:00:37. > :00:40.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:41. > :00:43.Police in France have carried out nearly 170 raids,
:00:44. > :00:48.targeting suspected Islamists, in the wake of the Paris attacks.
:00:49. > :00:50.The French authorities have identified two more
:00:51. > :00:55.of the attackers - as the hunt continues for another suspect.
:00:56. > :00:57.Over the weekend the death toll reached 129.
:00:58. > :00:59.This morning the French Prime Minister warned further
:01:00. > :01:08.France retaliates, bombing targets in Syria overnight.
:01:09. > :01:13.20 bombs were dropped on the city of Raqqa, the IS stronghold.
:01:14. > :01:16.People across France and throughout Europe have observed a minute's
:01:17. > :01:23.The tribute was led by the French President Francois Hollande at the
:01:24. > :01:29.Sorbonne University in recognition of the many young people who died.
:01:30. > :01:32.The Prime Minister reveals seven terror plots have been foiled
:01:33. > :01:43.The government announces more money for counter terrorism efforts.
:01:44. > :01:47.All that in the next hour and with us for most
:01:48. > :01:50.of it the Foreign Affairs analyst, writer and broadcaster,
:01:51. > :01:55.Tim Marshall and Chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee,
:01:56. > :02:01.So to Paris where on Friday night 129 people died
:02:02. > :02:05.in one of the worst terrorist attrocities on European soil.
:02:06. > :02:08.It's been revealed that French police have carried out 168 raids
:02:09. > :02:12.across the country following the attacks.
:02:13. > :02:15.The interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, told reporters 104 people
:02:16. > :02:22.Weapons have been seized, including a Kalashnikov, automatic
:02:23. > :02:28.The French government says it is using the state of emergency to
:02:29. > :02:31.question people who are part of the radical Jihadist movement.
:02:32. > :02:39.Let's recap now on the events this weekend.
:02:40. > :02:46.At around 9:20pm Paris time on Friday the first explosions were
:02:47. > :02:50.heard near the Stade de France where President Francois Hollande was at a
:02:51. > :02:54.France Germany bid by match. At that stage it was reported that one
:02:55. > :02:59.person had been killed. It later emerged a suicide bomber had
:03:00. > :03:04.attempted to enter the 80,000 capacity stadium but was stopped by
:03:05. > :03:13.a security guard. Five minutes later than men with Kalashnikovs opened
:03:14. > :03:21.fire at the bar and restaurant. They killed 15 and injured ten. Another
:03:22. > :03:28.five lives were lost during gun attacks in the 11 district. At
:03:29. > :03:32.9:36pm and other 19 people were killed at a restaurant. That was
:03:33. > :03:36.followed by an explosion when a suicide bomb was detonated inside
:03:37. > :03:44.another restaurant. The biggest loss of life came in the gun men stormed
:03:45. > :03:50.Bataclan during a concert by American rock band Eagles Of Death
:03:51. > :04:00.Metal. By midnight president want had placed France under a state of
:04:01. > :04:04.emergency -- president will want. Salah Abdeslam, 26, is a key
:04:05. > :04:09.suspect. He was reportedly stopped by officers in the wake of the
:04:10. > :04:15.attacks and let go. His brother Mohammed Abdeslam has reportedly
:04:16. > :04:19.been arrested in Belgium. By the assailants have also been named.
:04:20. > :04:24.So-called Islamic State has claimed responsibility and it is believed
:04:25. > :04:28.the attacks originated in Syria. France has responded with the
:04:29. > :04:32.strikes which they see it destroyed a jihadi training camp and the
:04:33. > :04:34.munitions dump in the city of Raqqa. This is what the Prime Minister had
:04:35. > :05:02.to say this morning. To cut of the financing that
:05:03. > :05:08.terrorists rely on, to counter the terrorist ideology and a gander and
:05:09. > :05:11.to better protect ourselves from the threat of foreign fighters by
:05:12. > :05:12.sharing intelligence and stopping them from travelling.
:05:13. > :05:16.Well earlier I spoke to our Paris Correspondent, Anna Holligan.
:05:17. > :05:23.I began by asking about the conflicting reports we had heard
:05:24. > :05:25.after a Belgian radio station reported that Russell is born Salah
:05:26. > :05:28.Abdeslam had been arrested. This is the most wanted man
:05:29. > :05:32.in Europe at the moment. There is an operation underway
:05:33. > :05:37.in the Molenbeek area of Belgium. This is
:05:38. > :05:40.a very multicultural district and we are being told by Belgian
:05:41. > :05:43.police on their official Twitter account, they are asking
:05:44. > :05:47.journalists not to tweet or retweet close up photos of the operation
:05:48. > :05:53.in progress for security reasons. The suggestion is that this
:05:54. > :05:58.operation, there may be somebody there who they
:05:59. > :06:01.are trying to coax out or get out in some way and any photos or tweets
:06:02. > :06:04.could jeopardise their highly There have been conflicting reports
:06:05. > :06:12.because we were told not very long ago that Salah Abdeslam,
:06:13. > :06:15.the man you are talking about, It now looks like there is
:06:16. > :06:23.some doubt about that. It looks like he is still wanted,
:06:24. > :06:26.still out there. What we do know about this man is
:06:27. > :06:35.that he was stopped at the border and it was a huge intelligence
:06:36. > :06:38.missed opportunity, they went through his papers and he was
:06:39. > :06:41.allowed to travel on and this is the man they are now searching for,
:06:42. > :06:43.potentially You are just metres away
:06:44. > :06:51.from the Bataclan venue where the majority of the victims
:06:52. > :06:57.on Friday night were murdered. The Prime Minister in France,
:06:58. > :06:59.Manuel Valls, has said he expects Has he talked any more
:07:00. > :07:06.about that or is there anything else There have been some very worrying
:07:07. > :07:14.words from the Prime Minister today. Earlier, he talked about more than
:07:15. > :07:17.150 raids that were conducted He said that weapons,
:07:18. > :07:24.including a rocket launcher, rifles and bullet-proof vests,
:07:25. > :07:28.were picked up in Lyon. There were 15 raids there,
:07:29. > :07:33.but right across the country. I think we can move around
:07:34. > :07:37.and show you some of the flowers and candles that have been burning here
:07:38. > :07:43.ever since the attacks and just behind you can see the Bataclan
:07:44. > :07:46.music cafe where the majority Today it has been a time
:07:47. > :07:53.of reflection here, they held People now,
:07:54. > :08:00.it is coming to the end of three days of national mourning and they
:08:01. > :08:03.are looking for action and that is what we are expecting to hear more
:08:04. > :08:06.about today because the Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, warned
:08:07. > :08:09.that there may be more attacks. He said they were aware that attacks
:08:10. > :08:12.had been planned That is why there is a kind of
:08:13. > :08:17.anxious calm in Paris at the moment. People are trying to get on with
:08:18. > :08:21.their lives, the public transport is running again, people have returned
:08:22. > :08:25.to work, the schools are open. But as we saw last night,
:08:26. > :08:28.firecrackers were set off and everyone fled because they can't
:08:29. > :08:31.be sure that they are safe until With us now, the French commentator,
:08:32. > :08:54.Agnes Poirier, who is in Paris. A city in morning? -- mouring. Yes,
:08:55. > :09:01.throughout Paris and France you have gatherings, some ended with
:09:02. > :09:06.applause, some ended with the national anthem as was the case at
:09:07. > :09:15.the University where President Hollande and the Prime Minister
:09:16. > :09:22.wherewith students. In mouring but yesterday was interesting. There was
:09:23. > :09:28.an massive pilgrimage, a lot of people, each treats were thronged
:09:29. > :09:36.with prescience. -- this treats were thronged with prescience. All
:09:37. > :09:39.gatherings have been banned until Thursday for security reasons, when
:09:40. > :09:43.you have suicide bombers striking the country for the first time that
:09:44. > :09:48.is indeed the measure to be taken. But you could see the people, they
:09:49. > :09:55.wanted to be there, they wanted to do something. So many people just
:09:56. > :10:01.went from one scene of carnage to another, that was their pilgrimage
:10:02. > :10:07.for the Sunday and many people carrying flowers and you knew it was
:10:08. > :10:17.not for a friend or mother-in-law, it was for the victims. A picture of
:10:18. > :10:23.defiance, and of course anxiety and mouring. Soon they will be asking
:10:24. > :10:28.questions because a lot of the suicide bombers were known to the
:10:29. > :10:32.intelligence services and many so far are French nationals. So here we
:10:33. > :10:37.are, French compatriots killing their compatriots. Those questions
:10:38. > :10:43.surrounding the issue of where the suicide bombers came from and why
:10:44. > :10:51.Paris is yet again a target, does it feel like a city under siege? Yes
:10:52. > :10:57.and no. We have come to get used to it, since January. The French Armed
:10:58. > :11:03.Forces are everywhere to be seen in the streets of Paris and it has been
:11:04. > :11:07.the case for almost a year. They are guarding personalities, sensitive
:11:08. > :11:16.places, schools, newspaper offices. We have got used to very heightened
:11:17. > :11:23.level of alert and vigilance. We knew they were going to strike
:11:24. > :11:27.again, we did not expect the scope, the sheer ambition of what they did
:11:28. > :11:31.on Friday evening, that was something which shocked us, not the
:11:32. > :11:40.fact that they struck again. So I guess it is a new and mutating
:11:41. > :11:45.terror and an immense challenge, but not only poor France. Because Paris
:11:46. > :11:50.stands for everything they hate, subluxation and democracy. It could
:11:51. > :11:57.happen tomorrow indeed to other European countries and capital
:11:58. > :12:01.cities. Stay with us, Agnes Poirier, Tim, the scale of this was something
:12:02. > :12:04.quite unique for France, certainly mainland Europe. There have been
:12:05. > :12:08.other dreadful attacks in other parts of the world, but
:12:09. > :12:12.concentrating on the investigation which is ongoing, what are the
:12:13. > :12:16.French police and the Belgian police looking at, once they have arrested
:12:17. > :12:22.and caught the people who are still at large, what be doing? Questions
:12:23. > :12:25.will be asked if there was a massive deal you buy them. There was a
:12:26. > :12:29.failure but whether there are reasons and if they are excusable
:12:30. > :12:33.will come out over the coming weeks. It is clear they are tried to take
:12:34. > :12:36.this man alive because he is the last of the eight who is alive and
:12:37. > :12:41.they might be able to find information from him. It is thought
:12:42. > :12:46.that seven of the men wore suicide vests, they had to be made by
:12:47. > :12:50.somebody. The explosives had to be made. The person who made them and
:12:51. > :12:55.gave them almost certainly would not be one of the bombers, why would you
:12:56. > :13:00.burn an asset as they would say? So there is far more than just eight
:13:01. > :13:07.people involved, they want this man alive, they want as much information
:13:08. > :13:11.as possible. The 160 odd raids today, the majority will be rounding
:13:12. > :13:18.up the usual suspects. France has 10,000 young Muslims only notice
:13:19. > :13:25.which means they have come to the attention. Of those a much smaller
:13:26. > :13:30.minority-owned actually followed. This man potentially is the key, if
:13:31. > :13:36.he is taken Allied he might not want to say very much. What about this
:13:37. > :13:40.part of Belgium which seems to be seen as a hotbed for
:13:41. > :13:44.radicalisation, it must have been known for? They have had trouble
:13:45. > :13:50.there before, some of the incidents which have emanated from Brussels
:13:51. > :13:53.have come out of there. I used to live in Brussels as a correspondent
:13:54. > :13:57.and we knew about it then. I used to live in Paris in the 80s as a
:13:58. > :14:02.correspondent and you could see it germinating as long ago as that. But
:14:03. > :14:09.every single European capital has an area in which this sort of ideology
:14:10. > :14:12.is coming out. There will be also at a military responses to this and
:14:13. > :14:16.intelligence responses and the third plank of the response is the one
:14:17. > :14:22.which seems to have the least effort put into it. That is combating the
:14:23. > :14:26.ideology that allows these things to come out of these areas which are in
:14:27. > :14:30.every single European capital. Crispin Blunt, what are your
:14:31. > :14:38.thoughts about the attacks and the response? I think the attacks have
:14:39. > :14:42.to be counted into future policy before they happen, we should have
:14:43. > :14:46.expected something like this. We are relatively lucky in London because
:14:47. > :14:49.it is a more difficult target because of the Schengen Agreement,
:14:50. > :14:56.the lack of availability of weapons, the population is not in as much a
:14:57. > :15:02.state of disagreement as they are in France following decades of how the
:15:03. > :15:06.French have pursued assimilation. For those reasons we are in a better
:15:07. > :15:11.place but it does not make us immune at all. As I go around the Palace of
:15:12. > :15:15.Westminster talking to the policemen, it is a likelihood that
:15:16. > :15:19.if they had the capability they would try something against an
:15:20. > :15:24.iconic target like that, so you have to have all the protections in
:15:25. > :15:28.place. But your policy towards the ideology, and towards the territory
:15:29. > :15:33.that that ideology now controls which makes it easier to project
:15:34. > :15:36.attacks on the rest of us, should already have been in place and we
:15:37. > :15:44.need a coherent international plan to make sure that Isis is defeated
:15:45. > :15:48.in Syria and Iraq. That does not defeat the ideology but it makes it
:15:49. > :15:55.more difficult to project. That means you have two sort out Syria.
:15:56. > :16:01.Francois Hollande said it was a declaration of war. An act of war.
:16:02. > :16:07.Would you not say that you have been at war with IS with this
:16:08. > :16:16.radicalisation and radicalism for some time? Absolutely. We talked
:16:17. > :16:23.about war in January this year. Two years ago, France led the UN
:16:24. > :16:35.mandated operation in Mali with some success. France is one of the most
:16:36. > :16:38.active advocate against Daesh. Let's not forget that the different
:16:39. > :16:43.theatres of operations are vast, in Africa with the affiliate of Daesh
:16:44. > :16:54.or the Islamic State and in Syria and Iraq. But France cannot go alone
:16:55. > :16:58.and send troops, that is obvious. But there are tough questions for
:16:59. > :17:07.the coalition and for democracies because democracy is their target.
:17:08. > :17:13.So what are we going to do? Our bombings by plain enough? They
:17:14. > :17:17.hardly contain Irish. The Kurds are the only one actually fighting them
:17:18. > :17:26.on the ground and they do it on our behalf -- they hardly contain
:17:27. > :17:30.Daesh. Islamic State is convinced that democracies are not going to
:17:31. > :17:35.send troops and that is probably what feeds there in credible cheek
:17:36. > :17:39.and ambition to strike us at home. These Paris attacks, there will be
:17:40. > :17:46.more, as These Paris attacks, there will be
:17:47. > :17:51.and not only in France. Is there support in Paris from people for an
:17:52. > :17:56.infant the bombing we have seen by France on Raqqa, for example? There
:17:57. > :18:02.is a limit on what you can do. President Francois Hollande could
:18:03. > :18:06.not just stay idle but President Francois Hollande could
:18:07. > :18:13.hand, it is exactly what Isis wants. You talk to people on the
:18:14. > :18:18.streets and they say yes, of course, but what next? The key is
:18:19. > :18:26.intelligence much more than bombings and also cooperation with tween
:18:27. > :18:33.allies and democracies because they hate everything democracy stands for
:18:34. > :18:39.and Paris and France is one of the birthplace of them are Kgosi and is
:18:40. > :18:44.the main target. When -- birthplace of the Moxey. When do you think --
:18:45. > :18:55.democracy. When do you think Paris will get
:18:56. > :18:58.back to normal? Since January there is a new normal, you cannot have
:18:59. > :19:05.more Armed Forces deployed as you already have. Of course you have
:19:06. > :19:10.soft target and the 10th and 11th district were soft targets,
:19:11. > :19:15.extremely vibrant and diverse and useful but nobody could have
:19:16. > :19:22.foreseen that the article and a fitter, which is very well known,
:19:23. > :19:31.would have been a target -- the actor clan Theatre -- Bataclan. They
:19:32. > :19:35.are incredibly ambitious and they know what they are doing and they
:19:36. > :19:40.are planning carefully. We thought the next target might be the Eiffel
:19:41. > :19:42.Tower or something but it is extremely well protected. The French
:19:43. > :19:46.government cannot send troops everywhere. We will have to say
:19:47. > :19:49.goodbye, thank you very much. Well in a show of unity,
:19:50. > :19:52.a minute's silence was held across Europe at 11am today to
:19:53. > :19:54.remember those who died. The mark of silence held
:19:55. > :20:34.across Europe earlier today. Well, what of the international
:20:35. > :20:39.reponse to the attacks? As we've heard, France retaliated
:20:40. > :20:43.overnight with airstrikes, bombing Islamic State targets in the Syrian
:20:44. > :20:46.city of Raqqa and security has been Over the weekend, Ukip's defence
:20:47. > :20:51.spokesman, Mike Hookem, called on European leaders to "hang
:20:52. > :20:54.their heads in shame" and declared I began by asking what he meant
:20:55. > :21:04.by Schengen being dead. We know that these people,
:21:05. > :21:07.I mean I was in northern France, I reported then people traffickers
:21:08. > :21:15.using false passports, getting people into the country, filling
:21:16. > :21:20.them up in cars and vehicles. We now have a situation where Isis,
:21:21. > :21:22.these terrorists, have identified a weakness
:21:23. > :21:24.in our security and are taking full Of course we are not part
:21:25. > :21:31.of that borderless Europe, Yes, we do,
:21:32. > :21:34.but they should be strengthened. More security, more people on
:21:35. > :21:40.the borders, more passport checks. That is being done,
:21:41. > :21:42.the Home Secretary has announced He has announced that today but
:21:43. > :21:47.that has only just happened after Back to the Schengen
:21:48. > :21:52.agreement you say is dead. Do you mean now that borderless
:21:53. > :21:55.Europe is over, that there are going to be border controls set up on all
:21:56. > :21:59.continental European countries? Yes, we've seen it,
:22:00. > :22:02.France are now bringing back the border controls, other countries
:22:03. > :22:05.are bringing back border controls. These people are taking advantage
:22:06. > :22:11.of our weakness in security and they are going to carry on
:22:12. > :22:14.taking advantage of that security. You also slammed European leaders
:22:15. > :22:17.who actively encouraged the migrant crisis and said they
:22:18. > :22:22.should hang their heads in shame. What do you mean in terms
:22:23. > :22:26.of the migrant crisis in relation to Nigel Farage said in April that this
:22:27. > :22:32.was going to happen, that Isis was going to flood the continent with
:22:33. > :22:34.terrorists and freedom fighters In August,
:22:35. > :22:41.when I was over there in northern France, I was saying then that this
:22:42. > :22:45.was a weak point and people were coming in and some of these people,
:22:46. > :22:48.not all but some of these people But when you look at what happened
:22:49. > :22:56.in Paris, and the identification of the suicide bombers that have
:22:57. > :23:00.been made public, only one has been linked, and even yet that is still
:23:01. > :23:03.yet to be completely formally The others were
:23:04. > :23:06.home-grown terrorists. But they are being supplied
:23:07. > :23:09.and there is more people coming Do you think this attack would not
:23:10. > :23:16.have happened if there hadn't been a flow of refugees and migrants from
:23:17. > :23:23.Libya to Greece and through Europe? I'm saying it's being helped
:23:24. > :23:26.by the flow of migrants coming in and the lack of checks
:23:27. > :23:30.and security on the borders. So when you say that European
:23:31. > :23:32.leaders who actively encouraged the migrant crisis should hang their
:23:33. > :23:35.heads in shame, are you thinking In April, Nigel Farage stood up in
:23:36. > :23:46.the Parliament and said that this was a likelihood, a real chance of
:23:47. > :23:49.this happening, and he was laughed Is this the time to be making party
:23:50. > :23:55.political points, When I'm sat there that night
:23:56. > :24:05.looking at what was going on across in France, this is an
:24:06. > :24:09.absolute tragedy, it was shocking. But as politicians,
:24:10. > :24:12.we have to be looking to the future and we have to be looking
:24:13. > :24:15.at what weaknesses on the borders. We was highlighting these weaknesses
:24:16. > :24:18.and people should step up now Some of the statements by Ukip
:24:19. > :24:24.members, including the deputy chairman Suzanne Evans,
:24:25. > :24:26.have blamed Islam for the attacks. This is about a small minority
:24:27. > :24:32.of people who have She has tweeted,
:24:33. > :24:38."Will politicians finally admit... I'm not going to defend
:24:39. > :24:42.Suzanne Evans on this programme. I'm stating now there is
:24:43. > :24:46.a small number of, you know, Islamic terrorists who have
:24:47. > :24:48.a warped sense of Islam. Was she wrong to say,
:24:49. > :24:51."Will politicians finally admit that the Paris attacks had something to
:24:52. > :24:53.do with Islam"? Suzanne will have to defend herself,
:24:54. > :24:56.I'm not here to defend her. Right, but you don't think she was
:24:57. > :24:59.right to say it was Islam As I said, there are
:25:00. > :25:06.a small number of these terrorists Nigel Farage will be giving
:25:07. > :25:12.a speech on foreign policy tonight. Can we expect any changes to Ukip
:25:13. > :25:16.policy? No,
:25:17. > :25:18.I think Nigel will be himself and he will be strong on the message he has
:25:19. > :25:22.been sending out for many months. But what will he be proposing other
:25:23. > :25:25.than what you have said today? I haven't seen Nigel's speech, I
:25:26. > :25:28.haven't spoken to him this weekend. What would you like to hear
:25:29. > :25:30.from him? What sort of tone do you
:25:31. > :25:32.think he should strike? He's got to have a tough tone
:25:33. > :25:35.on the foreign policy As we have been saying,
:25:36. > :25:39.this has to be a grand coalition of the countries, bringing Russia
:25:40. > :25:42.and bringing China, Nato, the Arab Do you think we should be
:25:43. > :25:50.bombing Isis in Syria? Bombing is all well and good
:25:51. > :25:53.if there is a strategy Wholesale bombing is
:25:54. > :26:00.not going to work. There has to be a strategy to
:26:01. > :26:03.the end, there has to be troops Who those troops are, I don't know,
:26:04. > :26:07.whether they be Nato troops, Russian troops, but there has to be
:26:08. > :26:10.troops on the ground. Would you like to see Nato come
:26:11. > :26:12.in at this stage? It is an act of war and I think Nato
:26:13. > :26:29.has to get involved. Let's talk about this declaration of
:26:30. > :26:33.war. David Cameron did not want to use that sentiment this morning. I
:26:34. > :26:38.mentioned Nato, does it have any implications for Nato? Potentially.
:26:39. > :26:46.The French president was the first to say it. It was followed up in the
:26:47. > :26:53.French press, a headline saying that this time it was war. He can invoke
:26:54. > :26:58.Article five of the Nato charter is the wishes, an attack on one is an
:26:59. > :27:03.attack on all which is only done once before and that was after 9/11.
:27:04. > :27:10.I don't think that is necessary at the moment. It might even come big
:27:11. > :27:15.things. You will have seen at the G8 entry -- T20, Putin and Obama
:27:16. > :27:21.talking. That was at least half an hour. Which is unusual for them. The
:27:22. > :27:26.Prime Minister has been talking with Putin today. The Chief of defence
:27:27. > :27:29.staff got in a bit of hot water saying that we were abandoning our
:27:30. > :27:36.allies and that we needed to get some sort of strategy with Putin.
:27:37. > :27:40.That is getting traction now. Nicolas Sarkozy has said it and he
:27:41. > :27:44.might be standing again. I'm not making an argument one way or the
:27:45. > :27:50.other but what seemed outlandish is coming into the centre. Do you
:27:51. > :27:53.support that dialogue but you look David Cameron has met with Vladimir
:27:54. > :27:58.Putin, they have talked about a unified response, is that the right
:27:59. > :28:04.response and pragmatic politics? We have eight necessity to defeat Isis
:28:05. > :28:08.and to do that you have to bring the Syrian Civil War to a conclusion
:28:09. > :28:13.because you had to work out who in Syria will take and hold the
:28:14. > :28:17.territory and administer it, that is hold by Isis and that means a
:28:18. > :28:23.conversation with Putin. He and the Iranians are supporting the Syrian
:28:24. > :28:27.regime. All of this has begun, it began in the wake of the downing of
:28:28. > :28:33.the Russian airliner. There was a follow-up meeting in Vienna and the
:28:34. > :28:37.conclusions from that are encouraging, about setting out
:28:38. > :28:38.conclusions from that are international strategy and a pathway
:28:39. > :28:42.to some resolution of the Syrian Civil War.
:28:43. > :28:47.to some resolution of the Syrian with identifying who the terrorist
:28:48. > :28:51.groups within Syria are so there is a process happening and we have to
:28:52. > :28:56.get behind that and make sure the Iranians and the Saudis are part of
:28:57. > :28:59.it. So do Turkey, as well as the Russians and the Americans.
:29:00. > :29:05.it. So do Turkey, as well as the sticking point was that the Russians
:29:06. > :29:08.would have two stop bombing what work colloquially known as
:29:09. > :29:11.opposition to Bashar al-Assad full stop they want to keep him there and
:29:12. > :29:15.Britain doesn't. stop they want to keep him there and
:29:16. > :29:16.agreement is the political stop they want to keep him there and
:29:17. > :29:24.elections that will involve all stop they want to keep him there and
:29:25. > :29:28.Syrians. The Russian line is that it is for the Syrians to choose their
:29:29. > :29:29.leader. Within an electoral and political process that is meant
:29:30. > :29:37.leader. Within an electoral and starting on January one, with all
:29:38. > :29:42.the international players, who all have dogs in this fight, they have
:29:43. > :29:45.agreed to put pressure on their clients to make them sit down at the
:29:46. > :29:50.table and begin that process of transition. Is rooting
:29:51. > :29:56.table and begin that process of militarily possible? Yes. With or
:29:57. > :30:04.without ground troops? That is more problematic. You have to have ground
:30:05. > :30:07.troops. Whose troops? It'll be a conventional land to take and hold
:30:08. > :30:12.the ground currently administered by Isis. They are running a adamant
:30:13. > :30:18.there and controlling territory. It would be infinitely better if those
:30:19. > :30:24.round trips come from both sides of the Comput -- those ground troops
:30:25. > :30:28.come from both sides of the conflict and also come from Turkey, Saudi
:30:29. > :30:31.Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, those are the countries who should be putting
:30:32. > :30:35.together troops along with the Iraqi army.
:30:36. > :30:45.If they can put together an operation in Yemen they can do it in
:30:46. > :30:50.Syria. Total air supremacy, target acquisition, special forces, all the
:30:51. > :30:53.things which will enable the conventional military operation to
:30:54. > :30:57.be relatively straight forward in that sense against an enemy the size
:30:58. > :31:02.and as well-equipped as Isis, if it can put together properly we can
:31:03. > :31:07.make sure the ground troops are able to complete the operation. That is
:31:08. > :31:11.the ideal situation. But if they are not prepared to do it we will have
:31:12. > :31:17.to look eventually at other options. It goes straight to the Isis
:31:18. > :31:27.ideological narrative, if it is Western Force is or Iranians forces
:31:28. > :31:30.who are the people on the ground. Is continued British noninvolvement in
:31:31. > :31:45.Syria in terms of bombing looking increasingly untenable Crispin? It's
:31:46. > :31:50.an important point, the House of Commons at some point will be
:31:51. > :31:53.asked, I hope, to approve a contribution to the land air
:31:54. > :31:59.campaign which will take out Isis. I hope it doesn't involve British
:32:00. > :32:05.ground troops but it should involve a more substantial British air
:32:06. > :32:14.campaign than is being suggested. I think the House of Commons, in Askin
:32:15. > :32:18.for right thing and this is what Britain should be doing with our
:32:19. > :32:22.international partners. Saying it is all very well, but we have to get a
:32:23. > :32:30.coherent international strategy together. We all agree Isis are our
:32:31. > :32:34.enemy and must be defeated. We have all taken serious casualties. Let's
:32:35. > :32:39.make the decisions necessary to put the strategy in place. What about
:32:40. > :32:45.the immediate response on the continent? Agnes Poirier seeing you
:32:46. > :32:49.cannot have more armed guards on the street, you cannot prevent those
:32:50. > :32:57.kind of attacks. What about Schengen? What about the EU? Has it
:32:58. > :33:01.been exposed in a way which is irreparable? It was already
:33:02. > :33:04.suffering hammer blows because of the refugee crisis and this is a
:33:05. > :33:08.greater blow from which it might not recover and of course the refugee
:33:09. > :33:13.story has not finished. The causality is not yet established but
:33:14. > :33:19.IS did announce they were going to send people with refugees. I don't
:33:20. > :33:26.think there is not a great move deal more which can be done than which is
:33:27. > :33:28.already being done. Poland said they would not get involved taking
:33:29. > :33:33.refugees after this because they have seen what can happen. The whole
:33:34. > :33:43.thing is coming down. Militarily there will be our response and IS
:33:44. > :33:50.will lose, the same way that Al-Qaeda dead and prevent replaced
:33:51. > :33:56.by IS. But they will be followed by another group unless you deal with
:33:57. > :33:59.it at the root. Accept that the ideology, there has to be a
:34:00. > :34:04.softening of some of the teachings that these people get. Crispin
:34:05. > :34:07.Blunt, thank you very much, Tim, you are staying with us.
:34:08. > :34:09.Well, the attacks in Paris will undoubtedly have implications
:34:10. > :34:12.The Prime Minister has called for the
:34:13. > :34:15.the British public to show "resolve" in the wake of the terror attacks.
:34:16. > :34:19.Mr Cameron promised extra funding for the UK's security services to
:34:20. > :34:22.help combat Islamic State terrorism, revealing that seven plots has been
:34:23. > :34:30.Let's talk now to our political correspondent Chris Mason.
:34:31. > :34:39.Can you elaborate on the new measures which are being brought in?
:34:40. > :34:42.The Prime Minister has given a press conference in the last hour in
:34:43. > :34:48.Turkey at the G20 summit before flying back to London. What did we
:34:49. > :34:52.learn? He says there have been agreements at the summit over
:34:53. > :34:56.intelligence sharing and cutting off the financing for terrorist groups.
:34:57. > :35:01.He says there will be a big increase in the amount of money spent in the
:35:02. > :35:06.UK on aviation security and for the first time cooperations amongst G20
:35:07. > :35:11.countries on that theme. They have also fast forwarded an announcement
:35:12. > :35:18.on boosts to the intelligence services, an extra 1900 operatives
:35:19. > :35:21.will be recruited. That will obviously take some time before they
:35:22. > :35:28.are up and running, trained, have been through the security checks
:35:29. > :35:31.which will take place for anyone hired by those organisations. The
:35:32. > :35:36.Prime Minister also making the case that in his view there is not any
:35:37. > :35:43.border between Iraq and Syria as far as Isil are concerned so that UK
:35:44. > :35:47.should not necessarily feel obliged to take account of that in its
:35:48. > :35:51.bombing raids on Isil which at the moment are restricted to Iraq. But
:35:52. > :35:56.the is a real sense from many MPs hear that they are yet to be
:35:57. > :36:00.persuaded, particularly Jeremy Corbyn this morning making it very
:36:01. > :36:02.clear that he sees France's additional attacks on Isil over the
:36:03. > :36:06.weekend as potentially counter-productive. Thank you Chris
:36:07. > :36:11.And joining us now, the Conservative MP, Oliver Dowden.
:36:12. > :36:13.The Labour MP, Chris Matheson and, from Salford, Haras Rafiq
:36:14. > :36:24.And Tim Marshall is still here. The seven foiled plots indicate that
:36:25. > :36:30.Islamic State do pose a threat in the UK, are we at risk to the same
:36:31. > :36:41.degree as brands? Yes but we are better prepared. -- as France. It is
:36:42. > :36:47.hard to get a Kalashnikov here. You mentioned that a rocket launcher has
:36:48. > :36:55.been found in one of the raids. Even in the 1990s French gangsters were
:36:56. > :37:01.using rocket propelled grenades on money carriers. And they don't just
:37:02. > :37:04.have a helmet, they have a bullet-proof vest. If the gangsters
:37:05. > :37:10.can get Kalashnikovs so can the Islamists. They have seven borders
:37:11. > :37:14.and have not been any checks on any of them. The UK is in a different
:37:15. > :37:21.position. But I am pretty sure that at some point there will be an
:37:22. > :37:25.attempt like this. But we do have, very, very good intelligence and
:37:26. > :37:31.that is why the Prime Minister has today announced what I think is a
:37:32. > :37:37.15% budget increase in intelligence services. This attack is almost
:37:38. > :37:42.impossible to protect against, that is the problem? Yes, and I think
:37:43. > :37:47.what it points to first of all is that Islamic State, if we had any
:37:48. > :37:51.doubt, present a clear threat to our national security in this country.
:37:52. > :37:55.We have seen these attacks on a Russian plane, on the beaches of
:37:56. > :38:00.Tunisia, the attack in Paris. There is clearly a threat here. In
:38:01. > :38:04.response what we need to look at is how we can help the security
:38:05. > :38:08.services do their job. From my time working in number ten I was aware of
:38:09. > :38:12.the number of plots which are actually foiled and we need to give
:38:13. > :38:18.the security services the power to do that. And we need to look at how
:38:19. > :38:27.weedy with Isis in Syria -- how we deal with. Do you agree that any
:38:28. > :38:30.objections on Civil Liberties grounds to increasing surveillance
:38:31. > :38:36.or current legislation by Theresa May, will fall on deaf ears? We
:38:37. > :38:40.cannot allow a terrorist attack however dreadful to dictate
:38:41. > :38:44.long-term policy in these areas. There have to be some changes, some
:38:45. > :38:48.moves to bring up to date the surveillance powers of the
:38:49. > :38:53.intelligence agencies. But we have to do that within the context of a
:38:54. > :38:56.country which remains committed to liberty including judicial
:38:57. > :39:01.involvement in the warrants. It appears some of the attackers were
:39:02. > :39:06.French European citizens, some of whom were thought to have returned
:39:07. > :39:11.from fighting in Syria or Iraq with Islamic State. The police say that
:39:12. > :39:15.out of the 700 British people who have gone to Syria have have
:39:16. > :39:24.returned to the country, we are at risk and we? Absolutely, people have
:39:25. > :39:27.been talking about extremism, ten years ago we were talking about
:39:28. > :39:34.Al-Qaeda inspired extremism, the reality is that IS, Isil and
:39:35. > :39:41.Al-Qaeda did not inspire extremism, extremism inspired them. We are
:39:42. > :39:48.living in a time of the global jihadists insurgency. That is not
:39:49. > :39:51.sustainable unless there is support. We are living in a time where there
:39:52. > :39:57.is some support for the political ideology which underpins the
:39:58. > :40:01.particular form of extremism and theology which empowers people to
:40:02. > :40:09.carry out these attacks. If theology which empowers people to
:40:10. > :40:12.the lens of Isil or defeating IS as we did with
:40:13. > :40:17.the lens of Isil or defeating IS as mentioned that we had a won the war
:40:18. > :40:20.against Al-Qaeda, I've ever speaking to a senior politician when Osama
:40:21. > :40:24.bin Ladin was killed and saying this is not over and he
:40:25. > :40:27.bin Ladin was killed and saying this we have taken out the leader.
:40:28. > :40:33.Clearly we have not. The risk is from the ideology which reads
:40:34. > :40:36.youngsters to be brainwashed and recruited to this worldview where
:40:37. > :40:42.their identity is no longer British or French or anything like that. It
:40:43. > :40:47.is Islamist jihadists. That is what we need to tackle. How would you
:40:48. > :40:49.tackle it? What would be the first thing you would do? If you see a
:40:50. > :40:55.continuation from Al-Qaeda to thing you would do? If you see a
:40:56. > :40:59.what would you do? One thing which has not been tried is to
:41:00. > :41:02.what would you do? One thing which ideology. We have only had half of a
:41:03. > :41:07.prevention strategy. We were looking to this
:41:08. > :41:09.prevention strategy. We were looking security and I am not saying we
:41:10. > :41:13.shouldn't. It government to protect its citizens.
:41:14. > :41:18.But we have government to protect its citizens.
:41:19. > :41:22.task force where we have to government to protect its citizens.
:41:23. > :41:32.civil society coalitions, alliances to deconstruct the ideology, the
:41:33. > :41:38.the alternatives. Have a strategy and in actual fact, the preventative
:41:39. > :41:45.strategy for and in actual fact, the preventative
:41:46. > :41:50.say they have been a limited by the government, they were not included
:41:51. > :41:56.in discussions. Do you agree it has been a failure? This is something
:41:57. > :42:00.the parameter takes very seriously. He is committed to tackling
:42:01. > :42:01.extremism at source -- something the Prime Minister takes very seriously.
:42:02. > :42:06.This cannot be done easily, Prime Minister takes very seriously.
:42:07. > :42:09.are challenges as to how you best achieve this. You
:42:10. > :42:12.are challenges as to how you best years and all we
:42:13. > :42:14.are challenges as to how you best stream of people from Britain and
:42:15. > :42:17.other European countries going to fight in Syria. There are two
:42:18. > :42:24.issues, first late tackle a thing fight in Syria. There are two
:42:25. > :42:27.firstly tackling it in this country. There is a second issue which
:42:28. > :42:31.relates to people coming back from Syria which is more a case of how do
:42:32. > :42:36.we monitor the people who have gone out and been radicalised and are
:42:37. > :42:40.coming back. That is a combination of education and the security
:42:41. > :42:45.services keeping tabs. The failure has been people going out in the
:42:46. > :42:47.first place. Why have they been so attracted to the ideology of the
:42:48. > :42:54.prevent strategy has been successful? You cannot expect one
:42:55. > :42:59.strategy alone to be the cure all bullet. There are tremendous pulls
:43:00. > :43:03.to countries like Syria where there is a missed placed romanticism,
:43:04. > :43:12.almost as if it was taking place in the Spanish Civil War. You cannot
:43:13. > :43:18.tackle it all at once. Are you shaking your head because you don't
:43:19. > :43:24.think prevent has worked in anyway shape or form, or enough
:43:25. > :43:29.understanding of the problem? If you look at a lot of the success in
:43:30. > :43:34.terms of empowering schools to do safeguarding, it has been done this
:43:35. > :43:38.year. Five years of the Coalition Government, there was not any, one
:43:39. > :43:43.particular government department tasked with going out to communities
:43:44. > :43:48.and in power voices to take on the challenge. It didn't happen. Now it
:43:49. > :43:52.is happening so it is correct to say the prevent strategy had not worked
:43:53. > :43:57.because we only had half a prevent strategy. Now the gap is being
:43:58. > :44:01.filled but it is only recently where they buy minister has made some
:44:02. > :44:08.inroads -- the Prime Minister has made some inroads. We have not
:44:09. > :44:13.tackled the ideology that eight minority within a minority have
:44:14. > :44:17.decided to go out to Iraq and Syria. The Prime Minister is doing it now
:44:18. > :44:22.but we should have done it five years ago. How much responsibility
:44:23. > :44:26.rests with the Muslim community in Britain? I don't think we are
:44:27. > :44:31.talking about Muslim issues, Islamic State are a fascist grip and if we
:44:32. > :44:37.understand it is a fascist ideology we can separate it entirely from
:44:38. > :44:40.most mainstream Muslim thought. There will be some individuals out
:44:41. > :44:47.there, hate preachers and someone who will need to be dealt with. But
:44:48. > :44:50.the huge majority of Muslims, certainly in Chester where I know
:44:51. > :44:56.the community, and right across, are horrified by these attacks. There is
:44:57. > :45:00.a huge responsibility on news on committees in particular to identify
:45:01. > :45:05.those people who are perhaps at risk, perhaps acting a little
:45:06. > :45:10.strangely. But that could be the same of any of us looking at people
:45:11. > :45:13.being radicalised. Do you agree, does there need to be more
:45:14. > :45:16.responsibility from within the community to help identify people
:45:17. > :45:21.who might be vulnerable to this sort of ideology?
:45:22. > :45:29.If you look at the statistics of people going out to join Isil and
:45:30. > :45:33.convicted of these attacks, it is a fallacy to say that they are not
:45:34. > :45:42.educated, middle-class or upper middle class, 40s and percent of the
:45:43. > :45:48.people convicted in the UK have had higher education. -- 47%. We have to
:45:49. > :45:54.look at this, not just to the point where they become violent, we have
:45:55. > :46:00.to look at the whole concept of totalitarianism, the idea of this
:46:01. > :46:09.Islamist caliphate, enforcing their version of Shahril or, that is what
:46:10. > :46:14.we need to tackle. -- sharia law. There is a whole roll for Muslims
:46:15. > :46:20.and non-Muslims. The new community engagement Forum is not a Muslim
:46:21. > :46:23.engagement Forum, it is a community engagement Forum with Muslims and
:46:24. > :46:28.non-Muslims coming together to form these alliances and tackle this. It
:46:29. > :46:33.is a problem for the whole immunity but Muslims, people like me need to
:46:34. > :46:39.play our part -- the whole community. Tweets are coming in
:46:40. > :46:45.saying that France will call for effective suspension of Schengen on
:46:46. > :46:52.Friday. I'll use a prized? Not in the least -- are you surprised.
:46:53. > :47:00.What is happening is Fortress nation state and not Fortress Europe. They
:47:01. > :47:04.will not be a big ring around Europe, there is odd why are going
:47:05. > :47:15.up and there are deep divisions in our heads -- there is barbed wire. I
:47:16. > :47:19.think IS are fascists, they are Islamic fascists and I don't think
:47:20. > :47:24.you can separate religion from it which is unpopular but a personal
:47:25. > :47:27.belief. But they are going to lose but in the manner of them losing we
:47:28. > :47:30.are going to divide and that is pretty sad. Thank you for joining
:47:31. > :47:32.us. Now let's take a look
:47:33. > :47:34.at how the political map is shaping This afternoon in the Commons,
:47:35. > :47:39.MPs will debate plans to boost counter-terrorism
:47:40. > :47:44.and aviation security. Tonight the Prime Minister will give
:47:45. > :47:47.his annual speech on foreign policy at the Lord Mayor's banquet
:47:48. > :47:51.in the City of London. And Ukip leader Nigel Farage will
:47:52. > :47:56.also give a speech this evening, addressing the events in Paris, as
:47:57. > :48:01.part of his "Say No to the EU" tour. On Wednesday David Cameron faces
:48:02. > :48:04.Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn across the despatch box
:48:05. > :48:07.for our weekly dose of PMQs. And on Thursday the House of Commons
:48:08. > :48:10.will discuss issues surrounding A debate secured by the Conservative
:48:11. > :48:20.back-bencher Phillip Davies. And with us now,
:48:21. > :48:22.Steve Richards from the Independent and Tim Shipman, Political Editor
:48:23. > :48:34.of the Sunday Times. Steve Richards, David Cameron is
:48:35. > :48:38.giving a speech on foreign policy, do you expect him to say that event
:48:39. > :48:43.in Paris underline the case for British air strikes in Syria? He
:48:44. > :48:50.thought before Paris, wrongly in my view, that there was a case for air
:48:51. > :48:53.strikes. It is a statement of the obvious, if you can't get a majority
:48:54. > :48:59.in the House of Commons, they will not put it to the house. I can't see
:49:00. > :49:06.why these air strikes, sorry, the event in Paris on Friday, change the
:49:07. > :49:10.essential argument. Some MPs have told me they think there is a
:49:11. > :49:13.majority in the House of Commons for air strikes and probably was before
:49:14. > :49:20.Paris because you have a section of the Labour Party who will back them.
:49:21. > :49:25.He won't do it until he is sure he will win the vote and that remains
:49:26. > :49:29.unchanged. Is there a continued campaign to get the numbers? There
:49:30. > :49:33.were conflicting reports over the weekend, some Labour MPs said they
:49:34. > :49:39.had not been talk to but others said they had and there was a coalition
:49:40. > :49:43.to get support. If they make the effort, there is probably the
:49:44. > :49:48.numbers. Michael Fallon has been getting people into the MoD,
:49:49. > :49:53.including Labour MPs. My understanding is that will
:49:54. > :49:57.continue. What needs to happen, and people around the Prime Minister
:49:58. > :50:01.know this, is that he has to get stuck in himself and make this
:50:02. > :50:06.argument. Steve said the argument hasn't changed, it probably hasn't,
:50:07. > :50:10.and there is still big argument about whether you bomb one side of
:50:11. > :50:16.an artificial line or the other and if it makes a difference. There is a
:50:17. > :50:21.sense that senior people like Crispin Blunt are beginning to edge
:50:22. > :50:24.back a bit from the precipice of a hundred patient with the PM and if
:50:25. > :50:33.he makes the effort and gets people in himself, there is a majority -- a
:50:34. > :50:39.confrontation. The Prime Minister is committed to having action in Syria
:50:40. > :50:44.and we had the vote three years ago. I don't think this completely
:50:45. > :50:47.changes the argument but it is further evidence that Isis present a
:50:48. > :50:51.risk to national security and we should be taking efforts to deal
:50:52. > :50:55.with it. The Prime Minister has said there is no point in having the vote
:50:56. > :51:03.if you know the result will be the same. When the catered been made,
:51:04. > :51:07.then we can have a vote. -- the case has been made. Should he be making
:51:08. > :51:14.this central to his efforts if he believes in it? You heard him this
:51:15. > :51:19.morning, he is repeating this argument that we need to deal with
:51:20. > :51:26.Isis. That sounds like he will push but but but the Foreign Affairs
:51:27. > :51:30.Committee report. That was not written without them being fully
:51:31. > :51:36.aware of the risks. Paris confirms that. They were there before Paris
:51:37. > :51:42.and they are still there. Crispin said on your programme that there
:51:43. > :51:45.has to be some kind of coherent military strategy involving Buttin
:51:46. > :51:55.and others before they endorse further military action -- Putin. It
:51:56. > :52:01.is interesting that the vote three years ago was about arming Assad but
:52:02. > :52:06.things have moved on. It is now Islamic State. There is a Civil War
:52:07. > :52:11.with five or six different sides. I'm not clear whether arming Assad
:52:12. > :52:16.or Islamic state or both would have to fight that Civil War or clarify
:52:17. > :52:21.the outcome. Would you vote against the dish military... -- Berchiche
:52:22. > :52:39.military. At a flop At the moment, I can't see how UK
:52:40. > :52:45.bombing any side debate several -- any side of a civil war in Syria. We
:52:46. > :52:50.can hear what Jeremy Corbyn had to say. He is echoing those sentiments.
:52:51. > :52:56.The idea has to be, surely, a political settlement in Syria.
:52:57. > :53:02.There are some signs that the talks over the weekend made some progress.
:53:03. > :53:04.Iraq, Russia, USA, European Union around the table together with all
:53:05. > :53:08.the regional governments, particularly Turkey, is key.
:53:09. > :53:15.Who is providing safe havens for Isis?
:53:16. > :53:18.You have to ask questions about the arms that everybody has
:53:19. > :53:21.sold in the region, the role of Saudi Arabia in this.
:53:22. > :53:24.I think there are some very big questions and we have to be careful.
:53:25. > :53:26.One war doesn't necessarily bring about peace,
:53:27. > :53:37.it often can bring more conflict and more mayhem and more loss.
:53:38. > :53:48.That was Jeremy Corbyn. If it came to the Commons, if David Cameron
:53:49. > :53:53.felt there were enough Labour MPs on board to back British military air
:53:54. > :53:59.strikes, should Jeremy Corbyn give his MPs a free vote? I suspect a lot
:54:00. > :54:04.of MPs would vote with their conscience anyway because it is a
:54:05. > :54:10.tough decision. There will have to be negotiations and they can't
:54:11. > :54:16.include any regard for Islamic State, there is no negotiating with
:54:17. > :54:19.them. There has to be some kind of international settlement. The Prime
:54:20. > :54:24.Minister has been talking to President Putin which I suspect will
:54:25. > :54:28.help to clarify the situation but until we have that clarity about
:54:29. > :54:33.where we are going and how to get there, I can't see I would be voting
:54:34. > :54:36.in favour of it. That is work in progress for the Prime Minister.
:54:37. > :54:41.Jeremy Corbyn has not changed his mind. He is making perfectly
:54:42. > :54:45.legitimate points about a political settlement, this is something they
:54:46. > :54:52.are trying to push forward, there is a view in the Labour Party that he
:54:53. > :54:55.would not countenance military action under any circumstances. He
:54:56. > :55:00.has to be careful because if he goes too far to that extreme, he will
:55:01. > :55:03.push some of his front ventures who think there is a case for
:55:04. > :55:08.intervention, more likely to go against him if he appears to be
:55:09. > :55:14.digging himself into that pacifist hole. Let's talk about the measures
:55:15. > :55:19.announced today, the extra spending towards intelligence officers.
:55:20. > :55:25.Despite the fact that we don't have any money, we have found money for
:55:26. > :55:33.this, rightly so? The politics with this is the politics of the long
:55:34. > :55:40.haul, the Arno instant solutions. -- there are no instant solutions. I
:55:41. > :55:45.think the proposals from Theresa May to give intelligence agencies access
:55:46. > :55:52.to Internet records are legitimate. I think George Osborne's spending
:55:53. > :55:56.review comes into this because the policing cuts as originally proposed
:55:57. > :56:03.are not sustainable. Community policing has stopped some terrorists
:56:04. > :56:07.from acting and yet their budget is massively under threat. All of these
:56:08. > :56:12.things come into play. They make a difference. My doubt is whether an
:56:13. > :56:16.immediate vote on military action in Syria is the right response. These
:56:17. > :56:22.other things are and that includes the surveillance thing. What is the
:56:23. > :56:26.point of spending extra money on spies and intelligence services if
:56:27. > :56:30.you are going to cut the police? Let's wait to see what is in the
:56:31. > :56:36.spending review. We know their budget will be cut. On the
:56:37. > :56:41.intelligent agencies, the government has rightly prioritised this. But it
:56:42. > :56:44.has to be in parallel, you had to beef up resources but also make sure
:56:45. > :56:48.they have the tools and that is why it is important we press ahead with
:56:49. > :56:55.the investigatory powers at the same time. Would you support more funding
:56:56. > :56:58.for the police? I would support more funding for every area of public
:56:59. > :57:05.services for the we still have an enormous budget deficit. We have to
:57:06. > :57:09.take difficult decisions but the prioritisation of resources for the
:57:10. > :57:14.intelligent services shows that the Prime Minister will not compromise
:57:15. > :57:18.national security. It is not just the police, we have seen cuts to the
:57:19. > :57:22.immigration services so we are still not sure who is coming in and out of
:57:23. > :57:29.the country. It is a complicated picture. Looking to cut the police
:57:30. > :57:32.in the way it seems proposed frankly would be a dangerous step. And it
:57:33. > :57:41.would not go down well with the public. This is very dangerous
:57:42. > :57:50.politics. We are pulling 600 watts, -- following 600 plots. If the Prime
:57:51. > :57:54.Minister wants to use his political capital on the back of Paris he
:57:55. > :57:57.would be better advised to use it pushing through these surveillance
:57:58. > :58:03.laws and beefing up the nub of people who can track down the
:58:04. > :58:08.perpetrators of these acts. The other argument we might start to see
:58:09. > :58:14.is about armed police. Every single French policeman was armed and they
:58:15. > :58:18.could respond relatively quickly. Could we really respond that quickly
:58:19. > :58:26.on the streets of London? Should we have more armed police on the
:58:27. > :58:29.streets? Again, in the context of budget cuts, it is a tough question
:58:30. > :58:34.to ask. The training has to be right, they have do have regular
:58:35. > :58:39.access to continuing training, it is a major step to make it if it
:58:40. > :58:44.reassures the public, it is something that can be looked at.
:58:45. > :58:46.Improving intelligence might be a better way forward.
:58:47. > :58:50.The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.
:58:51. > :58:52.I'll be here at noon tomorrow with all the big
:58:53. > :59:05.He's in an exotic land. In the far reaches of northern Europe.
:59:06. > :59:09.A place of unbelievable history, myth and legend.