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:00:37. > :00:38.Afternoon, folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.

:00:39. > :00:41.There's a new craze sweeping Westminster.

:00:42. > :00:44.Senior politicians are queuing up to join in.

:00:45. > :00:46.Forget kissing babies and tweeting about your visit

:00:47. > :00:53.Yes, publishing tax returns is the new thing!

:00:54. > :00:56.David Cameron has become the first Prime Minister to publish details

:00:57. > :00:59.He was closely followed by Scotland's First Minister,

:01:00. > :01:01.and other senior politicians are expected to follow

:01:02. > :01:10.Following the leak of documents from a Panamanian law firm

:01:11. > :01:12.the Government will announce new measures to tackle tax evasion.

:01:13. > :01:18.Labour says a full public inquiry is needed.

:01:19. > :01:22.Tata Steel is to begin the formal process of selling its UK plants -

:01:23. > :01:26.thousands of jobs are still at risk if a deal can't be found.

:01:27. > :01:29.However, a City investment firm has agreed to buy the steel

:01:30. > :01:37.A quarter of British Muslims support the idea of Sharia law being given

:01:38. > :01:51.And with us for the whole of the programme today,

:01:52. > :01:53.the Labour MP Jess Phillips and the Conservative MP

:01:54. > :02:00.Jeremy and George are likely to in the next few days.

:02:01. > :02:04.John did it a while ago, as did Zac and Sadiq.

:02:05. > :02:06.Nigel, however, says it's a big no no.

:02:07. > :02:15.Yes, it's the new craze in Westminster, it seems.

:02:16. > :02:18.It's been a "taxing" few days for the Prime Minister - boom boom -

:02:19. > :02:20.after details emerged of his late father's offshore investments

:02:21. > :02:22.following the leak of the so-called Panama Papers.

:02:23. > :02:25.Yesterday Mr Cameron became the first British Prime Minister

:02:26. > :02:28.to publicise his tax affairs in such detail.

:02:29. > :02:32.So now the spotlight inevitably moves onto other politicians,

:02:33. > :02:35.speaking on the Westminster Hour last night UKIP leader Nigel Farage

:02:36. > :02:41.I worry where we are going with this.

:02:42. > :02:44.If we want to have party leaders publish their tax returns then

:02:45. > :02:52.Presumably then all councillors must do so, Bishops of course must do so,

:02:53. > :03:01.Actually, I think in this country what people earn is regarded

:03:02. > :03:09.However speaking this morning the Conservative backbencher

:03:10. > :03:14.Jacob Rees Mogg argued that such transparency was inevitable.

:03:15. > :03:17.My personal position is that I think MPs are going to have

:03:18. > :03:19.to publish their tax returns within the next few years.

:03:20. > :03:22.I can't say I'm enthusiastic about this.

:03:23. > :03:25.But it is the mood of the country and politicians need

:03:26. > :03:36.So that will lead me in due course, I expect, to publish my tax return.

:03:37. > :03:39.Joining me now is the Conservative MP Charles Walker and the SNP's

:03:40. > :03:49.Was the Prime Minister right to publish the headlines of his tax

:03:50. > :03:52.returns? He made a decision about personally I would not have done

:03:53. > :03:58.that but I'm never going to be Prime Minister. Why would you not have

:03:59. > :04:02.done it. People need private space. The Prime Minister has not done

:04:03. > :04:05.anything wrong, he followed the law and paid his taxes and there was a

:04:06. > :04:09.principle of privacy in this country around tax matters as we do other

:04:10. > :04:15.matters. Today it is his tax affairs, why not his medical records

:04:16. > :04:19.next. They publish those in the United States if you run for

:04:20. > :04:22.president. Could not be said that we know that he followed the law

:04:23. > :04:29.because he has now published his tax returns and that is not now in

:04:30. > :04:34.doubt. The truth is we are never going to restore public confidence

:04:35. > :04:38.in our politicians because the media ultimately Wilmot that the public

:04:39. > :04:44.have confidence in us. So we have this great media confection and we

:04:45. > :04:48.move on then to the next great media confection. If you want the public

:04:49. > :04:55.to believe that the Prime Minister is a crook, and that is what you are

:04:56. > :04:59.peddling, that he is a crook. You used that word, not me at all. If

:05:00. > :05:04.you go back on the tape when you finish with this programme I said it

:05:05. > :05:08.was because of the publication of his tax returns that we know he has

:05:09. > :05:16.not done anything illegal. For the last five days the media has

:05:17. > :05:21.peddled... Take that word back that I accused the Prime Minister of

:05:22. > :05:26.being a crook. You are big enough to take it. Not if it is not true. The

:05:27. > :05:29.truth is the media has spelt the line for the last five days to

:05:30. > :05:33.suggest our Prime Minister is a crook. If that is not the case then

:05:34. > :05:37.why are we having this debate. The Prime Minister has done nothing

:05:38. > :05:40.wrong and it is objectionable to see a good man reduced to having to

:05:41. > :05:46.defend his father in the way he has had to do. I do not think the Prime

:05:47. > :05:50.Minister has done anything wrong in the legal sense at all. What has

:05:51. > :05:58.happened, he did benefit from an offshore trust, and he admitted

:05:59. > :06:04.that. It is shown a bright light, into a dark corner. That is the

:06:05. > :06:08.issue of business fund trust established in overseas territories

:06:09. > :06:12.and administered by Panamanian lawyers. We will talk about this

:06:13. > :06:18.issue in a moment. I'm talking about tax returns at the moment. I will

:06:19. > :06:23.come to that. This is the key thing, I think that people in power and

:06:24. > :06:26.especially in the Cabinet, in government, responsible for setting

:06:27. > :06:30.tax policy, must be scrupulously clean and demonstrate to the public

:06:31. > :06:34.that they are not benefiting from loopholes in the tax system. I'm

:06:35. > :06:37.glad that he published them as did the First Minister. Now you have

:06:38. > :06:42.seen the headlines of the tax returns, as it clear in your mind

:06:43. > :06:50.that the Prime Minister has not benefited from those loopholes. He

:06:51. > :06:55.said he owned units in a trust, he sold bows and paid tax on the

:06:56. > :06:59.dividends. There was no capital gains tax liability and that is

:07:00. > :07:02.clear and legal. But that is not the point, the point is the offshore

:07:03. > :07:09.nature of the business which we know is abused by other people. Not by

:07:10. > :07:12.the Prime Minister. Not in this case but used by other people to hide

:07:13. > :07:17.assets. Should the rest of the Cabinet now published their tax

:07:18. > :07:20.returns? I think they should have a declaration that they had not

:07:21. > :07:27.benefited from offshore funds or offshore assets. That you should not

:07:28. > :07:34.invest in any kind of offshore, overseas investment M if it is an

:07:35. > :07:39.overseas investment, buying stocks and shares in IBM, that is one

:07:40. > :07:43.thing. But if you're investing in an institution established in an

:07:44. > :07:47.overseas territory and administered by a Panamanian law, the public have

:07:48. > :07:50.a right to ask why you're doing that instead of putting the cash into

:07:51. > :07:55.stocks and shares through your local stockbroker. This is difficult, my

:07:56. > :08:00.understanding is Minister people through their pensions, have

:08:01. > :08:05.investments in offshore funds. I do not know then where it ends.

:08:06. > :08:11.Personally I hope the Cabinet does not start to publish their tax

:08:12. > :08:13.returns because where it will end up inevitably is that all our

:08:14. > :08:19.constituents will have to publish their tax returns. And I hope that

:08:20. > :08:24.that is not the case. So where should it stop? I said the people

:08:25. > :08:29.responsible for determining tax policy, effectively the government,

:08:30. > :08:33.should publish, the Cabinet. I suspect that other MPs will want to

:08:34. > :08:37.and it will make dull reading to be honest. I suspect that will happen

:08:38. > :08:41.and if that provides more transparency and gives a bit of an

:08:42. > :08:47.-- confidence and encouragement to people at the top to do likewise,

:08:48. > :08:53.that is good. Where are you on this? There are so many people using

:08:54. > :08:58.weasel words to try to create an odour of malpractice when actually

:08:59. > :09:02.as we have established, absolutely nothing either legally or morally

:09:03. > :09:10.wrong has happened. I think it is really corrosive. I think it is

:09:11. > :09:14.really corrosive when the mood music makes out that everyone in politics

:09:15. > :09:19.or people at the top of politics are somehow dirty when British lunatics

:09:20. > :09:23.is amongst the cleanest politics in the world. So should this end with

:09:24. > :09:28.the Prime Minister, or should attend with the Cabinet publishing tax

:09:29. > :09:31.returns? I do not think the Prime Minister should have had two or

:09:32. > :09:34.should have put his tax returns into the public domain. He chose to do

:09:35. > :09:39.that and I respect his personal position but I think it is wrong.

:09:40. > :09:44.And poor Jeremy Corbyn to say everyone in public life, where was

:09:45. > :09:48.that stop, the bishops who sit in the House of Lords, senior members

:09:49. > :09:53.of the military or judiciary, the media? At what stage do we say,

:09:54. > :09:58.enough is enough. We are to take people on trust unless there is

:09:59. > :10:01.evidence to the contrary. This could be the price now but politicians are

:10:02. > :10:06.paying because of the recent collapse in trust in politicians. We

:10:07. > :10:10.all put our declarations of interest in the public domain, are expensive.

:10:11. > :10:16.I do not see a massive upturn in political trust in response to that.

:10:17. > :10:19.We could put our medical records, are inside leg measurement, all

:10:20. > :10:23.kinds of things in the public domain and that would not generate an

:10:24. > :10:28.increase in trust. You think even if every MP was to publish tax returns,

:10:29. > :10:35.it would make no difference. I fall in line with Jacob Rees-Mogg, but

:10:36. > :10:39.the public now demands that and I feel we are going to have to fall in

:10:40. > :10:42.line. I think it is a shame that we are in a position where once again

:10:43. > :10:47.politicians are seen to be untrustworthy. It is not for the

:10:48. > :10:51.sake that people will have a go at me on Twitter that I do not want

:10:52. > :10:56.this to be done but because everyday people must rely on us to make their

:10:57. > :11:00.tax laws, rely on us to do the right thing by them. If they do not trust

:11:01. > :11:04.us then we will have to literally start to give out are inside leg

:11:05. > :11:08.measurement. So should Cabinet ministers all publish their tax

:11:09. > :11:12.returns? I think I'm reticent to say they should but the public is

:11:13. > :11:17.demanding it at the moment so yes, I think we're going that way. What

:11:18. > :11:23.about my wife and children? We could move assets to them. Where does it

:11:24. > :11:27.end, will my wife then have to publish tax returns, my children,

:11:28. > :11:33.what about my mother? This is utter nonsense. One of the issues here

:11:34. > :11:39.that is overlooked, publishing tax returns, what will that really tell

:11:40. > :11:43.you. Tax returns after all are what has gone through the tax system,

:11:44. > :11:48.what has been approved by HMRC. If you have done something that you do

:11:49. > :11:53.not want people to know about, it is not likely to be on your tax return.

:11:54. > :11:56.Precisely. And the tax return is interesting in terms of

:11:57. > :12:01.transparency, but it is a declaration of no benefit from

:12:02. > :12:05.offshore trusts and fans, that aspect we are more interested in. So

:12:06. > :12:14.you do not benefit from a perceived loopholes. Why not just said that we

:12:15. > :12:18.are abiding by the law? It is one law for one person and one for

:12:19. > :12:23.everyone else. There really is not. One law is for Prime Ministers and

:12:24. > :12:26.Cabinet ministers and another set for everyone else. Just because

:12:27. > :12:35.anything David Cameron might have done was legal, it does not prevent

:12:36. > :12:42.people thinking this one law for the richest one for everyone else. What

:12:43. > :12:47.has David Cameron done wrong? I have not actually seen his tax returns,

:12:48. > :12:51.just a copy. In the years that he has been Prime Minister, it does not

:12:52. > :12:56.seem he has done anything illegal. Such weasel words, it does not seem

:12:57. > :13:00.that he has done anything illegal. That is a disgraceful thing to say

:13:01. > :13:04.and that is what I said at the start, you're trying to position the

:13:05. > :13:09.Prime Minister in a very unpleasant and underhand way. Not just you

:13:10. > :13:19.personally but a lot of people, as being dishonest. It is disgraceful.

:13:20. > :13:23.Hold on. Just to get it clear, in your view from a perusal of what we

:13:24. > :13:27.know of the last six years of his tax returns, he has done nothing

:13:28. > :13:33.wrong. Nothing illegal. So what has he done wrong M I cannot say. You

:13:34. > :13:37.describe the behaviour of his late father is utterly disgusting. What

:13:38. > :13:42.was utterly disgusting dash-mac it is utterly disgusting when people

:13:43. > :13:46.live in a society and do not want to pay all that is their fair share in

:13:47. > :13:51.any wealth or earnings that they have in this country. My parents did

:13:52. > :13:54.not have a little postbox in Panama where they sent their savings, they

:13:55. > :14:01.put them in the UK and spent them here. But any dividends paid from

:14:02. > :14:05.the fund, whether offshore or not, and any capital gains made from the

:14:06. > :14:11.fund, whether offshore or not, were taxed in the UK. Had that money

:14:12. > :14:16.being invested to UK stockbrokers, would have been more tax liability?

:14:17. > :14:21.An interesting question, but if he paid tax on all the dividends and if

:14:22. > :14:26.he paid capital gains tax on any capital gains made from the fund

:14:27. > :14:30.committee chair, was relinquished, what does disgusting about that? He

:14:31. > :14:36.lives in the UK, he uses the systems here that everyone else uses. My

:14:37. > :14:41.late mother was dying and was offered an inheritance tax stitch

:14:42. > :14:45.up, her account and said to her if you give it to so-and-so and she

:14:46. > :14:53.said I'm going to give it to the hospital treating me for cancer.

:14:54. > :14:57.Just finally, if he paid tax on everything that he was meant to,

:14:58. > :15:03.because the money was repatriated here and subject to British tax,

:15:04. > :15:06.what was disgusting? What is disgusting is living in this country

:15:07. > :15:11.and having your business in a fake post box in a different country. So

:15:12. > :15:19.you do not have to pay UK tax. But he did pay UK tax, we're told. Had

:15:20. > :15:23.it been here, but he had to pay more tax, if he had invested it in

:15:24. > :15:28.stockbrokers here would he have had to pay more tax? I'm not sure what

:15:29. > :15:34.the final word is. Then you will not need it! We have a new culture of

:15:35. > :15:38.bullying in this country. And this is not going to go away. The Foreign

:15:39. > :15:43.Minister will publish his tax returns, others will have to, it

:15:44. > :15:48.will be medical records next and go on and on. What politicians do one

:15:49. > :15:49.day I suspect our constituents will be following on pretty closely

:15:50. > :16:00.afterwards. This afternoon, David Cameron

:16:01. > :16:02.is expected to tell MPs that his Government "has done more

:16:03. > :16:05.than any other to take action against corruption in all its forms"

:16:06. > :16:08.but they "will go further". As the Prime Minister

:16:09. > :16:10.published his tax returns, Labour unveiled a 10-point plan

:16:11. > :16:12.to tackle tax avoidance, including a call for an immediate

:16:13. > :16:15.public inquiry and a register This afternoon, David Cameron

:16:16. > :16:19.is expected to announce criminal penalties on companies whose

:16:20. > :16:21.employees encourage This is in addition to plans

:16:22. > :16:28.announced in February last year by then-Liberal Democrat

:16:29. > :16:31.minister Danny Alexander - for a new offence for firms that

:16:32. > :16:36.fail to prevent tax evasion. That new offence is expected

:16:37. > :16:41.to become law later this year. Mr Cameron has already announced

:16:42. > :16:44.a new task force led by HM Revenue and Customs and the National Crime

:16:45. > :16:51.Agency to investigate allegations of tax-dodging and money laundering,

:16:52. > :16:56.raised by the so-called The government has also repeated

:16:57. > :17:02.commitments to introduce over 25 further measures in this Parliament

:17:03. > :17:07.to tackle tax avoidance and evasion, raising - they claim -

:17:08. > :17:13.a further ?16 billion in tax. In 2013 the then coalition

:17:14. > :17:19.government introduced a General Anti-Abuse Rule

:17:20. > :17:25.which outlawed reducing tax by legal means, where those arrangements are

:17:26. > :17:31.put in place purely to reduce tax. And last April the government's

:17:32. > :17:36.Diverted Profits Tax - the so-called "Google Tax" -

:17:37. > :17:40.came into force, aimed at big businesses who operate in the UK

:17:41. > :17:42.but avoid tax by trading In January, George Osborne claimed

:17:43. > :17:53.this tax resulted in Google agreeing to pay ?130 million in backdated

:17:54. > :18:06.tax, but it later emerged Has this government done more on tax

:18:07. > :18:13.evasion than any other previous government? There has been a number

:18:14. > :18:20.of steps. Some of the measures taken are good. Some of the stuff that has

:18:21. > :18:27.been announced is also helpful. I'm concerned about getting to the point

:18:28. > :18:31.where beneficial ownership of these businesses is clear to the

:18:32. > :18:38.authorities, not just his Mrs but also assets bought with the cash.

:18:39. > :18:42.There are 20, 30, ?40 million properties in Mayfair bought in cash

:18:43. > :18:46.without a mortgage wrapped up in corporate envelopes, who is the

:18:47. > :18:50.owner? Where do they get the money from? It is not just about tax

:18:51. > :18:58.avoidance but about identifying criminality. Those are parked in

:18:59. > :19:04.assets in the middle of London. Which they cannot move unless you

:19:05. > :19:08.want to rip up the house? Yes but they can park the money there

:19:09. > :19:14.safely. How does the British government find it out and what does

:19:15. > :19:18.it do about it? The reason that the Panama papers have very few American

:19:19. > :19:22.names is because of an agreement between Panama and the United

:19:23. > :19:25.States. Let's make sure that bilateral agreements are in place so

:19:26. > :19:30.we have access to the correct data from the correct places, identify

:19:31. > :19:36.the genuine beneficial owners and if they are due to be taxed, make sure

:19:37. > :19:45.the tax due is paid. What do you say? I think that making offshore

:19:46. > :19:53.tax havens like Panama more transparent is no bad thing. It is

:19:54. > :19:57.very dangerous to conflate very different terms. Tax avoidance and

:19:58. > :20:04.tax evasion. Tax evasion is illegal activity. We absolutely, the

:20:05. > :20:10.government in this Parliament and previous ones, have been cracking

:20:11. > :20:16.down in previous ones. The response to tax avoidance, if you do find it

:20:17. > :20:22.morally Republicans... As David Cameron did with Jimmy Carter. You

:20:23. > :20:26.change the rules, if they are acting in their way that society thinks is

:20:27. > :20:34.wrong, the response is to change the laws. That's definitely true. Tax

:20:35. > :20:43.evasion is clear-cut. Tax avoidance, there is a clear... There is a

:20:44. > :20:48.spectrum. At one end, tax avoidance that politicians encourage, like

:20:49. > :20:52.putting money in an ice all taking out a pension. There is really

:20:53. > :21:03.aggressive tax avoidance at the other end, like the Jimmy Carter

:21:04. > :21:12.case, and in between there are a whole range of investment funds,

:21:13. > :21:17.putting up windows, all the rest of it, if you make it so, located that

:21:18. > :21:22.it is a grey area that is quite difficult to define. It is exactly

:21:23. > :21:27.right. For the average people, the little people as some people have

:21:28. > :21:33.called them today, I wouldn't advise it, it is a company... As far as

:21:34. > :21:42.most people are concerned, most people pay their tax PAYE. I don't

:21:43. > :21:47.have a tax return. You can look at my P 60. The combination is that

:21:48. > :21:51.sunlight can't get in and we can't have transparency. What is really

:21:52. > :21:56.interesting about what James said is the difference between evasion and

:21:57. > :22:03.avoiding tax. They are completely different and they are complicated

:22:04. > :22:07.and difficult to understand. We must make that different. I want him to

:22:08. > :22:10.promise that we will do the same when we talk about people on

:22:11. > :22:17.benefits which are also competitive. Housing benefits, for instance. I

:22:18. > :22:21.have sat in debates where people misunderstand their own policy. I

:22:22. > :22:26.think it is very consistent, simplifying these financial

:22:27. > :22:33.arrangements, Iain Duncan Smith announced one of their driving

:22:34. > :22:36.ambitions to dramatically simplify the welfare system so that people

:22:37. > :22:42.can actually understand what they are entitled to. It is absolutely

:22:43. > :22:47.right that we simplify the tax system so people understand...

:22:48. > :22:53.Politicians have said that almost every month in the studio. Gordon

:22:54. > :22:59.Brown doubled the size of the tax guide and your Chancellor has added

:23:00. > :23:03.another 30% to it. Mr Brown was in for ten years, your man has been in

:23:04. > :23:13.for six. The more you talk about it, the gig at the tax guide you make. I

:23:14. > :23:22.like taxes to be necessary... I like them to be paid. I like them to be

:23:23. > :23:27.simple as possible. You went to this often, Jess and I are going to agree

:23:28. > :23:34.on this. They are meant to be paid. We may not have much control over

:23:35. > :23:41.Panama, that may be done through the OECD or on a more global scale, but

:23:42. > :23:46.we have control over what are known as Crown dependencies. To have the

:23:47. > :23:52.companies registered in Panama but actually based in the petition

:23:53. > :24:01.urging I and others. What should we do about the Crown dependencies? --

:24:02. > :24:08.in the British Virgin Islands. It should be pretty straightforward,

:24:09. > :24:11.people will find it straightforward, to have a register of the beneficial

:24:12. > :24:18.owners of businesses registered in those territories. As a starting

:24:19. > :24:22.point. Before we even get to Panama and the other countries where law

:24:23. > :24:27.firms provide these services. As a starting point. If British

:24:28. > :24:32.dependencies have a register of beneficial interests in their own

:24:33. > :24:37.areas, we will be able to see, I suspect, very quickly indeed and if

:24:38. > :24:41.we simply follow the money thereafter, the UK Treasury and

:24:42. > :24:47.other Exchequers and tax authorities will find a lot of income that at

:24:48. > :24:50.the moment is hidden and untaxed. If the British government was to do

:24:51. > :24:55.that, others have suggested it, given that you would have two flag

:24:56. > :25:04.it up, what would be to stop all these companies relocated? This is

:25:05. > :25:09.not a UK problem. The figures heard at the weekend were in the region of

:25:10. > :25:14.21 trillion of cash around the world part in what are known as offshore

:25:15. > :25:20.havens. Every Advantest Chrissie in the world once it tax dollars to pay

:25:21. > :25:24.for public services. I think there would be support from every advanced

:25:25. > :25:30.economy for this sort of action. So it needs a global action? Yes.

:25:31. > :25:37.A new statue of Baroness Thatcher has been built and was set to be

:25:38. > :25:45.the sculpture has been blocked by the former PM's daughter Carol.

:25:46. > :25:49.Was it A) Because it wasn't made of iron?

:25:50. > :25:54.Or D) She wasn't holding her handbag?

:25:55. > :25:57.At the end of the show James and Jess will give

:25:58. > :26:19.news for the steel industry. Just before we came on air it has been

:26:20. > :26:28.agreed to sell Tata's steelworks in Scunthorpe. Joining us is business

:26:29. > :26:29.editor Simon Jack. Tell others about Scunthorpe and what are they going

:26:30. > :26:42.to do with it? Good News in an otherwise bleak time

:26:43. > :26:51.for the steel industry. A company that specialised in turnaround

:26:52. > :26:55.failing businesses have bought it and will rename it to British Steel.

:26:56. > :27:02.I imagine everyone will be high-fiving everybody. We will hear

:27:03. > :27:06.from Sajid Javid later today. It should be said, union members are

:27:07. > :27:10.still to vote on pay and pension changes that would see a 3% pay cut

:27:11. > :27:17.and changes to pension benefits in return for a lifeline for over 4000

:27:18. > :27:22.jobs, surely, they will get that support. But this is not the bit

:27:23. > :27:26.that includes Port Talbot in South Wales. There are 10,000 Tata

:27:27. > :27:32.employees around the country whose future remains uncertain. They are

:27:33. > :27:36.going to launch an official sales process for that. There have been

:27:37. > :27:39.tentative signs of interest but the restructuring deal you would need to

:27:40. > :27:44.get that done is much more severe than the one for this and the

:27:45. > :27:50.crucial element is time. It took nine months to get this deal done.

:27:51. > :27:53.Whether the Tata board can sit tight for months when they are losing

:27:54. > :28:00.millions of week is very much unclear. In the context, Scunthorpe

:28:01. > :28:05.seems good news, not great but in the context of bad news for the

:28:06. > :28:11.steel industry. Let's move on to Port Talbot. Is there a preferred

:28:12. > :28:19.buyer? Is there a likely candidate in the frame? Liberty House group

:28:20. > :28:25.and its chairman Sanjiv Gupta have come forward as a potential saviour.

:28:26. > :28:30.This is not the one that the faithful want to hear. This is a

:28:31. > :28:34.radical restructure of the plant at Port Talbot, getting rid of the

:28:35. > :28:38.blast furnace and replacing it with an industry that is less intensive

:28:39. > :28:43.and lest people intensive. You would need massive support and retraining.

:28:44. > :28:47.Whether that can be done when Tata have said that they want a deal done

:28:48. > :28:51.in a time bound way. I will be talking to them later today to find

:28:52. > :28:57.out what they mean by that. They think they need to do a deal in

:28:58. > :29:00.weeks, it will take months. Whether they have the patience to do that

:29:01. > :29:06.will be unclear. There are many more jobs at stake there. To summarise,

:29:07. > :29:10.as things stand, it would be hard to say that there is light at the end

:29:11. > :29:13.of the tunnel for Port Talbot? There will be people who would come

:29:14. > :29:19.forward to buy bits and pieces of the remaining Tata operation. There

:29:20. > :29:24.have been expressions of interests from Germany, from liberty group.

:29:25. > :29:31.People might want to buy it piecemeal. The idea of it staying

:29:32. > :29:35.and being sold in its current form is a little far-fetched at the

:29:36. > :29:38.moment. We will let you get on. A busy day for you.

:29:39. > :29:40.Joining me now is Roy Rickhuss - General Secretary of

:29:41. > :29:42.the Community Union which represent around a half

:29:43. > :29:55.You're going to see the Business Secretary Sajid Javid this

:29:56. > :30:02.afternoon. He is attending a meeting and we will be in attendance. That

:30:03. > :30:06.is why you are in London? I'm based in London but that is why I'm here.

:30:07. > :30:10.What would you like him to stay but he went to Mumbai last week, rather

:30:11. > :30:15.politically. We were there before and Matt representatives of the

:30:16. > :30:20.board to try to push them the turnaround plan not just for port

:30:21. > :30:24.Talbot but for the other business. We were disappointed, they chose not

:30:25. > :30:30.to support it and we are where we are. They will not go back on that

:30:31. > :30:34.position now. So the decision to sell their entire UK steel business,

:30:35. > :30:38.what is left after the news we heard this morning about Greybull Capital,

:30:39. > :30:46.we called on them to be responsible sellers. By that we mean the whole

:30:47. > :30:50.gambit, supporting the businesses, ensuring it is sold as a going

:30:51. > :30:55.concern. You would not want to be split up in a way that Simon

:30:56. > :30:59.suggested customer I'm not as pessimistic as Simon, I believe

:31:00. > :31:03.there is optimism. Looking at what happened in the last few weeks,

:31:04. > :31:06.we've started to build I think a head of steam that says the UK steel

:31:07. > :31:10.industry is not the basket that everyone makes it out to be. Not

:31:11. > :31:16.just good news today we're hearing, last week we also saw the sale of

:31:17. > :31:21.the two Scottish plants and we should not underestimate that

:31:22. > :31:27.achievement. That means that we can bring production back to Scotland,

:31:28. > :31:34.which was... But very small. About 400 jobs in total and then the

:31:35. > :31:38.supply chain. But it is the principal. Simon explain the

:31:39. > :31:41.difficulties of selling the business intact. And the timing

:31:42. > :31:47.considerations as well. What would you like the government to do to

:31:48. > :31:54.overcome these hurdles to assail customer that is the same as we

:31:55. > :31:56.passed from the government and asked Tata, to be responsible and if needs

:31:57. > :31:59.be the government may need to support the business through the

:32:00. > :32:04.process. Through the transition period. With that the temporary

:32:05. > :32:13.nationalisation in your view? That could be an option, I would not take

:32:14. > :32:15.any option off the table. I would refer to positive government

:32:16. > :32:18.intervention and that is what we called for all along. If the

:32:19. > :32:22.government can see the position where a buyer is in place, there has

:32:23. > :32:27.been expressions of interest, we need to get from that position to a

:32:28. > :32:31.successful conclusion and why should the government not support that

:32:32. > :32:34.process. I think there are signs coming out of government that there

:32:35. > :32:38.are more prepared now to consider that because obviously they hit are

:32:39. > :32:43.finally waking up to the point that this is a significant, fundamental

:32:44. > :32:48.industry to our country. You cannot have a successful and affection

:32:49. > :32:53.industry without a successful steel industry. If you were a prospective

:32:54. > :33:00.buyer or for example Tata, would you not be likely to have some have

:33:01. > :33:04.dashed to tough conditions for the government and say, you need to do

:33:05. > :33:08.something about energy prices for heavy energy intensive businesses,

:33:09. > :33:15.you need to do something about business rates, as well. And you

:33:16. > :33:21.need to do more about Chinese steel dumping in the EU. Would you not be

:33:22. > :33:26.likely to ask the government to do something on all of those fronts as

:33:27. > :33:29.a condition of sale? I do not know about condition of sale but they

:33:30. > :33:32.should do them anyway. We have been campaigning not just for a few

:33:33. > :33:37.months but for years on these issues. My union in particular

:33:38. > :33:44.helped working with the UK steel Association to put those demands

:33:45. > :33:48.together. Those demands went in front of government and I get

:33:49. > :33:50.frustrated because sometimes you hear men -- government minister

:33:51. > :33:54.saying we have done that but they have not. They made a start, I will

:33:55. > :33:59.give them that, on some of these issues. But they have not resolved

:34:00. > :34:04.to the industry's satisfaction, the issues you have raised. So anyone

:34:05. > :34:09.looking to invest in the UK steel industry absolutely will need

:34:10. > :34:13.confidence from the government that they will act on those issues. And

:34:14. > :34:18.we have not yet have that confidence from the government. They have been

:34:19. > :34:23.slow to move on energy prices, the energy costs for Tata are twice as

:34:24. > :34:30.high as those of Germany, business rates, the Chancellor did nothing

:34:31. > :34:35.about that in the budget. And on dumping we have barely managed 13%

:34:36. > :34:44.tariff when the Americans managed 266%. The government has been, and

:34:45. > :34:48.I'm pleased at the movement that has been made has been recognised by

:34:49. > :34:51.people in the industry and I understand from the steel industry

:34:52. > :34:57.point of view, they would like to have seen that go further and go

:34:58. > :35:00.faster. It is worth remembering we have been opposed over and over

:35:01. > :35:05.again for measures to bring about a reduction in energy costs because I

:35:06. > :35:09.think sometimes people look at these things in isolation. They think of

:35:10. > :35:15.energy policy and do not think of the implication for key British

:35:16. > :35:18.businesses. You have had six years to know the impact it has on heavy

:35:19. > :35:23.energy intensive businesses in the country and for six years, you

:35:24. > :35:29.inherited that from the last Labour government, you did not inherited,

:35:30. > :35:32.but then there was the carbon floor price, but you presided over energy

:35:33. > :35:36.costs for companies like Tata that are twice as expensive as those of

:35:37. > :35:40.Germany. The government is pushing in the right direction, that has

:35:41. > :35:45.been recognised. Like a lot of people I want to see that continue.

:35:46. > :35:51.And I think that we do need some kind of questions asked about the

:35:52. > :35:56.implications of energy policies on British businesses. It may be too

:35:57. > :35:59.late to ask questions, thousands of jobs are at stake. The French,

:36:00. > :36:05.Italians and Germans have been pushing to get road of, it is an

:36:06. > :36:10.arcane issue but known as the lesser duty rule which stops the European

:36:11. > :36:14.Union putting up really penal rates even in the face of dumping at which

:36:15. > :36:22.the Americans have been able to do. The British Government has opposed

:36:23. > :36:25.this, why? You would have to ask a government minister for their

:36:26. > :36:32.perspective. Chance would be a nice thing! My personal position, and

:36:33. > :36:41.this is a personal position, I'm not a great believer in trade tariffs.

:36:42. > :36:45.Even for dumping? I want to see the British steel industry successful.

:36:46. > :36:51.We already had talk about how it might adapt to be successful for the

:36:52. > :36:56.future. But in imposing tariffs, it does not ring down the cost of

:36:57. > :37:01.British Steel. The purpose of these kind of tariffs... People in the

:37:02. > :37:08.manufacturing industry are already scared about the cost of production

:37:09. > :37:13.and would be horrified... You cannot build an industry on the basis of

:37:14. > :37:19.dumped steel for a couple of years. In the past couple of years China

:37:20. > :37:24.has started to dumped steel and that is an easy definition, selling at

:37:25. > :37:27.below cost. Are you telling viewers this morning that even when they are

:37:28. > :37:35.clearly selling below cost, dumping, that they should not be penal

:37:36. > :37:41.tariffs? Tariffs pushed the cost of raw materials up, they do not bring

:37:42. > :37:45.the cost of other alternatives down. That was hit British manufacturing.

:37:46. > :37:50.You answered the question. I believe that tariffs are necessary and it

:37:51. > :37:57.seems to be the government has been found wanting and what their wanting

:37:58. > :38:01.is a hand in China pocket. Unfortunately British workers are

:38:02. > :38:05.paying the price. We have got to commit to British Steel through

:38:06. > :38:10.legislation, through the budget, and it seems to me it was only when the

:38:11. > :38:16.job of Sajid Javid was on the line that anyone cared. Come back to see

:38:17. > :38:20.it in a couple of months, will be see a smile on your face? I really

:38:21. > :38:26.believe so. I have every confidence in the industry. I believe that are

:38:27. > :38:29.still workers are the best in the world and I believe that we have

:38:30. > :38:35.never once asked for charity. We do not want charity. What we want is a

:38:36. > :38:42.fair and level playing field. And I hear this about putting on tariffs,

:38:43. > :38:46.pushing prices up, that was not always the case. Leading up to 2008

:38:47. > :38:49.the steel industry was a good place to be, everyone was making money,

:38:50. > :38:54.there was a lot of successful businesses. And still prices were

:38:55. > :38:58.higher than than they had ever been, you did not get this call from

:38:59. > :39:04.people saying we must lower still prices or we cannot make money. I

:39:05. > :39:05.will have a smile on my face. I hope you will come back and see us. Thank

:39:06. > :39:19.you. plenty happened over the recess and

:39:20. > :39:20.plenty more coming up to keep us all busy.

:39:21. > :39:22.Today the government starts sending its EU leaflet

:39:23. > :39:30.Leave campaigners are expected to press in the Commons for changes

:39:31. > :39:34.to the Finance Bill to secure an additional ?9 million in funding

:39:35. > :39:37.to compensate for the amount spent on the Government leaflet.

:39:38. > :39:40.While in the House of Lords peers are poised to force

:39:41. > :39:43.changes as the Housing Bill begins its report stages.

:39:44. > :39:45.Tomorrow, the new Work and Pensions Secretary,

:39:46. > :39:48.Stephen Crabb, delivers his first major speech since taking

:39:49. > :39:55.On Wednesday David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn square up

:39:56. > :39:57.in the House of Commons for their first PMQs

:39:58. > :40:06.Thursday marks the deadline for the Electoral Commission

:40:07. > :40:09.to make its final decision on the official designation of lead

:40:10. > :40:18.campaigners for each outcome at the EU referendum.

:40:19. > :40:20.And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is expected to make a major

:40:21. > :40:32.And on Friday, the official regulated period for

:40:33. > :40:43.With all be poring over those rules to make sure we do not end up the

:40:44. > :40:44.wrong side of the Electoral Commission.

:40:45. > :40:46.We're joined now by Harry Cole of the Sun

:40:47. > :40:50.and Rowena Mason from the Guardian from College Green.

:40:51. > :40:58.What is the latest on tax returns, is the chance now going to give us

:40:59. > :41:02.tax return? We are seeing more of the joined up thinking from the

:41:03. > :41:07.government now that we were treated to last week. This morning if you

:41:08. > :41:10.woke up to the headlines, we were getting the tax return from George

:41:11. > :41:13.Osborne and then suddenly, we might not. And now the Prime Ministers

:41:14. > :41:18.ordered George Osborne to publish those so I think we will get them.

:41:19. > :41:22.It would be unfortunate if Jeremy Corbyn got to the summit of the

:41:23. > :41:25.first rail kit he had on the government and managed to shoot

:41:26. > :41:29.himself in the foot. But six days ago he said he was happy to publish

:41:30. > :41:33.his tax return and since then it is, he will publish it soon. There is

:41:34. > :41:35.speculation that if he has an accountant, they are having

:41:36. > :41:40.difficulty putting together the paperwork. My advice to him would be

:41:41. > :41:46.to get it right. Take the absolute shoe in he will get in Parliament if

:41:47. > :41:51.he has not publish it at the time he stands up and has a go at David

:41:52. > :41:57.Cameron. But if it is published and a slightly inaccurate I think that

:41:58. > :42:01.would be terrible and Woodley to questions over how he could run the

:42:02. > :42:07.country. Rowena, your newspaper has been playing a pivotal role in the

:42:08. > :42:12.Parma papers. What are you hearing on tax returns? The line this

:42:13. > :42:15.morning from the lobby briefing was that not only does the promise to

:42:16. > :42:19.think it is right that he publishes his own tax returns, but he wants

:42:20. > :42:23.the chance and respective candidates for both of those jobs to publish

:42:24. > :42:32.more information about their tax as well. What he is doing is drawing a

:42:33. > :42:35.clear line to stop MPs potentially having to release their tax returns,

:42:36. > :42:42.saying it is a matter for them. But anyone looking after the nation 's

:42:43. > :42:45.finances, and the opposition people in those roles, they should provide

:42:46. > :42:52.more information as David Cameron has done. The EU leaflet dropping on

:42:53. > :42:57.a doorstep near you soon. How angry are at the Tory Eurosceptics about

:42:58. > :43:01.this? The blowhard or already blowing pretty hard in the

:43:02. > :43:06.referendum campaign and this has poured petrol on the fire. We knew

:43:07. > :43:09.that there would be this kind of stunt, this leaflet was in the

:43:10. > :43:14.legislation that it was possible. But the way he went about it,

:43:15. > :43:19.sneaking about during an ongoing tax row, they're angry. And all kinds of

:43:20. > :43:26.hints that we might go back to the days of Maastricht where rebels were

:43:27. > :43:29.able to kind of grind the government business down to a halt. But

:43:30. > :43:33.government business is pretty much as anyway so I am not quite sure

:43:34. > :43:38.what they're planning. We have got the Electoral Commission having to

:43:39. > :43:43.choose who gets the money, who gets the official designation. One

:43:44. > :43:47.official leave and one official remain campaign. The interest is in

:43:48. > :43:53.who gets the league campaign. Remind us what the choice is and who you

:43:54. > :43:58.think will get it? I think most rags have to be on Vote Leave, the

:43:59. > :44:04.campaign being run by Matthew Elliott and Dominic Cummings. The

:44:05. > :44:08.politics associated with that, the Tory babies, people like Michael go.

:44:09. > :44:16.The other campaign is also interesting, it has close links to

:44:17. > :44:24.Ukip. Called grassroots out. Connected to the Ukip donor Arron

:44:25. > :44:30.Banks. It is very impressive how you have got all this in your mind! The

:44:31. > :44:33.thing about grassroots out, they help a lot of rallies around the

:44:34. > :44:37.country and they have a lot of the Ukip supporters behind them. One of

:44:38. > :44:39.the interesting things about the designation, it looks that

:44:40. > :44:42.grassroots support and that is one element that would be in their

:44:43. > :44:53.favour. But I still think it will be Vote Leave. Also things like

:44:54. > :45:01.financial probity and who the backers are. So no Panama account!

:45:02. > :45:07.Arron Banks denied he was anything to do with the Panama papers today.

:45:08. > :45:14.He is not Vote Leave! It is all one big mess. And finally, is Jeremy

:45:15. > :45:23.Corbyn speech on the EU, are we going to hear the background strains

:45:24. > :45:26.of the EU flag fluttering? Jeremy Corbyn is in favour of staying in

:45:27. > :45:31.the EU and made that clear all along. Not that clear! Some people

:45:32. > :45:34.would like him to show more passion and fire about wanting to stay in.

:45:35. > :45:41.We have been promised a very enthusiastic speech. We do not know

:45:42. > :45:45.where he's doing that but it will be remarkable to watch lifelong

:45:46. > :45:48.Eurosceptic wrap themselves in the blue and yellow flag. Whether he can

:45:49. > :45:53.do that convincingly and will take half his Shadow Cabinet with him,

:45:54. > :46:03.Diane Abbott back in the day, all strong Eurosceptics.

:46:04. > :46:05.The use of Sharia, or Islamic religious law,

:46:06. > :46:09.is growing in Britain, with thousands of Muslims using it

:46:10. > :46:17.to help resolve family and financial disputes each year.

:46:18. > :46:27.A new survey says that a quarter of UK Muslims would like to see sharia

:46:28. > :46:32.law be given more credence in British law.

:46:33. > :46:35.Their case is being taken up by crossbench peer Baroness Cox

:46:36. > :46:38.in her Private Member's Bill, aiming to make it illegal for Sharia

:46:39. > :46:40.courts to act as legal courts in arbitration cases.

:46:41. > :46:42.The government, however, doesn't think this is necessary.

:46:43. > :46:45.So we asked Baroness Cox to set out her case and take a turn

:46:46. > :46:50.In Britain, for 800 years, since the signing of Magna Carta,

:46:51. > :46:54.we have had a fundamental commitment to the principle of one law

:46:55. > :46:57.for all and equality of access to that law.

:46:58. > :47:06.I believe passionately in the freedom of religion and belief.

:47:07. > :47:10.But in Britain there is now a system of sharia councils or courts

:47:11. > :47:12.which inherently discriminate against women and girls in ways that

:47:13. > :47:16.are causing a great deal of suffering.

:47:17. > :47:25.This is a moral maze which we must navigate.

:47:26. > :47:29.For example, under sharia law and man can divorce his wife just

:47:30. > :47:34.by saying "I divorce you" three times.

:47:35. > :47:36.The woman often has to pay or to fulfil other

:47:37. > :47:38.conditions which may be very difficult for her.

:47:39. > :47:47.But sharia law allows polygamy, a man can have up to four wives.

:47:48. > :47:50.And one of my Muslim women friends who is doing research

:47:51. > :47:53.into the plight of Muslim woman in the West Midlands,

:47:54. > :47:56.told me how women sometimes married into polygamous marriages

:47:57. > :47:59.without even realising there was already another

:48:00. > :48:15.I had wept with many of these Muslim women when they told me how much

:48:16. > :48:20.One lady said to me, I feel betrayed by Britain.

:48:21. > :48:23.I came here to get away from this, it is worse

:48:24. > :48:25.here than in the country I came from.

:48:26. > :48:27.Their suffering would be making our suffragettes

:48:28. > :48:35.We must not get caught in a labyrinth of inaction,

:48:36. > :48:39.because we are afraid of upsetting cultural sensitivities,

:48:40. > :48:45.It is high time that we made sure that we do uphold

:48:46. > :48:50.the principle of one law for all, of equality of access to that law,

:48:51. > :48:53.and we end the kind of discrimination that is causing

:48:54. > :49:01.so much suffering too many girls and women in our country today.

:49:02. > :49:08.We're also joined by Yasmin Khan, director of the Halo Project -

:49:09. > :49:11.a charity that helps women victims of domestic violence and forced

:49:12. > :49:29.The baroness is wanting to help the kind of women that your organisation

:49:30. > :49:35.is hoping to help. But you are opposed to that. I am accepting that

:49:36. > :49:42.there are problems within the sharia system. But if you look at the

:49:43. > :49:49.number of people who used the sharia Council, 80% of those are women. I

:49:50. > :49:54.welcome new legislation such as the criminalisation of forced marriage,

:49:55. > :49:58.introduced in 2014, we need to be very careful about understanding.

:49:59. > :50:03.There is a misconception about what this law suggests. It is very clear

:50:04. > :50:09.that the law of the land be applied and that should overrule. The law of

:50:10. > :50:15.the land should always be above sharia law? Muslims are expected to

:50:16. > :50:20.abide by the law of the land. Do we have evidence that the women are

:50:21. > :50:25.using sharia law because it is a conscious choice or because they

:50:26. > :50:29.feel that the norms and pressures in their community forced them to go

:50:30. > :50:35.that way? They have at the moment the flexibility to use both. There

:50:36. > :50:40.are laws that protect them. There are movements within the sharia

:50:41. > :50:45.councils to work progressively and modernise and regulate some systems.

:50:46. > :50:51.We should be working with them, not against them and introducing new law

:50:52. > :50:55.when it is unnecessary for stop I believe in freedom of religion and

:50:56. > :51:00.the right of women to access the kind of courts and council that they

:51:01. > :51:09.wish. It must be genuine and not through ignorance. I found that many

:51:10. > :51:14.women didn't know the options. They didn't know that an Islamic marriage

:51:15. > :51:19.wasn't legally registered in this country. They have no rights

:51:20. > :51:24.whatsoever. It was a cry from them for knowledge and a cry from the

:51:25. > :51:30.heart for them for freedom from divesting violence. This was not the

:51:31. > :51:34.context which allows policies and principles and actions that are

:51:35. > :51:39.incompatible with the values and laws of our land. Is domestic file

:51:40. > :51:49.is allowed under sharia law? It is not. -- domestic violence. We must

:51:50. > :51:57.not marginalised communities, we must work with them and understand

:51:58. > :52:03.them. Does sharia law allow for domestic violence? It allows

:52:04. > :52:15.chastisement and that is used in many cases. It is important to

:52:16. > :52:23.understand the number of and women who use sharia councils. I am not

:52:24. > :52:30.here to comment on that. You are. And I am asking you to comment. It

:52:31. > :52:38.allows freedom and it allows certainty. I'm saying that we need

:52:39. > :52:45.more dialogue to help all people, especially Muslim women. This is

:52:46. > :52:51.very interesting, isn't it? My heart sinks when a Muslim woman comes into

:52:52. > :52:57.my surgery and thinks she has rights and hands me the papers for an

:52:58. > :53:01.Islamic marriage and not a British legal marriage, my heart sinks. I

:53:02. > :53:07.have been through lots of issues regarding custody and people

:53:08. > :53:17.escaping domestic violence within the cost -- context of sharia law.

:53:18. > :53:20.We are in danger of portraying domestic violence as being more

:53:21. > :53:29.prolific in the Muslim community. That is simply not the case. It is

:53:30. > :53:38.everywhere. What is your point? If sharia law this grim and -- if

:53:39. > :53:45.sharia law discriminates against women in any way, it should be

:53:46. > :53:51.stopped. I agree that the law definitely needs to be changed and

:53:52. > :53:58.we are already working and looking at changing and reforming. That is

:53:59. > :54:03.the focus I want to look at. I am suggesting we look with local

:54:04. > :54:06.communities and see how you can modernise the councils that

:54:07. > :54:11.currently operate. This probably won't get through the Commons. Not

:54:12. > :54:13.this time. But we hope that next time it will start in the Commons.

:54:14. > :54:21.Thank you for joining me. Another months of riding high

:54:22. > :54:28.in the Republican race, last week the New York businessman

:54:29. > :54:30.lost the Wisconsin primary And things aren't looking good

:54:31. > :54:36.for the Hillary Clinton either, who also just lost to Bernie Sanders

:54:37. > :54:48.in the recent primary. I am finding it hard to keep count

:54:49. > :54:55.of the primary she has lost recently.

:54:56. > :55:00.from Bloomberg in our Washington Bureau.

:55:01. > :55:10.Is it likely that we will have a contested convention for the

:55:11. > :55:15.Republicans? It seems quite likely. We have seen that over the weekend

:55:16. > :55:20.Donald Trump has been struggling in Colorado, failing to secure a single

:55:21. > :55:25.delegate from that state. The arithmetic is getting more difficult

:55:26. > :55:31.for him to get to the 1237. He needs to secure the nomination outright

:55:32. > :55:44.before Cleveland. The last really contest and one was in 1952. There

:55:45. > :55:51.was a bit of one in 1976. 1952 in Chicago, Ike emerged. People thought

:55:52. > :55:56.it was going to be Senator Taft. I right in thinking that by the second

:55:57. > :56:02.ballot people can go whichever way they please? This is the crazy

:56:03. > :56:06.thing. Every state has different rules. You need experience to get

:56:07. > :56:11.through this. Certain delegates are an bound going in. As you said, in

:56:12. > :56:16.the first ballot most people have two vote the way their primaries and

:56:17. > :56:22.caucuses turned out but after that, if nobody can get to 1237, it is a

:56:23. > :56:25.free for all with people going for their preference and they are

:56:26. > :56:30.technically an bound. That is why you see this man-to-man delegate.

:56:31. > :56:36.Ted Cruz has an advantage in this. He is stocking the slate for each

:56:37. > :56:43.state with people who will be loyal to him. For if we get to subsequent

:56:44. > :56:52.ballots are around the world. I wasn't there in 1952... I can see

:56:53. > :56:55.that! Although Mrs Clinton has the arithmetic with her, she is losing a

:56:56. > :57:03.lot of the primaries to Bernie Sanders. He has a great fight in

:57:04. > :57:10.him. What does it tell others about her candidacy? She's not sweeping

:57:11. > :57:14.all before her. She does have a moment and then fuse jazz gap

:57:15. > :57:26.compared to the Vermont senator. He wants to use this to push home his

:57:27. > :57:34.issue, appealing to the progressive side of the party. It is to push her

:57:35. > :57:40.to see what she will do to address those issues. She is definitely

:57:41. > :57:43.showing weakness. This, for the Republicans, is something that they

:57:44. > :57:48.are going to seize upon. If she can't even beat Bernie Sanders and

:57:49. > :57:52.secure these big state, what does it say about her chances in a general

:57:53. > :57:56.election? That is what they are using this exercise for. Is there

:57:57. > :58:05.any chance that the Attorney General would take action against Mrs

:58:06. > :58:11.Clinton? President Obama address this over the weekend. He said any

:58:12. > :58:17.decision on her e-mail would be neutral. There will be no political

:58:18. > :58:23.influence to this decision. Really? That is where we are at at the time.

:58:24. > :58:28.That is what the president says. Thank you for marking our card.

:58:29. > :58:33.Before we go, why did Carol Thatcher not want the statue to go up in

:58:34. > :58:43.Parliament Square? What it was made of. The hairdo? It looked like Meryl

:58:44. > :58:50.Streep? Because of the handbag? There we go. It was the handbag.

:58:51. > :58:53.That's it. The one o'clock News is starting on BBC One. The daily

:58:54. > :58:58.politics will be back at noon tomorrow with all the big political

:58:59. > :59:03.stories of the day. Probably, tax again. Goodbye.