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:00:55. > :00:57.be next to be beheaded. The chilling threat from the so-called Islamic

:00:58. > :01:02.State jihadists who released another video last night. David Cameron has

:01:03. > :01:07.been caring another meeting of COBRA. It is clear the government's

:01:08. > :01:11.options are limited. We will be asking if government

:01:12. > :01:19.plans to tackle home-grown terrorism will have any effect.

:01:20. > :01:24.Expect a Broads -- expect events abroad to dominate politics today.

:01:25. > :01:29.It'd likely to be a sombre affair. -- it is likely. This man wants to

:01:30. > :01:37.modernise the House of Commons but do politicians wish John Burkholder

:01:38. > :01:43.was history? -- John Burke out. Joining goes or Business Minister

:01:44. > :01:51.Matt Hancock. The terrorists of Islamic State say

:01:52. > :01:55.they have beheaded a second journalist called for two. It was

:01:56. > :02:01.orchestrated in much the same way as the first video, a man with a

:02:02. > :02:07.British accent holding a knife and making threats against the US and

:02:08. > :02:11.now Britain. He says the next to be murdered will be a British hostage.

:02:12. > :02:16.The family of the hostage have asked us not to name the hostage and we

:02:17. > :02:21.respect them but the family is from Scotland. Other than the usual words

:02:22. > :02:26.of outrage and condemnation, there has been no specific British

:02:27. > :02:30.reaction, no formal statement after the meeting of the emergency

:02:31. > :02:34.committee. I'm secretary Philip Hammond said this. We have looked

:02:35. > :02:38.very carefully at the options to support the legitimate government of

:02:39. > :02:44.Iraq and Kurdistan in defending themselves against the threat from

:02:45. > :02:49.ISIL and if we judge air strikes could be beneficial, we will

:02:50. > :03:00.consider them. We make no decision to do so at the moment. With us now

:03:01. > :03:04.is the BBC's world affairs editor. When you see these videos, it makes

:03:05. > :03:09.Islamic State look powerful and threatening. But could it be they

:03:10. > :03:16.doing this because these American air strikes are having an effect

:03:17. > :03:21.their positions? I am sure. They are not the organisation they seemed to

:03:22. > :03:27.be in June when they captured one of the major cities of Iraq, Mosul. And

:03:28. > :03:33.the Iraqi army, which we have been training and arming at such expense

:03:34. > :03:47.run away. That has not happened since. The business of sending over

:03:48. > :03:55.drones and missiles has had a good effect on keeping the ISIL, which we

:03:56. > :04:02.seem to be saying now, which irritates me, but there response is

:04:03. > :04:07.down. Dashed their response. They are in trouble. If you have got

:04:08. > :04:14.people who are decent and innocent journalists and you have a knife,

:04:15. > :04:18.you can take off their heads, imagining you are doing it with

:04:19. > :04:23.complete power. One day, that guy and several of the others will be in

:04:24. > :04:28.The Hague, in the night -- in the International Criminal Court. I hope

:04:29. > :04:40.I am not too old to cover that. I hope you can cover it as well. They

:04:41. > :04:44.may be extremist ideological is -- and ideological living in their

:04:45. > :04:53.world, do they think American foreign policy will change, what can

:04:54. > :04:57.they achieve? We say that, but I have just come back from

:04:58. > :05:06.Afghanistan. I was talking about the same kind of thing. People wanted to

:05:07. > :05:11.join up with Islamic State. They see it very differently. They think they

:05:12. > :05:16.just keep on and they tough enough, countries like Britain and America

:05:17. > :05:21.will go away, which is what has happened. Historically, written and

:05:22. > :05:28.America have been fiercely involved in Afghanistan -- Britain. Then they

:05:29. > :05:33.had to get involved again and they forgot about it. We are on our third

:05:34. > :05:40.turn around. So they are not far wrong in saying they might be able

:05:41. > :05:47.to just get rid of us. It will not happen by scaring goes and it will

:05:48. > :05:51.not happen by putting their heads of innocent people on video. I watched

:05:52. > :05:59.some of those videos and it was disgusting. -- by scaring goes. It

:06:00. > :06:11.gets our attention when it is a British and American hostage, but

:06:12. > :06:18.this is part of the course. It could be symbolism. I was reading that in

:06:19. > :06:23.this town, and Islamic State, every Friday, there are now public

:06:24. > :06:30.executions and beheadings in the square. And the dead are mounted on

:06:31. > :06:36.a crucifix as a warning to local residents to do what they are told.

:06:37. > :06:43.So this is what they do. This is what they do. You must not just

:06:44. > :06:52.think it is only happening in Rakka, or Syria, Syria and Iraq, it could

:06:53. > :06:58.now spread to Afghanistan. That is what this group of thrillers we were

:06:59. > :07:04.talking to have been saying -- gorillas. It is happening on a daily

:07:05. > :07:09.basis in Nigeria. Northern and north-eastern Nigeria. I do not want

:07:10. > :07:14.to say they are spreading all over the world and they will get to us,

:07:15. > :07:22.it is not like that. But there are black holes on the map that these

:07:23. > :07:27.people are able to infest. That is what has happened. Matt Hancock, if

:07:28. > :07:32.that is what they do, what should we do? If air strikes are effective,

:07:33. > :07:38.should we join the Americans in these air strikes? That decision has

:07:39. > :07:44.not yet been made. But in terms of the individual written hostage, we

:07:45. > :07:51.are looking at all options -- British. But as well as looking at

:07:52. > :07:55.what options we can take abroad, we also have to do everything we can to

:07:56. > :08:02.defend people at home. We will get to that. I am concentrating on the

:08:03. > :08:07.situation in what we used to call in Iraq and Syria. Which they now call

:08:08. > :08:11.Islamic State. What are the options there? You say you are looking at

:08:12. > :08:17.all options but that is meaningless. What is the opposite of that, we are

:08:18. > :08:25.not looking at any options? What are the options? It would not be

:08:26. > :08:30.appropriate to go into the individual militarily and other

:08:31. > :08:37.options available. But what we do know is that the impact of the US

:08:38. > :08:44.air strikes has been, the effect of that has been to prevent this

:08:45. > :08:49.advance -- military. So we support the US while not taking part in

:08:50. > :08:55.these air strikes ourselves. Also, the Kurds have got a role to play in

:08:56. > :09:07.this. Should we are on them? We supporting them. I cannot make a

:09:08. > :09:15.decision like that on this show. -- should we macro to them. There is

:09:16. > :09:19.also a big humanitarian aspect. The humanitarian crisis is serious. Of

:09:20. > :09:25.course, and we spend a lot of money trying to do that. It does not

:09:26. > :09:30.address the issues I have raised. I understand the government has not

:09:31. > :09:33.come out and said anything. Jack Straw, distinguished former Foreign

:09:34. > :09:45.Secretary for a Labour government, he said he supported Britain joining

:09:46. > :09:50.American air strikes. Could that become Labour Party policy? We are

:09:51. > :09:54.not far away from that. The European Union is involved in funding and

:09:55. > :09:58.giving military assistance to the Kurds and we support you on that. We

:09:59. > :10:04.support the Americans in their air strikes and a decision has yet to be

:10:05. > :10:08.made as to whether Britain should take an active part in that but we

:10:09. > :10:14.will not commit to boot is on the ground. Ed Miliband has set out the

:10:15. > :10:19.parameters on which we should set a decision. So on the basis of, will

:10:20. > :10:24.it be perfect, is its proportionate? There is no point doing something

:10:25. > :10:29.for the sake of being seen to be doing something, it has to be

:10:30. > :10:36.effective and genuine. But the evidence is that these air strikes

:10:37. > :10:40.are effective which is why the Islamic State are starting to kill

:10:41. > :10:42.hostages. So you think Labour could be moving in the direction of

:10:43. > :10:50.supporting British air strikes, along with the Americans and serving

:10:51. > :10:54.weapons to the Kurds? In a wider context, we also have to be

:10:55. > :11:00.multilateral in our approach. There has to be a political solution and

:11:01. > :11:05.the major players in that area... What does that mean? We cannot be

:11:06. > :11:10.one country and a friend deciding to take action somewhere. It has to be

:11:11. > :11:17.some sort of international consent and within a coherent plan. The

:11:18. > :11:20.French President, for example, has just called for an international

:11:21. > :11:25.conference at the United Nations which is the right and to do. Have

:11:26. > :11:30.to bring the major power brokers to the table to make sure there is no

:11:31. > :11:33.more funding of ISIS. This is the French President that is refusing to

:11:34. > :11:44.arm Ukraine but selling warships to Russia? Multilateral cooperation.

:11:45. > :11:51.You work with the powers. Frankly, we can all pick holes in friends you

:11:52. > :11:56.may have but real politics is about bringing the power brokers to the

:11:57. > :12:01.table and finding a proper solution. One of the things that has been

:12:02. > :12:06.remarkable about this has been the reluctance of President Obama to get

:12:07. > :12:10.involved. And when events strike him into getting involved, the moment he

:12:11. > :12:18.can take his total out of the water again, he does it. Exactly. This is

:12:19. > :12:25.the big rob them. Everybody can see we are only doing it just for a very

:12:26. > :12:29.short time -- this is the problem. We will light a number of rockets

:12:30. > :12:34.and then we will say, let's get out of here and finish with this place.

:12:35. > :12:41.You can hear the wreath in the voices of generals and politicians

:12:42. > :12:47.-- relief. Leaving Afghanistan, what could be better? Actually, that is

:12:48. > :12:55.an invitation for these things to happen again. It cannot just be an

:12:56. > :13:00.in and out policy. It has got to be, we have to commit ourselves to

:13:01. > :13:06.building up these black holes into proper state again and we have to be

:13:07. > :13:11.there -- states. Not necessarily with soldiers, that is not a good

:13:12. > :13:19.idea, but with our attention and our cheque-book. And friends. There are

:13:20. > :13:23.others, they have cheque-books and they have people and they have an

:13:24. > :13:30.insight we do not necessarily have. Let's get this clear, they also have

:13:31. > :13:41.an axe to grind. This is a Sunni and Shia sectarian war. With the Saudis

:13:42. > :13:44.and Iran, they are proxies. We sell these weapons to Saudi Arabia but

:13:45. > :13:54.they do not seem to want to use them. They are not there to be used!

:13:55. > :14:02.The pattern is shifting. Iran is a lot closer about Iraq now than Saudi

:14:03. > :14:07.Arabia. These things that have got to be with very carefully but they

:14:08. > :14:11.have to be dealt with on the basis that we are permanently involved in

:14:12. > :14:20.one way or another. Not patrolling the streets with squaddies. But with

:14:21. > :14:27.our minds and our hearts. And understanding the region. Yes. Thank

:14:28. > :14:32.you very much, always a pleasure. How do we deal with the terror

:14:33. > :14:35.threat at home? A number of new proposals have been announced by the

:14:36. > :14:39.government to prevent what the government called the gaps in our

:14:40. > :14:42.armoury. But there are concerns about whether the new measures

:14:43. > :14:45.strike the balance between keeping us safe and protect civil liberties.

:14:46. > :14:57.-- protecting. , Theresa May, raise the terror

:14:58. > :15:03.threat level from substantial to severe. That means that an attack in

:15:04. > :15:07.Britain was highly likely. It is estimated that around 500 British

:15:08. > :15:11.nationals have travelled to Iraq and Syria, to fight for militant groups.

:15:12. > :15:15.The government is focusing its attention on what happens if they

:15:16. > :15:18.come home. On Monday, David Cameron announced a series of new measures

:15:19. > :15:24.to the Commons, including enhancing the government the radicalisation

:15:25. > :15:27.programme and forcing airlines to hand over more information about

:15:28. > :15:32.passengers coming to and from conflict zones. The government

:15:33. > :15:36.answer to control orders, which can be used to deal with terror suspect,

:15:37. > :15:39.will be toughened up, and there is going to be statutory powers for

:15:40. > :15:45.police to seize passports from terrorist suspects attempting to

:15:46. > :15:48.leave the UK. Perhaps the most controversial proposal, cross-party

:15:49. > :15:52.talks on legislation to prevent fighters from coming back to the UK

:15:53. > :15:55.by removing their passports. This could prove difficult as there are

:15:56. > :16:01.warnings that the move may go against international law. Before we

:16:02. > :16:07.get the individual proposals, in your mind, what is it that has

:16:08. > :16:12.turned 500 or so, that is a conservative estimate, 500 British

:16:13. > :16:16.citizens into jihadis, who are fighting in Syria and Iraq and many

:16:17. > :16:21.of whom would like to bring that home of terrorism back here. -- that

:16:22. > :16:24.brand of terrorism home back here. Different reasons for different

:16:25. > :16:28.individuals, one of the heart of it, that we have got to do long-term, as

:16:29. > :16:34.well as short-term measures that we will talk about, is make sure that

:16:35. > :16:40.we have a strategy that tackles this sort of radicalisation. Right from

:16:41. > :16:45.the start and from the grassroots. Has it not been there until now?

:16:46. > :16:50.Until a couple of years ago, the approach of the UK authorities was

:16:51. > :16:55.that when an ideology is looking like a violent ideology, then that

:16:56. > :16:59.is the time to engage. But I think very strongly that we have got to

:17:00. > :17:04.start before that. Things like the active teaching of and self

:17:05. > :17:10.confidence in British values across the whole school system. That is

:17:11. > :17:15.really important, to try to bring people together. And to try to... To

:17:16. > :17:19.essentially strengthened nation-building in our own nation.

:17:20. > :17:25.Of course, that is not going to be a panacea, and in this area, nothing

:17:26. > :17:27.is. But you can take action earlier and you can take action to

:17:28. > :17:32.is. But you can take action earlier and you can take action try to

:17:33. > :17:38.prevent some of these people moving towards violence, before they are

:17:39. > :17:42.indoctrinated with a violent ideology. Sounds like there has been

:17:43. > :17:47.a gap, there was the prevent strategy, with hindsight should more

:17:48. > :17:52.money have been put into that? It is not necessarily about money, the

:17:53. > :17:56.previous Prevent strategy was targeted at those who had a violent

:17:57. > :18:00.extremist ideology. We have changed that to be a strategy to deal with

:18:01. > :18:05.those who have an extremist ideology whether it is violent or not.

:18:06. > :18:11.Because we know that an extremist attitude is one thing that can lead

:18:12. > :18:14.to violent acts and this kind of thing. That was a major gap, I

:18:15. > :18:19.think, we have put it right at a strategic level, but cascading that

:18:20. > :18:24.through all schools, making sure schools are self-confident about

:18:25. > :18:29.British values of tolerance and openness and Beardsley of

:18:30. > :18:32.nonviolent... Nonviolent resolution. The so-called Trojan horse.

:18:33. > :18:37.Sometimes you have got to tackle two. Looking at the proposals put

:18:38. > :18:42.forward, do you support the idea that fighters coming back from Syria

:18:43. > :18:46.and Iraq should be prevented in some way of re-entering the UK by for

:18:47. > :18:52.example having passports taken away? There is a superficial attraction,

:18:53. > :18:55.the Tories have built that up by the briefing over last weekend but I do

:18:56. > :18:59.not think... I cannot believe they ever thought they would be able to

:19:00. > :19:03.do it when it comes to somebody who is only a British citizen. If you

:19:04. > :19:07.have another nationality, taking away somebody's nationality, their

:19:08. > :19:11.passport... Sending them back to their country of origin. Yes, but if

:19:12. > :19:15.somebody is British and only British and trying to come back, if you take

:19:16. > :19:18.away their passport you are making them stateless and we do not agree

:19:19. > :19:22.with that, we have not agreed with that since the 1960s and there is a

:19:23. > :19:27.reason for that: If we were to do it, countries across the world would

:19:28. > :19:32.do it, we would end up with a whole lot of guys in the Islamic State who

:19:33. > :19:37.have nowhere else to go anyway. David Anderson, the counterterrorism

:19:38. > :19:41.adviser, has said that, on the BBC. Why has David Cameron even hinted at

:19:42. > :19:45.being able to do something about preventing British citizens, sole

:19:46. > :19:50.British citizens, from re-entering the UK, when there are so many legal

:19:51. > :19:53.difficulties in international law. He was clear in his statement on

:19:54. > :19:58.Monday that you cannot move passports, some people have dual

:19:59. > :20:02.nationality. -- that you can remove passports for people who have dual

:20:03. > :20:06.nationality. We have taken steps in law to make sure that we can remove

:20:07. > :20:10.British citizenship from those that are naturalised. What about sole

:20:11. > :20:15.British citizens, he said he would work out proposals, he told MPs, UK

:20:16. > :20:18.nationals, that were suspected of being involved in terror act, were

:20:19. > :20:22.going to be prevented from re-entering the UK for a period of

:20:23. > :20:26.time, how can that be done and where will they go? Where will they be?

:20:27. > :20:30.Sitting in an airport in Turkey... I do not understand what you are

:20:31. > :20:33.doing. It is all very well saying that you are going to do something

:20:34. > :20:47.but what do you intend to achieve? The attack, which... That is not the

:20:48. > :20:52.attack. What would you accept, to prevent those UK nationals coming

:20:53. > :20:57.back to Britain? What matters is protecting people at home.

:20:58. > :21:02.Absolutely. That means not having people as far as is possible coming

:21:03. > :21:06.back and being free on the streets of Britain. There are ways that you

:21:07. > :21:10.can tackle that, and obviously, making sure that you can do that in

:21:11. > :21:16.a way which complies with international law, that is

:21:17. > :21:20.important. But the idea that we cannot take those steps, should not

:21:21. > :21:24.look at those debts, in order to look at -- in order to protect

:21:25. > :21:27.people here, is absurd. There are steps you can take: We have been

:21:28. > :21:39.arguing with you, as we know, about these control orders, Tpims. A rule

:21:40. > :21:43.about you stay here and we can keep an eye on you. We think that they

:21:44. > :21:48.had been watered down so much... Nobody is under one at the moment.

:21:49. > :21:52.Was it a mistake for the government to drop control orders? These can be

:21:53. > :21:57.put on terror suspects to restrict them in all sorts of ways. No,

:21:58. > :22:01.because they were restrictive... We decided they needed changing. Did

:22:02. > :22:05.you decide they were too tough? Well, there were ways in which they

:22:06. > :22:09.were not working, people could abscond from them. They needed

:22:10. > :22:16.tackling. There is a new measure... Another one absconded in a Burka!

:22:17. > :22:20.They are a joke! Clearly, we have got to make sure that these things

:22:21. > :22:29.work effectively. How many people are under one at the moment? None.

:22:30. > :22:34.That is the correct answer! And there is 500 jihadi 's fighting in

:22:35. > :22:38.Iraq. If you have a jihadi that has gone to Syria, of course you cannot

:22:39. > :22:43.put them under anything. Why are the ones that have come back not been

:22:44. > :22:47.put under this order? You cannot know... If somebody travels through

:22:48. > :22:54.Turkey, then there is not necessarily the ability to know

:22:55. > :22:57.where everybody... We try to establish what the government is

:22:58. > :23:00.going to do to stop a jihadis leaving Syria, coming to Turkey and

:23:01. > :23:06.from Turkey humming back to Britain... What do you do with them

:23:07. > :23:10.when they arrive at Heathrow? These things are extremely difficult. For

:23:11. > :23:14.instance... You could prosecute them. If they have gone to Syria and

:23:15. > :23:19.waged war, they have committed a crime. You could start with that for

:23:20. > :23:25.example. I apologise for the sadistic notion of this analysis

:23:26. > :23:28.here... LAUGHTER Your partners are saying something

:23:29. > :23:32.similar, the Liberal Democrats. If somebody goes to Turkey, and we do

:23:33. > :23:37.not know if they have gone into Syria, that makes the situation more

:23:38. > :23:40.difficult. Believe you me, we are determined to act and put in as much

:23:41. > :23:44.protection as possible subject to defending the very values of

:23:45. > :23:48.tolerance and liberty which we are fighting for at the same time. I'm

:23:49. > :23:54.not completely clear about what can and cannot be done but we we can

:23:55. > :23:58.expect much more on that, coming up very shortly in prime ministers

:23:59. > :24:00.questions. It is a pretty grim morning, we will try to cheer

:24:01. > :24:11.ourselves up and turn to something completely different.

:24:12. > :24:13.News has reached us here at the Daily Politics that

:24:14. > :24:16.a certain Anthony Blair, you may remember him(!), he led the Labour

:24:17. > :24:19.Party once upon a time, has picked up a gong at the flashy GQ Awards.

:24:20. > :24:21.I think it stands for gentlemen 's quarterly...

:24:22. > :24:32.Richest former Prime Minister? Well, of course, he would win that award!

:24:33. > :24:33.No: he's won philanthropist of the year.

:24:34. > :24:38.I'll just pause a moment so that can sink in.

:24:39. > :24:44.No wonder they like him in Kazakhstan!

:24:45. > :24:47.Now I'm afraid we are unlikely to ever win such an accolade

:24:48. > :24:50.for our generosity here at the BBC, we don't just give things away

:24:51. > :24:56.We cannot afford it! We do not have anything to give away! If you want

:24:57. > :25:15.to win one of our special mugs, you have got to work for it!

:25:16. > :25:20.We will remind you how to win in a moment, but first, let's see if you

:25:21. > :25:33.remember when this happened... All dressed up and nowhere to go...

:25:34. > :25:38.You have a history of anti-Semitism... Homophobia... How

:25:39. > :26:18.come you will not apologise, you gutless coward!

:26:19. > :26:24.To be in with a chance of winning a daily politics mug, you do not have

:26:25. > :26:26.to win. It's tough year! Just send the answer to the special quiz

:26:27. > :26:38.e-mail address, below: It's coming up to midday here,

:26:39. > :26:41.just take a look at Big Ben, yes, Prime Minister's

:26:42. > :26:44.Questions is on its way. And that's not all!

:26:45. > :26:48.James Landale is here. Now obviously we expect events

:26:49. > :26:50.abroad to dominate PMQS. But since we last saw each other

:26:51. > :27:06.James, David Cameron's had to deal I am today leaving the Conservative

:27:07. > :27:10.Party and joining Ukip. APPLAUSE This has not been an easy decision.

:27:11. > :27:15.I have been a member of the Conservative Party for all of my

:27:16. > :27:21.adult life. It is full of wonderful people who want the best of Britain.

:27:22. > :27:25.My local Conservative Association in Clacton is thriving. It brims with

:27:26. > :27:29.those that I am honoured to call my friends. The problem is, many of

:27:30. > :27:35.those at the top of the Conservative Party are simply not on our side.

:27:36. > :27:41.They are not serious about the change Britain so seriously needs.

:27:42. > :27:45.Yes, not just the defection of Mr Carswell, to Ukip, but the resigning

:27:46. > :27:48.of his seat, and calling a by-election to fight in the Ukip

:27:49. > :27:52.name, an opinion poll has suggested yesterday that he would win by the

:27:53. > :27:59.narrow margin of 32 points. I think we could fire that under the L, for

:28:00. > :28:05.landslide! Clearly he is the bookies favourite. -- file that. What is the

:28:06. > :28:09.mood on the Tory backbenches, in terms of their attitude towards

:28:10. > :28:14.Douglas Carswell? Pretty angry. One MP last night said that Douglas

:28:15. > :28:19.Carswell, 1992 committee, said he had not just stab the Prime Minister

:28:20. > :28:23.in the back, he had stabbed everyone in the back, and the man who said

:28:24. > :28:26.that was widely applauded. The Conservative Parliamentary party, we

:28:27. > :28:32.will not see many more defections like him. The significance... How

:28:33. > :28:35.much it changes the narrative, how much it focuses the attention of

:28:36. > :28:38.politics back to the Conservative Ukip battle at a time when the Prime

:28:39. > :28:42.Minister wanted to get off that and focus on the economy. The

:28:43. > :28:47.Conservatives, the real worry that some of them have, what impact does

:28:48. > :28:49.it have on those voters that they need if they want to secure a

:28:50. > :28:55.majority next time? Soft labour, soft Lib Dems, nonvoters, all of

:28:56. > :28:59.those voters who by and large the polls suggest are not attracted by

:29:00. > :29:03.debates within the Conservative Party about Europe and battles with

:29:04. > :29:07.Ukip. That is what is worrying strategists for the Conservatives.

:29:08. > :29:10.How are they going to handle this by-election, October nine, the

:29:11. > :29:15.birthday of the Prime Minister! We shall be carrying it live, after

:29:16. > :29:16.this week, this is what we do these days with the by-elections. You were

:29:17. > :29:23.on the last one. LAUGHTER

:29:24. > :29:29.You had better take your energy pill! I would love to be there! How

:29:30. > :29:33.are they going to handle this. Everybody seems they will lose and

:29:34. > :29:37.probably lose badly. Who are they going to get to make the feudal

:29:38. > :29:45.gesture of standing against Douglas Carswell? How are they going to

:29:46. > :29:48.handle it -- feudal gesture. -- futile. They will fight reasonably

:29:49. > :29:52.hard to put on a reasonable show, I will not throw the kitchen sink, but

:29:53. > :29:57.the lesson from the by-election in Europe, that cost them a lot of

:29:58. > :30:02.money, they won it but it cost them a shed load, something over ?100,000

:30:03. > :30:06.which is a lot of money in the election cycle. Will Lynton Crosby

:30:07. > :30:10.want to direct that kind of resource to one seat like that? Probably

:30:11. > :30:15.not, they cannot vacate the field. That would be unlikely. They will do

:30:16. > :30:20.their best not to draw their attention to that. They want it done

:30:21. > :30:24.quickly. What about Boris? You may be silly, but he is not that silly!

:30:25. > :30:29.What is the significance of what Douglas Carswell has done? There was

:30:30. > :30:30.a sense that... Hold on a moment, I will hold that question, we will go

:30:31. > :30:42.to PMQ 's. It appears to have been carried out

:30:43. > :30:46.by a British citizen. Our thoughts are with the British hostage and his

:30:47. > :30:53.family, there ordeal cannot be imagined. But this country will

:30:54. > :30:58.never give in to terrorism. Our opposition to ISIL will continue at

:30:59. > :31:03.home and abroad. It is important we are clear about the nature of the

:31:04. > :31:08.threat we are facing. It makes no distinction between culture, country

:31:09. > :31:11.and religion, the only way to defeat it is to stand firm and to send a

:31:12. > :31:17.straightforward message. A country like ours will not be cowed by these

:31:18. > :31:21.barbaric killers. If they think we will weaken in the face of their

:31:22. > :31:25.threats, they are wrong. It will have the opposite effect, we will be

:31:26. > :31:31.more forthright in the defence of the values, liberty and a law,

:31:32. > :31:35.freedom and democracy that we hold dear and I am sure a united message

:31:36. > :31:40.to that effect will go forward from this house today. Mr Speaker, this

:31:41. > :31:46.morning, I had meetings and in additions to my duties in this

:31:47. > :31:51.house, I will have further meetings today -- in addition. Chi -- can I

:31:52. > :31:57.endorse what the Prime Minister has said about the American hostage? Can

:31:58. > :32:00.I say to the Prime Minister that some years ago, he said he wanted to

:32:01. > :32:07.prevent the Conservatives banging on about Europe, what has happened? A

:32:08. > :32:12.lot of things have changed in Europe, not least the Eurozone

:32:13. > :32:16.crisis which had eased that is beginning to appear again and this

:32:17. > :32:20.has created enormous tension within the union. Those countries within

:32:21. > :32:25.the Eurozone that need further integration and those outside the

:32:26. > :32:28.Eurozone that want a more flexible relationship with Europe. It is

:32:29. > :32:34.right to debate these matters in this house but above all, it is

:32:35. > :32:41.right to include the British people. And my plans, they will have a

:32:42. > :32:47.decisive say before the end of 2017. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Other Prime

:32:48. > :32:51.Minister join me in congratulating businesses in Basildon and XXXX who

:32:52. > :33:02.have been -- who have reduced on employment by 36% -- in Basildon and

:33:03. > :33:08.XXXX. Is this roof the economic LAN is working? -- proof. In the East of

:33:09. > :33:12.England, the number of people in work is up by 400,000 since the

:33:13. > :33:17.election, private sector employment has increased, business and

:33:18. > :33:23.investment has increased, and the news we have about the GDP figure

:33:24. > :33:29.revisions shows since 2010, this country has grown faster than France

:33:30. > :33:31.and Germany and any major economy apart from Canada and the United

:33:32. > :33:36.States of America. There should be no complacency because the job is

:33:37. > :33:39.not yet done but our long-term plan is working and it is the way to

:33:40. > :33:47.secure a better future for our country. I joined the Prime Minister

:33:48. > :33:52.in expressing the universal sense of revulsion at the barbaric murder of

:33:53. > :33:56.Steven Sotloff and in expressing deep concern about the British

:33:57. > :34:01.hostage Dean held. This will be a terrible time for his family --

:34:02. > :34:06.being held. People across the country will be thinking of them.

:34:07. > :34:11.This is a pattern of murderous behaviour I20 macro of the innocent.

:34:12. > :34:19.Christians, easy-to-use, anybody who does not agree with their vile

:34:20. > :34:24.aetiology. -- by ISIL. -- ideology. This must strengthen our resolve to

:34:25. > :34:28.defeat them and have -- and he can be sure of our full support in

:34:29. > :34:33.standing firm against them. Can I thank the Leader of the Opposition?

:34:34. > :34:37.We should send a united message. What has happened to the hostages

:34:38. > :34:43.some far and what may happen again in the future is a par and barbaric

:34:44. > :34:48.-- borrowed. We will not waver in our aim of defeating terrorism and

:34:49. > :34:53.that is not something that divides this house politically, it is

:34:54. > :34:58.something that everyone and I -- and I suspect the entire country agrees

:34:59. > :35:03.with. The pattern of killing will shock people across the world full

:35:04. > :35:07.does he agree that we and countries in the region have a vital

:35:08. > :35:13.humanitarian and security interest in overcoming ISIL? What progress is

:35:14. > :35:19.being made to mobilise other countries including Turkey, Saudi

:35:20. > :35:25.Arabia, Qatar and the Arab League against ISIL? The way the Leader of

:35:26. > :35:31.the Opposition is approaching this is right. This is a crisis in which

:35:32. > :35:34.we are there to help the people on the ground and the countries in the

:35:35. > :35:39.region that want to solve this crisis. This is not a Western led

:35:40. > :35:43.intervention. We have the Kurds defending communities including

:35:44. > :35:49.minority communities from the horrors of ISIL. The government of

:35:50. > :35:57.big doubt needs to get itself together to represent the country.

:35:58. > :36:02.Then we can do more to make sure this appalling organisation feels

:36:03. > :36:09.the pressure of international and local condemnation. We should using

:36:10. > :36:15.all the assets we have, focusing on humanitarian aid and saving people

:36:16. > :36:19.from hunger and persecution. Using political and diplomatic pressures

:36:20. > :36:22.to make sure a government in Baghdad can represent the country and

:36:23. > :36:27.working with others so pressure is put on. If we continue like that,

:36:28. > :36:32.asking how can others in the neighbourhood do their work, how can

:36:33. > :36:36.we help them and best event our national interests and keep people

:36:37. > :36:39.safe at home? That is the right approach. I agree with the Prime

:36:40. > :36:45.Minister and building that partnership is vital. Working with

:36:46. > :36:49.the UN is a key part of building the legitimacy of the alliance. In

:36:50. > :36:54.addition to the UN Security Council resolution has to know last couple

:36:55. > :36:58.of weeks, what plan does he have two use the UK's chair of the Security

:36:59. > :37:03.Council to build international consensus? We have used the UN to

:37:04. > :37:06.put pressure on ISIL by making it clear people should not provide

:37:07. > :37:12.resources sanctuary these people, they should be cut off. That has

:37:13. > :37:16.been the approach. What we do have an opportunity through the UN to

:37:17. > :37:21.marshal international support for the view that this ISIL so-called

:37:22. > :37:27.Islamic caliphate is unacceptable and needs to be squeezed out of

:37:28. > :37:34.existence. We should aim to get the maximum support through the UN for

:37:35. > :37:38.Messieurs -- measures being taken. In Britain, people will have been

:37:39. > :37:44.shocked and disgusted there were British voices on the visitor you --

:37:45. > :37:47.on the video. The Prime Minister announced a relocation powers to

:37:48. > :37:53.suspected terrorists and he has our full support for this. Can he

:37:54. > :37:56.confirm this will go ahead and can he give an indication of the

:37:57. > :38:02.timetable? I can confirm it will go ahead and it will require

:38:03. > :38:08.legislation. We need to put the independent reviewer of terrorism,

:38:09. > :38:12.to put his advice into action. He has spoken of it combination of

:38:13. > :38:16.exclusion and relocation and that needs to be introduced into the

:38:17. > :38:20.terrorism prevention and investigated. We should do this on a

:38:21. > :38:27.cross-party basis to send the clearest message and urgency is the

:38:28. > :38:31.order of the day. The best way to deal with terrorists is criminal

:38:32. > :38:35.prosecution and if that is not possible, strict restriction on

:38:36. > :38:40.their movement. On Monday, he also proposed the possibility of locking

:38:41. > :38:44.British citizens returning to the UK. Can he say more about whether he

:38:45. > :38:49.believes this is legally a list -- legally permissible and if there are

:38:50. > :38:54.plans to take this forward? The short answer is, yes, but it will

:38:55. > :38:59.take work. We already have the power when people try to return to the UK,

:39:00. > :39:03.if it is a foreign national, we can exclude them even if they have lived

:39:04. > :39:08.here. Dual nationals can be stripped of their British citizenship and

:39:09. > :39:13.excluded. A naturalised British person, you can and our new laws

:39:14. > :39:20.strip them of their British nationality. -- under. There is a

:39:21. > :39:24.cap when somebody has been born and raised as a British citizen like the

:39:25. > :39:28.individual from high Wycombe who wanted to return to do harm to our

:39:29. > :39:32.country, the best thing to do is to gather evidence, prosecute,

:39:33. > :39:36.convicted and imprisoned. But there could the occasions when we need to

:39:37. > :39:42.exclude so we should fill that gap and I believe it is legal and

:39:43. > :39:46.possible to do it. We will look at the practicality and legality of

:39:47. > :39:50.proposals. Can he revisit the case for strengthening the prevent

:39:51. > :39:55.programme in terms of revolt -- in terms of resources and community

:39:56. > :39:58.engagement? That is essential to prevent people being indoctrinated

:39:59. > :40:04.into this poisonous ideology. We do need fast action to build alliances

:40:05. > :40:10.across the world against ISIL and strong and considered action at home

:40:11. > :40:12.is what the world needs, is what the British people expect, and in

:40:13. > :40:19.pursuing this course, he has our port. Prevent, what we have done is

:40:20. > :40:24.to divide up the different elements. One part is about community

:40:25. > :40:29.confusion best led by the Department For Culture and communities and the

:40:30. > :40:34.other part best run by the Home Office. But what we need to be clear

:40:35. > :40:39.about is that it is not enough to target those who reach violent

:40:40. > :40:45.extremism, we need to go after those who promote the extremist narrative

:40:46. > :40:50.that gives the terrorists and the men of violence support for what

:40:51. > :40:55.they do. It is not unlike the Cold War were we did not just pursue

:40:56. > :40:59.those who wanted to do all such harm, we also had to challenge those

:41:00. > :41:04.who gave them succour. That is what we need to do in the struggle which

:41:05. > :41:11.I think will last for decades, and we need to show resilience and unity

:41:12. > :41:16.in pursuing it. In this Parliament, our coalition government has

:41:17. > :41:26.increased health spending in England by over ?17 billion a year. As a

:41:27. > :41:32.direct consequence of that, a block grant to Scotland which supports NHS

:41:33. > :41:36.funding in Scotland has increased by ?1.7 billion a year. Does he agree

:41:37. > :41:43.that this gives the lie to Alex Salmond's propaganda about the NHS?

:41:44. > :41:47.He is absolutely right, because of the decisions we took, long-term

:41:48. > :41:53.decisions after a careful assessment to increase spending, that has given

:41:54. > :41:57.extra money for Scotland to spend on the NHS so that gives lie to one

:41:58. > :42:04.claim. His second claim that somehow, the government, however

:42:05. > :42:11.ties parts of the NHS in Scotland is complete nonsense. -- could

:42:12. > :42:16.privatise. The only person who could do that is Alex Salmond and you can

:42:17. > :42:21.tell somebody has lost the argument when they start telling ludicrous

:42:22. > :42:26.lies about what he could do himself! There have been worrying reports

:42:27. > :42:30.about a rising malnutrition and children going back to school

:42:31. > :42:34.hungry. The government is rolling out free school meals but that will

:42:35. > :42:39.not solve food property. In the past, I have felt he has not taking

:42:40. > :42:43.this seriously, will he acknowledge this is a problem and a national

:42:44. > :42:47.scandal and it is his job to do something about it? It is well -- it

:42:48. > :42:54.is welcome all infants will have free school meals this week. That

:42:55. > :42:59.will be welcome and down the country and 99% of schools are providing

:43:00. > :43:05.those. -- up and down. The wet -- the best way is to get more people

:43:06. > :43:08.into work, and we are doing, and to make sure the economy grows and

:43:09. > :43:13.delivers for hard-working people. I know Labour wants this narrative

:43:14. > :43:19.about inequality and let me give statistics to show why it is not

:43:20. > :43:23.true. There are 300,000 fewer children in poverty than when Labour

:43:24. > :43:28.were in office. Inequality in our country has gone down and not up.

:43:29. > :43:31.One of the most serious causes of poverty, long-term youth

:43:32. > :43:35.unemployment, is lower than when this Government came to office, that

:43:36. > :43:42.is how we are changing people's lives. Does he agree their friends

:43:43. > :43:48.in the Middle East is share a commitment to peaceful change? --

:43:49. > :43:52.who share. From Palestine, to the elected governments of Kurdistan and

:43:53. > :43:58.Libya and they must by now be finding British support

:43:59. > :44:03.inconsistent, fragmented and not strategic, is it not time for a more

:44:04. > :44:09.strategic strategy? I do not agree with the honourable gentleman. This

:44:10. > :44:13.Government has massively increased engagement with Middle Eastern

:44:14. > :44:17.states. Everybody knows our view is in favour of democracy and human

:44:18. > :44:23.rights and the building blocks of democracy. We do not believe you can

:44:24. > :44:27.drop democracy out of the back of an aeroplane, it needs to be built. We

:44:28. > :44:32.engage with all those states in order to maximise not just our

:44:33. > :44:38.influence but the chance of regional stability in that vital area. Does

:44:39. > :44:44.the Prime Minister share public concern that terrible abuse can

:44:45. > :44:50.happen to children, most recently the 1400 sexually abused girls in

:44:51. > :44:55.Rotherham? Yet directors of social services and other senior officers

:44:56. > :45:02.pay no penalty and often move on to higher paid jobs. Surely if the

:45:03. > :45:06.contracts of the people at the top mean they cannot be sacked in such

:45:07. > :45:12.circumstances, may be the contracts need looking at?

:45:13. > :45:18.I agree entirely with what the honourable lady has said, what we

:45:19. > :45:22.see in Rotherham is shocking, it demonstrates a failure in the local

:45:23. > :45:26.government system there, in the children's services department and

:45:27. > :45:29.in policing and all of those issues need to be addressed, which is why I

:45:30. > :45:33.have asked the Home Secretary to chair a group of ministers about how

:45:34. > :45:36.we learn lessons even before we get the enquiry fully underway. Where I

:45:37. > :45:40.think the honourable lady is absolutely right, local authorities,

:45:41. > :45:44.when they employ these people, should look carefully at contracts

:45:45. > :45:48.and make sure that if people do not do the job properly they can be

:45:49. > :45:52.removed, it is absolutely vital. You cannot police all of this from

:45:53. > :45:55.Whitehall, local government has responsibility for the people it

:45:56. > :46:02.employs and should hold them to account. Can I concur with the Prime

:46:03. > :46:07.Minister's earlier comments on the appalling barbaric behaviour and say

:46:08. > :46:11.that we all stand right behind him. If net migration into the UK

:46:12. > :46:16.continues at present levels, we can fill a sissy the size of Leeds every

:46:17. > :46:20.three years. -- city the size of Leeds. This is not only

:46:21. > :46:23.unsustainable but potentially destabilising. Does my right

:46:24. > :46:28.honourable friend agree with me that the sooner we adopt a Visa only

:46:29. > :46:32.system for all foreign nationals, including those from the EU,

:46:33. > :46:38.allowing the sovereign parliament to decide who settled here, the better.

:46:39. > :46:42.First of all can I thank my honourable friend about what he says

:46:43. > :46:48.about the stand that we must all take against terror and terrorism

:46:49. > :46:52.and Isil. We have done a huge amount to restrict migration from outside

:46:53. > :46:56.the European Union. Figures are down by almost 30% since we came to

:46:57. > :47:01.office. We have closed down 700 bogus colleges and introduced an

:47:02. > :47:03.academic limit. We must do more. Freedom of movement is an important

:47:04. > :47:07.principle but it is not an unqualified right and it should not

:47:08. > :47:11.be the freedom of movement to claim benefits. We should also make sure

:47:12. > :47:13.that when new member states join the European Union we do not necessarily

:47:14. > :47:17.have transitional controls which simply last for a number of years,

:47:18. > :47:21.we should have transitional controls which make sure they will not have

:47:22. > :47:24.full access to markets until their economies are of a radically

:47:25. > :47:30.different size and shape. Angus Roberts on. The most recent UK

:47:31. > :47:34.Ambassador to NATO, Dame Marriot Leslie, has today said that an

:47:35. > :47:38.independent Scotland would be welcome in NATO and that she is

:47:39. > :47:46.voting yes on the referendum. -- Angus Robertson. Earlier this year,

:47:47. > :47:50.the Prime Minister gave a commitment on Scottish television to take part

:47:51. > :47:54.in a programme with undecided voters before the referendum. Will he be

:47:55. > :47:59.doing that or will he be running away just as he ran away from the

:48:00. > :48:02.First Minister in a debate? On the television programme on sky

:48:03. > :48:05.television I offered them a date and a format, but they seemed to run

:48:06. > :48:09.away themselves, that is a great pity.

:48:10. > :48:16.On NATO, I prefer to listen to Lord Robertson, secretary-general of

:48:17. > :48:20.NATO, knee is absolutely clear that Scotland will be better off inside

:48:21. > :48:24.the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom will be better off with

:48:25. > :48:26.Scotland. The problem with the right honourable gentleman, when it comes

:48:27. > :48:34.to all of the big questions, currency, position in NATO, position

:48:35. > :48:35.in the European Union... They have not been able to provide a single

:48:36. > :48:50.credible answer. Does the Prime Minister agree with

:48:51. > :48:53.me that it is unacceptable to prevent the sale of kosher goods and

:48:54. > :48:59.goods made in Israel, as this conflict is the policy of the

:49:00. > :49:03.Israeli government with Judaism and leads to a rise in anti-Semitism.

:49:04. > :49:07.What assurances can be given that this government is going to address

:49:08. > :49:11.boycotts and anti-Semitism in the United Kingdom. We have been very

:49:12. > :49:15.clear that we do not support boycotts, we do not support measures

:49:16. > :49:20.that are intended to delegitimise the state of Israel, which has a

:49:21. > :49:23.right to exist. We argue it has a right to peace within its proper

:49:24. > :49:30.borders. I do think he makes an important point: We should be

:49:31. > :49:34.absolutely clear, you can criticise Israel and the Israeli government

:49:35. > :49:40.for its actions. Without being anti-Semitic. But we have seen in

:49:41. > :49:43.recent weeks is a rise in anti-Semitic attacks in this country

:49:44. > :49:50.and that is unacceptable as I said on Monday. Could refer the Prime

:49:51. > :49:53.Minister to events in Rotherham: Does the Prime Minister agree that a

:49:54. > :49:56.common thread in the awful picture from Rotherham that has been

:49:57. > :50:02.referred to earlier, and the dreadful plight of the young boy

:50:03. > :50:05.this week, is that the relevant authorities can all too often be

:50:06. > :50:09.driven by considerations other than the best interest of the child? To

:50:10. > :50:13.reflect this sad lesson for all of us, will you agree to amend the

:50:14. > :50:16.modern slavery Bill, to provide for independent child guardians who

:50:17. > :50:21.would be charged with reflecting the best interests of the child to all

:50:22. > :50:26.of the relevant authorities and services? I'm very proud of the fact

:50:27. > :50:31.this government is introducing the modern slavery Bill, it is a girl I

:50:32. > :50:36.support and I shall look carefully at specific suggestions made.

:50:37. > :50:41.Commenting briefly on the other point: To be fair to the authorities

:50:42. > :50:45.involved, in the case of the young boy, they all want to do the best

:50:46. > :50:48.for the child, that is what they are thinking of, but what happened is

:50:49. > :50:53.that decisions were taken that were not correct and did not shine with a

:50:54. > :50:59.sense of common sense and that fortunately has been put right. What

:51:00. > :51:02.all of us in public life and public office have got to do is look at

:51:03. > :51:12.legal requirements but also make a judgement, and those judgements can

:51:13. > :51:16.sometimes be all-important. If the respected Hampshire Police can use

:51:17. > :51:19.the European arrest warrant to create an injustice, can my right

:51:20. > :51:22.honourable friend have any confidence that other member states

:51:23. > :51:25.with less well-developed legal systems will not use the arrest

:51:26. > :51:32.warrant for worse purposes in future? What I say to my honourable

:51:33. > :51:35.friend, I respect his arguments, police have got to make their

:51:36. > :51:38.judgements and as I have just said, they do not always get them right.

:51:39. > :51:44.The question we must ask ourselves in this house: We have got to think

:51:45. > :51:47.about a situation potentially where a terrorist has attacked this

:51:48. > :51:51.country and is on the run through Europe to other countries. And how

:51:52. > :51:55.quickly we want to be able to get that person back in front of our

:51:56. > :52:00.courts to face British justice. This is not an imaginary set of

:52:01. > :52:03.circumstances, this is exactly what happened in 2005, after the dreadful

:52:04. > :52:09.London bombings. We do need to think about this. I'm all for making sure

:52:10. > :52:13.that powers flow from Brussels to London and they have in the case of

:52:14. > :52:17.Justice and home affairs where we have repatriated over 100 measures.

:52:18. > :52:21.I also want to be a Prime Minister who can British people in the eye

:52:22. > :52:24.and say that we will keep you safe from serious crime and crime and

:52:25. > :52:30.terrorism and have people back in front of British courts as soon as

:52:31. > :52:37.possible. We now know that in the event of separation, Scotland would

:52:38. > :52:40.no longer... That was a good laugh... ! LAUGHTER

:52:41. > :52:46.Would no longer have a formal currency with the rest of the UK. In

:52:47. > :52:50.response, the First Minister has said that an independent Scotland

:52:51. > :52:54.would default on its share of the national debt. What would be the

:52:55. > :52:59.consequences of such a direct was approached towards the people of

:53:00. > :53:03.Scotland? It is one of the most chilling things that has been said

:53:04. > :53:06.in this referendum campaign, that a separate Scotland would consider

:53:07. > :53:10.defaulting on its debt. We know what happens if you do not pay your

:53:11. > :53:14.debts, nobody will lend you any money unless you pay a punitive

:53:15. > :53:18.interest rates. We all know what that means for homeowners, much

:53:19. > :53:22.higher mortgage rates. For businesses, crippling interest

:53:23. > :53:26.rates. Those are the consequences of what the separatists are proposing.

:53:27. > :53:34.We need to get that message out loud and clear in the coming days. Fall

:53:35. > :53:38.of the reasons that have been given, if we were to lose the union, that

:53:39. > :53:48.would not only be a disaster for Scotland, but a national humiliation

:53:49. > :53:52.of catastrophic proportions. But hats we have been a bit complacent

:53:53. > :53:55.up until now. I urge the three party leaders, in the next three weeks, to

:53:56. > :53:58.drop everything else and stand shoulder to shoulder to fight for

:53:59. > :54:05.the union that we love and believe in. I think my honourable friend...

:54:06. > :54:14.Order, please, Mr McNeil, you are a thoroughly decent chap, but you are

:54:15. > :54:17.a very over excitable individual. You should calm down, you aspire to

:54:18. > :54:22.be a statesman, try behaving like one! Now, the Prime Minister. I

:54:23. > :54:26.agree with my honourable friend about the importance of this

:54:27. > :54:29.referendum, what I would say is that I think the leaders of the parties

:54:30. > :54:33.in this house have all put aside their differences. And they have

:54:34. > :54:37.said, in spite of the political differences we have, we all agree

:54:38. > :54:40.about one thing. Not just that Scotland is better off inside the

:54:41. > :54:44.United Kingdom but that the United Kingdom is better off with Scotland

:54:45. > :54:48.inside. Perhaps as well as being leader of the Conservative Party and

:54:49. > :54:51.Prime Minister, as the member of Parliament for an English seat, I

:54:52. > :54:54.say on behalf of everyone in England and I believe in Wales and Northern

:54:55. > :55:01.Ireland, we want Scotland to stay! CHEERING

:55:02. > :55:03.Prime Minister, we are all very aware of your interest in the Middle

:55:04. > :55:10.East and particularly Iraq, and since we were last here,

:55:11. > :55:12.particularly the last 24 hours. Muscle, Christians have been

:55:13. > :55:18.displaced, threatened with beheading, they have been told,

:55:19. > :55:23.convert or die. -- in Mosul. Surely we should do more, and there should

:55:24. > :55:28.be additional sanctions against Isil. We should do everything we can

:55:29. > :55:34.to protect persecuted minorities including Christians and the

:55:35. > :55:37.Yazidis. We have been delivering him and Terry on eight through military

:55:38. > :55:42.assets, through RAF aeroplanes, working with others to make sure

:55:43. > :55:45.they are protected. As part of that strategy we should work with the

:55:46. > :55:48.Kurdish and others to make sure that Isil can be beaten back and to make

:55:49. > :55:54.sure Christians and others are not persecuted. Increasing numbers of

:55:55. > :55:59.British families are leaving the UK like the family of Ashya King

:56:00. > :56:02.because they think they will get a fair trial in family courts abroad

:56:03. > :56:07.rather than here. Should Parliament look at the reasons for this? We do

:56:08. > :56:12.regularly debate in this house, family law. This government has made

:56:13. > :56:16.some amendments to family law of the long debates within government and

:56:17. > :56:18.within this house and it is arguing that there should be further

:56:19. > :56:24.parliamentary opportunities. There are backbench days and other

:56:25. > :56:28.opportunities to raise these issues. Given that that they present given

:56:29. > :56:32.to him from the member for Clacton, how many more birth day surprises is

:56:33. > :56:38.he expecting from his Tory backbenchers? LAUGHTER

:56:39. > :56:41.I'm sure I shall be getting allsorts of pleasant surprises on my

:56:42. > :56:44.birthday! LAUGHTER These do not spoil it by letting me

:56:45. > :56:50.know what they are! LAUGHTER CHEERING

:56:51. > :56:54.-- please, do not spoil it by letting me know what they are!

:56:55. > :56:57.LAUGHTER Scotland is important, many are

:56:58. > :57:00.concerned that Alex Salmond and the Yes campaign have failed to provide

:57:01. > :57:04.a plan B issue of currency should Scotland become independent. Does

:57:05. > :57:07.the Prime Minister agree with me that the voters of Scotland need to

:57:08. > :57:11.know what plan B is before they vote, and if they cannot get a clear

:57:12. > :57:17.answer, they should say, no thanks, to separation. My honourable friend

:57:18. > :57:19.makes a good point, those of us who believe in the United Kingdom can

:57:20. > :57:23.answer all of these questions, we can answer what the United Kingdom

:57:24. > :57:26.will look like in the future. Those arguing for separation have not

:57:27. > :57:30.answered these questions, their most recent effort to say that somehow

:57:31. > :57:33.Scotland would go one using the pound sterling but not be part of a

:57:34. > :57:37.monetary union, that got a rebuff yesterday from the European

:57:38. > :57:41.Commissioner, he said that on that basis, they would not be able to be

:57:42. > :57:43.members of the European Union. Yet again, another piece of the puzzle

:57:44. > :57:55.completely falls away. Peter Hain. Isn't the truth that

:57:56. > :58:00.Isil will not be beaten without air strikes in Syria as well, and that

:58:01. > :58:05.means engaging, however unpalatable, with the regime in Iran, as well as

:58:06. > :58:11.the Saudis, and perhaps a route to resolving the bitter and dangerous

:58:12. > :58:17.Sunni conflicts in the region, because ultimately, Isis poses a

:58:18. > :58:21.bigger threat to the nations in the region than it does to us. A couple

:58:22. > :58:25.of points, I respect your views, first of all, I would argue that

:58:26. > :58:32.brutality Bashar al-Assad has been one of the things that has helped to

:58:33. > :58:36.generate the appalling regime which is represented by Isis. -- I would

:58:37. > :58:39.argue that the brutality of Bashar al-Assad. The second thing, what we

:58:40. > :58:43.want to see, we are consistent across the piece on this, democratic

:58:44. > :58:47.government, pluralistic and representing all of their people

:58:48. > :58:52.taking place. We want to see that in Iraq, which is why we support the

:58:53. > :58:55.Prime Minister in his attempts to build an inclusive government, and

:58:56. > :58:58.we should support attempts in Syria to have a democratic transition to a

:58:59. > :59:09.regime which can represent everyone in Syria. Jihadi crimes committed in

:59:10. > :59:12.the names of this state... BOOING I welcome the plans announced by my

:59:13. > :59:15.right honourable friend, to seize British passports from dual

:59:16. > :59:19.nationals and remove rights of residency in the UK from foreign

:59:20. > :59:23.nationals known to have been fighting with Isil in Iraq and

:59:24. > :59:25.Syria, to keep such people from committing terrorist atrocities in

:59:26. > :59:30.the UK. What progress has the government made concerning jihadi 's

:59:31. > :59:33.with only British citizenship who might insist you and believe have

:59:34. > :59:38.forfeited their right to return to the UK, even though they may be

:59:39. > :59:44.rendered stateless and deprived of citizenship. -- have forfeited their

:59:45. > :59:50.right to return to the UK. -- my constituents believe. News right to

:59:51. > :59:53.say, people across the country, not just Dudley South, take a basic view

:59:54. > :59:58.that if you leave this country, you travel to the heart of Iraq, you

:59:59. > :00:01.declare you are in favour of some so-called Islamic State, and that is

:00:02. > :00:06.the country you want to be a part of, that you should forfeit

:00:07. > :00:10.effectively your right to come back. -- he is right to say. People feel

:00:11. > :00:16.that, they feel it deeply, that is why they should say that we need to

:00:17. > :00:19.look at this, not just exclude foreign nationals, not just British

:00:20. > :00:22.citizenship, but those British citizens that make the statements

:00:23. > :00:27.should be stopped from coming back to this country. Diana Johnson. My

:00:28. > :00:34.constituent, Christine Nicholson, is trapped in northern Iraq, unable to

:00:35. > :00:38.travel home. -- Christian. Will you look at his case and see what more

:00:39. > :00:44.can be done to expedite his return, as well as issuing new travel

:00:45. > :00:48.documents if necessary? I'm very happy to look at the Honourable

:00:49. > :00:51.Lady's case and I'm sure that the Secretary will have been listening

:00:52. > :00:55.to that and let me take the opportunity to commend the work the

:00:56. > :00:58.Foreign Office commission do, often armed bank, supporting those who get

:00:59. > :01:03.stuck in different countries and indeed, supporting families whose

:01:04. > :01:08.loved ones have been taken hostage. We are focused upon Iraq today, but

:01:09. > :01:11.since I have been Prime Minister, there have been hostages taken in

:01:12. > :01:15.countries like Nigeria and Somalia. We often do not hear about that

:01:16. > :01:20.work, because it is better to keep names and identities from the

:01:21. > :01:24.public. It is very important to know that when this happens, meetings of

:01:25. > :01:28.COBRA are held. I take a personal interest in each and every one of

:01:29. > :01:30.these cases to work out what we can do to help bring people home and

:01:31. > :01:46.resolve dreadful complex situations. Libya is in disturbance, Gaza,

:01:47. > :01:50.Israel, the appalling illegal annexation of Crimea by a blood and

:01:51. > :01:55.a Putin, and yet we have not had a proper opportunity to discuss this.

:01:56. > :01:58.Is it time now for a two-day debate, and before the house rises for the

:01:59. > :02:02.party conference recess, a full debate to discuss these matters? I

:02:03. > :02:06.think my honourable friend is right, we live in a very troubled

:02:07. > :02:09.and difficult world with huge changes taking place, as you have

:02:10. > :02:13.mentioned, some of the specific areas. In consultation with the

:02:14. > :02:17.leader of the house, there is going to be a full day 's debate as soon

:02:18. > :02:20.as next Wednesday, which will give honourable members the chance to

:02:21. > :02:24.speak about these issues. I'm sure there will be other subsequent

:02:25. > :02:29.opportunity to look at the specific questions he has raised.

:02:30. > :02:34.Horrific, vile and disgusting abuse suffered by children in my

:02:35. > :02:38.constituency should never put have been allowed to happen, the victims

:02:39. > :02:42.do not have the support they have, the minerals are on the streets.

:02:43. > :02:43.Child sex exploitation is not just an issue in Rotherham, it is a

:02:44. > :02:56.national issue. I Would like to commend the

:02:57. > :02:59.Honourable Lady, she is right to speak in a way that she does, this

:03:00. > :03:04.has affected not just Rotherham, there was a dreadful place in

:03:05. > :03:09.Oxford, near to my constituency, of a very similar nature, with similar

:03:10. > :03:12.failings in the systems. As I have announced, the Home Secretary will

:03:13. > :03:15.be leading this committee of ministers to draw together the

:03:16. > :03:19.response, and the announcement of the person who will lead the broader

:03:20. > :03:21.child abuse enquiry is going to be made in the coming days.

:03:22. > :03:28.This is vital. We have got to ask a series of questions about how

:03:29. > :03:33.individual services have failed. There is the issue of whether these

:03:34. > :03:36.problems were ignored, echoes of concerns about racism and political

:03:37. > :03:42.correctness, but I also think that there is a big concern that

:03:43. > :03:44.sometimes, the police and other agencies were ignoring these people,

:03:45. > :03:50.because they somehow felt they were beyond the pale. That offends all

:03:51. > :03:53.our senses of human decency, that none of these people, none of these

:03:54. > :03:59.children should be left behind by the society. Last but not least,

:04:00. > :04:03.Menzies Campbell. My right honourable friend, will be aware

:04:04. > :04:08.that often when hostage cases arise, there is a suggestion that

:04:09. > :04:11.ransom should be paid. Should those who advance that case take account

:04:12. > :04:16.of the fact that the money achieved by Iran Sim is not distributed among

:04:17. > :04:20.the impoverished citizens of Gaza, rather, it is used to purchase

:04:21. > :04:26.weapons, to finance the training and maintenance of those who are willing

:04:27. > :04:34.to use them, and otherwise to advance the malevolent objectives of

:04:35. > :04:38.terrorism. -- the money achieved by ransom. There is no doubt in my mind

:04:39. > :04:41.that the many tens of millions of dollars that Isil have raised from

:04:42. > :04:47.ransom payments is going into promoting terrorism including

:04:48. > :04:51.terrorism affecting our own country. At the G8, I launched an initiative

:04:52. > :04:54.to try to get other countries to sign up to a very clear doctrine

:04:55. > :05:00.that in the case of terrorist kidnap, no ransom should be paid.

:05:01. > :05:05.Britain continues with this policy, America continues with this policy,

:05:06. > :05:09.but we need Juri Ide to make sure that other countries are good to

:05:10. > :05:19.their word. -- but we need to redouble efforts. So the first Prime

:05:20. > :05:23.Minister's Questions comes to an end and it was a quiet and sombre

:05:24. > :05:29.affair. I cannot remember a time when exchanges were heard in such

:05:30. > :05:36.silence which is only fitting given a British citizen is a risk of being

:05:37. > :05:41.beheaded in Iraq at the moment. There was largely front bench

:05:42. > :05:46.unanimity on the situation in the Middle East. A statement of support

:05:47. > :05:51.from Ed Miliband. Questions about various matters which the Prime

:05:52. > :05:59.Minister has not yet and said but he said that he would. Ed Miliband is

:06:00. > :06:00.calling on Britain to use its position on the UN Security Council

:06:01. > :06:02.to position on the UN Security Council

:06:03. > :06:09.bring international pressure to bear on this. It did not take us further

:06:10. > :06:15.forward on any British response to events and -- in Iraq or to help

:06:16. > :06:19.this country would handle the return of jihad is but the Prime Minister

:06:20. > :06:31.thought it was permissible to take away the passports of those who had

:06:32. > :06:40.been fighting for the Islamic State. We come back to that in a minute. --

:06:41. > :06:43.jihadis. The second issue was Scotland, with MPs on both sides

:06:44. > :06:49.raising issues for the Prime Minister. What about by the fact the

:06:50. > :06:52.polls are narrowing and the realisation on the pro union side

:06:53. > :06:57.that they need to get their act together. The prime Minster made

:06:58. > :07:02.arguments and he was asked, should all the party leaders not drop

:07:03. > :07:06.everything for the next two weeks and campaign in Scotland? He thought

:07:07. > :07:13.it was a good idea to give it up by Verity. He did not suggest himself

:07:14. > :07:22.and Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg should go to campaign for the union

:07:23. > :07:28.-- give it a priority. Viewers were commenting on the UK

:07:29. > :07:32.response to crisis. This set, Cameron and Ed Miliband should be

:07:33. > :07:38.applauded, a reminder we are stronger united and -- undivided, I

:07:39. > :07:48.hope Scotland was listening -- this message says. A lot of people are

:07:49. > :07:55.code that. -- echoed. How about charging jihadis with treason when

:07:56. > :08:00.they return, they says? David says, if these executioners do have

:08:01. > :08:04.British passports, we should not prevent them from entering the UK

:08:05. > :08:08.again, we want them under observation and is not running loose

:08:09. > :08:14.slitting throats of hostages. And this, both the Prime Minister and Ed

:08:15. > :08:20.Miliband talked about defeating terrorists, with what? Only

:08:21. > :08:23.humanitarian aid? They are in a deluded and parallel world, in fear

:08:24. > :08:29.of something. James, the Prime Minister floated

:08:30. > :08:34.the idea over the weekend and it was mentioned again that one possible

:08:35. > :08:41.option would be for those richest citizens, pure natural born British

:08:42. > :08:49.citizens who have gone to fight for Islamic State, that we would not let

:08:50. > :08:53.them back in -- British. A number of legal authorities said we could not

:08:54. > :09:00.get away with that. He said he still thought it was legally promote --

:09:01. > :09:04.permissible, what do we know? I have been asking, why is the government

:09:05. > :09:09.thinking this is a possibility? One reason is that the law is not clear.

:09:10. > :09:15.There is not much case law, there is uncertainty about what the court

:09:16. > :09:20.would say if it were to be tested. So there is uncertainty. It is not

:09:21. > :09:26.clear whether you are talking about you when conventions, European,

:09:27. > :09:32.domestic law. The second point is -- UN conventions. The second point is

:09:33. > :09:40.that a UN convention said, do not make people stateless. But there are

:09:41. > :09:46.certain circumstances when a state can render somebody stateless. So if

:09:47. > :09:52.you have done something seriously prejudicial to your own state. The

:09:53. > :09:57.question is, does that exception give them some room for manoeuvre?

:09:58. > :10:05.Or that any areas where you could? -- of their areas. Prime Minster

:10:06. > :10:09.gave us a clue. -- of any areas. He talked about people who leave the UK

:10:10. > :10:14.and to pledge allegiance to another country. If we reach a stage where

:10:15. > :10:18.the caliphate, the Islamic State, is given recognised legal status, that

:10:19. > :10:23.could become the state to which somebody could be deprived of the

:10:24. > :10:30.House macro citizenship and told, that is now your state. -- British

:10:31. > :10:36.citizenship. The Prime Minister believes it is possible. If it was

:10:37. > :10:43.possible to stop these people coming back in, should we not do that? It

:10:44. > :10:47.is not possible. I do not know what lawyers he has been talking to, it

:10:48. > :10:52.is not what David Anderson says and he is that adviser on terrorism. We

:10:53. > :10:58.had a discussion about the importance of international law, you

:10:59. > :11:00.cannot pick and choose. Most people watching this would be less

:11:01. > :11:05.concerned about international law and more concerned these people have

:11:06. > :11:15.beheaded American and British citizens and that they will come

:11:16. > :11:20.back and do us harm. Laws do not always keep a safe on the streets of

:11:21. > :11:25.this country. So if it was possible to prevent these people coming back

:11:26. > :11:30.in, should we not try to do that? This is a battle between ideologies.

:11:31. > :11:36.It is a battle to keep our streets safe! We are not to lose our central

:11:37. > :11:45.ideology will stop the Prime Minister said about the importance

:11:46. > :11:51.of a rule of law. -- ideology. The rule of law is to keep you pull safe

:11:52. > :11:58.in our churches, streets, underground, not a UN convention

:11:59. > :12:02.knows about -- nobody knows about. -- to keep people safe. If they have

:12:03. > :12:07.pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, why should they be let back

:12:08. > :12:13.in? We should prosecute these people for treason. If people have been

:12:14. > :12:17.waging war elsewhere, they should be put on trial in this country. We

:12:18. > :12:22.cannot have across the world... It is no good for there to be a group

:12:23. > :12:29.of people who are stateless. It does no good. But they have pledged

:12:30. > :12:34.allegiance to the Islamic State. If that is what they like, let them

:12:35. > :12:38.stay. Do not let them back into this country, what is wrong with that?

:12:39. > :12:44.The Islamic State is not a recognised state. So you are saying

:12:45. > :12:52.we should start bring up on people's nationality? -- giving got.

:12:53. > :12:56.Other countries will also do that. When we send back people, people

:12:57. > :13:02.will say, we are not having them. A lot of people will think, if people

:13:03. > :13:11.are coming back to bombers, why should they get their nationality

:13:12. > :13:15.back? -- to one is. I understand, but you cannot make people

:13:16. > :13:19.stateless. There would be anarchy. Countries would say, I do not like

:13:20. > :13:25.the look of you, where will they end up? They will be members of the

:13:26. > :13:30.Islamic State! So you are saying we should chuck out to people we do not

:13:31. > :13:34.like the look of? They will end up in the Islamic State who will have

:13:35. > :13:38.nothing to lose but to fight for that. We have not thrown them out,

:13:39. > :13:44.they went there of their own volition to form a caliphate of my

:13:45. > :13:50.dear -- of medieval barbarity. Why should we let them back in? I am not

:13:51. > :13:55.saying anybody wants to let them in or I have any sympathy with it, but

:13:56. > :14:00.the law is the law. We have been signed up since 1966 and we have

:14:01. > :14:02.agreed with the rest of the world that you cannot make people

:14:03. > :14:07.stateless because it is no good for an individual country or the welfare

:14:08. > :14:13.of the world for people to be stateless. If they were to blow up

:14:14. > :14:20.their citizens? We will arrest them and prosecute them. That did not

:14:21. > :14:24.work in 77, some of them were trained in terrorist camps in

:14:25. > :14:29.Afghanistan and they came and did us harm -- 7/7. We have to gather

:14:30. > :14:33.evidence and ring them to law because in the end, the law is a

:14:34. > :14:38.protection for everybody. It is more important and it can protect us and

:14:39. > :14:45.we must not undermine it I putting out, in my view, putting out

:14:46. > :14:52.superficial briefings to get a political hit -- by putting out. It

:14:53. > :14:57.is not sustainable. One final thing, you think it is an affront to human

:14:58. > :15:02.rights we do not let these people back into this country, but you are

:15:03. > :15:08.prepared to put them under a form of internal ex-oil -- internal

:15:09. > :15:16.ex-I'll, which is what your control orders would do. -- eternal Exiles.

:15:17. > :15:20.Why is that not an affront to human rights but letting them back in is?

:15:21. > :15:26.If somebody has a British nationality, we cannot and do an

:15:27. > :15:34.agreement that has stood good for 50 years. It is a compromise that needs

:15:35. > :15:41.to be made. So you can compromise? Of course, because it is the duty of

:15:42. > :15:48.a state to protect its citizens. The main way you do that is to have a

:15:49. > :15:51.respect for the law. Is this now under serious consideration, given

:15:52. > :15:58.the number of legal authorities, and the voice of the lip -- and the

:15:59. > :16:05.voice of the coalition parties, that it is not a runner? Thank goodness

:16:06. > :16:11.and is not attorney general. We need to look at all options. If I can

:16:12. > :16:18.just finish. We need to do everything we can to protect British

:16:19. > :16:21.citizens. That is the first duty of any government. If that requires

:16:22. > :16:25.changing the law, of course we should do that. If that requires

:16:26. > :16:30.looking into the detail of long-standing international

:16:31. > :16:34.agreements, we need to do that. But should we explore every option to be

:16:35. > :16:39.able to keep people who have gone and declared their allegiance to an

:16:40. > :16:45.international body that likes to think of itself as a state, although

:16:46. > :16:48.not recognised as a state, and of course we should. Because the

:16:49. > :16:55.priority for everybody in government has to be to protect British

:16:56. > :16:58.citizens. Is that difficult? Yes, it may well be difficult, but should it

:16:59. > :17:06.be seriously considered and not thrown away as an idea? Of course it

:17:07. > :17:11.should. Has this Government, if you are going to go down that road and

:17:12. > :17:16.you have heard from Emily the roadblocks in the way, does this

:17:17. > :17:21.Government have the backbone to take on the British legal establishment,

:17:22. > :17:22.the European legal establishment and the United Nations legal

:17:23. > :17:35.establishment? We have made progress in some areas

:17:36. > :17:39.already, getting rid of Abu Katahdin, four years we were told it

:17:40. > :17:50.was not possible, legally, and yet Theresa May managed to do it. -- Abu

:17:51. > :17:54.Qatada. Have you really got the backbone to take on these three

:17:55. > :17:59.powerful establishment? Have we got the backbone to protect British

:18:00. > :18:05.citizens on the streets, yes, and we will not be put out by knee jerk

:18:06. > :18:10.negativism. The most important thing that came out of the queues, the

:18:11. > :18:15.full support from the Labour leader for the action that we are taking.

:18:16. > :18:19.He used the phrase... You do not know what you are getting in. White

:18:20. > :18:21.he said, " that is interesting, Prime Minister, we will look at what

:18:22. > :18:29.you come up with. He said that he would give the

:18:30. > :18:37.government his full support, that was much stronger language. My

:18:38. > :18:41.instinct, it is interesting what you said about the nuances and potential

:18:42. > :18:45.loopholes and possible ways around, my instinct is that when they look

:18:46. > :18:53.at this, they will decide, it is actually a melting to hi to climb.

:18:54. > :18:58.And one reason why, Europe, I hate to mention it. There is a European

:18:59. > :19:02.dimension to this, there is now a legal concept of EU nationality.

:19:03. > :19:04.There is a fear that if you render somebody stateless and say they are

:19:05. > :19:08.no longer a British citizen, they could go to the courts and they

:19:09. > :19:14.complain they are an EU citizen and by depriving them of British

:19:15. > :19:16.citizenship, they are deprived of the European Union citizenship and

:19:17. > :19:20.that is a matter for the European courts. The Germans, the French, the

:19:21. > :19:26.Spanish, the Italians, they all face the same problems.

:19:27. > :19:34.Are we eating too much meat? I probably am, and everything else! On

:19:35. > :19:37.Monday scientists told us we should restrict diets to two portions of

:19:38. > :19:47.red meat and seven of poultry every week. That is not all.

:19:48. > :19:49.And that's not all, top boffins estimate greenhouse gases from food

:19:50. > :19:52.production will go up 80% if meat and dairy consumption continues to

:19:53. > :20:05.Here's the writer Bryan Appleyard's soapbox.

:20:06. > :20:10.I'm standing in the middle of a perfectly delicate farm, the kind we

:20:11. > :20:15.like to think produces all of our food, but that is not usually true,

:20:16. > :20:20.we often look back on the past with moral revulsion. How could the

:20:21. > :20:25.Victorians send the poor to the workhouse? How could people in the

:20:26. > :20:29.1960s, 70s and 80s turned their back on the sexual abuse of children by

:20:30. > :20:35.celebrities? How will we be found morally disgusting? One way might be

:20:36. > :20:39.in the treatment of animals. The animals on this farm are well

:20:40. > :20:42.treated and free to roam, but that is not the case for most of the

:20:43. > :20:47.animals we eat, they are tortured for their entire lives, living in

:20:48. > :20:50.near darkness in tiny cages and pens. Overdosed with drugs to make

:20:51. > :20:53.them grow quickly and they suffer continuous pain as a result. The

:20:54. > :20:59.quality of the meat produced is appalling. You may think this is sad

:21:00. > :21:04.but unavoidable. The world population is growing at people need

:21:05. > :21:07.to be fed. But in fact, factory farming of animals massively reduces

:21:08. > :21:12.the amount of food available for people. An area the size of Western

:21:13. > :21:16.Europe is now planted with cereals, to feed these industrially farmed

:21:17. > :21:22.animals, completely unnecessary. Feeding the cereals to humans would

:21:23. > :21:25.eliminate all world food shortages. Land is daily stolen from the very

:21:26. > :21:30.poor to give very low-grade meat to the relatively rich. The only reason

:21:31. > :21:34.we torture animals to death in factory farms is because the rich of

:21:35. > :21:37.the world like to eat meat, however bad it is. People in the future will

:21:38. > :21:45.see this as barbaric. Brian, from the Sunday Times,

:21:46. > :21:49.joining us now. Looking at solutions, are you advocating that

:21:50. > :21:57.more people should look at vegetarianism as a real option on a

:21:58. > :22:05.much broader scale? Or, a lot less meat? Vegetarianism is a red

:22:06. > :22:09.herring, we are talking about the treatment of animals. It is cruel,

:22:10. > :22:13.most people who witnessed it are traumatised, and it is also

:22:14. > :22:18.fantastically inefficient. The conversion of crops to animal food

:22:19. > :22:21.is at 3% efficiency! We are currently growing an area the size

:22:22. > :22:26.of Western Europe, just to grow food for the animals. If there was less

:22:27. > :22:30.demand for the meat, there would not be the call for mega- farms, the bad

:22:31. > :22:35.treatment of the animals. Could you look at it that way? It would go up

:22:36. > :22:41.in price, of course, that would cut demand. That is the big problem, it

:22:42. > :22:45.is the price. Able are demanding cheaper food, we pay less for food

:22:46. > :22:55.than we did 20, 30 years ago, as my mother always tells me. That is

:22:56. > :23:02.market failure on a global scale. -- we are demanding cheaper food. Free

:23:03. > :23:09.market in the developed world -- developing world has shown the way

:23:10. > :23:14.forward. Do we need to persuade consumers to pay more, is it

:23:15. > :23:17.possible? One way or another they are going to have two anyway,

:23:18. > :23:21.because the price is going to go up anyway, because so much land, a lot

:23:22. > :23:27.of land is being taken for biofuels as well. That is going to happen

:23:28. > :23:30.anyway. This has been a political problem that is almost completely

:23:31. > :23:34.insoluble, people demand meet, especially the American diet, the

:23:35. > :23:44.hamburger, spreading further and further across the world. -- meat. I

:23:45. > :23:49.cannot imagine why, it is disgusting. You are not in fashion

:23:50. > :23:52.there. It is a badge of honour, being able to afford meat, it is a

:23:53. > :23:57.sign that you have joined the middle class, it is a status symbol. I'm

:23:58. > :24:04.not saying it is simple, just at the moment, the methods of eating, the

:24:05. > :24:08.diet, what kind of timescale are you talking about in terms of price

:24:09. > :24:17.rises. -- the methods of eating, the diet, it is catastrophic. What kind

:24:18. > :24:22.of timescale are you talking about in terms of price rises? It can be

:24:23. > :24:26.pretty quick, we are racing towards a crash crisis point. What about if

:24:27. > :24:35.you go on a diet, involved eating a lot of meat. No he is like an

:24:36. > :24:41.elephant, if you have ever heard of that... They never forget! That was

:24:42. > :24:46.the only comparison I wanted to say. I'm certainly not doing it right

:24:47. > :24:50.now. A quick look at what happened to John Bercow, a few minutes ago,

:24:51. > :24:54.after promised as questions. In light of your statement last Monday,

:24:55. > :24:59.I would be very grateful if you could clarify something, that is,

:25:00. > :25:03.the status of the letter that you sent to my right honourable friend,

:25:04. > :25:07.the Prime Minister... Given that there is a pause, and we cannot

:25:08. > :25:14.anticipate the outcome of that Paul's, what are you going to do, Mr

:25:15. > :25:18.Speaker, about the letter? Will you be withdrawing it until after the

:25:19. > :25:22.polls has been completed and decisions have flown from that, or

:25:23. > :25:31.will it float around in number ten until a relevant point? Why were the

:25:32. > :25:36.recruitment consultants prevented from telling the advisory panel

:25:37. > :25:40.which he referred to that the candidate, Carol Mills, was under

:25:41. > :25:49.two investigations by the Senate? Is it not the case that the recruitment

:25:50. > :25:54.consultants did not originally recommend that Carol Mills be

:25:55. > :25:59.considered? Unfortunately, but fairly predictably, the honourable

:26:00. > :26:06.gentleman is wrong. He is wrong on both counts. I set out the position

:26:07. > :26:10.very clearly on Monday afternoon, it was my responsibility and privilege

:26:11. > :26:14.to respond with courtesy and in detail two points of order on that

:26:15. > :26:18.occasion, sadly, it was a disadvantage to the house, the

:26:19. > :26:25.honourable gentleman was not present at that time. If he was, he chose

:26:26. > :26:30.not to rise to his feet. He has done so now, I have given him an answer.

:26:31. > :26:35.It is very clear. I think that the house will want to proceed with its

:26:36. > :26:38.business. That was the speaker, this is all a row about a new clerk of

:26:39. > :26:47.the house that John Bercow would like to appoint from Australia.

:26:48. > :26:51.Instead of what MPs think is a collection of very qualified people

:26:52. > :26:54.within the House of Commons. We can go to College Green. We are joined

:26:55. > :27:00.by the chairman of the speakers fan club... ! LAUGHTER

:27:01. > :27:06.Daily Mail columnist, Quentin Letts. Where are we now, where is

:27:07. > :27:10.this great thing going? PMQ 's went all right for John Bercow. Most of

:27:11. > :27:15.it was very sombre. It was going on with the foreign affairs. Then there

:27:16. > :27:19.was the difficult exchange of points of order, John Bercow handle that

:27:20. > :27:23.extremely badly, you could almost sense his authority wintering like

:27:24. > :27:26.chicken bones, terrible! Short passage of play for him when he was

:27:27. > :27:31.being questioned why Conservative backbenchers. He treated them with

:27:32. > :27:35.scorn and sarcasm and downright rudeness, not the way to do it, I do

:27:36. > :27:42.not think. He had a bad five minutes. Where do we go from here?

:27:43. > :27:45.We will go into further detail about how he was trying to nobble the

:27:46. > :27:48.selection of the new clerk of Parliament. What he was trying to do

:27:49. > :27:52.was stiff parliament, this is the speaker of the House of Commons,

:27:53. > :27:57.behaving like this. We will get further into the detail of it. I

:27:58. > :28:00.suspect in the end he will survive but his authority is in a terrible

:28:01. > :28:05.state and it is doing nothing for the dignity of Parliament. Sounds

:28:06. > :28:11.like the police are coming for him or for you, we shall leave it and we

:28:12. > :28:26.shall let the law take its course! Guess... 2010 is the answer! Press

:28:27. > :28:30.that big red buzzer! Who has one? Raj from Harrow!

:28:31. > :28:36.Thank you to all of the guests on the programme, the one o'clock News,

:28:37. > :28:41.BBC One. I shall be here again tomorrow, as usual, with all of the

:28:42. > :28:48.big stories of the day. I shall not be joining you, I'm afraid. She's

:28:49. > :28:54.taking a holiday, but you can count on me! I shall be back on Friday.

:28:55. > :29:07.Goodbye. about the breeding habits of

:29:08. > :29:12.Icelandic shellfish is back. OK, OK, it's ACTUALLY about

:29:13. > :29:18.the warm-beverage preference