:00:39. > :00:43.Hello, and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:44. > :00:47.David Cameron claims he's made real progress in his negotiations for EU
:00:48. > :00:50.reform, as a draft deal is published.
:00:51. > :00:52.But the Prime Minister hasn't achieved his manifesto pledge
:00:53. > :01:00.to stop EU migrants claiming child benefit for children living abroad.
:01:01. > :01:02.The draft deal comes after detailed negotiations with the President
:01:03. > :01:05.of the European Council, Donald Tusk, but the PM still needs
:01:06. > :01:11.to win the support of all 27 other EU countries.
:01:12. > :01:17.Scottish Labour pledge to raise income tax north of the border
:01:18. > :01:20.by one penny in the pound, ahead of elections to
:01:21. > :01:25.We'll hear from Labour's Iain Gray and the SNP.
:01:26. > :01:28.And, across the Atlantic, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump
:01:29. > :01:31.suffer setbacks in their campaigns to win the White House,
:01:32. > :01:36.as both frontrunners under-perform in Iowa.
:01:37. > :01:41.As I stand here tonight, breathing a big sigh of relief -
:01:42. > :01:55.of the programme today is the writer, broadcaster,
:01:56. > :01:56.publisher and former Conservative Party candidate,
:01:57. > :02:05.So, it's a big day for David Cameron as the details of a draft EU reform
:02:06. > :02:10.We'll get into the detail of that in a moment.
:02:11. > :02:13.But, first, Iain, you present a radio phone-in programme.
:02:14. > :02:16.How much attention to all this do you think the public is paying
:02:17. > :02:32.There is an interest, I did a phone in on this last night and, in the
:02:33. > :02:36.past, phone on Europe do not gain hundreds of calls. Last night, there
:02:37. > :02:41.was an appetite for this. The public mood is different from
:02:42. > :02:47.Westminster where the consensus seems to be the leave campaigns seem
:02:48. > :02:51.to be in chaos. It is the Britain stronger in Europe people who are
:02:52. > :02:55.making waves. I do not think that is reflected in
:02:56. > :03:01.the electorate. Most people look at David Cameron's
:03:02. > :03:06.so-called renegotiation and wonder. If he can't achieve this with these
:03:07. > :03:12.small demands, what can he achieved? The child benefit thing most people
:03:13. > :03:16.think, how can it be right to send money out of this country to people
:03:17. > :03:19.live abroad? That was a key pledge in the
:03:20. > :03:26.manifesto. When you say the voting electorate
:03:27. > :03:34.don't reflect the way we are reporting it, is that because they
:03:35. > :03:38.are undecided, or are they family in the leave campaign?
:03:39. > :03:44.A lot of people are undecided, I am. I regard myself as a Euro septic,
:03:45. > :03:49.but I haven't made that decision yet. Neither of the campaigns have
:03:50. > :03:52.made their cases, there is a long way to go.
:03:53. > :03:57.The challenge for the people who say we should leave is to say, what kind
:03:58. > :04:00.of Britain but we have if we did leave? We are getting scare stories
:04:01. > :04:05.from both campaigns about terrible things.
:04:06. > :04:10.Will you be persuaded by the end of this programme after the detail?
:04:11. > :04:11.Is this a challenge you are up to? We can try.
:04:12. > :04:21.Correct, Tim Farron, he has been asked in an interview how
:04:22. > :04:25.So, our question for today is, what did he say?
:04:26. > :04:28.Was it as the man who saved the Liberal Democrats?
:04:29. > :04:29.The first Liberal Prime Minister in over 100 years?
:04:30. > :04:40.At the end of the show, Iain will give us the correct answer.
:04:41. > :04:45.In the last half-an-hour, the detail of a draft deal on EU
:04:46. > :04:48.reform has been published by the President of the European
:04:49. > :04:52.David Cameron says it shows he's made real progress on his list
:04:53. > :04:54.of demands, but that some of the detail still needs
:04:55. > :04:57.It's been a long, hard trek for the Prime Minister
:04:58. > :05:07.The first milestone of David Cameron's renegotiation
:05:08. > :05:10.tour, after leaving base camp, was to secure for the UK an opt-out
:05:11. > :05:16.With Eurozone economies across the continent having been
:05:17. > :05:18.buffeted by cold winds in the past few years, the Prime Minister
:05:19. > :05:21.was also keen to ensure protection in the single market
:05:22. > :05:30.The toughest section of the PM's expedition has been his attempt
:05:31. > :05:37.to restrict in-work benefits for EU migrants for four years.
:05:38. > :05:41.Last week, it emerged that one way across that rocky terrain would be
:05:42. > :05:44.for the UK to apply a so-called emergency brake, where the UK
:05:45. > :05:47.would be allowed to restrict migrant benefits if it could prove public
:05:48. > :05:52.services were under excessive strain.
:05:53. > :06:02.But, even then, other EU countries would have to agree,
:06:03. > :06:05.Today, the end is in sight for David Cameron's tour.
:06:06. > :06:10.He's touting a potential new red card system as the answer
:06:11. > :06:18.New EU laws could be vetoed if 55% of national parliaments vote to do
:06:19. > :06:26.so, with each of the 28 EU countries having two votes.
:06:27. > :06:30.And, regardless of the merits of the proposals today,
:06:31. > :06:32.Donald Tusk's draft agreement must be agreed by other EU heads
:06:33. > :06:36.of government at the meeting of the European Council this month.
:06:37. > :06:38.Until then, it'll be up to the so-called sherpas in Brussels
:06:39. > :06:41.and Whitehall to smooth the path to the summit.
:06:42. > :06:44.Here's what the Prime Minister had to say earlier today about the deal
:06:45. > :07:29.On so many things, I was told these things would be impossible.
:07:30. > :07:38.legislation, people said you wouldn't get that,
:07:39. > :07:40.before getting in-work benefits in Britain, it's
:07:41. > :07:45.of the concept of ever-closer union, again, pretty clearly set out
:07:46. > :07:52.So, real progress, more work to be done, more detail to be nailed down,
:07:53. > :07:55.but we said we needed to deliver in four key areas and this document
:07:56. > :08:02.We can talk now to our deputy political editor James Landale,
:08:03. > :08:11.who has been speed-reading the draft deal.
:08:12. > :08:19.Can you give us an idea of how this document compared with the demands
:08:20. > :08:24.David Cameron originally made? He has a chunk of what he asked for
:08:25. > :08:30.but not everything. In terms of the headline, the areas where he has
:08:31. > :08:32.made more progress on issues of sovereignty, governance
:08:33. > :08:34.made more progress on issues of opposition. Way he has not made
:08:35. > :08:39.enough progress is over the opposition. Way he has not made
:08:40. > :08:42.curbing migration. He has his immensely break but it is not clear
:08:43. > :08:51.when and how that will be pulled. immensely break but it is not clear
:08:52. > :08:55.There is also a question of graduation, a word we will be
:08:56. > :09:00.talking about today. This document says, yes, if this is agreed, EU
:09:01. > :09:07.migrants with have benefits restricted further four years, but
:09:08. > :09:12.it could be restored during that period, as EU workers contribute to
:09:13. > :09:15.the system and can claim benefit. One area where there is more work to
:09:16. > :09:21.be done. On the red card system?
:09:22. > :09:27.It is there, a development of the existing procedure. It will allow,
:09:28. > :09:32.if 55% of national pundits agreed to block a new proposal, only new
:09:33. > :09:36.proposals, it can't review of proposals.
:09:37. > :09:43.It had to deal with subsidiarity and proportionality. It had to deal
:09:44. > :09:45.with, is this something Brussels should do all the national
:09:46. > :09:52.parliaments? Broadly, do you think it is enough
:09:53. > :09:55.to satisfy those who are already supporting the Prime Minister, but
:09:56. > :10:00.those who are not decided? People who do not want the UK to
:10:01. > :10:06.stay in the EU clearly say it is not enough. Others will say, is this the
:10:07. > :10:12.earth shattering fundamental reform the Prime Minister promised?
:10:13. > :10:18.That is harder to argue. I think the Government and Prime Minister will
:10:19. > :10:23.say this is enough to allow them, if agreed, we have another fortnight,
:10:24. > :10:26.they will think this document is enough for the Prime Minister to say
:10:27. > :10:28.to the country we should stay in. Thank you.
:10:29. > :10:31.We've been joined by the former Conservative minister Nick Herbert
:10:32. > :10:34.who is leading the pro-EU campaign Conservatives For Reform.
:10:35. > :10:36.And by the Conservative MP Steve Baker who runs
:10:37. > :10:38.Conservatives For Britain, and is campaigning for Britain
:10:39. > :10:51.Welcome to you. Nick Herbert, let us look at child benefit. The manifesto
:10:52. > :10:55.said if an EU migrant child is living abroad, they should receive
:10:56. > :10:59.no child benefit or child tax credits, no matter how long they
:11:00. > :11:04.have worked in the UK tax they paid. David Cameron has achieved, has
:11:05. > :11:09.failed to achieve that? It is a different means of the same
:11:10. > :11:13.outcome and the effect will be there will be sadness because child
:11:14. > :11:20.benefit will not be paid in anything like the same rate to people who
:11:21. > :11:23.have come in who are EU migrants. It won't have the perverse effect of
:11:24. > :11:29.encouraging people to bring in their children. So I think it is a
:11:30. > :11:32.sensible outcome. It restores fairness to the system.
:11:33. > :11:38.That is not the same as saying they will receive no child benefit or
:11:39. > :11:42.child tax credit. It will be reduced and index linked.
:11:43. > :11:46.It is not the same but the practical effect will be the same. It will
:11:47. > :11:52.restore fairness. Explain how it will be the same, if
:11:53. > :11:57.the manifesto said people will not receive any child benefit in their
:11:58. > :12:01.country of origin, they will still receive money at a reduced rate.
:12:02. > :12:05.Because the level of pay will not be at the same rate and it. People
:12:06. > :12:08.bringing children of which is otherwise how they might have
:12:09. > :12:15.responded. It does restore fairness people want to see.
:12:16. > :12:18.The emergency brake, in terms of benefit comic in work benefits for
:12:19. > :12:24.EU migrants. Do we know how long it will be in place for?
:12:25. > :12:31.This is subject to renegotiation. There is further negotiation to do.
:12:32. > :12:35.Things seem to be moving the Prime Minister's way. He has been clear he
:12:36. > :12:41.wants to ensure this is a practical and effective measure and has
:12:42. > :12:44.secured an understanding, and I think this will be absolutely clear
:12:45. > :12:49.that the emergency brake would be pulled immediately. That is what I
:12:50. > :12:53.think the country wants to know. They want immediate action to deal
:12:54. > :12:58.with the levels of net migration we have.
:12:59. > :13:01.How will net migration go down under emergency brake?
:13:02. > :13:06.We know there is a significant draw factor from the payment of in work
:13:07. > :13:10.benefits. What percentage of EU migrants are drawn to Britain purely
:13:11. > :13:15.for in work benefits? I don't think we have done, I don't
:13:16. > :13:18.think that can commission has been done.
:13:19. > :13:23.The draw factor is considerable because, says would tell you if you
:13:24. > :13:30.are topping up people's net salary by 50% by paying in work benefits, a
:13:31. > :13:37.payment of ?6,000 a year or more, that is an unnatural draw for people
:13:38. > :13:41.to come. This is a sensible approach, and introduces fairness.
:13:42. > :13:45.It is very popular, the public want this because they don't think it is
:13:46. > :13:49.right when we have a system which requires, does not require you to
:13:50. > :13:52.pay first, people are coming from countries where you do have to pay
:13:53. > :13:57.in first. This levels the playing field. You
:13:58. > :14:02.don't know by how much it would bring down the net migration which
:14:03. > :14:07.stands at 330,000 a year. It does not restrict the freedom of movement
:14:08. > :14:12.of people within the EU. No, the promised says we subscribe
:14:13. > :14:16.to the printable of freedom of movement. But we have border
:14:17. > :14:21.control. We prevent EU nationals coming into this country if they
:14:22. > :14:25.pose a risk. Part of the renegotiation is to tighten up those
:14:26. > :14:29.proposals. It was not true we don't have borders. People have the right
:14:30. > :14:35.to come to work but not the right to come and claim. That will address
:14:36. > :14:39.the problem of very high levels of people being drawn artificially.
:14:40. > :14:48.This is a good proposal and addresses those concerns.
:14:49. > :14:51.Steve Baker, this is progress. It is better than what exists in the mind
:14:52. > :14:53.of the Prime Minister, you have to accept that?
:14:54. > :14:57.Progress of a kind but falls short of what people want. It is a bad
:14:58. > :15:03.joke. Which people? Conservative MPs I
:15:04. > :15:08.talk to and in our constituencies. Within the political class, people
:15:09. > :15:11.no immigration is a top issue. The Office for Budget Responsibility
:15:12. > :15:14.told us on the Treasury committee the proposal to have an emergency
:15:15. > :15:20.brake on benefits would not make much difference. The break comes in
:15:21. > :15:23.after there is a provable problem and only with permission of other
:15:24. > :15:28.people. This clarifies the choice. If people want to take back control
:15:29. > :15:33.to our Parliament so our Prime Minister can decide how to operate
:15:34. > :15:37.our benefits and who can live in our country, the anything they can do is
:15:38. > :15:43.to take control and govern our country.
:15:44. > :15:56.And that's true, isn't it? No, it is an entirely false prospectus. Free
:15:57. > :16:01.movement is a condition of access to the single market. It is false but
:16:02. > :16:05.leaving would immediately enabled this problem to be dealt with,
:16:06. > :16:12.that's why the Prime Minister's approach is more pragmatic. On the
:16:13. > :16:16.Office for Budget Responsibility, it was a response from a member of the
:16:17. > :16:21.Office for Budget Responsibility who said he didn't know, the work hadn't
:16:22. > :16:27.been done. He didn't say it was the formal position that this wouldn't
:16:28. > :16:31.address net migration, common tells us will. What would you say about
:16:32. > :16:34.that because you have been rubbishing everything the Prime
:16:35. > :16:41.Minister has tried to do since the negotiations started? I said we
:16:42. > :16:45.wanted to end the automatic supremacy of EU laws. The Foreign
:16:46. > :16:48.Secretary went on the Andrew Marr Show and said the Government would
:16:49. > :16:56.not be asking for it, it was tantamount to exit. From then the
:16:57. > :17:00.die was cast. We want the public to have a high quality debate, which
:17:01. > :17:06.you are giving, but the reality is clear that the Prime Minister is
:17:07. > :17:10.negotiating to keep us in the EU and that means policy operated on the
:17:11. > :17:16.basis of EU citizenship. That means this mess rather than the clarity of
:17:17. > :17:22.our Parliament deciding. Do you think the document is worth the
:17:23. > :17:25.paper it is written on? I don't want to insult the document, we need to
:17:26. > :17:30.look at it and decide what we think of it but personally I think there
:17:31. > :17:35.will be nothing in it that withstands serious scrutiny. We have
:17:36. > :17:39.talked about child benefit and curbs on migration, let's talk about the
:17:40. > :17:42.red card system. What's the difference between the red card
:17:43. > :17:49.system being proposed in this document and the current yellow and
:17:50. > :17:53.orange card system that exists? The red card system is binding. It means
:17:54. > :17:57.the national parliaments, if they clubbed together and disagree with
:17:58. > :18:03.the proposal from the council, can stop it in its tracks and that's a
:18:04. > :18:14.very important... The Council or the commission? The parliament can
:18:15. > :18:20.stop... That is before the council has even considered it. One of the
:18:21. > :18:25.criticisms Stephen and I would have made of the EU is there is not
:18:26. > :18:29.enough democracy in it. Why this proposal is so important is that it
:18:30. > :18:35.allows national parliaments to block measures, it restores an important
:18:36. > :18:39.say and power to national parliaments, yes, when they clubbed
:18:40. > :18:45.together but it does give them that power. They already had that power
:18:46. > :18:50.of course under the yellow and orange card system for national
:18:51. > :18:54.parliaments to club together and tried to block. How many times has
:18:55. > :19:00.it been used in the past five or six years? Not enough. That's because it
:19:01. > :19:02.doesn't have the actual effect of stopping the proposal. We would
:19:03. > :19:09.agree about that. It needs to stopping the proposal. We would
:19:10. > :19:11.measure that has bite, that can stop things in their
:19:12. > :19:17.measure that has bite, that can stop it is a red card, not a
:19:18. > :19:17.measure that has bite, that can stop orange card, that's why this is a
:19:18. > :19:21.significant development. orange card, that's why this is a
:19:22. > :19:28.time we have heard criticism that we don't have
:19:29. > :19:44.time we have heard criticism that we welcome this. Is
:19:45. > :19:48.time we have heard criticism that we is that this is a useless system. If
:19:49. > :19:51.the regulation is that this is a useless system. If
:19:52. > :19:57.which is universally opposed by is that this is a useless system. If
:19:58. > :20:01.lawyers and the Government, in such circumstances presumably we would
:20:02. > :20:09.try to trigger the system. What are the chances that the rest of Europe
:20:10. > :20:14.would join us in stopping it, unless we can veto rules which are
:20:15. > :20:19.inappropriate and against our strategic interests, we are not in
:20:20. > :20:22.the right place. What are the chances of getting 50% of national
:20:23. > :20:26.parliaments to sign up to a common proposal to block what the
:20:27. > :20:31.commission is doing? Much greater when they know they can block
:20:32. > :20:36.something. It is a new system but it... History says it has
:20:37. > :20:40.something. It is a new system but used twice before, that is because
:20:41. > :20:46.it is so difficult to achieve, to get that many countries on board.
:20:47. > :20:50.But you would be incentivised when you know it has the real effect.
:20:51. > :20:55.This was one of the key negotiating aims and I think the Prime Minister
:20:56. > :21:01.was right to say it is a potential achievement. We have a veto in lots
:21:02. > :21:11.of key areas, not all decisions are taken by qualified voting, and the
:21:12. > :21:15.decisions can be blocked by the country's leaders. The reason this
:21:16. > :21:19.is a reform is that it will not just be the country's leaders who can
:21:20. > :21:25.block things, it is their parliaments. Why do you think Boris
:21:26. > :21:31.Johnson doesn't like it? He said it is trivial, it means nothing, this
:21:32. > :21:41.red card system. I wonder if he said about this proposal. Yes, he said it
:21:42. > :21:45.about this proposal. I doubt that. My view on the red card thing, it is
:21:46. > :21:55.not going to be enough, we need something more. We have got enough
:21:56. > :22:01.and -- if you look at the overall picture. There is the binding
:22:02. > :22:08.commitment that Britain will not be part of an ever closer union. There
:22:09. > :22:12.are these other measures and the totality of it is that we are not
:22:13. > :22:18.just been further integration, we are putting it into reverse. What is
:22:19. > :22:23.your impression, having heard this discussion now? You were undecided,
:22:24. > :22:30.are you still undecided? I think a little bit of progress has been made
:22:31. > :22:35.on his terms but frankly the whole thing is a joke. The terms they use,
:22:36. > :22:43.the red card system, the break and the rest of it, what will that mean
:22:44. > :22:47.to people down the pub? Absolutely nothing. They want the British
:22:48. > :22:50.Parliament to have influence on this and at the moment the British
:22:51. > :22:56.Parliament has very little influence. We cannot stop things.
:22:57. > :23:02.The child benefit thing, I'm afraid will go down like a cup of cold sick
:23:03. > :23:08.with people. One of the criticisms is that your side is not actually
:23:09. > :23:13.presenting a comprehensive opposition to stay in the EU
:23:14. > :23:17.campaign. You are split, there is no big personality leading your side,
:23:18. > :23:23.they are running rings around you. I don't accept that for one moment.
:23:24. > :23:29.You don't have a leader and you are split! We have secured the
:23:30. > :23:35.objectives we set for ourselves. It would be lovely to have a figure of
:23:36. > :23:41.enormous stature... Like Boris Johnson or Theresa May. The reality
:23:42. > :23:49.is that the enthusiasm and energy is on our side of the argument. The
:23:50. > :23:54.problem for your side of the argument is that it has always been
:23:55. > :23:59.this way. The Eurosceptic movement, to coin a phrase, has always been
:24:00. > :24:03.fractured. People look at you and think if you cannot agree with each
:24:04. > :24:11.other on the way to go, how can we trust you in the argument you make?
:24:12. > :24:16.You will know that all insurgencies have this problem, ever since the
:24:17. > :24:21.Judaean people's front until today! What I will say to everybody who
:24:22. > :24:26.wants to leave, please concentrate on the strategic goal, make your
:24:27. > :24:31.case with decency, but don't blame each other and have a go at each
:24:32. > :24:38.other's character. The energy and enthusiasm is on our side, the other
:24:39. > :24:49.case is about fear. Thank you for clarifying. From the people's front
:24:50. > :24:53.of Judaea, and the Judaea and people's front, thank you very much.
:24:54. > :24:56.Over the past few months, David Cameron has been at pains
:24:57. > :24:59.to demonstrate he's been fighting hard for a good deal on EU reform.
:25:00. > :25:02.But leave campaigners are sceptical about the way the PM's negotiations
:25:03. > :25:04.have been presented, suggesting that there was always
:25:05. > :25:06.going to be a tough final push for a last-minute deal.
:25:07. > :25:14.Here's a reminder of how the negotiations have played out.
:25:15. > :25:17.Today marks a significant milestone, really,in the process of saying
:25:18. > :25:19.it is right for Britain to have this renegotiation,
:25:20. > :25:25.The fundamental values of the European Union
:25:26. > :25:35.I don't want the British to leave, and I don't
:25:36. > :25:40.They have their points, we have our points.
:25:41. > :25:42.As reasonable people, we will find a way out
:25:43. > :25:49.of the complicated situation we are in.
:25:50. > :25:53.I am open to listening to alternative solutions.
:25:54. > :25:56.As we have agreed at the Council, we should be looking for solutions,
:25:57. > :26:02.The prize is closer than it was, and I will work round-the-clock
:26:03. > :26:10.I can hold my referendum at any time, up until the end of 2017.
:26:11. > :26:14.If there is goodwill and hard work, we will be able to achieve
:26:15. > :26:17.There is now a proposal on the table.
:26:18. > :26:30.We've been joined by the chief political commentator
:26:31. > :26:36.at the Independent on Sunday, John Rentoul.
:26:37. > :26:46.Welcome back to the Daily Politics. Can David Cameron sell this document
:26:47. > :26:50.on EU renegotiation as a diplomatic victory? That's the question because
:26:51. > :26:54.what I'm most impressed by in the opinion polls is the finding that
:26:55. > :26:59.suggests that if the Prime Minister recommends a deal, it is all over.
:27:00. > :27:07.The referendum is easily won because by a margin of 3-1, people will be
:27:08. > :27:10.guided by what he says. If the Prime Minister can convincingly say this
:27:11. > :27:15.is a substantial improvement, a big deal and I recommend it to the
:27:16. > :27:19.country, I think that is game over. Do you think all of the dramatic
:27:20. > :27:23.build-up, starting with David Cameron saying how hard they are all
:27:24. > :27:31.working, they would be working hard to achieve a negotiation, from
:27:32. > :27:36.Donald Tusk saying no deal on Sunday to then a couple of days later
:27:37. > :27:42.saying this is a deal, and others saying it has been manufactured. I'm
:27:43. > :27:54.a cynic, I think the deal was always available, from whence David Cameron
:27:55. > :27:59.gave his speech in November. I think when he set it out, he knew he could
:28:00. > :28:04.achieve it and he's on the verge of doing so. I think you will be able
:28:05. > :28:10.to claim that as a triumph. In a way he has achieved that, he has driven
:28:11. > :28:14.this reform. There may be other EU national parliaments who wanted some
:28:15. > :28:24.reforms on benefits to EU migrants but he has pushed it to the top of
:28:25. > :28:29.the agenda. He has four agendas, three of which are motherhood and
:28:30. > :28:34.apple pie. He knew he was going to get three of the four, he set up the
:28:35. > :28:39.fourth is a bit of an aunt Sally so that he could look tough and in the
:28:40. > :28:45.end he probably won't get or wanted. This is not renegotiating Britain's
:28:46. > :28:51.terms of membership, it is looking at four meaningless aspects of it.
:28:52. > :28:54.I'm not sure I agree with what John says about these polls that if the
:28:55. > :28:59.Prime Minister recommends staying in, that will be a big win for the
:29:00. > :29:04.stay campaign because there is such an anti-Westminster feeling in the
:29:05. > :29:09.country at the moment that a lot of people will say if he recommends it,
:29:10. > :29:18.I'm not voting for it. Not just Labour voters, people who are
:29:19. > :29:22.natural Conservatives. If you look at the answers people give to
:29:23. > :29:29.pollsters, they say that if the Prime Minister recommends it they
:29:30. > :29:36.will vote for it. Pollsters have not always been right in this country.
:29:37. > :29:42.In recent times! Do you have an alternative way of gauging it? My
:29:43. > :29:49.radio show! I will stick with the opinion polls. How important is
:29:50. > :29:53.choreography in this, because so much language has been used to
:29:54. > :29:57.dramatic effect in this, which I haven't seen for quite a long time,
:29:58. > :30:01.and doesn't have an impact in terms of not just the public but also how
:30:02. > :30:06.it is received by the press and Westminster bubble, and to some
:30:07. > :30:12.extent are responsible for putting the message out?
:30:13. > :30:19.The idea it will be a two shirt summit, working until 3am because it
:30:20. > :30:24.is difficult. Actually, that does reflect the fact
:30:25. > :30:27.what David Cameron is doing is quite difficult.
:30:28. > :30:31.I am cynical that he thought he could achieve it all along.
:30:32. > :30:37.It is not easy. There is a knot of opposition.
:30:38. > :30:42.The European Union is basically on reform of all, 28 countries to agree
:30:43. > :30:45.on anything substantial. They might agree to the sort of thing he is
:30:46. > :30:48.talking about but it is not substantial and people will see
:30:49. > :30:53.through it. Will they feel there has been
:30:54. > :30:57.progress particularly on the issue of in work benefits, symbolically,
:30:58. > :31:03.it will sound powerful. It is not fundamental to the
:31:04. > :31:07.European Union. What you would like to
:31:08. > :31:09.area. Funny laugh, it used to be that.
:31:10. > :31:16.That Funny laugh, it used to be that.
:31:17. > :31:16.-- funnily enough. But what David Cameron has
:31:17. > :31:23.-- funnily enough. But what David insignificant. Ever closer union...
:31:24. > :31:31.I do not think it is the benefit side
:31:32. > :31:32.I do not think it is the benefit Europeans stopped coming in from
:31:33. > :31:39.this country, Europeans stopped coming in from
:31:40. > :31:44.Your favourite phrase from the last few weeks of this renegotiation?
:31:45. > :31:49.Your favourite phrase from the last brake, public services under strain.
:31:50. > :31:53.Your favourite phrase from the last Red card, orange card, I had never
:31:54. > :31:59.heard of an orange card. All this football analogy!
:32:00. > :32:02.heard of an orange card. I like the way the emergency brake
:32:03. > :32:08.used to apply to one thing and now applies to something else. It used
:32:09. > :32:12.to mean we would stop anyone coming into the country. Now, it means we
:32:13. > :32:16.discourage them. Language has changed since the days
:32:17. > :32:21.of Geoffrey Howe where we would be getting on the train but did not
:32:22. > :32:27.know the destination. Is that progress?
:32:28. > :32:31.The EU is like a bicycle, if you stop pedalling, it falls over. We
:32:32. > :32:39.will hear a lot more. Do you think it will be June 23? I
:32:40. > :32:43.do. There is a strong momentum. If it runs into September or later,
:32:44. > :32:46.there is a risk. In recent years, political parties
:32:47. > :32:49.have shied away from pledging to increase taxes for
:32:50. > :32:50.fear of losing votes. But today the Labour Party
:32:51. > :32:53.in Scotland has broken with convention, and promised
:32:54. > :32:55.to increase income tax in Scotland Here's the leader of
:32:56. > :32:58.Scottish Labour, Kezia Dugdale, announcing the election
:32:59. > :33:09.pledge this morning. Tomorrow, the Scottish fund will
:33:10. > :33:12.vote on John Swinney's budget which contains hundreds of millions of
:33:13. > :33:20.pounds of cuts to schools, public service. What I am saying is there
:33:21. > :33:26.is a different path, we can choose to end Tory austerity. I propose to
:33:27. > :33:34.increase the base of income tax so we do not have to accept these cuts
:33:35. > :33:44.in Scotland. Iain Gray joins me now. These rate
:33:45. > :33:49.would be higher than anywhere else in the UK, what is your message?
:33:50. > :33:54.We are faced between swingeing cuts to schools and services, the choice
:33:55. > :33:56.we are making is to use our powers to stop those cuts and invest in
:33:57. > :34:02.schools. In a real sense, this is the
:34:03. > :34:07.Scottish parliament coming of age, the Scottish rate of income tax is a
:34:08. > :34:12.power we have, the SNP tell us they are opposed to cuts but they are
:34:13. > :34:18.passing them on. It is not an election pledge because we will move
:34:19. > :34:22.this for the budget which is before the Scottish parliament. This is
:34:23. > :34:27.about the Scottish parliament saying our choices, cuts to schools, or
:34:28. > :34:33.using the powers we have two stop those cuts in a way which is fair
:34:34. > :34:37.and progressive because the policy includes a rebate for low-wage
:34:38. > :34:43.workers and pensioners, and our choice is to stop those cuts.
:34:44. > :34:48.James Dornan, the accusation is it is swingeing cuts from the SNP and
:34:49. > :34:55.tax rises from Labour. Tats rises for Labour for the basic
:34:56. > :35:01.rate income taxpayer. Swingeing cuts from the SNP. 2.2
:35:02. > :35:06.million basic rate tax payers will be penalised by this dog thought out
:35:07. > :35:11.policy. What Labour would be better off...
:35:12. > :35:15.Pensioners will have a rebate. One in four workers will be no worse
:35:16. > :35:19.off. This rebate which you haven't
:35:20. > :35:27.costed, which I believe the Parliament doesn't have the power to
:35:28. > :35:31.bring forward until it is made law, this is a back of the cigarette
:35:32. > :35:37.packet taxation. Put something together for the debate today. It
:35:38. > :35:42.makes a mockery of the process. Iain Gray, have you permission to do
:35:43. > :35:48.this? A cashback system for taxpayers, a certain number as a
:35:49. > :35:55.result of you putting up income tax by 1p in the pound.
:35:56. > :36:01.The policy is costed, ?50 million for workers, ?25 million for
:36:02. > :36:05.pensioners. It would be paid using powers through local Government,
:36:06. > :36:10.councils, using powers they already have. A string of council leaders
:36:11. > :36:15.have come out to say they see no problem with this. We have been here
:36:16. > :36:19.before. When we argued using the powers of local authorities in
:36:20. > :36:24.Scotland to mitigate the bedroom tats, the SNP said it was
:36:25. > :36:28.impossible. Until the pressure group on them and they had to admit it
:36:29. > :36:34.could be done, and on that occasion they came up with it. I am tired of
:36:35. > :36:39.the SNP telling us what they cannot do to stand up against austerity.
:36:40. > :36:47.They pass the cuts on. We will not be allows basic tax payers, half a
:36:48. > :36:53.million pensioners, for a headline. What will you do, make swingeing
:36:54. > :36:55.cuts to education, to balance the books?
:36:56. > :37:04.Swingeing cuts is an emotive phrase. This is a very difficult budget. It
:37:05. > :37:10.can be done, a budget which has 2% less money than previously. Compare
:37:11. > :37:15.that to down south where there are cuts of up to 64%.
:37:16. > :37:21.What cuts are you making? You said it was an emotive phrase, what level
:37:22. > :37:25.of cuts will you make to services? These services are delivered by
:37:26. > :37:35.local authorities. The cut to the budget is about 2%.
:37:36. > :37:39.Unbelievably better. If the authorities make big cuts,
:37:40. > :37:41.Willie mitigate that by trying to increase income tax which you can
:37:42. > :37:48.do? Does anybody realise the swingeing
:37:49. > :37:54.cuts the Scottish Government is facing from Westminster? The local
:37:55. > :38:01.authorities have been protected much better in Scotland.
:38:02. > :38:08.You don't have to live within a fixed budget. Be honest with our
:38:09. > :38:11.voters and the viewers. You can do something to mitigate that. You do
:38:12. > :38:15.have the powers to do something to raise money but you choose not to
:38:16. > :38:21.which is a credible position but not true that you don't have the power
:38:22. > :38:28.to mitigate. To penalised lower rate tax payers?
:38:29. > :38:34.Isn't it an actual suicide to put up income tax, to say, we are going to
:38:35. > :38:41.hit half a million pensioners with an income tax by it?
:38:42. > :38:48.We are not. As I try to say, with the rebate, one in four workers and
:38:49. > :38:52.pensioners with low incomes will be no worse off, and one in five will
:38:53. > :38:58.actually be better off. Your viewers may be surprised to
:38:59. > :39:02.know, having heard the likes of Nicola Sturgeon last year in the
:39:03. > :39:07.election, that the SNP have imposed cuts on education in Scotland far
:39:08. > :39:13.greater than even the Tories have in England, and it has to stop. We have
:39:14. > :39:22.almost 4000 fewer teachers in our schools. 150,000 fewer students in
:39:23. > :39:26.our college. I don't praise the Tories...
:39:27. > :39:32.Hang on, let him finish. Then he will have a right to reply.
:39:33. > :39:36.Viewers will be surprised to know the SNP have imposed cuts in
:39:37. > :39:41.education greater than even the Tories and it has to stop. This is
:39:42. > :39:45.the way in which we can stop those cuts and have the chance to do that
:39:46. > :39:50.tomorrow. Answer the allegations about those
:39:51. > :39:54.cuts to education that have resulted in far fewer teachers.
:39:55. > :39:57.Is that what you have been doing? It is local authorities who decides the
:39:58. > :40:01.numbers of teachers, money has been made available to them to keep
:40:02. > :40:04.teachers. Some local authorities have been unwilling or unable to do
:40:05. > :40:11.so. We have offered can incentivise them
:40:12. > :40:18.to do so and they haven't. What will you do to stop them?
:40:19. > :40:23.The package to local authorities which some of Iain Gray's colleagues
:40:24. > :40:26.have content bout, has more funding to ensure teacher numbers are
:40:27. > :40:31.staying the same, we are already doing that.
:40:32. > :40:35.This begs the question if the Scottish Labour Party want to do
:40:36. > :40:40.this, what is Jeremy Corbyn going to do? They could use the same
:40:41. > :40:44.arguments in England. The one person who will be laughing is Ruth
:40:45. > :40:49.Davidson, the Scottish Tory leader, they are on the verge of overtaking
:40:50. > :40:53.Labour as the second part in Scotland.
:40:54. > :40:59.Iain Gray, she has said increasing income tax rates would hit every
:41:00. > :41:09.basic rate taxpayer, she agrees with the SNP. Let me just get Iain Gray.
:41:10. > :41:16.I think Mr Dolan will find they don't take the same view as him.
:41:17. > :41:23.There is no surprise. Ruth Davidson is a Tory, trotting out arguments
:41:24. > :41:28.from the 80s that tax cuts are more important than investing in our
:41:29. > :41:32.children and their future, and the economic prosperity of the country.
:41:33. > :41:37.I speak to people doing business in Scotland all the time. The thing
:41:38. > :41:41.they look for more than anything is investment in education and skills
:41:42. > :41:46.so we have the best workforce. We used to have the best system in the
:41:47. > :41:49.world in education, we can have it again.
:41:50. > :41:51.Last month we featured a short film from the journalist
:41:52. > :41:53.Richard Norton Taylor, who argued that Britain gave
:41:54. > :41:54.up its sovereignty claim over Gibraltar.
:41:55. > :41:57.Well, shortly afterwards the chief minister of Gibraltar got in touch
:41:58. > :41:59.with us, wanting to give us his point of view.
:42:00. > :42:22.Gibraltar has long been an important British military asset.
:42:23. > :42:25.During the Second World War, the Allies used
:42:26. > :42:31.Gibraltar, having created an airfield where we are today,
:42:32. > :42:33.to push into North Africa and, in that way,
:42:34. > :42:35.turn the tide against the Nazi forces.
:42:36. > :42:37.Today, Britain continues to have a small military presence
:42:38. > :42:40.in Gibraltar, with its naval base and iconic airfield.
:42:41. > :42:44.Both are ready to be used at zero notice.
:42:45. > :42:46.It places British forces 1,000 miles up theatre
:42:47. > :42:59.And, apart from that investment in the
:43:00. > :43:01.defence of Gibraltar on Britain's forward mounting base on the shores
:43:02. > :43:03.of the Mediterranean, Gibraltar is entirely self-sufficient.
:43:04. > :43:06.In these buildings behind me, modern Gibraltar enjoys
:43:07. > :43:08.an avant-garde online gaming industry and insurance
:43:09. > :43:11.industry that is the envy of the rest of the European Union,
:43:12. > :43:12.the single market of which is essential
:43:13. > :43:26.While Spain struggles with record levels of
:43:27. > :43:28.unemployment, Gibraltar supports a quarter of the permanent jobs
:43:29. > :43:31.recorded in this region of Andalusia.
:43:32. > :43:34.The benefits of a British Gibraltar in Europe are recognised
:43:35. > :43:37.across the world, and so our lawyers and economists are already exploring
:43:38. > :43:40.strategies for Gibraltar to maintain these benefits even in the unlikely
:43:41. > :43:49.event of a British exit from the European Union.
:43:50. > :43:50.Every morning, 10,000 people come across this
:43:51. > :43:52.frontier from Spain, from the neighbouring region,
:43:53. > :43:58.It's almost like people coming into Liverpool Street station
:43:59. > :44:05.to come into the City of London to work there.
:44:06. > :44:07.The people of Gibraltar and the Spanish people
:44:08. > :44:09.of the neighbouring region have always got
:44:10. > :44:13.We do business together, we fall in love, we marry,
:44:14. > :44:17.The confrontation between Gibraltar and
:44:18. > :44:19.Spain comes only as a result of the medieval sovereignty
:44:20. > :44:26.Left alone and to our own devices, we would invest all the time
:44:27. > :44:27.we spend disputing the sovereignty of
:44:28. > :44:36.Gibraltar working together to strengthen the economy
:44:37. > :44:53.Gibraltar is tiny, why shouldn't its sovereignty at least be discussed?
:44:54. > :44:58.We don't call it a colony, would call it an overseas territory. The
:44:59. > :45:02.principal issue is the principle of consent. Why should anything other
:45:03. > :45:06.than the will of the people of Gibraltan be relevant to any
:45:07. > :45:13.decision made about the political future of Gibraltar? The UK goes to
:45:14. > :45:22.war over the right of people to decide. It is extremely unlikely
:45:23. > :45:25.Spain would ever invade writ -ish Gibraltar so aren't these
:45:26. > :45:29.sovereignty squabbles just a distraction when there are far
:45:30. > :45:37.bigger issues to be thinking about? Absolutely. We want to maintain the
:45:38. > :45:43.sovereignty which has been the status quo now for more than 310
:45:44. > :45:49.years. The issue is that Spain continues to raise the sovereignty
:45:50. > :45:57.of Gibraltar. The post-2nd World War borders are considered settled in
:45:58. > :46:02.the whole of Europe. Can't we simply accept this border was drawn 310
:46:03. > :46:07.years ago, accepted after the Second World War and get on with it,
:46:08. > :46:15.spending time bringing prosperity to people on both sides? Are tensions
:46:16. > :46:25.the rise? No, they were about three years ago. Now there is a limbo
:46:26. > :46:32.period and things are a lot calmer. What would an exit from the European
:46:33. > :46:34.Union mean for Gibraltar? There are different permutations, but it would
:46:35. > :46:41.still have access to the single market, in that case it would not be
:46:42. > :46:45.dreadful for Gibraltar. As long as the free movement of people is
:46:46. > :46:48.maintained we could find a way to maintain the prosperity of the
:46:49. > :46:57.region, but Gibraltar is all in favour of the UK remaining in the
:46:58. > :47:07.European Union? All in favour? I represent 68% of the people
:47:08. > :47:16.according to the last poll. We all have a vote, and we will be able to.
:47:17. > :47:24.We have the royal assent for Gibraltar union. Could Gibraltar
:47:25. > :47:28.find a way to stay in the EU if the rest of the UK decided to leave?
:47:29. > :47:31.That would be difficult but Gibraltar could try to maintain some
:47:32. > :47:38.of the bits of the European Union rules that the UK might not like, so
:47:39. > :47:42.there could be a hybrid type of I hesitate to save membership but a
:47:43. > :47:46.hybrid type of status within the single market, but those are issues
:47:47. > :48:02.we should not countenance now. We should continue our efforts been
:48:03. > :48:06.nudging the UK towards a positive vote in the referendum. It doesn't
:48:07. > :48:13.sound like you have been preparing for the possibility of a Brexit.
:48:14. > :48:18.Because understanding parts of the economy that might need to be
:48:19. > :48:28.repositioned is not something you can do at this stage. Hardly a
:48:29. > :48:32.surprise really, listening to Fabian in terms of how he says people would
:48:33. > :48:39.vote in Gibraltar on the EU referendum. No, and in the end this
:48:40. > :48:42.is all about self-determination. If you believe in self-determination
:48:43. > :48:51.and you will not question the status of Gibraltar, but there is a patchy
:48:52. > :48:59.reputation. Are you worried the Labour Party's position on Gibraltar
:49:00. > :49:02.might change in the near future? The position on Gibraltar is very clear,
:49:03. > :49:07.it was actually the Labour Party who said they wouldn't just not
:49:08. > :49:11.negotiate the future of Gibraltar without the consensus of the people
:49:12. > :49:25.of Gibraltar, they wouldn't even enter into negotiations. Tony Blair
:49:26. > :49:30.did take action in 2007... After we gave him a bloody nose, nothing has
:49:31. > :49:33.happened since then. They have talked about the Falkland Islands in
:49:34. > :49:38.a way that I don't think is appropriate, but I'm meeting the
:49:39. > :49:45.shadow Minister for Europe tomorrow and I'm sure... Who is that this
:49:46. > :49:53.week? To discuss this or you want reassurance? To reassure us the
:49:54. > :49:58.Labour Party status is as has been, and I'm confident that is the case.
:49:59. > :50:03.Thank you. In the last few minutes,
:50:04. > :50:06.David Cameron has been talking about the draft deal on EU reform
:50:07. > :50:09.he's agreed with the president of the European Council,
:50:10. > :50:15.Donald Tusk. Ted Cruz came out on top
:50:16. > :50:17.of the Republican presidential hopeful pack last night in Iowa,
:50:18. > :50:20.pushing favourite Donald Trump In the first primary of this year's
:50:21. > :50:23.presidential election, the Democratic contest
:50:24. > :50:24.also produced surprises, as frontrunner Hillary Clinton beat
:50:25. > :50:26.Vermont senator Bernie Sanders Here's what the candidates
:50:27. > :50:30.had to say last night. Tonight is a victory
:50:31. > :50:34.for the grassroots. "Do not go to Iowa, you could never
:50:35. > :50:40.finish even in the top ten." And I said, but I have friends
:50:41. > :50:44.in Iowa, I know a lot of people in Iowa, I think they will really
:50:45. > :50:47.like me, let's give it a shot. I'm just honoured,
:50:48. > :50:55.I'm really honoured. Tonight, here in Iowa,
:50:56. > :50:57.the people of this great state sends After seven years of Barack Obama,
:50:58. > :51:01.we are not waiting any longer And that is why what Iowa
:51:02. > :51:13.has begun tonight is As I stand here tonight,
:51:14. > :51:33.breathing a great sigh of relief, And we've been joined
:51:34. > :51:36.by Kate Andrews And Robert Carolina,
:51:37. > :51:46.from Democrats Abroad. An exciting night? Very exciting
:51:47. > :51:53.night. Donald Trump, who has been spoken about as the front runner,
:51:54. > :52:02.had a terrible night. Not only did Ted Cruz take the victory but
:52:03. > :52:10.Senator Rubio was one percentage point away from beating him. Did you
:52:11. > :52:13.expect Ted Cruz to pick Donald Trump? Personally yesterday I
:52:14. > :52:17.thought Ted Cruz was just going to take it but I was deeply worried. I
:52:18. > :52:21.was a little bit panicked and I thought Donald Trump could take this
:52:22. > :52:28.because the nation is known for choosing a very socially
:52:29. > :52:32.Conservative candidate, someone a bit more radical, which is precisely
:52:33. > :52:41.what they have done, but Ted Cruz as an alternative candidate. Is Donald
:52:42. > :52:45.Trump's lost a sign that media attention doesn't necessarily
:52:46. > :52:51.translate into success? It is hard to say whether the media is
:52:52. > :52:58.responsible or not for who won last night but... You disagree? Donald
:52:59. > :53:02.Trump has opened up a third lane of politics, he has split out from the
:53:03. > :53:05.establishment crowd and the social Conservative crowd and opened up
:53:06. > :53:10.this third branch of people who are literally afraid for their lives
:53:11. > :53:15.because they are worried about their jobs and securing their future. From
:53:16. > :53:22.where I sit, I'm looking at three candidates, none of whom won this
:53:23. > :53:26.particular caucus. In terms of delegates they have picked up from
:53:27. > :53:31.the Republican convention, it is eight, seven, and seven as they
:53:32. > :53:37.leave Iowa. Is that different from the Democrat result? Yes, in a
:53:38. > :53:43.number of ways. In terms of Secretary Clinton and Bernie
:53:44. > :53:48.Sanders, statistically this is as close to tie as you can possibly
:53:49. > :53:53.get, and they come out pretty evenly. With the Democrat delegate
:53:54. > :53:59.selection process, we never operate a winner takes all system in the
:54:00. > :54:08.various caucuses and primaries. The Republicans often do, not in Iowa
:54:09. > :54:13.but in other states. The Republicans will arrive in Cleveland and still
:54:14. > :54:17.don't know who their candidate is. This is extremely worrying for
:54:18. > :54:24.Hillary Clinton, isn't it? She has lost pretty much all the games you
:54:25. > :54:28.have built up. Over in the Democratic party, we are proud of
:54:29. > :54:35.both of our candidates who remain in the primary process. That is very
:54:36. > :54:40.fair view! Both of them are in very strong positions, no matter which
:54:41. > :54:44.emerges as the front runner. I am going to be more generous to Hillary
:54:45. > :54:56.Clinton, I thought she did very well last night. 43% of the Iowans
:54:57. > :54:59.self-identity a socialist, but she last night. 43% of the Iowans
:55:00. > :55:01.narrowly held her ground. It is last night. 43% of the Iowans
:55:02. > :55:05.it means for the next election. last night. 43% of the Iowans
:55:06. > :55:09.is it about a country of 300 million people and the best you can
:55:10. > :55:13.is it about a country of 300 million with the three Republicans we have
:55:14. > :55:16.got the and two Democrats we have I really follow American presidential
:55:17. > :55:22.politics, really follow American presidential
:55:23. > :55:28.group of candidate in the last 30 or 40 years. I'm shocked you say that.
:55:29. > :55:32.group of candidate in the last 30 or The Republicans have put up such a
:55:33. > :55:43.wide variety of candidates. Too wide, one might argue. Perhaps, but
:55:44. > :55:48.Senator Marco Rubio has almost the same back story as President Barack
:55:49. > :55:52.Obama. He hasn't been doing very well until now, that's the point.
:55:53. > :55:53.Ted Cruz has been the only one chasing Donald Trump and he is
:55:54. > :56:00.similar. In 2008 the person who chasing Donald Trump and he is
:56:01. > :56:05.ended up becoming the nominee didn't win Iowa. It develops over time. It
:56:06. > :56:10.was the most difficult for the Democrats to beat? Out of these
:56:11. > :56:15.three, none of them I think. I would be happy to take on any of them in
:56:16. > :56:17.three, none of them I think. I would general election because none of
:56:18. > :56:25.them have particularly positive vision for America. I suppose you
:56:26. > :56:36.would take that. Would Marco Rubio not be the most tricky for Hillary
:56:37. > :56:39.Clinton for example? He is her worst nightmare. Hillary Clinton is
:56:40. > :56:47.looking at an FBI investigation. We are getting closer every day now,
:56:48. > :56:54.and you don't think any Republicans can take her on? Have a very capable
:56:55. > :56:58.former Secretary of State and Senator, a very competent and
:56:59. > :57:02.capable senator from the state of Vermont, someone who has brought the
:57:03. > :57:08.word socialism into the mainstream of American politics for the first
:57:09. > :57:12.time in 100 years. We have two candidates representing key values
:57:13. > :57:18.about the need to support people who are struggling, who are hungry and
:57:19. > :57:23.sick and need health care. We have two candidates on target to win.
:57:24. > :57:28.Hillary Clinton is a candidate who failed in 2008, eight years on and
:57:29. > :57:33.she is still considered by many to be a failure. On the other side,
:57:34. > :57:37.Ronald Reagan must be turning in his grave at the thought of one of these
:57:38. > :57:42.minuscule figures succeeding him. One of them will have to at one
:57:43. > :57:47.stage. What is it about Bernie Sanders that has propelled him to
:57:48. > :57:51.the forefront of the race on the Democrat side? Both candidates have
:57:52. > :57:56.survived to this point because they share a similar vision for America,
:57:57. > :58:02.which has to do with this need to believe... I don't think she
:58:03. > :58:06.believes it. The believe there is a proper role for government in
:58:07. > :58:13.helping the sick and the pork and that's why our party is holding its
:58:14. > :58:20.primaries... Very briefly, New Hampshire primary, who wins? I think
:58:21. > :58:25.Marco Rubio's momentum will go upwards. It is not for me to say.
:58:26. > :58:28.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.
:58:29. > :58:31.The question was, how did Lib Dem leader Tim Farron think
:58:32. > :58:34.Was it a) As the man who saved the Liberal Democrats
:58:35. > :58:37.b) The first Liberal Prime Minister in over a hundred years
:58:38. > :58:57.I think he is underestimated, we will be hearing a lot more from him.
:58:58. > :58:59.Thanks to Iain Dale and all my guests.
:59:00. > :59:02.The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.
:59:03. > :59:05.I'll be back at 11.30am tomorrow with Andrew for live coverage