:00:07. > :00:10.It's the final day of the Labour Party Conference here in
:00:11. > :00:13.Manchester, where people are mulling over the parts of Ed Miliband's
:00:14. > :00:16.speech he DIDN'T deliver, and contemplating the likelihood that
:00:17. > :00:58.Afternoon, folks, and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:59. > :01:00.More than 60 minutes, without a script, but he forgot to
:01:01. > :01:05.Or immigration. Or welfare.
:01:06. > :01:07.Yes, Ed Miliband's on the ropes over what he didn't say
:01:08. > :01:13.I'm here at Westminster, where we expect Parliament to be
:01:14. > :01:19.MPs will discuss whether or not British forces should take part
:01:20. > :01:23.in American-led military action against Islamic State extremists.
:01:24. > :01:25.David Cameron's expected to receive a formal request for help from the
:01:26. > :01:33.And we ask all the difficult questions.
:01:34. > :01:46.Is the Labour Conference all about socialism or socialising?
:01:47. > :01:50.Do you get wined and dined? I haven't so far, but if you are
:01:51. > :01:51.offering! All that in the next 60 minutes
:01:52. > :01:54.of the very finest public service First this morning, let's get
:01:55. > :02:00.the mood here in Manchester. There's been a bit of an exodus from
:02:01. > :02:04.the conference with Ed Miliband's speech out of the way, but we've got
:02:05. > :02:07.two journalists who are staying to the bitter end - Laura Pitel of the
:02:08. > :02:18.Times and James Lyons of the Mirror. Welcome to you both. Can you
:02:19. > :02:22.remember a fallout from a leader's speech like the one we have had this
:02:23. > :02:28.morning? I thought you were going to ask me if I could member anything!
:02:29. > :02:32.Everyone is a bit hung over. Speak for yourself! Miliband raised
:02:33. > :02:36.expectations in recent years, people were not sure what he would deliver
:02:37. > :02:40.and then he pull something out of a hat, but this time we were
:02:41. > :02:54.disappointed, no one is going to remember anything at all. It is
:02:55. > :02:57.always a high wire act to remember an 80 minute speech. He got away
:02:58. > :03:00.with it twice, indeed previously he set the political weather in time to
:03:01. > :03:03.come. You often fall of a high wire. I was there for Iain Duncan Smith's
:03:04. > :03:12.quiet man speech. This was not that. It was worse. It was not. That is a
:03:13. > :03:16.pretty low bar. That may be a fair point, but look, there is no doubt
:03:17. > :03:19.it will cause him problems that he has left it out, and I don't
:03:20. > :03:25.understand why he felt the need to do a speech for memory again, we
:03:26. > :03:29.know he can do it very powerfully. -- from memory. Perhaps this was
:03:30. > :03:35.time for him to stand up, Prime Minister in waiting, and do it that
:03:36. > :03:40.way. But he missed out the issues that matter. That's the problem.
:03:41. > :03:44.It's not that he missed out issues that come 10th or 11th or 12th in
:03:45. > :03:49.the polls, he missed out the issues that come first, second and third.
:03:50. > :03:54.He missed issues where he is under fire, so he has left an open goal
:03:55. > :03:57.for himself to be attacked. It feels like a major blunder. But I think
:03:58. > :04:01.you will be grateful this morning that there is an international
:04:02. > :04:05.crisis unfolding in Iraq and Syria because it has kept him off the
:04:06. > :04:10.front page and the news agendas. He will just be glad they can duck and
:04:11. > :04:14.hope that no one has noticed. Is that a consolation prize that you
:04:15. > :04:20.end up getting kept off the front page? He has had good headlines
:04:21. > :04:25.around health ahead of the speech. Keen to talk about the issues people
:04:26. > :04:29.care about. Health at the moment is third, sometimes second in the
:04:30. > :04:33.opinion polls. When people asked what is important to them. This
:04:34. > :04:37.conference was about getting labour in the top two issues as we go into
:04:38. > :04:41.the election, they see that as their trump card. Unfortunate that
:04:42. > :04:45.something leaked out a bit early. I asked a Labour insider before the
:04:46. > :04:50.speech, are we getting a rabbit? Ray said that there's been tucked and it
:04:51. > :04:52.is poking out of the hat a bit. A bit unfortunate but they have got
:04:53. > :04:57.the key message out there on the key message out there on
:04:58. > :05:03.health. 20,000 extra nurses, which Labour candidates can go and sell on
:05:04. > :05:11.the doorstep. These kind of promises from politicians... ? You have to
:05:12. > :05:15.make the case. The ?2.5 billion he is raising he is already spending on
:05:16. > :05:20.additional resources, whereas the Labour attack on the health service
:05:21. > :05:24.now is that there is a black hole in financing. Doesn't that ?2.5 billion
:05:25. > :05:29.have to fill the black hole before you can hire more nurses? Certainly
:05:30. > :05:33.some of it will have to, and we will be talking about more reform and the
:05:34. > :05:38.way the health service works to free up money, the sort of thing that
:05:39. > :05:44.Andy Burnham is talking about today. He has just had a standing
:05:45. > :05:50.ovation in the hall. He has. A very strong speech. Arguably the speech
:05:51. > :05:54.of the conference this morning from Harry Leslie Smith, a 91-year-old
:05:55. > :06:00.activist, who had them weeping in the aisles. The issue is not Labour,
:06:01. > :06:04.they are ahead in the polls and may have been ahead in the polls for a
:06:05. > :06:10.long time, it may have narrowed a bit but they are still ahead. The
:06:11. > :06:14.issue has been Mr Miliband, his ratings are way behind his parties,
:06:15. > :06:21.just as Mr Cameron's ratings are way ahead of his party. It feels like a
:06:22. > :06:24.missed opportunity. We heard from Labour, it was unfortunate that it
:06:25. > :06:28.came after Scotland when everyone is tired and there are other issues at
:06:29. > :06:32.the top of the news, but if you have problems with your leadership and
:06:33. > :06:35.you are accused of not being prime ministerial enough, a big speech is
:06:36. > :06:40.the opportunity to set against that. I don't know what he thinks on big
:06:41. > :06:45.issues like foreign policy, poor example. He could have set out his
:06:46. > :06:47.stall one way on the other -- or the other, but we are none the wiser.
:06:48. > :06:49.So, it's the afternoon after the afternoon before.
:06:50. > :06:52.Ed Miliband's speech, the bits in it, and bits not in it,
:06:53. > :06:54.have become the defining story of this conference.
:06:55. > :06:57.Let's hear what the Labour leader had to say to
:06:58. > :06:59.Louise Minchin on Breakfast this morning about failing to mention
:07:00. > :07:13.Did you forget that paragraph? The way I prepare these speeches is I
:07:14. > :07:18.write a speech and I don't exactly try and memorise it, I use it as a
:07:19. > :07:22.basis for what I might say. Some of it got left out. Sometimes I add
:07:23. > :07:26.bits. But I was very clear about our plans for the NHS that we wouldn't
:07:27. > :07:31.be borrowing a penny more to pay for it. I was clear about that
:07:32. > :07:36.innovation to the deficit. The deficit paragraph is printed, did
:07:37. > :07:40.you forget that paragraph? Yeah, I didn't do one part of the speech and
:07:41. > :07:45.I added other bits. You know, there is a choice, you could stand up and
:07:46. > :07:48.read out a preprepared speech... I find that actually doing it a
:07:49. > :07:54.different way, to speak from the top of your head, speak directly to
:07:55. > :07:59.people, is a better way for me to do these speeches. It is one of the
:08:00. > :08:05.perils of doing it. How high on your list of priorities is the deficit if
:08:06. > :08:08.you forgot it? Incredibly high. Ed Balls set out a clear plan for how
:08:09. > :08:11.we are going to get the deficit down and how we are going to get the
:08:12. > :08:15.national debt falling, how we are going to have the current budget
:08:16. > :08:19.surplus and no proposals in our manifesto for additional borrowing.
:08:20. > :08:23.That is why I said in relation to our plans to transform the NHS that
:08:24. > :08:25.we would raise the money from the wealthiest in our society, clamping
:08:26. > :08:32.down on tax avoidance get the change we need not from borrowing. You have
:08:33. > :08:35.called the next eight months a job interview for Prime Minister. Would
:08:36. > :08:38.you expect a future Prime Minister to remember what you have just
:08:39. > :08:42.called really important, the deficit? Yes, and I did, I talked
:08:43. > :08:47.about how we would not borrow more for the NHS. But look, people have
:08:48. > :08:50.to make their own judgements about this. I chose to give my speech as I
:08:51. > :08:54.have done for the last three years in this particular way. You can have
:08:55. > :08:58.politicians just reading out a speech... I think we have to change
:08:59. > :09:02.the way politics works, I think people want people to just come
:09:03. > :09:07.along and tell them what they think and that is what I did yesterday. If
:09:08. > :09:12.you did it again, would you mention the deficit? I am sure I would do it
:09:13. > :09:16.differently, even if I did it again today. I added bits that were not in
:09:17. > :09:19.the original text. That is the way I tend to do these speeches.
:09:20. > :09:21.And I'm joined now by the Shadow Leader of the House
:09:22. > :09:33.Welcome to the Daily Politics. The top two issues concerning the
:09:34. > :09:39.British people in the polls normally? The polls I have seen show
:09:40. > :09:43.that immigration and the economy are at the top, and the NHS rising
:09:44. > :09:47.extremely quickly. You are quite right, the NHS has been rising in
:09:48. > :09:56.third, but the polls ICS macroeconomy and immigration. -- IC
:09:57. > :09:59.is the economy. Why did he fail to mention them? He delivered the
:10:00. > :10:05.speech that he did, 67 minutes without notes. He left out three
:10:06. > :10:11.lines about the deficit, but you know... He left out more than that.
:10:12. > :10:14.He left out the issues that matter to the British people. Yvette Cooper
:10:15. > :10:19.is making a detailed speech about immigration and the Home Office
:10:20. > :10:24.amongst other things, and the issues there. But he is the man who would
:10:25. > :10:29.be Prime Minister. Ed Balls made a half-hour speech the day before,
:10:30. > :10:32.setting out the fact that Labour is absolutely determined to balance the
:10:33. > :10:38.books over the lifetime of the parliament, and get the deficit
:10:39. > :10:41.falling. The fact that Ed didn't mention the deficit in his speech
:10:42. > :10:45.yesterday does not change our determination to deliver, and we
:10:46. > :10:49.will do a lot better than a government that actually said it
:10:50. > :10:54.would balance the books by next year and is going to have a ?75 billion
:10:55. > :10:58.hole in the plans. All the more reason that if you win, you will
:10:59. > :11:06.inherit that. Absolutely, and Ed Balls was how league perfectly clear
:11:07. > :11:09.about that. We will come onto that. The people have a right to know what
:11:10. > :11:17.Mr Miliband would have said. We have put it up on the autocue. You want
:11:18. > :11:19.me to read it? In Ed's voice? No, your voice will be fine, it's the
:11:20. > :11:24.words that matter. "Friends, there won't be money to
:11:25. > :11:26.spend after the next election. Britain will be spending ?75 billion
:11:27. > :11:29.on the interest on our debt alone. That's more than
:11:30. > :11:32.the entire budget for our schools. So, as Ed Balls announced yesterday,
:11:33. > :11:34.Labour's plan is based Eliminating the deficit as soon
:11:35. > :11:38.as possible in the next parliament. borrowing. We will get the deficit
:11:39. > :11:51.down - immigration benefits our country but those who come here have
:11:52. > :11:55.a responsibility to learn English and earn their way, and employers
:11:56. > :12:11.have a responsibility not to exploit You have stopped reading now. I can
:12:12. > :12:15.stop reading now! Maybe I am doing a job interview for your job, Andrew!
:12:16. > :12:21.I thought you did that very well! These words are so important. It
:12:22. > :12:25.still baffles people that he couldn't remember them. He said on
:12:26. > :12:31.breakfast television he was the top of his head. He wasn't, he had
:12:32. > :12:37.memorised this speech. This is the style Ed likes to perform his
:12:38. > :12:43.speeches in. It is the way he has always done it. He has missed out
:12:44. > :12:47.hits before, I think in one of his speeches he missed out an entire bit
:12:48. > :12:51.on the environment, which is a particular passion for him. But that
:12:52. > :12:57.is not the first or second issue in the country. Andrew, because that
:12:58. > :13:02.happen, it does not mean that Labour's policy, intent or intention
:13:03. > :13:08.to deal with this has changed. On the budget deficit, is it your
:13:09. > :13:13.intention to balance the current spending budget or the whole of the
:13:14. > :13:17.budget in the next Parliament? What Ed has said is that we will balance
:13:18. > :13:21.current spending and we will get the deficit falling over the lifetime of
:13:22. > :13:28.the Parliament. But you could still run a deficit on investing, spending
:13:29. > :13:32.to invest, is that right? We have a government now that is saying it is
:13:33. > :13:37.going to invest huge amounts of money... I am not asking about the
:13:38. > :13:42.current government, I am asking about your government. You have to
:13:43. > :13:46.ask Ed Balls, since I am the shadow leader of the house. The deficit is
:13:47. > :13:50.a key issue. Are you going to balance the whole of the budget by
:13:51. > :13:54.the end of the next Parliament or just the current spending bit of the
:13:55. > :13:59.budget? Hi we have said we will balance current spending and get the
:14:00. > :14:02.deficit falling -- we have said we will Alan Scarman spending and get
:14:03. > :14:08.the deficit falling by the end of the Parliament. If the government
:14:09. > :14:11.will agree, we will check all the party manifestoes in the run-up to
:14:12. > :14:20.the election to see if they are credible. Why don't the government
:14:21. > :14:23.let the OBR do that? Unless your current spending surplus is bigger
:14:24. > :14:29.than your capital spending deficit, you can't draw down the deficit, can
:14:30. > :14:33.you? That's just plain arithmetic. Of course, but one of the things
:14:34. > :14:36.about what we have said is that we will get the overall deficit falling
:14:37. > :14:42.by the end of the Parliament and there will be tough fiscal rules. So
:14:43. > :14:46.the overall deficit will fall? That is why Ed Balls set out in some
:14:47. > :14:52.details on difficult choices in his speech on spending. That is why we
:14:53. > :15:00.have a 0-based review. They don't mean anything. They do, actually...
:15:01. > :15:04.Hang on, you might be cynical... Listen, you might be cynical about
:15:05. > :15:09.0-based reviews, but the whole of Whitehall and how you run government
:15:10. > :15:14.is about making choices. Our choices will be fairer. We will not give tax
:15:15. > :15:18.cuts to millionaires and the bedroom tax to other people. There will be
:15:19. > :15:22.fairer choices under a Labour government. You began this interview
:15:23. > :15:28.by saying that your policy was to balance current spending. You have
:15:29. > :15:30.now just told me that your policy is to cut the overall deficit. Which is
:15:31. > :15:40.it? The deficit is going to be falling
:15:41. > :15:45.by the end of the next Parliament, that is what Ed balls has pledged,
:15:46. > :15:49.that is what Labour government will do, but we will do it fairer, we
:15:50. > :15:54.will ensure that people have much more of a stake in society, we will
:15:55. > :15:59.increase low wages, we will give young people more opportunities, we
:16:00. > :16:03.will make sure that we are leading in the green industries for the
:16:04. > :16:11.future, we will build 200,000 houses every year. It is going to be... I'm
:16:12. > :16:16.sure it is going to be utopia... A utopia after ten years, not in the
:16:17. > :16:21.first five. When you say you will cut the debt, will you actually
:16:22. > :16:26.reduce the debt amount or will it simply be falling as a percentage of
:16:27. > :16:33.GDP? Ed has said that it will befall them by the end of the Parliament,
:16:34. > :16:35.he will set out, in his first budget, Leo rolls, clear fiscal
:16:36. > :16:41.targets, that is a matter for the Chancellor to do. -- clear rules. I
:16:42. > :16:45.may love for it to be a matter to me, it is not a matter for the
:16:46. > :16:50.shadow leader of the house. White simple question, when you say you
:16:51. > :16:56.will cut the national debt, will it fall in absolute terms? -- simple
:16:57. > :16:59.question: Will it be falling as a percentage of GDP? Which means it
:17:00. > :17:06.could still be writing in real terms. Check out the manifesto when
:17:07. > :17:11.we write it and produce it. Do you know yet? Do you know? Nip into
:17:12. > :17:16.Parliament when Chancellor Ed Balls is making his first budget speech,
:17:17. > :17:19.and then all will be revealed. Seven months before the election, and you
:17:20. > :17:24.cannot tell us what the policies are on the national debt. I have just
:17:25. > :17:30.told you what the policies are, what the targets are. Real terms or
:17:31. > :17:35.percentage of GDP? Which one? Let me ask you again? We will get current
:17:36. > :17:39.spending balanced, and we will get the deficit falling by the end of
:17:40. > :17:41.this parliament. I did not ask you that. That is what Ed Balls has
:17:42. > :17:54.said. Thank you very much. Parliament is gearing up for a
:17:55. > :17:59.recall. I'm joined by a couple of MPs who will be in Parliament for
:18:00. > :18:04.the debate, Adam Holloway, he was in the armed forces himself, he has
:18:05. > :18:09.recently returned from Iraq. And a member of the foreign affairs select
:18:10. > :18:18.committee is joining me, he was born in Iraq. I'm assuming that if the
:18:19. > :18:26.Iraqi Prime Minister does request written... -- Britain... What are
:18:27. > :18:28.you going to do, Adam Holloway, you have said to me that without a
:18:29. > :18:34.political settlement being made clear, you would not support air
:18:35. > :18:41.strikes, even against Isis. I'm going to be declared -- I'm going to
:18:42. > :18:45.be clear to David Cameron, but this is a problem for the people in these
:18:46. > :18:49.countries and in the region. It is clearly a big problem for us but we
:18:50. > :18:54.have seen in the disasters of Iraq and Afghanistan that it is not
:18:55. > :18:58.work, the headlines, US air strikes. We should be more measured, we
:18:59. > :19:02.should make it absolutely sure that the countries in the region, as the
:19:03. > :19:06.Kurds have, realise it is their problem, we should enable them. We
:19:07. > :19:13.should not be leading them, this is a path to disaster. You are yet to
:19:14. > :19:17.be convinced. Absolutely. Is now the time? If we get the request from the
:19:18. > :19:21.Iraqi Prime Minister that Britain should join America and other Arab
:19:22. > :19:25.nations. It is worth remembering, we laid on the humanitarian effort, we
:19:26. > :19:28.have led on the political settlement. Diplomacy taking place
:19:29. > :19:33.in Baghdad, with Ambassador Fred Baker and before that Simon Collis.
:19:34. > :19:37.We have upgraded the mission in Kurdistan. Now is the time, with the
:19:38. > :19:43.Arab countries: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, all of them
:19:44. > :19:47.joining in the military effort. Adding quite rightly says, the
:19:48. > :19:52.people on the ground, the host country, the Muslim Sunni Arab
:19:53. > :19:56.tribes. The Iraqi army, they have all got to take the lead in this
:19:57. > :20:02.operation. With the air support. They are not taking the lead,
:20:03. > :20:05.America is taking the lead, "US-led strikes", that is the headlines. We
:20:06. > :20:12.will be joining America, is that enough for you to say yes on Friday?
:20:13. > :20:19.Yes, speak with the people of Mosul, any of those places... Today, on the
:20:20. > :20:23.Turkish side, the Kurdish worth facing another massive humanitarian
:20:24. > :20:30.problem. Because they are coming over the border. -- Kurdish worth
:20:31. > :20:34.facing another massive humanitarian problem. The people they are
:20:35. > :20:38.fighting, Iraqi army, Kurdish army, they are taking the fight to Isil,
:20:39. > :20:44.not us. What we are doing is supplying air support, if we are
:20:45. > :20:48.asked to. Is it dangerous to delay any further? The former defence
:20:49. > :20:53.minister, Gerrit out, has said that it is an embarrassment that Britain
:20:54. > :20:56.is not already standing alongside the US in air strikes, if we wait
:20:57. > :21:00.for the political settlement to be clarified in the way we want it to
:21:01. > :21:04.be. I'm not talking about a political settlement but politics
:21:05. > :21:07.should come first. We have had emergency air strikes to prevent
:21:08. > :21:11.Kurdistan from being overrun, that had to happen, they prevented mass
:21:12. > :21:16.convoy is getting into the city. This is a bombing campaign, we have
:21:17. > :21:19.got to organised. All of those Sunni Muslims that are opposed to the
:21:20. > :21:25.government in Baghdad, they have got to get rid of Isis themselves. -- we
:21:26. > :21:29.have got to organise. That will take a long time, some commentators say
:21:30. > :21:32.it is too late, they say that it is too late to convince them, the Sunni
:21:33. > :21:36.tribes have turned a blind eye to Isis because in their mind, they are
:21:37. > :21:42.better than the Shia government in Baghdad. They did that in 2007, they
:21:43. > :21:48.purged, but now they have decided to come back in. Other tribes are
:21:49. > :21:52.joining in. It is going to take a long time. Barack Obama said it will
:21:53. > :21:55.take a long time, so did David Cameron, but the important thing, as
:21:56. > :21:59.Adam Rose verse two, the Sunni tribes, if they are going to join
:22:00. > :22:03.in, if they are going to do the fighting, they have got to have a
:22:04. > :22:08.political skin in the game. They have got to believe that they have
:22:09. > :22:12.got to have at the end of it a sunny National Guard. The Sunni community,
:22:13. > :22:15.playing host in Syria and Iraq, they have got to feel, after this
:22:16. > :22:20.period, when they purge Isil, which will happen, that they have a
:22:21. > :22:26.political settlement where they get to choose who leads them locally and
:22:27. > :22:37.who governs them and taxes them. -- National Guard. Would you support
:22:38. > :22:41.targets in Syria? -- Sony -- Sunni National Guard. Obviously, the
:22:42. > :22:46.headline political objective is very clear here, but the operation level,
:22:47. > :22:52.the tactical level, we have not yet worked it out, if you are a Muslim
:22:53. > :22:55.sitting in Iraq or Syria, what this is, it is America coming back in and
:22:56. > :23:01.bombing. This is not the right emphasis, it is the wrong way to do
:23:02. > :23:04.it. Do you agree with that? Do you support the idea of air strikes in
:23:05. > :23:10.Syria, because otherwise it is not a coordinated strategy. We have got to
:23:11. > :23:15.keep options open. Already we have seen air strikes. It is already
:23:16. > :23:20.happening with the US and the Middle East and forces. UK air strikes in
:23:21. > :23:23.Syria? Keep the options open, speak with the free Syrian army, taking
:23:24. > :23:29.the fight to Bashar al-Assad and Isil, they need the support to be
:23:30. > :23:31.able to do what they do, which is produced a unified government which
:23:32. > :23:34.looks after all of the minority-owned stop my message for
:23:35. > :23:38.the people around Bashar al-Assad, think about getting rid of him,
:23:39. > :23:42.think about having somebody else replace him. That is the only way
:23:43. > :23:46.that we will get to a resolution in Syria. Thank you very much. On
:23:47. > :23:50.Friday we will be hearing a lot more from these two MPs and others, when
:23:51. > :23:52.Parliament is recalled, which we presume is what is going to happen.
:23:53. > :24:01.That announcement may this afternoon.
:24:02. > :24:03.Lots of speeches, stale sandwiches and warm white wine
:24:04. > :24:05.but what's the Labour Party Conference really about?
:24:06. > :24:07.Eleanor Garnier's been looking at what gets done here.
:24:08. > :24:13.There is no mud but there is plenty of queues, it is a little bit like
:24:14. > :24:20.Glastonbury, for political nerds. You can even get your groove on.
:24:21. > :24:25.There is Harriet Harman, at a fringe event in 2013. You can even pick up
:24:26. > :24:29.a souvenir! The Labour Party conference used to be a real
:24:30. > :24:34.festival of the mock receive. Observers say that these days,
:24:35. > :24:37.things are a little different. The Labour Party conference has changed
:24:38. > :24:44.beyond recognition. Over the last 30 years. It used to be a great, mighty
:24:45. > :24:49.chamber, which the leadership had to obey. There used to be blazing rows
:24:50. > :24:53.in front of the television cameras. The stakes were very high. Policies
:24:54. > :24:59.were decided. There are, in front of our eyes. Now, the control is with
:25:00. > :25:03.the leadership, and the national executive committee. Previously a
:25:04. > :25:09.mighty body. They tend to bend to the rules of the leader, and anyway,
:25:10. > :25:14.it has less power. APPLAUSE Tony Blair brought in big changes to
:25:15. > :25:18.the Labour Party conference in 1997. That is when the national
:25:19. > :25:22.policy forum was introduced, to filter ideas and come up with policy
:25:23. > :25:25.pledges. Until then, that had all been the role of the party governing
:25:26. > :25:30.body, the national executive committee. Delegates at conference
:25:31. > :25:35.today still raise and debate urgent issues and vote on them, but the
:25:36. > :25:39.agenda is largely agreed before. Today, any sound of trouble is
:25:40. > :25:46.quickly dealt with, remember Walter, the lifelong Labour Party member,
:25:47. > :25:49.manhandled out of the conference in 2005, for heckling Jack Straw over
:25:50. > :25:54.the Iraq war. Labour later apologised. Then back to the 1980s,
:25:55. > :25:59.under Neil Kinnock. The conference could get pretty boisterous.
:26:00. > :26:05.Ken Livingstone, former Londoner, served on the national executive
:26:06. > :26:10.committee in the 1980s and 1990s, he is now back on it again. Do you
:26:11. > :26:15.still look forward to going to conference? It is a series of
:26:16. > :26:21.stage-managed events, platforms for leading party members to put forward
:26:22. > :26:25.their views and so on... Years ago, I would look forward to it all year,
:26:26. > :26:31.this was where party policy would be decided and the direction of the
:26:32. > :26:35.movement. But that has gone. Is there any point to conference? It is
:26:36. > :26:39.better than nothing, you can get hold of Ed Balls saying we should be
:26:40. > :26:43.building more council houses, you will argue about the number, things
:26:44. > :26:48.like that. It is the 1 chance where you can get to the party
:26:49. > :26:52.leadership. Normally you have got to go through security in the House of
:26:53. > :26:57.Commons! Nightmare. They may be disillusioned but they keep going, a
:26:58. > :27:03.bit like the die-hards of music festivals, basically cannot stay
:27:04. > :27:13.away. -- they simply cannot stay away.
:27:14. > :27:22.Is it worth going to conference anymore? Apart from whether or not
:27:23. > :27:26.they focus on anything that people care about, it is still worth
:27:27. > :27:29.coming, it is a great opportunity for the Labour Party and all parties
:27:30. > :27:33.to set out what they want to achieve, an opportunity for a coming
:27:34. > :27:37.together of a tribe, as it were. There was a lot of problems with
:27:38. > :27:41.conferences and all political parties, talking about re-engaging
:27:42. > :27:45.with people, they need to start thinking about all of these events
:27:46. > :27:50.here, as open and inclusive... Tribal rally, rather than a
:27:51. > :27:54.conference which used to take decisions, which would affect party
:27:55. > :28:08.policy? It is more like a US style political rally, convention, what it
:28:09. > :28:17.was supposed to be is a Parliament, the membership is much lower, and
:28:18. > :28:20.today, more of a case of a sign of the lobbyist side. A lot of
:28:21. > :28:23.activists are probably more comfortable with that. What was
:28:24. > :28:27.happened instead, the debate has shifted from the hall, and there is
:28:28. > :28:36.a lack of democracy in the Labour Party. There is a thriving scene,
:28:37. > :28:42.and on the key issues, housing, nuclear weapons, foreign policy,
:28:43. > :28:48.education. All of them debated, but the problem I face with it, a lot of
:28:49. > :28:53.people find this, a lot of people that the Labour Party was set up to
:28:54. > :28:58.fight for our not able to come here. Too expensive? The only people...
:28:59. > :29:04.Apart from the catering staff and the cleaners... If I was going to
:29:05. > :29:06.change conference, I would make it more democratic and more
:29:07. > :29:11.representative of the people that Labour says they fight for. It is
:29:12. > :29:14.fine to have a thriving fringe, but debate and good speeches, a lot more
:29:15. > :29:19.interesting than what is happening in the hall, but they do not
:29:20. > :29:22.determine policy, they are not the collective view of the Labour Party.
:29:23. > :29:29.That is what the conference used to be. A lot more complicated now, with
:29:30. > :29:31.the national policy forum. We can do chapter and verse with the national
:29:32. > :29:37.policy forum but everybody would turn off. We would like to keep the
:29:38. > :29:42.audience, please do not go down that road! There is an element of
:29:43. > :29:46.necessity to it, in the hall, having arguments, it would be fascinating
:29:47. > :29:50.to watch, but it would make the Labour government less likely. We
:29:51. > :29:54.need to find a way to increase levels of democratic representation,
:29:55. > :29:58.without turning into a messy bun fight. There was a time when votes
:29:59. > :30:03.mattered, and notions mattered, more so than the Tories. This was a
:30:04. > :30:08.decision taking assembly of the Labour Party rank and file. New
:30:09. > :30:13.Labour, the problem originally, it distrusted activists, had everything
:30:14. > :30:17.it could to keep them to one side, turning them into an army of
:30:18. > :30:24.leaflets deliverers. I think that fear was misplaced. Looking at some
:30:25. > :30:31.of the very popular decisions, scrapping the 10p tax, invading
:30:32. > :30:35.Iraq, public ownership of the railways... If they had listened to
:30:36. > :30:36.activists more, a lot of those decisions would have been very
:30:37. > :30:49.different. A lot of us have the suspicion that
:30:50. > :30:54.the real reason these conferences still go on, and go on for such a
:30:55. > :31:00.long time, four does, even though they don't ever take any decisions,
:31:01. > :31:05.is everything we have around here. -- four days. It is true of the
:31:06. > :31:08.Tories as well. The parties make a tonne of money out of people who
:31:09. > :31:13.have come to lobby, to exhibit, to get their case across. It has become
:31:14. > :31:17.a commercial exercise for Labour and the Conservatives rather than a
:31:18. > :31:22.political gathering. 1 of the most interesting thing is arriving on
:31:23. > :31:27.Saturday was that people were remarking how big the corporate
:31:28. > :31:33.section is. It is seen as a sign of how big it is and how likely Labour
:31:34. > :31:37.are to win the next election. 2011, they would have made money but not
:31:38. > :31:42.to the same extent as this time. You are completely right, it is a huge
:31:43. > :31:47.part. We need more transparency, not just here at the Labour Party but
:31:48. > :31:51.all parties. The lobbying was a missed opportunity, but in terms of
:31:52. > :31:55.the meetings that take place between lobbyists and perhaps a government
:31:56. > :32:04.in waiting, we need more scrutiny of that. The less of that kind of
:32:05. > :32:05.secret machinations, the better. We will all be back. Thank you very
:32:06. > :32:09.much. And now Adam's final moodbox
:32:10. > :32:11.from the Labour Conference. He tells me it's a classic
:32:12. > :32:13.of its genre. I think we'll be the judge of that.
:32:14. > :32:23.Here he is, with his balls. What motivates people to spend four
:32:24. > :32:28.days at the Labour Party conference? Is it the socialism or the
:32:29. > :32:32.socialising? Socialism, to be inspired about how we are going to
:32:33. > :32:37.have a Labour government. You have not been to any drinks receptions,
:32:38. > :32:42.parties? I haven't been to any parties, I have had a drink. Why do
:32:43. > :32:49.you come to the Labour Party conference? I want socialism back in
:32:50. > :32:57.the Labour Party, not a third way, not new Labour. You think it is
:32:58. > :33:03.quite a daft question? Yeah. White? Not just have a good time?
:33:04. > :33:08.Definitely not. Do you think anyone is here just to have a good time?
:33:09. > :33:18.Maybe the beautiful people, but I am a local councillor and it is about
:33:19. > :33:22.as against them. Socialising. Someone who is honest at last! What
:33:23. > :33:32.is the best party you have been to? Lean macro I think it has got to be
:33:33. > :33:36.the Co-op. What do we have on offer? Pies, quiches, pastrami. I love a
:33:37. > :33:48.pork pie. You go to a lot of parties. How the
:33:49. > :33:56.Labour Party 's rank? Compared to Annabel's? Much better. Why do you
:33:57. > :34:01.come to conference, socialism or socialising? If you are true
:34:02. > :34:03.revolutionary like Fidel Castro, shade of are, Hugo Chavez, you don't
:34:04. > :34:10.have time to socialise because people are more important. -- Che
:34:11. > :34:20.Guevara. You don't see Hugo Chavez on the dance floor much. Gangland
:34:21. > :34:23.style? We did it yesterday. I had Ed Balls on the right and Yvette
:34:24. > :34:32.Cooper... Do you want to recreate it now? Did Tony Blair like the
:34:33. > :34:37.socialising bit? Tony Blair only ever talked about socialising by
:34:38. > :34:45.saying he was in favour of social ism. Was he a party animal? He is a
:34:46. > :34:50.man who knows how to have fun. Are you going to a party now, dressed
:34:51. > :35:00.like that? We always dress like this. I focused on socialism to
:35:01. > :35:08.socialise! Do you and Harriet go to parties? Once in a blue moon. Do you
:35:09. > :35:13.get wind and dined? Not so far but if you are offering! I knock off in
:35:14. > :35:20.about ten minutes. What is the best party tonight? The Daily Mirror are
:35:21. > :35:24.having a party in Coronation Street. Have you got an invite? It is a bit
:35:25. > :35:32.late, I'm not sure I am going to make it. When is your bedtime?
:35:33. > :35:37.9:30pm every night. It seems like most people are here for the serious
:35:38. > :35:42.stuff. Anyway I am off to a champagne reception.
:35:43. > :35:49.He is always at a champagne reception. We had hoped to talk to
:35:50. > :35:52.Yvette Cooper today, Labour Shadow Cabinet member, but her speech is
:35:53. > :35:56.running late so it looks like we are not going to get her. However, we
:35:57. > :36:01.are joined by two people who could be the future of the Labour Party.
:36:02. > :36:04.Jessica Asato is standing in Norwich North.
:36:05. > :36:09.And Sarah Sackman is standing in Finchley and Golders Green.
:36:10. > :36:18.Welcome to both of you. Has this conference but a string -- placed to
:36:19. > :36:23.bring in your step? Absolutely, it has been fantastic. We have
:36:24. > :36:27.something to take to the electorate. I have people in my constituency,
:36:28. > :36:32.volunteers, phoning voters to deliver the fantastic message we
:36:33. > :36:37.heard yesterday on the NHS, house-building... Including the bits
:36:38. > :36:42.he missed out? Well, what we heard from Ed was a really strong message
:36:43. > :36:48.on the economy. We heard that there would be green growth, developing
:36:49. > :36:51.jobs, tackling low paid apprenticeships and that will
:36:52. > :36:57.resonate with my voters. Are you happy with the message? Very much
:36:58. > :37:01.so. You are both going to be on message in this interview, will
:37:02. > :37:05.there be any criticism? We go to the doorsteps every week and we talk
:37:06. > :37:09.about people's concerns and their fears for the future. The NHS has
:37:10. > :37:14.come up time and again as something people love dearly but they are very
:37:15. > :37:18.afraid if it is being undermined and privatised by this government. The
:37:19. > :37:23.message from Ed yesterday was fantastic, 20,000 extra nurses so
:37:24. > :37:28.people have time... That is just an aspiration, it's not a policy.
:37:29. > :37:31.Politicians on the left and the like are always promising as thousands of
:37:32. > :37:36.this, thousands of that, people are not impressed by that any more. Hold
:37:37. > :37:39.on a minute, it is not an aspiration, it is what we have
:37:40. > :37:44.committed to do if we get into government. There is a lot of unrest
:37:45. > :37:48.and people thinking politicians don't keep promises, so if anything
:37:49. > :37:53.the bar is even higher. We know we can deliver it. It will be fully
:37:54. > :37:58.costed, we will pay through it through a mansion tax on homes over
:37:59. > :38:04.?2 million. No-one has been able to tell me at this conference how would
:38:05. > :38:09.operate. Do you know? Ed was quite clear yesterday, the threshold will
:38:10. > :38:17.be ?2 million, there will be protections for those who are asset
:38:18. > :38:22.rich bass -- asset rich but cash poor. How would you value the
:38:23. > :38:28.homes? That is the detail that is to come. You cannot have the tax
:38:29. > :38:34.without the detail. The key thing is what the tax will pay for. It is not
:38:35. > :38:38.for the sake of it, it is to support an NHS which is creaking. The other
:38:39. > :38:43.thing about yesterday's speech is that Ed presented a 10-year plan, it
:38:44. > :38:47.was not short-term pie in the sky aspirations, it was a plan to say,
:38:48. > :38:51.we need to put our economy and NHS on a stable footing over ten years,
:38:52. > :38:57.a long-term forward-thinking plan for Britain. The eyes of voters just
:38:58. > :39:02.glaze over when you talk about 10-year plans. Most people know you
:39:03. > :39:06.cannot have quick fixes in politics, so that turns them off. Having
:39:07. > :39:10.someone who understands that they are long-term challenges, evil are
:39:11. > :39:15.more generous than you say. They know you cannot create change in the
:39:16. > :39:23.space of a year or two. -- people are more generous than you say. Is
:39:24. > :39:27.Ed Miliband and asset given his dire personal ratings? He is an asset
:39:28. > :39:31.because he is serious and he takes the serious problems facing this
:39:32. > :39:36.country seriously. So why are his poll ratings so bad? People are
:39:37. > :39:43.getting to know Ed and they like him more when he is at his boldest.
:39:44. > :39:50.White macro -- the more they get to know him, the lower his poll ratings
:39:51. > :39:57.go. We are ahead in the polls. The Labour Party is, absolutely. So why
:39:58. > :40:01.are his ratings so bad? People like our ideas, and those are the ones we
:40:02. > :40:05.heard Ed setting out yesterday. When people listen to what he has to say,
:40:06. > :40:10.they see a decent, intelligent man who is at his best when he is at his
:40:11. > :40:15.boldest. They like our ideas, that is why we are ahead in the polls.
:40:16. > :40:19.How can you win win a large percentage of even Labour voters
:40:20. > :40:24.don't think he is fit to be Prime Minister and you are 25% behind the
:40:25. > :40:28.Tories on economic credibility? We are not close to the election yet
:40:29. > :40:31.and many people are yet to make up their minds. You will know their
:40:32. > :40:37.money people who are don't knows and we meet them all the time. There has
:40:38. > :40:40.been a trivialisation of politics, I think, and people do look perhaps
:40:41. > :40:46.sometimes at the celebrity and the veneer. As Ed, in the end, people
:40:47. > :40:49.will judge the two Prime Minister real candidates at the next election
:40:50. > :40:55.on the basis of what they will do for the country, not how they will
:40:56. > :41:10.look. The public really get that. We shall see. Thank you. Ed Miliband
:41:11. > :41:15.promised 20,000 nurses, 8000 GPs, 5000 home care workers, extra
:41:16. > :41:18.midwives. Andy Burnham was on the show yesterday and he was warmly
:41:19. > :41:23.received when he spoke to the conference earlier this morning.
:41:24. > :41:29.Remember that solemn promise of no top-down reorganisation? It was a
:41:30. > :41:38.barefaced lie. APPLAUSE
:41:39. > :41:45.Days into office, the Tories set about dismantling your NHS. The plan
:41:46. > :41:53.that dared not speak its name before the last election is now playing for
:41:54. > :42:01.all to see. Run it down. Break it up. Sell it off. So today we serve
:42:02. > :42:10.notice on Cameron and Clegg. Thursday, made a seventh, 2015. --
:42:11. > :42:17.May seventh. Your day of reckoning on the NHS.
:42:18. > :42:25.A reckoning for trashing the public's most prized asset without
:42:26. > :42:28.their permission. And a reckoning for a ruinous reorganisation that
:42:29. > :42:35.has dragged it down and left it on the brink. A winter crisis in A
:42:36. > :42:41.Now a spring, summer and autumn prices too. Over 3 million people on
:42:42. > :42:44.NHS waiting lists. Families waiting longer for cancer treatment to
:42:45. > :42:49.start. The National Cancer target missed for the very first time. The
:42:50. > :42:56.NHS can't take five more years of Cameron. Our 10-year plan for the
:42:57. > :43:04.NHS is founded on people before profits. We will free the NHS from
:43:05. > :43:09.Cameron's market. And, yes, repeal his toxic health and social care at
:43:10. > :43:16.if it's the first thing that we do. APPLAUSE
:43:17. > :43:22.I can announce a big change in the way the NHS supports carers so they
:43:23. > :43:27.can keep going. No longer invisible but at the very centre of this new
:43:28. > :43:29.service. So today we announce new support for carers, the right to a
:43:30. > :43:42.break or respite care. The right to an annual health check.
:43:43. > :43:44.Help with hospital car parking charges. Why do we do that? Because
:43:45. > :43:55.they matter as much to me too. And we will go further. We will give
:43:56. > :44:00.all families the right to care in their home if that is what they
:44:01. > :44:08.want. A National health and care service. Truly there from cradle to
:44:09. > :44:15.grave. Make no mistake. This coming election is a battle for the soul of
:44:16. > :44:19.the NHS. The fight of our lives. Now we must all walk 300 miles for the
:44:20. > :44:36.NHS to every doorstep in the land. And we walk out from here would
:44:37. > :44:41.hope, with pride with passion, with a plan you can believe in. But in
:44:42. > :44:48.the end of this is about more than us. This is about you. Your
:44:49. > :44:54.children. Your grandchildren. Your great-grandchildren. It is about
:44:55. > :44:59.whether there will be an NHS still there for them in their hour of
:45:00. > :45:04.need, as it has been for you. Don't regret it when it's gone. Join the
:45:05. > :45:10.fight for it now. So I make this appeal to you. Help the party that
:45:11. > :45:15.founded the NHS. Give it a new beginning. Help us make it the
:45:16. > :45:22.service we all want it to be. An NHS that puts people before profit. An
:45:23. > :45:28.NHS that cares for the carers. An NHS there for your mum and dad. An
:45:29. > :45:34.NHS with time to care. An NHS for all of you.
:45:35. > :45:44.Passionate speech by Andy Burnham, on the last morning of the Labour
:45:45. > :45:50.Party conference here in Manchester, he has the delegates to their feet,
:45:51. > :45:54.with a strong defence of the NHS. It has been a continuing theme for the
:45:55. > :46:00.Labour Party throughout conference, putting the NHS centre stage in the
:46:01. > :46:03.upcoming election. It is clear from what Ed Miliband were saying
:46:04. > :46:08.yesterday, what Andy Burnham has just said this morning. In the
:46:09. > :46:14.Labour election pitch next May, the NHS will be at the centre of it.
:46:15. > :46:21.Injecting passion into this conference on the final morning. It
:46:22. > :46:25.is difficult to win an election if you are not trusted on the economy.
:46:26. > :46:28.and Labour's polling on economic credibility is poor - trailing well
:46:29. > :46:35.They are behind by as much as 25 points in recent polls.
:46:36. > :46:37.But has this conference made any impact on that?
:46:38. > :46:41.Jo Co's got some guests with her in Westminster:
:46:42. > :46:47.You remember the phrase, "it is the economy, stupid", these guests will
:46:48. > :46:56.be chewing over what Ed Miliband did and did not say. Alistair Feith, and
:46:57. > :47:00.Simon Walker. First of all, is it forgiveable that a man as leader of
:47:01. > :47:06.the Labour Party, who wants to be Prime Minister, to forget his
:47:07. > :47:12.passage on the deficit? Not really, that is the simple answer. Growth
:47:13. > :47:16.and economy and macroeconomic policy should be at the centre of what they
:47:17. > :47:19.are doing, if they really want to generate more revenue, to finance
:47:20. > :47:24.the NHS, and whatever else they want to do, they need an economy that is
:47:25. > :47:28.growing well, not damaged by deficit, that is not out of control.
:47:29. > :47:33.We need far more on macroeconomic policy and we got nothing. In city,
:47:34. > :47:37.in business, if you were watching, that is a major issue. Business
:47:38. > :47:41.reacted positively to some of the announcements that have come out
:47:42. > :47:46.during the conference, if not actually in Ed Miliband's speech. We
:47:47. > :47:52.have been very positive about the position on immigration, pledging to
:47:53. > :47:57.remove caps on immigration. Did she announce that? It was in a fringe
:47:58. > :48:01.meeting. I worry about the speech last night, Ed Miliband is not
:48:02. > :48:05.anti-business, he's not pro-business, he does not seem to be
:48:06. > :48:08.terribly interested in it at all! There is an awful lot of people in
:48:09. > :48:12.the Labour Party who run businesses, who know how they work, know the
:48:13. > :48:15.risks business owners take. There seems to be no recognition from the
:48:16. > :48:19.leader that the money has got to come from somewhere, and it comes
:48:20. > :48:23.from the private sector, it comes from people who start companies and
:48:24. > :48:29.mortgage their homes to get them going. No recognition of that.
:48:30. > :48:35.Instead, a pantomime villain: Hedge fund is, tobacco companies, fat cats
:48:36. > :48:38.in mansions. -- hedge funds. He says, soak them, they will pave
:48:39. > :48:42.everything. Does not work. says, soak them, they will pave
:48:43. > :48:46.was very clear in his speech about austerity, that spending restraint
:48:47. > :48:49.will continue, perhaps that is why it did not go down
:48:50. > :48:53.will continue, perhaps that is why win back trust in terms of handling
:48:54. > :48:57.the economy, balancing the books on current spending, not capital
:48:58. > :49:01.spending. Are those the things you want to hear? That is the point, the
:49:02. > :49:06.definition of balance budget means massive fiscal loosening, borrowing
:49:07. > :49:12.far more money than the College and is borrowing. Loosening on... ? --
:49:13. > :49:16.far more money than the coalition is borrowing.
:49:17. > :49:22.Timmy, we need to see much more... We need to see what the Labour Party
:49:23. > :49:27.means when it talks about austerity, how is it going to reduce the budget
:49:28. > :49:33.deficit and raise revenues, it wants to pay for everything it wants to
:49:34. > :49:37.do. -- to me. And they are not doing particularly well, in turn, that
:49:38. > :49:41.should inform the Labour Party. The budget deficit is going to be even
:49:42. > :49:43.bigger than we thought it would be. Target slipping, revenue is going to
:49:44. > :49:46.be even bigger than we thought it would be. Target slipping, revenues
:49:47. > :49:48.not coming in fast enough. There is a problem. The idea that the budget
:49:49. > :49:59.deficit is not an issue, completely wrong. Talking about Ed Miliband
:50:00. > :50:07.being "abusiness", they are pretty popular on some things. Means
:50:08. > :50:13.testing Winter fuel payment, 75%, mansion tax, ?2 million properties,
:50:14. > :50:17.72% in favour. 50p top rate of tax, 65%. You could argue that people
:50:18. > :50:21.like what they see in the Labour policies. But the leader speech
:50:22. > :50:25.coming up to an election has got to reach people outside of the comfort
:50:26. > :50:30.zone, outside of the established... These are people from all parties,
:50:31. > :50:33.Conservative voters supported that. Hitting those points is something
:50:34. > :50:37.that you can do for populist reasons but if you raise taxes, if you say
:50:38. > :50:41.you will impose new taxes on industries that have not had those
:50:42. > :50:45.taxes before, you are threatening the whole attractiveness of the UK
:50:46. > :50:51.as an investment destination. France has lost 95% of foreign investment
:50:52. > :50:56.over the last ten years. We are a great place to invest at the moment
:50:57. > :51:00.but he is threatening to put up taxes, capriciously, to fit a
:51:01. > :51:06.particular industry. That shows how you are indifferent to the plight of
:51:07. > :51:08.businesses. You will not be a welcoming destination for people
:51:09. > :51:15.wanting to put their money in somewhere. What about the increase
:51:16. > :51:18.in the minimum wage? Is that something that will put off
:51:19. > :51:22.businesses, some businesses have welcomed it. It has gone down well
:51:23. > :51:26.with the public. The key with increasing the minimum wage, all
:51:27. > :51:30.parties are committed to increasing the minimum wage but the question
:51:31. > :51:35.is, how far? Labour will go further than the current system. The big
:51:36. > :51:38.danger, if you increase it faster than productivity growth, on the
:51:39. > :51:42.margins you will lose some jobs, that is what quite a lot of people
:51:43. > :51:46.are worried about. The increase they are talking about is not that great,
:51:47. > :51:51.I don't think, but I suspect it is a bit too quick and will cost some
:51:52. > :51:54.jobs. I would like to see the minimum wage get to that level. Low
:51:55. > :51:58.pay commission has done a pretty good job of dealing with this over
:51:59. > :52:02.the last ten years outside of the political agenda. We do not want
:52:03. > :52:08.elections to become a wage auction, where somebody says it will be ?8,
:52:09. > :52:13.and they have already said, ICU ?8 and raise you ?10! Where'd you go?
:52:14. > :52:18.The low pay commission does a great job, let them doing it. Mansion tax,
:52:19. > :52:25.no frontbencher so far has been able to explain in detail exactly how
:52:26. > :52:34.about Mansion tax is going to work -- I see your ?8 and raise you ?10.
:52:35. > :52:38.You would have to extend the tax on far more homes and other properties.
:52:39. > :52:44.Looking at France, a country that has had a wealth tax for many years.
:52:45. > :52:48.Their tax taxes every asset from about ?1 million a year. I suspect
:52:49. > :52:52.that is the direction of travel, and that has been disastrous for the
:52:53. > :52:57.French economy, it is one reason my semi-French entrepreneurs have come
:52:58. > :52:59.to Britain. If you look at other countries that have tried to do
:53:00. > :53:04.this, the mechanism people talk about when it comes to the Labour
:53:05. > :53:09.Mansion tax is quite unfair. If you own a lot of homes were under ?10
:53:10. > :53:14.million, you will not pay it. -- ?2 million. If you are a buy to let
:53:15. > :53:19.landlord, you will not pay it, a pensioner that has retired may not
:53:20. > :53:22.pay it. It does not make sense. Thank you very much, gentlemen.
:53:23. > :53:30.Sadly, no Yvette Cooper, she is just getting onto her feet now, we have
:53:31. > :53:34.run out of time for her. But the Shadow Justice Secretary had his
:53:35. > :53:40.turn, he began by talking about his childhood memories in the 1980s, a
:53:41. > :53:45.Muslim son of Pakistani immigrants, he described it as a hostile time.
:53:46. > :53:49.But thanks to the Labour Party, he saw that change was possible. I am
:53:50. > :53:56.stood here today as your Shadow Justice Secretary. APPLAUSE
:53:57. > :53:59.The son of Pakistani immigrants from a council estate in South London,
:54:00. > :54:08.because of labour, anything is possible! APPLAUSE
:54:09. > :54:12.That same burning desire to fight for justice led me to be a human
:54:13. > :54:18.rights lawyer. Taking on tough cases. Bullying, deaths in custody,
:54:19. > :54:24.standing up for workers rights. Lives turned upside down, families
:54:25. > :54:27.ripped apart, because of injustice. Defending people 's dignities, and
:54:28. > :54:34.writing wrongs. And yes, transforming lives because of
:54:35. > :54:39.labour's human rights act. -- putting right wrongs. And that is
:54:40. > :54:44.why I am so appalled, I'm so appalled by Tory plans to abolish
:54:45. > :54:49.the human rights act. And will away from the European convention for
:54:50. > :54:53.human rights. -- walk away. They want to strip people of their rights
:54:54. > :54:57.and make the justice system the preserve of the rich. Tories are
:54:58. > :55:02.rubbing their hands at the prospect of governments free to ride
:55:03. > :55:07.roughshod over the sick, the elderly, the disabled, the
:55:08. > :55:13.vulnerable. Enlightened Tories who get this, like Dominic Grieve, they
:55:14. > :55:16.have been sacked! Forgetting that without enlightened Tories, like
:55:17. > :55:21.Winston Churchill, Europe would not have the human rights that we have
:55:22. > :55:25.today! You know, I bet that if Churchill were a minister today,
:55:26. > :55:31.David Cameron would have him sacked for his views on human rights.
:55:32. > :55:36.You cannot trust the Tories to protect people 's rights. The first
:55:37. > :55:40.battle we have, stopping the Tories in their tracks. Yes, get the
:55:41. > :55:46.European Court working better, but I say to you, Mr Cameron, we will stop
:55:47. > :55:49.you stripping the British people of their rights, we will block attempts
:55:50. > :55:54.to abolish the human rights act. We will not stand by while we see you
:55:55. > :55:57.block access to vulnerable people and we will not walk away from the
:55:58. > :56:03.European Court of Human Rights. APPLAUSE
:56:04. > :56:13.But we need to recognise the rights of people who have been neglected
:56:14. > :56:18.for too long. Victims. Rotherham and Rochdale are rightly seared into the
:56:19. > :56:23.public conscience, hundreds of girls, some as young as 12 years
:56:24. > :56:27.old, abducted, raped, trafficked. And yet they were not believed or
:56:28. > :56:28.they were ignored by the police and the authorities. This must never be
:56:29. > :56:39.repeated. Labour will act, we will bring in
:56:40. > :56:44.the country 's first ever victims law transforming the culture in the
:56:45. > :56:49.police, and in the courts, giving a voice to the most vulnerable. And,
:56:50. > :56:53.we will do everything that we can to stop people becoming victims in the
:56:54. > :56:59.first place. Punishing criminals but reforming them as well.
:57:00. > :57:04.We are now joined by the BBC's Ian Watson, through no full of its own,
:57:05. > :57:09.this conference has suffered by being sandwiched between the
:57:10. > :57:15.Scottish referendum and now, the likelihood of Parliament being
:57:16. > :57:19.recalled to deal with the Syrian situation, on Friday. It has
:57:20. > :57:22.diverted attention. It has been unfortunate, you can talk about the
:57:23. > :57:27.sandwich, some of the meat in the sandwich, some people did not find
:57:28. > :57:29.it palatable enough! After the existential threat to the UK that
:57:30. > :57:33.some people felt they were dealing with last week, senior staff up
:57:34. > :57:41.there, Ed Miliband, they were frankly quite exhausted, like the
:57:42. > :57:44.rest of us. English votes, that question resurfaced, did they
:57:45. > :57:47.respond quickly enough? That is why the atmosphere has been flat,
:57:48. > :57:51.difficult to get traction when you are not setting agenda, you are
:57:52. > :57:56.asked about Syria. The shadow of Iraq still hanging over Ed Miliband.
:57:57. > :58:01.He would like to go down the United Nations Road, new has got to be
:58:02. > :58:05.cautious, cannot sound robust. He is not leading the news agenda, he
:58:06. > :58:10.following it. We expect that Parliament will be recalled after
:58:11. > :58:15.the Prime Minister speaks with the leader of Iraq in New York. So far,
:58:16. > :58:18.the speaker says there has been no request yet, but the speculation on
:58:19. > :58:23.the Conservative benches is that it will be on Friday. Ahead of
:58:24. > :58:27.conference. Again, to some extent, Labour will have to think about what
:58:28. > :58:31.its response will be, whether they will support air strikes in Iraq, if
:58:32. > :58:34.we get the request. Whether they will do this in Syria,
:58:35. > :58:41.across-the-board, where the regime were requested no such thing. No
:58:42. > :58:44.rest for any of us! That is it for today and indeed from the Labour
:58:45. > :58:47.Party conference in Manchester, coming a world-class conference
:58:48. > :58:53.venue, thanks to the people in Manchester for being so kind to us!
:58:54. > :58:57.1pm news is on BBC1, we will be in London tomorrow with more of the
:58:58. > :59:02.run-up to the recall. I shall be back with this week, on Thursday.
:59:03. > :59:13.Is rocket science easier than you think?
:59:14. > :59:18.Well, BBC iWonder is full of great questions
:59:19. > :59:23.for curious people like us. They just keep on coming.