:00:37. > :00:38.Afternoon, folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:39. > :00:41.There's a new craze sweeping Westminster.
:00:42. > :00:44.Senior politicians are queuing up to join in.
:00:45. > :00:46.Forget kissing babies and tweeting about your visit
:00:47. > :00:53.Yes, publishing tax returns is the new thing!
:00:54. > :00:56.David Cameron has become the first Prime Minister to publish details
:00:57. > :00:59.He was closely followed by Scotland's First Minister,
:01:00. > :01:01.and other senior politicians are expected to follow
:01:02. > :01:10.Following the leak of documents from a Panamanian law firm
:01:11. > :01:12.the Government will announce new measures to tackle tax evasion.
:01:13. > :01:18.Labour says a full public inquiry is needed.
:01:19. > :01:22.Tata Steel is to begin the formal process of selling its UK plants -
:01:23. > :01:26.thousands of jobs are still at risk if a deal can't be found.
:01:27. > :01:29.However, a City investment firm has agreed to buy the steel
:01:30. > :01:37.A quarter of British Muslims support the idea of Sharia law being given
:01:38. > :01:51.And with us for the whole of the programme today,
:01:52. > :01:53.the Labour MP Jess Phillips and the Conservative MP
:01:54. > :02:00.Jeremy and George are likely to in the next few days.
:02:01. > :02:04.John did it a while ago, as did Zac and Sadiq.
:02:05. > :02:06.Nigel, however, says it's a big no no.
:02:07. > :02:15.Yes, it's the new craze in Westminster, it seems.
:02:16. > :02:18.It's been a "taxing" few days for the Prime Minister - boom boom -
:02:19. > :02:20.after details emerged of his late father's offshore investments
:02:21. > :02:22.following the leak of the so-called Panama Papers.
:02:23. > :02:25.Yesterday Mr Cameron became the first British Prime Minister
:02:26. > :02:28.to publicise his tax affairs in such detail.
:02:29. > :02:32.So now the spotlight inevitably moves onto other politicians,
:02:33. > :02:35.speaking on the Westminster Hour last night UKIP leader Nigel Farage
:02:36. > :02:41.I worry where we are going with this.
:02:42. > :02:44.If we want to have party leaders publish their tax returns then
:02:45. > :02:52.Presumably then all councillors must do so, Bishops of course must do so,
:02:53. > :03:01.Actually, I think in this country what people earn is regarded
:03:02. > :03:09.However speaking this morning the Conservative backbencher
:03:10. > :03:14.Jacob Rees Mogg argued that such transparency was inevitable.
:03:15. > :03:17.My personal position is that I think MPs are going to have
:03:18. > :03:19.to publish their tax returns within the next few years.
:03:20. > :03:22.I can't say I'm enthusiastic about this.
:03:23. > :03:25.But it is the mood of the country and politicians need
:03:26. > :03:36.So that will lead me in due course, I expect, to publish my tax return.
:03:37. > :03:39.Joining me now is the Conservative MP Charles Walker and the SNP's
:03:40. > :03:49.Was the Prime Minister right to publish the headlines of his tax
:03:50. > :03:52.returns? He made a decision about personally I would not have done
:03:53. > :03:58.that but I'm never going to be Prime Minister. Why would you not have
:03:59. > :04:02.done it. People need private space. The Prime Minister has not done
:04:03. > :04:05.anything wrong, he followed the law and paid his taxes and there was a
:04:06. > :04:09.principle of privacy in this country around tax matters as we do other
:04:10. > :04:15.matters. Today it is his tax affairs, why not his medical records
:04:16. > :04:19.next. They publish those in the United States if you run for
:04:20. > :04:22.president. Could not be said that we know that he followed the law
:04:23. > :04:29.because he has now published his tax returns and that is not now in
:04:30. > :04:34.doubt. The truth is we are never going to restore public confidence
:04:35. > :04:38.in our politicians because the media ultimately Wilmot that the public
:04:39. > :04:44.have confidence in us. So we have this great media confection and we
:04:45. > :04:48.move on then to the next great media confection. If you want the public
:04:49. > :04:55.to believe that the Prime Minister is a crook, and that is what you are
:04:56. > :04:59.peddling, that he is a crook. You used that word, not me at all. If
:05:00. > :05:04.you go back on the tape when you finish with this programme I said it
:05:05. > :05:08.was because of the publication of his tax returns that we know he has
:05:09. > :05:16.not done anything illegal. For the last five days the media has
:05:17. > :05:21.peddled... Take that word back that I accused the Prime Minister of
:05:22. > :05:26.being a crook. You are big enough to take it. Not if it is not true. The
:05:27. > :05:29.truth is the media has spelt the line for the last five days to
:05:30. > :05:33.suggest our Prime Minister is a crook. If that is not the case then
:05:34. > :05:37.why are we having this debate. The Prime Minister has done nothing
:05:38. > :05:40.wrong and it is objectionable to see a good man reduced to having to
:05:41. > :05:46.defend his father in the way he has had to do. I do not think the Prime
:05:47. > :05:50.Minister has done anything wrong in the legal sense at all. What has
:05:51. > :05:58.happened, he did benefit from an offshore trust, and he admitted
:05:59. > :06:04.that. It is shown a bright light, into a dark corner. That is the
:06:05. > :06:08.issue of business fund trust established in overseas territories
:06:09. > :06:12.and administered by Panamanian lawyers. We will talk about this
:06:13. > :06:18.issue in a moment. I'm talking about tax returns at the moment. I will
:06:19. > :06:23.come to that. This is the key thing, I think that people in power and
:06:24. > :06:26.especially in the Cabinet, in government, responsible for setting
:06:27. > :06:30.tax policy, must be scrupulously clean and demonstrate to the public
:06:31. > :06:34.that they are not benefiting from loopholes in the tax system. I'm
:06:35. > :06:37.glad that he published them as did the First Minister. Now you have
:06:38. > :06:42.seen the headlines of the tax returns, as it clear in your mind
:06:43. > :06:50.that the Prime Minister has not benefited from those loopholes. He
:06:51. > :06:55.said he owned units in a trust, he sold bows and paid tax on the
:06:56. > :06:59.dividends. There was no capital gains tax liability and that is
:07:00. > :07:02.clear and legal. But that is not the point, the point is the offshore
:07:03. > :07:09.nature of the business which we know is abused by other people. Not by
:07:10. > :07:12.the Prime Minister. Not in this case but used by other people to hide
:07:13. > :07:17.assets. Should the rest of the Cabinet now published their tax
:07:18. > :07:20.returns? I think they should have a declaration that they had not
:07:21. > :07:27.benefited from offshore funds or offshore assets. That you should not
:07:28. > :07:34.invest in any kind of offshore, overseas investment M if it is an
:07:35. > :07:39.overseas investment, buying stocks and shares in IBM, that is one
:07:40. > :07:43.thing. But if you're investing in an institution established in an
:07:44. > :07:47.overseas territory and administered by a Panamanian law, the public have
:07:48. > :07:50.a right to ask why you're doing that instead of putting the cash into
:07:51. > :07:55.stocks and shares through your local stockbroker. This is difficult, my
:07:56. > :08:00.understanding is Minister people through their pensions, have
:08:01. > :08:05.investments in offshore funds. I do not know then where it ends.
:08:06. > :08:11.Personally I hope the Cabinet does not start to publish their tax
:08:12. > :08:13.returns because where it will end up inevitably is that all our
:08:14. > :08:19.constituents will have to publish their tax returns. And I hope that
:08:20. > :08:24.that is not the case. So where should it stop? I said the people
:08:25. > :08:29.responsible for determining tax policy, effectively the government,
:08:30. > :08:33.should publish, the Cabinet. I suspect that other MPs will want to
:08:34. > :08:37.and it will make dull reading to be honest. I suspect that will happen
:08:38. > :08:41.and if that provides more transparency and gives a bit of an
:08:42. > :08:47.-- confidence and encouragement to people at the top to do likewise,
:08:48. > :08:53.that is good. Where are you on this? There are so many people using
:08:54. > :08:58.weasel words to try to create an odour of malpractice when actually
:08:59. > :09:02.as we have established, absolutely nothing either legally or morally
:09:03. > :09:10.wrong has happened. I think it is really corrosive. I think it is
:09:11. > :09:14.really corrosive when the mood music makes out that everyone in politics
:09:15. > :09:19.or people at the top of politics are somehow dirty when British lunatics
:09:20. > :09:23.is amongst the cleanest politics in the world. So should this end with
:09:24. > :09:28.the Prime Minister, or should attend with the Cabinet publishing tax
:09:29. > :09:31.returns? I do not think the Prime Minister should have had two or
:09:32. > :09:34.should have put his tax returns into the public domain. He chose to do
:09:35. > :09:39.that and I respect his personal position but I think it is wrong.
:09:40. > :09:44.And poor Jeremy Corbyn to say everyone in public life, where was
:09:45. > :09:48.that stop, the bishops who sit in the House of Lords, senior members
:09:49. > :09:53.of the military or judiciary, the media? At what stage do we say,
:09:54. > :09:58.enough is enough. We are to take people on trust unless there is
:09:59. > :10:01.evidence to the contrary. This could be the price now but politicians are
:10:02. > :10:06.paying because of the recent collapse in trust in politicians. We
:10:07. > :10:10.all put our declarations of interest in the public domain, are expensive.
:10:11. > :10:16.I do not see a massive upturn in political trust in response to that.
:10:17. > :10:19.We could put our medical records, are inside leg measurement, all
:10:20. > :10:23.kinds of things in the public domain and that would not generate an
:10:24. > :10:28.increase in trust. You think even if every MP was to publish tax returns,
:10:29. > :10:35.it would make no difference. I fall in line with Jacob Rees-Mogg, but
:10:36. > :10:39.the public now demands that and I feel we are going to have to fall in
:10:40. > :10:42.line. I think it is a shame that we are in a position where once again
:10:43. > :10:47.politicians are seen to be untrustworthy. It is not for the
:10:48. > :10:51.sake that people will have a go at me on Twitter that I do not want
:10:52. > :10:56.this to be done but because everyday people must rely on us to make their
:10:57. > :11:00.tax laws, rely on us to do the right thing by them. If they do not trust
:11:01. > :11:04.us then we will have to literally start to give out are inside leg
:11:05. > :11:08.measurement. So should Cabinet ministers all publish their tax
:11:09. > :11:12.returns? I think I'm reticent to say they should but the public is
:11:13. > :11:17.demanding it at the moment so yes, I think we're going that way. What
:11:18. > :11:23.about my wife and children? We could move assets to them. Where does it
:11:24. > :11:27.end, will my wife then have to publish tax returns, my children,
:11:28. > :11:33.what about my mother? This is utter nonsense. One of the issues here
:11:34. > :11:39.that is overlooked, publishing tax returns, what will that really tell
:11:40. > :11:43.you. Tax returns after all are what has gone through the tax system,
:11:44. > :11:48.what has been approved by HMRC. If you have done something that you do
:11:49. > :11:53.not want people to know about, it is not likely to be on your tax return.
:11:54. > :11:56.Precisely. And the tax return is interesting in terms of
:11:57. > :12:01.transparency, but it is a declaration of no benefit from
:12:02. > :12:05.offshore trusts and fans, that aspect we are more interested in. So
:12:06. > :12:14.you do not benefit from a perceived loopholes. Why not just said that we
:12:15. > :12:18.are abiding by the law? It is one law for one person and one for
:12:19. > :12:23.everyone else. There really is not. One law is for Prime Ministers and
:12:24. > :12:26.Cabinet ministers and another set for everyone else. Just because
:12:27. > :12:35.anything David Cameron might have done was legal, it does not prevent
:12:36. > :12:42.people thinking this one law for the richest one for everyone else. What
:12:43. > :12:47.has David Cameron done wrong? I have not actually seen his tax returns,
:12:48. > :12:51.just a copy. In the years that he has been Prime Minister, it does not
:12:52. > :12:56.seem he has done anything illegal. Such weasel words, it does not seem
:12:57. > :13:00.that he has done anything illegal. That is a disgraceful thing to say
:13:01. > :13:04.and that is what I said at the start, you're trying to position the
:13:05. > :13:09.Prime Minister in a very unpleasant and underhand way. Not just you
:13:10. > :13:19.personally but a lot of people, as being dishonest. It is disgraceful.
:13:20. > :13:23.Hold on. Just to get it clear, in your view from a perusal of what we
:13:24. > :13:27.know of the last six years of his tax returns, he has done nothing
:13:28. > :13:33.wrong. Nothing illegal. So what has he done wrong M I cannot say. You
:13:34. > :13:37.describe the behaviour of his late father is utterly disgusting. What
:13:38. > :13:42.was utterly disgusting dash-mac it is utterly disgusting when people
:13:43. > :13:46.live in a society and do not want to pay all that is their fair share in
:13:47. > :13:51.any wealth or earnings that they have in this country. My parents did
:13:52. > :13:54.not have a little postbox in Panama where they sent their savings, they
:13:55. > :14:01.put them in the UK and spent them here. But any dividends paid from
:14:02. > :14:05.the fund, whether offshore or not, and any capital gains made from the
:14:06. > :14:11.fund, whether offshore or not, were taxed in the UK. Had that money
:14:12. > :14:16.being invested to UK stockbrokers, would have been more tax liability?
:14:17. > :14:21.An interesting question, but if he paid tax on all the dividends and if
:14:22. > :14:26.he paid capital gains tax on any capital gains made from the fund
:14:27. > :14:30.committee chair, was relinquished, what does disgusting about that? He
:14:31. > :14:36.lives in the UK, he uses the systems here that everyone else uses. My
:14:37. > :14:41.late mother was dying and was offered an inheritance tax stitch
:14:42. > :14:45.up, her account and said to her if you give it to so-and-so and she
:14:46. > :14:53.said I'm going to give it to the hospital treating me for cancer.
:14:54. > :14:57.Just finally, if he paid tax on everything that he was meant to,
:14:58. > :15:03.because the money was repatriated here and subject to British tax,
:15:04. > :15:06.what was disgusting? What is disgusting is living in this country
:15:07. > :15:11.and having your business in a fake post box in a different country. So
:15:12. > :15:19.you do not have to pay UK tax. But he did pay UK tax, we're told. Had
:15:20. > :15:23.it been here, but he had to pay more tax, if he had invested it in
:15:24. > :15:28.stockbrokers here would he have had to pay more tax? I'm not sure what
:15:29. > :15:34.the final word is. Then you will not need it! We have a new culture of
:15:35. > :15:38.bullying in this country. And this is not going to go away. The Foreign
:15:39. > :15:43.Minister will publish his tax returns, others will have to, it
:15:44. > :15:48.will be medical records next and go on and on. What politicians do one
:15:49. > :15:49.day I suspect our constituents will be following on pretty closely
:15:50. > :16:00.afterwards. This afternoon, David Cameron
:16:01. > :16:02.is expected to tell MPs that his Government "has done more
:16:03. > :16:05.than any other to take action against corruption in all its forms"
:16:06. > :16:08.but they "will go further". As the Prime Minister
:16:09. > :16:10.published his tax returns, Labour unveiled a 10-point plan
:16:11. > :16:12.to tackle tax avoidance, including a call for an immediate
:16:13. > :16:15.public inquiry and a register This afternoon, David Cameron
:16:16. > :16:19.is expected to announce criminal penalties on companies whose
:16:20. > :16:21.employees encourage This is in addition to plans
:16:22. > :16:28.announced in February last year by then-Liberal Democrat
:16:29. > :16:31.minister Danny Alexander - for a new offence for firms that
:16:32. > :16:36.fail to prevent tax evasion. That new offence is expected
:16:37. > :16:41.to become law later this year. Mr Cameron has already announced
:16:42. > :16:44.a new task force led by HM Revenue and Customs and the National Crime
:16:45. > :16:51.Agency to investigate allegations of tax-dodging and money laundering,
:16:52. > :16:56.raised by the so-called The government has also repeated
:16:57. > :17:02.commitments to introduce over 25 further measures in this Parliament
:17:03. > :17:07.to tackle tax avoidance and evasion, raising - they claim -
:17:08. > :17:13.a further ?16 billion in tax. In 2013 the then coalition
:17:14. > :17:19.government introduced a General Anti-Abuse Rule
:17:20. > :17:25.which outlawed reducing tax by legal means, where those arrangements are
:17:26. > :17:31.put in place purely to reduce tax. And last April the government's
:17:32. > :17:36.Diverted Profits Tax - the so-called "Google Tax" -
:17:37. > :17:40.came into force, aimed at big businesses who operate in the UK
:17:41. > :17:42.but avoid tax by trading In January, George Osborne claimed
:17:43. > :17:53.this tax resulted in Google agreeing to pay ?130 million in backdated
:17:54. > :18:06.tax, but it later emerged Has this government done more on tax
:18:07. > :18:13.evasion than any other previous government? There has been a number
:18:14. > :18:20.of steps. Some of the measures taken are good. Some of the stuff that has
:18:21. > :18:27.been announced is also helpful. I'm concerned about getting to the point
:18:28. > :18:31.where beneficial ownership of these businesses is clear to the
:18:32. > :18:38.authorities, not just his Mrs but also assets bought with the cash.
:18:39. > :18:42.There are 20, 30, ?40 million properties in Mayfair bought in cash
:18:43. > :18:46.without a mortgage wrapped up in corporate envelopes, who is the
:18:47. > :18:50.owner? Where do they get the money from? It is not just about tax
:18:51. > :18:58.avoidance but about identifying criminality. Those are parked in
:18:59. > :19:04.assets in the middle of London. Which they cannot move unless you
:19:05. > :19:08.want to rip up the house? Yes but they can park the money there
:19:09. > :19:14.safely. How does the British government find it out and what does
:19:15. > :19:18.it do about it? The reason that the Panama papers have very few American
:19:19. > :19:22.names is because of an agreement between Panama and the United
:19:23. > :19:25.States. Let's make sure that bilateral agreements are in place so
:19:26. > :19:30.we have access to the correct data from the correct places, identify
:19:31. > :19:36.the genuine beneficial owners and if they are due to be taxed, make sure
:19:37. > :19:45.the tax due is paid. What do you say? I think that making offshore
:19:46. > :19:53.tax havens like Panama more transparent is no bad thing. It is
:19:54. > :19:57.very dangerous to conflate very different terms. Tax avoidance and
:19:58. > :20:04.tax evasion. Tax evasion is illegal activity. We absolutely, the
:20:05. > :20:10.government in this Parliament and previous ones, have been cracking
:20:11. > :20:16.down in previous ones. The response to tax avoidance, if you do find it
:20:17. > :20:22.morally Republicans... As David Cameron did with Jimmy Carter. You
:20:23. > :20:26.change the rules, if they are acting in their way that society thinks is
:20:27. > :20:34.wrong, the response is to change the laws. That's definitely true. Tax
:20:35. > :20:43.evasion is clear-cut. Tax avoidance, there is a clear... There is a
:20:44. > :20:48.spectrum. At one end, tax avoidance that politicians encourage, like
:20:49. > :20:52.putting money in an ice all taking out a pension. There is really
:20:53. > :21:03.aggressive tax avoidance at the other end, like the Jimmy Carter
:21:04. > :21:12.case, and in between there are a whole range of investment funds,
:21:13. > :21:17.putting up windows, all the rest of it, if you make it so, located that
:21:18. > :21:22.it is a grey area that is quite difficult to define. It is exactly
:21:23. > :21:27.right. For the average people, the little people as some people have
:21:28. > :21:33.called them today, I wouldn't advise it, it is a company... As far as
:21:34. > :21:42.most people are concerned, most people pay their tax PAYE. I don't
:21:43. > :21:47.have a tax return. You can look at my P 60. The combination is that
:21:48. > :21:51.sunlight can't get in and we can't have transparency. What is really
:21:52. > :21:56.interesting about what James said is the difference between evasion and
:21:57. > :22:03.avoiding tax. They are completely different and they are complicated
:22:04. > :22:07.and difficult to understand. We must make that different. I want him to
:22:08. > :22:10.promise that we will do the same when we talk about people on
:22:11. > :22:17.benefits which are also competitive. Housing benefits, for instance. I
:22:18. > :22:21.have sat in debates where people misunderstand their own policy. I
:22:22. > :22:26.think it is very consistent, simplifying these financial
:22:27. > :22:33.arrangements, Iain Duncan Smith announced one of their driving
:22:34. > :22:36.ambitions to dramatically simplify the welfare system so that people
:22:37. > :22:42.can actually understand what they are entitled to. It is absolutely
:22:43. > :22:47.right that we simplify the tax system so people understand...
:22:48. > :22:53.Politicians have said that almost every month in the studio. Gordon
:22:54. > :22:59.Brown doubled the size of the tax guide and your Chancellor has added
:23:00. > :23:03.another 30% to it. Mr Brown was in for ten years, your man has been in
:23:04. > :23:13.for six. The more you talk about it, the gig at the tax guide you make. I
:23:14. > :23:22.like taxes to be necessary... I like them to be paid. I like them to be
:23:23. > :23:27.simple as possible. You went to this often, Jess and I are going to agree
:23:28. > :23:34.on this. They are meant to be paid. We may not have much control over
:23:35. > :23:41.Panama, that may be done through the OECD or on a more global scale, but
:23:42. > :23:46.we have control over what are known as Crown dependencies. To have the
:23:47. > :23:52.companies registered in Panama but actually based in the petition
:23:53. > :24:01.urging I and others. What should we do about the Crown dependencies? --
:24:02. > :24:08.in the British Virgin Islands. It should be pretty straightforward,
:24:09. > :24:11.people will find it straightforward, to have a register of the beneficial
:24:12. > :24:18.owners of businesses registered in those territories. As a starting
:24:19. > :24:22.point. Before we even get to Panama and the other countries where law
:24:23. > :24:27.firms provide these services. As a starting point. If British
:24:28. > :24:32.dependencies have a register of beneficial interests in their own
:24:33. > :24:37.areas, we will be able to see, I suspect, very quickly indeed and if
:24:38. > :24:41.we simply follow the money thereafter, the UK Treasury and
:24:42. > :24:47.other Exchequers and tax authorities will find a lot of income that at
:24:48. > :24:50.the moment is hidden and untaxed. If the British government was to do
:24:51. > :24:55.that, others have suggested it, given that you would have two flag
:24:56. > :25:04.it up, what would be to stop all these companies relocated? This is
:25:05. > :25:09.not a UK problem. The figures heard at the weekend were in the region of
:25:10. > :25:14.21 trillion of cash around the world part in what are known as offshore
:25:15. > :25:20.havens. Every Advantest Chrissie in the world once it tax dollars to pay
:25:21. > :25:24.for public services. I think there would be support from every advanced
:25:25. > :25:30.economy for this sort of action. So it needs a global action? Yes.
:25:31. > :25:37.A new statue of Baroness Thatcher has been built and was set to be
:25:38. > :25:45.the sculpture has been blocked by the former PM's daughter Carol.
:25:46. > :25:49.Was it A) Because it wasn't made of iron?
:25:50. > :25:54.Or D) She wasn't holding her handbag?
:25:55. > :25:57.At the end of the show James and Jess will give
:25:58. > :26:19.news for the steel industry. Just before we came on air it has been
:26:20. > :26:28.agreed to sell Tata's steelworks in Scunthorpe. Joining us is business
:26:29. > :26:29.editor Simon Jack. Tell others about Scunthorpe and what are they going
:26:30. > :26:42.to do with it? Good News in an otherwise bleak time
:26:43. > :26:51.for the steel industry. A company that specialised in turnaround
:26:52. > :26:55.failing businesses have bought it and will rename it to British Steel.
:26:56. > :27:02.I imagine everyone will be high-fiving everybody. We will hear
:27:03. > :27:06.from Sajid Javid later today. It should be said, union members are
:27:07. > :27:10.still to vote on pay and pension changes that would see a 3% pay cut
:27:11. > :27:17.and changes to pension benefits in return for a lifeline for over 4000
:27:18. > :27:22.jobs, surely, they will get that support. But this is not the bit
:27:23. > :27:26.that includes Port Talbot in South Wales. There are 10,000 Tata
:27:27. > :27:32.employees around the country whose future remains uncertain. They are
:27:33. > :27:36.going to launch an official sales process for that. There have been
:27:37. > :27:39.tentative signs of interest but the restructuring deal you would need to
:27:40. > :27:44.get that done is much more severe than the one for this and the
:27:45. > :27:50.crucial element is time. It took nine months to get this deal done.
:27:51. > :27:53.Whether the Tata board can sit tight for months when they are losing
:27:54. > :28:00.millions of week is very much unclear. In the context, Scunthorpe
:28:01. > :28:05.seems good news, not great but in the context of bad news for the
:28:06. > :28:11.steel industry. Let's move on to Port Talbot. Is there a preferred
:28:12. > :28:19.buyer? Is there a likely candidate in the frame? Liberty House group
:28:20. > :28:25.and its chairman Sanjiv Gupta have come forward as a potential saviour.
:28:26. > :28:30.This is not the one that the faithful want to hear. This is a
:28:31. > :28:34.radical restructure of the plant at Port Talbot, getting rid of the
:28:35. > :28:38.blast furnace and replacing it with an industry that is less intensive
:28:39. > :28:43.and lest people intensive. You would need massive support and retraining.
:28:44. > :28:47.Whether that can be done when Tata have said that they want a deal done
:28:48. > :28:51.in a time bound way. I will be talking to them later today to find
:28:52. > :28:57.out what they mean by that. They think they need to do a deal in
:28:58. > :29:00.weeks, it will take months. Whether they have the patience to do that
:29:01. > :29:06.will be unclear. There are many more jobs at stake there. To summarise,
:29:07. > :29:10.as things stand, it would be hard to say that there is light at the end
:29:11. > :29:13.of the tunnel for Port Talbot? There will be people who would come
:29:14. > :29:19.forward to buy bits and pieces of the remaining Tata operation. There
:29:20. > :29:24.have been expressions of interests from Germany, from liberty group.
:29:25. > :29:31.People might want to buy it piecemeal. The idea of it staying
:29:32. > :29:35.and being sold in its current form is a little far-fetched at the
:29:36. > :29:38.moment. We will let you get on. A busy day for you.
:29:39. > :29:40.Joining me now is Roy Rickhuss - General Secretary of
:29:41. > :29:42.the Community Union which represent around a half
:29:43. > :29:55.You're going to see the Business Secretary Sajid Javid this
:29:56. > :30:02.afternoon. He is attending a meeting and we will be in attendance. That
:30:03. > :30:06.is why you are in London? I'm based in London but that is why I'm here.
:30:07. > :30:10.What would you like him to stay but he went to Mumbai last week, rather
:30:11. > :30:15.politically. We were there before and Matt representatives of the
:30:16. > :30:20.board to try to push them the turnaround plan not just for port
:30:21. > :30:24.Talbot but for the other business. We were disappointed, they chose not
:30:25. > :30:30.to support it and we are where we are. They will not go back on that
:30:31. > :30:34.position now. So the decision to sell their entire UK steel business,
:30:35. > :30:38.what is left after the news we heard this morning about Greybull Capital,
:30:39. > :30:46.we called on them to be responsible sellers. By that we mean the whole
:30:47. > :30:50.gambit, supporting the businesses, ensuring it is sold as a going
:30:51. > :30:55.concern. You would not want to be split up in a way that Simon
:30:56. > :30:59.suggested customer I'm not as pessimistic as Simon, I believe
:31:00. > :31:03.there is optimism. Looking at what happened in the last few weeks,
:31:04. > :31:06.we've started to build I think a head of steam that says the UK steel
:31:07. > :31:10.industry is not the basket that everyone makes it out to be. Not
:31:11. > :31:16.just good news today we're hearing, last week we also saw the sale of
:31:17. > :31:21.the two Scottish plants and we should not underestimate that
:31:22. > :31:27.achievement. That means that we can bring production back to Scotland,
:31:28. > :31:34.which was... But very small. About 400 jobs in total and then the
:31:35. > :31:38.supply chain. But it is the principal. Simon explain the
:31:39. > :31:41.difficulties of selling the business intact. And the timing
:31:42. > :31:47.considerations as well. What would you like the government to do to
:31:48. > :31:54.overcome these hurdles to assail customer that is the same as we
:31:55. > :31:56.passed from the government and asked Tata, to be responsible and if needs
:31:57. > :31:59.be the government may need to support the business through the
:32:00. > :32:04.process. Through the transition period. With that the temporary
:32:05. > :32:13.nationalisation in your view? That could be an option, I would not take
:32:14. > :32:15.any option off the table. I would refer to positive government
:32:16. > :32:18.intervention and that is what we called for all along. If the
:32:19. > :32:22.government can see the position where a buyer is in place, there has
:32:23. > :32:27.been expressions of interest, we need to get from that position to a
:32:28. > :32:31.successful conclusion and why should the government not support that
:32:32. > :32:34.process. I think there are signs coming out of government that there
:32:35. > :32:38.are more prepared now to consider that because obviously they hit are
:32:39. > :32:43.finally waking up to the point that this is a significant, fundamental
:32:44. > :32:48.industry to our country. You cannot have a successful and affection
:32:49. > :32:53.industry without a successful steel industry. If you were a prospective
:32:54. > :33:00.buyer or for example Tata, would you not be likely to have some have
:33:01. > :33:04.dashed to tough conditions for the government and say, you need to do
:33:05. > :33:08.something about energy prices for heavy energy intensive businesses,
:33:09. > :33:15.you need to do something about business rates, as well. And you
:33:16. > :33:21.need to do more about Chinese steel dumping in the EU. Would you not be
:33:22. > :33:26.likely to ask the government to do something on all of those fronts as
:33:27. > :33:29.a condition of sale? I do not know about condition of sale but they
:33:30. > :33:32.should do them anyway. We have been campaigning not just for a few
:33:33. > :33:37.months but for years on these issues. My union in particular
:33:38. > :33:44.helped working with the UK steel Association to put those demands
:33:45. > :33:48.together. Those demands went in front of government and I get
:33:49. > :33:50.frustrated because sometimes you hear men -- government minister
:33:51. > :33:54.saying we have done that but they have not. They made a start, I will
:33:55. > :33:59.give them that, on some of these issues. But they have not resolved
:34:00. > :34:04.to the industry's satisfaction, the issues you have raised. So anyone
:34:05. > :34:09.looking to invest in the UK steel industry absolutely will need
:34:10. > :34:13.confidence from the government that they will act on those issues. And
:34:14. > :34:18.we have not yet have that confidence from the government. They have been
:34:19. > :34:23.slow to move on energy prices, the energy costs for Tata are twice as
:34:24. > :34:30.high as those of Germany, business rates, the Chancellor did nothing
:34:31. > :34:35.about that in the budget. And on dumping we have barely managed 13%
:34:36. > :34:44.tariff when the Americans managed 266%. The government has been, and
:34:45. > :34:48.I'm pleased at the movement that has been made has been recognised by
:34:49. > :34:51.people in the industry and I understand from the steel industry
:34:52. > :34:57.point of view, they would like to have seen that go further and go
:34:58. > :35:00.faster. It is worth remembering we have been opposed over and over
:35:01. > :35:05.again for measures to bring about a reduction in energy costs because I
:35:06. > :35:09.think sometimes people look at these things in isolation. They think of
:35:10. > :35:15.energy policy and do not think of the implication for key British
:35:16. > :35:18.businesses. You have had six years to know the impact it has on heavy
:35:19. > :35:23.energy intensive businesses in the country and for six years, you
:35:24. > :35:29.inherited that from the last Labour government, you did not inherited,
:35:30. > :35:32.but then there was the carbon floor price, but you presided over energy
:35:33. > :35:36.costs for companies like Tata that are twice as expensive as those of
:35:37. > :35:40.Germany. The government is pushing in the right direction, that has
:35:41. > :35:45.been recognised. Like a lot of people I want to see that continue.
:35:46. > :35:51.And I think that we do need some kind of questions asked about the
:35:52. > :35:56.implications of energy policies on British businesses. It may be too
:35:57. > :35:59.late to ask questions, thousands of jobs are at stake. The French,
:36:00. > :36:05.Italians and Germans have been pushing to get road of, it is an
:36:06. > :36:10.arcane issue but known as the lesser duty rule which stops the European
:36:11. > :36:14.Union putting up really penal rates even in the face of dumping at which
:36:15. > :36:22.the Americans have been able to do. The British Government has opposed
:36:23. > :36:25.this, why? You would have to ask a government minister for their
:36:26. > :36:32.perspective. Chance would be a nice thing! My personal position, and
:36:33. > :36:41.this is a personal position, I'm not a great believer in trade tariffs.
:36:42. > :36:45.Even for dumping? I want to see the British steel industry successful.
:36:46. > :36:51.We already had talk about how it might adapt to be successful for the
:36:52. > :36:56.future. But in imposing tariffs, it does not ring down the cost of
:36:57. > :37:01.British Steel. The purpose of these kind of tariffs... People in the
:37:02. > :37:08.manufacturing industry are already scared about the cost of production
:37:09. > :37:13.and would be horrified... You cannot build an industry on the basis of
:37:14. > :37:19.dumped steel for a couple of years. In the past couple of years China
:37:20. > :37:24.has started to dumped steel and that is an easy definition, selling at
:37:25. > :37:27.below cost. Are you telling viewers this morning that even when they are
:37:28. > :37:35.clearly selling below cost, dumping, that they should not be penal
:37:36. > :37:41.tariffs? Tariffs pushed the cost of raw materials up, they do not bring
:37:42. > :37:45.the cost of other alternatives down. That was hit British manufacturing.
:37:46. > :37:50.You answered the question. I believe that tariffs are necessary and it
:37:51. > :37:57.seems to be the government has been found wanting and what their wanting
:37:58. > :38:01.is a hand in China pocket. Unfortunately British workers are
:38:02. > :38:05.paying the price. We have got to commit to British Steel through
:38:06. > :38:10.legislation, through the budget, and it seems to me it was only when the
:38:11. > :38:16.job of Sajid Javid was on the line that anyone cared. Come back to see
:38:17. > :38:20.it in a couple of months, will be see a smile on your face? I really
:38:21. > :38:26.believe so. I have every confidence in the industry. I believe that are
:38:27. > :38:29.still workers are the best in the world and I believe that we have
:38:30. > :38:35.never once asked for charity. We do not want charity. What we want is a
:38:36. > :38:42.fair and level playing field. And I hear this about putting on tariffs,
:38:43. > :38:46.pushing prices up, that was not always the case. Leading up to 2008
:38:47. > :38:49.the steel industry was a good place to be, everyone was making money,
:38:50. > :38:54.there was a lot of successful businesses. And still prices were
:38:55. > :38:58.higher than than they had ever been, you did not get this call from
:38:59. > :39:04.people saying we must lower still prices or we cannot make money. I
:39:05. > :39:05.will have a smile on my face. I hope you will come back and see us. Thank
:39:06. > :39:19.you. plenty happened over the recess and
:39:20. > :39:20.plenty more coming up to keep us all busy.
:39:21. > :39:22.Today the government starts sending its EU leaflet
:39:23. > :39:30.Leave campaigners are expected to press in the Commons for changes
:39:31. > :39:34.to the Finance Bill to secure an additional ?9 million in funding
:39:35. > :39:37.to compensate for the amount spent on the Government leaflet.
:39:38. > :39:40.While in the House of Lords peers are poised to force
:39:41. > :39:43.changes as the Housing Bill begins its report stages.
:39:44. > :39:45.Tomorrow, the new Work and Pensions Secretary,
:39:46. > :39:48.Stephen Crabb, delivers his first major speech since taking
:39:49. > :39:55.On Wednesday David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn square up
:39:56. > :39:57.in the House of Commons for their first PMQs
:39:58. > :40:06.Thursday marks the deadline for the Electoral Commission
:40:07. > :40:09.to make its final decision on the official designation of lead
:40:10. > :40:18.campaigners for each outcome at the EU referendum.
:40:19. > :40:20.And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is expected to make a major
:40:21. > :40:32.And on Friday, the official regulated period for
:40:33. > :40:43.With all be poring over those rules to make sure we do not end up the
:40:44. > :40:44.wrong side of the Electoral Commission.
:40:45. > :40:46.We're joined now by Harry Cole of the Sun
:40:47. > :40:50.and Rowena Mason from the Guardian from College Green.
:40:51. > :40:58.What is the latest on tax returns, is the chance now going to give us
:40:59. > :41:02.tax return? We are seeing more of the joined up thinking from the
:41:03. > :41:07.government now that we were treated to last week. This morning if you
:41:08. > :41:10.woke up to the headlines, we were getting the tax return from George
:41:11. > :41:13.Osborne and then suddenly, we might not. And now the Prime Ministers
:41:14. > :41:18.ordered George Osborne to publish those so I think we will get them.
:41:19. > :41:22.It would be unfortunate if Jeremy Corbyn got to the summit of the
:41:23. > :41:25.first rail kit he had on the government and managed to shoot
:41:26. > :41:29.himself in the foot. But six days ago he said he was happy to publish
:41:30. > :41:33.his tax return and since then it is, he will publish it soon. There is
:41:34. > :41:35.speculation that if he has an accountant, they are having
:41:36. > :41:40.difficulty putting together the paperwork. My advice to him would be
:41:41. > :41:46.to get it right. Take the absolute shoe in he will get in Parliament if
:41:47. > :41:51.he has not publish it at the time he stands up and has a go at David
:41:52. > :41:57.Cameron. But if it is published and a slightly inaccurate I think that
:41:58. > :42:01.would be terrible and Woodley to questions over how he could run the
:42:02. > :42:07.country. Rowena, your newspaper has been playing a pivotal role in the
:42:08. > :42:12.Parma papers. What are you hearing on tax returns? The line this
:42:13. > :42:15.morning from the lobby briefing was that not only does the promise to
:42:16. > :42:19.think it is right that he publishes his own tax returns, but he wants
:42:20. > :42:23.the chance and respective candidates for both of those jobs to publish
:42:24. > :42:32.more information about their tax as well. What he is doing is drawing a
:42:33. > :42:35.clear line to stop MPs potentially having to release their tax returns,
:42:36. > :42:42.saying it is a matter for them. But anyone looking after the nation 's
:42:43. > :42:45.finances, and the opposition people in those roles, they should provide
:42:46. > :42:52.more information as David Cameron has done. The EU leaflet dropping on
:42:53. > :42:57.a doorstep near you soon. How angry are at the Tory Eurosceptics about
:42:58. > :43:01.this? The blowhard or already blowing pretty hard in the
:43:02. > :43:06.referendum campaign and this has poured petrol on the fire. We knew
:43:07. > :43:09.that there would be this kind of stunt, this leaflet was in the
:43:10. > :43:14.legislation that it was possible. But the way he went about it,
:43:15. > :43:19.sneaking about during an ongoing tax row, they're angry. And all kinds of
:43:20. > :43:26.hints that we might go back to the days of Maastricht where rebels were
:43:27. > :43:29.able to kind of grind the government business down to a halt. But
:43:30. > :43:33.government business is pretty much as anyway so I am not quite sure
:43:34. > :43:38.what they're planning. We have got the Electoral Commission having to
:43:39. > :43:43.choose who gets the money, who gets the official designation. One
:43:44. > :43:47.official leave and one official remain campaign. The interest is in
:43:48. > :43:53.who gets the league campaign. Remind us what the choice is and who you
:43:54. > :43:58.think will get it? I think most rags have to be on Vote Leave, the
:43:59. > :44:04.campaign being run by Matthew Elliott and Dominic Cummings. The
:44:05. > :44:08.politics associated with that, the Tory babies, people like Michael go.
:44:09. > :44:16.The other campaign is also interesting, it has close links to
:44:17. > :44:24.Ukip. Called grassroots out. Connected to the Ukip donor Arron
:44:25. > :44:30.Banks. It is very impressive how you have got all this in your mind! The
:44:31. > :44:33.thing about grassroots out, they help a lot of rallies around the
:44:34. > :44:37.country and they have a lot of the Ukip supporters behind them. One of
:44:38. > :44:39.the interesting things about the designation, it looks that
:44:40. > :44:42.grassroots support and that is one element that would be in their
:44:43. > :44:53.favour. But I still think it will be Vote Leave. Also things like
:44:54. > :45:01.financial probity and who the backers are. So no Panama account!
:45:02. > :45:07.Arron Banks denied he was anything to do with the Panama papers today.
:45:08. > :45:14.He is not Vote Leave! It is all one big mess. And finally, is Jeremy
:45:15. > :45:23.Corbyn speech on the EU, are we going to hear the background strains
:45:24. > :45:26.of the EU flag fluttering? Jeremy Corbyn is in favour of staying in
:45:27. > :45:31.the EU and made that clear all along. Not that clear! Some people
:45:32. > :45:34.would like him to show more passion and fire about wanting to stay in.
:45:35. > :45:41.We have been promised a very enthusiastic speech. We do not know
:45:42. > :45:45.where he's doing that but it will be remarkable to watch lifelong
:45:46. > :45:48.Eurosceptic wrap themselves in the blue and yellow flag. Whether he can
:45:49. > :45:53.do that convincingly and will take half his Shadow Cabinet with him,
:45:54. > :46:03.Diane Abbott back in the day, all strong Eurosceptics.
:46:04. > :46:05.The use of Sharia, or Islamic religious law,
:46:06. > :46:09.is growing in Britain, with thousands of Muslims using it
:46:10. > :46:17.to help resolve family and financial disputes each year.
:46:18. > :46:27.A new survey says that a quarter of UK Muslims would like to see sharia
:46:28. > :46:32.law be given more credence in British law.
:46:33. > :46:35.Their case is being taken up by crossbench peer Baroness Cox
:46:36. > :46:38.in her Private Member's Bill, aiming to make it illegal for Sharia
:46:39. > :46:40.courts to act as legal courts in arbitration cases.
:46:41. > :46:42.The government, however, doesn't think this is necessary.
:46:43. > :46:45.So we asked Baroness Cox to set out her case and take a turn
:46:46. > :46:50.In Britain, for 800 years, since the signing of Magna Carta,
:46:51. > :46:54.we have had a fundamental commitment to the principle of one law
:46:55. > :46:57.for all and equality of access to that law.
:46:58. > :47:06.I believe passionately in the freedom of religion and belief.
:47:07. > :47:10.But in Britain there is now a system of sharia councils or courts
:47:11. > :47:12.which inherently discriminate against women and girls in ways that
:47:13. > :47:16.are causing a great deal of suffering.
:47:17. > :47:25.This is a moral maze which we must navigate.
:47:26. > :47:29.For example, under sharia law and man can divorce his wife just
:47:30. > :47:34.by saying "I divorce you" three times.
:47:35. > :47:36.The woman often has to pay or to fulfil other
:47:37. > :47:38.conditions which may be very difficult for her.
:47:39. > :47:47.But sharia law allows polygamy, a man can have up to four wives.
:47:48. > :47:50.And one of my Muslim women friends who is doing research
:47:51. > :47:53.into the plight of Muslim woman in the West Midlands,
:47:54. > :47:56.told me how women sometimes married into polygamous marriages
:47:57. > :47:59.without even realising there was already another
:48:00. > :48:15.I had wept with many of these Muslim women when they told me how much
:48:16. > :48:20.One lady said to me, I feel betrayed by Britain.
:48:21. > :48:23.I came here to get away from this, it is worse
:48:24. > :48:25.here than in the country I came from.
:48:26. > :48:27.Their suffering would be making our suffragettes
:48:28. > :48:35.We must not get caught in a labyrinth of inaction,
:48:36. > :48:39.because we are afraid of upsetting cultural sensitivities,
:48:40. > :48:45.It is high time that we made sure that we do uphold
:48:46. > :48:50.the principle of one law for all, of equality of access to that law,
:48:51. > :48:53.and we end the kind of discrimination that is causing
:48:54. > :49:01.so much suffering too many girls and women in our country today.
:49:02. > :49:08.We're also joined by Yasmin Khan, director of the Halo Project -
:49:09. > :49:11.a charity that helps women victims of domestic violence and forced
:49:12. > :49:29.The baroness is wanting to help the kind of women that your organisation
:49:30. > :49:35.is hoping to help. But you are opposed to that. I am accepting that
:49:36. > :49:42.there are problems within the sharia system. But if you look at the
:49:43. > :49:49.number of people who used the sharia Council, 80% of those are women. I
:49:50. > :49:54.welcome new legislation such as the criminalisation of forced marriage,
:49:55. > :49:58.introduced in 2014, we need to be very careful about understanding.
:49:59. > :50:03.There is a misconception about what this law suggests. It is very clear
:50:04. > :50:09.that the law of the land be applied and that should overrule. The law of
:50:10. > :50:15.the land should always be above sharia law? Muslims are expected to
:50:16. > :50:20.abide by the law of the land. Do we have evidence that the women are
:50:21. > :50:25.using sharia law because it is a conscious choice or because they
:50:26. > :50:29.feel that the norms and pressures in their community forced them to go
:50:30. > :50:35.that way? They have at the moment the flexibility to use both. There
:50:36. > :50:40.are laws that protect them. There are movements within the sharia
:50:41. > :50:45.councils to work progressively and modernise and regulate some systems.
:50:46. > :50:51.We should be working with them, not against them and introducing new law
:50:52. > :50:55.when it is unnecessary for stop I believe in freedom of religion and
:50:56. > :51:00.the right of women to access the kind of courts and council that they
:51:01. > :51:09.wish. It must be genuine and not through ignorance. I found that many
:51:10. > :51:14.women didn't know the options. They didn't know that an Islamic marriage
:51:15. > :51:19.wasn't legally registered in this country. They have no rights
:51:20. > :51:24.whatsoever. It was a cry from them for knowledge and a cry from the
:51:25. > :51:30.heart for them for freedom from divesting violence. This was not the
:51:31. > :51:34.context which allows policies and principles and actions that are
:51:35. > :51:39.incompatible with the values and laws of our land. Is domestic file
:51:40. > :51:49.is allowed under sharia law? It is not. -- domestic violence. We must
:51:50. > :51:57.not marginalised communities, we must work with them and understand
:51:58. > :52:03.them. Does sharia law allow for domestic violence? It allows
:52:04. > :52:15.chastisement and that is used in many cases. It is important to
:52:16. > :52:23.understand the number of and women who use sharia councils. I am not
:52:24. > :52:30.here to comment on that. You are. And I am asking you to comment. It
:52:31. > :52:38.allows freedom and it allows certainty. I'm saying that we need
:52:39. > :52:45.more dialogue to help all people, especially Muslim women. This is
:52:46. > :52:51.very interesting, isn't it? My heart sinks when a Muslim woman comes into
:52:52. > :52:57.my surgery and thinks she has rights and hands me the papers for an
:52:58. > :53:01.Islamic marriage and not a British legal marriage, my heart sinks. I
:53:02. > :53:07.have been through lots of issues regarding custody and people
:53:08. > :53:17.escaping domestic violence within the cost -- context of sharia law.
:53:18. > :53:20.We are in danger of portraying domestic violence as being more
:53:21. > :53:29.prolific in the Muslim community. That is simply not the case. It is
:53:30. > :53:38.everywhere. What is your point? If sharia law this grim and -- if
:53:39. > :53:45.sharia law discriminates against women in any way, it should be
:53:46. > :53:51.stopped. I agree that the law definitely needs to be changed and
:53:52. > :53:58.we are already working and looking at changing and reforming. That is
:53:59. > :54:03.the focus I want to look at. I am suggesting we look with local
:54:04. > :54:06.communities and see how you can modernise the councils that
:54:07. > :54:11.currently operate. This probably won't get through the Commons. Not
:54:12. > :54:13.this time. But we hope that next time it will start in the Commons.
:54:14. > :54:21.Thank you for joining me. Another months of riding high
:54:22. > :54:28.in the Republican race, last week the New York businessman
:54:29. > :54:30.lost the Wisconsin primary And things aren't looking good
:54:31. > :54:36.for the Hillary Clinton either, who also just lost to Bernie Sanders
:54:37. > :54:48.in the recent primary. I am finding it hard to keep count
:54:49. > :54:55.of the primary she has lost recently.
:54:56. > :55:00.from Bloomberg in our Washington Bureau.
:55:01. > :55:10.Is it likely that we will have a contested convention for the
:55:11. > :55:15.Republicans? It seems quite likely. We have seen that over the weekend
:55:16. > :55:20.Donald Trump has been struggling in Colorado, failing to secure a single
:55:21. > :55:25.delegate from that state. The arithmetic is getting more difficult
:55:26. > :55:31.for him to get to the 1237. He needs to secure the nomination outright
:55:32. > :55:44.before Cleveland. The last really contest and one was in 1952. There
:55:45. > :55:51.was a bit of one in 1976. 1952 in Chicago, Ike emerged. People thought
:55:52. > :55:56.it was going to be Senator Taft. I right in thinking that by the second
:55:57. > :56:02.ballot people can go whichever way they please? This is the crazy
:56:03. > :56:06.thing. Every state has different rules. You need experience to get
:56:07. > :56:11.through this. Certain delegates are an bound going in. As you said, in
:56:12. > :56:16.the first ballot most people have two vote the way their primaries and
:56:17. > :56:22.caucuses turned out but after that, if nobody can get to 1237, it is a
:56:23. > :56:25.free for all with people going for their preference and they are
:56:26. > :56:30.technically an bound. That is why you see this man-to-man delegate.
:56:31. > :56:36.Ted Cruz has an advantage in this. He is stocking the slate for each
:56:37. > :56:43.state with people who will be loyal to him. For if we get to subsequent
:56:44. > :56:52.ballots are around the world. I wasn't there in 1952... I can see
:56:53. > :56:55.that! Although Mrs Clinton has the arithmetic with her, she is losing a
:56:56. > :57:03.lot of the primaries to Bernie Sanders. He has a great fight in
:57:04. > :57:10.him. What does it tell others about her candidacy? She's not sweeping
:57:11. > :57:14.all before her. She does have a moment and then fuse jazz gap
:57:15. > :57:26.compared to the Vermont senator. He wants to use this to push home his
:57:27. > :57:34.issue, appealing to the progressive side of the party. It is to push her
:57:35. > :57:40.to see what she will do to address those issues. She is definitely
:57:41. > :57:43.showing weakness. This, for the Republicans, is something that they
:57:44. > :57:48.are going to seize upon. If she can't even beat Bernie Sanders and
:57:49. > :57:52.secure these big state, what does it say about her chances in a general
:57:53. > :57:56.election? That is what they are using this exercise for. Is there
:57:57. > :58:05.any chance that the Attorney General would take action against Mrs
:58:06. > :58:11.Clinton? President Obama address this over the weekend. He said any
:58:12. > :58:17.decision on her e-mail would be neutral. There will be no political
:58:18. > :58:23.influence to this decision. Really? That is where we are at at the time.
:58:24. > :58:28.That is what the president says. Thank you for marking our card.
:58:29. > :58:33.Before we go, why did Carol Thatcher not want the statue to go up in
:58:34. > :58:43.Parliament Square? What it was made of. The hairdo? It looked like Meryl
:58:44. > :58:50.Streep? Because of the handbag? There we go. It was the handbag.
:58:51. > :58:53.That's it. The one o'clock News is starting on BBC One. The daily
:58:54. > :58:58.politics will be back at noon tomorrow with all the big political
:58:59. > :59:03.stories of the day. Probably, tax again. Goodbye.