:00:37. > :00:40.Afternoon, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:41. > :00:43.Ahead of world climate change talks in Paris next month, the UN issues
:00:44. > :00:48.A major step forward, but not enough to meet keep global temperature
:00:49. > :00:55.As thousands of people continue to try to cross into EU countries,
:00:56. > :01:01.JoCo visits the frontline to see how countries are are coping.
:01:02. > :01:07.It's become a key frontline in the crisis.
:01:08. > :01:09.Up to 12,000 migrants have crossed this bridge every day
:01:10. > :01:18.Earlier this week, he signed an agreement to give Scottish Labour
:01:19. > :01:22.more autonomy and, today, Jeremy Corbyn addresses their conference.
:01:23. > :01:26.We'll look at the scale of Labour's electoral challenge.
:01:27. > :01:29.And was Nigel Farage right to compare the fall-out from Portugal's
:01:30. > :01:41.recent elections with Soviet-era military interventions?
:01:42. > :01:48.The Labour bigwig Stewart Wood who was, until May, a key Ed Miliband
:01:49. > :01:50.lieutenant, who was at the former Labour leader's side
:01:51. > :01:57.Let's kick off though with yesterday's House of Commons debate
:01:58. > :02:02.on tax credits, which was tabled by the Labour MP Frank Field.
:02:03. > :02:10.Breaking news, the last British resident to be held in Guantanamo
:02:11. > :02:16.Bay has been released. Saudi national six Micro had been held in
:02:17. > :02:21.military prison in Cuba since 2002 -- Shaker Ahmer. He has never been
:02:22. > :02:25.charged or put on trial. 13 years, never been charged and he is finally
:02:26. > :02:35.getting out. Rubber blade because they are bringing down Guantanamo
:02:36. > :02:39.Bay. Perhaps this, perhaps, this is good news. He has children and one
:02:40. > :02:42.of them he has never seen. I will be interesting to hear the plan for
:02:43. > :02:48.when he comes back, whether he will be arrested. No indication they will
:02:49. > :02:54.do that yet. They may still keep an eye on him. I expect one reason it
:02:55. > :02:59.has taken so long is it sets a President for the 140 people left in
:03:00. > :03:02.Guantanamo Bay which the American Congress and public opinion may have
:03:03. > :03:06.mixed feelings about so that may have got in the way. This is
:03:07. > :03:12.excellent news. Barack Obama wanted to close it down and he campaigned
:03:13. > :03:18.in 2008. He is almost at the end of his second term now and it is still
:03:19. > :03:21.that! In the first year, the American military blocked it in
:03:22. > :03:24.Congress but hopefully this is the beginning of something more
:03:25. > :03:30.permanent. He is coming back by chartered jet. Good for him. Into
:03:31. > :03:35.London. He will not be met by his family, it will be warriors and
:03:36. > :03:38.there will be a family reunion afterwards. We will follow that.
:03:39. > :03:44.What major change is Jeremy Corbyn reported to have ordered
:03:45. > :03:47.in the last week as a morale boaster for his staff?
:03:48. > :03:52.c) The creation of Socialist banners and a flag room.
:03:53. > :03:54.Or d) Turning his office into a chill-out zone?
:03:55. > :03:57.And Stewart will hopefully give us the correct answer a little later
:03:58. > :04:17.A report on climate change says the current proposals do not go far
:04:18. > :04:18.enough to prevent audible temperatures rising by more than 2
:04:19. > :04:21.degrees. The report says that
:04:22. > :04:24.the current proposals do not go far enough to prevent global
:04:25. > :04:26.temperatures from rising by more than two degrees, but they believe
:04:27. > :04:29.the target is still within reach. Representatives from 196 countries
:04:30. > :04:32.will gather in Paris at the end of November, with the aim of reaching a
:04:33. > :04:35.legally-binding deal to cut carbon If a deal is reached,
:04:36. > :04:38.a new global climate change treaty will come into effect in 2020
:04:39. > :04:41.when the current commitments The last time the world came
:04:42. > :04:46.together to discuss climate change, in Copenhagen in 2009,
:04:47. > :04:48.the talks were branded chaotic. Leaders failed to reach
:04:49. > :04:50.a legally binding deal, leaving the world on a pathway for
:04:51. > :04:55.temperature rises of 3C and above. This time, the UN hopes that
:04:56. > :04:57.the presence of world leaders on the first day of the summit will
:04:58. > :05:00.spur on the negotiations. The UN say they are confident that
:05:01. > :05:03.a deal will be reached, but expect that it will fall short
:05:04. > :05:11.of the two degrees goal. Scientists have warned that even if
:05:12. > :05:14.temperature rises are limited to two degrees, sea levels could still rise
:05:15. > :05:20.by as much as six metres above their We can talk now to the BBC's
:05:21. > :05:35.science editor, David Shukman. What do you make of the UN's
:05:36. > :05:40.assessment? On the one hand, it is an amazing achievement that so many
:05:41. > :05:43.countries had decided they will take part in this process. You mentioned
:05:44. > :05:48.the Copenhagen summit in December 2009, I was there and it was a
:05:49. > :05:54.dysfunctional event that ultimately led to failure. There was an attempt
:05:55. > :05:58.to foist carbon reduction targets on different countries and they were
:05:59. > :06:04.not willing to play ball. This completely new approach, bottom-up,
:06:05. > :06:10.not top-down of inviting countries to create their own carbon reduction
:06:11. > :06:14.plans and their own pledges, it in the jargon, the nationally
:06:15. > :06:19.determined contributions, it has turned out well for the UN. There
:06:20. > :06:23.was no guarantee anybody would play ball but we have 146 countries to
:06:24. > :06:28.the beginning of this month and another ten in the last couple of
:06:29. > :06:34.weeks, covering 86% of global emissions. Whatever happens next, in
:06:35. > :06:38.a sense, there is an amazing vote of faith by these countries in the
:06:39. > :06:43.process itself. It remains to be seen who keeps to their promises and
:06:44. > :06:49.what they amount to. What is the minimum that has to happen in Paris
:06:50. > :06:55.for it to be regarded broadly as a success? I think you need these
:06:56. > :07:01.different pledges to be enshrined in legal text. That is a starting point
:07:02. > :07:06.for many countries. And then there is a host of issues that will be
:07:07. > :07:11.extremely difficult but do need to be sorted. For example, at the
:07:12. > :07:15.moment, those pledges add up to emissions over the next 15, 20 years
:07:16. > :07:19.that could keep the rising temperatures to below three degrees.
:07:20. > :07:25.That is hailed as a success by the UN. What counts is what happens
:07:26. > :07:29.after 2030, when this period runs out. Will there be a tough review
:07:30. > :07:36.mechanism? Will everybody be under some kind Russia every five years
:07:37. > :07:43.also to beef up their targets and do more? -- pressure. That is one big
:07:44. > :07:48.area in Paris. The other is finance. Some of these pledges, notably India
:07:49. > :07:53.and other developing countries, they have said they will cut emissions
:07:54. > :07:59.but you, the rich world, you will help to pay for it. And there are
:08:00. > :08:02.big price per -- and there are big price tags attached so no guarantee
:08:03. > :08:06.the money will flow in that direction so no guaranteed they will
:08:07. > :08:11.do what they say is feasible. Lots to sort out in Paris and I think
:08:12. > :08:14.that is why tension is mounting in the run-up to that event because
:08:15. > :08:18.nobody is totally sure how that will play out.
:08:19. > :08:20.Thank you very much for mocking our cards today!
:08:21. > :08:22.We've been joined by the former Conservative energy minister,
:08:23. > :08:26.Greg Barker, who is now in the Lords and chairs the London Sustainable
:08:27. > :08:30.Development Commission, and by UKIP's deputy leader, Paul Nuttall.
:08:31. > :08:38.Welcome, both. Are you confident Paris will be more of a success than
:08:39. > :08:44.Copenhagen? I think that is without a doubt. Copenhagen was not on any
:08:45. > :08:49.terms a success. Not many people could have expected a couple of
:08:50. > :08:52.years ago we would be a session to make progress in Paris. The reason
:08:53. > :08:59.is the cost of Green energy has, tumbling down and we have had big
:09:00. > :09:03.advances in technology and large economies can reduce a Kobane
:09:04. > :09:10.emissions while still growing. The transition to a low carbon economy
:09:11. > :09:16.in 2010 was a pipe dream. A hypothesis. Now it is happening and
:09:17. > :09:19.in an affordable way. We need an ambitious deal in Paris. Still a
:09:20. > :09:24.long way to go but things are looking more encouraging than they
:09:25. > :09:30.did 12 months ago. On current projections, emissions will be 22%
:09:31. > :09:35.higher in 2013 and in 2010. Globally, they will go up. But the
:09:36. > :09:43.big news is that China, the world's largest emitter, will peak emissions
:09:44. > :09:47.by 2030. That was almost thinkable in 2009 in Copenhagen. You have the
:09:48. > :09:51.big developing economies who will dominate the economy of the
:09:52. > :09:56.21st-century accepting they are part of the solution. And you do not have
:09:57. > :10:03.this finger-pointing jihad in Copenhagen, it was all left to
:10:04. > :10:10.Europe and the US -- that you had in Copenhagen. Everybody has a common
:10:11. > :10:13.responsibility. And the UK plays a disproportionately important role in
:10:14. > :10:21.these talks. We have the world's best climate because she tours who
:10:22. > :10:29.get very little credit. -- best climate providers. What do you want
:10:30. > :10:35.to happen in Paris? I would like to see a level playing field for the
:10:36. > :10:40.British. At the moment, what happens at these climate change conferences
:10:41. > :10:44.is Europe goes on ahead and they attempt to meet the targets and the
:10:45. > :10:51.growing economies in China, India for example take no notice. As an
:10:52. > :10:56.example, we are talking about the Chinese saying emissions will peak
:10:57. > :11:04.at 2030, but to my office said the Chinese population will peak at 2030
:11:05. > :11:12.and emissions generally get driven by population. That is mean minded.
:11:13. > :11:19.Anybody who looks thoughtfully at this realises China's commitment and
:11:20. > :11:32.I's engagement and clean energy and solar energy... -- India. The
:11:33. > :11:37.Indians emit a 10th of the emissions of the US and these large economies
:11:38. > :11:43.will grow and it is rightly should do so. It is not holding people down
:11:44. > :11:47.in poverty. We have to have economic growth and do that in a clean way.
:11:48. > :11:51.It also represents a huge opportunity for British business as
:11:52. > :11:56.we have the best games and technology and firms who will make a
:11:57. > :12:00.lot of money out of this low carbon transmission. Nearly all the
:12:01. > :12:09.technology for wind power has been imported. Wind power is one example.
:12:10. > :12:17.Across-the-board, looking at the value of the low carbon sector...
:12:18. > :12:24.The Chinese lead on solar powers. The Europeans, Denmark, Germany,
:12:25. > :12:30.they read on wind power. Where do we read? And a range of subgroups
:12:31. > :12:35.within that. We are not a big heavy manufacturer in that way but in
:12:36. > :12:41.terms of light materials and energy efficiency technology and a number
:12:42. > :12:46.of applications, and in finance, more money was raised from London to
:12:47. > :12:54.finance the global economy than any other centre. Your government has
:12:55. > :12:57.just closed the Greenbank. The Green investment bank is a huge success
:12:58. > :13:08.story. It has been privatised as a result. It is about ?6 billion now.
:13:09. > :13:13.Of taxpayers' money. Not sure that is privatisation, never mind! It is
:13:14. > :13:18.going to attract private investment and it will live at that investment.
:13:19. > :13:23.So millions of pounds. Is it not time for Britain to recognise if it
:13:24. > :13:28.is to cut carbon emissions, the economy has to change? There have
:13:29. > :13:35.been still making losses of jobs in the North, probably more, is that an
:13:36. > :13:41.inevitable changing of the balance of power in the world economy and
:13:42. > :13:45.that is not what we do any more? The problem is energy prices. Energy
:13:46. > :13:49.prices here they are three times of France and the most expensive in the
:13:50. > :14:02.EU and the world. And the problem is it is what... Hold on. Energy prices
:14:03. > :14:09.are the most expensive. The most expensive in the EU, 3 times of
:14:10. > :14:16.France. The problem we have got is that companies move from Britain to
:14:17. > :14:23.the cheap economies in China and so on and we get left behind. When
:14:24. > :14:30.steel production is moved, CO2 production is not cut. It simply
:14:31. > :14:34.moves to somewhere where they will be less monitored than in the UK.
:14:35. > :14:37.Yes, so you have to be sensible and not disproportionately penalised
:14:38. > :14:42.industry. We need to do more to ensure they maintain a competitive
:14:43. > :14:47.advantage. Clean electricity, wind power and solar power is driving
:14:48. > :14:54.down the cost of electricity in the UK because costs have come down so
:14:55. > :14:59.much. That has not been reflected in wholesale prices, in the retail
:15:00. > :15:07.prices to domestic or industrial users.
:15:08. > :15:16.It is about 4.5 pence in France. It is half. Why is it is so much in
:15:17. > :15:20.Britain? Because we disproportionately load energy taxes
:15:21. > :15:25.and levies on to industry rather than consumers. You do that? It has
:15:26. > :15:30.been the case that we have, we have put less on consumers and more on
:15:31. > :15:35.industry. In Germany it is the other way round, consumers pay more than
:15:36. > :15:41.we do here in the UK. But ultimately you are looking at it is wrong way.
:15:42. > :15:45.We need to look at making it cheaper by using less, energy efficiency has
:15:46. > :15:50.more potential in this country. We with drive down bills by helping
:15:51. > :15:56.them use less in the home. I am led to believe that green levies are
:15:57. > :16:01.putting round ?70 on household bills. So we are subsidising these
:16:02. > :16:07.wind farms which make rich people richer and poor people poorer. It is
:16:08. > :16:12.not sustainable or fair. What is your view Stewart Wood? There is
:16:13. > :16:17.cause for optimism. I was at Copenhagen with Gordon Brown's team.
:16:18. > :16:22.Was it as much of a shambles as people say? There wasn't this
:16:23. > :16:27.process David Shuckman talks about. The US and China had different
:16:28. > :16:31.pressures not do a deal, dropping countries were resentful. --
:16:32. > :16:37.developing. Didn't the President leave early because there was a snow
:16:38. > :16:43.storm coming in? I remember it was cold and snowy. In the process, the,
:16:44. > :16:50.it has been better. I don't want to make a cheap point but I will make a
:16:51. > :16:55.small one. We are famous for them. I think Gordon Brown and David Cameron
:16:56. > :16:58.in a rare moment of team work, have been supportive of this agenda of
:16:59. > :17:04.providing funds for developing countries to buy them into a global
:17:05. > :17:07.deal. On the domestic front Amber Rudd didn't mention Paris in her
:17:08. > :17:12.speech. The secretary for climate change didn't mention this. There
:17:13. > :17:18.has been a huge cut in subsidies to the renewable energies... She was
:17:19. > :17:23.very punchy on Paris. Why are you cutting subsidies? The cost of
:17:24. > :17:33.technology is getting cheaper. It is a huge success. Why have you
:17:34. > :17:39.withdrawn supports for zero carbon homes? Every single investment,
:17:40. > :17:43.seems to be going against the renewables and clean energy agenda.
:17:44. > :17:47.We have had unprecedented investment in clean energy under David Cameron.
:17:48. > :17:52.The UK has become a world leader in offshore wind. We is the most
:17:53. > :17:56.expensive form of energy. The cost is coming down. We keep on being
:17:57. > :18:01.told. The cost of clean energy is coming down. Why o do all these
:18:02. > :18:07.companies scream if you take the subsidies away they won't do it. I
:18:08. > :18:12.cut the tariffs for solar in 2011. We had a massive expansion. The
:18:13. > :18:17.question is getting the right balance. We are squeezed of time.
:18:18. > :18:21.There will be lots of more of this. This afternoon, Jeremy Corbyn will
:18:22. > :18:23.address the Scottish Labour He's expected to say
:18:24. > :18:27.his party is now the socialist But after Labour's devastating
:18:28. > :18:30.wipe-out north of the border in the general election,
:18:31. > :18:33.can he hope to claw back support We'll discuss this
:18:34. > :18:50.in a moment with Stewart Wood. The Labour Party has agonised over
:18:51. > :18:55.why, when Ed Miliband went to vote in this year's general election it
:18:56. > :18:59.didn't start a day that would end in Downing Street.
:19:00. > :19:03.The electorate and press have said what they thought the problem was,
:19:04. > :19:06.but the story internally is more complicated and surprising.
:19:07. > :19:11.That the public had something of a problem with the man himself was no
:19:12. > :19:13.secret to his circle but despite his slight awkwardness and that
:19:14. > :19:20.troublesome breakfast, something he was advised not to do beforehand, he
:19:21. > :19:24.could still joke about it, If she is looking for a new challenge she
:19:25. > :19:28.should try wrestling a bacon sandwich, live on national
:19:29. > :19:32.television. And many voters had settled on their view of Ed as a
:19:33. > :19:37.person years before. Not everyone was negative. What seemed more of a
:19:38. > :19:41.problem was they new they appeared anti-business. In fact it wasn't
:19:42. > :19:44.something the internal polling was saying hurt them much. No
:19:45. > :19:49.economically, it was handling the past to prove they could handle the
:19:50. > :19:55.future that was devastating. Do you accept that when Labour was last in
:19:56. > :20:02.power, it overspent? No, I don't. I know you may no agree with that, but
:20:03. > :20:06.let me say very clearly. Even with all the borrowing. That simple
:20:07. > :20:10.answer to a simple question was not the one he had rehearsed with his
:20:11. > :20:14.team and was the one they knew the public responded least well too.
:20:15. > :20:19.Given what he forgot to say about the deficit in his final conference
:20:20. > :20:23.speech, that polled very well when actually revealed to focus groups,
:20:24. > :20:29.this amounted to a terrible double own goal. But there was another
:20:30. > :20:33.problem. The truth is that no one party looks likely to win an
:20:34. > :20:37.outright majority at this election. We will need to build bridges
:20:38. > :20:42.between the different parties if we are to deliver. Is Such an idea was
:20:43. > :20:47.giving the confident the idea to warn. And the Labour team had been
:20:48. > :20:53.divided on how to fight that. Jim Murphy always a little to Ed's
:20:54. > :20:56.right. Five steps to the left... Argued all options should be
:20:57. > :21:02.acknowledged. Douglas Alexander the strategist wanted a firm message
:21:03. > :21:09.from the outset. Let me be plain. We are not going to do a deal. Days lay
:21:10. > :21:12.later in Scotland and we know and hindsight is easy politics, the
:21:13. > :21:14.infamous Ed stone became an electoral headstone.
:21:15. > :21:18.Stewart Wood is still with me - he was Shadow Minister without
:21:19. > :21:21.Portfolio, and a key adviser to Ed Miliband until May this year.
:21:22. > :21:24.And we've been joined by the BBC political correspondent Iain Watson,
:21:25. > :21:26.whose recent book, Five Million Conversations, analyses what went
:21:27. > :21:41.When you look back now, on broad brush, what is have you concluded
:21:42. > :21:45.was the reason you lost? I mean, I don't want to get too complicated.
:21:46. > :21:49.One is in the short-term for those five years we didn't do enough to
:21:50. > :21:52.reassure people their taxes were safe in our hands. I think there was
:21:53. > :21:57.an economic credibility issue, we were aware of it going in, we
:21:58. > :22:00.thought the economic argument pointed towards different stance,
:22:01. > :22:07.perhaps to the way the political constraints we faced pointed and let
:22:08. > :22:11.us be honest we didn't resolve that satisfactorily. Some people have
:22:12. > :22:15.problems with Ed and the leadership. Let us be honest about that too. In
:22:16. > :22:20.the last few week, the Scottish issue reared its head. It was always
:22:21. > :22:28.pretty devastating prospect north of the border. Its appearance south of
:22:29. > :22:35.the border... The English fear of Miliband, sturgeon, some
:22:36. > :22:43.combination? Yes, trustability on spending, combined with fears, this
:22:44. > :22:52.is the Conservative's term not mine but blackmailing a minority Labour
:22:53. > :22:54.Government. The sense of Labour weakness on spending, with
:22:55. > :23:00.ScottishPower over us, Scottish National Party power. That is my
:23:01. > :23:03.sense. That is interesting, there was a generic reason and the
:23:04. > :23:10.campaign reason that came in. What did you find? A whole range of
:23:11. > :23:13.thing, the reason it is called Five Million Conversations Ed Miliband
:23:14. > :23:17.declared he had won the ground war. He said we have had five million
:23:18. > :23:23.conversations and this will go to the wire. A spoiler alert is it did
:23:24. > :23:27.not go to wire, why did it not? Stewart has gone through the
:23:28. > :23:30.political failure, there is organisational failures as well.
:23:31. > :23:35.Labour spent a huge amount. 18 million on its field operation, but
:23:36. > :23:39.largely they hadn't changed the way of thinking. We they were trying to
:23:40. > :23:44.pull out the Labour vote in the traditional way but there was no
:23:45. > :23:48.Plan B when they found out that the Labour vote was evaporating. One
:23:49. > :23:52.minister said it was like talking through an glass partition. We
:23:53. > :23:57.didn't know how to report back, when people said we don't know, they were
:23:58. > :24:01.blind sided. Also they were under informed about how badly they were
:24:02. > :24:04.doing, so for example, the Conservatives private polling was
:24:05. > :24:11.suggesting they would get in excess of 300 seats. Labour were working on
:24:12. > :24:14.a scenario they would never get more than 290 seats. There was a gap,
:24:15. > :24:20.they didn't know when things were going wrong. When did it dawn on you
:24:21. > :24:26.you were going to lose? My view going into the last few days, in a
:24:27. > :24:30.way the campaign was in terms of popular opinion, it felt when you
:24:31. > :24:34.were in the bus on the campaign you were in the same position as at the
:24:35. > :24:38.beginning, very close, neck and neck, my personal view was it would
:24:39. > :24:41.be a hung parliament with the Tories ahead. I thought that would be
:24:42. > :24:47.difficult for us to be in power. That is my own personal view. But
:24:48. > :24:52.the scale of the defeat was a surprise to me at one minute past
:24:53. > :24:55.ten when the Exit Poll came out. It is true that Mr Miliband thought the
:24:56. > :25:00.Exit Poll was a rogue? I think because it was so at odds with all
:25:01. > :25:04.the other information we had been getting and all of you had been get,
:25:05. > :25:08.it was true when we were in to be caster and the poll came out, our
:25:09. > :25:15.initial thought was this doesn't sound right. It proved on the wrong.
:25:16. > :25:19.It was pretty much right. Scotland, the Scottish Labour Party
:25:20. > :25:24.meeting at the moment, almost a Total wipe-out of the party north of
:25:25. > :25:29.the border. If you you don't get some kind of come back in Scotland,
:25:30. > :25:36.the mountain you have to climb to win the next election is huge. Sure.
:25:37. > :25:42.In England. You are a hundred seats behind. You need a 12% swing. It is
:25:43. > :25:46.hard to see the makings of a come back in Scotland Well, it is very
:25:47. > :25:50.difficult to see us coming back in the next five years because there is
:25:51. > :25:53.a mountain to climb. I accept the scale of the challenge, you are
:25:54. > :25:57.right about that. I don't quite accept the idea what you need do in
:25:58. > :26:02.Scotland is different to the rest of the country. I wasn't implying that,
:26:03. > :26:07.you need to recoup a lot of ground in Scotland, otherwise you have to
:26:08. > :26:14.do so well in England that it is Mission Impossible. I agree. At the
:26:15. > :26:18.moment we are facing a Scottish National Party that has this
:26:19. > :26:21.extraordinary position of being an incumbent, that is difficult to
:26:22. > :26:25.fight again for any party. Look, I think what Jeremy is trying to do in
:26:26. > :26:29.Scotland today and more broadly is bring a mission back to the public's
:26:30. > :26:34.peresubpoenaion of what Labour is about. That is what we have to do
:26:35. > :26:38.whether we are losing voters to the Ukip or the SNP or others. It is
:26:39. > :26:42.nowhere near the end of the story. You have to branch out from a
:26:43. > :26:46.mission that will galvanise your voter, but that is the first
:26:47. > :26:50.challenge. He seems to think in Scotland it's a race to be left,
:26:51. > :26:55.talking about the socialist alternative there to the SNP. In
:26:56. > :27:00.other words we, Labour, Mr Wore bin -- Corbyn is a going to say is going
:27:01. > :27:08.to be more left-wing than the SNP. If you look at how the Scottish
:27:09. > :27:09.Government behaves it is a centrist. Moderately centre-left or
:27:10. > :27:15.centre-right Government. You are right. They have these symbols of
:27:16. > :27:22.the left-wing credential, anti-Trident and the like. But they
:27:23. > :27:29.have almost have a Blairite big tent. One of the interesting things
:27:30. > :27:33.in the book, on the eve of Hallowe'en it is more shocking for
:27:34. > :27:38.Labour supporters than Stewart is suggesting. One is if Jeremy Corbyn
:27:39. > :27:42.comes off this austerity agenda the polling is showing that the SNP were
:27:43. > :27:46.trusted, trusted to spend more than Labour, but also to spend it more
:27:47. > :27:52.wisely than labour, so that isn't a solution. The second thing is a huge
:27:53. > :27:55.change in attitudes. When I covered the first Scottish Parliament
:27:56. > :28:00.elections Labour did very well with a slogan, divorce is an expensive
:28:01. > :28:05.business. They tried a similar tactic during the election. They
:28:06. > :28:11.said there will be an 8 billion hole in the budget. They tested that in
:28:12. > :28:16.the focus groups, and it said, that that attack voters thought was
:28:17. > :28:20.entirely credible, yet not particularly scary, one person in
:28:21. > :28:24.the group summed up the whole thing by saying divorce costs you money.
:28:25. > :28:29.So the attitude changes from it being an expensive business to a
:28:30. > :28:34.price worth paying. That will be difficult for for an English based
:28:35. > :28:39.leader to pull back before next year's Scottish elections.
:28:40. > :28:43.What would you advice the, if I can call them the moderates in the
:28:44. > :28:49.Labour Party, those in the centre and what we used to talk of as the
:28:50. > :28:55.right. What should there strategy be over the next five years. One of the
:28:56. > :28:58.characteristics the of Jeremy's leadership, he will be encouraging
:28:59. > :29:02.people to be in the business of idea, new thinking. It is clear, you
:29:03. > :29:10.have new groups sprouting up inside the Labour fold. At lot are worried
:29:11. > :29:14.about the appointment of Andrew Fisher, Seamus Mill and momentum,
:29:15. > :29:21.this new grass movement they fear is going to sweep them up. What has Mr
:29:22. > :29:27.Corbyn done to reach out to the parts of the party who are
:29:28. > :29:33.frightened of him? We have heard that is a sustainability cabinet.
:29:34. > :29:41.That for a little while He has a job as head of comes. He said that on
:29:42. > :29:43.perish today. Look, I think for the Jeremy Corbyn knows that the
:29:44. > :29:47.Parliamentary Labour Party will take time to be reconciled to his
:29:48. > :29:50.leadership. This is time to be doing some fundamental thinking. It is not
:29:51. > :29:54.just the Labour Party that is left party in trouble. It is one of many
:29:55. > :29:57.across the developed world of in serious trouble. And if ever there
:29:58. > :30:01.was a time for fundamental thinking and genuine debate, this is it. And
:30:02. > :30:05.Jeremy Corbyn I think is someone who has shown already he is committed to
:30:06. > :30:08.it and he is going to let different parts of the Labour Party have
:30:09. > :30:16.different answers. We will leave it there.
:30:17. > :30:23.I have had about 4 million conversations! About tax credits!
:30:24. > :30:25.It's time now to find out the answer to our quiz.
:30:26. > :30:28.What major change is Jeremy Corbyn reported to have ordered
:30:29. > :30:31.in the last week as a morale-booster for his staff?
:30:32. > :30:44.c) The creation of a Socialist banners and flag room.
:30:45. > :30:46.Or d) Turning his office into a chill-out zone?
:30:47. > :30:48.So, Stewart Wood, what's the correct answer?
:30:49. > :30:55.I would like to think it was alcohol in the office. I think it is the
:30:56. > :30:58.chill out zone. It is indeed.
:30:59. > :31:01.Turning his office into a chill-out zone, a kind of
:31:02. > :31:06.But why did My Corbyn want to give up the Leader of the Opposition's
:31:07. > :31:07.grand quarters and move into more humble surroundings?
:31:08. > :31:10.And joining me now to discuss Mr Corbyn's grand office designs is
:31:11. > :31:21.Is this a good bank? It is a very good thing for him. This morning, I
:31:22. > :31:28.see he has got a snake on his destiny chart. So having a snake,
:31:29. > :31:32.that is in charge of the environment so you can say he can smell a good
:31:33. > :31:42.place. It's a snake at the then to have? -- is a snake a good thing to
:31:43. > :31:47.have? For him, it is good. And it will help him to make a decision. He
:31:48. > :31:55.said he felt like a prisoner in a cage. Yes. Snakes need a very nice
:31:56. > :32:05.environment to develop and have the best. And because he has got a lot
:32:06. > :32:09.of output in his chart, he is very much a people's man, working for
:32:10. > :32:14.other people. He is very happy when he can do something for somebody
:32:15. > :32:20.else. You know this office, did it seem like a gilded cage? I have been
:32:21. > :32:25.there, it did not so much to me. It was more of a cage. It is stuck away
:32:26. > :32:28.in the corner, you do not pass through it. You have to look for
:32:29. > :32:34.people rather than getting people coming to you. It is a bit out of
:32:35. > :32:39.the way. Does he have a room behind the Speaker's check? Yes, that is
:32:40. > :32:47.very old panelled and not a good place to work. -- a panel. That is
:32:48. > :32:52.the old room? That has got Ed Miliband. What do you make when you
:32:53. > :32:58.see that room? Does it need feng shui? It is very difficult to say
:32:59. > :33:06.because it is just a room. But I looked at the environment of the
:33:07. > :33:11.area where he moved to. It is very nice, the area. I have disabled the
:33:12. > :33:19.environment is according to how he is. Number 10, this is where he
:33:20. > :33:26.would have been, Ed Miliband. We do not have that. One Labour source
:33:27. > :33:30.says the old office has been turned into, a company university style
:33:31. > :33:36.common room where we can relax and brainstorm. As a former university
:33:37. > :33:40.lecturer, I would be very much opposed to that! I thought you would
:33:41. > :33:48.like it. It has a lot of comfortable sofas. And I understand he has moved
:33:49. > :33:52.to the office Ed Balls had and George Osborne previously used a lot
:33:53. > :33:58.so I would like to know George Osborne's destiny chart! When you
:33:59. > :34:01.feng shui something, it is not just the room, it is the environment
:34:02. > :34:10.around it? That is right, I begin with the environment. And then we
:34:11. > :34:15.move on to the internals. Now we are looking at it. This is not a very
:34:16. > :34:20.good position. This is the office of the Prime Minister. It does not look
:34:21. > :34:26.like that. A bottle of wine in the background! He is backing the door.
:34:27. > :34:31.He should face the door. In order to be in control. That is the double
:34:32. > :34:40.door to the Cabinet room and there is a door in front of him. They
:34:41. > :34:46.always use the Cabinet room. That is right. We are going to tell the
:34:47. > :34:48.Prime Minister he needs to feng shui it.
:34:49. > :34:52.Coming up in a moment, it's our regular look at what's been
:34:53. > :34:58.For now, it's time to say goodbye to my guest of the day, Stewart Wood.
:34:59. > :35:03.So for the next half an hour, we're going to be focussing on Europe.
:35:04. > :35:05.We'll be discussing the migrant crisis,
:35:06. > :35:08.the end of mobile roaming charges across the EU, and the fall-out
:35:09. > :35:11.First though, here's our guide to the latest
:35:12. > :35:20.The European refugee crisis continues, with more than 85,000
:35:21. > :35:25.migrants crossing into Slovenia in the last ten days.
:35:26. > :35:28.Following an emergency mini-summit, the EU agreed to send 400 border
:35:29. > :35:34.guards to help slow down the flow of refugees.
:35:35. > :35:37.The right-wing Law and Justice party came out on top in Poland's general
:35:38. > :35:40.election, celebrating the biggest victory by a single since Poland
:35:41. > :35:45.Following the Volkswagen scandal, the EU has adopted tougher
:35:46. > :35:46.emissions tests for cars, though Green politicians say
:35:47. > :35:52.the rules don't go far enough and are considering a legal challenge.
:35:53. > :35:59.Meanwhile, David Cameron attended a Northern Future forum in Iceland,
:36:00. > :36:02.where he found time to warn Eurosceptics that copying Norway,
:36:03. > :36:07.And some good news for your phone bill.
:36:08. > :36:09.The European Parliament has voted to scrap mobile roaming charges,
:36:10. > :36:13.meaning a phone call in the UK will cross cost the same across Europe.
:36:14. > :36:24.So no excuse for not calling your mum when you're on holiday.
:36:25. > :36:27.And with us for the next 30 minutes, I've been joined by the
:36:28. > :36:31.Labour MEP Mary Honeyball, and by UKIP's deputy leader Paul Nuttall.
:36:32. > :36:36.Let's take a look at one of those stories in more detail, the vote
:36:37. > :36:50.For years, we have complained about the astronomical cost of using your
:36:51. > :36:57.phone in Europe. Now something has been done about it. This must be
:36:58. > :37:02.welcomed? Very much so. It has taken a long time. Yes, I was on the
:37:03. > :37:06.committee when this was first introduced. That was six or seven
:37:07. > :37:11.years ago and it had been considered for some time before then. We
:37:12. > :37:16.finally got it through. Roaming charges will be abolished altogether
:37:17. > :37:21.in 2017 so people can go to the EU and they will not pay an additional
:37:22. > :37:25.charge. The cost of using it there would be the same as here?
:37:26. > :37:30.Absolutely, this has to be a good then. It is great for MEPs and
:37:31. > :37:37.jetsetters and businessman who travel regularly in Europe. What
:37:38. > :37:41.about holiday-makers? We have no guarantee companies will not push
:37:42. > :37:46.the cost onto the domestic user and three have said they would do. The
:37:47. > :37:50.roaming coalition that represents a group of mobile phone providers have
:37:51. > :37:55.said they might do it. So a pensioner could be subsidising MEPs
:37:56. > :37:59.and business people, wealthy people who travel regularly across Europe.
:38:00. > :38:04.And the people who will not benefit if it goes onto domestic users will
:38:05. > :38:09.be people who go to to the Algarve for a week because that will be
:38:10. > :38:13.offset against their domestic bill. This is absolutely not true. In the
:38:14. > :38:19.report from the European Parliament, there is a mechanism whereby if
:38:20. > :38:24.roaming charges do increase, the national regulators can deal with
:38:25. > :38:30.it. They can put it right. So this... I would have thought Ukip
:38:31. > :38:34.would be pleased because this pushes it back to each individual member
:38:35. > :38:40.state to make that decision. I am terribly surprised at Ukip's
:38:41. > :38:46.attitude. Everybody has wanted this to happen. Everyone who travels
:38:47. > :38:51.regularly across Europe. I am surprised at you being a Labour MEP
:38:52. > :38:57.not standing for working class people in this country. In 2007, I
:38:58. > :39:01.was there, they said there was no guaranteed they will not push this
:39:02. > :39:06.on to the domestic user. The national regulator. That happening,
:39:07. > :39:13.it has the power to do so. Will they, really? Europe has finally
:39:14. > :39:17.done something the consumer will like! Is that which you are not
:39:18. > :39:23.happy? This is hard nosed business, they will not lose money. They will
:39:24. > :39:28.get it back I pushing it on to poor people. You are just angry is
:39:29. > :39:31.because -- you are just angry because the European Union has done
:39:32. > :39:36.something that voters will understand and benefit from. I am
:39:37. > :39:39.angry because it could be pushed onto poor domestic people and I am
:39:40. > :39:46.standing up for working class people. Ukip has got this totally
:39:47. > :39:48.wrong. Time will tell! Punishing your own voters.
:39:49. > :39:50.European Union leaders have again been discussing how to respond to
:39:51. > :39:53.the huge numbers of migrants arriving at the EU's borders
:39:54. > :39:55.This week, the EU Commission President,
:39:56. > :39:59.Jean Claude Juncker, warned the EU is running out of money to handle
:40:00. > :40:01.the crisis, and called on national governments to dig deeper.
:40:02. > :40:09.And the crisis is putting relations between EU countries under strain.
:40:10. > :40:11.In Germany, the Interior Minister has said
:40:12. > :40:13.Austria should stop waving asylum seekers through to Germany and start
:40:14. > :40:22.Jo Coburn reports from the German/Austrian border.
:40:23. > :40:25.They have come from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq,
:40:26. > :40:28.ending up at this holding point on the Austrian border.
:40:29. > :40:31.Local volunteers call out numbers on the different coloured
:40:32. > :40:33.wristbands given to everyone before they pass through.
:40:34. > :40:42.Now it's the turn of Salma and her family.
:40:43. > :40:45.Their delight and relief is all too obvious.
:40:46. > :40:52.They fled Syria a month ago and have finally made it to Germany.
:40:53. > :40:55.They are just a few of nearly 80,000 people who have crossed into the
:40:56. > :41:01.It has become a front line in this European migrant crisis,
:41:02. > :41:02.with tensions mounting between German and Austrian
:41:03. > :41:11.Migrants arriving at Salzburg train station are looked
:41:12. > :41:17.after in this underground car park, but they are not registered here.
:41:18. > :41:20.It's just a staging post for a few days at most.
:41:21. > :41:22.Today, I've talked with one woman who wants
:41:23. > :41:28.But if you talk with other refugees, they only have Germany as
:41:29. > :41:34.That is because of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel's
:41:35. > :41:40.bold policy to welcome all Syrian refugees.
:41:41. > :41:42.The reality on the ground, for a small-town like Freilassing,
:41:43. > :41:48.is that everyday life has been turned upside down.
:41:49. > :41:54.Naturally, the borders are being controlled.
:41:55. > :41:56.There are queues and people feel they are not
:41:57. > :42:01.The Mayor has voiced his concerns directly to Angela Merkel
:42:02. > :42:09.She told him she was working tirelessly to find a solution.
:42:10. > :42:12.As the political pressure mounts, the response locally has been
:42:13. > :42:17.This furniture warehouse has been turned into a temporary shelter run
:42:18. > :42:21.by volunteers, state police and local government.
:42:22. > :42:24.Salma and her family would have spent just a matter
:42:25. > :42:28.of hours here before being moved on to a local train station, with
:42:29. > :42:32.1,200 other people, and transported to other cities across Germany.
:42:33. > :42:35.All the people here now have just arrived a few hours ago.
:42:36. > :42:42.How does it feel to be safe here in Germany?
:42:43. > :42:50.The German people have treated you well?
:42:51. > :43:00.It is a huge logistical operation and the strain on local and national
:43:01. > :43:09.Our capacity is limited, although we do have officials and volunteers
:43:10. > :43:16.Basically, we are ready to help but in the last few weeks,
:43:17. > :43:23.The flow of people shows no sign of slowing down.
:43:24. > :43:25.As they move on to their final destination,
:43:26. > :43:28.elsewhere in Germany, the impact of this mass migration will be felt
:43:29. > :43:55.The scale of the migrant crisis, refugee crisis, asylum seeker
:43:56. > :44:00.crisis, it seems so far to be beyond Europe's ability to resolve. It is
:44:01. > :44:06.very, very difficult. They are refugees, of course. The majority of
:44:07. > :44:12.those coming to Europe are fleeing from Syria, most of them. They are
:44:13. > :44:19.refugees. They are not safe. Can we tell the difference now? What we
:44:20. > :44:24.need to see, this is a humanitarian crisis. There is serious war going
:44:25. > :44:29.on in Syria, people are fleeing because they are not safe. People do
:44:30. > :44:36.not give up their homes and the livelihood and go across dangerous
:44:37. > :44:40.seas for no reason. Whatever we call it, let's not get hung up on it, it
:44:41. > :44:46.is a human Terry and crisis. The question is, Europe seems nowhere
:44:47. > :44:50.near working out how to resolve it -- you manage Terry on. It has been
:44:51. > :44:58.a huge strain on Europe and we have two admit that. Germany alone, in
:44:59. > :45:01.the last five months, there have been 120,000 refugees just from
:45:02. > :45:07.Syria, it is a massive things going on here. What should the solution
:45:08. > :45:18.be? What should the European response be?
:45:19. > :45:23.more of an agreement to share them round a bit, because it is just, it
:45:24. > :45:26.is just not working very well, although Germany, your clip was
:45:27. > :45:31.interesting, has welcomed a lot of these refugees and is doing by the
:45:32. > :45:34.sounds of it a very good job. It is causing Angela Merkel some real
:45:35. > :45:39.problems now. I will come back to that. Surely if Europe is to cope
:45:40. > :45:43.with this it is a massive influx. It isn't going to go away. The burden,
:45:44. > :45:48.the problem has to be shared. It does but it shouldn't be shared
:45:49. > :45:54.across Europe, it should be shared across the Arab world as well. You
:45:55. > :45:57.look at the rich Gulf state, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they are doing
:45:58. > :46:03.nothing to help them. They are not taking anybody in. They are not
:46:04. > :46:10.going there. They don't want to go there. If you were a secular Syrian
:46:11. > :46:16.out of Damascus, why would you want to go to Saudi Arabia Euro start
:46:17. > :46:19.said that between April and June this year, 80% of the people who
:46:20. > :46:29.were coming weren't coming from Syria. That was the ones coming out
:46:30. > :46:33.of Libya. The coming out of Turkey, which is where most of them are
:46:34. > :46:38.coming in to Greece, are overwhelmingly Syrian, so why should
:46:39. > :46:43.they not be shared round? Actually, the German authorities are saying
:46:44. > :46:48.that one this three who turn up, with a Syrian passport in Germany,
:46:49. > :46:54.it turns out to be fake. Fake. They are on the Turkish black market.
:46:55. > :46:57.When you say you have ayes flooding our continent with Islamists, don't
:46:58. > :47:04.you think we would do something about this. I think that is undually
:47:05. > :47:09.alarmist. It is bordering on being ridiculous.? Ridiculous? OK. This is
:47:10. > :47:14.a humanitarian issue. Some of them very very few may be terrorists.
:47:15. > :47:19.Obviously, we need to take action to deal with that, but most of them are
:47:20. > :47:24.ordinary people, who are fleeing from a country where they are not
:47:25. > :47:28.safe. Mostly men. Nobody braves what they have gone through to leave
:47:29. > :47:33.somewhere unless they have a good reason, an overwhelming reason. The
:47:34. > :47:42.majority are not coming from Syria, they are mostly young men. The
:47:43. > :47:45.German employment agency say there will be 400,000 new welfare
:47:46. > :47:49.claimants because 80% are unqualified and unskilled. Can I ask
:47:50. > :47:54.you a broader question about this. This is developing into the European
:47:55. > :47:57.Unions biggest ever crisis. It is much bigger than the eurozone,
:47:58. > :48:00.because that only affected the eurozone n is affecting all of
:48:01. > :48:06.Europe, in the end the eurozone crisis came down to Greece, a very
:48:07. > :48:11.small part. We have had Donald tusk, the President of the European
:48:12. > :48:17.council. Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the Commission, and the
:48:18. > :48:22.head of form -- foreign policy, saying this is an existential crisis
:48:23. > :48:26.for Europe. Europe they have all said, may not survive this.
:48:27. > :48:30.Obviously, there is massive concern, and the fact that all three of the
:48:31. > :48:37.institutions, the heads are saying this, means we do need to deal with
:48:38. > :48:42.it. You are not. The point is, Andrew, that often it is existential
:48:43. > :48:45.crises seem to happen to the EU. The yuers, there have been ones before.
:48:46. > :48:49.Europe does have an ability to get through this. I think this is a
:48:50. > :48:56.massive crisis and it's a crisis not only for Europe but for the Middle
:48:57. > :48:57.East as well. Well we will stick with the European crisis, we will
:48:58. > :49:00.narrow into one country. Now, on Tuesday, the UKIP leader
:49:01. > :49:03.Nigel Farage got to his feet in the European Parliament to denounce
:49:04. > :49:05.the decision of Portugal's President to invite the leader of the
:49:06. > :49:08.right-of-centre party to attempt to form a government, despite the fact
:49:09. > :49:11.that the country's left-wing parties won a majority of seats in their
:49:12. > :49:13.general election in early October. This is
:49:14. > :49:26.the modern day implementation This is exactly what happened to
:49:27. > :49:34.states living inside the USSR. What has been made clear here,
:49:35. > :49:37.with Greece, and indeed with Portugal, is that a
:49:38. > :49:40.country only has democratic rights Nigel Farage speaking in
:49:41. > :49:51.the European Parliament on Tuesday. We asked our reporter, Ellie Price,
:49:52. > :50:04.to swat up on the Portuguese Is Ellie, talk us through what
:50:05. > :50:07.happened, the biggest party was the centre-right party, which had been
:50:08. > :50:10.in Government but it didn't have enough to form an overall majority,
:50:11. > :50:15.so what did the President, who is the head of state, what happened?
:50:16. > :50:18.Well, let me prove do you I have done my homework and read up on the
:50:19. > :50:24.constitution. I found the right bit. In order for the President to choose
:50:25. > :50:27.a Prime Minister, he must consult the parties with seats in the
:50:28. > :50:31.assembly and make his decision in light of the electoral results so
:50:32. > :50:39.let us take it back a notch. On 4th October there was an election in
:50:40. > :50:41.Portugal. The centrist right incumbent Prime Minister was the
:50:42. > :50:45.largest party but lost his majority in the Parliament. The President
:50:46. > :50:49.duly announced he would be picked as the Prime Minister, and would run a
:50:50. > :50:53.minority Government. So far so simple, but here are the
:50:54. > :50:58.complicating factor, first up, we have the reason that the President
:50:59. > :51:04.gave for appointing the centrist right pairty. He appeared to be
:51:05. > :51:08.suggesting he didn't like the policy sofs the other left-wing party, he
:51:09. > :51:12.he thought it sounded like he was saying they were too anti-Europe and
:51:13. > :51:16.too anti-austerity. He is reported to have said in 40 years of
:51:17. > :51:20.democracy no Government in Portugal has depenned on the support of
:51:21. > :51:23.anti-European forces. And this is the worse moment for a radical
:51:24. > :51:27.change to the foundations of our democracy.
:51:28. > :51:33.That brings us on neatly to complicating factor number two.
:51:34. > :51:36.Previously, there hasn't been a viable left-wing coalition that
:51:37. > :51:43.would be able to go up against the centrist right. Now it would seem
:51:44. > :51:47.that the Portuguese socialists led by Antonio Costa has managed to form
:51:48. > :51:52.an alliance with the left bloc and the Communists to come up with a
:51:53. > :51:59.coalition of moderate left and far left, and what they are suggesting,
:52:00. > :52:01.that, that combined a they would be far bigger than the incumbent Prime
:52:02. > :52:06.Minister. What they have said they will do in the next few days is put
:52:07. > :52:09.up a vote of no confidence, which would bring down that minority
:52:10. > :52:12.Government, and then we would expect the Prime Minister to have to then
:52:13. > :52:15.appoint the left-wing Prime Minister.
:52:16. > :52:23.All right. Thank you very much for that. Interesting explanation. What
:52:24. > :52:26.does this have to do with the Berezovsky never doctrine? Are there
:52:27. > :52:31.tanks on the street? No it says, doesn't it you can have a veneer of
:52:32. > :52:36.democracy as long as you agree socialism as it was back then. This
:52:37. > :52:40.has been turned on its head. Brussels doesn't have its mitts on
:52:41. > :52:48.this but I will say, it does follow a pattern. What is... Let me finish.
:52:49. > :52:52.Berlusconi for example. I am talking about Portugal. It is widely example
:52:53. > :52:58.that the President's speech was ill-judged. But constitutionally, he
:52:59. > :53:01.is perfectly within his rights, to ask the largest party, which is the
:53:02. > :53:06.centre-right party to form a government. It is also quite clear
:53:07. > :53:09.that if it tries to form a government, there will be an
:53:10. > :53:13.immediate vote of confidence, it will probably lose that vote of
:53:14. > :53:18.confidence, and the President has indicated he will then ask the
:53:19. > :53:22.centre-left party to try to form a government, and the centre-left
:53:23. > :53:24.party will ask the Portuguese Communist and another left-wing
:53:25. > :53:28.party to give them an overall majority. That will happen within
:53:29. > :53:40.two week, where are the tanks in this? There doesn't have to be tanks
:53:41. > :53:46.for the doctrine. You are from forking to Czechoslovakia. We are
:53:47. > :53:50.talking about and overall trend. It happened in Italy and Greece. I am
:53:51. > :53:55.trying to stick with Portugal for the moment. Also what you are going
:53:56. > :54:02.to get is the Portuguese President having done this, will then resign,
:54:03. > :54:07.his final act will be to put in power a centre-left Government that
:54:08. > :54:11.is, two of whose parties are opposed to European austerity. I am trying
:54:12. > :54:15.to work out. I know on twister there has been a massive storm about this,
:54:16. > :54:20.probably encouraged by Mr Farage and yourself, and I accept the
:54:21. > :54:24.President's speech was ill-judged. But in the end, the Portuguese are
:54:25. > :54:28.going to get the kind of Government that the centre-left party wants.
:54:29. > :54:32.51% of people voted for the left, shall we say. The centre-left and
:54:33. > :54:35.far left. I hope in the end they get their Government, but equally I will
:54:36. > :54:41.continue to say, there is a trend here of, of a lack of democracy in
:54:42. > :54:46.Europe, whether it is making... I wanted to speak because they have
:54:47. > :54:51.been making the running. We have a tank watch going in Lisbon. If they
:54:52. > :54:54.appear... It happened before in Portugal. It isn't the only country
:54:55. > :54:56.to have On Sunday, the people of Poland
:54:57. > :55:00.voted in their general election and voted in the right-of-centre Law
:55:01. > :55:03.and Justice party, European allies For the latest
:55:04. > :55:06.in our Meet the Neighbours series, Adam Fleming has been to Gdansk,
:55:07. > :55:19.on Poland's north coast. The Poles have just gone to
:55:20. > :55:23.the polls, so I've come to the place where an electrician first
:55:24. > :55:28.sparked democracy in this country. This is the famous shipyard
:55:29. > :55:31.Gate Number Two where, 35 years ago, Lech Walesa came out and announced
:55:32. > :55:33.that the Polish authorities were The first independent trade union
:55:34. > :55:41.in the Soviet bloc. It eventually led to
:55:42. > :55:44.the first free elections in 1989. A corner
:55:45. > :55:46.of the shipyard is now a giant museum dedicated to solidarity,
:55:47. > :55:52.the movement and the idea. You can see the van Lech Walesa
:55:53. > :55:55.climbed on to make speeches, and check out plenty
:55:56. > :55:58.of retro interior design. Or why not recreate
:55:59. > :56:00.the talks to form But the centre's boss is worried
:56:01. > :56:09.that solidarity is something that We are becoming Euro critical,
:56:10. > :56:14.but we are not Great Britain. We don't have your wealth,
:56:15. > :56:16.your strong political position, and we are located
:56:17. > :56:22.in a very special place in Europe. He's worried
:56:23. > :56:24.because the Eurosceptics Law and Justice have just become the first
:56:25. > :56:27.party to form a majority government Beata Szydlo is the new
:56:28. > :56:32.Prime Minister, though real power lies with Jaroslaw
:56:33. > :56:36.Kaczynski, who ran the country with his twin brother when the party was
:56:37. > :56:41.last in power a decade ago. Their candidates were anti the euro,
:56:42. > :56:44.suspicious of immigrants, Law and Justice have quite big
:56:45. > :56:49.election posters, don't they? To find out the secret
:56:50. > :56:52.of their success, I met Filip, Teach me how to say the name
:56:53. > :56:59.in Polish. I think I'll just stick with Law
:57:00. > :57:08.and Justice. We joined the European Union,
:57:09. > :57:10.we've had many possibilities. We've had many people who have
:57:11. > :57:15.wanted to create the ideas, the innovation system, who have wanted
:57:16. > :57:18.to make their companies there. And because
:57:19. > :57:19.of the economical situation, the taxation policy of the Polish
:57:20. > :57:30.government, they decided to leave. And Filip's party is planning
:57:31. > :57:34.to be fairly tough on the EU. We have many,
:57:35. > :57:40.many problems with our economical For example,
:57:41. > :57:48.our ship companies were destroyed by Moreover, I think that Law and
:57:49. > :57:56.Justice will want to make an ally with Great Britain to stop the lead
:57:57. > :58:04.of Germany in the European Union. Although the view here is that David
:58:05. > :58:07.Cameron's plan to restrict benefits for the 700,000 Poles working
:58:08. > :58:10.in the UK is, er, a bit cheeky. Back at the Solidarity Centre,
:58:11. > :58:15.you're supposed to write something But what message is Poland now
:58:16. > :58:34.sending to the rest of Europe? We have had a Marxist Government
:58:35. > :58:40.elected in Greece, we have got, we are going to have I suspect a
:58:41. > :58:44.Portuguese Government of the left, we have a right-wing Government now
:58:45. > :58:48.in Poland, we have a right-wing government, not a centre-right
:58:49. > :58:52.Government in Denmark, we have the Swedish Democrats holding the
:58:53. > :58:54.balance of power in Sweden, I would suggest the mainstream is crumbling
:58:55. > :59:00.in Europe I am not sure it is crumbling but I think the mainstream
:59:01. > :59:05.has challenges. The Polish result is interesting, I have talked to Polish
:59:06. > :59:10.colleagues about the result, there seems to be a generational issue
:59:11. > :59:15.here, in that the older people have had, they are still in the housing
:59:16. > :59:18.they had under Communism and they are reTilly well-off, whereas the
:59:19. > :59:19.young people aren't. I will have to stop you there.