10/02/2016

:00:36. > :00:41.Morning folks and welcome to the Daily Politics.

:00:42. > :00:47.Junior doctors in England walkout in a second 24 hour strike over

:00:48. > :00:54.changes to their contracts, providing only emergency care.

:00:55. > :00:57.Is there any end in sight to the doctors' dispute?

:00:58. > :00:59.Is there a level playing field in British politics?

:01:00. > :01:02.The Government says it wants to cut the cost of politics and make it

:01:03. > :01:05.fairer - but are they changing the rules for home advantage?

:01:06. > :01:07.It's plentiful, it's cheap, it's tasty.

:01:08. > :01:12.But can a vegan be persuaded of the virtues of

:01:13. > :01:17.Why a simple question is so difficult for Eurosceptic

:01:18. > :01:27.Let's wait and see, when this whole thing is agreed,

:01:28. > :01:29.and try and see what it really means.

:01:30. > :01:48.All that in the next 90 minutes, and with us for the duration today

:01:49. > :01:49.Shadow Environment Secretary, Kerry McCarthy,

:01:50. > :01:53.Last night Nick was engaged in a Twitter spat with pop singer

:01:54. > :01:58.Lily Allen over Pythagoras's theorem, with Nick asserting

:01:59. > :02:04.the importance of the theory in getting on in life.

:02:05. > :02:08.So you'll know that the Pythagorean equation is, Nick?

:02:09. > :02:15.These square of the high path use is equal to the square on the other

:02:16. > :02:21.side. Should I have taken the Nicky Morgan offence? -- defence. No, that

:02:22. > :02:24.is pretty good. Now - junior doctors in England have

:02:25. > :02:27.begun a second 24 hour strike over changes the Government wants

:02:28. > :02:29.to make to their contracts. In return for an increase

:02:30. > :02:31.in their basic pay, ministers want to reduce extra payments made

:02:32. > :02:34.to junior doctors for working But the doctors' union,

:02:35. > :02:38.the British Medical Association, says that overall the changes

:02:39. > :02:42.will still leave their members worse off and -

:02:43. > :02:46.they say - endanger patient safety. We're joined now from Milton Keynes

:02:47. > :02:49.by Dr David Rouse who is the Deputy Chairman of the BMA's

:02:50. > :03:00.Junior Doctors' Committee. One of the main areas of

:03:01. > :03:04.disagreement is whether Saturday should be classified as a normal

:03:05. > :03:11.working day. Why is it not a normal working day? I think it is because

:03:12. > :03:16.of our members, they say so, they have family commitments and caring

:03:17. > :03:19.commitments, and they extend well into the weekend and anti-social

:03:20. > :03:24.hours, and our membership are telling us that Saturday should be

:03:25. > :03:28.protected. The Conservatives think Saturday should be a normal day, if

:03:29. > :03:32.they are to meet their manifesto commitment, to introduce a seven-day

:03:33. > :03:37.NHS. Do you acknowledge that mandate? The seven-day NHS is

:03:38. > :03:40.important, but we have to realise that junior doctors are already

:03:41. > :03:47.providing good quality emergency care seven days a week. But not

:03:48. > :03:52.equally across-the-board. Emergency care is a very good quality in the

:03:53. > :03:55.NHS in the UK, Nicky look at elective care, providing that over

:03:56. > :04:01.seven days, that needs more doctors on the ground that but if you look

:04:02. > :04:06.at elective care. You cannot expect the care to remain the same, the

:04:07. > :04:09.junior doctors want a safe, fair contract the patients, to allow them

:04:10. > :04:13.to provide good quality care at all times and this is what the BMA are

:04:14. > :04:19.fighting for. If Saturdays were treated differently, to the way they

:04:20. > :04:26.are now, new still got the 11% basic pay increase, with the junior

:04:27. > :04:36.doctors drop the strike? -- and you still got. This is not just about we

:04:37. > :04:40.can pay, we think the contract -- weekend pay, we think the contract

:04:41. > :04:46.is about other things. We do not believe working at nine o'clock on a

:04:47. > :04:52.Friday evening is the same as working at two o'clock Tuesday, we

:04:53. > :04:57.think it will lead to burn out in doctors, this is not just about

:04:58. > :05:01.weekend working. Even if that was to be maintained, the contract as it

:05:02. > :05:06.is, it would not be enough for you at this stage? You would want

:05:07. > :05:11.recruitment drives to heighten the number of doctors and nurses and

:05:12. > :05:19.radiologists, for example, as well as keeping Saturday sacrosanct for

:05:20. > :05:22.junior doctors? This is about safety, you are making good points,

:05:23. > :05:27.this is not just about having junior doctors at the weekend. If this was

:05:28. > :05:32.to be a seven-day NHS we need other forms of health care professionals

:05:33. > :05:37.at the weekend, like radiologists and nurses, this all requires money.

:05:38. > :05:41.Junior doctors are saying the changes being imposed by the

:05:42. > :05:46.government, we feel are unsafe, fundamentally, and this is why we

:05:47. > :05:50.are here today on strike, while providing good quality emergency

:05:51. > :05:54.care for patients, as well. Junior doctors do not do this lightly, they

:05:55. > :05:59.are here because they are angry and they want to provide safe care for

:06:00. > :06:02.their patients, not just now, but for generations to come, we want to

:06:03. > :06:06.protect the NHS and this is why junior doctors are here today. This

:06:07. > :06:11.is about the NHS as well as junior doctors. The government says it will

:06:12. > :06:17.impose the new contract, what will you do then? If the government do

:06:18. > :06:21.that, our members will continue to fight this, we have to do that, but

:06:22. > :06:28.our door is always open and we want to go back to talks. We want to go

:06:29. > :06:31.back to fair talks, talks with the threat of imposition are not fair

:06:32. > :06:40.talks, we want the government to see sense and a compromise with us. We

:06:41. > :06:43.want it to be safer for doctors and patients and for the NHS. We could

:06:44. > :06:48.see rolling strikes if they impose it? Further action would be

:06:49. > :06:52.discussed with the membership, but whatever action we take we will make

:06:53. > :06:55.sure it is safe for patients, today we are taking emergency care only

:06:56. > :07:00.action and we have senior doctors providing quality care for patients

:07:01. > :07:03.right now. This is about providing safe patient care and that is what

:07:04. > :07:09.we want for the future and this is why we are here, taking strike

:07:10. > :07:14.action today. Thanks for joining us. Is this a strike about the safety of

:07:15. > :07:22.care in the NHS or the overtime rate on Saturday? It is about safety and

:07:23. > :07:27.a seven-day week have service, which we said we wanted in our manifesto.

:07:28. > :07:31.If you are ill at the weekend you are less likely to be treated as

:07:32. > :07:36.well as you are in the week. The figures are disputed. There are a

:07:37. > :07:40.third fewer doctors on the rotor at the weekend, and it would be easier

:07:41. > :07:44.for the government to not reform this public service, but we have a

:07:45. > :07:48.commitment and we are doing so. What we are seeing are the vested

:07:49. > :07:51.interests fighting against these reforms, the same thing we see in

:07:52. > :07:58.education, we have resistance from the teacher unions and here we have

:07:59. > :08:02.resistance from the BMA. Was it ever realistic to extend the NHS into a

:08:03. > :08:08.kind of all singing all dancing seven-day week operation on existing

:08:09. > :08:14.budgets? Surely you need more money to be able to do on a Sunday what

:08:15. > :08:19.you would normally do on a Tuesday? There is more money going into the

:08:20. > :08:22.health service. We have a strong economy and we are able to put more

:08:23. > :08:28.money into this. But not for this. That is what the negotiations are

:08:29. > :08:32.about, there are no pay cuts for junior doctors. The overall pay

:08:33. > :08:37.package is not rising. So there's no more money going in. We expect

:08:38. > :08:41.doctors to be on call and to be available seven days a week, that is

:08:42. > :08:57.the purpose of why would you not pay them over time? You intend to bake

:08:58. > :09:03.-- pay them the same weekly rate. They will be extirpate beyond five

:09:04. > :09:12.o'clock and extirpated Sundays. -- extirpate beyond five o'clock and

:09:13. > :09:18.extra pay on Sundays. There are many people who work at weekends. And

:09:19. > :09:23.they get overtime. Why were they not get overtime for a Saturday? It may

:09:24. > :09:27.not be a big rate, but surely recognise that Saturday is

:09:28. > :09:30.different. You want more of them to work on a Saturday and therefore

:09:31. > :09:37.they should be paid more than the basic rate? This is all part of the

:09:38. > :09:41.negotiations, this includes an 11% raise in the basic package for

:09:42. > :09:46.junior doctors. David Dalton has said that they were very close to an

:09:47. > :09:49.agreement, very close them so the idea that they are going on strike

:09:50. > :09:53.and threatening more strikes, that is irresponsible, and that is not

:09:54. > :09:57.how we should be handling these important discussions, about how we

:09:58. > :10:06.have a safer health service with doctors spending a few hours --

:10:07. > :10:11.spending a few hours on the walls. This is what we are determined to

:10:12. > :10:14.achieve because that is why we set out in our manifesto and this is not

:10:15. > :10:20.the way that any union should be handling these negotiations. You

:10:21. > :10:24.would not want to start from here, but what would you do to end the

:10:25. > :10:29.strike? Would you offer them Saturday as overtime? The important

:10:30. > :10:34.thing is not for politicians to negotiate, it is for people to get

:10:35. > :10:38.around the BMA and listen to what the doctors are saying. There was a

:10:39. > :10:46.deal which was almost reached, but Jeremy Hunt vetoed it. We don't know

:10:47. > :10:49.that. No, but we've heard that Jeremy Hunt is seen as the obstacle

:10:50. > :10:54.to them reaching a deal. The important thing is to listen to what

:10:55. > :10:58.junior doctors are saying, I spent the day before Christmas shadowing

:10:59. > :11:01.junior doctors in my local hospital and these are people who are

:11:02. > :11:05.dedicated to the work they do and they are already working much longer

:11:06. > :11:08.hours than they are being paid for, because they don't just walk away

:11:09. > :11:15.from the job at five o'clock and down tools. Should they be paid in

:11:16. > :11:20.overtime rate on Saturday? That is unsocial hours, and I think, yes,

:11:21. > :11:27.that is something they should be common sated for. If they did that,

:11:28. > :11:33.that would end the dispute? -- compensated. That is part of it,

:11:34. > :11:36.there is something about the extra payment starting at midday on

:11:37. > :11:39.Saturday, but most junior doctors will work one weekend in three at

:11:40. > :11:45.the moment anyway, it is not that they don't want to take part in the

:11:46. > :11:47.seven-day week NHS, but they want people to recognise how

:11:48. > :11:54.overstretched and undivided they are. Junior doctors can be quite

:11:55. > :11:57.senior, they can have worked in the health service for long time, and

:11:58. > :12:02.they don't feel valued. Isn't that the point? Junior doctors already

:12:03. > :12:07.stretched in the way, and your plan, without adding to their numbers, is

:12:08. > :12:15.to spread them more evenly over seven days, to provide for cover at

:12:16. > :12:21.the weekend? By definition they become even more stretched in the

:12:22. > :12:25.week. The part that the negotiations is to have a lower limit on the

:12:26. > :12:28.number of hours overtime worked, so we increase safety for those

:12:29. > :12:33.doctors, that is one of the issues, that is part of the dispute. The

:12:34. > :12:38.extra hours they were working, they were generating income, and that has

:12:39. > :12:43.been part of the dispute. They say they are already stretched on

:12:44. > :12:46.Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and now you say they will not have to work

:12:47. > :12:53.as many hours, but they will be working more hours at the weekend to

:12:54. > :12:56.give us the seven-day week service, but this surely means they will be

:12:57. > :12:59.even more stretched if you are not adding more doctors and you are

:13:00. > :13:06.going to spread the same number out over seven days question not that is

:13:07. > :13:12.logical. -- out over seven days? We have employed more doctors, 5000

:13:13. > :13:21.more cover since we came to office in 2010, -- 5000 more, since became

:13:22. > :13:28.to office in 2010. Animal junior doctors have you added? This will

:13:29. > :13:30.depend, the funding is therefore the health service, we have increased

:13:31. > :13:35.the number of doctors and nurses since 2010, and you have got to have

:13:36. > :13:40.the wealth to generate that. I understand that. You can't promise

:13:41. > :13:45.that, unless you have the funds to deliver that. But we have a strong

:13:46. > :13:50.economy and we can do that. 90% have said they will walk away if the

:13:51. > :13:55.contract is imposed on them. Is there a chance they can impose it on

:13:56. > :14:01.them? Yes, they have said that. When that be the mother of all fights?

:14:02. > :14:05.This is no way to conduct negotiations, trade union should not

:14:06. > :14:10.be doing this with a professional body, negotiating in this way, it is

:14:11. > :14:14.a very irresponsible thing, 3000 apartments have had to be cancelled

:14:15. > :14:19.and that is no way to handle it. -- 3000 operations. They are bobbins

:14:20. > :14:26.with the morale, and also in teaching, you have seen the report

:14:27. > :14:31.-- there are problems with the morale, and also in teaching, you

:14:32. > :14:36.have seen that report? The report says, despite the challenge of a

:14:37. > :14:42.strong economy. Some would say it is a crisis. Despite those challenges

:14:43. > :14:45.of a very tight and increasingly competitive graduate recruitment

:14:46. > :14:50.market, there are more teachers now in teaching than ever before and the

:14:51. > :14:55.pupil teacher ratio has remained stable and more people are coming

:14:56. > :15:02.into teaching than are leaving. The other statistics, the number of

:15:03. > :15:06.vacancies has increased by a third, indicators suggest that teacher

:15:07. > :15:11.shortages are growing between 2011 and 2014, the recorded rate of

:15:12. > :15:16.vacancies more than doubled from 0.5% of the teaching workforce to

:15:17. > :15:19.1.2% and and is increasing. The number of teachers leaving the

:15:20. > :15:25.profession has gone up by 11% over three years. You say this as a

:15:26. > :15:34.challenge. This is a crisis. It is quite rare for them to use such

:15:35. > :15:35.strong words. They say they can't approve this because of the

:15:36. > :15:47.statistics I've just read out. 3000 more teachers the year leaving.

:15:48. > :15:51.Going in the wrong direction. It is a consequence of a very strong

:15:52. > :15:57.economy. We are addressing all these challenges by having very generous

:15:58. > :16:01.new bursaries to encourage more physics, maths and English... They

:16:02. > :16:06.are saying there are problems there, across all secondary subject,

:16:07. > :16:11.particularly 14 out of 17 had unfulfilled training places and this

:16:12. > :16:15.is getting worse at secondary level, compared with just two subjects five

:16:16. > :16:19.years ago. All the statistics about the wrong way, whatever the

:16:20. > :16:24.challenges. I say to you it is because of a freeze on public sector

:16:25. > :16:28.pay. We have the highest number of teachers in our history in our

:16:29. > :16:33.classrooms today. More people coming into teaching. Why have you got more

:16:34. > :16:38.vacancies, more people leaving? Because of the challenge of a strong

:16:39. > :16:40.economy. There are lots of opportunities for physics graduates,

:16:41. > :16:47.maths graduates and foreign-language graduates... It is not an attractive

:16:48. > :16:52.prospect because of pay freeze. That is not true. There are increasing

:16:53. > :16:56.numbers of return is coming. But it is a challenge of a strong economy

:16:57. > :16:59.and we are addressing that challenged by having generous

:17:00. > :17:04.bursaries. We have expanded charities like teach first. We want

:17:05. > :17:10.everybody to be helping us to encourage people to come into

:17:11. > :17:16.teaching, spreading and Megan negative message. They also point

:17:17. > :17:20.out that despite all those challenges, more people coming into

:17:21. > :17:25.teaching than leaving for some there are challenges, a very strong

:17:26. > :17:29.economy, something we wouldn't have if we had a Labour government. But

:17:30. > :17:34.we are taking measures to attract more top graduates to come into

:17:35. > :17:36.teaching. This year's figures show 2000 more undergraduates coming into

:17:37. > :17:38.teaching than last year. OK, thank you.

:17:39. > :17:41.Now - the General Secretary of the TUC will deliver a petition

:17:42. > :17:43.today signed by 200,000 people in opposition

:17:44. > :17:46.to the Government's Trade Union Bill - a bill that's being debated

:17:47. > :17:48.in the Lords this afternoon, where it's facing considerable opposition.

:17:49. > :17:50.It's amongst a number of controversial measures

:17:51. > :17:54.the Government is taking to change the way politics is in Britain

:17:55. > :17:59.It's a rough old game politics, and the Government

:18:00. > :18:05.One big reform is the way unions fund the Labour party.

:18:06. > :18:08.At the moment, union members are given the option

:18:09. > :18:12.to opt out of paying into their political fund.

:18:13. > :18:14.The Government believes this is unfair and instead argues union

:18:15. > :18:21.What's more, George Osborne has also announced

:18:22. > :18:24.short money, which is given to all political parties to allow

:18:25. > :18:26.them to carry out their parliamentary work, will be

:18:27. > :18:33.Labour are crying foul and claim the moves could cost them up to

:18:34. > :18:37.It's not only Labour who are taking a mauling,

:18:38. > :18:40.the charity sector is angry over proposals which would mean

:18:41. > :18:42.charities would no longer be able spend central government grants

:18:43. > :18:48.The Government argues taxpayers money should only be spent

:18:49. > :18:53.on helping people, however National Council

:18:54. > :18:56.for Voluntary Organisations call it an 'insane policy'.

:18:57. > :18:59.It's not just about money, the Government has reformed voter

:19:00. > :19:05.Now everyone must register individually, instead

:19:06. > :19:07.of by household, and Labour argue the changes

:19:08. > :19:09.are happening too quickly and many people will slip

:19:10. > :19:26.Thank you Jo Co. Two big weaknesses of our party funding system is

:19:27. > :19:32.Labour's overdependence on the unions and your overdependence on

:19:33. > :19:36.rich headphones, people in private equity and Russian oligarchs. Why

:19:37. > :19:41.have you only decided to deal with the union side and not with your own

:19:42. > :19:44.way of funding? Each of those issues are right in their own right. It is

:19:45. > :19:52.important that you don't just have your money taken from your salary to

:19:53. > :19:58.pay into a party, party coffers, but you have to actively opt in. If you

:19:59. > :20:01.say you have to opt out of an insurance policy when you buy a

:20:02. > :20:05.television set, there would be uproar. The same principle applies

:20:06. > :20:10.to joining a trade union. You should have to opt in to pay the levy, not

:20:11. > :20:13.actively opt out. It has been the policy of every previous

:20:14. > :20:18.Conservative government since the 1920s to allow an opt out rather

:20:19. > :20:23.than an opt in, what has changed? It is wrong in principle. The Winston

:20:24. > :20:29.Churchill government, the Thatcher government were wrong in principle?

:20:30. > :20:36.In those past governments you mentioned the closed shop was

:20:37. > :20:40.lawful. Mrs Thatcher abolished the closed shop but did not abolish the

:20:41. > :20:44.opt out procedure. She should have done and Winston Churchill should

:20:45. > :20:54.have got rid of the closed shop. Supposing you are right, why would

:20:55. > :21:01.you also not deal with the fact that unregulated hedge funds managers,

:21:02. > :21:04.unregulated private equity, people who don't reside here very much,

:21:05. > :21:10.like Russian oligarchs, can donate unlimited sums of money to the

:21:11. > :21:14.Conservatives? Unlimited. They can give unlimited sums to other

:21:15. > :21:19.political parties, the Liberal party and the Labour Party, and they do.

:21:20. > :21:25.Should there not be a limit? There is a limit. Anything over ?5,000 has

:21:26. > :21:29.to be declared. In a free society you have to allow people use their

:21:30. > :21:33.money to make a political case, so long as it is transparent and

:21:34. > :21:38.declared. We try to have party discussions in the last Parliament,

:21:39. > :21:42.to try and resolve this party funding overall and it collapsed.

:21:43. > :21:46.The alternative is to have taxpayer funded party funding and that is not

:21:47. > :21:52.something the public wants. Most trade union members do not vote

:21:53. > :21:57.Labour. So why shouldn't there be the principle that if you join a

:21:58. > :22:01.trade union, you are then asked do you also want to contribute to the

:22:02. > :22:05.Labour Party? And if you do you tick a box, rather than being

:22:06. > :22:10.automatically taken, without you getting the chance? It is

:22:11. > :22:13.contributing to the trade unions political fund, which they would use

:22:14. > :22:17.to make donations to the Labour Party and also to campaign on a

:22:18. > :22:21.range of issues. We had the Collins review named after our previous

:22:22. > :22:28.General Secretary that was looking at issues like that. We were looking

:22:29. > :22:31.at moving perhaps, reforms to how the party is funded by the unions.

:22:32. > :22:35.What the Government is doing now, as you said in your opening question,

:22:36. > :22:40.this is entirely one-sided. This is an attack on the trade unions and

:22:41. > :22:44.relationship with Labour. We are also seeing an attack on the way

:22:45. > :22:50.charities are engaged. I take your point of view. What I'm asking you

:22:51. > :22:53.about the principle, even if it is one-sided, it could be wrong they

:22:54. > :22:57.are not trying to clear up both sides, that was the implication

:22:58. > :23:02.behind my question. But what is wrong with the principle, given that

:23:03. > :23:06.most trade union members are not Labour voters, that if they want

:23:07. > :23:10.their fees, a chunk of their fees to go to the Labour Party, that that

:23:11. > :23:14.should be an explicit act, rather than something that has happened?

:23:15. > :23:18.With the Collins review we were looking up at bringing that in over

:23:19. > :23:23.a number of years. So you do concede in principle? I think in principle

:23:24. > :23:28.that is something we are ready to look at. But what this government is

:23:29. > :23:36.doing with the Bill now, it would be a three-month here. The legislation

:23:37. > :23:41.comes in. Not long. The huge logistical effort. There is also

:23:42. > :23:43.something about not allowing electrical ballots being done

:23:44. > :23:48.online, so the sheer cost of the trade unions of operating this. We

:23:49. > :23:53.have just seen Bernie Sanders win an amazing victory in New Hampshire,

:23:54. > :24:00.2-1 over Hillary Clinton and she runs the biggest political machine

:24:01. > :24:06.in America and there is a lot of money in the Clinton machine. Bernie

:24:07. > :24:16.Sanders managed 3 million individual donations, not big money most of it,

:24:17. > :24:21.I heard him last night, at about 2:30am, most donations under $100.

:24:22. > :24:26.Why can't you, Labour and Conservative do that in this

:24:27. > :24:29.country? I think that is something Labour wanted to move toward. There

:24:30. > :24:33.is nothing stopping you. We now have more than 370,000 members, double

:24:34. > :24:41.what they were in the general election. ?3 to join. We do want to

:24:42. > :24:44.move away from the big donations dominating politics, but it is far

:24:45. > :24:49.more of an issue, the Conservatives have their black and white for ball

:24:50. > :24:56.where you had people paying huge amounts of money. This year it

:24:57. > :24:59.wasn't so much, but I take point! You have some people who sometimes

:25:00. > :25:03.don't even have much of a connection to politics in the UK paying a lot

:25:04. > :25:07.of money. We are not able to do that in the Labour Party. We are funded

:25:08. > :25:12.by ordinary people, through trade unions or Alan mentioned. We have

:25:13. > :25:17.what many people regarded, not necessarily against what you do in

:25:18. > :25:20.the unions, but see it as one-sided. Hitting Labour sources rather than

:25:21. > :25:24.doing anything about your own. You are now putting tougher rules in the

:25:25. > :25:29.charities and what they can do with money. Changing voter registration.

:25:30. > :25:33.That may be right or wrong but certainly more of a help to you than

:25:34. > :25:37.to Labour. You add it all up and it kind of looks like the arrogance of

:25:38. > :25:42.power. Each of those issues is writing its own right. We had the

:25:43. > :25:47.problems in Tower Hamlets, the election courts were condemning the

:25:48. > :25:52.use of ghost voters. We are tackling those voters. These changes to your

:25:53. > :25:56.advantage. What we want is an electoral register that has

:25:57. > :25:59.integrity. We had this system in Northern Ireland since 2002 and it

:26:00. > :26:03.has worked perfectly well. In terms of charities lobbying, when people

:26:04. > :26:05.give money to charities or charities use public money that we pay to

:26:06. > :26:09.provide services we don't expect that money to be used for political

:26:10. > :26:14.lobbying. Charities are not there just to provide services, they are

:26:15. > :26:17.there if they feel the law is penalising people, that they are

:26:18. > :26:22.there to help. I think is right for them to lobby those issues. The

:26:23. > :26:27.attack on charities in some ways is even more important. We want that

:26:28. > :26:31.money spent on vulnerable people and the services they are meant to be

:26:32. > :26:34.providing. We will have two comeback because we're up against PMQs.

:26:35. > :26:39.Every week we give you the chance to get hold of a coveted

:26:40. > :26:42.All that we ask is that you carefully watch a finely crafted

:26:43. > :26:45.piece of film containing music and archive from a particular year

:26:46. > :26:47.and then guess which year they're from.

:26:48. > :26:49.But - rather than relying on your own knowledge -

:26:50. > :27:00.some of you, we suspect, are using the internet.

:27:01. > :27:04.Or the World Wide Web as Gordon Brown used to call it.

:27:05. > :27:07.Now - this may help you get hold of a mug -

:27:08. > :27:10.but as our guest of the day, Schools' Minister, Nick Gibb,

:27:11. > :27:13.has said - and I quote here - "It is mistaken to believe you can

:27:14. > :27:17.outsource your memory to Google and still expect to think well",

:27:18. > :27:21.You should speak to the researchers on this programme!

:27:22. > :27:25.And now - with or without the assistance of Google -

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:27:34. > :27:52.# Oh, oh, oh, you're never coming back.#

:27:53. > :28:00.Your party's long history of anti-Semitism...

:28:01. > :28:05.Why don't you apologise, you gutless coward?!

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:28:14. > :28:50.Good to see people enjoying themselves.

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:29:03. > :29:14.It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -

:29:15. > :29:16.and that can mean only one thing: Yes, Prime Minister's Questions

:29:17. > :29:20.And that's not all - Laura Kuenssberg is here.

:29:21. > :29:29.Welcome. What is buzzing this morning, what is happening, what is

:29:30. > :29:32.going on? There are huge amounts of attention on junior doctors strikes,

:29:33. > :29:37.thousands of doctors not going to work today. A big stand-off between

:29:38. > :29:41.the BMA and Jeremy Hunt, and no sign of a resolution on the horizon. I

:29:42. > :29:44.think Jeremy Corbyn is going to choose not to talk about that. The

:29:45. > :29:48.last doctors strike we thought surely he will raise it, he didn't,

:29:49. > :29:55.he rose something else instead. I think today he may return to one of

:29:56. > :30:00.his favourite issues, housing. Especially on this policy of paid to

:30:01. > :30:08.stay council tenants who start to earn better, ?30,000 a year after

:30:09. > :30:12.start paying market rent and council properties. We know this is an issue

:30:13. > :30:18.very dear to Jeremy Corbyn's heart, council housing. Do we know it

:30:19. > :30:25.affects a lot of people? There was a report at the weekend, which is why

:30:26. > :30:30.I think he might raise it at the PMQ 's. I think it might propel it into

:30:31. > :30:34.PMQ 's. They couldn't afford the higher rent? Couldn't afford the

:30:35. > :30:40.market rent because they were earning more but the jump would be

:30:41. > :30:45.higher than the comparative jump in their salaries. As ever, with

:30:46. > :30:49.statistics, we know PMQ 's can descend into a war of statistics,

:30:50. > :30:53.with statistics about the potential impact of policy. It is not that

:30:54. > :30:56.easy to be precise about what the impact would be. I wouldn't be

:30:57. > :31:01.surprised if there might not be a rather cheeky question as Jeremy

:31:02. > :31:05.Corbyn likes to use questions from the public, from Mary Cameron from

:31:06. > :31:13.oxygen. Just briefly, explain why? -- from Oxfordshire. Who likes being

:31:14. > :31:22.told off by them on? Not least the priming do, publicly. -- not least

:31:23. > :31:27.the Prime Minister. Mary Cameron has got involved in a campaign to stop

:31:28. > :31:32.cuts to nursery services. This is a raw nerve for David Cameron not just

:31:33. > :31:38.because of that issue but his council leader made public a letter

:31:39. > :31:44.David Cameron wrote to him after complaining about cuts. A big issue

:31:45. > :31:48.for lots of people around the country, an embarrassing one for

:31:49. > :31:51.David Cameron. He doesn't go on what something that has been a problem

:31:52. > :31:57.for the Prime Minister in the last 72 hours. He has taken on Europe. Is

:31:58. > :32:01.because he's uncomfortable with Europe? There are lots of reporters

:32:02. > :32:07.morning and conversations with people in the Shadow Cabinet, I am

:32:08. > :32:10.sure Kerry will have a view on this, about how full throttle Jeremy

:32:11. > :32:16.Corbyn will be in his support for staying in the European union. I saw

:32:17. > :32:22.a report this morning that he wasn't planning to take part in any remain

:32:23. > :32:28.rally. That is something that has been suggested. It was put to me

:32:29. > :32:35.yesterday. We will come back to that. First, we go

:32:36. > :32:44.I know the House has been saddened by the death of Harry Harper, after

:32:45. > :32:47.a great career, an adviser to David Blunkett, he was returned to this

:32:48. > :32:52.place last May, succeeding David Blunkett himself. He was in this

:32:53. > :32:54.place a short time and became a popular MP, recognised for his

:32:55. > :32:59.commitment to his constituents and his beliefs. He continued to carry

:33:00. > :33:06.out his work, as an MP, throughout his treatment, we offer his wife and

:33:07. > :33:09.their five children our condolences. This morning I had meetings with

:33:10. > :33:15.ministerial colleagues and in additional to Mike Judy 's in this

:33:16. > :33:23.House, I will have further comments to make -- in addition to my duties

:33:24. > :33:26.in this House. I would like to agree about the sad loss for the member of

:33:27. > :33:29.Sheffield and Hillsborough, he came to this House with an excellent

:33:30. > :33:35.record in local government and will be sadly missed. The whole House

:33:36. > :33:40.send our condolences to his family at this sad time. Housing is the

:33:41. > :33:48.number one issue in my constituency, queries on a workable local plan,

:33:49. > :33:53.looking after our green spaces and strongly offering the Conservative

:33:54. > :33:59.value of the right to buy, would the Prime Minister agree that the help

:34:00. > :34:03.to buy items, with one being taken out every 30 seconds, is the right

:34:04. > :34:17.way to promote savings and encourage homeownership? -- ISAs. I agree,

:34:18. > :34:25.that is why these help to buy ISAs, where we matched the money they put

:34:26. > :34:29.in, it can ready help, and so what we have seen under this government,

:34:30. > :34:32.is 40,000 people exercise their right to buy their council House,

:34:33. > :34:37.now we're extending that to all housing association tenants and we

:34:38. > :34:41.have seen 130,000 people would help to buy, getting the first flat or

:34:42. > :34:47.the first House, and there is more to do, mostly building houses, but

:34:48. > :34:55.helping people with their deposits is vital. Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you,

:34:56. > :34:58.Mr Speaker. I joined the Prime Minister and the member for

:34:59. > :35:04.Eastleigh in paying tribute to Harry Harper, the Honourable member for

:35:05. > :35:07.Sheffield and Hillsborough, a former miner who passed away last week,

:35:08. > :35:12.just a short time ago Harry used his glass question here to ask the Prime

:35:13. > :35:18.Minister questions about the Sheffield Masters and the steel

:35:19. > :35:25.industry -- his last question. I hope the primers to reflects on his

:35:26. > :35:31.-- hope the Prime Minister reflects on his diligence regarding that part

:35:32. > :35:38.of his committee. I said to his wife, how would they like to

:35:39. > :35:41.remember Harry? She said, we have admired the bravery and carriage he

:35:42. > :35:45.showed in his life, which was formed in June the miners strike and which

:35:46. > :35:55.carried him forward for the rest of his life -- which was formed jeering

:35:56. > :36:02.the miners strike. People will remember him as a decent man, and we

:36:03. > :36:05.are very sad at his passing. Mr Speaker, also following the member

:36:06. > :36:12.for Eastleigh, I have a question on housing. I have an e-mail from

:36:13. > :36:16.Rosie, cheese in her 20s. -- she is in her 20s. CHEERING

:36:17. > :36:34.LAUGHTER Unfortunately, the Rosie who has

:36:35. > :36:43.written to me does not have the same good housing that the Chief Whip of

:36:44. > :36:50.our party does. But aspiration springs eternal. The Rosie who has

:36:51. > :36:58.written to me, cheese in 20s and she says, " -- she is in her 20s and she

:36:59. > :37:05.says, "I worked very hard at my job and I'm still having to live at home

:37:06. > :37:09.with my parents, the lack of housing options are forcing her to consider

:37:10. > :37:15.moving, she says. She asks the Prime Minister, what action it he is going

:37:16. > :37:20.to take to help young people and families suffering from on realistic

:37:21. > :37:27.healths prizes and uncapped rents to get somewhere safe and secure to

:37:28. > :37:30.live? -- House prices. When you get a letter from the Chief Whip, that

:37:31. > :37:38.normally spells trouble, I should say. What I would say to Rosie, we

:37:39. > :37:41.want to do everything we can to help young people get on the housing

:37:42. > :37:47.ladder, that is why we have these help to save ISAs and I hope she is

:37:48. > :37:51.looking at that, we are cutting taxes and she will be able to earn

:37:52. > :37:56.?11,000 before she starts paying any taxes. If Rosie is a tenant in a

:37:57. > :37:59.housing association home, she can buy that home because we are

:38:00. > :38:04.introducing and extending the right to buy, and with help to bite she

:38:05. > :38:09.will have the opportunity to register for help to buy which gives

:38:10. > :38:13.people the chance to have a small deposit, but still a chance of

:38:14. > :38:18.owning their own home. If she wants to be a homeowner, shared ownership

:38:19. > :38:21.can make a real difference and in some parts of the country you will

:38:22. > :38:27.need a deposit of just a few thousand pounds to begin the process

:38:28. > :38:32.of becoming a homeowner, but Ira lies that building more houses, we

:38:33. > :38:37.have got to deliver for Rosie -- but building more buildings. I'm very

:38:38. > :38:41.pleased that the Prime Minister would like to help deliver decent

:38:42. > :38:46.housing, Rosie lives and works in London, as the Prime Minister knows,

:38:47. > :38:50.London is very expensive. He talks about people getting on the housing

:38:51. > :38:55.ladder, but the reality is, home ownership has fallen under his

:38:56. > :38:58.government by 200,000 and it rose by a million and the last Labour

:38:59. > :39:04.government, and his record is one of actually some years of failure on

:39:05. > :39:08.housing. He said that council homes sold on the right to buy would be

:39:09. > :39:12.replaced like the like, can be primers to tell us how that policy

:39:13. > :39:22.is panning out? -- Gandhi Prime Minister. -- can the Prime Minister.

:39:23. > :39:25.What happened under Labour, one council home was built for every

:39:26. > :39:33.hundred and seven seat council homes they sold. That is the record --

:39:34. > :39:36.170. We have said we will make sure that two homes are built for every

:39:37. > :39:43.council home in London, that is so, that is because the member for

:39:44. > :39:47.Richmond insisted on that in an amendment to the housing bill. These

:39:48. > :39:54.take some years to build, but the money that they will be built, the

:39:55. > :39:59.money comes back to the Treasury. The Prime Minister should be aware

:40:00. > :40:04.that just one home has been built for every eight that have been sold

:40:05. > :40:10.under his government. People are increasingly finding it very devil

:40:11. > :40:13.called find anywhere to live. The Chancellor's crude cuts in housing

:40:14. > :40:18.benefit for those in supported housing, they are putting at risk

:40:19. > :40:21.hundreds of thousands of elderly people, people with mental health

:40:22. > :40:25.condition, war veterans and women fleeing domestic violence unit

:40:26. > :40:30.support. Can the Prime Minister tell the House what estimate housing

:40:31. > :40:36.dividers have made in terms of the impact of this policy on supported

:40:37. > :40:42.housing? We are going to increase housing supply in the social sector

:40:43. > :40:47.by an ?8 billion housing budget gym this parliament which will build

:40:48. > :40:51.400,000 affordable homes. When it comes to our reforms of housing

:40:52. > :40:54.benefit, yes, we have cut housing benefit, because it was out of

:40:55. > :41:00.control when we came to government. There were families in London who

:41:01. > :41:05.were getting ?100,000 of housing benefit per family. Think how many

:41:06. > :41:11.people, think how many Rosie's were going to work, working hard, just to

:41:12. > :41:16.provide that housing benefit for one family. We support supported housing

:41:17. > :41:20.schemes and we will look very carefully to make sure they can work

:41:21. > :41:26.well in the future, but I make no apology for the fact that in this

:41:27. > :41:30.parliament we are cutting social rents, so for Rosie, for example,

:41:31. > :41:35.living in social housing, going out to work but she will have lower rent

:41:36. > :41:40.under this government. I'm pleased the Prime Minister got onto the

:41:41. > :41:43.question of supported housing. Housing providers estimate that

:41:44. > :41:49.nearly half of all supported housing schemes will close, one in four

:41:50. > :41:53.providers are set to close all of their provision, this is a very

:41:54. > :42:00.serious crisis. I assume the Prime Minister is not content to people

:42:01. > :42:03.with mental health conditions with nowhere to live, so can he assure

:42:04. > :42:08.the House that the warm words he has given on supported housing will be

:42:09. > :42:13.matched by action and he will stop this cut which will destroy this

:42:14. > :42:15.supported housing sector? We will continue to support the supported

:42:16. > :42:20.housing sector and the report that he quotes from, it was an opinion

:42:21. > :42:24.poll with an extremely leading question, if he actually looks at

:42:25. > :42:29.what it was he was looking at. The changes that we are making, reducing

:42:30. > :42:33.social rents by 1%, every year for four years, that is good news for

:42:34. > :42:37.people who go out to work and work hard and like to pay less rent. That

:42:38. > :42:40.goes with the lower taxes they will be paying and the more childcare

:42:41. > :42:45.they will be getting, and the other change we are making which does not

:42:46. > :42:49.come into force until 2018, is to make sure that we are not paying

:42:50. > :42:52.housing benefit to social tenants way above what we would pay to

:42:53. > :42:57.private sector tenants. The simple point is this, and this is where I

:42:58. > :43:02.think Labour had got to focus, every penny you spend on housing subsidy

:43:03. > :43:07.is money you can't spend on building houses -- have got to focus. Let's

:43:08. > :43:10.take this right back to Rosie in the beginning, it she would like a

:43:11. > :43:13.country where we build homes that she would like a country where she

:43:14. > :43:17.can buy a home, she would like a country with a strong economy so you

:43:18. > :43:26.can afford to buy a home, all of those things we are delivering, but

:43:27. > :43:29.you will not deliver these if you go on subsidising housing, and the

:43:30. > :43:32.welfare benefit, one day Labour has got to realise that the welfare

:43:33. > :43:39.benefit has got to be brought under control. -- the welfare system.

:43:40. > :43:42.Shelter estimates that the measures in the housing bill will lose

:43:43. > :43:46.180,000 affordable homes over the next four years. The Prime Minister

:43:47. > :43:50.is overseeing a very damaging housing crisis, it is prising out

:43:51. > :43:56.people from buying, it is not providing enough social housing,

:43:57. > :44:01.therefore many people are forced to rely on the private rented sector.

:44:02. > :44:07.The benches behind him recently voted against an amendment but

:44:08. > :44:14.forward by my honourable friend or homes to be fit for human

:44:15. > :44:17.habitation. -- for. Labour invested ?22 billion in government, in

:44:18. > :44:23.bringing social homes at two decent homes standard, and there are now 11

:44:24. > :44:28.million people in this country who are private renters. Does the Prime

:44:29. > :44:35.Minister know how many of those homes do not meet the decent homes

:44:36. > :44:39.standard? To listen to Labour, when in the last five years, we built for

:44:40. > :44:46.council houses than they built in 13 years. -- we built more. Where was

:44:47. > :44:53.he? Where was he when that was going on? 13 years and I hope this record

:44:54. > :44:58.on housing. What we are doing is an ?8 billion housing budget, that will

:44:59. > :45:01.provide 400,000 new affordable homes and a target to build a million

:45:02. > :45:04.homes during this Parliament, getting housing benefit down so we

:45:05. > :45:10.can spend money on housing and having a strong economy that can

:45:11. > :45:16.support the housing we need. Mr Speaker, I was asking through you,

:45:17. > :45:21.the Prime Minister, how many of the 11 million renters are living in

:45:22. > :45:28.homes that are not going to make the decent homes standard and therefore

:45:29. > :45:33.are substandard? 1000 of those in the private rented sector do not

:45:34. > :45:38.meet that standard and shells found six out of ten renters have issues

:45:39. > :45:43.like damp, mould, leaking roofs and Windows, it is simply not good

:45:44. > :45:47.enough -- shelter found. Millions are struggling to get the homes they

:45:48. > :45:51.deserve, more families slipping into temporary accommodation,

:45:52. > :45:55.homelessness rising, too few homes being built, social housing under

:45:56. > :45:59.pressure, families forced into low standard, overpriced rented sector,

:46:00. > :46:02.young people unable to move out of the family home and start their own

:46:03. > :46:07.lives, when is the Prime Minister going to realise that there is a

:46:08. > :46:12.housing crisis in Britain, and his government needs to address it now,

:46:13. > :46:18.so that we do not continue with this dreadful situation in this country.

:46:19. > :46:25.Homelessness is less than half the peak today than it was under the

:46:26. > :46:32.last Labour government. There is a simple point here. You can only

:46:33. > :46:35.invest in new houses, you can only restore existing houses, you can any

:46:36. > :46:40.build new houses and support people into those houses if you have a

:46:41. > :46:45.strong economy. We inherited mass unemployment, and economy that

:46:46. > :46:51.completely collapsed, a banking crisis and now we've got zero

:46:52. > :46:54.inflation, wages growing, unemployment at 5%, and economy

:46:55. > :46:59.growing and people able, for the first time, to look to their future

:47:00. > :47:07.and see they can buy and own a house in our country.

:47:08. > :47:21.Mr speak your Nadia was a 19-year-old when Daesh came to her

:47:22. > :47:29.village. They tortured her, raped and made her laid. Nadia's story is

:47:30. > :47:34.the same as thousands of Yazidi women except thousands are still

:47:35. > :47:38.held in captivity and Nadia escaped. In fact, Nadia is in the public

:47:39. > :47:46.gallery today. Will the Minister join me in accepting acknowledging

:47:47. > :47:57.Nadia's bravery and resilience and the qualities that allowed her to

:47:58. > :48:03.triumph over Daesh? Will he support Yazidi women? Let me thank my friend

:48:04. > :48:09.for raising this issue and welcome Nadia, who is here with us today.

:48:10. > :48:14.Her and their Yazidi community have suffered appallingly at this

:48:15. > :48:21.murderous, brutal, fascist organisation in Syria and Iraq. We

:48:22. > :48:24.must do everything we can to defeat Daesh and its ideology. We are

:48:25. > :48:32.playing a leading role in this global coalition. In terms of Iraq,

:48:33. > :48:36.where so many Yazidis suffered, Daesh have lost 40% of the territory

:48:37. > :48:41.controlled. As I said at the time in the debate about Syria, this will

:48:42. > :48:46.take a long time. Building up Iraqi security forces, working with Syrian

:48:47. > :48:48.opposition forces, building the capacity of governments in both

:48:49. > :48:52.countries to drive this organisation out of the Middle East. However long

:48:53. > :49:04.it takes, we must stick at it. Angus Robertson. We on these benches join

:49:05. > :49:08.in the condolences in relation to Harry and pass on our condolences at

:49:09. > :49:12.this sad time to his family for supper by Minister made a vow and

:49:13. > :49:15.his party signed an agreement that there would be no detriment to

:49:16. > :49:20.Scotland with new devolution arrangements. Why is the UK Treasury

:49:21. > :49:25.proposing plans that may be detrimental towards Scotland to the

:49:26. > :49:32.tune of ?3 billion? First of all, we accept this myth principles of no

:49:33. > :49:38.detriment. No detriment to Scotland at the time when this transfer is

:49:39. > :49:42.made. -- the Smith principles. And then no detriment of Scottish

:49:43. > :49:46.taxpayers, but also to the rest of the United Kingdom taxpayers, who we

:49:47. > :49:50.have to bear in mind as we take into account this very important

:49:51. > :49:53.negotiation. I have had good negotiations with the First

:49:54. > :49:57.Minister, negotiations are underway. I want us to successfully complete

:49:58. > :50:01.this very important piece of devolution in a fair and reasonable

:50:02. > :50:06.way and these negotiations should continue. Let me remind the Right

:50:07. > :50:10.Honourable gentleman, if we had had full fiscal devolution, with oil

:50:11. > :50:15.revenues having collapsed by 94%, then the right honourable Gentleman

:50:16. > :50:24.and his party would be weeks away from a financial calamity for

:50:25. > :50:29.Scotland. Thank you. In the context of referendums, whether in Scotland

:50:30. > :50:34.or across the UK on EU membership, don't voters have a right to know

:50:35. > :50:39.that what is promised by the UK Government can be trusted and will

:50:40. > :50:42.be delivered in full. Will the Prime Minister told the Treasury Time is

:50:43. > :50:46.running out on delivering of their fiscal framework and they must do a

:50:47. > :50:51.deal that is fair both to the people of Scotland, and fair to the rest of

:50:52. > :50:55.the United Kingdom. I can tell him everything that has been committed

:50:56. > :50:59.to by this government will be delivered. We committed to this huge

:51:00. > :51:02.act of devolution to Scotland and we delivered it. We committed to the

:51:03. > :51:06.Scotland Bill and are well on the way to delivering it. All the things

:51:07. > :51:11.we said we would, including those vital Smith principles. There is an

:51:12. > :51:14.ongoing negotiations to reach a fair settlement and I would say to the

:51:15. > :51:17.Scottish First Minister and Finance Minister, they have to recognise

:51:18. > :51:22.there must be fairness across the rest of the United Kingdom as well.

:51:23. > :51:27.But with goodwill, I can tell you Mr Speaker, no one is more keen on an

:51:28. > :51:31.agreement on me. I want the Scottish National party here and in Holyrood

:51:32. > :51:35.to have to start making decisions, which taxes are you going to raise,

:51:36. > :51:39.what are you going to do with benefits? I want to get rid of,

:51:40. > :51:43.frankly, this grievance agenda and let you get on with the governing

:51:44. > :51:50.agenda and then we can see what you are made of.

:51:51. > :51:53.The skills shortage in engineering in Wildschut is particularly a

:51:54. > :51:58.problem. It is threatening and undermining all the work we have

:51:59. > :52:03.done in job creation and also supporting businesses. It is quite

:52:04. > :52:08.simply a ticking time bomb. Mr Speaker, may I ask the Prime

:52:09. > :52:11.Minister, what more can he do to remove the stigma, misunderstanding

:52:12. > :52:16.and all the problems associated around Stem subjects and careers? I

:52:17. > :52:20.think my honourable friend is right to raise this. There are special

:52:21. > :52:28.circumstances in Wiltshire because you have the enormous success of

:52:29. > :52:30.Dyson, hiring engineers and skilled mathematicians and scientists from

:52:31. > :52:34.every university in the country and long may that continue. What we will

:52:35. > :52:38.do is help by training 3 million apprentices in this parliament will

:52:39. > :52:42.stop we are giving special help teachers of Stem subjects and them

:52:43. > :52:46.into teaching. I think there was a lot business and industry can do to

:52:47. > :52:50.help us in this, by going into schools and talking about what these

:52:51. > :52:54.modern engineering careers are all about. How much the film and people

:52:55. > :52:57.can get from these careers, to encourage people to change the

:52:58. > :53:05.culture when it comes to pursuing these careers. Mr Speaker, young

:53:06. > :53:10.people are afraid of losing their homes. Women denied the pensions

:53:11. > :53:14.they were expecting an increasingly the needy left exposed without the

:53:15. > :53:19.social care they need to live a decent life. When will the Prime

:53:20. > :53:24.Minister address the scandals? What we are doing for pensioners is

:53:25. > :53:28.putting in place the triple lock so every pensioner knows there can

:53:29. > :53:33.never be another shameful 75p increase in the pension that we saw

:53:34. > :53:38.under Labour. They know that every year it will either be wages, prices

:53:39. > :53:42.or 2.5%. That is why the pension is so much higher than when I became

:53:43. > :53:46.Prime Minister. Of course we need to make sure there is a fair settlement

:53:47. > :53:50.for local government as well. We will be hearing more about that

:53:51. > :53:54.later today. But this ability of local councils to raise special

:53:55. > :53:55.council tax for social care will help in an area where there is great

:53:56. > :54:07.pressure. Nigel Adams. The Spitfire was a crucial element

:54:08. > :54:13.in us winning the Battle of Britain 75 years ago. And keeping our

:54:14. > :54:21.country free from tyranny. However, there are some who fear that our

:54:22. > :54:27.independent, nuclear deterrent could be as obsolete as a Spitfire. Good

:54:28. > :54:34.my right honourable friend the Prime Minister assure the House and the

:54:35. > :54:39.country this is not the case? It takes quite a talent in the Shadow

:54:40. > :54:44.Defence Secretary to insult Spitfire pilots and sub Mariner 's all in one

:54:45. > :54:49.go. Another week, another ludicrous Labour position on defence. The last

:54:50. > :54:56.word should go to our right honourable member in Bridgend who

:54:57. > :54:59.tweeted, oh dear, oh dear, oh my God. Need to go to rest in a

:55:00. > :55:01.darkened room. I'm sure she will find the rest of her party will be

:55:02. > :55:23.there with her! At today's's select committee the

:55:24. > :55:28.Business Secretary confirmed the Government won't support the EU

:55:29. > :55:32.commission in raising tariffs on dumped steel from countries like

:55:33. > :55:41.China. Why won't the UK Government stand up for UK steel? We have

:55:42. > :55:43.repeatedly stood up for UK steel, including supporting taking

:55:44. > :55:47.anti-dumping measures in the EU. But that is not enough. We need to get

:55:48. > :55:51.behind public procurement for steel and that is what we are doing for

:55:52. > :55:55.them we need to get behind reducing energy bills for steel and that is

:55:56. > :55:58.what we're doing, we need to support communities like his own who have

:55:59. > :56:05.seem job losses, and that is exactly what we're doing. We recognise what

:56:06. > :56:11.a vital part Britain's industrial case British Steel is that is why we

:56:12. > :56:18.are backing it. Thank you Mr Speaker. Julian Assange is accused

:56:19. > :56:22.of rape and is on the run. Despite this, a United Nations panel nobody

:56:23. > :56:29.has ever heard of, declared last week that he has been arbitrarily

:56:30. > :56:32.detained and somehow deserving of compensation. Does my right

:56:33. > :56:39.honourable friend agree with me that this was a nonsensical decision?

:56:40. > :56:43.That Julian Assange sure turned himself over to the Swedish

:56:44. > :56:48.prosecutors and if anyone is deserving of compensation, it is the

:56:49. > :56:55.British taxpayer, who has had to pay ?12 million to police his Ecuadorian

:56:56. > :56:59.hideout? My right honourable friend is absolutely right. I think this

:57:00. > :57:03.was a ridiculous decision for you have a man ear with an outstanding

:57:04. > :57:08.allegation of rape against him. He barricaded himself into the

:57:09. > :57:11.Ecuadorian Embassy but claims he was arbitrarily detained. The only

:57:12. > :57:17.person who detained himself was himself. What he should do is come

:57:18. > :57:22.out of that embassy and face the arrest warrant against him. He is

:57:23. > :57:25.being asked to stand trial in Sweden, a country with a fair

:57:26. > :57:33.reputation for justice. He should bring to an end this whole sorry

:57:34. > :57:40.saga. Mike Weir. Women's aid groups have raised concerns that changes in

:57:41. > :57:50.social housing benefits may close many refuges. Can the Prime Minister

:57:51. > :57:54.exempt refuges from this? I said in a to questions from the opposition,

:57:55. > :57:57.we want to support supported housing projects. There are work in many of

:57:58. > :58:01.our constituencies and we have seen how important they are. These

:58:02. > :58:05.changes we are talking about, about housing benefit, don't come into

:58:06. > :58:11.place until 2018. There is plenty of time to make sure that we support

:58:12. > :58:15.supported housing projects. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Next month Milton

:58:16. > :58:18.Keynes will host the first-ever National apprenticeship fair. We

:58:19. > :58:23.have a strong record in expanding apprenticeships. But is there not

:58:24. > :58:26.still a need for a cultural shift in careers advice, to show the

:58:27. > :58:33.high-level apprenticeships are equally valid to university places?

:58:34. > :58:37.I think my honourable friend is absolutely right. The careers advice

:58:38. > :58:41.we need to give young people is that there is a choice for every school

:58:42. > :58:45.either, we hope, of either a university place, because have

:58:46. > :58:51.uncapped unit per university places or apprenticeships and we to explain

:58:52. > :58:56.if you become an apprentice, that doesn't rule out doing a degree or a

:58:57. > :58:59.degree level qualification later on, during your apprenticeship. The

:59:00. > :59:04.option of earning and learning is stronger in Britain today than it

:59:05. > :59:14.has ever been before. Thank you Mr Speaker. Does the Prime

:59:15. > :59:16.Minister agree that housing protects human rights of people in the United

:59:17. > :59:21.Kingdom and deserves full and careful consideration question that

:59:22. > :59:30.will he give an assurance that his repeal of the Human Rights Act will

:59:31. > :59:34.not conflict with Scotland? We will very carefully all of these issues.

:59:35. > :59:38.I would say to the honourable lady and honourable members opposite, the

:59:39. > :59:42.idea that there were no human rights in Britain before the Human Rights

:59:43. > :59:47.Act is an absolutely ludicrous notion. This house has been a great

:59:48. > :59:51.Bastian and defender of human rights, but we will look very

:59:52. > :00:01.carefully of the timing of any announcements we make. Mr Speaker I

:00:02. > :00:05.spent most of my working life in children's hospices, rely on

:00:06. > :00:12.donations from organisations like children in need, you have a long

:00:13. > :00:16.association with the town of Pudsey. Would my right honourable friend

:00:17. > :00:21.join me and the people of Pudsey in paying tribute to Sir Terry Wogan,

:00:22. > :00:25.who did so much to inspire millions of pounds to be donated to these

:00:26. > :00:30.quarters question what I am very happy to do that. The honourable

:00:31. > :00:33.member representing his constituency, where Pudsey has such

:00:34. > :00:36.a connection is right to raise this. I think Terry Wogan was one of the

:00:37. > :00:42.great icons of this country. Like many people in this house you felt

:00:43. > :00:47.you grew up with him, listening to him in the radio, in the cart or

:00:48. > :00:50.watching him present programmes. At many people's favourite was the

:00:51. > :00:56.Eurovision Song contest, which every year he brought such great humour

:00:57. > :00:59.too. I think we were all fans and he will be hugely missed and his work

:01:00. > :01:07.with children in need was particularly special. On Monday I

:01:08. > :01:11.attended the work and pensions tribunal appeal hearing for my

:01:12. > :01:18.constituent, a brave and inspiring woman whose dwarfism. Despite being

:01:19. > :01:24.able to climb staircases except on all fours she was awarded zero

:01:25. > :01:31.disability points by her assessor can I asked the Prime Minister if he

:01:32. > :01:38.has if he has attended any tribunal hearings and if so if he found the

:01:39. > :01:41.process fair dignified and compassion question what I am happy

:01:42. > :01:47.to look into the Casey races. I have people coming to surgery with

:01:48. > :01:51.enquiries either about employment and support allowance or about

:01:52. > :01:54.disability living allowance. I have the experience having had a disabled

:01:55. > :01:58.son of filling out all the forms myself, and looking forward to the

:01:59. > :02:01.new system, which I think with the proper medical check, will work out

:02:02. > :02:05.better. I have listened to these arguments but we have to have a

:02:06. > :02:15.system of adjudication which is independent of politicians. Growing

:02:16. > :02:20.up nearby I always knew I was nearly home when I saw the iconic cooling

:02:21. > :02:24.towers of the power stations on the horizon. On Monday the owners of the

:02:25. > :02:31.remaining power station announced its likely closure this summer. Well

:02:32. > :02:34.my right honourable friend asked the Secretary of State to meet with me

:02:35. > :02:39.and discuss further the Government's support that can be provided to the

:02:40. > :02:44.150 workers and the provisions that can be made to ensure the site is

:02:45. > :02:49.redeveloped as quickly as possible? I will certainly arrange for that

:02:50. > :02:52.meeting to take place. We should thank everyone who has worked at

:02:53. > :02:55.power stations that come to the end of their lives, for the work they

:02:56. > :02:59.have done to give us a lecture city, to keep our lights on and our

:03:00. > :03:03.economy moving. I think she is absolutely right. As coal powered

:03:04. > :03:07.power stations come to the end of their lives, we must make sure

:03:08. > :03:12.proper redevelopment takes place so we provide jobs for constituents

:03:13. > :03:15.like hers. The football supporters Federation is considering calling on

:03:16. > :03:19.fans to hold mass walk-outs, in order to get their voices heard

:03:20. > :03:24.about the issue of ticket prices. Will the Prime Minister act, to give

:03:25. > :03:28.fans a place at the table in club boardrooms, in order that their

:03:29. > :03:32.voices can be heard when issues such as ticket prices are being

:03:33. > :03:36.discussed? I will look very carefully at the suggestion the

:03:37. > :03:41.honourable gentleman makes. I think there is a problem here, where some

:03:42. > :03:46.teams and some clubs put up prices very rapidly every year, even though

:03:47. > :03:49.so much of the money for football comes through the sponsorship and

:03:50. > :03:56.equipment and other sources. I will look very carefully at what he says.

:03:57. > :04:00.The vital debate and votes on the Trident successes submarine should

:04:01. > :04:03.have been held in the last parliament but was blocked by the

:04:04. > :04:09.Liberal Democrats. Given the farm the Prime Minister had a few moments

:04:10. > :04:15.and go at the Labour Party 's expense over Trident's success, it

:04:16. > :04:19.must be tempting for him to put off the vote until the conference in

:04:20. > :04:23.October for, I urge him to do the statesman-like thing and hold that

:04:24. > :04:28.vote as soon as is of, because everyone is ready for it and

:04:29. > :04:32.everyone is expecting it. What we should do is have the vote when we

:04:33. > :04:35.need to have the vote, and that is exactly what we will do. No one

:04:36. > :04:39.should be in any doubt that this government is going to press ahead

:04:40. > :04:43.with all the decisions that are necessary to replace in full hour

:04:44. > :04:47.Trident is a Marines. I think the Labour Party should listen to Lord

:04:48. > :04:52.Hutton, who was their Defence Secretary for many years. He said,

:04:53. > :04:55.if Labour wants to retain any credibility on defence whatsoever it

:04:56. > :04:59.better recognise the abject futility of what its leadership is currently

:05:00. > :05:03.proposing. I hope when that vote comes we will have support from

:05:04. > :05:08.right across this House of Commons. In light of today's's damning

:05:09. > :05:12.National Audit Office report on teacher shortages, will the Prime

:05:13. > :05:16.Minister take urgent steps to help schools such as those in my

:05:17. > :05:22.constituency to recruit and retain the best teachers, including

:05:23. > :05:26.extending the London weighting to Harrow schools and other suburban

:05:27. > :05:30.schools question what we will look carefully at this report. There are

:05:31. > :05:34.13,100 more teachers in my schools than when I became per minister. Our

:05:35. > :05:39.teachers are better qualified than ever before. People are shouting out

:05:40. > :05:47.about increased pupil numbers but they might be interested to know we

:05:48. > :05:50.have 40 7000 fewer tuple is in overcrowded schools because we put

:05:51. > :05:55.investment in where it was needed. But we do need schemes like teach

:05:56. > :05:58.first, like our national leadership programme, that are getting some of

:05:59. > :06:04.the best teachers into the schools where they are most needed. My right

:06:05. > :06:11.honourable friend the Prime Minister deserves great credit for the

:06:12. > :06:17.results of the Syria replenishment conference, which was held under his

:06:18. > :06:23.leadership in London. He will be aware this can only address the

:06:24. > :06:33.symptoms of the catastrophe and not the causes. What can he tell the

:06:34. > :06:35.House the government can do to make sure it reaches a speedy success

:06:36. > :06:41.question mark can I thank my right honourable friend. It gives me the

:06:42. > :06:45.opportunity to thank my co-hosts the Norwegians, the Germans and whether

:06:46. > :06:49.Kuwait is on the Secretary General of the United Nations. We raised in

:06:50. > :06:53.one day more money than has ever been raised that one of these

:06:54. > :06:56.conferences ever in their history, over $10 billion. I want to pay

:06:57. > :07:04.tribute to my right honourable friend, the secretary of state is a

:07:05. > :07:09.defeat he did a lot of work. It will help close and feed people and give

:07:10. > :07:11.them the medicine they need. We need a political solution and go on

:07:12. > :07:15.working with all our political partners to deliver this. It

:07:16. > :07:20.requires all countries, including Russia, to recognise the need for a

:07:21. > :07:24.moderate Sunni opposition to be at the table, to create a transitional

:07:25. > :07:33.authority in Syria. Without that, I feel we will end up with a situation

:07:34. > :07:37.where you have Assad in one corner and Daesh in the other. The worst

:07:38. > :07:43.outcome in terms of terrorism, refugees and the outcome of Syria. I

:07:44. > :07:48.am sure the Prime Minister is looking forward to visiting Hull

:07:49. > :07:52.next year. As the UK's city of culture we are backed by many

:07:53. > :07:57.prestigious organisations like the BBC and RAC, but we can do much

:07:58. > :08:01.better, to make this a real national celebration of culture. Will the

:08:02. > :08:05.Prime Minister join with me in urging the many London based

:08:06. > :08:11.National arts organisations to actually do their bit and contribute

:08:12. > :08:15.to the success? I think the honourable lady makes a very

:08:16. > :08:19.important point, which is our national cultural institutions have

:08:20. > :08:24.immense amount of works and prestige that they can bring out to regional

:08:25. > :08:33.Galleries and regional centres when there is a city -- culture event. I

:08:34. > :08:37.will enjoy visiting Hull Foster I know my right honourable friend will

:08:38. > :08:43.want to join me in the city of Hull. It is a city of poets, home to

:08:44. > :08:47.Philip Larkin for many years, and of course, Stevie Smith. Sometimes one

:08:48. > :08:55.might want to contemplate what it's like waving and not drowning. The

:08:56. > :09:00.election for the chair of the environmental audit committee is now

:09:01. > :09:07.taking place in committee room 16. Voting will continue until 1:30pm.

:09:08. > :09:09.Also voting on a deferred division is taking place in the no lobby.

:09:10. > :09:22.This will continue until 2pm. We wanted to stay with that

:09:23. > :09:33.announcement. It is not mean much to me X -- it did not mean much to me!

:09:34. > :09:38.As Laura said, Jeremy Corbyn went on housing, erased a number of issues

:09:39. > :09:44.through his six questions -- he raised. They were all about housing.

:09:45. > :09:48.The Prime Minister reeled off a list of things which the government had

:09:49. > :09:52.done or was about to do regarding housing and we will discuss a number

:09:53. > :09:58.of things. First, what did the viewers make of it? It was all about

:09:59. > :10:02.housing and the viewers responded, but people feel that Jeremy Corbyn

:10:03. > :10:08.needs to be tougher with the Prime Minister. One person said, is he the

:10:09. > :10:13.opposition housing minister? He needs to ask questions on other

:10:14. > :10:23.subjects. Another one says, why does Jeremy Corbyn continue to let David

:10:24. > :10:33.Cameron off the hook? Robert says, well done, Jeremy Corbyn, a bit of

:10:34. > :10:37.venom for a change, but another one says that his methodical approach

:10:38. > :10:41.does not work at PMQs, and for most people it is the only time they see

:10:42. > :10:46.Parliament at play and they see the priming is the easily swatting away

:10:47. > :10:56.Jeremy Corbyn's questions -- the Prime Minister. Helen says, poor

:10:57. > :11:03.Rosie, she chose the wrong champion in Jeremy Corbyn, his argument was

:11:04. > :11:08.wiped out by the Prime Minister. Another one says David Cameron needs

:11:09. > :11:14.to have a walk around the West End of London, and that he has never

:11:15. > :11:21.seen as many people sleeping on the streets. The biggest domestic story

:11:22. > :11:27.of the day, the doctors strike, we did not have one question on that,

:11:28. > :11:34.and then the incredible developing humanitarian crisis north of Aleppo,

:11:35. > :11:39.at the Turkish border, up to 70,000 refugees are heading that way, the

:11:40. > :11:49.combined forces of Assad and Hezbollah and Mr Putin, destroying

:11:50. > :11:52.the moderate factions in Syria, the insularity of the House of Commons

:11:53. > :12:00.sometimes beggars belief, I would say. If we go back ten days, you

:12:01. > :12:05.found British politician sounding cautious about the peace process,

:12:06. > :12:08.getting off the ground in Geneva, and the Foreign Secretary has been

:12:09. > :12:14.very involved in the shuttle diplomacy. Not so long ago we spent

:12:15. > :12:17.hours in the studio talking about whether the government would get

:12:18. > :12:24.enough votes to back expanding air strikes into Syria, that was a big

:12:25. > :12:29.issue. Just about 10-12 weeks ago, but here, the crisis has gone

:12:30. > :12:34.through into a completely... Not a new phase, but a very different

:12:35. > :12:40.phase. And yet, nothing in the House of Commons. And yet, the Russian

:12:41. > :12:47.ambassador was on Newsnight. No, Channel 4. OK, we are allowed to

:12:48. > :12:52.mention Channel 4 News, other news programmes are available! They have

:12:53. > :12:57.had some good stories this week, though. We have the situation with

:12:58. > :13:02.the Ross and ambassador, we took this vote to bomb Islamic State in

:13:03. > :13:13.that part of Syria -- the Russian ambassador. But the Assad forces

:13:14. > :13:18.backed by the Russians, they are mopping up the non-Islamic State

:13:19. > :13:23.forces, and so we could end up in a position where Vladimir Putin could

:13:24. > :13:28.say it is him and Assad against Islamic State, whose side are you

:13:29. > :13:32.on? It looks like it could pan out that way, no one could have been

:13:33. > :13:34.moved by the terrible pictures coming from the Turkish Syria

:13:35. > :13:43.border, where people have been fleeing. People turning up at the

:13:44. > :13:46.Turkish border. Turkey has had an open door policy, but they have

:13:47. > :13:53.closed the border and no one is getting through, apart from the most

:13:54. > :13:56.sick and vulnerable. This is very complex, geopolitical discussion, it

:13:57. > :14:03.is a difficult thing for backbenchers to raise in small

:14:04. > :14:06.bite-size questions, shall we say, but the biggest bait which is

:14:07. > :14:12.happening at the moment over Europe in this country, the top issue is

:14:13. > :14:17.about immigration -- the biggest bait. That is directly affected by

:14:18. > :14:21.the refugee situation which is unfolding in Syria at a rate of

:14:22. > :14:28.knots. As you suggest, one senior politician here, said to me, we are

:14:29. > :14:32.tearing our hair out and they think the British government should be

:14:33. > :14:37.talking much more about this issue. But right now, it does not seem to

:14:38. > :14:42.be a case of the wheel at the top. The European Union urged Turkey to

:14:43. > :14:47.close its southern border with Syria to stop them getting in. Now that

:14:48. > :14:52.there is a humanitarian crisis on that border, the European Union is

:14:53. > :14:58.urging Turkey to open the border. Make up your mind! It is difficult

:14:59. > :15:02.to look at what has happened with the European Union and the difficult

:15:03. > :15:08.attitudes towards migration, but you can conclude there is very much

:15:09. > :15:13.going on apart from a chaotic approach which is not helping. And

:15:14. > :15:17.talk about transit camps, being built, at the moment. Yes, and

:15:18. > :15:22.earlier, the Prime Minister suggested that as part of our

:15:23. > :15:27.debate, about migration, the prospect of having camps in Calais,

:15:28. > :15:32.suddenly arriving on the coast of Kent. And this is an issue in the

:15:33. > :15:36.biggest debate of the year, but not something which is punching its way

:15:37. > :15:41.into the chamber. It has gone beyond the argument of another million

:15:42. > :15:45.refugees coming in this year, or migrants, however you want to

:15:46. > :15:52.classify them. It is quite clear, as the Assad Putin forces mop up,

:15:53. > :15:57.people are terrified, because they remember what Assad's father was

:15:58. > :16:01.capable of and what he has been capable of and what Russia are

:16:02. > :16:05.capable of. I've been watching interviews with these refugees, they

:16:06. > :16:11.need to get out and there will be a pressure for millions more to get

:16:12. > :16:16.out of there. It reaches a scale... Some reports that Nato might have to

:16:17. > :16:24.have warships in the GMC to cope with what will now be a massive

:16:25. > :16:28.influx, -- the GMC. Ten times as many people have raised the terrible

:16:29. > :16:33.voyage from Turkey into Greece than in January last year. It makes you

:16:34. > :16:36.wonder, when you talk to ministers privately, about the timing of the

:16:37. > :16:44.referendum, there has been the question on the European referendum,

:16:45. > :16:48.in June, and having it take place then, in part because there is a

:16:49. > :16:52.fear in the increase of migrants in the summer, but that feels rather

:16:53. > :16:57.misplaced. This is happening in front of our eyes. Yes. There were

:16:58. > :17:04.another 35 people killed just 24 hours ago. What about Jordan and

:17:05. > :17:07.Lebanon? They are now at capacity. Jordan has said they cannot take any

:17:08. > :17:12.more, because they have huge numbers. It sometimes makes our

:17:13. > :17:19.arguments as to whether there should be a refugee camp in Calais or in

:17:20. > :17:26.Kent slightly diminished. There is a humanitarian crisis happening in

:17:27. > :17:29.many places, in northern Africa, there are thousands of refugees in

:17:30. > :17:33.that part of the world, as well, and it is important to provide

:17:34. > :17:37.humanitarian aid, as we have done in the government. Another billion

:17:38. > :17:42.pounds from us and from others coming up, as well, but as we know

:17:43. > :17:48.from the secret minutes, or the Turkish president, with Donald Tusk

:17:49. > :17:55.and Jean-Claude Juncker, he pointed out that you gave 400 billion to

:17:56. > :18:00.Greece last year. A bailout is a different issue. You can see the

:18:01. > :18:05.point. Yes, that money does come back eventually. This is ?1 billion

:18:06. > :18:09.from us, the agreement reached with other European nations about putting

:18:10. > :18:11.more money into humanitarian aid is important and that is a better way

:18:12. > :18:20.of deterring this transit across dangerous waters in the

:18:21. > :18:31.Mediterranean. But whatever we do, it is a daunting prospect. It is one

:18:32. > :18:34.thing giving assistance, but we hear that they are at breaking point, I

:18:35. > :18:40.went to Jordan very early in the conflict, to see the camps but since

:18:41. > :18:45.then it has grown exponentially. It is not enough in itself to just be

:18:46. > :18:51.focusing efforts on giving aid to people there, it is a far bigger

:18:52. > :18:54.issue. It is a huge issue. Just one question on that, but at least we

:18:55. > :19:00.spent some time discussing it. Laura, thanks for joining us. We

:19:01. > :19:03.will see you next week. No, there is a recess next week, but crucially

:19:04. > :19:08.next week is the summit in Brussels. At the end of the week. Yes, a week

:19:09. > :19:12.on Friday, and I will be there, looking ahead to the next day, and

:19:13. > :19:15.by the end of next week we might have the deal. I will be watching

:19:16. > :19:21.you from New York. So - it's official -

:19:22. > :19:24.parliament is going vegan and ending it's 1,000 year old tradition

:19:25. > :19:26.of printing Britain's laws It's a move driven by financial

:19:27. > :19:30.rather than ethical concerns - But it chimes with the choice

:19:31. > :19:34.of large numbers of people to cut animals and the produce of animals

:19:35. > :19:37.out of their diets - like our guest of the day

:19:38. > :19:39.Kerry McCarthy here, But what's wrong with consuming

:19:40. > :19:42.large quantities of cheap, Here's Justine Brian

:19:43. > :19:47.from the Institute of Ideas It is difficult to read a weekend

:19:48. > :20:08.supplement today without some posh food critic shoving down your throat

:20:09. > :20:12.the idea that you need to be eating It used to be a relatively

:20:13. > :20:20.expensive meat. We used to eat less

:20:21. > :20:24.than a kilo per annum. Today each person eats

:20:25. > :20:27.about 23 kilos of chicken. The mass production of chicken

:20:28. > :20:30.was begun after the Second World War to move away from rationing

:20:31. > :20:38.and provide enough sustenance Today about 93% of the chicken

:20:39. > :20:42.we buy is produced in the UK The thing about food snobs,

:20:43. > :20:54.their concern about chicken welfare is based on the idea that chickens

:20:55. > :21:00.somehow suffer in the conditions they are kept, and if we all ate

:21:01. > :21:02.free range organic chicken The problem is, if we move to free

:21:03. > :21:06.range organic chicken, that means the price

:21:07. > :21:09.of our average Sunday chicken That means the cost of our

:21:10. > :21:12.supermarket averages for lunch will increase in price

:21:13. > :21:15.and the late-night fried chicken you get on the way home,

:21:16. > :21:17.that will also increase in price. I can't see any benefit

:21:18. > :21:20.in making people's day-to-day Surely it is about time

:21:21. > :21:27.we celebrated the fact that today we spend less of our disposable

:21:28. > :21:29.income on sustaining ourselves When it comes to the food we eat

:21:30. > :21:35.and the choices we make, as individuals and for our families,

:21:36. > :21:38.we should be left alone to make those choices guilt-free, not worry

:21:39. > :21:40.about the chickens and pigs. And celebrate, finally,

:21:41. > :21:55.the freedom that mass food Justine joins us now. Are you

:21:56. > :21:58.concerned in any way about the animals we consume for food? You

:21:59. > :22:04.must know as we all do, some chickens and pigs are kept in

:22:05. > :22:07.terrible conditions? Farming, butchery, slaughterhouses are very

:22:08. > :22:13.fiscal things, not pleasant. To some extent I would support moves for

:22:14. > :22:17.better welfare for our food production. But to be entirely

:22:18. > :22:22.honest, no. It doesn't occur to me how a chicken is kept when I buy my

:22:23. > :22:27.chicken sandwich, or how a pig is kept when I buy a bacon sandwich. It

:22:28. > :22:31.is is not my primary concern. You made a claim in the film that the

:22:32. > :22:34.price would treble. Can you stand that question why do you have

:22:35. > :22:39.evidence the price would go up that much for a chicken, for example, if

:22:40. > :22:45.we didn't intensively farmed? At the moment if you buy a free range

:22:46. > :22:49.organic chicken is around ?12 -?30. I can get a standard grade a for

:22:50. > :22:53.about ?4, even worse than that. I am pretty confident that is right.

:22:54. > :22:58.Isn't that the problem, the price would go up dramatically? I think

:22:59. > :23:02.the problem with what Justine is saying, she is juxtaposing the cheap

:23:03. > :23:05.end of the range with the organic, which is very expensive. There is

:23:06. > :23:12.quite a spectrum within that. You have things like the red tractor

:23:13. > :23:15.welfare standards and Freedom food, better animal welfare standards than

:23:16. > :23:21.the very cheap end. But not as pricey. I take there is a broad

:23:22. > :23:26.spectrum, but do you agree the price would go up if we didn't intensively

:23:27. > :23:30.farmed chickens and pigs? I was at a chicken farm on Thursday. We turned

:23:31. > :23:36.up just after the chickens went to slaughter so I didn't see any

:23:37. > :23:41.chickens. Bad timing. 110,000 chickens had been sent off to

:23:42. > :23:44.slaughter that morning on a 29 day cycle, that is how long it takes to

:23:45. > :23:50.get the chicken up to market weight. That was higher welfare standards,

:23:51. > :23:54.red tractor. The former was making 2p per chicken. That is why they

:23:55. > :23:57.have to do it on such huge lovers. They said they were not getting much

:23:58. > :24:01.from the supermarket, they were selling it to one of the

:24:02. > :24:05.intermediaries. Although they wanted to abide by higher welfare

:24:06. > :24:13.standards, is not reflected in the price they get. My concern is about

:24:14. > :24:16.farmers. It is one thing to say you can keep across town for consumers.

:24:17. > :24:22.Supermarkets are generally doing very well, but we're getting farmers

:24:23. > :24:26.cannot make a living with dairy, pics, on a whole range... These

:24:27. > :24:31.people I visited on Thursday had been potato farmers. Can't make a

:24:32. > :24:35.living with potatoes now. Philosophically do we need to eat as

:24:36. > :24:40.much meat? We didn't use do? It is a fairly modern phenomenal. It isn't

:24:41. > :24:44.really necessary so we could reduce the levels of those sorts of animals

:24:45. > :24:50.found in those ways by eating less meat. We could, we could all become

:24:51. > :24:55.vegans. There is a difference between the two. Whether we need to

:24:56. > :25:02.is not the issue of us that we are able to. I think it is impossible to

:25:03. > :25:06.turn the clock back and eat less meat. Most of us now have a

:25:07. > :25:12.nutritious, healthy diet if we choose to. Is it healthy, industrial

:25:13. > :25:16.meat production? Why not? What is wrong with a grade a chicken instead

:25:17. > :25:20.of an organic chicken. You may care about the chicken, I don't, just the

:25:21. > :25:27.meat I meeting. I would query the wider point. We see a crisis of

:25:28. > :25:31.childhood abuse that he, diabetes, the old Jamie Oliver campaign. I

:25:32. > :25:35.would question if most of us are having healthy diets. That goes

:25:36. > :25:37.beyond if people eat meat or not. Sorry to rush you, but thank you.

:25:38. > :25:39.Now, you're a Eurosceptic Conservative MP or minister,

:25:40. > :25:42.you're not sure which way you'll swing come the referendum,

:25:43. > :25:45.and anyway, the Prime Minister's told you you're not to speak out

:25:46. > :25:46.until his renegotiation is a done deal.

:25:47. > :25:49.So what do you say when an impertinent interviewer like me

:25:50. > :25:53.asks you to jump the gun and speak your mind?

:25:54. > :26:04.First here's how some his colleagues have handled it.

:26:05. > :26:08.Why are you up so early this morning?

:26:09. > :26:09.Have you decided which side you're on?

:26:10. > :26:14.I think the position is, I'm sorry to disappoint you,

:26:15. > :26:17.but the position is very much the same as it was yesterday

:26:18. > :26:23.I'm not going to put a position down on this,

:26:24. > :26:26.I say to this, Andrew, I'm in the business,

:26:27. > :26:28.Minister, of delivering what the Prime Minister

:26:29. > :26:32.Am not going to get involved in those negotiations,

:26:33. > :26:38.What really disappoints me, is that people like

:26:39. > :26:40.you would rather look after your own interests,

:26:41. > :26:43.than actually come out and lose your cabinet position

:26:44. > :26:46.I'm not sure the reporting is entirely

:26:47. > :26:58.It's not the issue I will be deciding on.

:26:59. > :27:03.What I decide on, is it better for the country economically...

:27:04. > :27:04.Is anything that you do think is very

:27:05. > :27:09.Straight talking here, if you don't get free movement

:27:10. > :27:11.and therefore the open door remains open door,

:27:12. > :27:14.would you be in favour of leaving the EU,

:27:15. > :27:16.rather than carrying on with this situation?

:27:17. > :27:20.Well, my intention is to ensure, first of all, we are elected...

:27:21. > :27:23.It's a very straight forward question, can you not answer it?

:27:24. > :27:29.When this whole thing is agreed and try and see what it really

:27:30. > :27:47.Well that is how some have done. How are you going to answer the

:27:48. > :27:53.question? That would depend on the outcome... No, no! This is about

:27:54. > :27:58.collective response politicos but what David Cameron has done is

:27:59. > :28:05.exceptionally, has lifted collective responsibility. He is negotiating

:28:06. > :28:09.with the European Union for a better relationship... He is campaigning to

:28:10. > :28:15.stay, look at all these statements he made this week. About camps

:28:16. > :28:19.moving from France to Kent and security under threat. This is all

:28:20. > :28:21.part of the negotiations. Will you let us know first? Absolutely. We

:28:22. > :28:23.will settle for that. There's just time to put you out

:28:24. > :28:39.of your misery and give Please, press that buzzer! Well

:28:40. > :28:40.done. We will put you in touch with health and safety after the

:28:41. > :28:41.programme. The 1pm news is starting

:28:42. > :28:45.over on BBC One now. Jo and I will be here at noon

:28:46. > :28:49.tomorrow with all the big political I've always been quite

:28:50. > :29:04.anti assisted dying. How he dies is so important

:29:05. > :29:08.for our children,