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:00:00. > :00:10.efforts. week. Time for me to say goodbye.

:00:11. > :00:21.Explain to us, worry deeply that there might be a

:00:22. > :00:25.day after t`e referendul where conservatives get on

:00:26. > :00:26.day after t`e referendul where on the

:00:27. > :00:31.day after t`e referendul where down with lambs, let me reassure you

:00:32. > :00:35.that the fighting will continue with gusto. Two things are going on at

:00:36. > :00:41.the same time. The Government has changed the way we registered to

:00:42. > :00:48.vote - we don't do it as households, but as individuals. Labour say that

:00:49. > :00:53.it will only be bit posh people who decide to do this. David Cameron has

:00:54. > :01:01.long said that there are too many MPs, so they are being cut. And they

:01:02. > :01:04.are going to redraw boundaries. Stick those two things together and

:01:05. > :01:10.you will see that a lot of MPs will be jostling with each other, not

:01:11. > :01:14.about the fight with the other side at the next general election, but

:01:15. > :01:19.who will get to fight for fewer seats. It is kind of like musical

:01:20. > :01:25.chairs but only with more bitterness and the ability to pay your mortgage

:01:26. > :01:30.at stake. Some Conservatives are fuming about this and they do not

:01:31. > :01:37.give a hoot about David Cameron s assurance that no one will be left

:01:38. > :01:40.behind. In the words of one, we could all go and fight and lose

:01:41. > :01:45.Liverpool waiver tree, but what would that do for us? On the other

:01:46. > :01:54.side, and Chuka may have some thoughts on this, you may well

:01:55. > :01:58.wonder what the rules will be dictating how Labour seats are

:01:59. > :02:02.divided. As the stand, if you have 40% of the new seat in your

:02:03. > :02:07.constituency, in effect, you are treated like an incumbent. One of

:02:08. > :02:13.the ruling committee of the Labour Party to change that ruling, and

:02:14. > :02:21.there is no suggestion it will, that could make MPs much more vulnerable

:02:22. > :02:27.to being ousted, deselected, leaving a rather different looking Labour

:02:28. > :02:30.Party. There you go - plenty of fights in the political parties to

:02:31. > :02:34.come. You sound like you are relishing it.

:02:35. > :02:37.And here with me now is Lord Hayward, an election

:02:38. > :02:39.strategist and part of the team advising the Conservatives

:02:40. > :02:49.Let's go back to the electoral register and the commission because

:02:50. > :02:54.they want that tens of thousands of people could miss out on the

:02:55. > :02:56.election and the EU referendum. The commission urged the Government to

:02:57. > :02:59.delay the changes until the end of the year because they were so

:03:00. > :03:03.worried about the numbers who could be missed out. Why has the

:03:04. > :03:07.Government proceeded in rushing this? It was approved by the House

:03:08. > :03:15.of Lords. As you know, we do not have the majority there, so it was a

:03:16. > :03:21.broad basis of approval. We will contact every potential voter nine

:03:22. > :03:25.times. All the stories about these people being taken off the register,

:03:26. > :03:31.they are people who are not actually there who died. The bigger issue,

:03:32. > :03:35.and Chuka and I will agree, is getting to register. The level of

:03:36. > :03:41.registration amongst younger people at the moment is frightening. It is

:03:42. > :03:43.less an issue of taking people who shouldn't be on the register off,

:03:44. > :03:49.it's more a question of getting people who should be on it on. As

:03:50. > :03:55.you say, a transient population these numbers look convenient for

:03:56. > :04:01.the Conservative Party. Registration is typically lower in Labour areas.

:04:02. > :04:02.It is not a fairer system, based on those numbers. It is completely

:04:03. > :04:06.fair. It was introduced in 2002, those numbers. It is completely

:04:07. > :04:09.fair. It was introduced in 2002 and fair. It was introduced in 2002, and

:04:10. > :04:18.it was called the Electoral Fraud Act. The problem with what you were

:04:19. > :04:20.saying: You are right to say there are major issues on under

:04:21. > :04:27.registration of young people. There are also major issues of the

:04:28. > :04:30.registration of ethnic minorities, which disproportionately impacts on

:04:31. > :04:35.Labour areas, particularly the Borough of Lambeth. The best thing

:04:36. > :04:42.to have done would have been to sort out those registrations, and then

:04:43. > :04:46.you can look to try make sure you have more equal constituencies. You

:04:47. > :04:49.have gone ahead and done this without sorting the under

:04:50. > :04:55.registration issues out in my constituency, in my area. The issue

:04:56. > :04:58.of under registration is one, sadly, that ran for many years, including

:04:59. > :05:04.under your Government. Your Government made efforts to improve

:05:05. > :05:06.it, this Government and the previous Conservative Government have also

:05:07. > :05:12.made efforts. Are you saying it is impossible? No. There have been

:05:13. > :05:17.improvements in levels of registration. For example, the

:05:18. > :05:20.introduction of online registration last year resulted in huge numbers

:05:21. > :05:26.of people coming on. Why not resolve those issues first? We are talking

:05:27. > :05:31.of something in the order of 3 million people falling off the

:05:32. > :05:36.register. Let's look at the numbers. Labour said that 1.9 million names

:05:37. > :05:44.had disappeared from the electoral register, which is significant

:05:45. > :05:54.across Scotland, England and Wales. A smaller number was later given.

:05:55. > :06:00.You said 3 million to start with. 750,000. 700,000 is a huge amount.

:06:01. > :06:05.When you look at the electoral system that we have, it is less than

:06:06. > :06:08.100,000 voters who actually determine the results in general

:06:09. > :06:12.elections. So if you have over 700,000 people falling off the

:06:13. > :06:17.register, that is big. You cannot say it is all down to fraud. Or are

:06:18. > :06:20.you saying that there could be that number of people? I am not saying

:06:21. > :06:29.that. I am saying there are several different issues. There are people

:06:30. > :06:31.who are no longer resident at the registered locations. There is then

:06:32. > :06:34.the issue of voter registration. All the issue of voter registration All

:06:35. > :06:39.governments have tried to tackle it in one form or another. The most

:06:40. > :06:48.successful process has been the introduction of online registration,

:06:49. > :06:53.which proved effective in the run-up to the last election. The electorate

:06:54. > :06:57.rose in Northern Ireland last year in comparison with the rest of the

:06:58. > :07:03.country. Do you deny that any party political consideration played a

:07:04. > :07:07.part in your party's determination to press on with doing this boundary

:07:08. > :07:11.review and doing it the way it has been done? The review was approved

:07:12. > :07:15.by the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats. So the risen to party

:07:16. > :07:21.political consideration? It was approved by Labour and the Lib Dems.

:07:22. > :07:27.It was agreed by all parties. I m not sure about that. The timing was

:07:28. > :07:30.approved. Let's get on to the point that Ross Hawkins was relishing. Are

:07:31. > :07:35.you worried that this boundary review will be the perfect excuse

:07:36. > :07:42.for Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell to get rid of troublemakers like

:07:43. > :07:52.you? I don't see myself as a troublemaker. I am trying to

:07:53. > :07:58.increase the vote against ethnic -- amongst ethnic minorities. Jeremy

:07:59. > :08:02.has been clear about the prospect of changing the party's trigger

:08:03. > :08:03.ballots, where you move from an existing constituency to a new one.

:08:04. > :08:08.He said there will be no change. No He said there will be no change No

:08:09. > :08:14.change in the way that those rules operate. My hope is that it will not

:08:15. > :08:19.be used in that way. Part of the Labour Party's strength is that it

:08:20. > :08:23.has a diversity of opinion and it has a Parliamentary party that is in

:08:24. > :08:29.June with 9.3 million Labour voters. Thank you. Thank you.

:08:30. > :08:32.Today's Guest of the Day is the man who might have been.

:08:33. > :08:33.Chuka thought about standing for the Labour leadership,

:08:34. > :08:35.and then thought better of it.

:08:36. > :08:37.And the man who no-one thought could win -

:08:38. > :08:39.Jeremy Corbyn - swept to victory last summer.

:08:40. > :08:42.And he is doing a great job - at least according to his own

:08:43. > :08:46.At least that is what a new poll shows.

:08:47. > :08:48.Election Data asked YouGov to poll more than 1,200 party members

:08:49. > :08:51.and supporters who are eligible to vote in Labour leadership election.

:08:52. > :08:53.YouGov then compared the results with wider polling amongst

:08:54. > :08:58.Nearly three-quarters of the party's wider membership approved

:08:59. > :09:00.of their leader, more than three times the proportion

:09:01. > :09:09.63% of party believe Corbyn should lead Labour into the next general

:09:10. > :09:16.Compared with 32% of the wider British public.

:09:17. > :09:18.Nearly two-thirds of party members and registered supporters thought

:09:19. > :09:39.-- that Mr Corbyn is likely to make it to number ten. --

:09:40. > :09:43.47% of party believe Corbyn is likely to win the next general --

:09:44. > :09:46.Compared with 14% of the wider British public.

:09:47. > :09:48.Almost half of Labour members and registered supporters think that

:09:49. > :09:50.Mr Corbyn is likely to make it to No 10.

:09:51. > :09:53.But less than 1 in 7 of voters shared their optimism.

:09:54. > :09:55.were Jeremy Corbyn to fall under a metaphorical electoral bus

:09:56. > :09:59.Election Data put a number of names to the YouGov sample.

:10:00. > :10:01.The number one choice in the Shadow Chancellor

:10:02. > :10:03.and Chairman Mao connoisseur John McDonnell,

:10:04. > :10:04.followed by shadow foreign secretary Hillary Benn.

:10:05. > :10:07.But a quarter of Labour members and registered supporters said

:10:08. > :10:09.that they wouldn't vote at all if Corbyn was not

:10:10. > :10:12.And with me now, Joe Twynam from YouGov.

:10:13. > :10:18.it's an interesting poll. But in a sense, it tells us what we already

:10:19. > :10:22.know, which is that the new influx of members into the Labour Party are

:10:23. > :10:31.Jeremy Corbyn supporters. The more you support Jeremy Corbyn, the more

:10:32. > :10:35.you support his policies. If you are a fan of Jeremy Corbyn, and you

:10:36. > :10:39.generally approve of a lot of his policies, perhaps with the exception

:10:40. > :10:44.of membership of the EU, and if he is representing them, he is doing a

:10:45. > :10:51.good job. Given the changing nature of the Labour Party membership, even

:10:52. > :10:54.Jeremy Corbyn was to depart from the leadership, their choice would be

:10:55. > :11:01.the other most left-wing member of the Shadow Cabinet, John Mick

:11:02. > :11:09.Donnell. That's right. Amongst the Corbyn supporters particularly, but

:11:10. > :11:13.the party membership more generally, which... That is something the party

:11:14. > :11:19.has to address if it is to win an election. It depends on whether this

:11:20. > :11:22.group of people supporting Mr Corbyn actually believe that winning an

:11:23. > :11:26.election is the most important thing, or is it more about sending a

:11:27. > :11:30.message about the type of society they want to see and their position

:11:31. > :11:36.on specific policies? In some cases, they do seem more concerned about

:11:37. > :11:43.being "Right" in their terms than in taking power. Some of the new

:11:44. > :11:54.membership have come from the's greens and Lib Dems. -- come from

:11:55. > :11:57.the Greens and Lib Dems. Jeremy Corbyn won amongst all

:11:58. > :12:03.groups, it doesn't matter whether that was old Labour supporters, new

:12:04. > :12:09.members, ?3 sign-ups. It is this that gives him the mandate to then

:12:10. > :12:15.carry out his agenda. One thing I thought was fascinating was that

:12:16. > :12:18.less than 40% of the current membership were members of the

:12:19. > :12:25.Labour Party when Ed Miliband became leader in 2010. This is a new party.

:12:26. > :12:29.In many ways, it is. And in many ways, it is very different from not

:12:30. > :12:33.only the all party but the electorate generally. And that is an

:12:34. > :12:38.issue that they have to face. It does not mean you cannot lead on

:12:39. > :12:42.these things. We saw with the vote on Syria, that initially the Labour

:12:43. > :12:48.Party itself, their members, were in favour of action in Syria. But then

:12:49. > :12:52.Jeremy Corbyn began the process of saying he was against it. The new

:12:53. > :12:56.membership then did move more in line with his position. And more in

:12:57. > :13:00.line with the people who had voted for him during the election, so

:13:01. > :13:04.there is the potential to change. The general public really didn't

:13:05. > :13:13.change its view on Syria. It got to the stage where his -- were Corbyn

:13:14. > :13:21.and his supporters were out of step... It is my party, and I am

:13:22. > :13:25.surprised that this has generated so much attention. There is nothing new

:13:26. > :13:29.in the fact that Labour Party members are seen as being left wing

:13:30. > :13:32.to different degrees of history than the general public. How on earth it

:13:33. > :13:37.should be a surprise that people who voted for Jeremy in the leadership

:13:38. > :13:42.lecture should think he -- the leadership election should think he

:13:43. > :13:46.is doing a job right now. Is it a surprise that so few members were

:13:47. > :13:50.around when Ed Miliband became leader and the influx of the new

:13:51. > :13:59.membership is all well to the left of you and of the traditional Labour

:14:00. > :14:04.Party? No, but I would say is that there is going to be, I don't like

:14:05. > :14:10.the word compromise, but let's use it for now, and that is being led by

:14:11. > :14:13.Jeremy, in some respects. His election campaign very much put the

:14:14. > :14:19.Labour getting into power, which is the stated of our party in clause

:14:20. > :14:24.one of our Constitution, is slightly on the back burner. The first major

:14:25. > :14:28.speech that he gave to the TUC, he was absolutely clear that in order

:14:29. > :14:35.to make Labour values wheel, we have to make it into power. And he's

:14:36. > :14:38.absolutely right about that one of the mistakes that the so-called

:14:39. > :14:43.moderate party made was to somehow get the impression that electability

:14:44. > :14:46.was all that mattered, and that the argument -- and to give for policy

:14:47. > :14:51.decisions on that basis. I would argue that you have two place

:14:52. > :14:55.equality and prosperity, the kind of society that we want, at the heart

:14:56. > :15:00.of where you're going as a party and that helped you get into power. --

:15:01. > :15:12.helps you. It happens a lot on this programme,

:15:13. > :15:19.the politicians answer the questions they want to, not the ones we ask!

:15:20. > :15:22.There is not a vacancy for the leadership and I do not believe

:15:23. > :15:26.there will be for some time. We know that, but when we look at this

:15:27. > :15:31.fascinating poll, if they can't have Mr Corbyn, who barely got the number

:15:32. > :15:34.of nominations, they want John McDonnell to has had no part in the

:15:35. > :15:39.official Labour Party for many years. He was always a far left .

:15:40. > :15:45.Now, if it is not Mr Corbyn, it is Mr McDonnell. Those are the figures.

:15:46. > :15:50.Clear leader. This is a different party and if it carries on like

:15:51. > :15:55.this, it is a party which you have no future in. I do not accept that.

:15:56. > :15:59.We have always torn strength from the fact that we are a broad church.

:16:00. > :16:05.These things at and flow over history. The electorate think you

:16:06. > :16:09.are a left-wing sect! Yes, but that would tend to suggest that somehow

:16:10. > :16:12.we are going to be static in terms of our membership. What I hope is

:16:13. > :16:14.that over the years we will recruit even more people than we have

:16:15. > :16:18.already. Jeremy wants us to go. . already. Jeremy wants us to go...

:16:19. > :16:24.Where is the sign of that? I said over the years. Well, there is no

:16:25. > :16:29.sign of that. I think a lot of people who were previously on the

:16:30. > :16:32.periphery of left-wing politics are rather attracted to the Jeremy

:16:33. > :16:35.Corbyn party. They were not attracted to your kind of Labour

:16:36. > :16:39.Party. They are now joining this kind of Labour Party. Is that not

:16:40. > :16:44.what the polling shows? Yes, I would say so. And it is not just the

:16:45. > :16:49.Labour Party which is doing this. We have seen in other countries this

:16:50. > :16:51.idea that adopting a particular anti-establishment position can

:16:52. > :16:57.attract people who are dissatisfied and disapproving of the Westminster

:16:58. > :17:00.mechanism and all that it attracts. Jeremy Corbyn has done a very

:17:01. > :17:06.effective job of attracting those people. And people are joining as a

:17:07. > :17:12.result. They have come from the greens and everything else. And it

:17:13. > :17:15.is not the case that he has overwhelmingly won over people who

:17:16. > :17:19.previously were not engaged in politics. These are people who

:17:20. > :17:23.previously were positioned elsewhere in politics. The broader left is now

:17:24. > :17:28.consolidating inside your party, that is what is going on. In some

:17:29. > :17:32.respects it is. It would be disingenuous to deny that. But we

:17:33. > :17:36.have to be a mass movement party which reflects a broad swathe of

:17:37. > :17:40.British public opinion. And I believe that is possible. Because I

:17:41. > :17:45.think in every person, part of them is compassionate and progressive and

:17:46. > :17:48.unafraid of change. Part of all of us is slightly fearful and anxious

:17:49. > :17:52.about change and a bit more conservative with a small sea. Our

:17:53. > :17:56.job is to activate the progressive side of every single person, so that

:17:57. > :18:02.our membership is broad. You will have seen this yesterday morning.

:18:03. > :18:08.You are GQ's 29th best dressed man of the year. 29th?! Do you have any

:18:09. > :18:15.sartorial advice for the Labour leader? My constituents do not give

:18:16. > :18:20.a monkey's how he dresses. They care about what he is saying. And Howard

:18:21. > :18:29.-- how it will make a difference to them. Do you care? I do not. We have

:18:30. > :18:34.got a clip of him. You know what he is really jealous of, that I can go

:18:35. > :18:39.shopping in the great shopping centre of the world, Holloway Road,

:18:40. > :18:46.and jars stuck in Bond Street! Have you ever shopped on the Holloway

:18:47. > :18:53.Road? I haven't. You should! Bond Street? I have bought a present for

:18:54. > :18:58.a very special lady in Bond Street! Enough teasing! Thank you for coming

:18:59. > :19:00.in. At the last election,

:19:01. > :19:02.Ukip picked up nearly 4 million votes, and yet only won

:19:03. > :19:05.a single seat in Parliament. It's a quirk of the way

:19:06. > :19:07.the electoral system works In fact, 331 of 650 MPs at the last

:19:08. > :19:12.election were elected on under 0% Critics, including our guest

:19:13. > :19:17.of the day, say it's time to introduce some kind of system

:19:18. > :19:19.of proportional representation. General elections -

:19:20. > :19:28.the opportunity for political parties hungry for power to go

:19:29. > :19:31.for the largest slice of the vote. Imagine this formidable gateaux

:19:32. > :19:35.was the last general election. The Conservatives

:19:36. > :19:44.got 36% of the vote. Ukip got more than 12.5% -

:19:45. > :19:57.or an eighth of votes cast. And then came the likes

:19:58. > :20:03.of the Lib Dems, the SNP, the Greens, as well as some

:20:04. > :20:09.of the other smaller parties, But imagine now, this

:20:10. > :20:19.was the House of Commons, and the Conservatives were able

:20:20. > :20:25.to stuff their faces with well over The Labour Party got,

:20:26. > :20:32.well, about... And then all the other

:20:33. > :20:46.parties are left to fight over this tiny little bit,

:20:47. > :20:48.including Ukip, who, having had a sizeable

:20:49. > :20:53.chunk on this cake, including a cherry, now have

:20:54. > :21:01.only a tiny, little bit. The real reason why we need

:21:02. > :21:05.electoral reform is not to advantage any one party - it is to

:21:06. > :21:09.make sure that there At the moment, seven out of ten MPs

:21:10. > :21:16.in the Commons come from safe seats. That means it does not really

:21:17. > :21:19.matter who you vote for - the big party machines in effect

:21:20. > :21:23.choose who gets to be your MP. We need electoral reform

:21:24. > :21:27.to break open that cartel. 700 years of tradition

:21:28. > :21:30.lie behind this The general view is that

:21:31. > :21:36.the so-called first-past-the-post system is, well,

:21:37. > :21:42.a little bit outdated. It is one of the few things

:21:43. > :21:47.the likes of the Lib Dems, the SNP, Plaid Cymru and some

:21:48. > :21:51.Labour MPs agree on. Last May's general election

:21:52. > :21:58.was the most disproportionate Millions of voters'

:21:59. > :22:05.voices went unheard. We saw 5 million Ukip and

:22:06. > :22:15.moment. We saw 5 million Ukip and

:22:16. > :22:20.of people, they began to feel They are a bit

:22:21. > :22:29.of seats cake. They are a bit

:22:30. > :22:46.a first-past-the-post system but when you have got

:22:47. > :23:09.to change the system, doorctep, people do not talk to me

:23:10. > :23:26.about this. They talk doorctep, people do not talk to me

:23:27. > :23:29.credits. It is not an doorctep, people do not talk to me

:23:30. > :23:30.especially winds up doorctep, people do not talk to me

:23:31. > :23:36.winds up doorctep, people do not talk to me

:23:37. > :23:41.3.9 million votes, doorctep, people do not talk to me

:23:42. > :23:41.seat. My point was not necessarily doorctep, people do not talk to me

:23:42. > :23:42.about whether doorctep, people do not talk to me

:23:43. > :23:50.it down the dog and duck - the day. The only absolutely true

:23:51. > :23:52.and fair system would be the day. The only absolutely true

:23:53. > :23:58.an` fair ryctem vould bd to taje all tha fotes nation`lly, dhvade them up

:23:59. > :24:02.an` fair ryctem vould bd to taje all the vote, you have got 30% of the

:24:03. > :24:03.an` fair ryctem vould bd to taje all MPs. Unfortunately that removes

:24:04. > :24:04.an` fair ryctem vould bd to taje all MPs. Unfoptenately that removes the

:24:05. > :24:06.an` fair ryctem vould bd to taje all connection between the person and

:24:07. > :24:12.the constituency. People are elected the constituency. People are elected

:24:13. > :24:16.think it would be the constituency. People are elected

:24:17. > :24:17.What do you say? T`e Electoral Reform Society says,

:24:18. > :24:21.What do you say? T`e Electoral proportional

:24:22. > :24:21.What do you say? T`e Electoral would have taken fewer seats in

:24:22. > :24:24.What do you say? T`e Electoral 2015.

:24:25. > :24:27.What do you say? T`e Electoral a Democrat and

:24:28. > :24:33.What do you say? T`e Electoral respect

:24:34. > :24:38.What do you say? T`e Electoral things on the

:24:39. > :24:42.introduced which have made our democracy

:24:43. > :24:44.introduced which have made our in Scotland - if

:24:45. > :24:46.introduced which have made our taking those

:24:47. > :24:49.introduced which have made our would be an

:24:50. > :24:51.introduced which have made our system, I am

:24:52. > :24:54.introduced which have made our sustainable.

:24:55. > :24:56.introduced which have made our democracy which

:24:57. > :24:57.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by social

:24:58. > :24:59.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by think

:25:00. > :25:01.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by worried not for

:25:02. > :25:04.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by have a

:25:05. > :25:05.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by feeds

:25:06. > :25:07.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by between what happens

:25:08. > :25:07.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by bepween whad happens in Westminster

:25:08. > :25:10.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by and other

:25:11. > :25:12.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by additional

:25:13. > :25:13.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by have in the

:25:14. > :25:15.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by which

:25:16. > :25:19.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by enough in t`e Scottish Parliamdnt I

:25:20. > :25:19.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by do not see why it is not good enough

:25:20. > :25:26.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by for

:25:27. > :25:29.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by we should not move back in any

:25:30. > :25:33.deiocracy w`ich hs facilitated by parliaments which he mentioned. We

:25:34. > :25:36.should go further. That would acpually

:25:37. > :25:38.should go further. That would have

:25:39. > :25:43.should go further. That would count? In Westminster we

:25:44. > :25:46.should go further. That would things like housing and

:25:47. > :25:48.should go further. That would decisions should be

:25:49. > :25:48.should go further. That would decicions s`ould be takdn at a local

:25:49. > :25:50.should go further. That would level. Let's

:25:51. > :25:50.should go further. That would level. Let'c devnlve powers down

:25:51. > :25:52.should go further. That would that people feel t`ey can

:25:53. > :25:56.should go further. That would that people feel they can have

:25:57. > :25:59.should go further. That would re-engage people in a way that

:26:00. > :26:00.should go further. That would not. You have got

:26:01. > :26:01.should go further. That would nop. You hafe got 20

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:26:17. > :26:19.could imagine, and have got to do bnt`. Francly we have

:26:20. > :26:20.voted against it. But that was a have got to do bnt`. Francly we have

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