:00:35. > :00:41.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:42. > :00:43.Theresa May's plans for greater surveillance powers are back
:00:44. > :00:48.Labour say want substantial changes to the Bill.
:00:49. > :00:53.The shadow home secretary Andy Burnham joins us live.
:00:54. > :00:55.There are just 100 days until polling day in the EU
:00:56. > :01:00.Referendum and today sees the Confederation
:01:01. > :01:03.Of British Industry throw its weight behind the campaign to remain.
:01:04. > :01:08.We'll hear from the CBI's head honcho, Carolyn Fairbairn.
:01:09. > :01:10.The Green Party have also launched their own campaign to keep
:01:11. > :01:13.Britain in the EU, saying they're 'loud and proud' about their support
:01:14. > :01:23.And if you thought delivering the Chancellor's Budget speech
:01:24. > :01:26.was tricky enough, spare a thought for the leader of the opposition -
:01:27. > :01:35.We'll discuss how to prep for the big day.
:01:36. > :01:38.All that in the next hour and with us for the whole
:01:39. > :01:39.of the programme today, Ukip's immigration and financial
:01:40. > :01:48.Ahead of tomorrow's budget, George Osborne has been busy this
:01:49. > :01:50.morning, bigging up government investment in new infrastructure
:01:51. > :01:54.Here's the Chancellor speaking in central lobby -
:01:55. > :02:03.suited up in the obligatory high-vis jacket.
:02:04. > :02:05.Five years ago as part of our long-term economic plan
:02:06. > :02:08.we gave the go-ahead to Crossrail and here it is nearing completion.
:02:09. > :02:12.In the Budget tomorrow, I'm giving the green light
:02:13. > :02:14.to Crossrail 2 in London and the new High-speed 3 link
:02:15. > :02:17.across the North of England and in the Budget we will not go
:02:18. > :02:21.for short-term fixes in this uncertain world,
:02:22. > :02:24.we're going to have long-term solutions to Britain's long-term
:02:25. > :02:26.problems and the Budget is going to make sure Britain is fit
:02:27. > :02:39.That was Central London he was speaking in, not the central lobby!
:02:40. > :02:44.Confused. He has a wardrobe of high visibility jackets, are you excited
:02:45. > :02:48.by the announcements? I am intrigued and I will be open-minded about it
:02:49. > :02:53.because I come from the North West of England, born in Manchester, and
:02:54. > :02:57.some ideas about opening up railways from Manchester to Sheffield and
:02:58. > :03:01.Leeds, for me, somebody who loves the countryside, believing there is
:03:02. > :03:07.an opportunity to build tunnels underneath the beautiful landscape,
:03:08. > :03:13.that can be an option. What I want to look at is the greater detail of
:03:14. > :03:18.cost. You are against HS2? Yes, it is a folly which has been proved in
:03:19. > :03:27.many ways to be over expensive. But it will open up, to the government,
:03:28. > :03:33.vast areas of the countryside. It will do a number of things, it will
:03:34. > :03:37.ensure only the wealthiest can use it because it is expensive. It is
:03:38. > :03:41.displaced if, it will move people from London to buy houses in the
:03:42. > :03:45.north of England so they can commute to work which will have increased
:03:46. > :03:47.pressure on housing in northern England and there are relevant
:03:48. > :03:52.studies which show you will not get the economic and if it is they
:03:53. > :04:01.suggest you do. You look at the equivalence between Lil and Paris
:04:02. > :04:06.and we saw big changes on that. -- Lille. Do you think it does help the
:04:07. > :04:11.economy despite Nigel Farage saying it is a waste of money and will only
:04:12. > :04:14.benefit a small number of people? HS2 has to be taken out of the
:04:15. > :04:19.equation and we have looked at expanding or improving their weight
:04:20. > :04:27.structures in England. Are you in favour of Crossrail to? We may have
:04:28. > :04:29.to consider the argument on that. -- two. I have not seen the
:04:30. > :04:34.implications two. I have not seen the
:04:35. > :04:39.rail. I want to look at a roadway system which is creaking at the
:04:40. > :04:43.seams and has not had a great deal of investment, particularly in the
:04:44. > :04:47.North, where you can look at the immediate problem with trains going
:04:48. > :04:51.to Sheffield and Leeds, why are we not looking at expanding the
:04:52. > :04:58.railway, the trains themselves, the platforms? These can be done
:04:59. > :04:59.immediately. I want to look at the immediate impact on costs and review
:05:00. > :05:03.the whole idea in the future. The question for today is -
:05:04. > :05:07.which TV couple have been discussing their trip to Chequers
:05:08. > :05:10.for a dinner with Tony Blair, over which they discussed
:05:11. > :05:12.the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction
:05:13. > :05:15.with the then prime minister? Was it a) Adrian Chiles
:05:16. > :05:17.and Christine Bleakley? Theresa May's plan to grant powers
:05:18. > :05:32.to the state to collect the web-browsing histories
:05:33. > :05:33.and internet connection records of individuals is back
:05:34. > :05:37.in the Commons today. The Investigatory Powers Bill
:05:38. > :05:44.is the latest attempt to give the secret services legal backing
:05:45. > :05:47.for internet surveillance of anyone suspected of criminal
:05:48. > :05:49.or terrorist activity. The issue led to a bust-up
:05:50. > :05:51.in the coalition government, with Nick Clegg blocking
:05:52. > :05:56.the so-called 'Snoopers' Charter'. Theresa May introduced the bill
:05:57. > :06:02.to update legislation for police and security services "to keep pace
:06:03. > :06:05.with the modern world" - addressing gaps that degrade
:06:06. > :06:07.the government's ability to combat Among the provisions of the Bill
:06:08. > :06:16.is the collection and storage by communications companies of 12
:06:17. > :06:19.months of everyone's web browsing history, known as internet
:06:20. > :06:23.connection records. A statutory framework for the police
:06:24. > :06:26.to apply to hack someone's smartphone or computer -
:06:27. > :06:32.a so-called equipment interference. And the creation of
:06:33. > :06:38.an Investigatory Powers Commission. A senior judge who will oversee
:06:39. > :06:41.the use of all investigatory powers supported by a number
:06:42. > :06:43.of Judicial Commissioners. Labour say they will put aside party
:06:44. > :06:45.politics to work "constructively" with the government
:06:46. > :06:48.if the Home Secretary allows lengthy But the SNP and the Liberal
:06:49. > :07:05.Democrats will oppose it, Joining me now from central lobby in
:07:06. > :07:09.the Palace of Westminster is the Shadow Home Secretary, Andy Burnham.
:07:10. > :07:13.Welcome. The Labour Party are going to add Stein today, isn't that
:07:14. > :07:21.handing the government a blank cheque? No, it is not. This Bill is
:07:22. > :07:24.needed because we have a law which is going to expire later this year
:07:25. > :07:30.so these are not normal circumstances. The country needs a
:07:31. > :07:34.new law in this area that gives powers to the police but also create
:07:35. > :07:41.strong safeguards for the public. That is my challenge to the Lib Dems
:07:42. > :07:47.and SNP because if they let the current law for, what will they put
:07:48. > :07:51.in its place? Otherwise they leave people at risk of more loss of
:07:52. > :07:55.privacy. We are going to work constructively but what I will do is
:07:56. > :08:00.set out very clear concerns and I will say to Theresa May that if she
:08:01. > :08:03.does not listen to them, we will withdraw support from the timetable
:08:04. > :08:08.of this ill because we are not prepared to have a substandard Bill
:08:09. > :08:14.on the statute book. How will you do this? You have been called gutless
:08:15. > :08:18.by the Lib Dems who are opposing it and you say that you will withdraw
:08:19. > :08:23.support further down the line but is that going to do anything to
:08:24. > :08:29.persuade Theresa May to change her mind? Yes, as I said before this
:08:30. > :08:33.Bill is on a tight timetable so the government needs our support.
:08:34. > :08:38.Interesting words from the Liberal Democrats but from my point of view,
:08:39. > :08:41.it is irresponsible to say, we are going to go into outright opposition
:08:42. > :08:45.because I don't think that is right or in the interests of the country.
:08:46. > :08:51.The police and security services need the powers to do the job.
:08:52. > :08:53.However, a big however, I will set tough test for the government.
:08:54. > :08:59.Internet connection records, I believe at the moment that they are
:09:00. > :09:06.far too widely drawn. I believe they should be very strictly limited to
:09:07. > :09:15.the domains visited on the Internet, not Urls. It needs to be a much
:09:16. > :09:19.tighter set of information. Secondly, the current Dell says that
:09:20. > :09:24.the police should access them in respect of any crime, the prevention
:09:25. > :09:30.and detection of any crime. I don't think that is acceptable. It is not
:09:31. > :09:37.acceptable for police to look at someone's connection record in
:09:38. > :09:43.respect of motoring crimes. Only in respect of more serious crimes. What
:09:44. > :09:47.will they be? It is very easy to agree with it in principle. You
:09:48. > :09:50.think the government has drawn the net to white in terms of the number
:09:51. > :10:02.of public bodies which can use the new Lords. -- laws. Where would the
:10:03. > :10:05.boundaries be? I don't see why the Food Standards Agency or gambling
:10:06. > :10:10.commission would have access to the connection records and I will warn
:10:11. > :10:14.the Home Secretary that she should reduce that list before they have
:10:15. > :10:17.our support. I want the definition and scope of Internet connection
:10:18. > :10:23.records much reduced and I also want a higher threshold for their use. I
:10:24. > :10:29.also want a presumption of privacy at the very start of this ilk. It
:10:30. > :10:33.needs to be clear that if you are to depart from that and intrude on
:10:34. > :10:39.someone's privacy, you must have very strong reasons for doing so. --
:10:40. > :10:43.Bill. The current law says that it should be on the grounds of national
:10:44. > :10:47.security at present. In the past we have seen the label to cover a
:10:48. > :10:52.multitude of sins. I have worked with trade unionist who have been
:10:53. > :10:58.investigated by the police for nothing more than going about their
:10:59. > :11:03.lawful right to strike so we need to have clarity in the legislation that
:11:04. > :11:07.the law cannot be used in that way. -- unionists. Ordinary people cannot
:11:08. > :11:12.have their powers taken away from them. People will remember Doreen
:11:13. > :11:15.Lawrence, whose family were surveilled after the loss of her son
:11:16. > :11:19.and that is fundamentally unacceptable. The Bill must
:11:20. > :11:26.completely rule out any possibility of the misuse of these powers. Why
:11:27. > :11:30.do you not just oppose the Bill? That is a massive shopping list of
:11:31. > :11:34.changes you want to stop surely your leverage in negotiating would have
:11:35. > :11:39.been heightened if you had said we are not going to support the Bill
:11:40. > :11:44.unless you make changes? Outright opposition just drags the whole
:11:45. > :11:47.thing right down. As I said, the country needs a Bill on the statute
:11:48. > :11:53.book by the end of the year because the interim legislation is about to
:11:54. > :11:58.expire. It would be irresponsible in my view to let the legislation fall
:11:59. > :12:02.without anything in its place. I have spoken to people in the police
:12:03. > :12:05.force who say the world is going dark on them, they cannot see
:12:06. > :12:13.communications in the way they used to to. Conversations are in online
:12:14. > :12:17.forums rather than traditional telephones and they are losing the
:12:18. > :12:24.ability to disrupt terrorist. That is not acceptable and I think the
:12:25. > :12:28.SNP and Liberal Democrats are wrong to turn away from these issues. We
:12:29. > :12:34.are trying to find a reasonable way through. My prices play, there is no
:12:35. > :12:37.blank cheque. On the six areas outlined in the Commons, I want to
:12:38. > :12:40.see significant movement from the government on all of them and we do
:12:41. > :12:46.not see it, I will withdraw support from the timetable on this Bill. The
:12:47. > :12:53.Labour Party have suspended for a second time a member posted
:12:54. > :12:56.anti-Semitic tweet. A spokesperson has said Vicki Kirby has been
:12:57. > :13:02.suspended from the Labour Party pending investigation. Is the Labour
:13:03. > :13:08.Party dealing with these sorts of incidents quickly enough? Well, we
:13:09. > :13:11.have today and I am glad to hear that because from what I have seen,
:13:12. > :13:18.the comments were completely abhorrent. Labour has always led
:13:19. > :13:22.from the forefront in tackling anti-Semitism, and I am glad to hear
:13:23. > :13:27.that this action has been taken today, and to be honest, for a party
:13:28. > :13:34.that believes in true equality and has always fought racism and
:13:35. > :13:37.xenophobia of all kinds, we have to maintain full public confidence in
:13:38. > :13:45.our procedures and I want there to be no question at all that our party
:13:46. > :13:52.has no tolerance at all of any form of anti-Semitism, is phobia or any
:13:53. > :13:57.other kind of racism. What is your position on the Investigatory Powers
:13:58. > :14:03.Bill? I am deeply concerned by it because if you listen to Big Brother
:14:04. > :14:12.What you have analysed this, they say the danger is that this could go
:14:13. > :14:23.into the extreme of any democratic country. -- Big Brother Watch. The
:14:24. > :14:27.average unity to catch -- the opportunity to catch criminals
:14:28. > :14:31.causes a great deal of concern. 95% of people are not involved in any
:14:32. > :14:35.criminality and yet all of them are going to be brought within this. As
:14:36. > :14:38.Andrew has said, he does not seem to be putting a very strong case
:14:39. > :14:42.towards the government by, as you pointed out, just abstaining on
:14:43. > :14:50.this. Would it be irresponsible to let the whole Bill fall and take the
:14:51. > :14:53.legislation with it? This goes to the argument of opposition. You
:14:54. > :14:56.stand on a principle that you want to stand on and say you want to
:14:57. > :15:01.protect the interest of people, and therefore withdrawing the timetable
:15:02. > :15:06.is the way forward. I think he should be joining in terms of the
:15:07. > :15:09.Lib Dems. And opposing the government? To ensure that the
:15:10. > :15:15.combined elements of strength brings in the changes he wants. That is
:15:16. > :15:25.typical that we have seen the Labour Party of late, they want their cake
:15:26. > :15:29.and eating it. Which specific bets would you like to see changed
:15:30. > :15:35.dramatically? You say that the net would be too wide and trying to many
:15:36. > :15:40.bits of private data, what about leaving the country without any sort
:15:41. > :15:43.of surveillance powers? He is suggesting they would not have any
:15:44. > :15:50.position to be able to protect people, but we've got a vast web of
:15:51. > :15:57.legislation that the police can use. What I would look at, for example,
:15:58. > :16:01.when considering individuals using the web, why can councils and other
:16:02. > :16:07.organisations have the same access? We had similar problems with local
:16:08. > :16:10.council getting expanded powers, that has caused huge problems with
:16:11. > :16:15.ordinary members of the public. We are joined by Victoria Atkins, who
:16:16. > :16:21.has been sitting on the joint Parliamentary committee scrutinising
:16:22. > :16:28.the plans. Why do you think so many people are opposed to this Bill?
:16:29. > :16:35.Many people are not opposed to this Bill. Most people recognise the need
:16:36. > :16:38.to have an act that looks after national security, gives the police
:16:39. > :16:43.and security services the powers they need but protects civil
:16:44. > :16:50.liberties. People clearly feel it does not make that balance. Both our
:16:51. > :16:54.guest said it is an acceptably intrusive. You will be able to sweep
:16:55. > :17:02.records of every individual and hold them for a year. Andy, on the 4th of
:17:03. > :17:06.November, when the draft Bill was introduced, praised the Home
:17:07. > :17:15.Secretary for getting the balance broadly right having listened to
:17:16. > :17:26.legitimate concerns. But this Bill is absolutely critical. We cannot be
:17:27. > :17:30.under any illusions. The criminal world is using the Internet, just as
:17:31. > :17:35.we do. We need to make sure the police and security services have
:17:36. > :17:41.the powers they need. What is there to make sure the powers are not
:17:42. > :17:48.exploited? There have been cases when councils have used the powers
:17:49. > :17:51.to spy on people. There was a great deal of upset about that and the
:17:52. > :17:59.powers of the council were restricted. But in this bill we
:18:00. > :18:04.have, for the first time, all of the powers connected together in one
:18:05. > :18:12.place and we've got a real world leading oversight. Why is it world
:18:13. > :18:15.reading? The senior judge will be appointed by the Prime Minister and
:18:16. > :18:22.only set for three years. That does not show great independence. We had
:18:23. > :18:27.form the Lord -- we heard from the former Lord Chief Justice, that
:18:28. > :18:32.shows the robust independence of the judiciary. We have real oversight
:18:33. > :18:37.with judicial commissioners who will be working with secretaries of
:18:38. > :18:41.state. They will be reviewing the oversight provisions as a whole. The
:18:42. > :18:47.investigatory Powers Tribunal will be very much overseeing the work of
:18:48. > :18:54.the security services and the police. But how is bulk interception
:18:55. > :19:03.and hacking going to help fight terrorism? We got briefings from
:19:04. > :19:07.GCHQ and others who use these powers. The difficulty of these
:19:08. > :19:10.powers is by definition there is a limit to what the security services
:19:11. > :19:13.can say about the use of these powers because if they tell us
:19:14. > :19:19.everything then the criminals will change their methods accordingly.
:19:20. > :19:25.But what they have done is produce an explanatory note, try to give
:19:26. > :19:32.Case studies of how these powers work, and I'm in no doubt, having
:19:33. > :19:38.seen some of this evidence myself, that these powers are necessary,
:19:39. > :19:42.just and proportionate. Those are the themes that run throughout this
:19:43. > :19:47.Bill, I know that Andy was talking earlier about council officials
:19:48. > :19:55.being able to access data. Any accessing the data will need to fit
:19:56. > :19:59.with the law, which will be that it is necessary, just and
:20:00. > :20:04.proportionate. That sort of wording is very vague and it does lack
:20:05. > :20:08.clarity on when, where and in what circumstances these powers can be
:20:09. > :20:18.used. You can see there is plenty of room for abuse. I don't accept that,
:20:19. > :20:23.if we look at communications data, in the past it has been accessing
:20:24. > :20:29.mobile phone records to see who called when and why. That data is
:20:30. > :20:36.absolutely critical in 95% of organised crime cases. It is used in
:20:37. > :20:44.100% of counterterrorism cases. We have to be realistic. The criminal
:20:45. > :20:52.world has moved on into the digital age. We did ask a Home Office
:20:53. > :20:55.minister to come onto the programme but none was available. There are 90
:20:56. > :21:01.days until the EU referendum. This morning the former shadow
:21:02. > :21:03.business secretary, Labour's Chuka Umunna,
:21:04. > :21:05.phoned-in to Boris Johnson's radio show on LBC, to take him to task
:21:06. > :21:07.about his motivations I look at those who are campaigning
:21:08. > :21:13.for us to come out, look at Michael Gove, I disagree
:21:14. > :21:15.with Michael on a huge amount, but he is
:21:16. > :21:17.a man of conviction. You brought a circus to your house
:21:18. > :21:25.to make the announcement... Instead of campaigning with Michael,
:21:26. > :21:31.Iain Duncan Smith and others and what you need to understand,
:21:32. > :21:33.this isn't about you, This is about the prospects
:21:34. > :21:42.of the British people and their democracy and I have
:21:43. > :21:47.to say that it is very sad that we are being invited
:21:48. > :21:51.to continue to remain in a system that I think is less
:21:52. > :21:54.and less democratic. We have a huge opportunity now
:21:55. > :22:00.to strike out for freedom and all you hear from the remaining
:22:01. > :22:03.campaign is gloom and negativity This morning the body
:22:04. > :22:08.which represents thousands of British businesses -the CBI -
:22:09. > :22:11.threw its weight behind And the CBI's director general,
:22:12. > :22:26.Carolyn Fairbairn, joins me now. You gave an interview where you back
:22:27. > :22:31.to Britain remaining in a reformed EU but today we find out you won't
:22:32. > :22:36.be officially aligning so will not be able to campaign. Why the change
:22:37. > :22:41.of heart? We have a very clear mandate from our members. We've been
:22:42. > :22:47.consulting and serving and we know that our members employ 7 million
:22:48. > :22:53.people across the UK. They've given us a resounding voice that 80%
:22:54. > :23:01.support remaining in the EU. However, we don't think economics is
:23:02. > :23:04.the only issue, we think there are broader issues and we are going to
:23:05. > :23:11.be making the economic case on their behalf. 80% of your members have
:23:12. > :23:15.backed staying in. Would it be seen as fence sitting if you don't
:23:16. > :23:19.officially align yourself to campaign? I really don't think so.
:23:20. > :23:24.We are not a political organisation and we never have been but we are
:23:25. > :23:29.very strong in the voice we have for prosperity, growth, employment, and
:23:30. > :23:35.the general health of the economy. That is the voice we want to have.
:23:36. > :23:38.It will be about informing the debate so people understand the
:23:39. > :23:44.implication for jobs and growth and the future of the economy. But you
:23:45. > :23:48.won't be allowed to spend more than ?10,000 during the six weeks, you
:23:49. > :23:54.will be limited in outlining the arguments you want to present. If
:23:55. > :23:58.it's so important, why are you sitting on your hands? Between now
:23:59. > :24:05.and April the we can do whatever we like, and we will be making the case
:24:06. > :24:12.strongly. -- April 15. And not after that? It is worth thinking about
:24:13. > :24:16.what we do, we speak out, talk on platforms, we write. We can continue
:24:17. > :24:20.to do those things. We've been in discussion with the Electoral
:24:21. > :24:23.Commission about how we can do that. The important thing is we have a
:24:24. > :24:29.resounding voice from our members in terms of staying in the European
:24:30. > :24:32.Union. Were you scarred by your experience in the Scottish
:24:33. > :24:40.independence referendum? This is about making a case that is the case
:24:41. > :24:44.that our members would like to make around prosperity and growth, not
:24:45. > :24:49.about making a political statement. The position we had is an extremely
:24:50. > :24:56.clear and simple one. Are you breathing a sigh of relief that a
:24:57. > :25:02.powerful organisation are not going to align themselves? Not
:25:03. > :25:06.necessarily, when I was a junior barrister we had to prepare cases on
:25:07. > :25:09.expert witnesses and when you had an expert witness you needed to have an
:25:10. > :25:17.expert that was generally right on the issues. When you look at the
:25:18. > :25:21.CBI, they were wrong on the Euro, and 100 years ago they were wrong on
:25:22. > :25:25.the gold standard. If I was presenting them as a case before a
:25:26. > :25:28.judge they would throughout the fact that on almost every major political
:25:29. > :25:33.issue which they've espoused the view, they've been wrong. One other
:25:34. > :25:37.point. They would be asked whether they have a conflict-of-interest in
:25:38. > :25:41.this case. It is right and I'm sure that Carolyn would say it, they have
:25:42. > :25:44.received over ?800,000 from the European Union, whether through
:25:45. > :25:49.research or other ways, that would be regarded as a conflict of
:25:50. > :25:59.interest. I think the British public will say, they were wrong before and
:26:00. > :26:04.will be wrong now. On the issue of conflicts of interests, there are
:26:05. > :26:08.absolutely none. We provide a commercial service to a small part
:26:09. > :26:16.of the European Union, less than 0.5% of our revenue. It is a
:26:17. > :26:22.ludicrous claim. In terms of the position, the euro was a very
:26:23. > :26:28.different question. What we are facing is an issue, we have enjoyed
:26:29. > :26:34.a period of real prosperity as part of the European Union and what many
:26:35. > :26:38.businesses up and down the land are saying is they can prosper within
:26:39. > :26:42.the European Union. They want to reform it further but they can
:26:43. > :26:45.prosper. The prospect of uncertainty that will come from triggering
:26:46. > :26:51.Article 50 and not knowing the alternative... You say this is a
:26:52. > :26:58.different case but the arguments you are using are identical. You're
:26:59. > :27:01.using the fear mongering. You say that Britain will fall into a mire
:27:02. > :27:06.and never be successful in the future. You say that business will
:27:07. > :27:11.not be able to trade with the EU that we will have no access to these
:27:12. > :27:19.markets. First of all, the free trade element which only Belarus and
:27:20. > :27:24.Russia are not part of. Will we be excluded from Turkey and Iceland?
:27:25. > :27:31.Then you have a single regulatory regime, which we have very little
:27:32. > :27:37.influence over. Those arguments are identical, they have been
:27:38. > :27:41.replicated. I don't accept that. What the European Union gives at the
:27:42. > :27:46.moment is a guarantee of tariff free access to 500 million consumers. The
:27:47. > :27:53.moment article 50 is triggered, that guarantee is lost. We cannot go
:27:54. > :27:57.back. For two years, we are OK. When you say the CBI have been wrong,
:27:58. > :28:06.what about the figures looking at the views of business? People always
:28:07. > :28:12.say small businesses support leaving but the figures are quite damning.
:28:13. > :28:17.Just 6% of firms in the CBI think leaving the EU would be in the best
:28:18. > :28:24.interest of the economy. Why do so few businesses back this? I've seen
:28:25. > :28:29.quite a few that support leaving the European Union but looking at the
:28:30. > :28:32.analysis is quite interesting. Over 95% of the businesses in the UK are
:28:33. > :28:40.less than 50 people but if you look at 73% of this poll, they consist of
:28:41. > :28:46.businesses over 250 people, which is 0.1%. Why do they not back the exit?
:28:47. > :28:50.It comes down to the arguments they hear from government affairs
:28:51. > :28:53.officials, lobbyists, who keep telling them, as I kept hearing,
:28:54. > :28:58.that these companies will not be able to trade, we would have tariffs
:28:59. > :29:04.imposed upon us, when none of this is the case. I saw it before as a
:29:05. > :29:12.lawyer advising companies. I was often in conflict to those lobbyists
:29:13. > :29:17.who have financial interest. They deal with the regulations that
:29:18. > :29:26.compounded the cost. Does your poll fairly reflect the businesses in the
:29:27. > :29:34.UK? Absolutely. What you will see, not one single business survey of
:29:35. > :29:38.any size of business, even the FSB survey, has a majority in favour of
:29:39. > :29:47.leaving. You've never explained how you have any influence. Are you
:29:48. > :29:52.saying small businesses under 50 people, of which there are hundreds
:29:53. > :29:56.of thousands, are overwhelmingly in favour of staying in the EU? Yellow
:29:57. > :30:03.might not one survey has shown a majority. There are many businesses
:30:04. > :30:07.that are global and immediately want to trade and have access to the
:30:08. > :30:12.single market. We are talking about a small business environment where
:30:13. > :30:19.many of them value that tariff. When I was a private equity lawyer,
:30:20. > :30:23.someone wanted to invest in housing in Poland and it did not stop them.
:30:24. > :30:28.Trade was still going on even though they were not in a common market.
:30:29. > :30:32.When I was looking at small Internet businesses, exactly the same. Trade
:30:33. > :30:37.continues irrespective of the countries. You are concerned about
:30:38. > :30:39.whether there would be tariff, which I argue there would be none, and the
:30:40. > :30:42.regulations. Now, the campaign over
:30:43. > :30:44.whether the UK should stay in or quit the European Union
:30:45. > :30:46.is already a pretty crowded, and occasionally complicated field,
:30:47. > :30:49.with numerous groups forming ahead of the referendum on
:30:50. > :30:56.Britain's EU membership. out its campaign to keep
:30:57. > :30:58.Britain in the EU. Here's what party leader
:30:59. > :31:00.Natalie Bennett had to say I think probably many people in this
:31:01. > :31:06.room have been at and will be I think this one will sound and look
:31:07. > :31:12.a lot different to a lot I am proud to be on an
:31:13. > :31:17.all-women panel talking I am proud to be on a panel
:31:18. > :31:21.where we talk positively The fact is that what the EU
:31:22. > :31:25.is about is what the Green Party Internationalism, thinking
:31:26. > :31:29.for the long-term, collaborating rather than focusing
:31:30. > :31:30.on competition, working together And we've been joined
:31:31. > :31:52.by the Green MP Caroline Lucas. What is the case for staying in the
:31:53. > :31:55.EU? It is essentially that we believe we have a better chance of
:31:56. > :32:00.tackling the major challenges we face day, whether it be climate
:32:01. > :32:05.change, the refugee crisis or terrorism, by working with others
:32:06. > :32:08.rather than walking away from that, and what the Green Party can bring
:32:09. > :32:16.to this debate is a different tone and issues. You heard just now that
:32:17. > :32:19.the debate is dominated by jobs and the economy, and that is incredibly
:32:20. > :32:23.important and important it gets out there but there are other ways of
:32:24. > :32:28.mobilising people, reaching out to young people in particular, you may
:32:29. > :32:31.not be particularly exercised by those issues but are worried about
:32:32. > :32:35.the environment and social rights and I think the Green Party can run
:32:36. > :32:40.a strong campaign, Bloom entry to the main campaign but reaching out
:32:41. > :32:50.to different kinds of people. -- but, elementary. Last year, Jenny
:32:51. > :32:56.Jones wrote that Green support for the EU should end and the EU stands
:32:57. > :33:02.for corporate empowerment and the trampling of Greek democracy, is she
:33:03. > :33:07.wrong? I do think she is wrong. Do you support the transplanted
:33:08. > :33:10.investment partnership? No, I do not, I oppose it but you have to
:33:11. > :33:15.make a distinction between the right wing governments that inhabit most
:33:16. > :33:21.of the seats around the council table and the European institutions.
:33:22. > :33:25.One of the biggest cheerleaders for TTIP is David Cameron. Anybody who
:33:26. > :33:28.thinks that by withdrawing from the EU, we will have a cuddly trade
:33:29. > :33:34.policy, they live in fantasyland and David Cameron will put the same
:33:35. > :33:38.principles of TTIP into bilateral trade agreements. The best way of
:33:39. > :33:42.fighting TTIP is to work with our colleagues in Germany, 255 thousand
:33:43. > :33:45.who were in Berlin recently mobilising against TTIP, it is by
:33:46. > :33:51.lobbying against members of Parliament to have the power to stop
:33:52. > :34:00.TTIP, and the people who signed a petition across Europe to stop TTIP.
:34:01. > :34:04.We should recognise that by putting right wing policies into Europe, you
:34:05. > :34:07.get right wing policies out. You need to make a distinction between
:34:08. > :34:12.the right-wing governments around the table and the importance of
:34:13. > :34:17.working at the EU level. You are supporting staying in the EU because
:34:18. > :34:23.you don't like the policies of David Cameron. I did not say that. That is
:34:24. > :34:27.the logic of your argument. If Jenny Jones is indulging in fantasy
:34:28. > :34:30.politics, issue not right about the contradiction between Green
:34:31. > :34:35.opposition to TTIP and yet its continued support for the EU? You
:34:36. > :34:39.won't be able to counter what is going on in the EU by staying in
:34:40. > :34:44.stock I object to all sorts of thing that the government is doing but I'm
:34:45. > :34:51.not saying we should turn our back on democracy. I am a democratic. I
:34:52. > :34:55.will fight that. The question about the referendum is, do we think we
:34:56. > :35:00.will be safer, greener, safer, longer if we stay in the EU or come
:35:01. > :35:03.away and all the evidence suggests we have a better chance of a better
:35:04. > :35:08.outcome for our kids and their kids if we stay in the EU rather than one
:35:09. > :35:14.thing we can fight the battles by being on R.N.. The party's policies
:35:15. > :35:18.are against so many things in the EU. They are not happy with the
:35:19. > :35:25.single market. You sort of thing, what is there left to support but
:35:26. > :35:30.Mark... By being in the EU. It is beyond conception that we would be
:35:31. > :35:34.better off dealing with issues like climate change is a single country.
:35:35. > :35:38.The reason the outcome of the Paris climate talks was better than many
:35:39. > :35:42.feared was because the EU was working as a block and had so much
:35:43. > :35:47.more leverage and was able to ensure that of the new countries in the EU
:35:48. > :35:54.had more ambitious targets. That as a positive campaign, and that is the
:35:55. > :36:01.difference between the Green campaign and some of the other
:36:02. > :36:07.remain campaigns. Caroline's position, looking at the environment
:36:08. > :36:12.and green issues, is very important. And works better by staying in the
:36:13. > :36:16.EU. She takes that view because she says you need to work together with
:36:17. > :36:22.people and other countries and organisations but I take an opposite
:36:23. > :36:26.view to that. It is one of democracy and I don't believe the EU is a
:36:27. > :36:29.democratic organisation, I think it is anti-democratic and it has shown
:36:30. > :36:32.that in its history in the way it treated Ireland and Holland and
:36:33. > :36:37.France and the way it treats Greece in terms of its austerity. The
:36:38. > :36:39.structure and nature in which the commission controls everything,
:36:40. > :36:45.creates everything working in secret, means it is an
:36:46. > :36:52.anti-democratic organisation. As Andrew Huxley put in his book, a
:36:53. > :36:57.brave New World. Would Greece have had a better chance outside of the
:36:58. > :37:03.EU? Would it have been better for the treatment of people there, not
:37:04. > :37:06.being part of this construct? Let me make a distinction between being a
:37:07. > :37:11.member of the EU and the single currency. The Green Party have never
:37:12. > :37:14.supported the week and the way in which the Greeks were treated was
:37:15. > :37:20.wrong but I think it is interesting that even the party in power at the
:37:21. > :37:23.time is not arguing that we should come out of the EU, they clearly see
:37:24. > :37:27.that their future is working with others in the EU to reform it. I am
:37:28. > :37:31.not saying that the whole of the EU with perfect, I have been a member
:37:32. > :37:38.of the European Parliament and out how cumbersome it can be. -- know
:37:39. > :37:43.how cumbersome. People elected to the British government are elected
:37:44. > :37:46.under a far less fair and proportional voting system than the
:37:47. > :37:52.European Parliament. If we want to stop TTIP is doing gauge with
:37:53. > :38:02.members of the European Parliament. -- is dying engaging. -- is by
:38:03. > :38:06.engaging. The 13% of people unemployed across the EU, the
:38:07. > :38:11.average youth unemployment hits at 13%, the highest levels of suicide
:38:12. > :38:15.sit there in Greece, the EU is a factor and cause of this. If you are
:38:16. > :38:19.talking about is rising governments, the 255,000 in Germany would have
:38:20. > :38:28.more of an impact on a single government than... The EU has been
:38:29. > :38:31.better at giving access to the TTIP governments than the British
:38:32. > :38:35.government. If you want to stop TTIP, you need to get to Parliament
:38:36. > :38:44.about against it, and similarly, other MPs need to vote against it.
:38:45. > :38:46.Talk to your colleagues and get them there as well. Caroline Lucas, thank
:38:47. > :38:48.you. The Prime Minister likes to say
:38:49. > :38:51.he and his party offered the referendum on our membership
:38:52. > :38:53.of the European Union. UKIP like to say he never would have
:38:54. > :38:56.if they hadn't grown so strong. 3.8 million votes at the General
:38:57. > :39:00.election, an MP, and it won If the Referendum is causing
:39:01. > :39:05.internal trouble inside the Conservative and Labour parties,
:39:06. > :39:07.UKIP is no different. Giles has been unpicking the real
:39:08. > :39:15.battles between senior Kippers... they like him, he's very good
:39:16. > :39:31.at media, with people and on stage. But it's always been an insider
:39:32. > :39:35.issue that you don't want to get He still has a great
:39:36. > :39:42.deal of support in UKIP. It's been a long 23 year
:39:43. > :39:44.slog but you know what? Ukip has grown up enough
:39:45. > :39:50.to have proper in-fighting, which is fair to say is the same
:39:51. > :39:53.in many other older parties, I am a man of my word,
:39:54. > :39:58.I don't break my word. ..and three days later
:39:59. > :40:01.changed his mind and winning just one seat in Parliament,
:40:02. > :40:03.with an MP who does not always see eye to eye with the leader,
:40:04. > :40:06.who did not win a seat, there are other big characters
:40:07. > :40:08.in this insurgent party who are learning all the time
:40:09. > :40:14.how to get their way. Four years ago I made this film
:40:15. > :40:17.for the Daily Politics asking whether Ukip was a one-man band,
:40:18. > :40:20.that one man being in Nigel Farage, and the party did not like that
:40:21. > :40:23.sort of question partly They are not any more and that holds
:40:24. > :40:28.the key to why they might be fighting inside
:40:29. > :40:29.the party these days. What Nigel wants Nigel gets used
:40:30. > :40:33.to be the way but it isn't any more and actually, that might be quite
:40:34. > :40:43.a good thing. Nigel Farage had a big influence
:40:44. > :40:47.over the Ukip's NEC, Lots of new members were elected
:40:48. > :40:51.to that last year and there were rumours around
:40:52. > :40:53.at the time that Farage was thinking of abolishing the NEC
:40:54. > :40:56.and having a different kind of governing body which he appointed
:40:57. > :41:00.people to do. As a result the NEC is throwing
:41:01. > :41:03.its weight around a bit more and we saw this with the selection
:41:04. > :41:06.for candidates in A list was put forward which Farage
:41:07. > :41:12.did not like and he came back with his own list for the NEC
:41:13. > :41:15.and the NEC said, right, we will scrap this and go out
:41:16. > :41:19.to members and get a ballot on this. This was the first time that the NEC
:41:20. > :41:22.really pushed back against Nigel and he did not get
:41:23. > :41:24.the results he wanted. He did not want Neil Hamilton top
:41:25. > :41:27.of the list and Neil Hamilton got on the list and now he has
:41:28. > :41:30.a good chance of being elected I am delighted I am the choice
:41:31. > :41:34.of Ukip members in Wales. Whatever Nigel Farage's views are,
:41:35. > :41:37.he did not have a vote in this election process but the ordinary
:41:38. > :41:40.Ukip members in Wales did. Win - they can claim a victory
:41:41. > :41:52.for their 23 year cause. Lose by just by a little,
:41:53. > :41:55.they can scoop up those crushed by the narrow defeat as did
:41:56. > :41:58.the SNP after the indy ref. But it's also providing grit to some
:41:59. > :42:01.of the internal rivalries - party lines blur, and some
:42:02. > :42:03.in the party back different It will get to the point
:42:04. > :42:09.where they are fighting so hard Nigel is not someone who likes this
:42:10. > :42:14.kind of check and balance, he is someone who is sure
:42:15. > :42:22.of himself, he points at his many accomplishments and you can't deny
:42:23. > :42:24.this, he has taken the party from nowhere to winning
:42:25. > :42:26.the European elections, to getting millions of votes
:42:27. > :42:28.and basically getting He looks at it and goes I delivered
:42:29. > :42:34.this, why are you questioning me? Other people in the party
:42:35. > :42:37.want to change the tone of Ukip, I can't see how it will be resolved
:42:38. > :42:56.and let some nicknames really shift Owen Bennett ending the report.
:42:57. > :42:59.Douglas Carswell, Neil Hamilton, Lord Pearson, all senior figures who
:43:00. > :43:04.found themselves briefed against by the leadership. What is it about
:43:05. > :43:06.Farage where he falls out with everybody? I don't necessarily think
:43:07. > :43:10.he everybody? I don't necessarily think
:43:11. > :43:15.political party, people have very strong views about Wallace or
:43:16. > :43:21.direction or the ideas and then you have a robust argument with the
:43:22. > :43:27.leader sometimes. I have had discussions with Nigel. Arguments
:43:28. > :43:31.question my Antony you can call them argument or discussion. I respect
:43:32. > :43:38.the fact he is willing to engage with you about the debate. Is he
:43:39. > :43:41.willing to engage? It sounds like he is losing the iron grip he had on
:43:42. > :43:49.the party and maybe that is a good thing. Every leader comes to a stage
:43:50. > :43:53.where... You have to look at this, this man has achieved what most
:43:54. > :43:57.people have not, which is force our government to have a referendum that
:43:58. > :44:02.people are about to have. They took us through the elections that we won
:44:03. > :44:06.in the election and he did not do that through force of will but
:44:07. > :44:09.actually listening to other people about direction and views and
:44:10. > :44:12.getting the message through. I don't think it is fair to say that he does
:44:13. > :44:17.not listen to people because I know he does. Does he take a strong view?
:44:18. > :44:23.Absolutely and that is what parties do. Is it a good thing that Farage
:44:24. > :44:27.is not getting his way in the way he once did? He is actually being
:44:28. > :44:32.challenged by Neil Hammerton and said he did not wanting to get top
:44:33. > :44:38.of the list but he is. Is it good? It shows we have a party that has
:44:39. > :44:41.more people involved in the discussions, there is more openness
:44:42. > :44:45.in the way these discussions come into the press, I don't and that is
:44:46. > :44:50.necessarily the right thing to do so, but what it also shows is that
:44:51. > :44:52.underneath there will always discussions about whether people
:44:53. > :44:54.succeeded or not. Not because Nigel wanted them to but because there
:44:55. > :45:03.were differences in the party. What do you think will happen to
:45:04. > :45:07.Douglas Carswell after the referendum? There is a difference in
:45:08. > :45:12.style between him and Nigel Farage. Is he likely to jump back to the
:45:13. > :45:16.Conservatives? I would not know what Douglas wants to do. He is as
:45:17. > :45:19.passionate as me and the other members of the party in leaving the
:45:20. > :45:26.European Union and is campaigning to do so. If I was to make a guess, I
:45:27. > :45:30.believe Douglas would take the issues he has at hand about opening
:45:31. > :45:37.up democracy, bringing more opportunity for people, to get
:45:38. > :45:42.involved and try to push that through into the policies of Ukip
:45:43. > :45:46.and others. Will there be a leadership contest after the
:45:47. > :45:52.referendum? I would not know about that. Do you think there will be?
:45:53. > :45:56.I'm not sure, what happens after June the 23rd is there will be some
:45:57. > :46:06.major issues to face. If we win, and I believe we will, from seeing
:46:07. > :46:16.people campaigning on the streets, we need to ensure that we leave. We
:46:17. > :46:18.will be concentrating on making sure Cameron commits to his word of
:46:19. > :46:19.leaving the European Union. Tomorrow is Budget Day -
:46:20. > :46:21.complete with Downing Street photo-calls featuring
:46:22. > :46:23.the Chancellor's red budget box, discussion of what the Chancellor
:46:24. > :46:25.will drink during his speech, and the weighty budget red books
:46:26. > :46:28.which provide all the detail conveniently left out
:46:29. > :46:29.of the statemetn. It's perhaps the biggest day
:46:30. > :46:32.of the year in the Chancellor's calendar - but it's also a tricky
:46:33. > :46:35.day for the leader of the opposition who has to respond to the Budget
:46:36. > :46:38.speech having only just In a moment we'll discuss the best
:46:39. > :46:42.way to prepare to give First though, here's how the last
:46:43. > :46:46.Labour opposition leader and last Conservative opposition leader
:46:47. > :47:01.coped with the task. Today, everyone can see what an
:47:02. > :47:03.utter mess this Labour government have made of the British economy.
:47:04. > :47:06.The fastest rise in unemployment in history, the worst recession
:47:07. > :47:08.since World War II, and the worst peacetime public
:47:09. > :47:15.As of today, any claim they have ever made to economic competence
:47:16. > :47:21.Mr Deputy Speaker, the hopes of millions of working
:47:22. > :47:24.people are more important than his hopes of being the future
:47:25. > :47:28.We know this Chancellor is personally ambitious
:47:29. > :47:32.but when the economic recovery is still fragile,
:47:33. > :47:40.he should be ambitious not just for himself but for the country.
:47:41. > :47:42.We've been joined by Torsten Bell, former policy advisor
:47:43. > :47:45.to Ed Miliband, who was involved with prepping the former labour
:47:46. > :47:59.How much site do you get of the contents of the statement? I have
:48:00. > :48:05.worked for chancellors and Shadow Chancellor is and the job, you might
:48:06. > :48:09.think is harder for chancellors because they need to put together a
:48:10. > :48:14.budget, whereas all the opposition leader has got to do. It turns out
:48:15. > :48:18.that the Chancellor has thousands of civil servants and Leader of the
:48:19. > :48:25.Opposition has probably got about five people stuck in a room, not
:48:26. > :48:33.even with him in the chamber. It is definitely a harder gig. Do you get
:48:34. > :48:36.much of a chance, usually the Shadow Chancellor will say, thank you for
:48:37. > :48:42.giving me a little bit beforehand, what are we talking about? We
:48:43. > :48:46.talking about nothing. You get a few pages of a four with heavily
:48:47. > :48:53.redacted text. It might tell you something has happened to
:48:54. > :49:01.productivity. What has changed is the British newspapers give you more
:49:02. > :49:05.advanced site of parts of the budget. That has made the job
:49:06. > :49:15.slightly easier than it was in the 1990s when Ken Clarke believed in
:49:16. > :49:19.secrecy. What do you do to prepare? One of the things about budgets is
:49:20. > :49:23.they do two things, not just the announcement of policy measures, it
:49:24. > :49:27.is also a state of the nation debate. One of the jobs of Leader of
:49:28. > :49:33.the Opposition is to make their case about what they think the state of
:49:34. > :49:37.the nation is. Clearly, you can write most of that in advance. You
:49:38. > :49:42.look at what is in the newspapers and plan for what you think might be
:49:43. > :49:47.announced and hopefully you show yourself to be fleet of foot in the
:49:48. > :49:51.chamber. That's the most difficult bit of all. In terms of what goes on
:49:52. > :49:56.behind-the-scenes, it must be pretty nerve wracking. Particularly if you
:49:57. > :50:02.set up a narrative that is then shot down by George Osborne before you
:50:03. > :50:07.stand up. That would be a bad result. You are looking to avoid
:50:08. > :50:13.that happening. It has happened. Ed Balls had a difficult time on one
:50:14. > :50:15.occasion. It is difficult for everybody and I would say different
:50:16. > :50:20.politicians deal with it in different ways and the other thing
:50:21. > :50:31.you cannot tell from watching it on TV is the sheer wall of noise. It is
:50:32. > :50:33.always load in the House of Commons, budget day and particular government
:50:34. > :50:41.benches after the Chancellor has given a speech are particularly
:50:42. > :50:47.loud. Keeping going through that wall of noise is not
:50:48. > :50:50.straightforward. What about the difference between the Shadow
:50:51. > :50:58.Chancellor and the Leader of the Opposition. How different is it? The
:50:59. > :51:03.Shadow Chancellor answers the statement. The overall shape of the
:51:04. > :51:12.challenge is the same but clearly autumn is slightly lower key. It
:51:13. > :51:19.depends on the individuals in those posts. Some have a good grasp of
:51:20. > :51:25.economics, some are slightly less versed. Who are you thinking of? I
:51:26. > :51:32.could not possibly say. It is an unenviable task having to stand up
:51:33. > :51:38.and respond on those occasions. What would you do to prepare? Pretty much
:51:39. > :51:43.the same lines as this. When you are a barrister you need to prepare for
:51:44. > :51:54.some severe judges. You've got to marshal the arguments as best as you
:51:55. > :51:59.can. I would back that up with evidence, prepares statements and
:52:00. > :52:05.lines, then use experience of debating style. The other thing to
:52:06. > :52:12.say is the Chancellor says a lot and he speaks for an hour, he is
:52:13. > :52:16.prepared that in advance. The job of the Leader of the Opposition is not
:52:17. > :52:20.to respond to everything. The big things, if you don't say anything
:52:21. > :52:23.about the big things then people like you and others have a harsh
:52:24. > :52:28.judgment but they definitely should not be in the business of saying, on
:52:29. > :52:32.your 15th point, I think you could improve this. The challenge is to
:52:33. > :52:36.have something to say on the state of the nation and respond to the big
:52:37. > :52:41.things in the budget. How prepared is Jeremy Corbyn?
:52:42. > :52:48.I have no idea but I'm sure he's been doing the preparation. Do you
:52:49. > :52:54.think he will do well? I've no idea. I don't know where he's up to. Top
:52:55. > :53:00.tips? The world has changed and in the olden days you passed notes into
:53:01. > :53:05.the chamber but nowadays there is text message and Twitter and I
:53:06. > :53:08.recommend he uses those. That very neatly moves into the last item,
:53:09. > :53:10.free advice. Now, if you're watching this show
:53:11. > :53:13.close to a computer or a smartphone, chances are you are interacting
:53:14. > :53:16.with us on Twitter using But did you know Twitter is fast
:53:17. > :53:21.approaching its tenth anniversary? Joining us to discuss
:53:22. > :53:25.its increasingly important role in political life -
:53:26. > :53:27.using slightly more than 140 characters, I hope -
:53:28. > :53:29.is Lewis Wiltshire, Twitter's senior But before we discuss the highs,
:53:30. > :53:35.let's remind ourselves of some David Cameron himself made the first
:53:36. > :53:44.prominent Twitter gaffe when he told Absolute Radio in 2009
:53:45. > :53:48.that "too many tweets make a bleep" - a prophetic lesson
:53:49. > :53:53.he was to fail to learn himself. The next year Bristol East MP
:53:54. > :53:56.Kerry McCarthy learnt to her cost that revealing postal vote counts
:53:57. > :53:59.during the General Election was a big no-no - she was cautioned
:54:00. > :54:05.by police for election fraud. Perhaps the most popular gaffe
:54:06. > :54:11.was committed by Ed Balls in 2011 after he tweeted his name instead
:54:12. > :54:14.of searching for it. Ever since, each April 28th,
:54:15. > :54:19.thousands pay homage by tweeting Tweeting photos has often got
:54:20. > :54:26.politicians into trouble. In June 2013 George Osborne posted
:54:27. > :54:30.a photo of him eating a burger Those lampooning him
:54:31. > :54:35.included Eric Pickles, who tweeted a picture
:54:36. > :54:37.of him in similar pose, There were more serious consequences
:54:38. > :54:42.for Emily Thornberry when she posted a photo of a house draped
:54:43. > :54:46.in St George's flags while campaigning in the Rochester
:54:47. > :54:49.Strood by-election. Miliband himself was responsible
:54:50. > :54:55.for some sloppy tweeting following the death of Bob Holness
:54:56. > :54:59.in 2012, saying that "a generation will remember him fondly
:55:00. > :55:04.from Blackbusters". In 2013 David Cameron wrote "@IDS-MP
:55:05. > :55:08.and I are determined Sadly for the Prime Minister @IDS-MP
:55:09. > :55:15.is a parody account of the Work Pensions Secretary -
:55:16. > :55:19.the real Iain Duncan Smith And who can forget UKIP -
:55:20. > :55:24.who complained that @reporterboy - that's our Giles the way -
:55:25. > :55:28.had filmed a piece about Actually, it was Westminster
:55:29. > :55:33.Cathedral. Lewis Wiltshire from
:55:34. > :55:42.Twitter has joined us. No doubt enjoying those
:55:43. > :55:46.recollections. We've seen lots of politicians messing up. Therefore
:55:47. > :55:52.the grace of God go I. What is your favourite Twitter mistake? The Ed
:55:53. > :56:01.Balls one, I am fond of, he still tweaked it every year. What they
:56:02. > :56:06.show is not only is everything that MPs say a matter of public record,
:56:07. > :56:10.that's always been the case, but also, with Twitter, everybody has a
:56:11. > :56:19.voice. The voting public can challenge MPs. Is it just an echo
:56:20. > :56:25.chamber? Are you just seeing these sentiments reverberating back? I
:56:26. > :56:32.don't think so because we see all ranges of the political spectrum
:56:33. > :56:36.reflected back. In any group that big you will always get political
:56:37. > :56:46.views covered but all the parties use it and followers use it as well.
:56:47. > :56:57.Is it worth the risk? There are loads more mistakes. Is Iain Duncan
:56:58. > :57:03.Smith right not to be on Twitter? 88% of UK MPs are on Twitter. They
:57:04. > :57:10.use it in a very powerful way to connect to the electorate. They also
:57:11. > :57:16.use it in a way that is dialogue. Everyone has a voice, people can
:57:17. > :57:23.speak truth to power. They can challenge MPs and ask them
:57:24. > :57:30.questions. Are you a fan of Twitter? I have made mistakes. I feel that
:57:31. > :57:41.Twitter users will go in search of mine. But it is essential to get
:57:42. > :57:49.messages out. How difficult is it to distil your thoughts into 140
:57:50. > :58:01.characters? You get better at it very quickly. Is that the truth of
:58:02. > :58:04.it? I think politicians have found an authenticity of voice. Barack
:58:05. > :58:11.Obama, the most followed, in the UK as well, Nicola Sturgeon, David
:58:12. > :58:20.Cameron, Boris, others. Nigel Farage as well. Right across the range.
:58:21. > :58:21.Politicians that speak with an authenticity of voice.
:58:22. > :58:25.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.
:58:26. > :58:28.Which TV couple have been discussing their trip to Chequers
:58:29. > :58:31.for a dinner with Tony Blair, over which they discussed
:58:32. > :58:33.the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction
:58:34. > :58:36.Was it a) Adrian Chiles and Christine Bleakley
:58:37. > :58:38.b) Richard and Judy c) Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn
:58:39. > :58:41.or d) Ant and Dec So Steven what's the correct answer?
:58:42. > :58:44.I think it was Ant and Dec. It was Richard and Judy! I thought it was
:58:45. > :58:56.obvious. Tomorrow is budget day and we will
:58:57. > :59:09.have full coverage. I will be presenting from Bolton.
:59:10. > :59:14.You and I - we're gonna change this country...
:59:15. > :59:16.He said, "I am President of the United States,
:59:17. > :59:20.# All my friends know the low rider... #