02/03/2016

:00:37. > :00:39.Morning, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.

:00:40. > :00:49.The Government's published a report today

:00:50. > :00:50.claiming that all alternatives to EU membership

:00:51. > :00:57.and would leave us weaker and less safe.

:00:58. > :00:59.No surprise those camaigning to leave the EU

:01:00. > :01:02.We'll be talking to former Conservative chancellor

:01:03. > :01:05.Norman Lamont, who wants to leave the EU.

:01:06. > :01:07.It looks like it'll be Trump vs Clinton come November's

:01:08. > :01:18.and look like being their respective parties' candidates.

:01:19. > :01:21.And Times journalist Hugo Rifkind gives us his take on the battle

:01:22. > :01:23.between Apple and the FBI over an an iPhone linked

:01:24. > :01:36.Battles we will always bound to lose against digital piracy, pornography,

:01:37. > :01:41.and soft drugs, but now we are looking at battles that really

:01:42. > :01:42.matter, terrorism, organised crime, and those battles are much harder to

:01:43. > :02:09.fight. All that in the next hour and a half

:02:10. > :02:10.and with us for the duration, Cabinet Office Minister, Matt

:02:11. > :02:13.Hancock, the only government minister brave enough to appear on

:02:14. > :02:15.our programme, and Shadow Scottish Secretary, Ian Murray, the only

:02:16. > :02:17.Labour MP in Scotland. Welcome to both of you. Now let's gaze into the

:02:18. > :02:21.Daily Politics Crystal Ball, and find out what the UK would look like

:02:22. > :02:23.if it left the EU. Actually we can't do that because we can't afford a

:02:24. > :02:26.crystal ball. But a new report, published by the government, which

:02:27. > :02:28.backs staying in, does attempt to do that, and, you have guessed it, the

:02:29. > :02:30.report paints a pretty bleak picture.

:02:31. > :02:33.The report, required by law under the European Referendum Act,

:02:34. > :02:35.declares that the UK would be "weaker, less safe and worse off"

:02:36. > :02:39.if it left the EU, with the gloomy analysis arguing that an exit

:02:40. > :02:41.from the EU would see fewer jobs and rising prices.

:02:42. > :02:43.The report also looks at non-EU alternative arrangements.

:02:44. > :02:46.It argues that UK would have to revert to World Trade Organisation

:02:47. > :02:52.rules and accept new costly tariffs on UK exports to the EU.

:02:53. > :02:55.It also states that non-EU members Norway and Switzerland still have

:02:56. > :02:59.to make financial contributions to the EU and accept principle

:03:00. > :03:06.as part of their trading arrangements.

:03:07. > :03:09.While it warns that Switzerland and Canada's arrangements provide

:03:10. > :03:14.only limited access to the single market.

:03:15. > :03:21.Foreign secretary Philip Hammond declared that

:03:22. > :03:22."hard-headed analysis shows working people

:03:23. > :03:30.the pro-exit Work and Pensions Secretary,

:03:31. > :03:39.He has called the report a "dodgy dossier" that "won't fool anyone."

:03:40. > :03:45.The government says that we would be weaker, we would be less safe, we

:03:46. > :03:48.would be worse off if we left the European Union, presumably that is

:03:49. > :03:52.true, whether or not we we negotiated a new deal. That is

:03:53. > :03:57.looking at all of the difficult options available. Even if the Prime

:03:58. > :04:02.Minister had not achieved a renegotiation, that would be true?

:04:03. > :04:08.The good thing... If he had not, that would still be true? It is

:04:09. > :04:11.hypothetical, we did get a good renegotiation, the fact that we get

:04:12. > :04:17.better competitiveness and an ever closer union, ever closer union

:04:18. > :04:21.ending, which to me, is really important, we got those advantages,

:04:22. > :04:25.we have the best of both worlds. Even if you had not come you say it

:04:26. > :04:30.is hypothetical, it is not, Prime Minister told us that if he did not

:04:31. > :04:34.get a deal, he said I would rule nothing out. So if he did not have a

:04:35. > :04:39.deal, would he have plumped for a future in which he would be weaker

:04:40. > :04:45.and less safe and worse off? We would be those things if we left the

:04:46. > :04:50.European Union... With or without a deal? Compare to what is on the

:04:51. > :04:53.table. Also compared to the status quo before renegotiation. The

:04:54. > :04:59.analysis is about the comparison of the good deal we have got, or,

:05:00. > :05:03.leaving altogether. And so actually, the question of what we are

:05:04. > :05:08.comparing, we are comparing the deal that we have got, positive, for

:05:09. > :05:11.competitiveness, ending the ever closer union... The point I'm fine

:05:12. > :05:15.to get you to address, if there is such a big gamble in which so much

:05:16. > :05:19.would go wrong, it must be true that it would have been wrong to take the

:05:20. > :05:24.gamble whether or not we got a renegotiation. In the manifesto we

:05:25. > :05:29.committed to having a referendum, everyone is pleased we are having a

:05:30. > :05:37.referendum. Really? Even the Prime Minister? S, he committed to having

:05:38. > :05:43.it... Why have a referendum? You are saying it would be weaker, less

:05:44. > :05:48.safe, sterling would plummet, uncertainty... Tariff barriers...

:05:49. > :05:53.All of that! Sodom and Camorra! Why would you risk a referendum? We have

:05:54. > :05:58.promised, in the manifesto, and we are fulfilling that commitment, that

:05:59. > :06:02.is why we are having this, and for years, politicians before my time

:06:03. > :06:07.promised a referendum and it never got delivered. -- Sodom and

:06:08. > :06:13.Gomorrah. We can settle this for a generation. Even though leaving is

:06:14. > :06:19.so boring, in your view. It ends the drive towards ever closer union,

:06:20. > :06:24.against better competitiveness, those are important changes. --

:06:25. > :06:26.abhorrent. That means that we can be in the European Union but not on

:06:27. > :06:32.track to a single country called Europe. That is an important change,

:06:33. > :06:36.and on the economics of it, that is paramount for me, that is what got

:06:37. > :06:40.me into this politics in the first place, the economics are not

:06:41. > :06:45.ambiguous, the deal we have got is better than the alternatives.

:06:46. > :06:50.Looking at the alternatives, Norway is one example, that you look at and

:06:51. > :06:56.dismiss, you say that 75% of EU law has got to be adopted by Norway,

:06:57. > :07:00.what does that mean? That is based on lists... What is the figure based

:07:01. > :07:06.on? It is based on what happens in Norway. What is the source? The

:07:07. > :07:10.Foreign Office have analysed the situation that happens in Norway,

:07:11. > :07:16.Switzerland, Canada, and looked at the WTO. I looked at the compiling

:07:17. > :07:23.of the figures, the EU does not dispute these figures, between 2000

:07:24. > :07:30.and 2013, there were 52,000 legal instruments issued by the EU, Norway

:07:31. > :07:36.adopted 4724... 9%... Where does this 75% come from? That is from the

:07:37. > :07:41.Foreign Office. I am asking where they got it from, the after

:07:42. > :07:45.secretary act compiles these figures, their figure is 9%, where

:07:46. > :07:50.does 75 come from? It comes on the analysis of the impact on Norway.

:07:51. > :08:00.Only 100 of these changes required primary legislation. Only 100 out of

:08:01. > :08:03.52,000... That is not 75%. A huge amount of legislation goes through,

:08:04. > :08:10.primary legislation, secondary legislation. That is the 9%. What

:08:11. > :08:16.you are not disputing, and that nobody can dispute, if you choose

:08:17. > :08:20.the New Zealand option, then you end up with the rules and regulations.

:08:21. > :08:30.You end up with the free movement of people. You end up with the rules

:08:31. > :08:34.without having to say over them. How many EU rules... Switzerland given

:08:35. > :08:43.as example, how many rules does it right into its law? It is 0%, I can

:08:44. > :08:46.tell you. Switzerland is a different type of deal, they do not have full

:08:47. > :08:51.access to the single market, but they still have free movement of

:08:52. > :08:56.people. It is a different example. They do not have access to services.

:08:57. > :09:01.But, as you know, there is no single market in services. There is and we

:09:02. > :09:03.are strengthening it, part of the deal and the competitiveness of the

:09:04. > :09:08.deal that the promised brought back is all about our arguments to

:09:09. > :09:14.strengthen the services to the single market. The digital market,

:09:15. > :09:20.that is beginning stronger. The key point is this, the majority of our

:09:21. > :09:23.collar me is services. Indeed. To be in the Swiss position where you are

:09:24. > :09:28.not involved in the single market, you do not have full access, that

:09:29. > :09:32.would hit jobs and prospects. If not having access to the single market

:09:33. > :09:35.is such a disadvantage, Switzerland does not have it, how come, per

:09:36. > :09:42.capita, Twitter link exports five times as much as we do? Physically

:09:43. > :09:47.it is much closer and surrounded by the European Union. That has nothing

:09:48. > :09:52.to do with it. Geography is almost irrelevant in the digital age!

:09:53. > :09:58.Island is the only country... Switzerland, historically, has

:09:59. > :10:01.always been next to... Most of the exports to Ireland do not go through

:10:02. > :10:07.the Northern Ireland border, having aborted makes no difference. --

:10:08. > :10:13.Switzerland exports five times as much as we do. Only one tenth of EU

:10:14. > :10:18.exports come to the UK, that shows that in a renegotiation, were we to

:10:19. > :10:23.leave, then our argument for being able to export to the Yukon would be

:10:24. > :10:35.much more... We would need that more than they would need the 10% from

:10:36. > :10:38.last. -- to the EU. If it is a disadvantage, why has America,

:10:39. > :10:42.Canada and Australia increased their exports to the European Union in the

:10:43. > :10:48.past 20 years far more quickly than we have? Having increased trade

:10:49. > :10:54.across the world, because we started with a high position, because Europe

:10:55. > :10:59.is next door to us, increased trade around the world has happened right

:11:00. > :11:03.across the world. Increased trade between the US and... Why have they

:11:04. > :11:09.done better than us, we are inside and they are not, why is it such an

:11:10. > :11:12.advantage? They have not done better than us in absolute terms but they

:11:13. > :11:19.are trading more with the world, with China, as well, the Americans.

:11:20. > :11:23.It comes back to this, all of these options have big downsides in terms

:11:24. > :11:29.of access to the single market, or, you have to abide by the rules

:11:30. > :11:32.anyway. What we do not know, what underpins this discussion, all the

:11:33. > :11:37.different options, we do not know what leaving would look like, we do

:11:38. > :11:41.not know what the options are. Anybody who wants to leave is

:11:42. > :11:45.putting forward. You also talk about how Europe would impose tariffs, if

:11:46. > :11:49.we did that, we would impose tariffs on Europe, why do you presume that

:11:50. > :11:53.would happen at all, when from Iceland, in the north Atlantic, to

:11:54. > :11:58.Turkey, in Asia Minor, whether you are a member of the year you are

:11:59. > :12:03.not, there are no tariffs. Why would the Europeans pick on us? That is

:12:04. > :12:07.not accurate, looking at the trade deal being done with Canada. I said

:12:08. > :12:11.from Iceland down to Turkey, the outermost stretches of the

:12:12. > :12:14.continent, from Iceland all the way through to Turkey, there are no

:12:15. > :12:21.tariffs. Whether you are in the EU or out. For goods. So, why would the

:12:22. > :12:28.Europeans pick on us? The only one that has them, Belarus. Why would

:12:29. > :12:34.the Europeans position as with Belarus, that is what you are

:12:35. > :12:37.saying. That is what is presumed? No, not at all, it looks at what

:12:38. > :12:42.happens if we do not end up in the single market, if you do not have

:12:43. > :12:45.the free movement of people, then, the WTO rules, the World Trade

:12:46. > :12:50.Organisation rules allow tariffs of up to 10% on things like cars, and

:12:51. > :12:56.in fact, only this morning... This is not just coming from me. Why

:12:57. > :13:00.would the European Union, our allies, our friends, whether we are

:13:01. > :13:04.in or out, why would they pick on us when there is not another country

:13:05. > :13:09.through the whole European continent that has these tariffs? You have

:13:10. > :13:14.just named one. Belarus? LAUGHTER That is a Stalinist dictatorship!

:13:15. > :13:20.Are you saying the European Union would file us with a Stalinist

:13:21. > :13:24.dictatorship? I am not! But, some of the people who want to leave argue

:13:25. > :13:27.for a trade deal like with Canada, and the Canadian example, even

:13:28. > :13:31.though it is not yet passed, it includes these tariffs, but the key

:13:32. > :13:34.point is this, you do not just have to take it from me, from the Foreign

:13:35. > :13:37.Office, from the Foreign Secretary, listen this morning to the justice

:13:38. > :13:44.minister, who wants to leave, he argued that yes, tariffs in things

:13:45. > :13:50.like services and agriculture may go up slightly. You do not have to take

:13:51. > :13:54.it only from me. What I want from people who want to leave is an

:13:55. > :13:57.explanation of what would look like, because I care deeply about the jobs

:13:58. > :14:03.and livelihoods of British people and that is what has made me decide

:14:04. > :14:06.to vote to remain, because I care about the future stability and

:14:07. > :14:11.security of the economy and we just do not know what things would look

:14:12. > :14:12.like if we left. We will be coming back with more questions, don't go

:14:13. > :14:19.away. It is clear that the Shadow Cabinet

:14:20. > :14:22.backs David Cameron's position but Jeremy Corbyn will not share a

:14:23. > :14:25.platform with David Cameron, will you embrace this dossier and what

:14:26. > :14:31.has been set out and use it in the labour campaign? The issue about the

:14:32. > :14:34.dossier is that we do not know what it looks like, the Foreign Office

:14:35. > :14:39.have try to put together some kind of document. -- Labour campaign. I

:14:40. > :14:43.fear that we are in a position where the UK Government is putting forward

:14:44. > :14:46.all of the downsides without the positive case for staying in, like

:14:47. > :14:50.with the Scotland referendum. Would use the claims being made that all

:14:51. > :14:53.of the alternative, as we have just been through, in terms of EU

:14:54. > :14:59.membership, would be worse for Britain? EU membership is good for

:15:00. > :15:03.Britain, being out of the European Union would be bad for Britain, we

:15:04. > :15:07.all agree on that, we want to stay in. If you take that as the premise,

:15:08. > :15:10.the dossier is trying to find their way through what Britain would look

:15:11. > :15:16.like not being part of the European Union. Is it useful? The ad campaign

:15:17. > :15:19.would tell us what that looks like. What the questioning has shown is

:15:20. > :15:23.that nobody knows what it would look like armour that is why we are

:15:24. > :15:28.better off in, whether it is for trade or jobs or investment, we are

:15:29. > :15:38.part of the European Union project. -- nobody knows what it would look

:15:39. > :15:42.like, that is why we are better off. Did David Cameron do a good job with

:15:43. > :15:47.the renegotiation? It was a sideshow, some of it was even in the

:15:48. > :15:51.manifesto, so we do back that, but we must set that aside, we would be

:15:52. > :15:54.campaign to stay in the European Union with or without those changes.

:15:55. > :16:02.If those are the kind of changes he has got, we will accept those.

:16:03. > :16:09.Jeremy Corbyn is going to enthusiastically campaign to stay

:16:10. > :16:12.in, is he? Absolutely. That's why he wants a distinctive labour campaign,

:16:13. > :16:15.because we want the Labour message in this campaign to be brought

:16:16. > :16:20.forward. We don't want the internal squabbles of the Conservative Party

:16:21. > :16:24.to rule this campaign. Do you agree that it is jobs and people's

:16:25. > :16:28.livelihoods that should be at the centre, the forefront, of the remain

:16:29. > :16:33.campaign? I think it should be at the centre and forefront of every

:16:34. > :16:36.single campaign in terms of our pursuit -- constituency MPs. But

:16:37. > :16:41.there is also the big social side of the European Union, whether it be

:16:42. > :16:43.holiday pay, but hers in paternity issues. The social side of Europe is

:16:44. > :16:48.incredibly important. Thank you. Last night across the pond,

:16:49. > :16:50.Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump

:16:51. > :16:52.were celebrating their victories in yesterday's so-called

:16:53. > :16:54.Super Tuesday polls. Super Tuesday is when 11 states

:16:55. > :16:56.choose their candidates for the presidency, and it can be

:16:57. > :17:11.a turning point in the race. What a super Tuesday! Surely only

:17:12. > :17:18.the Americans could make a Tuesday super. All the candidates had some

:17:19. > :17:24.success last night. The Republicans' Ted Cruise taking three states, his

:17:25. > :17:28.rival, Marco Rubio, one. For the Democrats, Bernie Sanders won four

:17:29. > :17:31.states. But it was the night that the presidential race seemed to

:17:32. > :17:35.narrow to being a battle between these two and they're setting their

:17:36. > :17:39.sights on each other. She's been there for so long. If she hasn't

:17:40. > :17:43.straightened it out by now, she's not going to straighten it out in

:17:44. > :17:47.the next four years. It's just going to become worse and worse. It's

:17:48. > :17:52.clear to me that the stakes in this election have never been higher. And

:17:53. > :18:02.the rhetoric we're hearing on the other side has never been lower. The

:18:03. > :18:06.pantomime villain for the Democrats is worrying some Republicans and Mr

:18:07. > :18:11.Trump, even though Ted Cruise is behind you, his call for his rivals

:18:12. > :18:17.to dropout may start to resonate. So long as the field remains divided,

:18:18. > :18:22.Donald Trump's path to the nomination remains more likely. And

:18:23. > :18:28.that would be a disaster for Republicans. And yet last night

:18:29. > :18:34.Donald Trump seemed to strike a conciliatory tone. I'm a unifier. I

:18:35. > :18:39.know people are going to find that hard to believe but believe me, I am

:18:40. > :18:42.a unifier. Much of this campaign has been hard to believe and be election

:18:43. > :18:51.isn't even till November. Thank you all very much.

:18:52. > :18:55.We're joined now by Kate Andrews from Republicans Overseas

:18:56. > :18:58.and by the MP Sir Simon Burns, who makes no secret of his support

:18:59. > :19:06.He's even got a selfie with Hillary Clinton to prove it.

:19:07. > :19:13.We won't show that now. It's daytime television! Kate Andrews, are you

:19:14. > :19:17.now reconciled to Donald Trump being your party's candidate? I think

:19:18. > :19:22.anyone looking at this race would have to assume that he is the very,

:19:23. > :19:25.very likely Republican candidate. Something interesting that came out

:19:26. > :19:30.of last night is how well Senator Ted Cruise did do in a lot of the

:19:31. > :19:37.states. He did well in his own state of Texas and Oklahoma. Second place

:19:38. > :19:43.is very important because it is awarded proportionally it isn't

:19:44. > :19:52.winner take all. You raise a very interesting point. It is very

:19:53. > :19:59.interesting. I would suggest it helps Mr Trump that Mr Cruise is

:20:00. > :20:07.still in the race because the Rubio/ Cruz vote will split and Mr Trump

:20:08. > :20:15.will almost certainly win Florida. At this point to... The grand old

:20:16. > :20:20.party needed the candidates to consolidate weeks ago before super

:20:21. > :20:23.Tuesday. Now that they haven't and Donald Trump is clearly in the lead,

:20:24. > :20:27.I wonder what their strategy will be. It is a bit radical but in some

:20:28. > :20:32.ways now, having more candidates in the race will take delegates away

:20:33. > :20:35.from Donald Trump as well. They might angle for burger convention.

:20:36. > :20:40.It hasn't happened in 60 years so I'm not calling that... Even I

:20:41. > :20:45.didn't cover that. That could be a strategy. Let's take it that Mrs

:20:46. > :20:51.Clinton has got the nomination sewn up. On the indictment over the

:20:52. > :20:56.e-mails over the Clinton's financing, over Rumsfeld, is unknown

:20:57. > :21:01.unknown. Let's part that. She'll be happy she up against Ardron? I would

:21:02. > :21:05.think so because it's quite extraordinary. Most politicians in

:21:06. > :21:08.the Western world, if they've behaved like Donald Trump has in the

:21:09. > :21:13.last two or three months, if they'd spoken over some of the things he's

:21:14. > :21:18.said, they would be toast, and yet he has gone from strength to

:21:19. > :21:22.strength with some things that are pretty distasteful, like mimicking

:21:23. > :21:30.someone who is distasteful etc. Doesn't seem to matter what he says.

:21:31. > :21:33.It doesn't because he seems to be appealing to a certain niche market

:21:34. > :21:38.of voters who are coming out in their droves to support him and if

:21:39. > :21:41.you then look at the policy proposals that he has, apart from

:21:42. > :21:46.the sound bites there isn't much flesh on them in the way that

:21:47. > :21:50.Hillary Clinton is addressing issues that are relevant to the people of

:21:51. > :21:56.America, like health care, the economy, the middle classes. But

:21:57. > :21:59.here's the issue, and I understand the White House view, which is that

:22:00. > :22:03.they are delighted it is Trump. They were terrified it was Rubio. They

:22:04. > :22:11.thought Rubio could win they're delighted it is Trump. But the

:22:12. > :22:17.problem is that no Democratic front runner in recent memory has gone

:22:18. > :22:20.into a presidential campaign, at the general election, with as big a

:22:21. > :22:27.negative as Hillary Clinton. She is vulnerable. Of course she is

:22:28. > :22:31.vulnerable. But when it narrows down to the two candidates, so you don't

:22:32. > :22:34.have a choice of other people as the potential nominee, it will

:22:35. > :22:39.concentrate minds and when you look at the electoral arithmetic of the

:22:40. > :22:45.United States, California, New York, they have the two largest electoral

:22:46. > :22:50.colleges, just under 100, 270 votes, and when you then see the base of

:22:51. > :22:53.the Democratic party, and I think that the people who are

:22:54. > :22:58.idealistically supporting Senator Sanders at the moment will come home

:22:59. > :23:01.to the Democratic party when they realise the sheer horror of what is

:23:02. > :23:06.confronting America with the alternative. One of the things that

:23:07. > :23:09.could swing in Mr Trump's Wake on the general election is if he could

:23:10. > :23:14.attract what we used to call the Reagan Democrats, the former

:23:15. > :23:17.Democratic blue-collar men of Italian Irish background who voted

:23:18. > :23:22.for Mr Reagan in 1980 and not Mr Carter. Is there any sign Mr Trump

:23:23. > :23:27.could do that? Yes, I think the biggest make the rest -- mistake the

:23:28. > :23:30.Republican Party has made so far as to underestimate him and I think

:23:31. > :23:35.most Republicans are doing the same thing. He's not just winning a small

:23:36. > :23:38.proportion of radical votes, he's running Hispanics, he's willing

:23:39. > :23:44.African-Americans, he's winning women. Among Republican registered

:23:45. > :23:50.voters. In a lot of open primaries. In Iowa, 37% of the people who voted

:23:51. > :23:53.went Republicans, they were either Republicans or Democrats. He is

:23:54. > :23:57.appealing to a very wide base of people. But he is policy light in

:23:58. > :24:02.terms of what he stands for and he's really weak on the Fatton policy.

:24:03. > :24:06.You saw what Marco Rubio was able to do to him simply on the Obama care

:24:07. > :24:15.reform. When Hillary Clinton gets hold of him... She's a walking

:24:16. > :24:18.encyclopaedia of our civil stop I wouldn't necessarily agree that he

:24:19. > :24:22.is policy light, just that he is outrageously lacking in policy but

:24:23. > :24:26.will you have to understand is that the American people have been

:24:27. > :24:30.promised polity Saint for the better part of two decades. You had a

:24:31. > :24:33.president who promised hope and change and we haven't seen it. The

:24:34. > :24:37.American people stuff they like their salaries haven't gone up,

:24:38. > :24:43.those jobs aren't there. They're tired of it. It is a point that Mr

:24:44. > :24:49.Trump made in one of his post-victory speeches, Hillary

:24:50. > :24:52.Clinton is promising to do something about wages... His point is, they've

:24:53. > :24:56.been in power for the past eight years and were in power a lot before

:24:57. > :25:01.that as well. Why would it get any better? Because it is already

:25:02. > :25:03.getting better now and it is a sound bite from people who oppose

:25:04. > :25:09.President Obama, without taking into account what is behind it. No change

:25:10. > :25:15.since 2009? What is Obama care? He's the first president... Bad for the

:25:16. > :25:17.middle class. He is the first president who has managed to get

:25:18. > :25:24.health care reform through the Congress. You've also seem that they

:25:25. > :25:28.inherited an economy that had gone down the tubes thanks to George W

:25:29. > :25:33.Bush, who squandered the Bill Clinton surplus and now we are

:25:34. > :25:38.seeing the American economy picking up with wages beginning to improve,

:25:39. > :25:44.unemployment coming down. That is the future and the hope and Hillary

:25:45. > :25:48.Clinton would continue that. Just yes or no, do you fear Mr Trump gets

:25:49. > :25:52.the ticket you could lose the Senate? I think it's very possible.

:25:53. > :25:57.It's also possible that President Trump will come to fruition. Who is

:25:58. > :26:03.going to win? Hillary Clinton. Who is going to win? Between the two of

:26:04. > :26:08.them it is a toss-up, I would be terrified of I was Hillary Clinton.

:26:09. > :26:12.Clinton. I think it is very difficult to call. It is difficult

:26:13. > :26:15.for government ministers to make predictions, I understand.

:26:16. > :26:18.Now, this year is a big one for one of our avid viewers.

:26:19. > :26:24.I hope you're enjoying your gin and Dubonnet, Ma'am.

:26:25. > :26:28.In half an hour, you usually take it, after you been watching the

:26:29. > :26:29.show. And, to commemorate the birthday

:26:30. > :26:32.of our longest serving monarch, politicians are

:26:33. > :26:33.donning their pinnies and high-vis jackets

:26:34. > :26:34.to clean up Britain The Palace is commemorating the big

:26:35. > :26:39.day in its own way. They've released a selection

:26:40. > :26:42.of birthday china for Liz. For just ?55 you can

:26:43. > :26:48.get a cup and saucer or if you have ?89 to spare,

:26:49. > :26:50.you can purchase Hand finished in 22-carat gold,

:26:51. > :26:58.made from the finest English bone china and using traditional

:26:59. > :27:01.techniques that date back 250 years, these will add an elegant

:27:02. > :27:10.touch to your tableware. I always eat by big Mack of one of

:27:11. > :27:14.these. But why would you want a mug fit

:27:15. > :27:17.for a Queen when you can Yes, it's the Daily Politics mug -

:27:18. > :27:21.made from basic something or other, it's probably dishwasher safe

:27:22. > :27:28.and hopefully won't crack. But, if it does -

:27:29. > :27:30.we don't do returns. To win one, all you have to do

:27:31. > :27:38.is tell us what year this happened. Will he tell us

:27:39. > :27:43.what his position is? Madam Speaker, there's one

:27:44. > :27:48.Oh, no, there's one very big difference.

:27:49. > :28:08.follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines

:28:09. > :28:14.Nick Leeson became famous when he lost more than $1 billion

:28:15. > :28:34.John Major's never been the safety first politician he sometimes looks.

:28:35. > :28:38.To remove this uncertainty, I have this afternoon

:28:39. > :28:43.tendered my resignation as leader of the Conservative Party.

:28:44. > :28:48.action find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty

:28:49. > :29:16.To be in with a chance of winning a Daily Politics mug,

:29:17. > :29:19.send your answer to our special quiz email address -

:29:20. > :29:23.Entries must arrive by 12:30pm today, and you can see the full

:29:24. > :29:25.terms and conditions for Guess The Year on our website

:29:26. > :29:31.It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -

:29:32. > :29:34.Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

:29:35. > :29:37.And that's not all - the BBC's deputy political editor

:29:38. > :29:51.Despite the divisions and beer unanimity in the Labour Party,

:29:52. > :29:56.Jeremy Corbyn has demonstrated much interest in raising this as an issue

:29:57. > :30:00.in PMQs. Wildie today? I'll be surprised. It's the open goal. You

:30:01. > :30:06.would think it is the natural weight of debate in Parliament but I think

:30:07. > :30:11.he might try and choose thing left field. Pensions may be. Lots of

:30:12. > :30:16.people are talking about that in terms of when the state pension age

:30:17. > :30:20.may be changed, what sort of transitional protection should be in

:30:21. > :30:23.place, particularly for women. He might go for something... Person I

:30:24. > :30:28.this report about child poverty. He could go on that. The government has

:30:29. > :30:31.announced this morning that they are not going to go ahead with the

:30:32. > :30:36.vaccines for meningitis, which has been a big story in the news in

:30:37. > :30:53.recent weeks. And go to stop you there. We'll find out.

:30:54. > :31:02.Patricia Gibson. Will the Prime Minister take this opportunity to

:31:03. > :31:06.confirm that the UK Government intended to take ?7 billion from

:31:07. > :31:15.Scotland, over a decade, through the fiscal framework West remark and

:31:16. > :31:20.will he take this opportunity to take this opportunity today to

:31:21. > :31:26.explain why that was the case. -- through the fiscal framework? Only

:31:27. > :31:31.the SNP can try to maintain a grievance after the settlement has

:31:32. > :31:34.taken place. What we have done is build a powerhouse parliament for

:31:35. > :31:38.Scotland with more powers, more ability to set tax rates, more

:31:39. > :31:44.ability to determine benefits for its citizens, and now is time for

:31:45. > :31:45.the SNP to stop talking about grievances, and get on with

:31:46. > :31:56.government! CHEERING CSA group in my constituency has

:31:57. > :32:02.recently taken on six new apprentices. Across my constituency

:32:03. > :32:05.we have had more than 1000 apprenticeship starts since 2014,

:32:06. > :32:09.does my right honourable friend agree that this is time for

:32:10. > :32:14.government to stick with the plan, so that even more governments have

:32:15. > :32:20.the ability to take on apprenticeships. We have a very

:32:21. > :32:24.stretching target for 3 million apprentices to be trained during

:32:25. > :32:28.this Parliament, we will do our bit, we want business to do its part, I

:32:29. > :32:33.contributing to the apprenticeship levy, but we need small businesses

:32:34. > :32:36.like CSA, in her constituency, and indeed the public sector, to get

:32:37. > :32:40.fully involved in training apprentices to give young people the

:32:41. > :32:52.chance to earn and learn at the same time. Jeremy Corbyn. It is three

:32:53. > :32:57.years since the government announced a policy of tax free childcare.

:32:58. > :33:04.Could the Prime Minister tell us what is the hold-up? We are

:33:05. > :33:10.introducing that, along with the 30 hours of childcare, for everyone

:33:11. > :33:14.with a three and four-year-olds, with a ?6 billion commitment, with

:33:15. > :33:22.the start of the 30 hours coming in in a pilot scheme this year. Jeremy

:33:23. > :33:25.Corbyn. Mr Speaker, the Treasury website describes it as a long-term

:33:26. > :33:30.plan... LAUGHTER It certainly is that, it was

:33:31. > :33:34.announced in 2013, and is not apparently going to be introduced

:33:35. > :33:38.until next year. Could the Prime Minister tell us why his promise of

:33:39. > :33:44.30 hours free childcare for three and four-year-olds is not there for

:33:45. > :33:50.one in three working parents who want their children to be cared for

:33:51. > :33:54.in preschool? First of all, on the tax relief on childcare, we lost a

:33:55. > :33:57.court case against some of the existing providers, so there was a

:33:58. > :34:03.delay, and the tax free childcare will come in in 2017. As for the 30

:34:04. > :34:07.hours, as I have said, there will be pilot schemes this year, and full

:34:08. > :34:10.temperament Asian next year, in line with what we have said in the

:34:11. > :34:15.manifesto. I'm delighted he is helping me to promote government

:34:16. > :34:19.policy! CHEERING When I became Prime Minister I think

:34:20. > :34:24.we only had ten hours of childcare, now it has gone up to 12, and is now

:34:25. > :34:29.15, and is now 30. These are all the things you can do if you have a

:34:30. > :34:32.strong economy with a sound plan, you are getting your deficit down,

:34:33. > :34:35.your economy is growing, you are able to do all of these things.

:34:36. > :34:42.CHEERING I'm glad we are able to talk about

:34:43. > :34:45.them. Jeremy Corbyn. Today, the National Audit Office report

:34:46. > :34:49.confirms that one third of families promised 30 hours free childcare now

:34:50. > :34:55.will not receive it, this is a broken promise. The report also

:34:56. > :35:00.warns that many childcare providers are not offering the new entitlement

:35:01. > :35:05.due to insufficient funding. There are 41,003 -year-olds missing out on

:35:06. > :35:10.free early education as a result of this. -- 40 1000 three-year-old.

:35:11. > :35:19.Will the Prime Minister intervene and make sure those children get the

:35:20. > :35:23.start in life they deserve? -- 41,000 three-year-olds. The

:35:24. > :35:27.department has successfully in fermented entitlement to free

:35:28. > :35:30.childcare for three and four-year-olds with almost universal

:35:31. > :35:38.take-up of hours offered to parents. -- implemented universal

:35:39. > :35:42.entitlement. The Department has made significant progress in making free

:35:43. > :35:46.entitlement, parents and children are benefiting, stakeholders are

:35:47. > :35:50.positive about increasing the time to 30 hours. All of these things we

:35:51. > :35:53.are able to do because we have a strong and sound economy, what a

:35:54. > :35:58.contrast it would be if we listened to the right honourable gentleman,

:35:59. > :36:01.as I regularly subscribe to the Islington Tribune, I can announce

:36:02. > :36:08.his latest economic adviser, Yanis Varoufakis! He was the Greek finance

:36:09. > :36:22.minister, who left his economy in ruins! That is Labour's policy, into

:36:23. > :36:27.words, Acropolis -- in two words, " Acropolis now". That is not much

:36:28. > :36:30.help to the 41,000 children not benefiting from what they were

:36:31. > :36:33.promised by the government, looking further on in the education life of

:36:34. > :36:38.children, according to the figures from the government, half a million

:36:39. > :36:47.children in primary schools are in classes over 31, 15,000 are in

:36:48. > :36:50.classes of over 40, we all know the importance of both preschool and

:36:51. > :36:56.early years of education to give all of our children a decent start in

:36:57. > :37:01.life. And yet half a million are living in poverty and many are in

:37:02. > :37:06.oversized glasses, isn't it time for a serious government intervention to

:37:07. > :37:12.sort out this problem? -- oversized classes. Introducing the extra hours

:37:13. > :37:16.for childcare is a huge operation for the childcare providers, since

:37:17. > :37:21.the National Audit Office report, that said only 58% of disadvantaged

:37:22. > :37:24.to-year-olds were accessing the free childcare offer, the latest

:37:25. > :37:31.information shows it is over 70% of those. Now, he mentioned the number

:37:32. > :37:36.of teachers and overcrowded classes, there is 13,100 more teachers than

:37:37. > :37:40.there were in 2010, because we have invested in teach first, we have

:37:41. > :37:44.invested in bursaries, we have made sure that teaching is a worthwhile

:37:45. > :37:49.career, when it comes to school places, I want to answer him,

:37:50. > :37:57.because there is 453 fewer schools that are full or overcapacity,

:37:58. > :38:01.compare 220 ten. That is progress. 36,500 fewer pupils who are in

:38:02. > :38:05.schools that are overcrowded. Again, why have we been able to do this? We

:38:06. > :38:08.protected education funding, detected the money that went

:38:09. > :38:12.following every pupil in the school, introduced the pupil premium, the

:38:13. > :38:14.first time any government had recognised the extra needs of

:38:15. > :38:19.children from the most poor backgrounds. We did all of that, the

:38:20. > :38:22.school system is growing, there are more places, fewer overcrowded

:38:23. > :38:28.schools, all because they have the strong economy and the right values

:38:29. > :38:32.in place. Mr Speaker, the problem is that class sizes are growing, the

:38:33. > :38:37.problem is that there is a crisis of teacher shortages as well, and I

:38:38. > :38:41.have been talking, as I am sure the Prime Minister has, too many

:38:42. > :38:45.teachers, I have a question from one, I quote, from Tom, " I have

:38:46. > :38:48.been teaching for ten years and I am currently head of design and

:38:49. > :38:52.technology at a successful secondary school. With increasing numbers of

:38:53. > :38:57.teachers leaving the profession, will the government is now access

:38:58. > :39:01.that there is a crisis of recruitment and also of retention of

:39:02. > :39:06.teachers in this crucial profession?" I have given you the

:39:07. > :39:10.figures, there is 13,000 more teachers in schools than when I

:39:11. > :39:14.became Prime Minister, if he worries about teacher recruitment, explain

:39:15. > :39:20.this: how is it going to help his party's proposal to put up the basic

:39:21. > :39:24.rate of tax, starting in Scotland, that will mean classroom teachers,

:39:25. > :39:29.secondary school teachers, nursery teachers all paying more tax, what

:39:30. > :39:34.we are doing is helping teachers by saying, you can earn ?11,000 before

:39:35. > :39:37.you pay any income tax at all. I don't think that recruiting teachers

:39:38. > :39:41.is simply about money, it is also about having a good school system,

:39:42. > :39:45.which we have in place in this country, it certainly won't help if

:39:46. > :39:49.we listen to Labour and put up people's taxes. The Prime Minister

:39:50. > :39:55.seems to be in a bit of denial here. SHOUTING

:39:56. > :40:01.Ofsted and the National Audit Office all confirmed there is a shortage

:40:02. > :40:04.and a crisis of teachers. Ensuring there is another excellent teachers

:40:05. > :40:11.in our schools is fundamental to the life chances of children. When 70%

:40:12. > :40:17.of head teachers warned they are now using agency staff, is staff there

:40:18. > :40:21.are classroom, isn't it time the government intervened and looked at

:40:22. > :40:26.the real cost of this, damage to children's education, but also, ?1.3

:40:27. > :40:30.billion spent last year on agency teachers. We have this agency

:40:31. > :40:34.working situation in the National Health Service, and also in

:40:35. > :40:40.education, are we moving into an era in which we can turn it agency

:40:41. > :40:45.Britain? He has got to look at the facts, rather than talk down people

:40:46. > :40:49.working so hard to teach children in our schools. Teachers are better

:40:50. > :40:53.qualified than ever, that is the fact, 96.6% of teachers in state

:40:54. > :41:00.funded schools now have a degree or higher qualification. Those are the

:41:01. > :41:05.facts. I would argue that going into teaching, and now, teach first is

:41:06. > :41:08.the most popular destination for Oxbridge graduates, which never

:41:09. > :41:11.happened under a Labour government, if you want to encourage people to

:41:12. > :41:14.go into teaching, you have got to know you have a good school system

:41:15. > :41:18.with more academies, more free schools. -- Teach First. Higher

:41:19. > :41:23.qualification, making sure we have rig and discipline in the classroom,

:41:24. > :41:27.all of which has improved, but all of that is only possible if you have

:41:28. > :41:38.a strong and growing economy to fund the schools that our children need.

:41:39. > :41:42.In my constituency, we have one of several UK power stations, which has

:41:43. > :41:46.seen closure this year. In Germany and Holland, both of whose carbon

:41:47. > :41:53.emissions are higher, they are building brand-new mega power

:41:54. > :41:58.stations, much of that we are going to import. It is very hard, for me

:41:59. > :42:00.to expand the logic of this to my constituents, could the Prime

:42:01. > :42:04.Minister review the pace of our closure programme, particularly in

:42:05. > :42:10.the context of next year 's energy crunch. My honourable friend raises

:42:11. > :42:15.an important question, he is right, there is big change in the industry,

:42:16. > :42:19.we want to see an increase in gas capacity, an increase in renewable

:42:20. > :42:23.capacity and the restarting of the nuclear programme, which I hope to

:42:24. > :42:26.be discussing with the French president this week. He is right

:42:27. > :42:29.that security of supply must be the number one priority, that is why we

:42:30. > :42:34.have announced we will bring forward the capacity market to provide this

:42:35. > :42:38.extra boost to existing stations, this could indeed help Fiddlers

:42:39. > :42:43.Ferry itself. I say to him and everybody across the house, all of

:42:44. > :42:46.the decisions we take about energy, they have consequences for peoples

:42:47. > :42:51.bills. He mentions Germany, German electricity prices are 40% higher

:42:52. > :42:57.than in the UK, the level of subsidies makes up 30% of German

:42:58. > :43:01.bills, ours is less than half that level, and we have got to think

:43:02. > :43:07.through these decisions for the consequences for energy consumers.

:43:08. > :43:10.Angus Roberts and. We all have a right not to be disconnected

:43:11. > :43:15.against. On the basis of age, gender, six, sexual orientation,

:43:16. > :43:24.disability or ethnicity. Parents have right is to paternity and

:43:25. > :43:32.maternity entitlement. -- Angus Robertson. All of the things --

:43:33. > :43:35.semi-things are guaranteed through membership of the European Union,

:43:36. > :43:38.does the Prime Minister guarantee that there are due to social

:43:39. > :43:43.benefits to being members of the European Union. What we have done,

:43:44. > :43:48.including under this government, is actually add to the right that

:43:49. > :43:52.people have, including maternity and paternity rights. I think that the

:43:53. > :43:56.emphasis on Europe now needs to be making sure that weeks band the

:43:57. > :44:00.single market and make it more successful for businesses,

:44:01. > :44:04.recognising the social benefits matter as well but principally, I

:44:05. > :44:09.believe they are a matter for this house. Angus Robertson. Millions of

:44:10. > :44:14.UK citizens live elsewhere in the European Union, European decisions

:44:15. > :44:17.have helped the environment reducing sulphur dioxide emissions by nine

:44:18. > :44:24.tenths, relations between 28 EU member states are often imperfect

:44:25. > :44:29.but they occur through dialogue and agreement, surely a huge improvement

:44:30. > :44:33.on confrontations and wards of the past. With the Prime Minister

:44:34. > :44:36.concentrate on the positive arguments for EU membership, and

:44:37. > :44:42.reject the approach of "Project Fear". My arguments about being

:44:43. > :44:47.stronger in the refund European Union, and safer, and better off in

:44:48. > :44:51.the refund European Union, are all positive arguments, and I would add

:44:52. > :44:54.the point that he makes, things like pollution, crosses borders, and it

:44:55. > :44:59.makes sense to work together. The fundamental point he makes is one

:45:00. > :45:03.worth thinking about, he and I are both post-war children, but we

:45:04. > :45:07.should never forget, when we sit around the table, that 70 years ago,

:45:08. > :45:14.these countries were murdering each other, on the continent of Europe.

:45:15. > :45:17.For all the frustrated of this institution, and believe me, there

:45:18. > :45:21.are many, we should never forget that, the fact that we talk and work

:45:22. > :45:28.together and resolve disputes around the table. Alberto Costa. Those who

:45:29. > :45:37.foster children deserve our full support. To mark fostering February,

:45:38. > :45:41.I visited in my constituency a fostering unit which since

:45:42. > :45:46.establishment in 2003 has helped over 1250 children, find a loving

:45:47. > :45:51.and caring home. Would my right honourable friend join me in

:45:52. > :45:54.thanking the unit, as well as the carers, but would he also agreed to

:45:55. > :46:00.look into how the currently complex funding arrangements for over 18s

:46:01. > :46:01.could be considerably simplified to ease the transition of children into

:46:02. > :46:19.adult third. We all know as parents it is very

:46:20. > :46:23.important to give people the support they need. That's why we changed the

:46:24. > :46:26.law in the last parliament so local authorities are under a duty to

:46:27. > :46:30.support young people who choose to remain with their foster carers

:46:31. > :46:34.beyond the age of 18. We put in place what is called a staying put

:46:35. > :46:38.arrangement and are providing 40 formerly pounds over three years. In

:46:39. > :46:41.the first year of its roll-out, almost half of those eligible to

:46:42. > :46:48.stay but have decided to do so. This is a real advance in our fostering

:46:49. > :46:51.arrangements. Thank you, Mr Speaker. As this is my first ever question to

:46:52. > :46:56.the Prime Minister, I do hope... CHEERING

:46:57. > :47:03.I do hope my suit and tie matches mother's high expectations. Mr

:47:04. > :47:07.Speaker, in September last year, 16-year-old Mohammed was stabbed to

:47:08. > :47:11.death in my constituency. His mother discovered last week the CPS will

:47:12. > :47:15.not be prosecuting the man arrested for his murder. Sadly, she joins the

:47:16. > :47:19.84% people in Southwark are experienced by crime last year who

:47:20. > :47:22.have seen no one held to account. Home Office blamed local police for

:47:23. > :47:27.that Lopez occasioned great and I resent the position that my local

:47:28. > :47:30.elites are not up to the job. Will the Prime Minister ensure that my

:47:31. > :47:35.local police have the resources to investigate knife crime fully and

:47:36. > :47:37.bring more killers to justice? The honourable gentleman uses his first

:47:38. > :47:40.question to raise an incredibly important issue which is knife crime

:47:41. > :47:45.in our country. The good news is that knife crime has come down about

:47:46. > :47:49.14% since 2010 but he makes an important point about the level of

:47:50. > :47:53.prosecutions. Last year there were something like 11,000 prosecutions.

:47:54. > :47:57.The rate of prosecution is similar as for other areas but clearly

:47:58. > :48:03.everything we can do to help the police, the CPS to increase the rate

:48:04. > :48:06.of prosecution is wholly worthwhile. We need to give the police the

:48:07. > :48:10.resources they need and we are, through the spending round. We need

:48:11. > :48:13.to educate young people on the dangers of knife crime and we need

:48:14. > :48:23.to make sure those who commit these crimes are properly punished. Mr

:48:24. > :48:33.Bernard Jenkin. Where is the fellow? He's not here. Well let's hear from

:48:34. > :48:43.someone who is here, Mr David Davis. For five or six years... Order. I

:48:44. > :48:47.know the houses in a state of some motivation but we must hear from The

:48:48. > :48:55.Right Honourable gentleman when he's composed himself. Mr David Davis.

:48:56. > :48:59.Thank you, Mr Speaker. For five or six years, national insurance

:49:00. > :49:02.numbers issue to EU migrants have been hundreds of thousands higher

:49:03. > :49:07.than the official immigration figures. This implies the figures

:49:08. > :49:13.may be a dramatic underestimate. We can only know the truth of the

:49:14. > :49:17.matter is HMRC release the data on active EU national insurance buzz,

:49:18. > :49:23.which HMRC has refused to do. Will the Prime Minister instructed HMRC

:49:24. > :49:27.to release those statistics so that we know the truth about European

:49:28. > :49:35.immigration? And glad we've got the single transferable question, if not

:49:36. > :49:39.the single transferable vote. The reason why these numbers don't tally

:49:40. > :49:42.is you can get a national insurance number for a very short-term visit

:49:43. > :49:46.and people who are already here without insurance number can apply

:49:47. > :49:51.for them, so these numbers are quite complex. The HMRC has given greater

:49:52. > :49:58.information and I will make sure that continues to be the case. The

:49:59. > :50:04.proposed changes to Sunday trading are causing great concern to many

:50:05. > :50:09.retailers, shop workers, to their families, to faith groups and to all

:50:10. > :50:14.who want to Keep Sunday Special, get before the election the Prime

:50:15. > :50:19.Minister said he had no plans to change Sunday Trading laws. When did

:50:20. > :50:22.he change his mind or was it always his plan to scrap this great British

:50:23. > :50:27.compromise as soon as the election was safely out of the way? Well, I

:50:28. > :50:33.thought it was right to bring forward these proposals because they

:50:34. > :50:37.are genuinely new proposals. New in that we are devolving to local

:50:38. > :50:41.authorities to make those decisions and secondly, crucially, I'm sure

:50:42. > :50:45.honourable members opposite will be interested in this, we will be

:50:46. > :50:49.introducing new protections not only for new workers on Sundays but for

:50:50. > :50:53.all workers on Sundays and so I think the house should look

:50:54. > :50:58.carefully at this idea, not least because our constituents are able to

:50:59. > :51:02.shop online all day, every day, including Sunday. All the evidence

:51:03. > :51:07.shows this will be welcomed by customers, will create more jobs and

:51:08. > :51:16.I think we have nothing to be scared of moving into this new arrangement.

:51:17. > :51:24.Thank you, Mr Speaker. At the weekend I visited a Young enterprise

:51:25. > :51:27.trade fair where teams from across local Staffordshire schools,

:51:28. > :51:31.including Rugeley sixth form Academy, where showcasing their

:51:32. > :51:33.entrepreneurial skills. Will my right honourable friend join me in

:51:34. > :51:39.wishing good luck to all of the teams and does he agree that with

:51:40. > :51:44.me, initiatives such as this are key to inspiring the next generation of

:51:45. > :51:47.entrepreneurs? I think my honourable friend makes an important point,

:51:48. > :51:51.which is four years in our schools not enough was done to encourage

:51:52. > :51:55.enterprise and entrepreneurship when we know that so many jobs of the

:51:56. > :51:59.future will come from start-up businesses and small businesses and

:52:00. > :52:02.rapidly growing start-ups, so it is absolutely right that in our schools

:52:03. > :52:07.we should be promoting enterprise, not only through teaching but also

:52:08. > :52:15.to exercises including starting businesses for young people by

:52:16. > :52:18.giving them small grants. Yesterday, a north-east SME ceased to trade.

:52:19. > :52:24.Their goal was the extraction of gas from coal deep under the North Sea.

:52:25. > :52:29.The Government failed to abide -- provide a supporting statement to

:52:30. > :52:32.support investment due to its inability to compound that not only

:52:33. > :52:36.would the company secure our energies apply but also provide

:52:37. > :52:40.feedstocks to grow our industries and all of that totally decarbonise

:52:41. > :52:43.stop Will the Prime Minister look at this appalling loss of opportunity

:52:44. > :52:48.and urgently change course and develop a meaningful industrial and

:52:49. > :52:53.energy strategy that British industry and workers and the planet

:52:54. > :52:57.so badly need? I will certainly look at the case that he raises because

:52:58. > :53:02.we back all energy projects that could create jobs and create growth

:53:03. > :53:07.in our country and we have a very active industrial strategy for that.

:53:08. > :53:10.I know that he's disappointed about our decision on carbon capture and

:53:11. > :53:16.storage but I would say to him that that is an extra capital investment

:53:17. > :53:21.and even after that, there is no sign yet that carbon capture or

:53:22. > :53:23.storage can be even close to competitive to even nuclear power

:53:24. > :53:33.offshore wind but I will look carefully E mentions. -- at the case

:53:34. > :53:37.he mentions. A large proportion of the fish caught by British vessels

:53:38. > :53:41.and landed in the UK are exported to Europe, mainly to EU countries, and

:53:42. > :53:44.a great many of our fishermen fish in the sovereign waters of other

:53:45. > :53:50.European Union countries. In a reformed regime, reforms that were

:53:51. > :53:54.led by the British government. Does my right honourable friend agree

:53:55. > :53:58.that our sees, those that exploit them and the communities that they

:53:59. > :54:03.support, are better off in a reformed European Union? I agree

:54:04. > :54:08.with my honourable friend and I pay tribute to him for the huge work

:54:09. > :54:13.that he did to reform the common fisheries policy from what was a

:54:14. > :54:17.very poor policy to one that is now working much better for our

:54:18. > :54:20.fishermen. When it comes to fishing and farming, the key issue is going

:54:21. > :54:25.to be making sure that Europe's markets remain open to the produce

:54:26. > :54:31.that we land and we produce and that I think is going to be vital in the

:54:32. > :54:38.debate in the months ahead. When more than 16,000... 1600 families

:54:39. > :54:43.are on York's waiting list, when care workers are forced to leave the

:54:44. > :54:47.city due to the cost of renting, when young families are placed in

:54:48. > :54:51.single rooms in homeless hostels and when supported housing schemes will

:54:52. > :54:58.have to close due to benefit changes, can the Prime Minister

:54:59. > :55:01.specifically state why, up to 2500 predominantly high-value homes are

:55:02. > :55:06.being planned for development in York Central without building a

:55:07. > :55:10.single home for social rent? The decisions made in York about

:55:11. > :55:15.planning for York City Council and their local plan but what I would

:55:16. > :55:20.say to her, one of the things that we did in the last parliament was

:55:21. > :55:24.specifically designed to help York, was to change the change of use

:55:25. > :55:28.provisions so that empty offices could be used to build flats and

:55:29. > :55:32.houses for local people, which is happening in York and will help to

:55:33. > :55:38.make sure that city continues to thrive. Will my right honourable

:55:39. > :55:40.friend agree to meet me and my constituent William Lawrie, a

:55:41. > :55:44.brilliant young farmer whose business has been put at risk

:55:45. > :55:50.because the RPA haven't paid his basic payment scheme money? Will he

:55:51. > :55:54.also confirmed that the RPA figures that they keep putting out our

:55:55. > :56:00.fictional, or does he agree with his Defra secretary that it is the EU's

:56:01. > :56:05.commissioners' fault for making the cap so compensated? What I would say

:56:06. > :56:09.to my honourable friend is that the system is complicated and we need to

:56:10. > :56:15.make sure that the rural payments agency does the very best that it

:56:16. > :56:20.can. To date, 70,000 farmers have received their 2015 payments, which

:56:21. > :56:22.is now 81% of all claims paid but there is always room for

:56:23. > :56:27.improvement. We should look at all the devolved areas of the UK and see

:56:28. > :56:32.how they are coping with this problem. In terms of the issue more

:56:33. > :56:36.broadly, I think it's very important we maintain the access that our

:56:37. > :56:39.farmers have without tariffs, without tax, without quota, to

:56:40. > :56:46.produce the cleanest and best food anywhere in the world and explored

:56:47. > :56:51.it -- export it to 500 million people in the EU single market.

:56:52. > :56:57.Yesterday the chair of the board of international campaign for Tibet

:56:58. > :57:01.came to the House of Commons to meet with members of parliament as well

:57:02. > :57:07.as you, Mr Speaker. Will the Prime Minister follow the example set by

:57:08. > :57:10.the United States, Canada, Germany and Japan and write to the Chinese

:57:11. > :57:13.authorities to express his concerns about their oppressive

:57:14. > :57:21.counterterrorism laws, introduced in Tibet? I wasn't aware of that visit.

:57:22. > :57:24.I will look very closely at what he said and perhaps get back to the

:57:25. > :57:37.honourable lady about the issues he raises. In 2004, the 16-year-old

:57:38. > :57:40.some of my constituent Lorraine Fraser was murdered by a gang and

:57:41. > :57:44.the conviction of four of them was secured by joint enterprise. The

:57:45. > :57:48.recent ruling in the Supreme Court has caused Lorraine and many other

:57:49. > :57:51.Victors' families a great deal of anxiety. Would my right are both

:57:52. > :57:55.friend agreed to facilitate a meeting to enable these families to

:57:56. > :57:57.discuss their concerns with ministers and understand what the

:57:58. > :58:05.ruling might mean in cases like there's? Well, through my honourable

:58:06. > :58:08.friend, can I extend my sympathy is to his constituents? He is

:58:09. > :58:10.absolutely right, we should remember that the families of all those

:58:11. > :58:13.who've lost loved ones to dreadful crimes who are worried about this

:58:14. > :58:18.judgment and what it might mean for them. I'm very happy to facilitate a

:58:19. > :58:21.meeting between him and one of the justice ministers to discuss it. We

:58:22. > :58:24.should be clear that this judgment only referred to a narrow category

:58:25. > :58:28.of joint enterprise cases and I think it would be wrong to suggest

:58:29. > :58:31.that everyone convicted under the wider law on joint enterprise will

:58:32. > :58:34.have grounds for appeal. It is very important that message goes out but

:58:35. > :58:40.I will fix the meeting that he calls for. People in the Midlands are

:58:41. > :58:42.absolutely furious to learn that the Government's awarded a contract to

:58:43. > :58:48.make British medals to some French company. Imagine it, Mr Speaker. You

:58:49. > :58:58.open your distinguished service order or CBE and it says "Made in

:58:59. > :59:01.France". I visited Midlands metal manufacturers in Birmingham's

:59:02. > :59:07.jewellery Quarter. They are the best in the world. We should go back to

:59:08. > :59:10.Downing Street -- he should go back to Downing Street, call in the

:59:11. > :59:13.Cabinet Office minister and get this scandal sorted out. The only point

:59:14. > :59:17.Cabinet Office minister and get this would make to the honourable

:59:18. > :59:22.gentleman is, I'm sure all of those in the Royal Mint in Wales would

:59:23. > :59:25.want to contest the fact that they make the finest medals in the United

:59:26. > :59:29.Kingdom and I'm sure the competition between them and Birmingham is very

:59:30. > :59:33.intense. I'll certainly take away what he says. I wasn't aware of this

:59:34. > :59:36.issue but I'm always in favour, where we can make something in

:59:37. > :59:45.Britain, we should make something in Britain. A recent investigation

:59:46. > :59:47.carried out by my local newspaper, the Derby Telegraph, uncovered

:59:48. > :59:52.reports of alleged experiments carried out on children by medics at

:59:53. > :59:57.a medical facility in Derbyshire during the 1960s and 1970s. Can I

:59:58. > :00:01.ask the Prime Minister to ensure that a thorough investigation into

:00:02. > :00:04.this situation is now undertaken? I'm very happy to give my honourable

:00:05. > :00:08.friend that assurance. She is absolutely right to raise this. They

:00:09. > :00:12.are very serious allegations and it's vital that the full facts are

:00:13. > :00:16.considered. My understanding is that the police, the local authority and

:00:17. > :00:19.NHS working together and there's an inquiry process under the Derby

:00:20. > :00:22.safeguarding children board in line with its procedures. I would

:00:23. > :00:28.encourage anyone who knows anything about this to come forward and give

:00:29. > :00:33.evidence to that board. The Syrian ceasefire is extremely fragile.

:00:34. > :00:39.There are reports that Russia is continuing to attack anti-Assad

:00:40. > :00:45.rebels, not Daesh, and that Islamic terrorists and weapons continue to

:00:46. > :00:49.pass into Syria across the Turkish border. What is the British

:00:50. > :00:53.Government doing to ensure the ceasefire is properly monitored and,

:00:54. > :00:58.in particular, to reduce serious tensions between Russia and our Nato

:00:59. > :01:03.ally Turkey? The honourable lady is absolutely right to raise this. The

:01:04. > :01:07.cessation of hostilities is an important step forward, imperfect

:01:08. > :01:10.though it is, and it does enable the possibility of political

:01:11. > :01:13.negotiations starting next week. She asks service and agree what we are

:01:14. > :01:17.proud to admit it is properly enforced stop we are working with

:01:18. > :01:22.the Americans and Russians to make that happen. I've got a European

:01:23. > :01:27.conference call with Vladimir Putin later this week to reinforce these

:01:28. > :01:31.points. Even though the ceasefire is imperfect, it is progress that we

:01:32. > :01:36.have it. Not every group is included in the ceasefire but basically there

:01:37. > :01:40.aren't the attacks that were taking place on the moderate opposition,

:01:41. > :01:43.which is welcome, and it is also enabled us with others to get aid

:01:44. > :01:50.into communities that desperately need it, including through airdrops

:01:51. > :01:53.and convoys. So I wouldn't put too much optimism into the mix right now

:01:54. > :02:00.but this is progress and we should work on it. Two weeks ago I visited

:02:01. > :02:06.a refugee Cap and the surrounding area on the Jordanian/Syrian border,

:02:07. > :02:10.primarily to assist health care services. I was struck by the

:02:11. > :02:14.remarkable resilience the local people have and this system is under

:02:15. > :02:18.quite significant pressure. Would the Prime Minister meet with me to

:02:19. > :02:22.discuss further what Britain can do to enhance health care services on

:02:23. > :02:26.the ground, both for the Syrian refugees and the wider Jordanian

:02:27. > :02:29.community? I'm very happy to meet with my honourable friend to discuss

:02:30. > :02:33.this. It is an extra ordinary sight, that refugee camp, because of the

:02:34. > :02:36.scale of the endeavour under way. Britain can be proud of what we've

:02:37. > :02:40.done in terms of the direct aid we've given and also the London

:02:41. > :02:44.conference that raised $11 billion for these refugee camps. I know he's

:02:45. > :02:49.got a long-standing interest on what we can do to make sure facilities

:02:50. > :02:52.are delivered quickly, including on occasions using military facilities,

:02:53. > :02:55.and I think there may be opportunities for that but we also

:02:56. > :02:59.need to make sure the emergency response from NGOs and the knighted

:03:00. > :03:03.nations is as fast as it can be when crises like this happen in the

:03:04. > :03:06.future. As the Prime Minister struggles with certain elements in

:03:07. > :03:14.his party over Europe, does he ever think that on an inspirational Prime

:03:15. > :03:17.Minister -- think back on an inspirational Prime Minister, Harold

:03:18. > :03:21.Wilson, who faced difficulties but stood up to the rebels in his own

:03:22. > :03:26.party and secured a yes vote for staying in Europe, and will he join

:03:27. > :03:30.with me because Harold Wilson's Centenary of his birth is next week

:03:31. > :03:35.and could be celebrated across all parties, a great innovative Prime

:03:36. > :03:39.Minister. I do feel a natural sympathy for anyone who has had this

:03:40. > :03:45.job. Irrespective of what side of the house we're on. I think he did

:03:46. > :03:50.do some important things and the honourable gentleman has some

:03:51. > :03:57.important things. I wish his family well on this important day and I

:03:58. > :04:00.think we approach things in different ways but one thing we

:04:01. > :04:11.would have agreed about is Britain's future is better off in a reformed

:04:12. > :04:17.EU. I'm sure the whole house will join me in expressing our

:04:18. > :04:20.condolences to Neil and Jennifer Burdett, the parents of two-year-old

:04:21. > :04:27.Fay, who died on Valentine's Day of meningitis B. Since they's death,

:04:28. > :04:30.815,000 people have signed a petition calling for the Government

:04:31. > :04:35.to vaccinate more children against meningitis B. I'm proud that the UK

:04:36. > :04:38.is the first country to have a vaccination programme for meningitis

:04:39. > :04:41.B but could my right honourable friend make sure the government

:04:42. > :04:47.looks at what more can be done to prevent more children like fei dying

:04:48. > :04:52.from this disease? On behalf of the whole house, let me extend my

:04:53. > :04:55.sympathies and condolences to Faye's parents and all those who have had

:04:56. > :04:58.children suffering from this terrible disease. By Robert friend

:04:59. > :05:01.is absolutely right, we were the first country in the world to have

:05:02. > :05:05.this vaccination programme, which is based on the advice of the joint

:05:06. > :05:09.committee on vaccination and immunisation who recommended

:05:10. > :05:12.targeting the vaccine to protect the infant at highest risk. The

:05:13. > :05:16.incidence of highest risk it does occur in babies at five months and

:05:17. > :05:20.of the 276 children contracting meningitis B last year, over 100

:05:21. > :05:24.were one year of age but she makes important points. We need to look at

:05:25. > :05:28.all the evidence carefully, as do the expert bodies that advise us,

:05:29. > :05:31.recognising that Britain is already taking some important steps forward

:05:32. > :05:42.by being the first country to vaccinate in this way.

:05:43. > :05:47.Leader of the Opposition Jeremy Corbyn went on education related

:05:48. > :05:51.issues, to begin with, childcare for infants, then moved on to what he

:05:52. > :06:04.said was a growing crisis in teachers and growing class sizes.

:06:05. > :06:06.Attacking Tory cuts has been a successful Labour strategy,

:06:07. > :06:11.according to one viewer, but the point is an additional childcare

:06:12. > :06:17.provision did not hit home, just gave David Cameron an opportunity to

:06:18. > :06:22.talk about an area of policy where Tories are weak. Same drivel from

:06:23. > :06:29.the Romans as usual, says one viewer, and our viewers so dumb that

:06:30. > :06:33.backbenchers need to be asking planted questions. James Patterson

:06:34. > :06:40.says, Jeremy Corbyn bleeding all over the floor, Prime Minister

:06:41. > :06:47.drowning him under a sea of figures. Jeremy Corbyn, new suit, proper

:06:48. > :06:52.tire, and up to the collar, now David Cameron's mother only needs to

:06:53. > :07:02.teach him how to do a Windsor knot! That was a Windsor knot... I thought

:07:03. > :07:09.you would say that. I do it automatically, I do not even know

:07:10. > :07:14.how to do it if you ask me, it is automatic! Isn't the problem, there

:07:15. > :07:19.is the other things on the news agenda, that Jeremy Corbyn's

:07:20. > :07:24.contribution to PMQs is largely likely to be ignored. It is a

:07:25. > :07:27.strategic choice that he has made, not to follow the Westminster

:07:28. > :07:36.agenda, to do his own thing, to settle on the issues he wants to

:07:37. > :07:39.settle on, it is right for the government to be challenged on these

:07:40. > :07:43.policies, what frustrates Labour MPs is two things, the execution of

:07:44. > :07:49.this, if we go on education, don't go on everything, don't go on class

:07:50. > :07:53.sizes... Choose one thing. Really nail in on this, jabber away, all

:07:54. > :08:00.six questions, when you get to the fifth or sixth, you get to expose

:08:01. > :08:03.prime ministers. They have run out of their brief. Labour MPs are also

:08:04. > :08:07.frustrated that they have nothing to say on the issue of the moment,

:08:08. > :08:11.Britain's place in the European Union. I know this will be a long

:08:12. > :08:15.campaign with many months to go but it is the only thing that

:08:16. > :08:18.Westminster and politicians and the newspapers are talking about. A lot

:08:19. > :08:23.of Labour MPs are frustrated that they are almost not having a voice

:08:24. > :08:28.in this debate, that begins to worry them. That is true, perhaps

:08:29. > :08:32.inevitably, because the big divisions are inside the

:08:33. > :08:36.Conservative Party, but the debate, the argument, seems to be taking

:08:37. > :08:41.place almost with Labour having a walk on part. I wonder if that is

:08:42. > :08:44.also not because a lot of people, including on your own side, feel

:08:45. > :08:50.that his heart is not quite in it, when it was the big in day last

:08:51. > :08:55.Saturday, he spoke with a CND rally. I will tell you why he has gone on

:08:56. > :08:59.education. Could you address my question first. And then we will

:09:00. > :09:02.come back. But it is linked, the genesis of your question, why isn't

:09:03. > :09:07.he talking about Europe at the dispatch box, why is he not pressing

:09:08. > :09:11.on the divisions of the Conservative Party, but he is enthusiastically

:09:12. > :09:17.supporting staying in the Hugh the party is supporting that. Where we

:09:18. > :09:22.have seen that enthusiasm...? Backing the campaign, the Shadow

:09:23. > :09:28.Cabinet is fully supportive. He went to a CND rally last Saturday, that

:09:29. > :09:34.was meant to be Labour's day of in and it was full remain... Going to

:09:35. > :09:39.the CND rally, all of the headlines were about Jeremy Corbyn going

:09:40. > :09:43.there. Bottom line, we are trying to create a division in the Labour

:09:44. > :09:48.Party which does not exist. Every single Labour MP is enthusiastically

:09:49. > :09:51.supporting the campaign to stay in the European Union, you have seen a

:09:52. > :09:55.premises question, the divisions are on the Conservatives. We are very

:09:56. > :09:59.united in the message the Labour Party is putting out, the reason

:10:00. > :10:03.Jeremy Corbyn did not go on the European Union today on the dispatch

:10:04. > :10:06.box, most parents are founding out this week which secondary school

:10:07. > :10:09.their children will be going too, very current in terms of ordinary

:10:10. > :10:13.parents up and down the country, they will watch that and think, I

:10:14. > :10:16.have just had a letter which means I cannot get into the secondary

:10:17. > :10:27.school, even I live in the catchment area. Given that he chose to go on

:10:28. > :10:31.that area, why did he not include, from the Institute for Fiscal

:10:32. > :10:36.Studies, these quite serious figures about the growth of child poverty.

:10:37. > :10:41.About the end of the decade. Surely, for a Labour leader, it is an easy

:10:42. > :10:47.link, as well, to link education and child poverty, did not even mention

:10:48. > :10:56.that. New has mention the national audit in terms of education. I am

:10:57. > :11:00.not in the room when he is discussing what to do. Why not?

:11:01. > :11:06.Would you like to be? LAUGHTER You write some very good jokes for

:11:07. > :11:12.the Prime Minister. That Acropolis one was terrible. The Leader of the

:11:13. > :11:15.Opposition can go on a plethora of subjects, going through the analysis

:11:16. > :11:19.of what is best, one of the things he's trying to do is go on real

:11:20. > :11:22.issues, rather than fuelling this Westminster bubble of continually

:11:23. > :11:26.banging on about Europe. What is the point of being Labour leader if you

:11:27. > :11:31.do not highlight a potentially devastating report on child poverty?

:11:32. > :11:36.It is important that he does. But also... It is also important to the

:11:37. > :11:39.party leader to be on the side of parents who are really concerned

:11:40. > :11:43.about the shortages of school places, who are receiving those

:11:44. > :11:46.letters this week. He is raising that issue directly with the prime

:11:47. > :11:53.and it, why are you not sorting this? Coming back to Europe, are you

:11:54. > :11:58.worried? You need Scottish national votes and Labour votes to win -- he

:11:59. > :12:05.is raising that issue directly with the Prime Minister. Are you worried

:12:06. > :12:14.about Jeremy Corbyn's enthusiasm for Europe? The Labour Party is pretty

:12:15. > :12:23.much united in favour of in. There is a huge amount of Labour support

:12:24. > :12:27.for that position. Are you worried about the apparent lack of

:12:28. > :12:31.enthusiasm from Jeremy Corbyn? Not really. The thing that lay beneath

:12:32. > :12:35.the more to get the Labour vote out. Jeremy Corbyn is not the most

:12:36. > :12:45.appealing political figure for the general public. We need the voices

:12:46. > :12:49.that the public trust. Would you share a stage with him? I'm not

:12:50. > :12:53.planning on, I think that he has said that he will not share a

:12:54. > :13:00.platform with any of us, but it is about allowing people to decide. I

:13:01. > :13:05.don't think Jeremy Corbyn... Doesn't matter what he says? It is ordinary

:13:06. > :13:11.voices that will win or lose this, not all editions. It could be won or

:13:12. > :13:16.lost on turnout. If you want to stay in Europe, you need to get the vote

:13:17. > :13:20.out. It is not about Jeremy Corbyn, it is about the argument, the case,

:13:21. > :13:24.the economy will be stronger. One question that was very accurate, the

:13:25. > :13:28.Prime Minister should have been brave enough to say to the Tories,

:13:29. > :13:32.we have a deal, we are voting in, the fact he has not done that makes

:13:33. > :13:38.a huge split, makes it more difficult to win it. Indeed. Final

:13:39. > :13:42.thought? Many people in the Labour Party are worried by the

:13:43. > :13:46.leadership's slight hint of equivocation when it comes to the

:13:47. > :13:49.issue, they suspect that is one of the reason Jeremy Corbyn does not

:13:50. > :13:53.like doing that, getting into positions. I offer Peter Mandelson

:13:54. > :13:57.the opportunity to be critical of Jeremy Corbyn yesterday, was very

:13:58. > :14:00.cautious about it, he said he is the right man, there is a definite sense

:14:01. > :14:04.from the pro-Remain campaign the Labour side that they do not want to

:14:05. > :14:10.get into a fight with the leadership over this. During the referendum.

:14:11. > :14:13.They want to keep the ceasefire on Europe intact. We will have to see

:14:14. > :14:29.what we can do about that(!) Sticking with the issue

:14:30. > :14:32.of the EU referendum, the former Conservative chancellor

:14:33. > :14:34.Norman Lamont has come Earlier this year he took part

:14:35. > :14:39.in a roleplaying exercise as the British minister in charge

:14:40. > :14:42.of negotiations if Britain voted was greater control over our

:14:43. > :14:48.borders. We would seek to introduce

:14:49. > :14:50.legislation to that effect. We would be willing to explore

:14:51. > :14:53.a number of options on that front. If we had our own system,

:14:54. > :14:56.perhaps a points system, we could seek to give a bias

:14:57. > :15:23.towards EU nationals what took you so long to officially

:15:24. > :15:28.come out and say, when clearly you were on that side? I was war-gaming

:15:29. > :15:32.on the assumption that was given to me by the organisers of the session,

:15:33. > :15:40.I have never ever in the past said that we should come out, as long ago

:15:41. > :15:43.as 1994I made a speech saying the time may come when we have to choose

:15:44. > :15:49.between a much more politically integrated Europe and leaving. The

:15:50. > :15:54.way that Europe has gone since then, I think as adequately fulfilled the

:15:55. > :15:59.warnings I gave then, I think Europe is at a fork and we must choose. It

:16:00. > :16:02.is still taking quite a long time. We have at the renegotiated package

:16:03. > :16:09.from the Prime Minister. What was the turmoil in your mind? It is a

:16:10. > :16:13.big decision, altering the policy of this country over 40 years, it means

:16:14. > :16:18.having a disagreement with colleagues within one's own party. I

:16:19. > :16:22.did not want to rush into it, but I thought and thought and came to the

:16:23. > :16:26.view, you say it is not surprising that I can do it but I did. Do you

:16:27. > :16:31.feel like in some ways you are betraying your colleagues, like the

:16:32. > :16:35.primers to? No, this is a big decision, splitting friends and

:16:36. > :16:39.families, so important, one must recognise the right of people to

:16:40. > :16:43.disagree with you. And after all, that is the purpose of a referendum.

:16:44. > :16:49.As you say, it is dividing families, dividing friends, dividing the

:16:50. > :16:52.Conservative Party once again. How difficult is it going to be

:16:53. > :17:00.post-referendum in terms of the unity of the party? I think there is

:17:01. > :17:04.a great awareness of this danger in the Conservative Party and people

:17:05. > :17:09.are very determined that after it is over people should get together and

:17:10. > :17:13.heal the divisions. It is very important that the referendum

:17:14. > :17:16.discussion should be conducted with civility and respect for other

:17:17. > :17:19.people's point of view. You think Iain Duncan Smith was practising

:17:20. > :17:27.that when he described the dossier as dodgy, the government 's dossier.

:17:28. > :17:33.It sets out alternatives, one is entitled to argue about the premise.

:17:34. > :17:38.One is entitled to dispute it. I would seriously disputed as well. Is

:17:39. > :17:46.it dodgy? I think that it is arguable. If you want to keep the

:17:47. > :17:51.civility between the sides, should Iain Duncan Smith the indulging in

:17:52. > :17:57.that kind of language? People will get over it, it is not a great

:17:58. > :18:08.thing. It has been said that there are big risks attached to leaving.

:18:09. > :18:13.Switzerland, Norway, Canada taking seven years, limited access to the

:18:14. > :18:15.single market, going through the World Trade Organisation, resulting

:18:16. > :18:22.in extra tariffs on certain products like food, they are right. I don't

:18:23. > :18:28.think so. The German finance minister has said that were Britain

:18:29. > :18:30.to leave, it would be necessary, necessary, to have a free-trade

:18:31. > :18:40.agreement with Britain. This isn't something Britain has to

:18:41. > :18:43.demand, it's just as important to the other side. Britain is the

:18:44. > :18:46.largest customer the German cars and German manufacturers. They would be

:18:47. > :18:51.desperate to know the terms on which they would be able to sell into the

:18:52. > :18:56.UK and so an agreement is absolutely on both sides' interest. The country

:18:57. > :19:01.you didn't mention was the United States. The United States actually

:19:02. > :19:07.sells into Europe since 2011 more than we do. We compare with Norway,

:19:08. > :19:12.we compare with Switzerland but the United States actually sells more

:19:13. > :19:16.than we do. Nobody is saying, or they shouldn't be saying, that there

:19:17. > :19:20.wouldn't be some sort of deal. The question mark is, how much turmoil

:19:21. > :19:24.there could be while the deal is being made. It's not just the

:19:25. > :19:27.government. You've even got a US fund manager saying that Brexit

:19:28. > :19:31.offers a lot of risk with little obvious reward top equity, sterling

:19:32. > :19:35.and the London property market would all be likely to suffer and we've

:19:36. > :19:41.seen some proof of that recently with sterling. Sterling has been

:19:42. > :19:46.lower than this during the life of this government and nobody commented

:19:47. > :19:49.whatsoever. You trotted out Black Rock. I could run you through a list

:19:50. > :19:55.of companies and fund managers this very morning... Legal and general

:19:56. > :20:02.said it would have no effect on their business. Take Neil Woodford,

:20:03. > :20:05.who is one of the staff and managers of this country, who said it is very

:20:06. > :20:11.difficult to argue it would have any great effect. Take Eleanor Morris E,

:20:12. > :20:14.who runs Newton asset management. There are lots of people who say

:20:15. > :20:19.economically it will make no difference and that is what I

:20:20. > :20:23.believe. But which model would you choose? There's a letter now from

:20:24. > :20:27.Nick Herbert that has just been published, the chairman of the

:20:28. > :20:31.Conservatives. It has been said to Ian Duncan Smith specifically but it

:20:32. > :20:35.says, you have said that if Britain were to be leave the EU we wouldn't

:20:36. > :20:39.copy any other country's deal and have a settlement on our own terms.

:20:40. > :20:42.Do you agree with Iain Duncan Smith that it would be different to what

:20:43. > :20:46.has ever been settled with other countries? Yes, I think it ought to

:20:47. > :20:50.be a special deal for top obviously, one can't say in every detail what

:20:51. > :20:54.it would be like because it is... Even in broad detail. Let me finish.

:20:55. > :21:02.Because it is subject to negotiation. But Jack Delors has

:21:03. > :21:07.gone out of his way to say he recognises that Britain historically

:21:08. > :21:10.is interested in the economic son should have a special arrangement.

:21:11. > :21:15.He said that would not be difficult to arrange. Of course in this period

:21:16. > :21:19.when people are trying to persuade Britain to vote to stay on, people

:21:20. > :21:24.are going to say it is going to be difficult. In reality, it won't be.

:21:25. > :21:29.Is it a fair playing field, a fair fight on both sides? Advocate is

:21:30. > :21:32.reasonably fair. I think the funding arrangements, but that goes back to

:21:33. > :21:37.the Blair government, are very odd and not entirely fair. The civil

:21:38. > :21:40.service papers? Do you feel very strongly that they should be given

:21:41. > :21:44.to ministers on both sides of the argument? I'm not a member of the

:21:45. > :21:50.government. This issue doesn't really concern me. What I understood

:21:51. > :21:58.Jeremy Hayward to say was that civil servants could not provide political

:21:59. > :22:02.lines for those who were in favour of Brexit to pursue and that seems

:22:03. > :22:06.to be entirely reasonable. But some of the exit terms that were outlined

:22:07. > :22:10.to don't seem to be that different to what our relationship would be

:22:11. > :22:14.like if we were to remain. You have implied that we would accept the

:22:15. > :22:17.existing body of EU law and regulation analysis of the fine

:22:18. > :22:22.matters and ensure a deal could be completed in the next decade.

:22:23. > :22:27.Preferential access for EU citizens under whatever deal is reached. And

:22:28. > :22:31.that Britain should chip in to the EU budget other gesture of goodwill.

:22:32. > :22:38.What's different? Economically, I think things would be very similar

:22:39. > :22:44.but the issue is, you can say why, then, exit? We would be free of this

:22:45. > :22:49.juggernaut of integration. Whatever barriers Britain direct the European

:22:50. > :22:53.Court of Justice, the European Parliament find ways around. They

:22:54. > :22:57.are masters at bending the rules. Take the bailout of Ireland which

:22:58. > :23:00.was plainly illegal, plainly illegal. Christine Lagarde admitted

:23:01. > :23:06.such but they just did it nonetheless. Thank you.

:23:07. > :23:12.Should Apple help the FBI to unlocking iPhone used by one of the

:23:13. > :23:16.gunmen responsible for the San Bernardino shootings? The FBI thinks

:23:17. > :23:20.so and argued in a congressional hearing yesterday that Apple's

:23:21. > :23:23.encryption was a vicious guard dog that hurts national security. A

:23:24. > :23:27.short jump back across the pond, the UK Government food web published a

:23:28. > :23:27.revised version of its much criticised investigatory Powers

:23:28. > :23:37.bill. In our Soapbox this week,

:23:38. > :23:39.Hugo Rifkind asks whether politicians are right to be circling

:23:40. > :23:42.on Apple and other tech companies, before reflecting on whether all

:23:43. > :23:44.of the fights they've picked surrounding internet security

:23:45. > :23:47.and freedom are the right ones. The San Bernardino shooting

:23:48. > :23:49.in December last year left 14 dead. Who wouldn't want to

:23:50. > :23:51.help the police get to the bottom of it,

:23:52. > :23:53.whatever it takes? Well, Apple wouldn't,

:23:54. > :23:55.or so the accusation goes, and seemingly all because of one

:23:56. > :23:59.of these - a phone with a pass lock and some pretty

:24:00. > :24:03.sophisticated encryption. The company has been

:24:04. > :24:04.accused of placing commercial interests

:24:05. > :24:07.over national security. What "commercial interests" means

:24:08. > :24:11.for Apple is people still wanting So, is it any surprise

:24:12. > :24:17.that Apple wants to We're often told that people

:24:18. > :24:22.who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear but who doesn't

:24:23. > :24:25.have something to hide? Music lovers who illegally

:24:26. > :24:29.download a few songs, box set lovers who Torrent,

:24:30. > :24:32.and then there's internet porn But if you did, would you really

:24:33. > :24:40.want a record kept? Think of that information

:24:41. > :24:42.being hacked or flung Freedom flows on the internet like a

:24:43. > :24:48.river. Nothing spurs innovation

:24:49. > :24:50.like being told you can't do something but these

:24:51. > :24:53.innovations weren't devised Often they were popularised

:24:54. > :24:57.to shield more minor crimes, such as buying drugs,

:24:58. > :25:03.or for simple privacy. But the lesson here is

:25:04. > :25:05.that the dogged online onanist is not a man you'd want

:25:06. > :25:08.in your enemy's corner, The battles we were always bound

:25:09. > :25:14.to lose against digital piracy, pornography and soft drugs have

:25:15. > :25:17.bequeathed us a world in which the battles that really

:25:18. > :25:20.matter, against terrorism and organised crime, are much,

:25:21. > :25:38.much harder to fight. Hugo Rifkind is with us now, having

:25:39. > :25:42.played his chance at being Doctor Who. Should Apple help or turn its

:25:43. > :25:46.back on the law in this case? It's not quite that simple. It's easy to

:25:47. > :25:51.say Apple should help in one case if they possibly can. A pretty

:25:52. > :25:54.important case. It's cleverly possible the FBI can get into this

:25:55. > :25:58.phone by themselves if they wanted to and this is a test case to

:25:59. > :26:01.establish a precedent. The point is that if you place an onus on tech

:26:02. > :26:05.companies to break encryption like this, what they're going to do, what

:26:06. > :26:08.Apple is doing, is try to develop products where they can't break the

:26:09. > :26:14.cushion because that removes the responsible as you from them --

:26:15. > :26:24.removes the responsibility from them. In the battle against terror,

:26:25. > :26:28.people will say this is a special case. This is not the same as

:26:29. > :26:32.perhaps other crimes that could be seen as less challenging to national

:26:33. > :26:36.security and that surely Loren for is that agencies have to be able to

:26:37. > :26:41.do their job to gather evidence? -- law enforcement agencies. You could

:26:42. > :26:45.argue that. Firstly if you damaging corruption like this, it isn't just

:26:46. > :26:48.security services that benefit, criminals benefit. If security and

:26:49. > :26:52.terrorism special case then we need to be very careful with things like

:26:53. > :26:55.our own investigatory Powers bill which vastly boosts the powers that

:26:56. > :27:01.the police have. Other law-enforcement agencies have

:27:02. > :27:09.private data. This essentially gives terrorists allies. Matthew Hancock,

:27:10. > :27:13.should Apple be cooperating? Well, in the UK, we're proposing, as Hugo

:27:14. > :27:17.said, a new set of laws with a balance. Of course you've got to the

:27:18. > :27:23.tech National Security Council pits the first duty of the state. But the

:27:24. > :27:27.way we're proposing to get through this in the UK context is to make

:27:28. > :27:34.sure that there are safeguards so that the warrant requires a judge to

:27:35. > :27:38.sign off in order to show... Both to make sure in the specifics that it

:27:39. > :27:42.is in the national interest but also to demonstrate... David Davis says

:27:43. > :27:47.the judge will just be signing of what the Home Secretary said. That's

:27:48. > :27:53.how judges act. -- not how judges at. How would companies like Apple

:27:54. > :27:59.be forced to remove the encryption on their messaging software? The

:28:00. > :28:05.proposal in the bill is that with the check by the judiciary and

:28:06. > :28:09.therefore this being independent and decided on, whether it is in the

:28:10. > :28:12.national interest, you have that check there and that would be

:28:13. > :28:15.required by law. Hugo Rifkind, thank you.

:28:16. > :28:18.There's just time to put you out of your misery and give

:28:19. > :28:38.Hit the big red button. Let's see what happens.

:28:39. > :28:40.You fulfil your role very expertly. -- fulfilled.

:28:41. > :28:44.The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.

:28:45. > :28:48.Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow with all the big political

:28:49. > :28:53.No doubt the European referendum will be rumbling on and the official

:28:54. > :28:57.campaign hasn't even started yet! And we've got another four months or

:28:58. > :28:59.so of it. Can't get enough.