:00:40. > :00:43.After the UK suspends flights to and from Sharm el-Sheikh over
:00:44. > :00:45.security fears, the Government says it's doing all
:00:46. > :00:50.Thousands of British holiday makers are stuck in the Egyptian resort
:00:51. > :00:58.following fresh fears over the cause of the Russian airline disaster.
:00:59. > :01:00.There is a growing British and American belief that the airliner
:01:01. > :01:02.was blown up mid air. The Government says there is
:01:03. > :01:05.a significant possibility that the crash was caused
:01:06. > :01:07.by an explosive device. As President Sisi
:01:08. > :01:16.of Egypt arrives in the UK for an important visit, the crisis in
:01:17. > :01:19.Sharm el Sheikh is a major diplomatic
:01:20. > :01:20.headache for the Government. Tax credits -
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:01:25. > :01:27.cuts to tax credits altogether. And do you know your Das Capital
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:01:50. > :01:51.Politics mug. All that in the next hour -
:01:52. > :01:54.and with us for the whole of the programme today, the Shadow
:01:55. > :01:57.Secretary of State for International The biggest title I've ever had to
:01:58. > :02:01.introduce you with! Five days on from the Russian
:02:02. > :02:04.airline disaster over Egypt, which killed all 224 people on board,
:02:05. > :02:07.Britain has suspended flights to and from the resort of Sharm el-Sheikh,
:02:08. > :02:18.from where the plane had departed. It was en route to St Petersberg and
:02:19. > :02:21.was a charter holiday flight for holiday-makers.
:02:22. > :02:23.The Government increasingly seems to think it was a terrorist attack.
:02:24. > :02:26.David Cameron has today chaired another meeting of the Government's
:02:27. > :02:28.emergency committee, Cobra, and we're joined now from Whitehall
:02:29. > :02:33.Norman, I know there's a lot of demonstrations going on, with
:02:34. > :02:37.Egyptians and so on. I hope they are leaving you alone. Although the
:02:38. > :02:43.government clearly doesn't yet know for sure, it seems that the British
:02:44. > :02:49.and the Americans are moving towards the conclusion that it was a bomb.
:02:50. > :02:54.Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that certainly the British government
:02:55. > :02:58.believes this was an ISO attack. When the Foreign Secretary, Philip
:02:59. > :03:06.Hammond, was asked directly, was this an Isis bomb, he said, "that
:03:07. > :03:08.supposition is a possibility". Strip away the diplomatic niceties and
:03:09. > :03:14.that basically means yes, we think so. There are lots of different
:03:15. > :03:17.affiliated groups to Isis but that clearly is the thinking in British
:03:18. > :03:22.government circles and the suggestion seems to be that this is
:03:23. > :03:29.a result of intelligence which came to Britain independently of the
:03:30. > :03:32.Russian investigation into the crash site. It is not all clear how much
:03:33. > :03:37.information has actually been forthcoming from the Russians accept
:03:38. > :03:39.that one side, the British government yesterday became
:03:40. > :03:45.absolutely clear that they to move and move very quickly. Let me tell
:03:46. > :03:51.you this. The emergency Cobra meeting has actually just finished.
:03:52. > :03:54.The Prime Minister has said a few words. He is flagging up that
:03:55. > :04:00.getting the British holiday-makers home could take "sometime". That
:04:01. > :04:04.would fit in with everything else that we've been hearing this
:04:05. > :04:08.morning. Philip Hammond saying, "we will do everything we can to make
:04:09. > :04:11.sure Sharm el-Sheikh airport is safe, but that is regardless of the
:04:12. > :04:16.inconvenience, regardless of the delays, regardless of the time
:04:17. > :04:20.endeavoured it takes". I take that to mean that people should not
:04:21. > :04:23.expect that just because flights are likely to begin again tomorrow that
:04:24. > :04:27.they are going to be able to hop on a plane tomorrow. It seems that it
:04:28. > :04:32.could take quite a bit of time to get people home. There have also
:04:33. > :04:35.been suggestions that Hercules RAF planes could be on stand-by to take
:04:36. > :04:39.people home. That isn't going to be much of an answer because they only
:04:40. > :04:42.carry around 100 people. The last factor which is adding to the
:04:43. > :04:47.likelihood of the delay is the suggestion that other countries may
:04:48. > :04:50.be poised to follow the British examples. The Dutch have already
:04:51. > :04:56.followed our example. Philip Hammond this morning said he expected more
:04:57. > :04:59.to do the same. When you put that together, the situation at Sharm
:05:00. > :05:03.el-Sheikh airport seems to me to be one that will be very slow,
:05:04. > :05:06.protracted and difficult and if you are a holiday-maker there, I think
:05:07. > :05:11.you will have to brace yourself for some considerable delays. That's
:05:12. > :05:15.interesting. Tell me this, coming back to the diplomacy. Never mind
:05:16. > :05:19.the Russians, the Egyptians have their own reasons for not wanting
:05:20. > :05:21.this to be a terrorist attack. They are highly dependent on tourism,
:05:22. > :05:27.particularly in places like Sharm el-Sheikh. We suspended the
:05:28. > :05:32.flights, in line but it is a bomb, but how will this affect the visit
:05:33. > :05:36.of the Egyptian president and influence what Mr Cameron hopes to
:05:37. > :05:41.get out of this meeting? -- in plying it is a bomb. There is no
:05:42. > :05:45.doubt that from my colleagues who were spoken to senior figures from
:05:46. > :05:47.the Egyptian government, they are steaming furious at the fact the
:05:48. > :05:51.British government appears to have pretty much acted and then told the
:05:52. > :05:55.Egyptian government what we were doing but the view in Downing Street
:05:56. > :05:59.was that the pressure was such, planes were about to take off,
:06:00. > :06:02.decisions had to be made. They couldn't staff around with all the
:06:03. > :06:06.diplomatic niceties for top they had to act then. But if you're an
:06:07. > :06:11.Egyptian, you are thinking, what is going on? This is our airport, this
:06:12. > :06:15.is a potential body blow to our economy, you don't have the courtesy
:06:16. > :06:18.to tell us what is going on. Inevitably, relations are going to
:06:19. > :06:21.be bruised, particularly when part of this visit wasn't just about
:06:22. > :06:26.security and the emerging threat from Isis in North Africa but was
:06:27. > :06:30.also about trying to build better economic links. If tourism goes down
:06:31. > :06:34.the Suwanee in Egypt as a result of this, that is going to be a fairly
:06:35. > :06:38.significant body blow to economic relations. Thank you very much for
:06:39. > :06:42.that. Good of you to update us and mark our card. The British and the
:06:43. > :06:47.Americans set the standards on global international flights and I
:06:48. > :06:53.think it is clear other countries will follow. The Irish and the Dutch
:06:54. > :06:54.have done, as Norman said. Norman was talking about the impact on to
:06:55. > :06:59.wrist and travel companies. And to get a sense of what this all
:07:00. > :07:02.means for British tourists and travel companies, we're joined now
:07:03. > :07:09.by Sean Tipton of the Association The Foreign Secretary has said that
:07:10. > :07:14.flights won't be resumed until the situation is safe. That could be
:07:15. > :07:19.days. Normal business may not resume tomorrow at all. It may be the
:07:20. > :07:22.weekend. It may well be. We're in the hands of the governments and the
:07:23. > :07:27.security experts who flown out from the UK to make sure that people can
:07:28. > :07:30.fly safely. I certainly heard Philip Hammond, the Foreign Secretary,
:07:31. > :07:34.saying this morning that he was quite optimistic that flights could
:07:35. > :07:37.resume tomorrow so that's a good sign. I want to stress that the
:07:38. > :07:41.advice from the foreign office is that they are advising against all
:07:42. > :07:44.but essential travel to and from Sharm el-Sheikh airport. That is
:07:45. > :07:47.important because that is how you are going to get home but they are
:07:48. > :07:51.not saying that about the resort itself. We have around 9000
:07:52. > :07:55.customers on package holidays, many of whom haven't been there terribly
:07:56. > :08:00.long and if they were due to be there for two weeks, they will be
:08:01. > :08:03.continuing with their holidays. We are not being asked to get people
:08:04. > :08:06.out of the resort as quickly as possible. They will come back in
:08:07. > :08:09.normal way. So I say for the vast majority of passengers who are there
:08:10. > :08:14.now, they will continue with their holidays and come back on their
:08:15. > :08:18.originally scheduled flights. The issue will be for people who were
:08:19. > :08:20.due to travel yesterday or until the government is happy that the
:08:21. > :08:27.security situation has improved at Sharm el-Sheikh airport. If they are
:08:28. > :08:30.on packages, they will almost certainly an all-inclusive package
:08:31. > :08:34.and our members will simply let them stay in hotels and if there are any
:08:35. > :08:38.extra bills, them to us. A lot of people may have travelled
:08:39. > :08:42.independently and flown out with various airlines who have made their
:08:43. > :08:47.own arrangements for accommodation. They are in a slightly different
:08:48. > :08:51.situation. The airlines will accept bills for reasonable expenses but
:08:52. > :08:54.they may have to pay that themselves and then take it up with the airline
:08:55. > :09:05.when they get back to the UK. We have to end it there. Diane, we have
:09:06. > :09:09.stopped all flights because we think there is a significant possibility
:09:10. > :09:13.that ISDN and the plane. I haven't seen the information that government
:09:14. > :09:16.ministers have seen but you have to accept that they have to
:09:17. > :09:18.ministers have seen but you have to lives of British holiday-makers
:09:19. > :09:20.first. Clearly it is disastrous for the Egyptian economy but in the
:09:21. > :09:25.end, that is not their responsibility. The British
:09:26. > :09:28.government have gone out on a limb. There has been some surprise from
:09:29. > :09:30.aviation experts who have expressed intrigue stop
:09:31. > :09:33.aviation experts who have expressed word to say
:09:34. > :09:36.aviation experts who have expressed decision to take the action that the
:09:37. > :09:40.Egyptians are obvious the very upset about?
:09:41. > :09:42.Egyptians are obvious the very upset Hammond announcer? My understanding
:09:43. > :09:45.is that they Hammond announcer? My understanding
:09:46. > :09:48.of the United States. In such a situation, you have to be prepared
:09:49. > :09:51.to accept situation, you have to be prepared
:09:52. > :09:53.information you haven't seen and it is people's lives. The Americans
:09:54. > :10:01.will have satellite surveillance is people's lives. The Americans
:10:02. > :10:06.can't second-guess ministers who have seen security intelligence.
:10:07. > :10:10.As Norman mentioned, the Prime Minister convened a meeting of
:10:11. > :10:14.Cobra, the emergency Cabinet committee, this morning, to discuss
:10:15. > :10:17.the situation in Egypt post of the Russian disaster and
:10:18. > :10:20.the situation in Egypt post of the Minister had a few words to say as
:10:21. > :10:25.he left the Cobra meeting. Let's hear what it was. First of all, I
:10:26. > :10:28.have every sympathy for the Egyptians because, of course,
:10:29. > :10:34.tourism is vitally important to the economy. I want to restore our links
:10:35. > :10:39.and our flights with Egypt as soon is is safe and is possible but I
:10:40. > :10:45.have to put the safety of British people first. If that Russian
:10:46. > :10:49.airliner was brought down by a terrorist bomb, that does have very
:10:50. > :10:53.real implications and it means it is absolutely essential that we see
:10:54. > :10:55.that improvement of security at Sharm el-Sheikh airport, and that's
:10:56. > :10:59.what I'll be discussing with the Egyptians today and we'll be working
:11:00. > :11:04.round-the-clock with our experts to help put that in place. The Prime
:11:05. > :11:05.Minister speaking in the Cabinet room after the emergency meeting of
:11:06. > :11:07.Cobra. As we've been hearing,
:11:08. > :11:10.the events of the last few hours have overshadowed Egyptian President
:11:11. > :11:12.Sisi's visit to the UK. David Cameron will meet Mr Sisi this
:11:13. > :11:15.afternoon, although the President's human rights record has made many
:11:16. > :11:17.uneasy about the visit. President Sisi arrived in the UK
:11:18. > :11:23.last night David Cameron argues it's
:11:24. > :11:27.in Britain's interest to have a stable Egypt to help halt the
:11:28. > :11:32.spread of extremism in the region. The Egyptian leader led
:11:33. > :11:34.the army's overthrow of the democratically elected
:11:35. > :11:37.Muslim Brotherhood's Mohammed Morsi Since then, more than 1,000 people
:11:38. > :11:46.have been killed and 40,000 are believed to have been
:11:47. > :11:50.jailed in a crackdown on dissent. President Sisi has told
:11:51. > :11:53.the BBC that there is "a roadmap for real democracy in Egypt" and argues
:11:54. > :11:58.that the threat from militants means The problem is particularly acute in
:11:59. > :12:04.Egypt's Sinai region, which is also home to the heavily guarded and
:12:05. > :12:09.lucrative resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, where the plane crashed and where
:12:10. > :12:14.the UK has suspended flights. David Cameron may be willing to help
:12:15. > :12:17.President Sisi, with reports this morning that he will announce new
:12:18. > :12:21.curbs on Muslim Brotherhood activity in the UK - although how tough they
:12:22. > :12:26.will be remains to be seen. Jeremy Corbyn said yesterday that
:12:27. > :12:29.the Prime Minister's invitation to the Egyptian President showed
:12:30. > :12:32."contempt for human and democratic rights and threatens,
:12:33. > :12:35.rather than protects, Speaking in the Commons a short
:12:36. > :12:43.while ago, the Foreign Office Minister Tobias Ellwood said David
:12:44. > :12:46.Cameron would be bringing up human It is no secret that we want to see
:12:47. > :12:52.more political progress in Egypt, better protection of Egyptians'
:12:53. > :12:56.constitutional rights, freedom of expression, more space
:12:57. > :13:02.for NGOs and civil society. These rights
:13:03. > :13:04.and freedoms are essential But megaphone diplomacy is not
:13:05. > :13:12.the way to succeed in putting Instead, we need to treat each other
:13:13. > :13:19.as real partners and have frank The visit provides an opportunity
:13:20. > :13:26.for the Prime Minister to emphasise his desire to see more
:13:27. > :13:37.political progress in Egypt. Joining me now is the
:13:38. > :13:39.Conservative MP and former defence minister Gerald
:13:40. > :13:42.Howarth - he now chairs the All And Tim Marshall, who is the former
:13:43. > :13:57.Foreign Affairs editor of Sky News. Welcome to you both. Let me start
:13:58. > :14:03.with some basics. Tim, how bad is the human rights situation in Egypt?
:14:04. > :14:08.As bad as it has ever been under all the previous leaders, including
:14:09. > :14:12.President Morsi who was overthrown. There is a continuum. Under the
:14:13. > :14:17.current president, the judiciary has been co-opted. There is massive
:14:18. > :14:23.pressure on journalists to toe the party line, and torture remains
:14:24. > :14:28.routine. It is no better or worse than it was before the Miss named
:14:29. > :14:36.Arab Spring. So it is like the days under Mubarak? A slight difference
:14:37. > :14:38.is that although they had the quasi-democracy under Mubarak where
:14:39. > :14:42.they pretended to count the votes, they really did have a vote for this
:14:43. > :14:49.guy and 96% voted for this president. Do we believe that? More
:14:50. > :14:53.or less. You can massage it a bit but the clear majority, even if it
:14:54. > :14:58.wasn't 96%, voted for him because after the turmoil of 2012-14, they
:14:59. > :15:01.wanted the strongman back and they voted for the strongman and they've
:15:02. > :15:07.got the strong man and he's, you could say, being strong. It is as it
:15:08. > :15:13.was. I take it that the government has been further encouraged, or
:15:14. > :15:17.facilitated, in its clamp-down by this developing terrorist situation
:15:18. > :15:22.in the northern Sinai. Could you explain how these... First of all,
:15:23. > :15:23.how bad it is in the Sinai and how it is linked to the domestic
:15:24. > :15:33.situation? When the Muslim Brotherhood was
:15:34. > :15:36.overthrown with popular support, it was suppressed and put completely
:15:37. > :15:41.underground. Therefore large sections of it have turned to
:15:42. > :15:44.terror. There's a ready made terrorist organisation already
:15:45. > :15:50.there. They've born affinity with Islamic State. They are called Sinai
:15:51. > :15:55.Province. The worst of it is in north Sinai. There's at least 1,500
:15:56. > :16:01.fighters who've signed allegiance to IS. Takes you to potential attack on
:16:02. > :16:06.Russia and on tourism. You collapse tourism and you really, really
:16:07. > :16:10.damage Egypt into that vacuum you try and step. It has spread from
:16:11. > :16:17.northern Sinai into some of the major cities. But very sporadically.
:16:18. > :16:21.Most is in northern Sinai. There you've had a Croatian hostage
:16:22. > :16:27.beheaded. Numerous attacks on army checkpoints and one very serious
:16:28. > :16:30.attack this year where 13 different positions were attacked
:16:31. > :16:34.simultaneously. That takes training. It is a proper insurgery in northern
:16:35. > :16:40.Sinai. Thank you. We have to deal with lots of Governments. That's
:16:41. > :16:45.what being in Government means. From what we hear from Tim and the
:16:46. > :16:51.crackdown taken in Egypt, shouldn't we be supping with a long spoon?
:16:52. > :16:55.We've the the President of the people's republic of China here. We
:16:56. > :17:00.know what their record on human rights and cyber attack on this
:17:01. > :17:03.country and around the world. It is entirely right that the British
:17:04. > :17:07.Government's invited President Sisi to come here. Egypt is a very
:17:08. > :17:12.important component in regional stability. Egypt has made a big
:17:13. > :17:15.contribution into trying to resolve the Arab/Israeli problem. A
:17:16. > :17:18.continuing problem. They face a real threat as Tim outlined. We face the
:17:19. > :17:23.same threat. They are trying to deal with it. I think the UK is extremely
:17:24. > :17:28.well placed to #234e7 in counter-terrorism. We should be
:17:29. > :17:32.helping President Sisi? Absolutely. Really? It is clear, of course, the
:17:33. > :17:36.human rights issue is important. The Prime Minister must deal with it.
:17:37. > :17:39.Would we have liked people telling us how to deal with Northern Ireland
:17:40. > :17:46.when we had interment without trial and issues like that? We faced...
:17:47. > :17:50.Beam did tell us. Not many from outside except perhaps the United
:17:51. > :17:57.States and those in Chicago, I think, had a voice. I want to be
:17:58. > :18:02.clear, I want to bring Diane in, it is not just enough to sup with a
:18:03. > :18:08.long spoon. You think we should be an ally of President Sisi? We
:18:09. > :18:13.should. If Egypt goes down, this is the most populist country. They have
:18:14. > :18:17.a population of 90 million. The next is Saudia Arabia with a third of
:18:18. > :18:22.that. They have a millennia of experience and, as a cultural centre
:18:23. > :18:29.in the middle East, they're very influential. Diane Abbott, we don't
:18:30. > :18:34.need to like this Government. We often don't get to choose what
:18:35. > :18:38.Governments we like and don't like. Egypt, it's probably the most
:18:39. > :18:44.important Arab country in the middle east, the one the rest of the Middle
:18:45. > :18:50.East looks to for culture. We have to deal with it? Yes, biyou think it
:18:51. > :18:55.was wrong to issue this invitation. It has been issued, he's coming now.
:18:56. > :18:57.As well as discussing what's happening in Sharm el-Sheikh and the
:18:58. > :19:03.important political considerations we have to have a dialogue about
:19:04. > :19:08.human rights? We should be speaking to him? We should not have issued
:19:09. > :19:13.the inas a result ace but if we are to solve some of the problems in the
:19:14. > :19:24.region we have to talk to people we may not want to. Including President
:19:25. > :19:27.Sisi? Mr Corbyn, your leader, argued that President Sisi's presence in
:19:28. > :19:32.the UK threatened our national security. Why? The leader of the
:19:33. > :19:37.Labour Party was post-innovatation and so was I. Why does it threaten
:19:38. > :19:44.our national security? I think this is a tightrope. It could be that be
:19:45. > :19:50.being seen to support a sleeteder with such a horrible record on human
:19:51. > :19:55.rights, we create instability. It's a judgment. That's right but that
:19:56. > :20:01.would be a case for not talking to him at all. Not a matter of timing.
:20:02. > :20:05.If he's a threat to our national security we shouldn't be talking to
:20:06. > :20:13.him at all by Mr Corbyn's lights. Not just the timing's unfortunate.
:20:14. > :20:17.The argument about these official invitations whether China or
:20:18. > :20:20.President Sisi, offering that level of acknowledge 789, it is almost
:20:21. > :20:25.like you're rubber-stamping their human rights atrocities. But we're
:20:26. > :20:31.talking about human rights. If he wasn't here we probably wouldn't be.
:20:32. > :20:35.Explain the logic Mr Corbyn doesn't want to talk to President Sisi
:20:36. > :20:42.because of his human rights record but has been happy to call
:20:43. > :20:47.Hezbollah, Hamas the IRA friends. Look at their human rights record. I
:20:48. > :20:51.don't think anyone is literally saying we shouldn't talk to
:20:52. > :20:56.President Sisi. Your leader said he's a threat to national security.
:20:57. > :21:03.Do we award him the honour of this visit. We will all, including
:21:04. > :21:09.Gerald, have to talk to people we don't particularly like. The they
:21:10. > :21:14.have regular hangings of homosexuals. Been throwing people
:21:15. > :21:18.off buildings. Should we not talk to them? None of the problems in
:21:19. > :21:21.off buildings. Should we not talk to region will be solved without
:21:22. > :21:26.off buildings. Should we not talk to talking to some major regional
:21:27. > :21:34.players. Doesn't that include Egypt? Like Egypt, like Iran. In particular
:21:35. > :21:37.in relation to human rights we have to talk to people. Diane made the
:21:38. > :21:40.cases why we should to talk to people. Diane made the
:21:41. > :21:44.sorry your to talk to people. Diane made the
:21:45. > :21:50.beige as you Diane. Our about this invitation. Not that at
:21:51. > :21:52.no point or place... It is only about timing? It's about this
:21:53. > :21:55.invitation. about timing? It's about this
:21:56. > :22:01.out to be for the ewe about timing? It's about this
:22:02. > :22:07.of what happened with this plane crash in Sharm el-Sheikh? There's a
:22:08. > :22:08.serious cape abimity in the Sinai desert with terrorists linked to the
:22:09. > :22:12.people we're fighting with our desert with terrorists linked to the
:22:13. > :22:16.bombing raids in Iraq and are active in Syria? It seems to
:22:17. > :22:20.bombing raids in Iraq and are active putting the human rights record
:22:21. > :22:25.aside, I understand that, now's not a bad time to take to the Egyptian
:22:26. > :22:30.president. We're going to have to communicate with him. At every
:22:31. > :22:35.level. There are two extra elements I'd like to put in. After the
:22:36. > :22:40.misnamed Arab Spring we've seen what happens when we get dragged in and
:22:41. > :22:42.misnamed Arab Spring we've seen what don't deal with people. We got
:22:43. > :22:46.kicked out of Afghanistan, Iraq similar. The current Government
:22:47. > :22:48.kicked out of Afghanistan, Iraq us involved in Libya. Said
:22:49. > :22:53.kicked out of Afghanistan, Iraq stand shoulder to shoulder with the
:22:54. > :22:58.Libyan people and walked away. This is the guy who lives next to Libya.
:22:59. > :23:02.Do we really not want to talk to him about the Libyan situation and other
:23:03. > :23:08.things? Can you imagine if Egypt went the same way as these other
:23:09. > :23:13.countries? There are Coptic Christians there, about 1 million of
:23:14. > :23:16.them. If Egypt, God forbid, went down that road, those 12 million
:23:17. > :23:20.Christians would be in a serious amount of trouble. Run the risk of
:23:21. > :23:24.being massacred. Do you want to engage with this guy and find out
:23:25. > :23:30.what the hell is going on inside Egypt or just say, I'm not talking
:23:31. > :23:36.to you. Why, I know you need to get away... We have a statement from the
:23:37. > :23:42.secretary for transport. Is it seemly for Mr David Cameron to
:23:43. > :23:45.announce a crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood while the President's
:23:46. > :23:50.here? Is that really the right thing to do. Isn't that playing to the
:23:51. > :23:55.gallery? There's been a review done of the Muslim Brotherhood in the UK.
:23:56. > :23:59.That review is about to be produced. I'm sure his visit is a good
:24:00. > :24:04.opportunity to do that. He took over from President Morsi. The idea
:24:05. > :24:10.President Morsi was is saint, he was not. He suspended the constitution.
:24:11. > :24:15.I don't think anyone said he was a saint. Tim set out the history of
:24:16. > :24:20.Egypt. Not a happy history. Here's an opportunity for the UK, which
:24:21. > :24:25.knows the region, everybody tells me when I go as a minister to visit the
:24:26. > :24:28.region, they say, we don't expect the Americans to understand. We
:24:29. > :24:32.expect you to. You've been here for 200 years. Let's seize the
:24:33. > :24:38.opportunity for Britain to influence Egypt for the good and help the
:24:39. > :24:44.region to boot. We Jo understood it so well that not one of our highly
:24:45. > :24:48.paid ambassadors predicted the Arab Spring. Thank you. Thank you.
:24:49. > :24:50.Well, with concerns that terrorist activity may have been involved
:24:51. > :24:53.in the downing of the Russian jet in Sinai, it was timely for MPs
:24:54. > :24:56.yesterday to discuss plans to give the security services greater powers
:24:57. > :24:59.to intercept the communications of internet users in the UK.
:25:00. > :25:02.The Home Secretary said the new Investigatory Powers Bill
:25:03. > :25:05.would allow officers to see a list of websites visited without needing
:25:06. > :25:09.a warrant, but that safeguards were in place to ensure the content
:25:10. > :25:11.of a person's browsing history was not immediately accessible.
:25:12. > :25:23.Here's a a quick recap of the debate.
:25:24. > :25:39.Mr Speaker, the legislation we are proposing today is unprecedented.
:25:40. > :25:41.It will provide unparalleled openness and transparency
:25:42. > :25:46.It will provide the strongest safeguards and world-leading
:25:47. > :25:48.oversight arrangements, and it will give the men and women of our
:25:49. > :25:51.security and intelligence agencies and our law enforcement agencies,
:25:52. > :25:54.who do so much to keep us safe and secure, the powers they need to
:25:55. > :25:58.This will place a double lock on the authorisation of our most
:25:59. > :26:02.Democratic accountability through the Secretary
:26:03. > :26:05.of State to ensure our intelligence agencies operate in the interests
:26:06. > :26:07.of the citizens of this country, and the public reassurance of
:26:08. > :26:12.The issues which this proposed legislation seeks to tackle go
:26:13. > :26:16.Any government will face a difficult task in balancing the
:26:17. > :26:19.security of the nation with privacy and liberties of individual citizens
:26:20. > :26:22.and as somebody who was in the Home Office on 7/7, I know that challenge
:26:23. > :26:31.We will examine carefully the detail of the draft bill
:26:32. > :26:34.and seek to improve the safeguards to build trust but having listened
:26:35. > :26:37.carefully to what the Home Secretary had to say today, I believe she has
:26:38. > :26:40.responded to legitimate concerns and broadly got that difficult
:26:41. > :26:45.Her last bill on this fraught but important subject hit
:26:46. > :26:49.the buffers but this bill is a much improved model,
:26:50. > :26:52.though I have the feeling that under the bonnet it still retains some
:26:53. > :27:02.even if I'm one of the few who do remain concerned, about the
:27:03. > :27:06.excessive powers which will be given to the security authorities in
:27:07. > :27:22.Diane abpot, do you agree with Andy Burnham Theresa May got it right
:27:23. > :27:27.this time? It is a much better bill. The main thing which makes it better
:27:28. > :27:30.is the involvement of judges. We'll subject it to scrutiny in committee.
:27:31. > :27:36.We'll see what comes out of that process. What are you still unhappy
:27:37. > :27:41.with? We're unhappy about whether these very sweeping powers are
:27:42. > :27:46.really necessary. I have to admit to the fact I have a slight element of
:27:47. > :27:52.bias. I was the subject of undercover policing in another life.
:27:53. > :27:56.The Labour Party as a whole takes these issues very seriously. Right,
:27:57. > :28:01.scrutiny but not voting against. You'll join the Shadow Cabinet to
:28:02. > :28:05.vote with Andy Burnham in favour? Scrutiny, if we feel it needs
:28:06. > :28:11.amending, we will amend it. We'll look at it line by line. You say
:28:12. > :28:16.there are sweeping powers. Theresa May says there are safeguards in
:28:17. > :28:21.place. Judges having authorisation in some cases. She says people can't
:28:22. > :28:26.access everyone's browsing history, just basic data. A modern equivalent
:28:27. > :28:32.of an itemised phone bill. Are you convinced by that? I am prepared. If
:28:33. > :28:36.officers want to mount more intrusive spying operations,
:28:37. > :28:39.including accessing the content of emails, they'll still need a warrant
:28:40. > :28:44.from the Home Secretary or another senior minister. Is that enough for
:28:45. > :28:51.you? That is important. But, in the past, it seems that scrutiny
:28:52. > :28:57.undercover activity went on without a proper warrant. Jeremy Corbyn has
:28:58. > :29:03.historically opposed any increases in powers. Said the existing powers
:29:04. > :29:07.were enough. What will he do now? We have a collective position as a
:29:08. > :29:13.party on this bill. Andy Burnham set it out. The key thing will be how we
:29:14. > :29:18.are able to amend the bill and what comes up under scrutiny. You've
:29:19. > :29:21.previously said, regarding the data retention and investigatory powers
:29:22. > :29:27.act, spooks convinced gullible leaders of all three parties to push
:29:28. > :29:33.through I will liberal legislation. Do you think think that's happening
:29:34. > :29:37.here still? Spooks did but the important thing about this ledge Is
:29:38. > :29:41.slayings is the judicial checks and balances which is what makes it
:29:42. > :29:46.different from the Liberal Democrat isolation we were presented before.
:29:47. > :29:53.Some of your MPs aren't convinced the privacy concerns have been taken
:29:54. > :29:58.on board enough. David Winnick is sceptical. A lot of us are but we
:29:59. > :30:05.are happy to be convinced as the bill goes through its stages.
:30:06. > :30:12.A big report has come out this morning. Inflation, which is 0% by
:30:13. > :30:16.the CPI measure this year, will stay below 1% until at least the second
:30:17. > :30:20.half of next year. It has extended the period of low inflation. It has
:30:21. > :30:26.cut growth for this year but only very marginally. It is also said,
:30:27. > :30:30.and this is a big development, that it is going to keep the quantitative
:30:31. > :30:36.easing, the electronic printing of money that I grow 375 billion - it
:30:37. > :30:42.will stay out there until inflation hits the bank's target of 2%. But as
:30:43. > :30:46.a major change our at least a loosening of our policy.
:30:47. > :30:47.The Government has promised to look again
:30:48. > :30:50.at its proposed cuts to tax credits after the proposal was defeated
:30:51. > :30:55.Here's what George Osborne had to say to the House of Commons
:30:56. > :30:59.I said I would listen and that's precisely what I intend to do.
:31:00. > :31:02.I believe we can achieve the same goal of reforming tax credits,
:31:03. > :31:05.saving the money we need to save to secure our economy, while at the
:31:06. > :31:10.That is what I intend to do at the Autumn Statement.
:31:11. > :31:14.I'm determined to deliver that lower welfare, higher wage economy that we
:31:15. > :31:19.were elected to deliver and the British people want to see.
:31:20. > :31:30.And we can welcome viewers in Scotland, who have been watching
:31:31. > :31:32.first ministers questions. Although he's been forced
:31:33. > :31:35.in to a U-turn of sorts, Mr Osborne says he is determined to push
:31:36. > :31:38.through with reform to tax credits. However, the Resolution Foundation,
:31:39. > :31:40.which deals with policy issues that affect those on low incomes,
:31:41. > :31:42.says the Chancellor should scrap his planned cuts to tax credits
:31:43. > :31:45.altogether and says Torsten Bell is the Director
:31:46. > :31:48.of the Resolution Foundation, and we're also joined by the
:31:49. > :31:59.Chief Executive of the Welcome to both of you. We've heard
:32:00. > :32:04.about weeks being made. Things are going to be done to mitigate cuts to
:32:05. > :32:07.tax credits. So how can you say that he should drop the idea altogether
:32:08. > :32:11.when we don't quite know what he is proposing? Your was the right, we
:32:12. > :32:14.don't know what he's proposing but the state of the debate we're now at
:32:15. > :32:17.is that we are at the stage where something must be done and we are
:32:18. > :32:22.looking at what the options are that Osborne has Ed Veal statement which
:32:23. > :32:28.is now only 20 days away. Our view is that fudge options, where they
:32:29. > :32:31.are tweaked a little, would deliver economically or politically for the
:32:32. > :32:34.Chancellor. He should look to reverse some of the changes and he
:32:35. > :32:38.can do that while maintaining his fiscal objectives. So you are saying
:32:39. > :32:42.there isn't money that can be spent that will make a dramatic enough
:32:43. > :32:47.change to tax credit cuts, or make the savings he once? Clearly there
:32:48. > :32:50.are things the Chancellor could do and we should welcome his raising of
:32:51. > :32:53.the new national minimum wage, which will benefit some people who boos
:32:54. > :32:58.from the tax credit changes but further increases to the minimum
:32:59. > :33:01.wage or tax cuts won't compensate them for losing tax credits. These
:33:02. > :33:06.are fundamentally different people. Five ways you've got of changing the
:33:07. > :33:10.system and offering an alternative. Why didn't the government come up
:33:11. > :33:12.with that? If they are so obvious and seem to be pain-free, why
:33:13. > :33:18.wouldn't the Chancellor have come up with them? Very few decisions in
:33:19. > :33:25.politics are trade free -- pain-free and they involve trade-offs. He will
:33:26. > :33:35.be looking to make trade-offs when -- on the 25th of December. You have
:33:36. > :33:40.an amount of pain borne by a small group of people and that will ease
:33:41. > :33:44.the pressure. Before we go onto exactly what you are proposing, do
:33:45. > :33:48.you accept that cuts to tax credits, morally, were the right thing to do?
:33:49. > :33:51.I certainly wouldn't have started from here and I think there are a
:33:52. > :33:54.lot of things the government should have been looking at before it
:33:55. > :34:01.looked at cutting these tax credits, not least the benefits received by
:34:02. > :34:07.pensioners. Inflation is running at no % this year. We've got pensions
:34:08. > :34:09.going up by 2.5%. That is utterly unsustainable and unaffordable and
:34:10. > :34:12.the government should be looking up that kind of thing. The fact that
:34:13. > :34:16.winter fuel payments are given to every pensioner, even millionaire
:34:17. > :34:21.pensioners, despite the fact that the government has rightly stopped
:34:22. > :34:24.giving child benefit to better off families. It is still giving winter
:34:25. > :34:33.flu payments to the richest pensioners. Ugly unjustifiable. --
:34:34. > :34:36.winter fuel payments. There are other things that should have been
:34:37. > :34:38.cut first but there are also other things the government needs to be
:34:39. > :34:41.looking at that it should be doing things the government needs to be
:34:42. > :34:46.itself to give people a better and more affordable cost of living. When
:34:47. > :34:49.forced and was working for Ed Miliband, Ed Miliband rightly talked
:34:50. > :34:51.about the cost of living crisis in this country. We've got to remember
:34:52. > :34:57.the this country. We've got to remember
:34:58. > :35:03.through taxes. The poorest in this country pay a huge amount for that
:35:04. > :35:07.is -- of their disposable income on VAT and fuel duty. Housing in this
:35:08. > :35:09.country is incredible expensive because planning restrictions
:35:10. > :35:14.resulting not of homes being built, which means rises are more expensive
:35:15. > :35:16.than they should be. There are things that government itself should
:35:17. > :35:23.be doing at the outset to improve the cost of living for everybody.
:35:24. > :35:26.Your suggestions? We are trying to say there are a range of ways the
:35:27. > :35:29.Chancellor can do this because they will all face different trade-offs.
:35:30. > :35:33.Even without raising any additional taxes, the Chancellor could reverse
:35:34. > :35:36.the most punitive parts of the tax credits, the cut to the income
:35:37. > :35:41.threshold, where you start to lose your tax credits when you're earning
:35:42. > :35:45.increases, and still deliver fiscal objectives by the end of this
:35:46. > :35:49.Parliament. Was it ever acceptable to have taxpayers and the government
:35:50. > :35:54.topping up people's income, just as a principle, with that bill now at
:35:55. > :35:57.?30 billion a year? At the time Gordon Brown brought them in, the
:35:58. > :36:03.alternative would have been to put up child benefit quite sharply and
:36:04. > :36:07.have a higher minimum wage, quite a distinctly higher minimum wage, and
:36:08. > :36:14.the judgment at the time was that that wasn't politically acceptable.
:36:15. > :36:21.Torsten is a boffin. Is that a compliment? He was Ed Miliband's
:36:22. > :36:27.boffin but the policy is clear. It is this government taking money off
:36:28. > :36:30.the strivers, exactly the working people whose support they need if
:36:31. > :36:33.they are going to become what George Osborne tried to post a few weeks
:36:34. > :36:39.ago they had become, the party of the workers. His tax credit strategy
:36:40. > :36:43.has blown his "we are the party of the workers" strategy out of the
:36:44. > :36:47.water. That's his political problem. Can I pick up something you said at
:36:48. > :36:50.the start of that question, which is the 30 million tax credit bill
:36:51. > :36:55.doesn't all go to working families. The majority of that goes to out of
:36:56. > :36:59.work families and is wrong to talk about that subsidising employers.
:37:00. > :37:03.There is no country in the world that doesn't provide a form of in
:37:04. > :37:07.work support so the idea of a black-and-white ideological... Once
:37:08. > :37:10.you're in work, the firm should pave everything for large families, that
:37:11. > :37:14.isn't a world that exists and is available to us. You would be
:37:15. > :37:18.talking about minimum wage is much higher than anywhere in the world.
:37:19. > :37:21.The Chancellor in the last parliament said that tax credits
:37:22. > :37:24.were serving three different objectives. Tackling child poverty,
:37:25. > :37:28.improving work incentives for those on low incomes but it is also
:37:29. > :37:34.providing some cash support for those on hiring comes and he did
:37:35. > :37:39.change that. There is an argument that that is a reasonable thing to
:37:40. > :37:45.do stopped -- higher incomes. He is now cutting into the core of the
:37:46. > :37:49.system, which is why we are getting large losses for working people. How
:37:50. > :37:54.much should somebody be working at the point where tax credits stop? I
:37:55. > :37:58.don't think it is for me to pluck a number out of the air but I think
:37:59. > :38:01.the government needs to look at what it is doing itself. It is making the
:38:02. > :38:05.cost of living more expensive for people. Moreover, the whole tax
:38:06. > :38:10.credit system is incredibly compensated to understand. We all
:38:11. > :38:16.remember a few weeks ago the woman on Question Time talking about her
:38:17. > :38:21.potential losses of tax credits. It emerged later she isn't going to
:38:22. > :38:26.lose out. It is the perception. The fact that you have the tax credits
:38:27. > :38:30.system and you have the tax system separated... We have said for some
:38:31. > :38:33.time that there would be an argument for introducing a negative income
:38:34. > :38:37.tax which would be administered and integrated inside the tax system so
:38:38. > :38:44.that you don't have the DWP and HMRC both playing with different pots of
:38:45. > :38:48.money... It is complicated but the truth is that hundreds of thousands
:38:49. > :38:54.of people - David Cameron still won't admit how many - are going to
:38:55. > :38:57.lose money. Real people, real lives. We will see what happens in the
:38:58. > :39:01.spending review and the Autumn Statement. But since Diane mentioned
:39:02. > :39:07.it, because we weren't going to mention it at all, she did say you
:39:08. > :39:12.were Miliband's director of policy. How do you think his successor is
:39:13. > :39:15.getting on? I worked for the Labour Party for five years and I'm really
:39:16. > :39:18.proud to have done that. I now work for a charity working for low and
:39:19. > :39:22.middle income families. That is different and we will be holding
:39:23. > :39:29.parties and policies across the spectrum into account. I'm not going
:39:30. > :39:34.to get into a commentary. The British public are going to do judge
:39:35. > :39:38.their views on Jeremy Corbyn, George Osborne and others. You don't want
:39:39. > :39:43.former advisers being the people casting their judgment on them. Oh,
:39:44. > :39:46.we do. Do you think it is right that Ed Miliband stepped down after the
:39:47. > :39:51.election and left a vacuum stop to you think you should have stuck
:39:52. > :39:54.around? Looking at it as a human being, asking someone to go back
:39:55. > :39:57.into the House of Commons to do Prime Minister's Questions after
:39:58. > :40:06.eight general election defeat is asking a lot. You were apparently
:40:07. > :40:09.the man who came up with the idea of the Ed Stone and we would like to
:40:10. > :40:17.give it away as a Daily Politics prize. Where is it? The honest
:40:18. > :40:19.answer to your question is, I have absolutely no idea, which is
:40:20. > :40:24.probably in my interests and your interests and stop was a your idea?
:40:25. > :40:34.I'd take responsibility for anything good or bad ... Was it your idea?
:40:35. > :40:41.What did you think of it? I can't tell you where the Ed Stone is but I
:40:42. > :40:44.can tell you that we will not be going into stone masonry it any time
:40:45. > :40:50.in the next few years. What gave you the idea? Lots of ideas in the heat
:40:51. > :40:54.of politics come and go. You and I should be thinking that we did a big
:40:55. > :40:57.service to British Telecom by providing that level of fun and
:40:58. > :41:03.amusement for a considerable period of time. We put you through the
:41:04. > :41:08.ringer! Diane, the Parliamentary Labour Party have elected a series
:41:09. > :41:14.of chairs and they are all what we might call moderates in the party -
:41:15. > :41:18.Tristram Hunt, Caroline Flint, Stephen Timms stop it has been
:41:19. > :41:22.described as the Shadow shadow cabinet. What do you say? They are
:41:23. > :41:27.great men and women and those of us in the shadow cabinet look forward
:41:28. > :41:37.to working with them closely. Why is your nose getting longer? I didn't
:41:38. > :41:39.notice that! Very soon. Thank you, gentlemen.
:41:40. > :41:43.The Stop the War Coalition has been accused of not allowing Syrians to
:41:44. > :41:45.speak during a panel discussion about Syria.
:41:46. > :41:54.It was chaired by our very own Diane Abbott.
:41:55. > :42:00.The Stop the War Coalition has been criticised for allowing no Syrians
:42:01. > :42:04.on a panel and for reportedly not allowing Syrian activists to speak
:42:05. > :42:05.from the floor. Let's get a flavour of some of the rather heated
:42:06. > :42:22.exchanges. You're not even letting Syrians
:42:23. > :42:26.speak! You invite people because they are socialists. You don't even
:42:27. > :42:34.let them speak. You have them on your platform and then you lecture
:42:35. > :42:40.us? Let me try... You told me I would speak and you lied. Police?
:42:41. > :42:51.You are getting coppers for us now? That is so radical. You cannot
:42:52. > :42:54.exclude Syrians who are Democrats. Some of you will recognise Peter
:42:55. > :42:56.Tatchell making his point at the end of that little clip.
:42:57. > :42:59.Joining us now is Muzna who is from the Syria Solidarity Movement.
:43:00. > :43:04.She was at that meeting on Monday night.
:43:05. > :43:10.Talking about Syria, what to do about Syria, and why were there no
:43:11. > :43:14.Syrians on the panel? I chaired the meeting first off I didn't determine
:43:15. > :43:19.the panel. But I did call is Syrian speaker but as you can see, it was a
:43:20. > :43:24.tricky meeting to chair. I will come on to that in a second. If it had
:43:25. > :43:28.been up to you, would you have put Syrians on the panel? If it had been
:43:29. > :43:32.up to me, we would have had a wide-ranging panel. Why did you
:43:33. > :43:37.chair it? Because I feel very strongly that people need to hear
:43:38. > :43:41.the case. I have a long-standing commitment on that. But not strongly
:43:42. > :43:50.enough that you have to hear from Syrians? I called a Syrians. But on
:43:51. > :43:57.the panel. That was a matter. The war. You need to talk to them. I
:43:58. > :44:04.can't tell who was Syrian and who wasn't but we had Crispin Blunt who
:44:05. > :44:07.came... He is not Syrian. He came outspoken because he had to leave, I
:44:08. > :44:12.called speakers after he had spoken in the first speaker I called was a
:44:13. > :44:16.Syrian. The Syrians were called from the floor, or were they? I am the
:44:17. > :44:20.first Syrian woman who was called and I was only called because one of
:44:21. > :44:24.the audience pointed at me to be allowed to speak. And then I was
:44:25. > :44:28.interrupted and then other Syrians were not allowed to speak and we
:44:29. > :44:34.were obviously we were. We were at the back, we were shouting, we were
:44:35. > :44:39.waving, doing whatever we can to get noticed. This is about Syria and
:44:40. > :44:44.Syrians' voices should be there. Did Diane give you a fair hearing or
:44:45. > :44:47.not? No and this is traditional for the Stop the War Coalition. They
:44:48. > :44:51.don't want to listen to Syrians. If they listened to Syrians, they would
:44:52. > :44:54.have much better information to make decisions but they have this the
:44:55. > :44:58.re-about nonintervention and they want to apply it without
:44:59. > :45:02.information. If they listened to Syrians and did their homework on
:45:03. > :45:05.what is happening on the ground and what we really want, they would have
:45:06. > :45:12.a different position but they are not even doing that. What Syrians in
:45:13. > :45:17.the UK want is the protection of civilians. This is what we want.
:45:18. > :45:22.This is what we advocate and we are not asking for imperial powers to
:45:23. > :45:27.come and occupy our country. We want a stop to the killing and that's not
:45:28. > :45:29.going to happen by political talks. We had years and years of political
:45:30. > :45:40.talks that are producing nothing. We all want an end to the killing.
:45:41. > :45:44.When the House of Commons produce add report after that meeting, that
:45:45. > :45:47.sets out where we all want to stop the killing, the UK coming and
:45:48. > :45:51.bombing Syria in current circumstances will not save lives.
:45:52. > :46:00.I'm not clear that's what you're asking for, is it? The major
:46:01. > :46:09.problem... Are you, or not? They were debating bombing ISIS, whether
:46:10. > :46:12.we wanted to say of it ISIS. The cancer is the dictatorship. I was
:46:13. > :46:16.looking at reports from this stop of the war meeting. Andrew Murray's
:46:17. > :46:25.quite a big figure in stop of the war. He was a chair or still is? I'm
:46:26. > :46:36.not sure. It was about stopping the -- it was not about stopping the war
:46:37. > :46:40.at all... It's about helping as sad win the war. That's what it was
:46:41. > :46:48.about. I don't recognise that description. That's what Andrew
:46:49. > :46:55.Murray called for. He wanted as sad to defeat ISIS -- Asad. I was on the
:46:56. > :46:55.Murray called for. He wanted as sad frontbench calling not for bombing
:46:56. > :47:05.Syria two years ago. Am I wrong? did a lot of the stop the war
:47:06. > :47:12.people, did they asad to attack eyes skis? They want to make it
:47:13. > :47:19.legitimate again. ISIS is like this big tool throwing sands in the eyes
:47:20. > :47:26.so you don't see the real problem which is Asad. I don't know a single
:47:27. > :47:35.Labour MP that wants legitimise Asad. Siren will never accept Asad
:47:36. > :47:40.if remains in power. The Syrian people want a free country, a
:47:41. > :47:45.democratic country. We deserve that. The problem is that Stop the War
:47:46. > :47:50.Coalition is very active on refugee cause. Very active on Palestine, on
:47:51. > :47:56.Iraq. But when it comes to Syria, they ethically fail. Are we not
:47:57. > :48:05.worthy until we drown on your shores? One doesn't have to agree or
:48:06. > :48:08.disagree but would it not have been a rather useful Stop the War
:48:09. > :48:13.Coalition event to have heard all that at the event you chaired? She
:48:14. > :48:17.hasn't got quite to the point. What's the answer to me question?
:48:18. > :48:21.Would it not have been useful to have heard that? The event was about
:48:22. > :48:25.the arguments against military intervention. You want to argue for
:48:26. > :48:31.military intervention. You're perfectly entitled to do that. The
:48:32. > :48:41.event was to support Asad. No. It was. You are shifting the discourse.
:48:42. > :48:47.That wasn't the title. It could be named anything. What happened really
:48:48. > :48:54.is you shifted the discourse from arguing to stop Asad from killing
:48:55. > :49:02.civilians to stop ISIS and make us legitimate again. Asad kill seven
:49:03. > :49:07.times more civilians than ISIS. This week, I want to tell you what do you
:49:08. > :49:14.want to say to people there? They want protection. Why would you not,
:49:15. > :49:19.Stop the War Coalition of people who are pacifist, you don't want to go
:49:20. > :49:24.to war and throw Britain's weight around, why would you not want
:49:25. > :49:29.tolies Yoann to that? We do. You didn't. You stopped them speaking.
:49:30. > :49:34.Did you call the police? No. The police were called? I don't know
:49:35. > :49:39.about that. They were called. One of our members was escorted outside and
:49:40. > :49:45.asked repeatedly to lead. Why did you do that? I wouldn't do that. A
:49:46. > :49:50.radical politician like yourself, I'm not chairing this anymore, I'm
:49:51. > :49:54.joining the protesters. I was not aware the police were called. I
:49:55. > :50:00.didn't see the police. Let me say one thing, there is not a line from
:50:01. > :50:10.me on the record or any Labour MP saying we want to rehabilitate Asad.
:50:11. > :50:17.This is not about you, Diane. It is like giving people like money zoo a
:50:18. > :50:21.voice. -- Munza. You get to finish. The Green Party MP asked to hear
:50:22. > :50:29.from Syrians. You didn't allow it to happen. We were there, because we
:50:30. > :50:35.wanted our voice to be heard. It is veryrespect to discuss our country
:50:36. > :50:43.and not to let Syrians speak. I hope you feel the Daily Politics allowed
:50:44. > :50:47.you to have your voice:. The Transport Secretary has been updated
:50:48. > :50:51.Parliament on the situation in Sinai and the decision to cancel nights.
:50:52. > :50:56.The decisions we made were based on the review of all the information
:50:57. > :51:01.available to us. Some is sensitive. I cannot go into detail on that
:51:02. > :51:04.information. The House can be assured we've taken this decision on
:51:05. > :51:09.the basis of the safety of British citizens. There are two stages to
:51:10. > :51:14.this process. We are wokking with the airlines to put in place a
:51:15. > :51:17.short-term measure. This could include different arrangements for
:51:18. > :51:23.handling luggage. Beyond that, we are working with the Egyptians and
:51:24. > :51:27.airlines to put in place long-term sustainable measures to ensure our
:51:28. > :51:32.flights remain safe. We very much Pope it will be possible to declare
:51:33. > :51:36.it is safe to fly to the resort and resume normal flight operations in
:51:37. > :51:41.due course. But we don't know quite when. That was Patrick McLoughlin in
:51:42. > :51:43.the House of Commons as the Transport Secretary.
:51:44. > :51:46.One side effect of the rise of Corbynmania has been
:51:47. > :51:48.a huge upsurge of interest in Marxist and left-wing literature.
:51:49. > :51:51.A number of leading stores belonging to the UK's Alliance of
:51:52. > :51:54.Radical Booksellers said that sales were up and new customers want to
:51:55. > :51:56.read about the Labour Party history, as well as about socialist,
:51:57. > :52:04.If books are weapons, then these guys are big time arms dealers.
:52:05. > :52:07.Bookmarks in London is the UK's biggest socialist bookshop.
:52:08. > :52:12.Sales are up 20% since Jeremy Corbyn became Labour Leader.
:52:13. > :52:15.But they reckon it's not just down to him.
:52:16. > :52:20.I think Jeremy Corbyn's articulated a set of views
:52:21. > :52:25.and politics that lots of people have wanted expressed.
:52:26. > :52:31.I think they have been there for a very long time and there's been
:52:32. > :52:36.Since he's given them that expression, people feel a lot
:52:37. > :52:41.Noam Chomsky's polemic about Palestine is flying off the shelves.
:52:42. > :52:46.So too is the book by former Greek finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis.
:52:47. > :52:49.Channel 4 News Economics Editor Paul Mason is
:52:50. > :53:03.selling well and wait till you hear about Das Capital by Karl Marx.
:53:04. > :53:05.We've sold more copies of Capital in the last month-and-a-half than
:53:06. > :53:15.I think a whole wide range of people.
:53:16. > :53:17.A lot of students are buying it, trying to engage with his ideas.
:53:18. > :53:20.But I think lots of ordinary people as well that are encountering a
:53:21. > :53:24.But, what three titles does a self-respecting Corbynista need
:53:25. > :53:32.About the role of tax, why some people should pay more
:53:33. > :53:35.because they can and the role of tax in creating a fairer society.
:53:36. > :53:38.Next one is The Establishment by Owen Jones.
:53:39. > :53:41.Essentially talking about people at the top of society and how they
:53:42. > :53:44.run society for their own benefits at the expense of everyone else.
:53:45. > :53:48.Finally, a big issue at the moment, NHS For Sale.
:53:49. > :53:51.It is a big issue and people care a lot
:53:52. > :53:56.This book talks about the privatisation that's happening
:53:57. > :54:01.And if all that sounds a bit heavy, don't worry, there's a
:54:02. > :54:12.Jeremy Corbyn colouring book coming out just in time for Christmas!
:54:13. > :54:23.That's solved your Christmas present for me. It has. Jeffrey Archer, have
:54:24. > :54:29.you been swept up in Marxist literature. When you rang me
:54:30. > :54:34.yesterday I thought it was nothing less than my duty to check next
:54:35. > :54:42.week's bestseller list in hard back. Number one is When You're Dead,
:54:43. > :54:48.You're Dead. Number four is Binge. He doesn't drink. That can't be him.
:54:49. > :54:59.Number 8 is Leading. That's Alex Ferguson. Number 17 is Open The
:55:00. > :55:04.Cage, that's Paul O'Grady. And 47 is Absolutely Pandemonium. The Brian
:55:05. > :55:09.Blessed autobiography. None of those are leading left books. That's the
:55:10. > :55:15.top 50. Let's stick with the theme. You haven't picked up your old copy
:55:16. > :55:21.of Das Capital and had a look? It is a good thing. Anyone going into
:55:22. > :55:28.bookshops to buy box, I'm all in favour of that. We've seen many
:55:29. > :55:32.examples, JK Rowling is a classic, out came the great books all in a
:55:33. > :55:36.row for children. It was the grown-ups who benefitted later.
:55:37. > :55:42.They've gone on to read other books. She got people into books. So, if Mr
:55:43. > :55:48.Jeremy Corbyn's getting people into bookshops, that's wonderful. Diane,
:55:49. > :55:53.have you copies of these Marxist books? I read most of them years
:55:54. > :56:06.ago. On my Kindle is a book books? I read most of them years
:56:07. > :56:12.Melvin brag NOW now is the time. Do you agree with that? I can't confess
:56:13. > :56:18.to have read Melvin brag's latest book so not in a position so
:56:19. > :56:22.comment. Has Jeremy Corbyn's election interested people? I was
:56:23. > :56:27.among those and said it publicly, I felt he was bound to win. When the
:56:28. > :56:31.people were rushing out to pay ?3 to join the Labour Party to get a vote,
:56:32. > :56:34.they weren't rushing out for Andy Burnham. I worked it out pretty
:56:35. > :56:38.quickly they were rushing out for Jeremy Corbyn. I said publicly he's
:56:39. > :56:42.going to win and win easily. It doesn't surprise me. I also think
:56:43. > :56:46.he'll survive for a very long time. That will be the subject of many
:56:47. > :56:50.discussions on the Daily Politics over the next fee years. I'm sure
:56:51. > :56:55.die in ya will be part of some of those. We revisited some of your
:56:56. > :57:02.books to see if they could find a place in this up surge. First
:57:03. > :57:09.Amongst Equals And the Labour man wins and become Prime Minister. You
:57:10. > :57:11.were ahead of your times, it seems. Which books were popular during the
:57:12. > :57:16.Thatcher years? During the Thatcher Which books were popular during the
:57:17. > :57:21.years. In terms of political books on the right. Did they
:57:22. > :57:22.years. In terms of political books upsurge? The big political
:57:23. > :57:30.years. In terms of political books didn't have an upsurge in that time.
:57:31. > :57:36.years. In terms of political books The West Wing was a triumph. When
:57:37. > :57:46.that that start? 15 or 0 -- 20 years ago. So was House Of Cards. Lord
:57:47. > :57:47.that that start? 15 or 0 -- 20 years Dobbs book. Brilliant. One of the
:57:48. > :57:52.books to read Dobbs book. Brilliant. One of the
:57:53. > :57:59.Miliband. The other is Dobbs book. Brilliant. One of the
:58:00. > :58:03.unexpectedly becomes a leader of his party and is removed by conspiracy.
:58:04. > :58:06.unexpectedly becomes a leader of his Let's get quickly to the Jeremy
:58:07. > :58:12.Corbyn colouring book. Are you going do get it? Will it be on your
:58:13. > :58:12.Corbyn colouring book. Are you going Christmas list? I'm not a colouring
:58:13. > :58:19.book person. Shouldn't you be? Christmas list? I'm not a colouring
:58:20. > :58:27.all the rage. Will you get one? No, I think I'm more likely to get yum
:58:28. > :58:31.one When You're Dead, You're Dead. I think I'm more likely to get yum
:58:32. > :58:34.Not a very uplifting title. Thank you very much.
:58:35. > :58:37.That's all for today. Thanks to our guests.
:58:38. > :58:40.The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.
:58:41. > :58:42.I'll be on BBC One tonight with Michael Portillo, Alan Johnson,
:58:43. > :58:49.And I will be here again in the chair at noon tomorrow with all the