:00:38. > :00:41.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics
:00:42. > :00:43.David Cameron is back on the road selling his deal
:00:44. > :00:56.Will he be able to convince sceptical European governments
:00:57. > :00:58.or the European parliament even to sign up to it?
:00:59. > :01:00.Labour say 800,000 people have fallen off the electoral register.
:01:01. > :01:02.Is the government making it too difficult to vote?
:01:03. > :01:07.Is six hours of retail therapy plenty or should we be able to shop
:01:08. > :01:11.And is this Europe's most serious faultline?
:01:12. > :01:17.We visit the border that separates the two halves of Belgium.
:01:18. > :01:39.On this side we are in a Flemish town, that side is a Walloon town.
:01:40. > :01:42.All that in the next hour and with us for the first half
:01:43. > :01:45.of the programme today is the Editor of the Independent,
:01:46. > :01:48.He's cost the British taxpayer almost ?12 million since taking
:01:49. > :01:51.refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid arrest and extradition
:01:52. > :01:54.to Sweden on rape and sexual assault claims.
:01:55. > :01:57.Now a UN panel has ruled that the Wikileaks founder,
:01:58. > :02:00.Julian Assange, has been "arbitrarily detained" and should be
:02:01. > :02:05.compensated and allowed to walk free.
:02:06. > :02:08.Mr Assange is about to make an appearance at a press
:02:09. > :02:21.He is still in the Ecuadorian Embassy in Knightsbridge. Just at
:02:22. > :02:27.the back of Harrods. If any of you feel like making a visit. That is
:02:28. > :02:29.previous footage. He has not yet turned up to the press conference
:02:30. > :02:31.today. He had said that he would leave
:02:32. > :02:34.the Ecuadorian Embassy and face arrest had the UN panel
:02:35. > :02:42.ruled against him. I reject the finding
:02:43. > :02:52.of this working group, Julian Assange is a fugitive
:02:53. > :02:57.from justice, he is hiding from justice in the
:02:58. > :02:58.Ecuadorian embassy. He can come out onto the pavement
:02:59. > :03:07.any time he chooses. But he will have to face justice
:03:08. > :03:11.in Sweden if he chooses to do so. It is right that he should not be
:03:12. > :03:15.able to escape justice. This is frankly a ridiculous finding
:03:16. > :03:28.by the working group The suites have issued a European
:03:29. > :03:38.Arrest Warrant for Julian Assange for charges of rape and other
:03:39. > :03:45.charges. Is what -- in what way is the Foreign Secretary roll and the
:03:46. > :03:50.panel right? No way. Usually when Philip Hammond is required to say
:03:51. > :03:54.something he seems quite liked but he did quite well. Most people think
:03:55. > :04:02.this stinks. This is a UN panel working group. Laypeople. Not
:04:03. > :04:07.lawyers. Some of the courage implied they were international jewellers.
:04:08. > :04:19.The UN human rights Council is chaired by the Saudis. Well-known
:04:20. > :04:25.human rights defenders! Julian Assange's priced complexes getting
:04:26. > :04:42.more and more expensive. It is martyrdom -- --. This is a man who
:04:43. > :04:47.is wanted for rape. In Sweden. There are judicial system is famous for
:04:48. > :04:53.being one of the independent ones. He is a fugitive from justice. The
:04:54. > :05:00.sad thing is it has brought the UN into disrepute which has not had a
:05:01. > :05:06.good time of late. Julian Assange, everyone who has met him says he has
:05:07. > :05:14.the integrity of Beelzebub and the charm of a corporate. You are not
:05:15. > :05:17.doing his PR very well. I would be happy to speak to him, but he is not
:05:18. > :05:26.taking visitors, which is a shame. The question for today
:05:27. > :05:30.is all about onions, The French have apparently come up
:05:31. > :05:34.with a new spelling for onion. Is it: a) oignon b) ognon c)
:05:35. > :05:44.onion or d) zwiebel? A little later in the show Amol,
:05:45. > :05:46.who has GCSE French, The Prime Minister's embarked
:05:47. > :05:50.on another tour of European capitals in an effort to ensure
:05:51. > :05:53.that his draft deal meets with the approval of all
:05:54. > :05:58.the other 27 member states. He needs everything go one. -- every
:05:59. > :06:04.single. Poland has said it supports aspects
:06:05. > :06:08.of David Cameron's EU renegotiation package but plans to limit benefits
:06:09. > :06:11.for EU migrants need Because of the number of Polish
:06:12. > :06:16.workers in this country. Here he is speaking
:06:17. > :06:23.a little earlier. We want to see a full
:06:24. > :06:24.strategic partnership That is because of the shared
:06:25. > :06:28.interests and shared ideals Shared interests in strong defence
:06:29. > :06:31.and supporting Nato, and standing up to
:06:32. > :06:34.Russian aggression. Shared interests in terms
:06:35. > :06:37.of growing our economies and seeing them grow and integrate
:06:38. > :06:41.more closely together. Shared interests in making sure that
:06:42. > :06:47.Europe has genuine energy security. And shared interests in making sure
:06:48. > :06:51.that Europe is a Europe that respects and understands
:06:52. > :06:55.the importance of nation states and the role that they play,
:06:56. > :06:57.and proud nation states like Britain and Poland working
:06:58. > :07:03.together inside Europe. Well, the Prime Minister is racking
:07:04. > :07:06.up the air miles because he's now Our correspondent Ben Wright
:07:07. > :07:24.is in the Danish capital Copenhagen. I guess he can look forward to an
:07:25. > :07:30.easier time in Copan -- Copenhagen than in Warsaw? Yes, Denmark is a
:07:31. > :07:36.natural ally of the UK when it comes to the EU. It does not have the
:07:37. > :07:39.euro, it has history of referendum, a semidetached relationship with the
:07:40. > :07:44.European Union, so David Cameron will have a warm reception. He will
:07:45. > :07:49.be pleased with how his trip to Warsaw went. A Number 10 spokesman
:07:50. > :07:56.said there was more to do on the issue of welfare but the leader of
:07:57. > :08:00.the governing party, an important voice in Poland, has been seeing
:08:01. > :08:05.after meeting David Cameron that he is very pleased with the deal that
:08:06. > :08:09.Poland is getting on the issue of benefits, migrant benefits. He does
:08:10. > :08:16.that think there is a big problem, sounding very supportive. -- does
:08:17. > :08:21.not think there is a big problem. It sounds as if the potential problem
:08:22. > :08:25.of Poland is solved. Is David Cameron intending to visit all of
:08:26. > :08:30.the European capitals, two down and 25 to go, as ugly London does not
:08:31. > :08:38.count, is he doing a grand tour of Europe? -- presumably London. He has
:08:39. > :08:47.been doing a tour ahead of this really go she Asian. He has not been
:08:48. > :08:51.to Copenhagen yet. -- this negotiation. He was going to be here
:08:52. > :09:01.about a week ago but scrapped that so he did go to Brussels and meet
:09:02. > :09:05.Jean-Claude Juncker. He has been do a visit to Copenhagen. He has done a
:09:06. > :09:10.lot of shuttle diplomacy moving around European capitals over the
:09:11. > :09:15.last few months. It is the first time he has done Copenhagen since he
:09:16. > :09:21.began the renegotiation. He will get an easy time, a warm reception, but
:09:22. > :09:26.he is doing a lot of work to make sure that he nails down the details
:09:27. > :09:30.of this renegotiation and when he sits down with every other EU leader
:09:31. > :09:35.in a fortnight that they are on board. That is what this process is
:09:36. > :09:39.about over the next fortnight. Thank you.
:09:40. > :09:44.We're joined now from Brussels by Guy Verhofstadt.
:09:45. > :09:46.The former Prime Minister of Belgium, he is now the leader
:09:47. > :09:49.of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
:09:50. > :10:04.In your view, does the European Parliament have a veto over the
:10:05. > :10:11.Cameron settlement? Not a veto, but one of the main points of the
:10:12. > :10:16.agreement, of the potential agreement, is a change in what we
:10:17. > :10:26.call secondary legislation, or that means that Council and Parliament as
:10:27. > :10:32.to agree on the proposal and that cannot be done in the normal
:10:33. > :10:35.legislative procedures. All think of work benefits is classic legislation
:10:36. > :10:41.in which the European Parliament plays a full role. Can you clarify?
:10:42. > :10:48.Will the parliament vote on the overall settlement or bullet ward
:10:49. > :10:55.one parts of the settlement that have legislative consequences? It is
:10:56. > :11:01.the part where it has legislative consequences and that is for later.
:11:02. > :11:08.Once agreement has been done in European Council the crucial part of
:11:09. > :11:11.the settlement, this agreement, will be put through the normal
:11:12. > :11:15.legislative procedure through the European Parliament and it is the
:11:16. > :11:19.full responsibility of the European Parliament to accept, change, modify
:11:20. > :11:27.it. The general feeling in the European Parliament is that this
:11:28. > :11:31.goes through, the whole agreement, because we think that you are better
:11:32. > :11:36.off with Britain inside the European Union than outside. For obvious
:11:37. > :11:47.economic and precisely for geopolitical reasons. I understand.
:11:48. > :11:52.Let me look at the details where the settlement could run into trouble.
:11:53. > :11:57.The red card arrangement that David Cameron has managed to get into the
:11:58. > :12:02.settlement so far. 15 European parliaments within 12 weeks could
:12:03. > :12:07.cause the commission and or the council to think again. Does that
:12:08. > :12:15.have to go through the European Parliament and do you think they
:12:16. > :12:19.would vote for that or not? No. It is an internal commitment inside the
:12:20. > :12:28.European Council. It is the European Council. If you have to decide we
:12:29. > :12:33.have to decide as European Council and if a number of these majority,
:12:34. > :12:40.55, of these national parliaments, are against that, we shall stop this
:12:41. > :12:43.part of the legislation. That is an internal commitment. It has nothing
:12:44. > :12:48.to do with what is foreseen in the treaty. The treaty there is a
:12:49. > :12:53.similar procedure that is first seen so it is not so now. It is
:12:54. > :13:00.duplicating a little bit what is in the treaty. For the Prime Minister
:13:01. > :13:05.may be the most important part that he has managed to negotiate into the
:13:06. > :13:09.settlement, in work benefits for migrants coming from the EU to this
:13:10. > :13:16.country, future migrants would not qualify for a fool in work benefits
:13:17. > :13:21.straightaway but would be graduated over four years. What with the
:13:22. > :13:25.Parliament's attitude be? It is impossible to predict because I
:13:26. > :13:30.cannot see already what is going to be the position of the different
:13:31. > :13:36.groups. The general feeling in the Parliament is that this has to be
:13:37. > :13:42.system in the hands of the European Commission other than of one member
:13:43. > :13:49.state. The proposal on the table sees a system in which it is the
:13:50. > :13:53.European Commission who is proposing to the other member states. The
:13:54. > :13:58.second filling in the Parliament is light does not exaggerate. Maybe it
:13:59. > :14:03.is a problem in Britain but when you see it in general Labour mobility
:14:04. > :14:10.inside the European Union is so also what we are talking about, it is ten
:14:11. > :14:16.times lower than the mobility in the United States. One of the
:14:17. > :14:22.consequences of this is that there are 2 million vacancies in the
:14:23. > :14:27.European Union. We are broadcasting from a country where net migration
:14:28. > :14:35.was over 300,000 so labour mobility is not a big issue in Britain. That
:14:36. > :14:43.could be. When you compare yourself to your counterparts in the US it is
:14:44. > :14:47.a very low figure. American labour mobility has always been high. 2
:14:48. > :14:55.million Americans cross state boundaries every year for jobs. That
:14:56. > :14:59.is not the issue. Is it possible that the European Parliament could
:15:00. > :15:07.change elements of their settlement after Britain has voted in a
:15:08. > :15:10.referendum? I can only tell you that there is vote part is on the
:15:11. > :15:18.classical legislative procedure so that means that, and the council,
:15:19. > :15:24.and the Parliament, are discussing together, changing, modifying, what
:15:25. > :15:29.is in this, but we are involved. The negotiations have started this
:15:30. > :15:34.morning. I am one of the representatives. We are not waiting
:15:35. > :15:40.until the end of the legislative procedure. What parts of the
:15:41. > :15:44.settlement would you think of voting against?
:15:45. > :15:50.In general, what I think we have to do, to take this serious leak, we
:15:51. > :15:55.are positive towards a reform of the European Union, and we want to
:15:56. > :16:03.secure and help Mr Cameron -- seriously. We want to help the
:16:04. > :16:11.public opinion in Great Britain, and that this will become signed in the
:16:12. > :16:16.treaty. The thing is David Cameron is asking for, the European Union
:16:17. > :16:24.needs another number of reforms, government for the euro, defence
:16:25. > :16:29.security, the different crisis we are facing, the refugee crisis,
:16:30. > :16:36.geopolitical, they are asking and requesting a more integration on the
:16:37. > :16:40.continent. They will be no treaty change either side of the German or
:16:41. > :16:49.French elections next J, that is the reality. -- next year. But we can
:16:50. > :16:55.start to prepare to work on them. If we play it very well, we can do the
:16:56. > :17:01.situation very well for Britain and for the union. They are asking for
:17:02. > :17:04.special status, let's give it to them, but let's also secure a
:17:05. > :17:09.further deepening of the European Union, further integration, to give
:17:10. > :17:13.us the possibility and the capability to fight against a
:17:14. > :17:21.different crisis. But will you do that in the knowledge that it is
:17:22. > :17:27.well-nigh impossible for Britain to be part of the deeper political
:17:28. > :17:31.integration? That is what we recognise, we recognise the request
:17:32. > :17:35.of the British government under David Cameron to have a separate
:17:36. > :17:41.status inside the union and that is what we have tried to do, to bring
:17:42. > :17:46.together the request of the British population in general, to not be so
:17:47. > :17:49.involved in European Union integration, and also more European
:17:50. > :17:52.integration for the other parts of the European Union, for the
:17:53. > :17:58.Eurozone, it is necessary. We can find each other, Mr Cameron asking
:17:59. > :18:02.on the one hand for a special treatment, and at the same time Mr
:18:03. > :18:06.Cameron recognising that the rest of Europe and the Eurozone has two
:18:07. > :18:12.further go into a deeper integration. It is a win win
:18:13. > :18:17.settlement, that is what we will try to achieve. We will find out more as
:18:18. > :18:21.the weeks progress and I hope that we can talk to you so that you can
:18:22. > :18:30.mark our card as the developments take place. Thanks for joining us.
:18:31. > :18:33.That was interesting. There have been rumblings at the European
:18:34. > :18:37.Parliament, that they could cause trouble for this settlement and that
:18:38. > :18:41.would be a real setback for David Cameron, but I did not detect that
:18:42. > :18:45.in the interview. I did not detect that, but many of the viewers, said
:18:46. > :18:54.there is a view in Scunthorpe, worried about immigration. We do
:18:55. > :18:58.have a viewer in Scunthorpe! This is a Eurocrat who has said Labour
:18:59. > :19:01.mobility is not a problem, but we know 80% of the population says
:19:02. > :19:05.immigration is the thing they are most worried about, and so that is a
:19:06. > :19:10.patronising view, very elitist Brussels view, and that makes people
:19:11. > :19:16.say, the EU is out of touch, and I'm sure the guest from Ukip will say
:19:17. > :19:26.that a man like that is out of touch with the British public. OK, we will
:19:27. > :19:30.stick with Europe. The referendum is a fight between those who want to
:19:31. > :19:36.stay and those who want to leave? Not quite. One of the campaign
:19:37. > :19:40.groups has complained about its ongoing struggle with complained
:19:41. > :19:43.about its ongoing struggle with which is a rival struggle with which
:19:44. > :19:57.is a rival campaign group, despite wanting the same result -- ongoing
:19:58. > :20:08.struggle with Vote Leave. And there is also the idea that Labour Leave
:20:09. > :20:14.have been arguing with Vote Leave. What is happening? Just say you
:20:15. > :20:18.don't lose the will to live, I will try to cut to the latest in this
:20:19. > :20:25.very long tail of infighting and Civil War. We have these different
:20:26. > :20:28.groups campaigning for the outside, and they want to win the official
:20:29. > :20:35.designation going into the campaign, because they get public money and
:20:36. > :20:38.they will get TV broadcasts and free mailshots, so that is why there are
:20:39. > :20:52.these different groups, and now we have Vote Leave and Vote.LeaveEU.
:20:53. > :20:59.And now Labour Leave has said it has had enough of the infighting going
:21:00. > :21:05.on at Vote Leave and it will take itself away, cut the ties it has had
:21:06. > :21:10.with Vote Leave and be an independent organisation, and one of
:21:11. > :21:15.the co-chairs is the MP Kate Hoey, who said she will not support Vote
:21:16. > :21:20.Leave any more, in its bid to be the official out campaign voice. They
:21:21. > :21:24.want to be an independent organisation and work with the
:21:25. > :21:28.grassroots campaigns. Added to that, we have a letter leaked to the Times
:21:29. > :21:37.newspaper, written by John Mills, the Labour Party donor, he is deputy
:21:38. > :21:43.chair of Vote Leave. Writing to two people on the board, who used to be
:21:44. > :21:46.on the board at Vote Leave, he says they have got to stop the bickering,
:21:47. > :21:57.and that they have lost the backing of Kate Hoey. If you are still with
:21:58. > :22:02.me... Only just! LAUGHTER One of the chairs of Vote.LeaveEU,
:22:03. > :22:09.who has back rolled their campaign, he says those men who used to be on
:22:10. > :22:12.the board of Vote Leave, Matthew Elliott and Dominic Cummings, they
:22:13. > :22:17.are no longer on the board, but they are still running the campaign. --
:22:18. > :22:20.bankrolled. He says they are to the nastiest individuals he has ever met
:22:21. > :22:28.any but not put them in charge of a shop. -- and he would. Vote Leave
:22:29. > :22:31.say they are not getting involved in any of this, and they say they have
:22:32. > :22:40.seen the letter and they wishing well. Very well. I will now go and
:22:41. > :22:44.lie in a dark room and recover! If you want to win a political campaign
:22:45. > :22:48.you have got to make it simple and true, but right now the end campaign
:22:49. > :22:54.have a ambassador in David Cameron who is working very hard, and the
:22:55. > :22:57.out campaign to not have a clear and simple message and they don't have a
:22:58. > :23:04.leadership. -- right now the Inn campaign. Yet they are ten points
:23:05. > :23:11.ahead in the latest poll for new guv, apparently. -- you go.
:23:12. > :23:14.Is six hours enough time to go shopping on a Sunday?
:23:15. > :23:17.I can't understand why anyone would want to shop on a Sunday
:23:18. > :23:19.with so many fine political programmes to watch.
:23:20. > :23:24.But the government wants local authorities in England and Wales
:23:25. > :23:27.to have the power to allow shops to open for longer.
:23:28. > :23:29.Here's the Business Secretary, Sajid Javid, earlier this week.
:23:30. > :23:31.We will introduce amendments in this bill to allow local authorities
:23:32. > :23:36.to decide whether to extend hours in their areas.
:23:37. > :23:39.Central government will not be dictating how to use this power.
:23:40. > :23:41.The decision will be entirely local, reflecting local preferences,
:23:42. > :23:45.shopping habits and economic conditions.
:23:46. > :23:49.If the people of Bromsgrove or Barking say they want to see
:23:50. > :23:51.longer Sunday opening hours, who are we here in Westminster
:23:52. > :23:58.Not everyone on the Government's own benches are happy with the idea
:23:59. > :24:02.Among them Stewart Jackson, who joins us now from his
:24:03. > :24:14.You are outside the cathedral, I would say. The Conservatives always
:24:15. > :24:21.boast they are the party of devolution, that they people decide.
:24:22. > :24:27.-- let the people decide. You must welcome the idea this is a matter
:24:28. > :24:31.for local councils? I think this is driven by our manifesto commitment
:24:32. > :24:36.to create 2 million private sector jobs, and that is a laudable aim,
:24:37. > :24:43.but you only have to look back in history, 20-30 years to see the mess
:24:44. > :24:48.Margaret Thatcher got into over this issue, she had a huge majority and
:24:49. > :24:55.lost it. I'm not convinced there's strong economic case that economic
:24:56. > :24:59.prosperity will follow from the liberalisation of Sunday shopping
:25:00. > :25:02.hours and there are many people on the Conservative backbenchers who
:25:03. > :25:05.follow similar views. Why should it not be a matter for local
:25:06. > :25:14.government, taking into account local feelings and the local demand?
:25:15. > :25:19.Rather than being determined by MPs. I absolutely agree, and when I spoke
:25:20. > :25:24.to the Prime Minister earlier in the way, I said to him, I thought the
:25:25. > :25:28.best way forward to avoid a needless row with backbenchers is to have a
:25:29. > :25:34.competitive regime where local authorities who are worried about
:25:35. > :25:37.voids in their retail town centres and out-of-town shopping centres and
:25:38. > :25:44.also the internet, they can bid to vary their regime for shopping and
:25:45. > :25:47.then we can look at it in 18 months, and if it has been a success we can
:25:48. > :25:53.roll it out to all local authorities across the country, and that seems
:25:54. > :25:57.to be a fair compromise. We are looking at some very serious
:25:58. > :26:01.concerns from the shop workers unions, faith groups, and also
:26:02. > :26:07.issues around quality-of-life, but more importantly, convenience stores
:26:08. > :26:14.might suffer as a result of these changes in legislation. You are
:26:15. > :26:20.going to vote against the measure, how big will the rebellion be on the
:26:21. > :26:27.Conservatives side? I can't hear anything. Let me try again.
:26:28. > :26:31.Certainly people have looked at figures around their tea, I do think
:26:32. > :26:38.it will be a massive rebellion, it will not be like the EU referendum
:26:39. > :26:42.rebellion -- figures around 30. It will be a problem for a government
:26:43. > :26:46.with a small majority and it will depend on the Scottish National
:26:47. > :26:48.party and what undertakings are made to them to prevent them from voting
:26:49. > :26:52.against the government this legislation. Since we have got you
:26:53. > :27:03.here. How has the David Cameron legislation. Since we have got you
:27:04. > :27:08.settlement and the EU -- on the EU, if we can call it that, how is that
:27:09. > :27:25.going down on the backbenches and in your constituency? Can you hear me?
:27:26. > :27:32.We seem to have lost him. Lines are down to Peterborough, there we go.
:27:33. > :27:36.Here we go. You have another is peace, can you hear me? I have
:27:37. > :27:51.another BBC gizmo. -- ear piece. peace, can you hear me? I have
:27:52. > :27:56.was asking, how has the EU settlement, such as it is so far,
:27:57. > :28:04.how has that gone down with your colleagues on the Tory backbenches
:28:05. > :28:08.and people in your constituency? There is a sense of palpable
:28:09. > :28:12.disappointment, we wish the Prime Minister well, people like me have
:28:13. > :28:18.kept their counsel for several months, because we believe that he
:28:19. > :28:26.was going to make good on his pledges at the Bloomberg speech in
:28:27. > :28:28.2013, for a radical renegotiation of our relationship and action
:28:29. > :28:35.repatriating powers, but what we have seen, unfortunately, does not
:28:36. > :28:38.stack up -- actually repatriating. Despite the best efforts of the
:28:39. > :28:42.Prime Minister, the European Union is set on ever closer union and is
:28:43. > :28:47.fundamentally not something that can be reformed. We heard from the
:28:48. > :28:52.former trimester Belgian, he seems to be happy with a system where the
:28:53. > :28:56.core of the European Union, the Eurozone continues with further
:28:57. > :29:01.integration, but Britain does not need to be involved in this -- the
:29:02. > :29:04.former Prime Minister of Belgium. That seems to be something the Prime
:29:05. > :29:10.Minister has emphasised in this settlement. That is all well and
:29:11. > :29:18.good, but very eminent people have said that without the toes and
:29:19. > :29:25.treaties in place, the blandishments and agreements made to David Cameron
:29:26. > :29:35.will effectively in the future, if we vote to remain, will be worthless
:29:36. > :29:41.vetos -- vetos and treaties. Unless we have treaty change, we can't give
:29:42. > :29:46.effect to our very serious concerns about the future direction with our
:29:47. > :29:52.country in the European Union. What about your constituency? The Prime
:29:53. > :29:55.Minister says you should not listen to your constituency is said Shea
:29:56. > :30:02.shows on this issue, you have got to make up your own mind. --
:30:03. > :30:11.constituency associations. You don't know me very well, if that was the
:30:12. > :30:15.case! It was a question. LAUGHTER I understand what he is saying, this
:30:16. > :30:19.is a fundamental issue and you should go with your head and your
:30:20. > :30:22.heart. I will be consulting my constituents, they know where I
:30:23. > :30:29.stand and have done since I resigned from a government post in 2011 to
:30:30. > :30:31.campaign for a EU referendum. The Prime Minister's words were
:30:32. > :30:36.misconstrued, he has a job to do and he will take his position. We have
:30:37. > :30:41.got to unite again as a party of government after this referendum and
:30:42. > :30:46.we should keep civilised and moderate in our time. Thanks for
:30:47. > :30:47.joining us. We thank you for being civilised and moderate in dealing
:30:48. > :30:58.with the dodgy ear piece. Labour claim that 800,000 people
:30:59. > :31:00.have disappeared from the electoral register since the government
:31:01. > :31:03.introduced changes to the way that In the past the head of a household
:31:04. > :31:07.could register all eligible voters Now voters have to
:31:08. > :31:10.register individually. And, as Giles reports,
:31:11. > :31:12.there are also concerns about the obstacles faced
:31:13. > :31:15.by those with disabilities. Last year's general election
:31:16. > :31:21.programme as most of us If you are blind, of course,
:31:22. > :31:28.it was more like this, but apart from not seeing the story
:31:29. > :31:33.unfold, there's no reason why such a disability should exclude
:31:34. > :31:35.you from the process. Provided you have registered
:31:36. > :31:40.to vote, and there is the issue. This is the government's own website
:31:41. > :31:43.and it boasts that it takes five minutes to register
:31:44. > :31:44.to vote individually which is what the government
:31:45. > :31:48.wants us all to do. It points out you need a bit
:31:49. > :31:50.of data about yourself, you can register by post,
:31:51. > :31:53.and you can even get It points out, if you are a Crown
:31:54. > :31:57.servant, a diplomat, for example, or in the Armed Forces,
:31:58. > :32:02.there are separate forms. What it doesn't mention, anywhere,
:32:03. > :32:06.is any information you could look up and advise for a friend
:32:07. > :32:08.who was blind about how Nowhere, nothing,
:32:09. > :32:11.not a phone number. And that, some people say,
:32:12. > :32:17.points to a wider problem about how easy it is being made for people
:32:18. > :32:20.to register to vote. If there was cross-party support
:32:21. > :32:25.for electronic voting and automatic registration,
:32:26. > :32:27.it would help a lot more people Personally, I think young disabled
:32:28. > :32:38.people can find it a turn-off if they can't vote in secret
:32:39. > :32:41.or if information that they need to educate themselves
:32:42. > :32:43.about politics is inaccessible. For the record, blind people can
:32:44. > :32:45.call their local council's election officer and organise
:32:46. > :32:47.to be registered. But so far many haven't,
:32:48. > :32:50.meaning their voices are not But are the government turning
:32:51. > :32:56.a blind eye to a wider problem? The change to individual voting
:32:57. > :33:00.registration also means that according to Bite The Ballot over
:33:01. > :33:02.800,000 people seem to have disappeared from the previous
:33:03. > :33:05.electoral roll, and they are not happy with the government's
:33:06. > :33:09.explanations. At the moment we are making it
:33:10. > :33:12.as difficult rather than as easy In other words we are making our
:33:13. > :33:17.democracy as awkward Yes, he is a former Labour Cabinet
:33:18. > :33:24.minister, now a lord, There is no doubt that changing
:33:25. > :33:33.boundaries and removing the number of members of Parliament,
:33:34. > :33:37.precluding trade unions from funding parties who are fighting
:33:38. > :33:42.in our democracy, and changing the registration system which has
:33:43. > :33:46.already resulted in large numbers dropping off, has to be seen
:33:47. > :33:51.in the context of a government which believes that what is best
:33:52. > :33:58.for it is best for the nation. We were hoping to speak
:33:59. > :34:02.to a minister about this afternoon, but at the last minute we were told
:34:03. > :34:17.no one was available. "Individual electoral registration
:34:18. > :34:19.is an essential measure We have worked hard with local
:34:20. > :34:22.authorities for years now to clean up the register -
:34:23. > :34:25.any entries removed will be people who have moved house,
:34:26. > :34:28.died or never existed because they It's time now to find out
:34:29. > :34:39.the answer to our quiz. Coming up in a moment
:34:40. > :34:58.it's our regular look at what's been For now it's time to say
:34:59. > :35:01.goodbye to Amol Rajan - So for the next half an hour we're
:35:02. > :35:05.going to be focussing We'll be looking at how the draft
:35:06. > :35:10.deal on the UK's EU membership is going down elsewhere in Europe,
:35:11. > :35:13.the prospect of borders being introduced across
:35:14. > :35:15.the continent in the wake of the migrant crisis and we'll
:35:16. > :35:18.focus on the home of so many First, though, here's our guide
:35:19. > :35:23.to the latest from Europe - The deal has finally been struck
:35:24. > :35:35.between member states in the European Commission
:35:36. > :35:37.to fund humanitarian aid The UK will be the second
:35:38. > :35:43.largest contributor. The European Union and the USA have
:35:44. > :35:46.agreed new rules to allow companies like Google or Facebook
:35:47. > :35:48.to process personal data It has rumbled on for years
:35:49. > :35:51.and privacy groups still In Rome, officials met to review
:35:52. > :35:55.the fight against so-called Islamic Amid warnings that the group
:35:56. > :35:58.were threatening Libya. But IS has lost a significant amount
:35:59. > :36:03.of territory recently. We have had ups and downs,
:36:04. > :36:06.but more recently more German border police should shoot
:36:07. > :36:14.at refugees entering the country illegally, according
:36:15. > :36:17.to the far right AFD party. But their remarks
:36:18. > :36:18.were roundly condemned. And the European Parliament
:36:19. > :36:20.will allow diesel cars to emit double the legal emission limit
:36:21. > :36:24.of nitrogen oxide until 2020. Extra leeway has been given
:36:25. > :36:27.because actual emissions are four And with us for the next 30 minutes
:36:28. > :36:39.I've been joined by Labour MEP, Richard Howitt and Ukip
:36:40. > :36:45.MEP James Carver. Let's talk first about the ?7
:36:46. > :36:49.billion worth of aid that's been pledged to help Syrian
:36:50. > :37:02.refugees, ?2.3 billion of it A big chunk coming from Britain as
:37:03. > :37:05.well. Hundreds of millions have been spent on refugees in the region. The
:37:06. > :37:09.flow of migrants is still spent on refugees in the region. The
:37:10. > :37:12.increasing. Why would more money make any difference? It would make
:37:13. > :37:17.more difference if you are make any difference? It would make
:37:18. > :37:25.refugee city in a camp and your food ration is $19 a day. -- $19 a month.
:37:26. > :37:32.Not enough to buy a loaf of bread for a family of seven. I understand
:37:33. > :37:36.the humanitarian reason but this is a vast sums of money of which
:37:37. > :37:40.Britain is a big part but it is being sold as money well spent not
:37:41. > :37:45.just because it will help people to survive but because it will stop the
:37:46. > :37:51.outflow. There is no evidence that is the case. I partly accept that
:37:52. > :37:55.but it is a pretty dirty deal of the only reason Britain or Europe would
:37:56. > :38:01.give money to help with refugees is to stop refugees coming here. What
:38:02. > :38:03.we have to do first and foremost is manage the
:38:04. > :38:07.we have to do first and foremost is the war in Syria and I am involved
:38:08. > :38:15.in a lot of activity. The talks have broken down.
:38:16. > :38:18.in a lot of activity. The talks have done in London less than half a mile
:38:19. > :38:24.from here Russian aircraft and Assad ground troops were pummelling the
:38:25. > :38:28.from here Russian aircraft and Assad biggest city in Syria. Everybody
:38:29. > :38:32.needs to take a compassionate approach. The National Audit Office
:38:33. > :38:40.have said so much of the aid has not been
:38:41. > :38:41.have said so much of the aid has not International Development
:38:42. > :38:44.have said so much of the aid has not concerns over whether the aid is
:38:45. > :38:49.reaching where it should be going. We shall keep an eye on it because
:38:50. > :38:55.the situation is dire for the refugees. We have worked
:38:56. > :38:59.painstakingly to get Iran and Saudi Arabia to the table. The talks
:39:00. > :39:01.happened and the alternative is to do nothing and after five years of
:39:02. > :39:07.civil war... We need to move on. Now, earlier this week the draft
:39:08. > :39:10.deal aimed at satisfying the UK's David Cameron says there will be
:39:11. > :39:14.plenty of intense negotiations to follow before a final document
:39:15. > :39:19.is signed off, but just to get this far has been a hard trek
:39:20. > :39:25.for the Prime Minister. Setting off on his EU reform journey
:39:26. > :39:27.before the election, David Cameron said that he wanted
:39:28. > :39:30.to ban EU migrants from getting The draft proposal suggests only
:39:31. > :39:35.a graduated access to benefits from initial complete exclusion
:39:36. > :39:42.and increases over the four year 28 different trial benefits. --
:39:43. > :39:53.the child lives. 28 different trial benefits. --
:39:54. > :39:54.Child. The UK can also apply
:39:55. > :39:57.for an emergency brake on welfare, but it's not completely clear how
:39:58. > :40:00.that brake is pulled and for how The PM also set himself a milestone
:40:01. > :40:04.of protection for economies which have not adopted the euro
:40:05. > :40:07.and on this the draft delivers, prohibiting discrimination
:40:08. > :40:08.between currencies. Another aim of David Cameron's
:40:09. > :40:12.expedition was to get Britain out of ever closer union
:40:13. > :40:16.with the European Union. The draft does recognise that the UK
:40:17. > :40:19.is not committed to further political integration
:40:20. > :40:25.into the European Union. And the Prime Minister also called
:40:26. > :40:27.for sovereignty of national But this looks like set to be
:40:28. > :40:35.an uphill slog for the PM, with confusion about what his red
:40:36. > :40:43.card realistically means in terms of giving national parliaments
:40:44. > :40:45.greater powers to club together The summit may be in sight,
:40:46. > :40:49.but it is also unclear what powers MEPs might have to reject
:40:50. > :40:54.the so called emergency brake, limit child benefits and a ban
:40:55. > :40:57.on so called sham marriages which could leave the
:40:58. > :41:03.British PM in hot water. We're joined now from Brussels
:41:04. > :41:15.by the Conservative MEP Are you broadly happy with what the
:41:16. > :41:19.Prime Minister has achieved? The Prime Minister has set out his clear
:41:20. > :41:24.agenda and has been and got support from all of the other member states
:41:25. > :41:31.so far and has the final act to go. Yes, I am happy. He has set his
:41:32. > :41:35.priorities and got what he aimed for in all four areas and I am being he
:41:36. > :41:42.can deliver in that final set of negotiations at the middle of this
:41:43. > :41:46.month. In what way has UK sovereignty been enhanced by the
:41:47. > :41:51.settlement? There are several things within that. It was very important
:41:52. > :41:56.we are excluded from the ever closer union is specially as the eurozone
:41:57. > :42:01.countries decide to get closer in terms of their political and fiscal
:42:02. > :42:07.union, so for us it was important we were differentiated outside of that
:42:08. > :42:11.was no intention of joining. We are outside, so that is reinforcing the
:42:12. > :42:17.status quo. In what way was sovereignty enhanced? No. There was
:42:18. > :42:22.big issue is resolved in terms of going forward. To make sure we were
:42:23. > :42:27.well out of that was important. The red card system, a system where if
:42:28. > :42:30.there is a piece of legislation that does not suit us for whatever reason
:42:31. > :42:35.and is impacting on our economy we would be able to with others
:42:36. > :42:40.collectively say that it is not acceptable. That does not enhance
:42:41. > :42:43.British sovereignty, that involves getting together 15 other
:42:44. > :42:48.parliaments within a 12 week period and some of these parliaments
:42:49. > :42:52.rebelling and voting against the stated position of their elected
:42:53. > :42:57.governments. That is a mechanism, nothing to do with British
:42:58. > :43:01.sovereignty. In terms of member states having more say over the
:43:02. > :43:04.legislation a key part of that part of the document is that member
:43:05. > :43:08.states will have more of the regulation done at national level
:43:09. > :43:14.and lessen European Michael and that is something the UK and other
:43:15. > :43:17.European states are calling for, so in terms of sovereignty what can be
:43:18. > :43:22.done at national level will be done from now on and that is an important
:43:23. > :43:29.part of that section that seems to have been overlooked over the last
:43:30. > :43:34.few days. Could this settlement run into trouble in the European
:43:35. > :43:44.Parliament? We have three representatives. I met with someone
:43:45. > :43:49.and they have of Labour, and there is a strong will to help Britain
:43:50. > :43:53.stay in the European Union. This is the message the British electorate
:43:54. > :43:58.should hear, that our fellow countries, despite the frustrations,
:43:59. > :44:02.do not want Britain to leave. Francois Hollande, I have sat
:44:03. > :44:07.internal meetings listening to him, he has said this week he can be part
:44:08. > :44:13.of the compromise that that shows the will across Europe to support
:44:14. > :44:16.us. Francois Hollande is not a member of the European Parliament.
:44:17. > :44:21.Will the European Parliament be so in the British side in this
:44:22. > :44:26.settlement process? I can tell you how I will be voting. There are
:44:27. > :44:32.three representatives of the European Parliament from the three
:44:33. > :44:38.groups, not a representative from my group and two other groups. A very
:44:39. > :44:42.different approach to the direction in the European Union. If elements
:44:43. > :44:48.of this deal come before the European Parliament will use vote
:44:49. > :44:51.against it? I have to. This is further than hashing a debate on
:44:52. > :44:57.what is conceivable and inconceivable. It is about what is
:44:58. > :45:03.not in this renegotiation. Supremacy for the British Parliament.
:45:04. > :45:08.Supremacy of the European Court. The working Time directive. He has not
:45:09. > :45:13.achieved anything. A manifesto pledge that he put in last year's
:45:14. > :45:22.general election. That shows how little power we have.
:45:23. > :45:27.Kay, If this was watered down further, if some of it is taken back
:45:28. > :45:33.a bit, given that so many of your colleagues in London think it's a
:45:34. > :45:41.pretty watered-down document, it could not survive further watering
:45:42. > :45:47.down? I have to restate that, there are people who fully support the
:45:48. > :45:50.Prime Minister's negotiations and think he has gone after the right
:45:51. > :45:56.things and think he's doing a very good job. What if they are
:45:57. > :45:59.watered-down further? This is a negotiation, there are things on the
:46:00. > :46:04.table at the moment. I know that, so what about if it is watered-down
:46:05. > :46:08.further? I have faith that the primaries to is going to get his
:46:09. > :46:13.negotiation at the level he is anticipating and that we will be
:46:14. > :46:17.able to support him in his actions -- I have faith that the Prime
:46:18. > :46:18.Minister is going. We have good will and we will be acting upon the
:46:19. > :46:23.goodwill. Thanks for joining us. Now - is the dream of
:46:24. > :46:26.a borderless Europe at an end? The arrival of over a million
:46:27. > :46:29.migrants over the last year has prompted many EU countries -
:46:30. > :46:31.formerly in the borderless "schengen" area -
:46:32. > :46:37.to re-erect their borders. Jo Coburn has visited the
:46:38. > :46:39.Denmark/Sweden border where crossing the famous Orsen bridge
:46:40. > :46:42.between the two countries has been You might have seen the TV detective
:46:43. > :46:48.series based on it. Security checks at the last station
:46:49. > :46:50.in Denmark before crossing This new border control
:46:51. > :46:56.is disrupting the journeys of thousands of commuters
:46:57. > :46:59.who used to travel freely Here we have no border for 50 years
:47:00. > :47:18.and suddenly we get a border People are really shocked
:47:19. > :47:23.and disappointed because they think they have not expected
:47:24. > :47:25.that they have to show a passport to
:47:26. > :47:27.come home from work. The border controls have been
:47:28. > :47:30.introduced as a result of a new Swedish law to deal
:47:31. > :47:32.with the unprecedented flow of migrants travelling through
:47:33. > :47:40.Denmark and into Sweden. This week, Sweden's migration
:47:41. > :47:43.minister travelled to Copenhagen to meet his Danish counterpart
:47:44. > :47:48.and justify the new controls. In four months, September,
:47:49. > :47:54.October, November, December, In the whole year 2015 there arrived
:47:55. > :48:03.163,000 people to Sweden. It is as if in the UK
:48:04. > :48:10.there would have There is no doubt the new law has
:48:11. > :48:17.slowed down the daily commute, but is it also the end
:48:18. > :48:20.of the line for The Oresund Bridge is so much more
:48:21. > :48:30.than just an impressive It is a symbol of open borders that
:48:31. > :48:36.has powered this region There are fears that
:48:37. > :48:40.vision is fading away. I am optimistic they
:48:41. > :48:42.will find a better way to manage the ID control
:48:43. > :48:45.because we cannot live with Checkpoint Charlie
:48:46. > :48:47.in Copenhagen airport between Denmark and Sweden
:48:48. > :48:51.so we have to find a way to make it I've arrived in Sweden
:48:52. > :48:57.and here are the police again, something you would not
:48:58. > :49:01.have seen six weeks ago. We've stopped just before Malmo
:49:02. > :49:04.and ID is checked again. Sweden is facing a new political
:49:05. > :49:15.challenge as attitudes Something that worries the political
:49:16. > :49:17.editor of the regional We have gone from being
:49:18. > :49:23.extremely liberal and a very unusual approach for Europe
:49:24. > :49:26.to approaching almost There was a panic reaction
:49:27. > :49:33.and it was assumed that nothing we have previously believed
:49:34. > :49:37.will work for this particular situation and to me that is a lack
:49:38. > :49:41.of faith in your own policies that makes me worried for
:49:42. > :49:43.other policies as well. It is not just in Sweden where
:49:44. > :49:47.the political weather is changing. In Copenhagen the Danish parliament
:49:48. > :49:52.recently passed a law giving authorities the power
:49:53. > :49:56.to seize the assets of asylum seekers, a move that has
:49:57. > :50:03.been widely criticised. in Denmark and your family's stay
:50:04. > :50:13.in Denmark then you should pay. is a step in the right direction
:50:14. > :50:17.and we will continue to work for even more tighter rules
:50:18. > :50:22.on refugee issues and migration to Denmark, for instance
:50:23. > :50:25.from the Middle East, Shane Den is on life support, it is
:50:26. > :50:47.search for a solution. Shane Den is on life support, it is
:50:48. > :50:54.de facto, just not operating -- Shane Den is on life support, it is
:50:55. > :51:00.Schengen. You are right, there will be a vote in the referendum. There
:51:01. > :51:04.are intense pressures at the moment, and there are two points about that,
:51:05. > :51:08.it really makes the point that Britain has opted out of borderless
:51:09. > :51:17.travel, we have opted out of immigration. At the European level.
:51:18. > :51:20.It is a fact of life. Are you happy? When Eurosceptics want to make the
:51:21. > :51:24.debate in Britain about the fact we have open borders, it is not true.
:51:25. > :51:30.We were right not to go into Schengen? I would like us to manage
:51:31. > :51:35.We were right not to go into migration in Europe better and to be
:51:36. > :51:41.part of the EU negotiation scheme. I said, was it a sensible decision not
:51:42. > :51:45.to have participated in Schengen? Yes, because we are an island nation
:51:46. > :51:49.and we have given opportunities to defend our borders, and what is
:51:50. > :51:52.wrong with that? Schengen is in trouble across Europe, of course,
:51:53. > :51:57.because we have seen unprecedented numbers crossing our borders. This
:51:58. > :52:00.year we will see big numbers coming from Afghanistan and that will be
:52:01. > :52:05.the next refugee crisis, so we have got to find ways of dealing with it,
:52:06. > :52:11.but they must be common ways. The idea that one country can solve this
:52:12. > :52:19.international crisis is observed for stop -- is absent. Britain outside
:52:20. > :52:25.the European Union can decide properly what our borders should be
:52:26. > :52:31.without this free movement. It is the free movement. People have the
:52:32. > :52:35.right... This is the issue, it goes to free movement of people. He says
:52:36. > :52:43.because we're not in Schengen we do not have this problem. What is
:52:44. > :52:46.happening at the bridge where Joe was reporting from, that is the
:52:47. > :52:52.situation, whether that is Heathrow Airport or Calais will stop we have
:52:53. > :52:54.the free movement of the workforce, and with the changes coming
:52:55. > :53:01.regarding the living wage, more people will come, and the average
:53:02. > :53:05.living wage will be ?9.70 and someone working a 40 hour week will
:53:06. > :53:10.be earning ?14,000 a year in the UK, and if you work on local figures in
:53:11. > :53:15.Romania, they will be on something like a quarter of that. It will
:53:16. > :53:18.remain attractive people to come here, so it is not just about
:53:19. > :53:22.controlling the border, it is about having the ability to decide who
:53:23. > :53:26.comes to live in the United Kingdom. The weakness of Schengen, it was
:53:27. > :53:30.always going to be as strong as the weakest external border. And since
:53:31. > :53:33.the borders of southern Italy and Greece have proved to be very weak
:53:34. > :53:38.indeed it was inevitable that Schengen could not survive. After
:53:39. > :53:42.the Paris attacks, reports in the Wall Street Journal that morning
:53:43. > :53:55.that the leader of the attack on Paris said he slept in Armonk EU
:53:56. > :54:05.refugees from Syria -- said he slipped in Armonk. -- amongst. Yes,
:54:06. > :54:12.there was not the check on the database, the terrorist database,
:54:13. > :54:15.and we are going to press for that to happen, but for everyone
:54:16. > :54:19.watching, we need robust checks at our borders, but to people that want
:54:20. > :54:24.to go on holiday to Spain and send their kids on a school exchange to
:54:25. > :54:29.Germany, and somebody who gets a job in Italy, they will not have to go
:54:30. > :54:34.down to an embassy in London, get a Visa and possibly be refused, your
:54:35. > :54:40.party leader says he would like to go back to the 1950s, which is what
:54:41. > :54:43.you used to have to do. We have international agreements, that is
:54:44. > :54:50.ridiculous. This is about a situation where we have... You want
:54:51. > :54:56.free movement? I want a British government which can decide policy
:54:57. > :55:04.without interference. I have got to stop you there. 20.
:55:05. > :55:08.Of all the nations in the European Union the Belgians
:55:09. > :55:10.are perhaps most comfortable with their EU membership.
:55:11. > :55:12.Belgium the home to many EU institutions of course
:55:13. > :55:16.But as Adam Fleming discovered the country itself is really
:55:17. > :55:25.The author Brigitte Raskin lives on the fault line that
:55:26. > :55:34.On this side we are in a Flemish town.
:55:35. > :55:48.This side, the street is called one thing in Flemish,
:55:49. > :55:53.on the other side, it is called something else in French.
:55:54. > :55:55.Here you have, we are in the Flemish community,
:55:56. > :55:57.and that is the French speaking community.
:55:58. > :56:01.This is the Flemish region, and that is Wallonia.
:56:02. > :56:04.The Flanders side of the street is also richer, better educated
:56:05. > :56:07.and has lower unemployment than the Wallonian side.
:56:08. > :56:11.Brigitte has written a book about the dispute which has complex
:56:12. > :56:15.historical origins, but very modern consequences.
:56:16. > :56:21.One day there was a man on a cycle who had an accident.
:56:22. > :56:26.His cycle was on the Flemish side and the man was on the Walloon side.
:56:27. > :56:35.In Brussels they are bilingual, and did I mention, in the east,
:56:36. > :56:37.there is a community which speaks German?
:56:38. > :56:40.It means an alphabet soup of multiple levels of government.
:56:41. > :56:45.Which I discovered at the Royal Palace.
:56:46. > :56:50.The king was hosting a New Year's reception for all of them.
:56:51. > :56:54.If you are into Belgian politics, which I have become in the last few
:56:55. > :57:01.On the reception line, the Prime Minister who runs
:57:02. > :57:03.the federal government which looks after the big stuff,
:57:04. > :57:07.along with the minister president of Flanders, his equivalent
:57:08. > :57:09.from Wallonia, and separate leaders representing the French,
:57:10. > :57:11.Dutch and German language communities,
:57:12. > :57:14.which all have their own parliaments, as well.
:57:15. > :57:17.The boss of the Brussels capital region was in there, as well.
:57:18. > :57:20.Although I'm not sure how many of the city's 19 mayors
:57:21. > :57:25.Even the local journalists need a list.
:57:26. > :57:37.Critics say that the spate of terrorist attacks allegedly
:57:38. > :57:39.planned in Belgium recently is a result of a weak
:57:40. > :57:44.Others, like Mark from the New Flemish Alliance,
:57:45. > :57:54.Do you think in 10 years Belgium will still exist as a country?
:57:55. > :58:00.I'm a strong believer in the fact that powers will shift.
:58:01. > :58:05.More and more powers will go to the regional level.
:58:06. > :58:08.Other powers, where there is an added value to work together,
:58:09. > :58:11.will be on a larger scale, but this larger scale
:58:12. > :58:14.will not be Belgium, because it is too small.
:58:15. > :58:17.At least you can guarantee some national unity this summer,
:58:18. > :58:19.soon it is Euro 2016 and Belgium's football team is the best
:58:20. > :58:38.Do you get a sense of evaporation when you are in Brussels? Yes,
:58:39. > :58:43.Brussels is the third part, it relies entirely on public funding,
:58:44. > :58:50.they have the institutions and Nato. Whether it is Belgium or island,
:58:51. > :58:51.Europe has been a unifying force which has been able to overcome
:58:52. > :58:58.division -- Ireland. OK, that is it.