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:02:34. > :02:38.is still indicating that any military

:02:39. > :02:44.The Obama administration has shown signs of frustrations with Iraq's

:02:45. > :02:47.Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki, senior Republican Senate toe John

:02:48. > :02:54.McCain has gone further, he has called on him to stand down, we are

:02:55. > :02:58.joined by a Tory MP and a Kurd by origin, whose family fled Iraq when

:02:59. > :03:03.he was nine, welcome. There was a lot of talk in PMQs that

:03:04. > :03:06.Mr Maliki has to build an inclusive Government. He has to bring more

:03:07. > :03:10.people in, and reach out. It is all too late for that. They are killing

:03:11. > :03:14.each other. I think it is right for you to be sceptical, he has had

:03:15. > :03:18.eight years to try and bring everyone together and said, instead

:03:19. > :03:23.he hasn't been divisive, sectarian, which has led to the situation we

:03:24. > :03:28.find ourselves in today, because ISIS is actually a relatively small

:03:29. > :03:35.group of extremists, terrorist criminals, but they are effectively

:03:36. > :03:42.being able to operate because some of the Sunni tribes were so fed up

:03:43. > :03:46.for being disenfranchised by Baghdad, that they got to a police

:03:47. > :03:56.where they would rather have evil people round than Nouri Al-Maliki.

:03:57. > :04:04.In Baghdad yesterday of all the political leaders. It is right for

:04:05. > :04:07.David Cameron and President Obama to say that they have too great an

:04:08. > :04:10.inclusive government. It sounds like you were talking about Islington

:04:11. > :04:15.council but you are not, it is Baghdad. It is over for that. Why

:04:16. > :04:19.would suggest that what Mr Cameron says is irrelevant. Even what Mr

:04:20. > :04:24.Obama says, it does not matter too much. The man he is worried about

:04:25. > :04:31.was President Rouhani. He is a Rand's man. -- Iran. And the site

:04:32. > :04:36.and beside him is the head of the rainy and Revolutionary guard with a

:04:37. > :08:05.couple of brigades behind him. That is what matters. I suspect that Iran

:08:06. > :08:08.does not want to see Iraq Nay have secured Kirkuk, they have secured

:08:09. > :08:13.their area, they don't need additional help. That is what he was

:08:14. > :08:17.calling for This maybe one voice. This is the official representative

:08:18. > :08:23.of the Kurdish army. My view is we mustn't take sides. It is not for

:08:24. > :08:25.us... It is up to the Iraqi political leadership to come

:08:26. > :08:31.together. They have plenty of weapon, they have bought lots of

:08:32. > :08:37.weapons. Maliki spent several billion dollars buying weapons. They

:08:38. > :08:41.are all with ISIS now If they come together, Shia, Sunni and Kurd. If

:08:42. > :08:48.they don't, then the situation could be dire. What is your view on this?

:08:49. > :09:00.My view is that the viability of Iraq as a single state, if after

:09:01. > :09:08.eight years it can't hold three elections, we reason back to the

:09:09. > :09:13.situation pre-Saddam, that in order for that state to exist to be

:09:14. > :09:17.stable, it has to have a dictatorship of the most ruthless

:09:18. > :09:23.kind. That is an extraordinarily depressing view, I must say I have

:09:24. > :09:27.very little confidence that this sort of political reconciliation

:09:28. > :09:30.will happen, I think it is very dangerous to take sides, not just

:09:31. > :09:35.because you are taking sides internally, we didn't do that for

:09:36. > :09:38.Syria, and if you are seen to do it in Iraq, it becomes hugely

:09:39. > :09:42.difficult. I think the whole Middle East, no-one is talking about

:09:43. > :10:04.Israel-Palestine at the moment. It is not the big issue. It is not. We

:10:05. > :10:07.are dealing with huge humanitarian consequences in Lebanon and that

:10:08. > :10:09.region. It's a big day for Ed Miliband,

:10:10. > :10:12.he'll be hoping to switch the focus from his poll ratings to

:10:13. > :10:14.Labour's policies. This morning he's been setting out

:10:15. > :10:18.how the party thinks it's going to solve one of

:10:19. > :10:20.its biggest challenges ahead of the election - how to offer something

:10:21. > :10:22.different from the Conservatives but Yes, Ed Miliband is continuing to

:10:23. > :10:29.lay his policy paving, smoothing his Sensitive to accusations that Labour

:10:30. > :10:47.are the party of public spending, he's keen to

:10:48. > :10:50.show he doesn't think the streets lined with gold, promising 'big

:10:51. > :10:53.changes not big spending'. To start with they'll pull up out

:10:54. > :10:56.of work benefits for 18-21 year olds, replacing it with

:10:57. > :10:59.a means-tested allowance that takes into account their parents' income -

:11:00. > :11:02.but they'll only be entitled to it Labour claim this could save

:11:03. > :11:05.the government ?65 They're also planning to add some

:11:06. > :11:08.extra slabs to the contributory principle in the benefits system -

:11:09. > :11:13.the idea that the more you put in, the more you should get out.

:11:14. > :11:17.Labour is promising to increase the contributory JSA - that's

:11:18. > :11:21.the amount people are automatically entitled to if they have been

:11:22. > :11:24.working - by around ?20-30 They'll fund this by increasing

:11:25. > :11:35.the number of years you have to work before you can claim it -

:11:36. > :11:38.from 2 to five years. Here's what he had to say

:11:39. > :11:47.about it a short while ago. How many times have I heard people

:11:48. > :11:51.say, I have paid into the system but one that time came and are really

:11:52. > :11:52.needed help, I did not get anything back.

:11:53. > :11:56.one that time came and are really needed help, I did not Rewarding

:11:57. > :12:01.contributions were, in fact, a key in support of the Beveridge report.

:12:02. > :12:07.And it is a key intuition from the British people of what a welfare

:12:08. > :12:07.state would look like. But the principle has been forgotten by

:12:08. > :12:08.governments of both parties. And we're joined now by Labour's

:12:09. > :12:10.shadow work and pensions minister Stephen Timms,

:12:11. > :12:19.and by Esther McVey, she's Welcome to both of you. We have been

:12:20. > :12:28.poring over his Apostles this morning. Why are they so, the gated?

:12:29. > :12:37.The proposals have been endorsed by Ed Miliband. Let's start with IPPR,

:12:38. > :12:41.because our viewers will not know what that is. It is a Labour

:12:42. > :12:46.inclined think tank? Yes. And they had come forward with some good

:12:47. > :12:49.prose Ozil is, about the high levels of youth unemployment. -- proposals.

:12:50. > :12:53.At the moment, unemployment was less than it was at the time of the

:12:54. > :12:57.election and youth employment is 100,000 higher than it was at the

:12:58. > :13:00.time of the election. Current policies are clearly not solving the

:13:01. > :13:09.problem. We need a new approach and I think the IPPR puzzle is a big

:13:10. > :13:11.change in the way we look after young people, keeping them in

:13:12. > :13:14.training until they have a decent level of skills. You are shaking

:13:15. > :13:19.your head. Youth unemployment is not higher than it was? That is the

:13:20. > :13:28.wrong way round. It is nearly 100,000 less than it was. It is

:13:29. > :13:44.falling consecutively. And the rates for 60 and 70... NEET rates are at

:13:45. > :13:50.the lowest since records began, the lowest since 2005. It is a reversal

:13:51. > :13:55.of what you have heard there. Youth employment is lower than at the

:13:56. > :14:01.elections. People will find that out. There is youth unemployment, we

:14:02. > :14:08.are agreed on that. Much too high. And what you were saying is that if

:14:09. > :14:15.you are between 18 and 21, you will not get your benefit if you do not

:14:16. > :14:17.take training? You will not get the allowance. You will get a youth

:14:18. > :14:24.allowance and that will be conditional on you, if you are not

:14:25. > :14:29.yet at level three, being in training. Is that a platform? It is

:14:30. > :14:35.a level or Brad Sheppard. So unless you have some qualifications

:14:36. > :14:42.already, you will not get this new welfare payment unless you are

:14:43. > :14:45.prepared to get the qualifications? But if you have these qualifications

:14:46. > :14:50.but no job, you will still get the payment? You will be on GSA. If you

:14:51. > :14:55.have those levels of skills, or you have been in work for a year, you

:14:56. > :14:58.will be on adult benefits. You will have to look at everybody to

:14:59. > :15:01.determine the level of skill before they determine whether they will get

:15:02. > :15:05.the payments? To determine what help they need in order to decide how

:15:06. > :15:12.best to operate. And then you have to means test it? We will means test

:15:13. > :15:16.as we do for younger people and as we do for people in higher education

:15:17. > :15:19.at the moment. It will be means tested on the basis of parental

:15:20. > :15:28.income. How much is that going to cost? The net cost is captivated by

:15:29. > :15:32.IPPR as a saving of ?65 million. We will be spending more on support for

:15:33. > :15:37.young people in further education but less on jobseeker's allowance.

:15:38. > :15:44.Let me get this right, if you are between 18 and 21, you are now going

:15:45. > :15:48.to have to be means tested, and you are going to have to be tested on

:15:49. > :15:52.what your qualifications are, and depending on the qualifications, you

:15:53. > :15:56.will then maybe get some money from the government if you take some

:15:57. > :16:04.training? Depending on the support you need, that will depend on the

:16:05. > :16:07.support you get. Are you saying that is not complicated? Anything can be

:16:08. > :16:12.presented as being promulgated. This is. The reality is that there will

:16:13. > :16:15.be a number of years were there will not be extra money to be spent so we

:16:16. > :16:21.have to restructure within the system. And what IPPR has come up

:16:22. > :16:24.with is a good way of doing that. A lot of this was floated last year

:16:25. > :16:35.and you run away from it. What happened to your simpler policy to

:16:36. > :16:39.young people? You said, if you cannot get a job, we will give you a

:16:40. > :16:44.job but take that job or you will lose your benefits. What happens to

:16:45. > :16:45.that? That is still in place. The job guarantee proposition, if you

:16:46. > :16:49.have been out of work for a year, job guarantee proposition, if you

:16:50. > :16:54.have been out of we will guarantee you the offer of a job and you will

:16:55. > :16:59.need to take it once the offer has been made. Why not leave it there?

:17:00. > :17:04.Cos we think we need to do more to support under 21 is to make sure

:17:05. > :17:09.they have the skills. Why not offer them a skills arrangement? Why not

:17:10. > :17:13.say, either take training or jobs, and we will guarantee you can have

:17:14. > :17:20.one or the other, or you do not get benefits? We're saying to unemployed

:17:21. > :17:26.young people, not in a job, that we will support you to get the skills

:17:27. > :17:30.you need. We will also, after 12 months out of work, there will be

:17:31. > :17:35.the offer under the compulsory job guarantee. What is the government

:17:36. > :17:37.doing for these people? Obviously, a lot, because on employment has come

:17:38. > :17:43.down. Looking at the statistics on the records from the 1960s onwards,

:17:44. > :17:48.what they have found is really important is that the UK keeps young

:17:49. > :17:52.people close to the labour market, whether it is jobseeker's

:17:53. > :17:55.allowance, or whatever, from there you determine what support they

:17:56. > :17:56.need. Is allowance, or whatever, from there

:17:57. > :17:59.you determine it a trainee ships? That is if you have not got an NVQ

:18:00. > :18:02.in maths or English. But we still have a lot of people who are

:18:03. > :18:08.unemployed. What are you doing about that? We are working with business

:18:09. > :18:12.and young individuals to see whether it is more employability skills that

:18:13. > :18:19.people need. Not everybody needs to go through an academic route. But he

:18:20. > :18:24.is not saying that either. They are. They are insisting it is an A-level

:18:25. > :18:29.standard. Or an apprenticeship. Some people need to get a job with the

:18:30. > :18:34.tactical application to see how they get career progression through that

:18:35. > :18:36.job. What we're seeing is that providing work experience is

:18:37. > :18:40.something that Labour was so profoundly against and that in

:18:41. > :18:43.itself has had a huge impact. So why do we still have 900,000 people not

:18:44. > :18:49.in education, employment or training? It has gone down to about

:18:50. > :18:50.860,000. Near enough. I've rented it up.

:18:51. > :18:52.training? It has gone down to about 860,000. Near enough. I've If you

:18:53. > :19:04.take out those in full-time education, it goes down to 560,000,

:19:05. > :19:09.so... But the NEETs does not include university students. How many of

:19:10. > :19:19.them are there? Nearly 300,000. We have to work with them, which is why

:19:20. > :19:21.we're doing a lot of pilots. How do we engage with young children who

:19:22. > :19:23.have never engaged their school career? How can we say that they

:19:24. > :19:27.will be at this level in three years? How can we engage them and

:19:28. > :19:31.give them employability skills? How can we get them up in the morning.

:19:32. > :19:37.It is such a long journey to get them employed and then, through

:19:38. > :19:40.work, you will say, I would like to learn more and have more skills. I'd

:19:41. > :19:44.get the principle. The other thing you have done to comment on this is

:19:45. > :19:50.that if you have been in work for a longer period of time, and you are

:19:51. > :20:04.made redundant or you lose your lose your job, -- lose your job, you

:20:05. > :20:06.will get a higher unemployment benefits. If somebody has worked for

:20:07. > :20:08.four years and they lose their job through no fault of their own, white

:20:09. > :20:16.should they get less unemployment benefit than someone who has worked

:20:17. > :20:19.for five years? If you have paid in for two years and lose your job, we

:20:20. > :20:24.think if you are paying in for longer you should see the benefit

:20:25. > :20:29.and the calculation... Again, you have made it complicated and I would

:20:30. > :20:34.suggest a bit unfair. I don't think it is any more complicated than the

:20:35. > :20:37.current system. What we want do is reward people who have paid in for a

:20:38. > :20:41.lengthy period o time. Fife years is a good period to go for. I would

:20:42. > :20:48.suggest that most people who this will affect will have not a clue

:20:49. > :20:53.what this means for them. I think that is, I am not sure that is true,

:20:54. > :20:57.because they will have a clue. You were going to say it was true! I

:20:58. > :21:03.don't think they will understand the complexities of it and the theory

:21:04. > :21:06.behind it and the contribution of the national insurance contribution,

:21:07. > :21:10.and all that. They will certainly understand it when they turn up to

:21:11. > :21:16.pick up a Giro to get their benefit and find they are not entitled, they

:21:17. > :21:20.will certainly understand it if they are a young person who find they get

:21:21. > :21:25.no money or they have to go on a course. What makes me slightly

:21:26. > :21:31.anxious is that a lot of these young people who are the NEETs, you are

:21:32. > :21:39.playing catch up. These people have not in school got some of the soft

:21:40. > :21:44.skills about... But teaching them soft skills when they are turned off

:21:45. > :21:49.at 17 and 18, is not a substitute for some of the preparation for life

:21:50. > :21:52.skills that our schools are not measured against and if they are not

:21:53. > :21:58.measured against doing it, then they don't deliver. I don't want to lose

:21:59. > :22:03.you both but we have to move on to, stick with us, don't go away,

:22:04. > :22:06.because I am sticking with Labour. Former Labour cab neat minister

:22:07. > :22:11.occasionally known as the prince of darkness, he is always known as the

:22:12. > :22:15.Prince of darkness Peter Mandelson was asked about Ed Miliband when he

:22:16. > :22:20.appeared on Newsnight last night. I think we could say his answer wasn't

:22:21. > :22:25.exactly helpful. What Ed is trying to do is approach politics in a

:22:26. > :22:31.different way from the way in which Tony Blair and Knowle approached it.

:22:32. > :22:38.Do you think it is working? It may well work, I would say to you. May?

:22:39. > :22:46.I think he has confused the party's message to business, I think that

:22:47. > :22:50.what he needs to do is to embrace that model of a market based

:22:51. > :22:55.economy, where we are supported business success, but where we also

:22:56. > :23:00.want to see a socially inclusive society, with principles of social

:23:01. > :23:04.justice, where we are creating opportunities for people, and

:23:05. > :23:09.leaning against inequalities in society, in everything we do. How he

:23:10. > :23:13.has muddled the message? He places a great deal of emphasis on the last

:23:14. > :23:18.of those position, the social justice, the fairness, the leaning

:23:19. > :23:23.against inequality, that is right for a Labour leader to do so.

:23:24. > :23:27.Not resoundingly supportive and when asked Lord mannedlen son didn't say

:23:28. > :23:31.whether he thought Ed Miliband was the best possible leader, merely he

:23:32. > :23:35.was the leader you have, stating obviously the truth there. Do you

:23:36. > :23:40.think he is the best possible leader the party can have? He is. I was one

:23:41. > :23:44.of the first people to nominate him as leader of the party, I do think

:23:45. > :23:48.she the best leader he could have. I think he is doing a difficult job. I

:23:49. > :23:53.agree with Peter about that. We are having to deal with and some very

:23:54. > :23:57.difficult problem, the fact the average household is ?1600 a year

:23:58. > :24:01.worse Ofcom paired with the election at a time when there isn't going to

:24:02. > :24:06.be much public money round for the next few years. If the public was

:24:07. > :24:10.convinced about that in opposition that is a message you could use to

:24:11. > :24:14.bolster your support, it seems to be working in the opposite direction,

:24:15. > :24:17.the truth is no Dott the Government will argue -- no doubt the

:24:18. > :24:23.Government will argue, Labour is struggling to get a message across

:24:24. > :24:27.that is going to appeal to voters. One message is clear is there isn't

:24:28. > :24:29.a great deal of confidence in the parties that are represented in

:24:30. > :24:31.Parliament at the moment. The Government part toirs the

:24:32. > :24:36.opposition. That sounds like an excuse We have a big job, all of us

:24:37. > :24:41.have a big job to do, the outcome of the next election will be determined

:24:42. > :24:44.by voters' judgment about who has the most compelling apps to deal

:24:45. > :24:48.with the problems like the cost of living crisis we are facing.

:24:49. > :24:52.Interestingly, the party, Labour is doing better than the leader, and

:24:53. > :24:56.has done pretty consistently. That is a problem and a shame, you might

:24:57. > :25:00.argue for the Labour Party, that you have managed to get yourselves a

:25:01. > :25:05.message as a party, but your leader is just not gaining traction. Ed is

:25:06. > :25:10.responsible for the party's me sarntion Ed has led us to this point

:25:11. > :25:17.-- message. They don't credit him with that We have a lot of work to

:25:18. > :25:23.do, I am enkaurnled by the overall poll rating but we have to do

:25:24. > :25:29.better. Today's announce it is an important part. What are his selling

:25:30. > :25:34.points? What he is doing is repositioning the party for a period

:25:35. > :25:38.when we have a time of austerity, when everybody is worse off than

:25:39. > :25:42.they were in the past. Positioning is a sort of Westminster speak, if

:25:43. > :25:46.you like, it is jar develop for u I understand what you are saying, but

:25:47. > :25:50.what are his strengths for the voting public? Name me a couple of

:25:51. > :25:54.his real strengths as leader? I think one of his strengths is

:25:55. > :25:57.correctly identifying the cost Offalying crisis as the big issue

:25:58. > :26:01.that is facing the country at the moment. I think the speech he made

:26:02. > :26:06.at the Labour Party conference talking about the need for a more

:26:07. > :26:10.responsible capitalism. That was a far sighted speech. I think his

:26:11. > :26:14.announcement about the energy price freeze which no-one else suggested

:26:15. > :26:19.was a very shrewd judgment. Those are policies. The big judgments is

:26:20. > :26:23.his big strength. And people may or may not like those policies, but

:26:24. > :26:29.what about him? If you are comparing him to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown,

:26:30. > :26:34.is he better leader than them? He is operating in a different environment

:26:35. > :26:38.from Tony Blair. If you take them in isolation as three leaders is he

:26:39. > :26:42.better? I think what Ed is very successfully doing is making sound

:26:43. > :26:46.judgments about the state of the country at the moment, and our

:26:47. > :26:51.future direction, that is what I want the leader of our party to be

:26:52. > :26:55.doing. So why do the ratings not match up? They are going down. If

:26:56. > :26:59.you look at the European elections it is clear there is a low degree of

:27:00. > :27:05.confidence in all the parties in Parliament. We want to address that.

:27:06. > :27:09.Is it still true Eden Hazard been talked about in senior Tory circles

:27:10. > :27:13.that Ed Miliband is your secret weapon in the election? At this

:27:14. > :27:17.rate, when you are giving us the polling figures that is true. Where

:27:18. > :27:22.I would look at it. I don't discuss it, I am discussing what I have to

:27:23. > :27:27.do, I could give you an example in welfare, Ed Miliband and the Labour

:27:28. > :27:31.Party has voted against every welfare change that we have done,

:27:32. > :27:35.whether it is the overall benefits cap, everything, so they didn't watt

:27:36. > :27:39.to do everything, they come up with an announcement which confuses the

:27:40. > :27:43.system and saves a tiny amount of money. If I looked at what I thought

:27:44. > :27:47.the announcement was about, it was about taking over 100,000 people off

:27:48. > :27:52.the welfare count, because you are putting them on a traineeship, so it

:27:53. > :27:55.is smoke and mirrors politics, not dealing with the situation. That is

:27:56. > :28:00.what people have thought about Ed Miliband, he, it is all smoke and

:28:01. > :28:04.mirror, you are not dealing with the core issues of the day but they will

:28:05. > :28:09.put them on a different benefit which is off the claimant count.

:28:10. > :28:15.Things obviously like energy prices, Labour did get traction with that,

:28:16. > :28:18.but hang on a second, I must... It was the worse thing they could have

:28:19. > :28:22.done, the whole of their price fell and they had to buy gas two years

:28:23. > :28:28.ahead. Disaster for them. Your views on Ed Miliband as a leader? I think

:28:29. > :28:32.he is not getting his message of his individual strengths and I do think

:28:33. > :28:39.he has some strengths. What are they? I think they are honesty, I

:28:40. > :28:44.think they are intelligence, I think he's thoughtful, and... Are your

:28:45. > :28:54.priced the poll ratings are poor? I am... Partly surprised less

:28:55. > :28:59.surprised because I somehow, he has never quite managed to be himself,

:29:00. > :29:04.and create that identity with the public. I think one of the problems,

:29:05. > :29:10.because a lot of the policy stuff is coming together and I think coming a

:29:11. > :29:17.bit more coherent. When you cut Peter Mandelson off in his prime, he

:29:18. > :29:22.was about to say it is the economic message, the, the how you create

:29:23. > :29:27.that new sort of fairness, within a zero growth economy, not a score

:29:28. > :29:32.growth, but public spending constraints. Which maybe would

:29:33. > :29:37.probably have to stick to as well. And they have never managed to shake

:29:38. > :29:42.off the unfair, I think, perception and Ed hasn't managed to do it,

:29:43. > :29:45.no-one has managed to do it that Labour was to blame for the whole of

:29:46. > :29:50.the economic crisis worldwide. Let us leave it there. Thank you. Than

:29:51. > :29:54.do you two of you. You leave us at this stage. Whatever happened to

:29:55. > :29:57.Lord's reform? You may remember it was a big deal in the first part of

:29:58. > :30:01.this Parliament until the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives had

:30:02. > :30:06.a big -- bit of a falling out. Giles has been catching up.

:30:07. > :30:10.There have been serious attempts to reform the House of Lords for as

:30:11. > :30:17.long as the oldest living peer who is 94 has been alive. Every attempt

:30:18. > :30:24.has stumbled and bowed to failure or achieved a tinkering of the ermine

:30:25. > :30:30.lined edged only. In 1997 Labour outlined with some Liberal Democrat

:30:31. > :30:35.input the removal of most of the hereditary peer, leaving the life

:30:36. > :30:39.peer, roles created in 1958, but apart from the Parliament Act of

:30:40. > :30:43.1911 and these two milestones the story of Lord's reform is one of

:30:44. > :30:47.failure and fudging. There was one man in this Parliament who thought

:30:48. > :30:53.that was a record he could break. When you bear in mind that there are

:30:54. > :30:58.four times as many members of the held who are over the age of 90 than

:30:59. > :31:04.under the age of 40. House of Lords when over half are over the age of

:31:05. > :31:09.70, you get the measure of the challenge of how much we need to

:31:10. > :31:24.pull thefrom the 19th century into the 21st century.

:31:25. > :31:27.In As we know, Nick Clegg's plan and dragged everyone involved down. The

:31:28. > :31:30.real problem with Lords reform is that it is like an obstacle course

:31:31. > :31:35.and there's a lot of obstacles. All of the parties agree they should be

:31:36. > :31:38.reformed, and they put that in their manifestoes, but they could not

:31:39. > :31:42.agree how much and what kind, and when they tried it, it did not work.

:31:43. > :31:46.Then there's the problem that some of the Lords do not agree with their

:31:47. > :31:51.own parties on reform and the Lords do not tend to vote for their own

:31:52. > :31:55.demise. Turkeys do not fold for Christmas. Add to that, you cannot

:31:56. > :31:58.prove that nobody cares but he can prove that lots of people care more

:31:59. > :32:04.about other things. And one more thing... The House of Lords question

:32:05. > :32:09.can wear people out. It is a Bermuda Triangle. Every generation, people

:32:10. > :32:15.go into it and some never reappear. They come out battered and bruised.

:32:16. > :32:17.They vowed never to do it again. Not everyone has, and for some, a fire

:32:18. > :32:20.for an elected house has not died. everyone has, and for some, a fire

:32:21. > :32:23.for an elected house has It is just the biggest offenders of the Lords

:32:24. > :32:28.tend to be Lords. If you get my drift. This is one turkey that I

:32:29. > :32:32.want you to know will be voting for Christmas at every possible

:32:33. > :32:35.opportunity. One Lord thinks the big opportunity is the public replacing

:32:36. > :32:40.the house. Perhaps suggesting amendments online or citizens juries

:32:41. > :32:45.looking at proposed legislation. The end of the road is that we will be

:32:46. > :32:54.able to abolish the House of Lords altogether and replace it with those

:32:55. > :32:58.sorts of legislative improvements by the public, to use the public's

:32:59. > :33:01.expertise and experience rather than a bunch of people like me who get

:33:02. > :33:06.appointed for life, which is indefensible. The House of Commons

:33:07. > :33:12.voted with clarity about the principle that it should be elected.

:33:13. > :33:15.Now the difficulty is the detail. Ask somebody from Parliament, a

:33:16. > :33:19.parliamentarian in the Commons or in the Lords, and everyone has a

:33:20. > :33:24.different opinion about the detail. That is the tricky bit. But there is

:33:25. > :33:28.more than that that is tricky. The Lords has a utilitarian purpose,

:33:29. > :33:32.analysing legislation line by line. It contains people of white

:33:33. > :33:36.expertise and no particular burning tribal loyalty. Yes, many of them

:33:37. > :33:44.are old and there are hundreds of them, and all the parties keep

:33:45. > :33:49.adding more, but one the -- 1p says he can give reasons for why it will

:33:50. > :33:57.stay put. It is a unreformable, aside from the Grand Slam, and it

:33:58. > :34:02.fulfils a utilitarian function. And it adds to, I think, the panache of

:34:03. > :34:09.the British constitution. And the tourists love it. Who could want

:34:10. > :34:12.more? The tourists love it? I will talk to my guests in a moment but

:34:13. > :34:24.I'm going to welcome viewers in Scotland, who have been watching

:34:25. > :34:28.first ministers questions. We are joined by one of the UKIP peers, who

:34:29. > :34:33.used to be the party's leader. Is it unreformable? I do not think it is

:34:34. > :34:38.unreformable. I think it is and probably should be unelectable.

:34:39. > :34:47.Because there is this conflation between reform and election. I think

:34:48. > :34:53.that every time you have proposals for an elected house, and Nick Clegg

:34:54. > :34:56.was on that clip saying it was because everyone was old and had to

:34:57. > :35:02.be thrown out, there are ways of dealing with old people which are

:35:03. > :35:08.different from saying that we should have a bicameral system with two

:35:09. > :35:14.elected houses. Because two elected houses in the UK, I think, would not

:35:15. > :35:20.add to the quality of government, but caused terrible gridlock.

:35:21. > :35:24.Malcolm Pearson, that is the will of the House of Commons, to have some

:35:25. > :35:28.sort of elected chamber. When you come down to it, it is not, because

:35:29. > :35:36.the House of Commons, in the end, does not want a second chamber which

:35:37. > :35:44.is more powerful, undermining the present sovereignty of the House of

:35:45. > :35:51.Commons. I feel that growing public disdain for the political class is

:35:52. > :35:56.not caused by the House of Lords, so much as by the feeling that their

:35:57. > :36:03.votes does not really count any more. And that comes, in part, from

:36:04. > :36:08.our present system, first past the post, where only 60% of the

:36:09. > :36:12.electorate bothered to vote and only 40% of those elect the government.

:36:13. > :36:17.The government on the day is on 24%. I would start at the other end. This

:36:18. > :36:21.is not UKIP policy, and we do not have a policy on this as far as I

:36:22. > :36:25.know. I would start at the other end with the House of Commons. In fact,

:36:26. > :36:33.if you read a debate that UKIP had in the Lords, lead by Lord

:36:34. > :36:40.Willoughby, we suggested that the House of Commons should be reduced

:36:41. > :36:45.only to matters of truly national interest. You not think the House of

:36:46. > :36:49.Lords should be reduced? All the rest should be local with more

:36:50. > :36:54.referendums. You not think the House of Lords should be smaller? It has

:36:55. > :36:59.been stuffed full of party people. All the parties are doing it. The

:37:00. > :37:04.Lib Dems have 98 and they will put more in. That is hardly going to

:37:05. > :37:07.engage people with the process. And going back to your original

:37:08. > :37:15.question, can you reform the house two act sullenly. -- can you reform

:37:16. > :37:20.the house? Absolutely. But no one will agree how. Well, small steps.

:37:21. > :37:23.We got a Private Members' Bill through. There is an agenda for

:37:24. > :37:28.change about reducing the size of the house, having a retirement age.

:37:29. > :37:33.But it is getting bigger. It is not the government's agenda for change.

:37:34. > :37:37.Within the house itself... And cutting out those who misbehave?

:37:38. > :37:42.Yes. Why have a Private Members' Bill to do just that. Let's talk

:37:43. > :37:48.about representation. Three UKIP peers, is that enough? Know,

:37:49. > :37:53.obviously. Why do you deserve more? Since he became Prime Minister,

:37:54. > :37:59.David Cameron has put in 160 peers. Why does UKIP deserve more? At the

:38:00. > :38:05.moment, we have three. And you had to 3.2% of the vote. The policy of

:38:06. > :38:09.David Cameron and David Clegg -- Nick Clegg to make appointments to

:38:10. > :38:14.the Lords, reflecting the votes cast that the previous general election,

:38:15. > :38:17.was clearly idiotic. One of the strengths of the House of Lords is

:38:18. > :38:23.that it does not reflect the composition of the House of Commons.

:38:24. > :38:29.Even so... Does UKIP deserve that? Absolutely agree with Malcolm. It

:38:30. > :38:37.was idiotic. It would have meant that we had BNP members, 16 members

:38:38. > :38:43.of the BNP in the House of Lords... If they hadn't commented the

:38:44. > :38:51.coalition agreement. It was barking. Keep asking questions, to which

:38:52. > :38:58.parties that contested the last general election though the rules

:38:59. > :39:02.apply? I think it is important that the House of Lords is not a mini me

:39:03. > :39:08.of the House of Commons, reflecting the political balance. Very quickly,

:39:09. > :39:13.because we're running out of time. We got 27% of the vote in the NASA

:39:14. > :39:23.national -- last national elections. We have 0.0% of the amount in the

:39:24. > :39:28.Lords. I have friends who say they fought UKIP. I think David Cameron

:39:29. > :39:37.should join us. Who? Give you extra time. No names. Am I surprised? Is

:39:38. > :39:40.that what that look says. Speaking of barking... What makes

:39:41. > :39:43.for a good MP? A local man or woman, born and

:39:44. > :39:46.bred who knows the name of every Or a bright young thing, hand-picked

:39:47. > :39:50.by the party high command and Well, research published yesterday

:39:51. > :39:53.showed more and more candidates have links to

:39:54. > :39:55.Westminster, leading to familiar warnings that all MPs will end up

:39:56. > :40:02.looking and sounding the same. At most elections, there's

:40:03. > :40:05.a competition to shrug off that image and demonstrate

:40:06. > :40:08.your local credentials. Have a look at this poor candidate

:40:09. > :40:15.doing his best in last year's And the man

:40:16. > :40:25.being given a hard time by our Adam Do you know which favourites soap

:40:26. > :40:30.opera was filmed in this constituency? I do not know. I know

:40:31. > :40:34.that Ernie, the fastest Notman of the West was set here. Benny Hill is

:40:35. > :40:38.from Eastleigh. That is me being a politician and avoiding the

:40:39. > :40:45.question. I'm very proud of that. Howard is way. It was filmed in

:40:46. > :40:49.Camberwell. As you say, it is not typical of here. Good information.

:40:50. > :40:53.Thank you. Which soap opera character nowadays do you think you

:40:54. > :41:00.are most like? As a person? Think I am probably... Bet Lynch in

:41:01. > :41:06.Coronation Street. Behind the pub, serving pints. The ordinary people

:41:07. > :41:10.of Eastleigh. Is that a good? That is rubbish. Don't use that. And we

:41:11. > :41:13.would never dream of using it. And the man

:41:14. > :41:18.being given a hard time by our Adam there was John O'Farrell, the author

:41:19. > :41:28.and former Labour candidate. Was it a disadvantage not having

:41:29. > :41:35.local roots in that by-election? It was. I had a three-week campaign. It

:41:36. > :41:38.was a very difficult time. The public forum, they would ask me

:41:39. > :41:43.about the gravel pits and it might have been a trick question. Daihatsu

:41:44. > :41:48.sometimes try and make up policy on the hoof. He would have some Labour

:41:49. > :41:54.want Pazzini a phone message and saying that they were against the

:41:55. > :41:59.gravel pits. And they had a local councillor who knew the schools and

:42:00. > :42:02.the area well, and that counts for something. They played up that they

:42:03. > :42:05.were the local guy and you were parachuted in from the big smoke.

:42:06. > :42:13.Yes, indeed, although I was selected by the local party and was a local

:42:14. > :42:16.candidate against me. I've stood in my hometown against the reason me

:42:17. > :42:22.and that has stood as a parachuted in candidate. And in the first one,

:42:23. > :42:27.I came third and in the second I came fourth. As a scientific

:42:28. > :42:30.experiment... It must've been an easier campaign in Maidenhead. When

:42:31. > :42:33.people ask you about the nonexistent gravel pit, you could tell them that

:42:34. > :42:38.did not have one. Also, I did not get lost going around in the car.

:42:39. > :42:42.And you bump into people you used to know and you end up canvassing the

:42:43. > :42:47.school bully. Is he going to give me a dead leg for being tall? But you

:42:48. > :42:51.were different from the people that are chosen because there is a

:42:52. > :42:54.identikit now from both parties. They have usually come from

:42:55. > :43:01.Oxbridge, straight into a think tank like the IPPR commodity policy

:43:02. > :43:06.exchange, and they become a special adviser and then a seat is chosen

:43:07. > :43:10.for them, and they begin to sound and look, and almost say the same

:43:11. > :43:15.things as well. This is a problem. We have too many identikit

:43:16. > :43:18.politicians. But when you say a seat is chosen, it is a local parties

:43:19. > :43:23.that have a responsibility to say, actually, these candidates may not

:43:24. > :43:28.look like my idea of an MP. This is true in the Conservative Party were

:43:29. > :43:32.lots of women will choose a man, and think it is encouraging that the

:43:33. > :43:37.Labour Party has a majority of candidates, but I think and take

:43:38. > :43:40.your point, but having people from different jobs, and if you wanted a

:43:41. > :43:44.local person, why not a headteacher, for example, who knows

:43:45. > :43:49.the community? But they will be taking a pay cut to become an MP.

:43:50. > :43:54.Would you try again? I do not think that will try again for an

:43:55. > :43:59.unwinnable seat because I have done that and they do not think you want

:44:00. > :44:03.to be an MP. You would not like it? Part of me would, but I'm quite

:44:04. > :44:07.enjoying being a writer and coming on to talk to you with no

:44:08. > :44:10.responsible 80s. You do not have a microchip in your brain!

:44:11. > :44:17.Do you think you would have told of the party line? I have been told ill

:44:18. > :44:24.-- I have been called a loose but loyal Canon. I would like the Labour

:44:25. > :44:28.Party to win the next will not stand, to be honest. Maybe the

:44:29. > :44:32.constituencies should dig in their heels and resist those at the Labour

:44:33. > :44:41.high command and Tory Central office are trying to impose? Often, they

:44:42. > :44:44.can send signals. They can, and they can speak to the Labour Party and

:44:45. > :44:48.union leaders, and encourage them to vote for particular candidates. We

:44:49. > :44:52.want candidates who have a certain amount of Bruce Buck, and our

:44:53. > :44:57.hard-working. That is more important than where they live, or who they

:44:58. > :45:01.work for. I think I would like to get a good spread of candidates, but

:45:02. > :45:04.really we want good politicians improving the image of politicians

:45:05. > :45:15.in this country. You worried about the kind of singing this -- sameness

:45:16. > :45:18.of the younger generation? The nickname of, and that cannot even

:45:19. > :45:25.remember his real name, the Tory who won in Newark, we call Tim Mr

:45:26. > :45:34.generic because he seemed, he seemed like a generic Tory candidate.

:45:35. > :45:38.Knowing what you are talking about is tremendously important, and that

:45:39. > :45:42.is something being something other than politics, now, I am not in a

:45:43. > :45:49.good place to talk about this, because I was elected very very

:45:50. > :45:53.young, but I was temperature first constituency I fought was Enoch

:45:54. > :46:04.Powell's constituency, it was lovely because my dads was a dentist. -- my

:46:05. > :46:07.dad was a dentist. But there, because Enoch Powell was such a

:46:08. > :46:12.figure and the Labour Party had hopeless sort of organise,

:46:13. > :46:17.organisation, I was chose bane woman member of the GMC told me, who we

:46:18. > :46:22.need is a gimmick. And you were the gimmick. I was a 22-year-old

:46:23. > :46:27.gimmick. On that shock news, we have to move on. Thank you, thanks John.

:46:28. > :46:31.It is the news Westminster has been waiting for for day, forget Iraq,

:46:32. > :46:35.the economy, what politicians and hacks really wanted to know was who

:46:36. > :46:38.was going to be the new chairman of the Health Select Committee? After a

:46:39. > :46:41.knife-edge vote the winner was announced yesterday in what can only

:46:42. > :46:46.be described as a moment of high drama. In years to come people will

:46:47. > :46:52.say I was there. This is how events unfolded.

:46:53. > :46:58.Dr Sarah wall stop was elected -- Wollaston was elected chair with 226

:46:59. > :47:06.votes. The other candidate in that round was Dr Philip Lee, who

:47:07. > :47:11.received 195 votes. The NHS touches people's lives a million times every

:47:12. > :47:14.36 hours. It is the most extraordinary achievement and the

:47:15. > :47:18.most extraordinary challenge, the new Chief Executive of NHS England

:47:19. > :47:23.has called on everyone within the NHS to think like a patient, and act

:47:24. > :47:28.like a taxpayer. I think that the role of the Select Committee is to

:47:29. > :47:34.ask those challenging questions, on behalf of patients and taxpayer's,

:47:35. > :47:37.so this most cherished institution can continue to be there for all of

:47:38. > :47:45.our constituents when they need it the most and thank you. --

:47:46. > :47:49.taxpayers. I know as she the knowledge and the wisdom to be a

:47:50. > :47:55.very good chair of the Health Select Committee and I wish her all the

:47:56. > :47:58.very best. Gracious in defeat there Philip Lee and Sarah Wollaston join

:47:59. > :48:03.us now, you are delighted Absolutely delighted. Are you spoken to Jeremy

:48:04. > :48:09.Hunt? Yes he sent me a nice text, that was kind of him. Rumour as you

:48:10. > :48:13.will know of people saying to backbench Conservatives don't vote

:48:14. > :48:17.for Sarah, she is too much of a Maverick, too independent minds,

:48:18. > :48:21.what do you say to that? What I hope to bring to this, I have had 24

:48:22. > :48:25.years front line expense and I hope to be able to bring that experience

:48:26. > :48:30.to the committee. My view is you have no business chairing any Select

:48:31. > :48:34.Committee unless you are prepared to ask challenging question, in a

:48:35. > :48:38.constructive way. But your pitch was you will be independent minded, you

:48:39. > :48:42.won't be in the pocket of the Government, of the day, or the

:48:43. > :48:45.medical profession. I am proud to be a Conservative. I make no bones

:48:46. > :48:49.about that, the point is when you are in a Select Committee role, I

:48:50. > :48:55.think that you should leave your tribal party politics behind because

:48:56. > :49:00.you are there to do a job on behalf of patients and taxpayers, you are

:49:01. > :49:04.holding health bodies to account. NHS England, the GMC, the regulators

:49:05. > :49:08.and understanding how the system work, having worked within it, I

:49:09. > :49:11.think gives you an advantage because you understand when people are not

:49:12. > :49:16.being straight with you apart from anything else. Did you get a lot of

:49:17. > :49:21.support from Labour MPs? I had support from across the house. I was

:49:22. > :49:24.ahead in all the rounds, so I think it, it wasn't as naive edge as

:49:25. > :49:30.perhaps it might be portrayed. It adds to the drama, you have been

:49:31. > :49:35.very critical at times of the government's health policy and the

:49:36. > :49:38.reforms and the Andrew Lansley reform, that is true isn't it? It

:49:39. > :49:43.was constructive criticism, part of the initial outing of the bill and

:49:44. > :49:48.make no bones about it, I had some concern, but you are not doing orjob

:49:49. > :49:53.if you don't bring the concerns forward. I think the bill was better

:49:54. > :49:59.after the pause to listen. Unless you express those concerns you are

:50:00. > :50:04.not doing your job properly. You said someone had tossed a grenade

:50:05. > :50:07.That was a miscoat. You obviously felt it wasn't the right way

:50:08. > :50:13.certainly to go about reforming the NHS in terms of those reforms and

:50:14. > :50:18.the upheaval. My view was that you can reorganise it, the NHS has been

:50:19. > :50:22.reorganised so many time, when I used to teach, I gave up teaching

:50:23. > :50:28.them the struckchur of the NHS because I knew it would have changed

:50:29. > :50:32.by the time they qualified. Any major reorganisation risks if you

:50:33. > :50:37.take your eye off the ball, there are many aspects to the reform I

:50:38. > :50:40.welcome, I felt some of its aims could have been achieved in other

:50:41. > :50:44.way, and it was my role, I think, to put some of those points forward. I

:50:45. > :50:47.hope I put them forward in a constructive way, that would be the

:50:48. > :50:54.way I think you should tackle these things. Do you welcome this

:50:55. > :50:59.appointment, sorry election? Like her, you know to be elected as the

:51:00. > :51:04.Speaker you couldn't do it on party vote. It is very, it gives you a

:51:05. > :51:09.strength and authority, having been elected as she was and she is a

:51:10. > :51:12.perfect example of what we were talking about before, which is

:51:13. > :51:15.someone who has got a solid career behind them and brings that to

:51:16. > :51:20.Parliament and works from that expertise. Let us look at the

:51:21. > :51:23.current state of the Health Service, particularly about funding. How

:51:24. > :51:28.worried are you about all the reports relating to the current

:51:29. > :51:31.funding gap within the NHS, ?2 billion is the figure put round?

:51:32. > :51:35.This is something the committee has been looking at. We are in our fifth

:51:36. > :51:38.year of near flat funding of the NHS. That would be the case whoever

:51:39. > :51:42.was in power. I remember the challenge being set out before I

:51:43. > :51:47.entered Parliament, so this is a long running issue, we spent nearly

:51:48. > :51:52.?110 billion on health but what we must be clear about is we get the

:51:53. > :51:58.best value and address things like safety agenda, how we get the

:51:59. > :52:03.structural changes... What the committee has found up to now is

:52:04. > :52:06.that a lot of those have been been achieved through wage restraint, and

:52:07. > :52:10.they haven't been sufficiently achieved with the sort of major

:52:11. > :52:14.shift we need have in more prevention work in the NHS and have

:52:15. > :52:18.people treated closer to home so they don't need to be in hospital in

:52:19. > :52:23.the fist place. That will take a long time, that is the way I am sure

:52:24. > :52:28.politics argue, but that will take time, how would you deal with the

:52:29. > :52:31.funding gap now? That heavy lifting hasn't been done. One of the jobs

:52:32. > :52:35.for the is Select Committee is holding those institutions to

:52:36. > :52:43.account, saying how are we making them happen? You may have heard of

:52:44. > :52:48.the Better Care fund, a shift into primary care and through social, how

:52:49. > :52:51.we get care in the community, but unless we see that money putting in

:52:52. > :52:55.place changes that people people don't have to go into hospital in

:52:56. > :53:00.the first place, the system will be under enormous pressure. Should the

:53:01. > :53:05.health budget be ring-fenced again? We spend about 9.4% of GDP on

:53:06. > :53:10.health. Whoever is in power we are unlikely to see that significantly

:53:11. > :53:14.change. What I would like to see is more ring-fencing within social care

:53:15. > :53:19.budget, because what happens there has knock on effects on the Health

:53:20. > :53:23.Service. Thank you. Right we are getting news of a

:53:24. > :53:30.security alert in Westminster. A device has been found in the main

:53:31. > :53:35.visitor centre, in Westminster Hall, near Westminster Hall the oldest

:53:36. > :53:39.part of Parliament. Going back to medieval times with the beautiful

:53:40. > :53:43.wooden ceiling there, MPs sit there as well as in the Commons chamber,

:53:44. > :53:47.parts of the Westminster, the Palace of Westminster are being cleared,

:53:48. > :53:52.the police are saying this is not a drill, this is real, but we don't

:53:53. > :53:56.know whether that device is of importance or not. It is disrupting

:53:57. > :54:02.things at the moment, we will keep you across that. Now, Mr Paxman has

:54:03. > :54:07.left Newsnight and we are only on for a mere six hours a day, six days

:54:08. > :54:13.a week, many politicians feel they don't have enough tough questions at

:54:14. > :54:18.them, come on in. They are resorting to go in radio phone in shows so the

:54:19. > :54:21.public can bombard them with questions on housing to whether they

:54:22. > :54:28.have a onesie, Boris Johnson and Nick Clegg have their regular slots

:54:29. > :54:33.on radio now Harriet Harman said she will have a go. We will talk to her

:54:34. > :54:36.in a moment. That security alert allowing, it will have to be on the

:54:37. > :54:46.phone. Let us look at how the politicians have got on so far.

:54:47. > :54:50.It is Boris here from Islington, I want to ask you, when are you going

:54:51. > :54:58.to get all those Government ministers out of their OK Olympo-s

:54:59. > :55:04.and on to public transport. -- limos. He is not on the line. No, he

:55:05. > :55:08.recorded it earlier. We want the opportunity to express a point of

:55:09. > :55:14.view on behalf... I am grateful for that Bob. There is a table to be sat

:55:15. > :55:19.round, by you and your team. We can't do it while you put a gun to

:55:20. > :55:25.our head. When did you last buy underwear from

:55:26. > :55:30.marks and Spencers because they have posted poor trading figures as you

:55:31. > :55:36.may be aware. The trouble with Twitter the instantness of it is, I

:55:37. > :55:41.think, too many twits might make a (BLEEP).

:55:42. > :55:46.You said I forgot my anniversary and I ask you to hold that thought. We

:55:47. > :55:51.have had a special cake and I must thank the Cake Store based in

:55:52. > :55:58.Sydenham. The first time you appeared the final question was do

:55:59. > :56:01.you own a onesie, you replied yes. This is to celebrate our first, you

:56:02. > :56:08.will wish we never started this. There you are in your onesie, and I

:56:09. > :56:12.wonder if I could ask you to cut the cake. Can Nick Clegg eat a bacon

:56:13. > :56:22.sandwich and how will it work on the radio? One bite. I will try. Very

:56:23. > :56:26.good! Didn't his mother tell him never to

:56:27. > :56:30.speak but mouth full. We had hoped to be joined by Harriet Harman who

:56:31. > :56:34.was going to the third of our national politicians to get their

:56:35. > :56:37.own radio show but she has been detained in the Palace of

:56:38. > :56:44.Westminster because of that security alert, so, it is down to you to talk

:56:45. > :56:47.about this! Would you like to have your own radio show? I am not sure I

:56:48. > :56:50.would like to have it now, because you are on television as well,

:56:51. > :56:56.because everyone can watch you and see you. It is all done on

:56:57. > :57:02.webcameras I used to love doing radio, because you couldn't be seen,

:57:03. > :57:08.you got more time to talk, a little more length about things and even

:57:09. > :57:12.when I was a minister and you had to do the Today programme at 7.30 in

:57:13. > :57:18.the morning, it could be a dressing gown in the radio car job. You can't

:57:19. > :57:25.do it on in sort of stuff now. Why do you think they want to do it? Why

:57:26. > :57:29.do they think... ? I think partly they want to cut out the middle man.

:57:30. > :57:36.They do. That is why we are against it Absolutely, I can see that. We

:57:37. > :57:44.are Luddites when it comes to this I can see that. Back to Ed Miliband

:57:45. > :57:49.and the sort of press that he gets. But equally, to have, to be able to

:57:50. > :57:56.connect directly with individuals, which you can do on a phone in, I

:57:57. > :58:01.think is sort of gold dust, it is high risk, because you can get it

:58:02. > :58:09.very wrong. You get asked questions like have you got a onesie, what is

:58:10. > :58:14.the answer? Me? ! God forbid! All right. Let us. I like you selected

:58:15. > :58:18.that one from the list of questions. The other was can you eat a bacon

:58:19. > :58:23.sandwich? That is it for today. Our thanks to our guest, the one clock

:58:24. > :58:32.news is starting on BBC One now, but listen carefully, I am back tonight

:58:33. > :58:42.for This Week with Michael Portillo, Diane Abbott and guests, and the

:58:43. > :58:47.star of The Killing. Maybe she will wear one of her famous jumpers. This

:58:48. > :58:52.is the bit we are not on BBC One because of something happening in

:58:53. > :58:54.Brazil. We are on BBC Two after Newsnight.

:58:55. > :58:57.See you then. Goodbye.