truly national interest. You not think the House of
:36:46. > :36:49.Lords should be reduced? All the rest should be local with more
:36:50. > :36:54.referendums. You not think the House of Lords should be smaller? It has
:36:55. > :36:59.been stuffed full of party people. All the parties are doing it. The
:37:00. > :37:04.Lib Dems have 98 and they will put more in. That is hardly going to
:37:05. > :37:07.engage people with the process. And going back to your original
:37:08. > :37:15.question, can you reform the house two act sullenly. -- can you reform
:37:16. > :37:20.the house? Absolutely. But no one will agree how. Well, small steps.
:37:21. > :37:23.We got a Private Members' Bill through. There is an agenda for
:37:24. > :37:28.change about reducing the size of the house, having a retirement age.
:37:29. > :37:33.But it is getting bigger. It is not the government's agenda for change.
:37:34. > :37:37.Within the house itself... And cutting out those who misbehave?
:37:38. > :37:42.Yes. Why have a Private Members' Bill to do just that. Let's talk
:37:43. > :37:48.about representation. Three UKIP peers, is that enough? Know,
:37:49. > :37:53.obviously. Why do you deserve more? Since he became Prime Minister,
:37:54. > :37:59.David Cameron has put in 160 peers. Why does UKIP deserve more? At the
:38:00. > :38:05.moment, we have three. And you had to 3.2% of the vote. The policy of
:38:06. > :38:09.David Cameron and David Clegg -- Nick Clegg to make appointments to
:38:10. > :38:14.the Lords, reflecting the votes cast that the previous general election,
:38:15. > :38:17.was clearly idiotic. One of the strengths of the House of Lords is
:38:18. > :38:23.that it does not reflect the composition of the House of Commons.
:38:24. > :38:29.Even so... Does UKIP deserve that? Absolutely agree with Malcolm. It
:38:30. > :38:37.was idiotic. It would have meant that we had BNP members, 16 members
:38:38. > :38:43.of the BNP in the House of Lords... If they hadn't commented the
:38:44. > :38:51.coalition agreement. It was barking. Keep asking questions, to which
:38:52. > :38:58.parties that contested the last general election though the rules
:38:59. > :39:02.apply? I think it is important that the House of Lords is not a mini me
:39:03. > :39:08.of the House of Commons, reflecting the political balance. Very quickly,
:39:09. > :39:13.because we're running out of time. We got 27% of the vote in the NASA
:39:14. > :39:23.national -- last national elections. We have 0.0% of the amount in the
:39:24. > :39:28.Lords. I have friends who say they fought UKIP. I think David Cameron
:39:29. > :39:37.should join us. Who? Give you extra time. No names. Am I surprised? Is
:39:38. > :39:40.that what that look says. Speaking of barking... What makes
:39:41. > :39:43.for a good MP? A local man or woman, born and
:39:44. > :39:46.bred who knows the name of every Or a bright young thing, hand-picked
:39:47. > :39:50.by the party high command and Well, research published yesterday
:39:51. > :39:53.showed more and more candidates have links to
:39:54. > :39:55.Westminster, leading to familiar warnings that all MPs will end up
:39:56. > :40:02.looking and sounding the same. At most elections, there's
:40:03. > :40:05.a competition to shrug off that image and demonstrate
:40:06. > :40:08.your local credentials. Have a look at this poor candidate
:40:09. > :40:15.doing his best in last year's And the man
:40:16. > :40:25.being given a hard time by our Adam Do you know which favourites soap
:40:26. > :40:30.opera was filmed in this constituency? I do not know. I know
:40:31. > :40:34.that Ernie, the fastest Notman of the West was set here. Benny Hill is
:40:35. > :40:38.from Eastleigh. That is me being a politician and avoiding the
:40:39. > :40:45.question. I'm very proud of that. Howard is way. It was filmed in
:40:46. > :40:49.Camberwell. As you say, it is not typical of here. Good information.
:40:50. > :40:53.Thank you. Which soap opera character nowadays do you think you
:40:54. > :41:00.are most like? As a person? Think I am probably... Bet Lynch in
:41:01. > :41:06.Coronation Street. Behind the pub, serving pints. The ordinary people
:41:07. > :41:10.of Eastleigh. Is that a good? That is rubbish. Don't use that. And we
:41:11. > :41:13.would never dream of using it. And the man
:41:14. > :41:18.being given a hard time by our Adam there was John O'Farrell, the author
:41:19. > :41:28.and former Labour candidate. Was it a disadvantage not having
:41:29. > :41:35.local roots in that by-election? It was. I had a three-week campaign. It
:41:36. > :41:38.was a very difficult time. The public forum, they would ask me
:41:39. > :41:43.about the gravel pits and it might have been a trick question. Daihatsu
:41:44. > :41:48.sometimes try and make up policy on the hoof. He would have some Labour
:41:49. > :41:54.want Pazzini a phone message and saying that they were against the
:41:55. > :41:59.gravel pits. And they had a local councillor who knew the schools and
:42:00. > :42:02.the area well, and that counts for something. They played up that they
:42:03. > :42:05.were the local guy and you were parachuted in from the big smoke.
:42:06. > :42:13.Yes, indeed, although I was selected by the local party and was a local
:42:14. > :42:16.candidate against me. I've stood in my hometown against the reason me
:42:17. > :42:22.and that has stood as a parachuted in candidate. And in the first one,
:42:23. > :42:27.I came third and in the second I came fourth. As a scientific
:42:28. > :42:30.experiment... It must've been an easier campaign in Maidenhead. When
:42:31. > :42:33.people ask you about the nonexistent gravel pit, you could tell them that
:42:34. > :42:38.did not have one. Also, I did not get lost going around in the car.
:42:39. > :42:42.And you bump into people you used to know and you end up canvassing the
:42:43. > :42:47.school bully. Is he going to give me a dead leg for being tall? But you
:42:48. > :42:51.were different from the people that are chosen because there is a
:42:52. > :42:54.identikit now from both parties. They have usually come from
:42:55. > :43:01.Oxbridge, straight into a think tank like the IPPR commodity policy
:43:02. > :43:06.exchange, and they become a special adviser and then a seat is chosen
:43:07. > :43:10.for them, and they begin to sound and look, and almost say the same
:43:11. > :43:15.things as well. This is a problem. We have too many identikit
:43:16. > :43:18.politicians. But when you say a seat is chosen, it is a local parties
:43:19. > :43:23.that have a responsibility to say, actually, these candidates may not
:43:24. > :43:28.look like my idea of an MP. This is true in the Conservative Party were
:43:29. > :43:32.lots of women will choose a man, and think it is encouraging that the
:43:33. > :43:37.Labour Party has a majority of candidates, but I think and take
:43:38. > :43:40.your point, but having people from different jobs, and if you wanted a
:43:41. > :43:44.local person, why not a headteacher, for example, who knows
:43:45. > :43:49.the community? But they will be taking a pay cut to become an MP.
:43:50. > :43:54.Would you try again? I do not think that will try again for an
:43:55. > :43:59.unwinnable seat because I have done that and they do not think you want
:44:00. > :44:03.to be an MP. You would not like it? Part of me would, but I'm quite
:44:04. > :44:07.enjoying being a writer and coming on to talk to you with no
:44:08. > :44:10.responsible 80s. You do not have a microchip in your brain!
:44:11. > :44:17.Do you think you would have told of the party line? I have been told ill
:44:18. > :44:24.-- I have been called a loose but loyal Canon. I would like the Labour
:44:25. > :44:28.Party to win the next will not stand, to be honest. Maybe the
:44:29. > :44:32.constituencies should dig in their heels and resist those at the Labour
:44:33. > :44:41.high command and Tory Central office are trying to impose? Often, they
:44:42. > :44:44.can send signals. They can, and they can speak to the Labour Party and
:44:45. > :44:48.union leaders, and encourage them to vote for particular candidates. We
:44:49. > :44:52.want candidates who have a certain amount of Bruce Buck, and our
:44:53. > :44:57.hard-working. That is more important than where they live, or who they
:44:58. > :45:01.work for. I think I would like to get a good spread of candidates, but
:45:02. > :45:04.really we want good politicians improving the image of politicians
:45:05. > :45:15.in this country. You worried about the kind of singing this -- sameness
:45:16. > :45:18.of the younger generation? The nickname of, and that cannot even
:45:19. > :45:25.remember his real name, the Tory who won in Newark, we call Tim Mr
:45:26. > :45:34.generic because he seemed, he seemed like a generic Tory candidate.
:45:35. > :45:38.Knowing what you are talking about is tremendously important, and that
:45:39. > :45:42.is something being something other than politics, now, I am not in a
:45:43. > :45:49.good place to talk about this, because I was elected very very
:45:50. > :45:53.young, but I was temperature first constituency I fought was Enoch
:45:54. > :46:04.Powell's constituency, it was lovely because my dads was a dentist. -- my
:46:05. > :46:07.dad was a dentist. But there, because Enoch Powell was such a
:46:08. > :46:12.figure and the Labour Party had hopeless sort of organise,
:46:13. > :46:17.organisation, I was chose bane woman member of the GMC told me, who we
:46:18. > :46:22.need is a gimmick. And you were the gimmick. I was a 22-year-old
:46:23. > :46:27.gimmick. On that shock news, we have to move on. Thank you, thanks John.
:46:28. > :46:31.It is the news Westminster has been waiting for for day, forget Iraq,
:46:32. > :46:35.the economy, what politicians and hacks really wanted to know was who
:46:36. > :46:38.was going to be the new chairman of the Health Select Committee? After a
:46:39. > :46:41.knife-edge vote the winner was announced yesterday in what can only
:46:42. > :46:46.be described as a moment of high drama. In years to come people will
:46:47. > :46:52.say I was there. This is how events unfolded.
:46:53. > :46:58.Dr Sarah wall stop was elected -- Wollaston was elected chair with 226
:46:59. > :47:06.votes. The other candidate in that round was Dr Philip Lee, who
:47:07. > :47:11.received 195 votes. The NHS touches people's lives a million times every
:47:12. > :47:14.36 hours. It is the most extraordinary achievement and the
:47:15. > :47:18.most extraordinary challenge, the new Chief Executive of NHS England
:47:19. > :47:23.has called on everyone within the NHS to think like a patient, and act
:47:24. > :47:28.like a taxpayer. I think that the role of the Select Committee is to
:47:29. > :47:34.ask those challenging questions, on behalf of patients and taxpayer's,
:47:35. > :47:37.so this most cherished institution can continue to be there for all of
:47:38. > :47:45.our constituents when they need it the most and thank you. --
:47:46. > :47:49.taxpayers. I know as she the knowledge and the wisdom to be a
:47:50. > :47:55.very good chair of the Health Select Committee and I wish her all the
:47:56. > :47:58.very best. Gracious in defeat there Philip Lee and Sarah Wollaston join
:47:59. > :48:03.us now, you are delighted Absolutely delighted. Are you spoken to Jeremy
:48:04. > :48:09.Hunt? Yes he sent me a nice text, that was kind of him. Rumour as you
:48:10. > :48:13.will know of people saying to backbench Conservatives don't vote
:48:14. > :48:17.for Sarah, she is too much of a Maverick, too independent minds,
:48:18. > :48:21.what do you say to that? What I hope to bring to this, I have had 24
:48:22. > :48:25.years front line expense and I hope to be able to bring that experience
:48:26. > :48:30.to the committee. My view is you have no business chairing any Select
:48:31. > :48:34.Committee unless you are prepared to ask challenging question, in a
:48:35. > :48:38.constructive way. But your pitch was you will be independent minded, you
:48:39. > :48:42.won't be in the pocket of the Government, of the day, or the
:48:43. > :48:45.medical profession. I am proud to be a Conservative. I make no bones
:48:46. > :48:49.about that, the point is when you are in a Select Committee role, I
:48:50. > :48:55.think that you should leave your tribal party politics behind because
:48:56. > :49:00.you are there to do a job on behalf of patients and taxpayers, you are
:49:01. > :49:04.holding health bodies to account. NHS England, the GMC, the regulators
:49:05. > :49:08.and understanding how the system work, having worked within it, I
:49:09. > :49:11.think gives you an advantage because you understand when people are not
:49:12. > :49:16.being straight with you apart from anything else. Did you get a lot of
:49:17. > :49:21.support from Labour MPs? I had support from across the house. I was
:49:22. > :49:24.ahead in all the rounds, so I think it, it wasn't as naive edge as
:49:25. > :49:30.perhaps it might be portrayed. It adds to the drama, you have been
:49:31. > :49:35.very critical at times of the government's health policy and the
:49:36. > :49:38.reforms and the Andrew Lansley reform, that is true isn't it? It
:49:39. > :49:43.was constructive criticism, part of the initial outing of the bill and
:49:44. > :49:48.make no bones about it, I had some concern, but you are not doing orjob
:49:49. > :49:53.if you don't bring the concerns forward. I think the bill was better
:49:54. > :49:59.after the pause to listen. Unless you express those concerns you are
:50:00. > :50:04.not doing your job properly. You said someone had tossed a grenade
:50:05. > :50:07.That was a miscoat. You obviously felt it wasn't the right way
:50:08. > :50:13.certainly to go about reforming the NHS in terms of those reforms and
:50:14. > :50:18.the upheaval. My view was that you can reorganise it, the NHS has been
:50:19. > :50:22.reorganised so many time, when I used to teach, I gave up teaching
:50:23. > :50:28.them the struckchur of the NHS because I knew it would have changed
:50:29. > :50:32.by the time they qualified. Any major reorganisation risks if you
:50:33. > :50:37.take your eye off the ball, there are many aspects to the reform I
:50:38. > :50:40.welcome, I felt some of its aims could have been achieved in other
:50:41. > :50:44.way, and it was my role, I think, to put some of those points forward. I
:50:45. > :50:47.hope I put them forward in a constructive way, that would be the
:50:48. > :50:54.way I think you should tackle these things. Do you welcome this
:50:55. > :50:59.appointment, sorry election? Like her, you know to be elected as the
:51:00. > :51:04.Speaker you couldn't do it on party vote. It is very, it gives you a
:51:05. > :51:09.strength and authority, having been elected as she was and she is a
:51:10. > :51:12.perfect example of what we were talking about before, which is
:51:13. > :51:15.someone who has got a solid career behind them and brings that to
:51:16. > :51:20.Parliament and works from that expertise. Let us look at the
:51:21. > :51:23.current state of the Health Service, particularly about funding. How
:51:24. > :51:28.worried are you about all the reports relating to the current
:51:29. > :51:31.funding gap within the NHS, ?2 billion is the figure put round?
:51:32. > :51:35.This is something the committee has been looking at. We are in our fifth
:51:36. > :51:38.year of near flat funding of the NHS. That would be the case whoever
:51:39. > :51:42.was in power. I remember the challenge being set out before I
:51:43. > :51:47.entered Parliament, so this is a long running issue, we spent nearly
:51:48. > :51:52.?110 billion on health but what we must be clear about is we get the
:51:53. > :51:58.best value and address things like safety agenda, how we get the
:51:59. > :52:03.structural changes... What the committee has found up to now is
:52:04. > :52:06.that a lot of those have been been achieved through wage restraint, and
:52:07. > :52:10.they haven't been sufficiently achieved with the sort of major
:52:11. > :52:14.shift we need have in more prevention work in the NHS and have
:52:15. > :52:18.people treated closer to home so they don't need to be in hospital in
:52:19. > :52:23.the fist place. That will take a long time, that is the way I am sure
:52:24. > :52:28.politics argue, but that will take time, how would you deal with the
:52:29. > :52:31.funding gap now? That heavy lifting hasn't been done. One of the jobs
:52:32. > :52:35.for the is Select Committee is holding those institutions to
:52:36. > :52:43.account, saying how are we making them happen? You may have heard of
:52:44. > :52:48.the Better Care fund, a shift into primary care and through social, how
:52:49. > :52:51.we get care in the community, but unless we see that money putting in
:52:52. > :52:55.place changes that people people don't have to go into hospital in
:52:56. > :53:00.the first place, the system will be under enormous pressure. Should the
:53:01. > :53:05.health budget be ring-fenced again? We spend about 9.4% of GDP on
:53:06. > :53:10.health. Whoever is in power we are unlikely to see that significantly
:53:11. > :53:14.change. What I would like to see is more ring-fencing within social care
:53:15. > :53:19.budget, because what happens there has knock on effects on the Health
:53:20. > :53:23.Service. Thank you. Right we are getting news of a
:53:24. > :53:30.security alert in Westminster. A device has been found in the main
:53:31. > :53:35.visitor centre, in Westminster Hall, near Westminster Hall the oldest
:53:36. > :53:39.part of Parliament. Going back to medieval times with the beautiful
:53:40. > :53:43.wooden ceiling there, MPs sit there as well as in the Commons chamber,
:53:44. > :53:47.parts of the Westminster, the Palace of Westminster are being cleared,
:53:48. > :53:52.the police are saying this is not a drill, this is real, but we don't
:53:53. > :53:56.know whether that device is of importance or not. It is disrupting
:53:57. > :54:02.things at the moment, we will keep you across that. Now, Mr Paxman has
:54:03. > :54:07.left Newsnight and we are only on for a mere six hours a day, six days
:54:08. > :54:13.a week, many politicians feel they don't have enough tough questions at
:54:14. > :54:18.them, come on in. They are resorting to go in radio phone in shows so the
:54:19. > :54:21.public can bombard them with questions on housing to whether they
:54:22. > :54:28.have a onesie, Boris Johnson and Nick Clegg have their regular slots
:54:29. > :54:33.on radio now Harriet Harman said she will have a go. We will talk to her
:54:34. > :54:36.in a moment. That security alert allowing, it will have to be on the
:54:37. > :54:46.phone. Let us look at how the politicians have got on so far.
:54:47. > :54:50.It is Boris here from Islington, I want to ask you, when are you going
:54:51. > :54:58.to get all those Government ministers out of their OK Olympo-s
:54:59. > :55:04.and on to public transport. -- limos. He is not on the line. No, he
:55:05. > :55:08.recorded it earlier. We want the opportunity to express a point of
:55:09. > :55:14.view on behalf... I am grateful for that Bob. There is a table to be sat
:55:15. > :55:19.round, by you and your team. We can't do it while you put a gun to
:55:20. > :55:25.our head. When did you last buy underwear from
:55:26. > :55:30.marks and Spencers because they have posted poor trading figures as you
:55:31. > :55:36.may be aware. The trouble with Twitter the instantness of it is, I
:55:37. > :55:41.think, too many twits might make a (BLEEP).
:55:42. > :55:46.You said I forgot my anniversary and I ask you to hold that thought. We
:55:47. > :55:51.have had a special cake and I must thank the Cake Store based in
:55:52. > :55:58.Sydenham. The first time you appeared the final question was do
:55:59. > :56:01.you own a onesie, you replied yes. This is to celebrate our first, you
:56:02. > :56:08.will wish we never started this. There you are in your onesie, and I
:56:09. > :56:12.wonder if I could ask you to cut the cake. Can Nick Clegg eat a bacon
:56:13. > :56:22.sandwich and how will it work on the radio? One bite. I will try. Very
:56:23. > :56:26.good! Didn't his mother tell him never to
:56:27. > :56:30.speak but mouth full. We had hoped to be joined by Harriet Harman who
:56:31. > :56:34.was going to the third of our national politicians to get their
:56:35. > :56:37.own radio show but she has been detained in the Palace of
:56:38. > :56:44.Westminster because of that security alert, so, it is down to you to talk
:56:45. > :56:47.about this! Would you like to have your own radio show? I am not sure I
:56:48. > :56:50.would like to have it now, because you are on television as well,
:56:51. > :56:56.because everyone can watch you and see you. It is all done on
:56:57. > :57:02.webcameras I used to love doing radio, because you couldn't be seen,
:57:03. > :57:08.you got more time to talk, a little more length about things and even
:57:09. > :57:12.when I was a minister and you had to do the Today programme at 7.30 in
:57:13. > :57:18.the morning, it could be a dressing gown in the radio car job. You can't
:57:19. > :57:25.do it on in sort of stuff now. Why do you think they want to do it? Why
:57:26. > :57:29.do they think... ? I think partly they want to cut out the middle man.
:57:30. > :57:36.They do. That is why we are against it Absolutely, I can see that. We
:57:37. > :57:44.are Luddites when it comes to this I can see that. Back to Ed Miliband
:57:45. > :57:49.and the sort of press that he gets. But equally, to have, to be able to
:57:50. > :57:56.connect directly with individuals, which you can do on a phone in, I
:57:57. > :58:01.think is sort of gold dust, it is high risk, because you can get it
:58:02. > :58:09.very wrong. You get asked questions like have you got a onesie, what is
:58:10. > :58:14.the answer? Me? ! God forbid! All right. Let us. I like you selected
:58:15. > :58:18.that one from the list of questions. The other was can you eat a bacon
:58:19. > :58:23.sandwich? That is it for today. Our thanks to our guest, the one clock
:58:24. > :58:32.news is starting on BBC One now, but listen carefully, I am back tonight
:58:33. > :58:42.for This Week with Michael Portillo, Diane Abbott and guests, and the
:58:43. > :58:47.star of The Killing. Maybe she will wear one of her famous jumpers. This
:58:48. > :58:52.is the bit we are not on BBC One because of something happening in
:58:53. > :58:54.Brazil. We are on BBC Two after Newsnight.
:58:55. > :58:57.See you then. Goodbye.