:00:37. > :00:40.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:41. > :00:44.There are more than 400,000 more people in work than a year ago -
:00:45. > :00:51.but are most of those new jobs going to immigrants?
:00:52. > :00:54.but will the raft of bills she announced do anything
:00:55. > :00:56.to distract from the referendum debate raging in the Conservative
:00:57. > :01:00.An Egyptair airliner with more than 60 people on board -
:01:01. > :01:02.including one Briton - goes missing en route
:01:03. > :01:06.from Paris to Cairo - we'll bring you the latest.
:01:07. > :01:16.And what happens when MPs try their hand at stand-up comedy?
:01:17. > :01:22.Unfortunately, Mr Speaker, in the medical context, PR does not stand
:01:23. > :01:25.for public relations. But is shorthand for the top of examination
:01:26. > :01:33.that involves putting on rubber gloves, applying gel and asking a
:01:34. > :01:36.man to cough! All that in the next hour
:01:37. > :01:40.and with us for the duration today - our own comic genius -
:01:41. > :01:42.the General Secretary of the Trades Union Congress -
:01:43. > :01:45.or TUC - Frances O'Grady. First this morning -
:01:46. > :01:56.more than half of the new jobs created in the UK in last years went
:01:57. > :02:01.to non-UK nationals from the EU - that's according to figures released
:02:02. > :02:06.yeasterday by the Office The ONS said that 409,000 more
:02:07. > :02:16.people are in work than a year ago The number of non-UK nationals
:02:17. > :02:19.from the EU working in the UK increased by 224,000
:02:20. > :02:26.to 2.15 million. So EU migrants made up
:02:27. > :02:28.55% of the increase The figures have been seized
:02:29. > :02:37.upon by those campaigning for us Former work and Pension Secretary,
:02:38. > :02:45.Iain Duncan Smith, said "the truth is that it
:02:46. > :02:51.is Brits on low pay - and those out of work -
:02:52. > :03:09.who feel the consequences of Let's just look at some of these
:03:10. > :03:14.figures a little bit. One in six jobs in the UK, 5.2 million out of a
:03:15. > :03:22.total workforce of jobs in the UK, 5.2 million out of a
:03:23. > :03:28.now held by people who were born abroad. Does that have no effect on
:03:29. > :03:31.wages or the prospect? Not according to the London School of economics
:03:32. > :03:37.report was published, which showed there wasn't any harm, but of course
:03:38. > :03:41.people worry about wages. But I think is the real threat to
:03:42. > :03:49.immigration, * of a Brexit. That may immigration, * of a Brexit. That may
:03:50. > :04:00.these figures to get the TUC immigration, * of a Brexit. That may
:04:01. > :04:06.created in the past year, but 80% of them want to people born outside the
:04:07. > :04:11.UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on wages or
:04:12. > :04:12.UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on need to be really
:04:13. > :04:13.UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on workers aren't the
:04:14. > :04:18.UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on they are the victims of low pay, and
:04:19. > :04:22.UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on if we going to cause the causes of
:04:23. > :04:25.low pay, we need to get tough on business greed, make sure people
:04:26. > :04:29.have a proper living wage, that under 25-year-olds aren't excluded
:04:30. > :04:33.from the higher minimum wage, that's the kind of action we need to take
:04:34. > :04:41.and we need strong trade unions in areas like construction. Quite a few
:04:42. > :04:42.and we need strong trade unions in unions are... I haven't got the
:04:43. > :04:47.figure for you. You looked at unions are... I haven't got the
:04:48. > :04:50.general counsel, you will see generations... I mean the ones who
:04:51. > :04:53.have generations... I mean the ones who
:04:54. > :04:58.years, they are not rushing to join unions. A lot of migrant workers are
:04:59. > :05:02.in the areas of the economy where we find it hard to organise because
:05:03. > :05:08.they are zero hours, high turnover, those are the root of the problems.
:05:09. > :05:14.Let me get to the root of this, there are 2.2 million EU citizens
:05:15. > :05:20.working in the UK. It has doubled in five years, it used to be just over
:05:21. > :05:26.a million. Are you arguing that that huge increase in labour coming to
:05:27. > :05:33.this country has had no effect on wages? I don't think there is any
:05:34. > :05:38.evidence to show it has, but what I would say is that there are areas in
:05:39. > :05:42.food companies, food manufacturing Company 's, construction site, hotel
:05:43. > :05:47.and catering, where some bad employers have deliberately gone
:05:48. > :05:51.over to Eastern Europe, hired labour on agency contracts and used them to
:05:52. > :05:57.undercut pay. We know that has happened. So there are 1.7 million
:05:58. > :06:05.people in this country looking for work but unable to find it. And you
:06:06. > :06:10.telling me that arise in 1 million more EU citizens coming here to work
:06:11. > :06:16.has no effect on their ability, the 1.7 million, to find work? What I'm
:06:17. > :06:20.telling you is the real issue here is how to rein in those bad
:06:21. > :06:28.employers who use workers from overseas to undercut local workers,
:06:29. > :06:31.and undermined union agreements. People have been calling that the
:06:32. > :06:35.years, I am trying to work out how given that we have just under 2
:06:36. > :06:40.million people still looking for work, unable to find it, and over 1
:06:41. > :06:44.million from the EE you alone, put aside those coming in from outside
:06:45. > :06:51.the U, which is flat lined in recent years will stop that huge influx of
:06:52. > :06:58.labour, unprecedented in our history in terms of size, has no effect on
:06:59. > :07:04.those in this country, on low pay, or without a job? The real effect is
:07:05. > :07:08.whether or not we get tough on greedy employers, whether reinvest
:07:09. > :07:14.in our infrastructure so we create decent, well-paid jobs. But that's a
:07:15. > :07:19.generalised thing. Because these numbers are huge. Let's take those
:07:20. > :07:21.who have been doing low paid jobs. Romanians and Bulgarians have been
:07:22. > :07:27.allowed to come here since 2014, unimpeded, that's when they became
:07:28. > :07:33.full members of the free movement of labour. How many have come in since
:07:34. > :07:36.then? A quarter of a million Romanians and Bulgarians now working
:07:37. > :07:43.in this country. I think we can agree that most of them are doing
:07:44. > :07:46.low paid work. Absolutely. Does that have no effect on the pressing the
:07:47. > :07:52.wages of those of our citizens already on low pay? Only if you let
:07:53. > :07:59.employers get away with it and politicians don't need let employers
:08:00. > :08:02.get away with it. But even the last Labour government took almost nobody
:08:03. > :08:07.to court for not paying the minimum wage, thinks there were about ten
:08:08. > :08:13.convictions. And this government has introduced employment tribunal fees.
:08:14. > :08:17.The latest figures aren't actually coming from Poland and Eastern
:08:18. > :08:24.Europe or even so much from Romania and Bulgarians, they're coming from
:08:25. > :08:29.what you might call the old E 15, France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and
:08:30. > :08:37.they might not be doing quite as low-wage work as some of the ones we
:08:38. > :08:42.have been talking about. 250,000 in the last year, that has no effect on
:08:43. > :08:47.our labour market? In itself that isn't the issue. I think what we
:08:48. > :08:51.have to do is, why have we got 6 million workers in Britain earning
:08:52. > :08:56.less than the living wage? Why haven't we got a decent industrial
:08:57. > :09:00.strategy? If we keep on bringing labour in in this quantity, it'll be
:09:01. > :09:03.a long while, you know enough about economics to know that if you
:09:04. > :09:08.massively increase the supply of something as we have done in recent
:09:09. > :09:11.years, the price falls. It does if you allow employers to get away with
:09:12. > :09:16.it. It's not the case in every country that immigration drags down
:09:17. > :09:21.wages, in fact the London School of economic support suggested it was in
:09:22. > :09:28.the case here either. But where has mass immigration not put down wages?
:09:29. > :09:32.In European countries, where do have strong collective-bargaining
:09:33. > :09:38.coverage, where... What is the average rate of unemployment in the
:09:39. > :09:41.Eurozone? It is 10%! Here is the basic economic. If you remove the
:09:42. > :09:46.incentive from employers to use immigrant labour is cheap labour,
:09:47. > :09:52.they stop sending people... No one has stricter labour laws than
:09:53. > :09:56.France, they have the kind of label as you would like in the TUC. It is
:09:57. > :10:04.almost impossible to hire and fire somebody. I think they are under
:10:05. > :10:07.pressure. And you know why, because 25% of young French people are
:10:08. > :10:13.unemployed and French wages have barely moved in real terms for years
:10:14. > :10:17.and yet they have had, like us, a huge increase in immigration. There
:10:18. > :10:21.isn't a shred of international evidence to suggest that by making
:10:22. > :10:29.workers weaker, you improve employment opportunities. Why are
:10:30. > :10:32.25% of young French/ unemployed? I know that French unions tell me that
:10:33. > :10:37.as in this country, people feel the balance of power has gone too far in
:10:38. > :10:42.favour of employers, and the rule solution is putting some power back
:10:43. > :10:46.in the hands of working people. If everything you say is right, if this
:10:47. > :10:52.huge rise in workers coming from elsewhere has had no effect on
:10:53. > :10:58.wages, why wages only rising by 2%? We're still suffering from the
:10:59. > :11:06.crash, the bankers crash, and the failure it was seven years ago. I
:11:07. > :11:11.know! What has happened since in terms of getting to grips with...
:11:12. > :11:16.But if this huge increase in labour has had no impact on the price of
:11:17. > :11:21.labour, rye, eight years after the crash, on wages rising by 2% all
:11:22. > :11:25.less? But it was the crash that really damaged wages and don't
:11:26. > :11:33.forget, inequality was rising long before we had the crash. You can't
:11:34. > :11:37.be happy they only rising by 2%? I am certainly not. If we don't get
:11:38. > :11:41.back the demand in the economy, we won't get the economy moving. We
:11:42. > :11:44.need money in people's pay packets to buy goods and services.
:11:45. > :11:47.And if you want more analysis of these employment figures -
:11:48. > :11:49.and what they tell us about migration, you can go
:11:50. > :12:11.The question for today is who is the most powerful person
:12:12. > :12:13.in Doncaster - well, according to the Doncaster
:12:14. > :12:39.At the end of the show will, we give you the correct answer. What is One
:12:40. > :12:43.Direction? Is that the street? There was lots of pomp
:12:44. > :12:45.and circumstance - and plenty of bills were announced
:12:46. > :12:48.but we had heard about most of what the Queen
:12:49. > :12:52.said yesterday before - and by the end of the day
:12:53. > :12:55.Conservative MPs were talking about its implications
:12:56. > :12:56.for the EU referendum. There were 21 Bills in Her Majesty's
:12:57. > :13:14.65th speech to Parliament. prisoners home on weekdays only
:13:15. > :13:22.using electronic satellite-tagging Extremism was also
:13:23. > :13:24.on the government's agenda, with a new civil order regime
:13:25. > :13:27.to restrict extremist activity in England and Wales
:13:28. > :13:30.and new powers of intervention to tackle radicalisation of children
:13:31. > :13:38.in "unregulated education settings". And the Conservative plans
:13:39. > :13:40.for a UK Bill of Rights before final proposals
:13:41. > :13:49.are brought forward. But if the Government hoped
:13:50. > :13:53.yesterday's Queen's speech would bring some respite from rows
:13:54. > :13:55.about the EU referendum, as critics were quick to point out
:13:56. > :14:05.that there was no sign And we're joined now
:14:06. > :14:17.by the Leader of the House Let's start with prisons, something
:14:18. > :14:23.you know something about in your previous role. Is allowing prisoners
:14:24. > :14:28.to live at home joined the wickets of Justice? Depends on the second
:14:29. > :14:33.stance. Where you have people who have been convicted of a sentence
:14:34. > :14:38.early on, who might get a community sentence otherwise, it is important,
:14:39. > :14:44.we know the link between offending and implement is massive, so if in
:14:45. > :14:48.some situations the court judge that an individual is better off being
:14:49. > :14:52.left to work during the week but to lose the liberty of times when they
:14:53. > :14:56.wouldn't be at work, it's a different approach and could make a
:14:57. > :15:01.difference. Different to the approach you had when you were
:15:02. > :15:03.running prisons? I pursued a strategy of providing better support
:15:04. > :15:09.for people through the gate on the left prison. Give me some examples
:15:10. > :15:14.of how you did that. He said, life must be made harder for criminals.
:15:15. > :15:19.Is this what you had in mind? What I did was a continuation of what I
:15:20. > :15:23.started in 2010. Buy into the situation where 50,000 prisoners a
:15:24. > :15:27.year were walking out after short sentences with no guidance, support,
:15:28. > :15:32.nothing, never get proper planning for release and support for 12
:15:33. > :15:33.months after. One of the things I did was double the might of
:15:34. > :15:48.education that young offenders get. You try to ban books coming into
:15:49. > :15:54.prisons. That's a myth. That never happened. Now, where trying to do
:15:55. > :15:59.more in adult prisons with people with no qualifications, mental
:16:00. > :16:04.health problems. He is continuing a process with good, innovative ideas
:16:05. > :16:08.about how we stop enormous levels of reoffending. Nearly 60% of
:16:09. > :16:15.short-term prisoners and 50% of all prisoners reoffend within a year.
:16:16. > :16:20.Who's fault is that? Some jails are not fit for purpose, Michael Gove
:16:21. > :16:26.says, that must have happened on your watch. What I did was build new
:16:27. > :16:29.prison wings, started the construction of a major new prison
:16:30. > :16:34.which Michael is going to continue with. It is turning around Victorian
:16:35. > :16:40.prisons some of which don't have space to build a workshop. Why are
:16:41. > :16:44.they overcrowded and dangerous? Let's be clear, the prison
:16:45. > :16:49.population is almost the same as it was in 2010. The number of places in
:16:50. > :16:55.the system is almost exactly the same in 2010. Identix the premise
:16:56. > :17:00.that the prison system is massively more overcrowded than it was in the
:17:01. > :17:05.past. Why did Michael Gove say they are not fit for purpose? We have
:17:06. > :17:11.seen footage inside some prisons where prisoners are running a mock.
:17:12. > :17:16.Some of our prisons are well out of date, built in Victorian times. It
:17:17. > :17:22.is not a question of overcrowding but out of date facilities. I built
:17:23. > :17:25.a big new prison in Wrexham, we are building new wings in prisons.
:17:26. > :17:32.Michael is moving ahead with nine new prisons. It is about bringing in
:17:33. > :17:36.modern facilities that are fit for purpose so we send people back onto
:17:37. > :17:42.the streets in better shape. Some other elements of the Queen 's
:17:43. > :17:47.speech. The Bill of Rights. Will there be legislation in this
:17:48. > :17:57.Parliament or is this going to be a consultation? Yermak row I'm
:17:58. > :18:02.expected -- I'm expecting legislation to come forward in the
:18:03. > :18:07.not too distant future. We have been told it will be a consultation. That
:18:08. > :18:12.usually means another few years down the line before any issue in terms
:18:13. > :18:18.of legislation is discussed. When you think the legislation will come
:18:19. > :18:23.forward? In the not too distant future, after the period of
:18:24. > :18:28.consultation. We're going to bring forward detailed proposals. We will
:18:29. > :18:33.discuss them. Then we'll move on. You're going to scrap the Human
:18:34. > :18:38.Rights Act brought in by Labour and leave the European Convention on
:18:39. > :18:42.Human Rights? It's about rebalancing the relationship between our courts
:18:43. > :18:47.and European courts. There is a number of ways you can strengthen
:18:48. > :18:53.the powers of our courts. Wait for the consultation document to see
:18:54. > :18:59.that. I'm intrigued. You can't change the supremacy of European
:19:00. > :19:02.courts unless the UK leaves the European Convention on Human Rights.
:19:03. > :19:07.Is that going to be proposed? We will have to wait and see. I am not
:19:08. > :19:12.going to announce that today. We have set out plans to change the
:19:13. > :19:16.balance between our courts and to change the nature of human rights
:19:17. > :19:21.laws in this country to make our courts stronger. You will have to
:19:22. > :19:27.wait for the detail. It would make our courts supreme over European
:19:28. > :19:39.courts? It is to make our courts more superior over. The crucial word
:19:40. > :19:43.is supreme? Are you going to make courts supreme? Millar you will have
:19:44. > :19:50.to wait for the detail. I am not going to announce them today. It is
:19:51. > :19:56.not a detail. It is fundamental. I will leave it for Michael when he
:19:57. > :20:03.announces the consultation package. Can I check something quite
:20:04. > :20:06.important. The European Court of Human Rights is written into the
:20:07. > :20:12.Scottish devolution settlement, it is part of devolution. You cannot
:20:13. > :20:15.change that. You cannot come out of it without the permission of the
:20:16. > :20:19.Scottish parliament, which I think you know as well as I, you won't
:20:20. > :20:25.get. You are just going up a cul-de-sac. What's written into the
:20:26. > :20:31.devolution settlement is the wording of the convention. That's what I
:20:32. > :20:36.just said. We have never said that we want to move away. The issue is,
:20:37. > :20:40.over a lengthy period of time, courts have moved away from where we
:20:41. > :20:46.believe human rights laws should be. Moved away from the spirit of that
:20:47. > :20:52.convention. We seek to address that. We will pick over that with a fine
:20:53. > :20:57.tooth comb. Were you disappointed that the sovereignty bill was not in
:20:58. > :21:03.the Queens speech? It has to wait until after the referendum. I hope
:21:04. > :21:10.it won't arise. I am campaigning to leave and if we do leave, the
:21:11. > :21:13.question doesn't arise. The question of the referendum has basically
:21:14. > :21:18.dominated. It was amazing how little was covered in the Queens speech in
:21:19. > :21:25.terms of its dominance in terms of the referendum. You say that but we
:21:26. > :21:32.are putting in place the remainder of our manifesto. We have delivered
:21:33. > :21:36.almost all of the manifesto. We are creating life chances for people in
:21:37. > :21:39.deprived backgrounds. There is a very strong and broad ranging
:21:40. > :21:46.package. There was no sovereignty bill. You hope it won't arise.
:21:47. > :21:52.People want to focus on higher education, skills, terrorism. We
:21:53. > :21:56.have just passed a bill on immigration in the last few weeks.
:21:57. > :22:00.It has been through the Lords and passed into law. What about
:22:01. > :22:06.homelessness? That Bill wasn't there. We have just had a Housing
:22:07. > :22:10.act passed into law in the last couple of weeks. All of this has
:22:11. > :22:16.been a shout show to couple of weeks. All of this has
:22:17. > :22:19.referendum. I don't think so. For example, the Digital economy,
:22:20. > :22:20.referendum. I don't think so. For strengthening is a crucial part of
:22:21. > :22:24.our economic future. That's in strengthening is a crucial part of
:22:25. > :22:31.there. Measures to deal with adoption and care, really important.
:22:32. > :22:37.Will be there once the referendum is over? Of course.
:22:38. > :22:39.Will be there once the referendum is for government for the next 12
:22:40. > :22:43.Will be there once the referendum is months. Of course it will carry on.
:22:44. > :22:47.We will be negotiating to leave the European Union at the same time, I
:22:48. > :22:50.hope. It is necessary to progress with a domestic programme that will
:22:51. > :22:57.benefit with a domestic programme that will
:22:58. > :22:59.European Union. Will you still be in the Cabinet after the European union
:23:00. > :23:01.if we vote to remain? the Cabinet after the European union
:23:02. > :23:11.They always say that the Cabinet after the European union
:23:12. > :23:16.it happens to be true. Can't we be honest about the sovereignty bill.
:23:17. > :23:28.It was to buy off Boris Johnson and he has ratted on you so there will
:23:29. > :23:32.no be no sovereignty bill. On one thing I agree, I hope there won't be
:23:33. > :23:39.a sovereignty bill because I hope we will be leaving
:23:40. > :23:40.Now, the Shadow Home Secretary and former
:23:41. > :23:42.Labour Leadership Candidate Andy Burnham has announced his bid
:23:43. > :23:45.to become Labour's candidate for Mayor of Greater Manchester.
:23:46. > :23:47.Here he his launching his campaign at a speech
:23:48. > :23:51.Our own party, you've heard me say this before, has been too
:23:52. > :23:53.London-centric down the years and, consequently, we've left a situation
:23:54. > :23:56.people out there, haven't felt that we are responding properly
:23:57. > :24:01.What I want to do, in launching this campaign today,
:24:02. > :24:07.is develop a distinctive brand of Northern Labour.
:24:08. > :24:11.Give Labour a stronger Northern voice that speaks
:24:12. > :24:14.to the people out there and I think that's what
:24:15. > :24:25.And Andy Burnham joins us now from Salford.
:24:26. > :24:35.Welcome to the programme. Why are you abandoning Westminster? Because
:24:36. > :24:41.I think I can do more to change this place, greater Manchester, and
:24:42. > :24:46.indeed politics in this country by making the statement. Westminster,
:24:47. > :24:50.over the centuries, has left us with an unequal country. I would go as
:24:51. > :24:56.far as saying, it has failed the north of England. We have a very
:24:57. > :25:02.uneven distribution of resources, life chances and power. I don't see
:25:03. > :25:07.that Westminster is going to change that. There is an opportunity to
:25:08. > :25:11.rebalance the country by making this decision I think I'm sending a
:25:12. > :25:15.statement that this country needs to change and we need to rebalance it,
:25:16. > :25:20.south to north. That's at the heart of my campaign. You don't even think
:25:21. > :25:27.a Labour government would do that rebalancing? It did. I'm here in
:25:28. > :25:34.Salford, media city is just over the way. We did many things to change
:25:35. > :25:39.the media power of the country. I remember, many in the BBC weren't
:25:40. > :25:42.keen but we were right to do it. To try and rebalance the way that the
:25:43. > :25:50.country worked and bring different voices onto the airwaves. There is
:25:51. > :25:53.only so much you can do. The inequalities in England are very
:25:54. > :25:58.deeply entrenched. That's why am saying that we need a campaign for
:25:59. > :26:02.an equal England. It is an balanced between north and south and we've
:26:03. > :26:07.known that for many years. Now, there really needs to be a moment of
:26:08. > :26:11.change. You don't have much confidence in Labour's ability to
:26:12. > :26:14.win the next election because you said the party did things to change
:26:15. > :26:18.the balance but you don't believe they're going to be in power in 2020
:26:19. > :26:26.and you have decided to leave Westminster and go your own way. I
:26:27. > :26:31.don't see it at all, how you can claim that, the point I make today
:26:32. > :26:35.is that Labour needs to revitalise in the North of England. We need a
:26:36. > :26:39.distinctive Northern voice if we are to connect with voters here. There
:26:40. > :26:44.is a worry that we are losing our group with some voters here. They
:26:45. > :26:48.feel that we are to London centric. You've heard me say that many times
:26:49. > :26:55.over the years on your programme. In my view, I can do more to help the
:26:56. > :27:00.party by making this statement, by working now to revitalise Labour in
:27:01. > :27:08.the north. I think that can do more to build towards 2020 election
:27:09. > :27:14.victory. Jeremy Corbyn have spoken about this in much detail. I gave
:27:15. > :27:18.him a commitment to work with him to build the Labour Party coming out of
:27:19. > :27:22.the last election. I have been doing that in the Shadow Cabinet but we
:27:23. > :27:25.have agreed that I can move into this role to continue this process
:27:26. > :27:32.of rebuilding and strengthening labour in all parts of the country.
:27:33. > :27:36.That is how we will win in 2020. Jeremy Corbyn, from a London
:27:37. > :27:43.constituency, is he to London centric and as a result his Labour
:27:44. > :27:48.Party? I don't personalise it. The party has been to London centric
:27:49. > :27:53.over many years. It goes back a long time. It doesn't help that Jeremy
:27:54. > :27:58.Corbyn is seen as a London metropolitan elite. It wouldn't help
:27:59. > :28:04.persuade the people you want? I don't think that is right. If you
:28:05. > :28:07.look in our big cities, the big cities really rallied around Jeremy
:28:08. > :28:13.Corbyn in the leadership election and he won well in the North as well
:28:14. > :28:17.as in the south. He has got a very big mandate and people want a
:28:18. > :28:23.different kind of politics. He was absolutely right about that. I want
:28:24. > :28:28.to work with him to build that. Is he right on immigration when he says
:28:29. > :28:33.that we should have more migrants and refugees coming? I have said
:28:34. > :28:37.over many years that immigration is overall a good thing. That is the
:28:38. > :28:41.argument that Jeremy makes. I make this point, from a Northern 's
:28:42. > :28:47.perspective, what we hear on the airwaves on programme's like yours
:28:48. > :28:52.is the London take on immigration, that it is a purely good thing about
:28:53. > :28:55.driving the economy. That has left people in the North feeling that
:28:56. > :29:01.politicians aren't speaking to them. In the former industrial
:29:02. > :29:05.communities, there are pressures on public services, undercutting of
:29:06. > :29:10.wages, and the failure of the Labour Party to address those issues about
:29:11. > :29:15.a decade ago has given us a feeling that we are out of touch in parts of
:29:16. > :29:22.the North. I want to change that and corrected. That is part of why I am
:29:23. > :29:25.making this move. Is Jeremy Corbyn addressing that issue in the right
:29:26. > :29:34.way for northern constituencies like yours? I thought it was absolutely
:29:35. > :29:39.brilliant, I think, a fortnight ago when he challenged David Cameron in
:29:40. > :29:42.the House of Commons to support a European proposal to stop the
:29:43. > :29:48.undercutting of skilled wages. It was his first question at PMQ 's
:29:49. > :29:53.couple of weeks ago. Cameron squirmed and wouldn't tell us
:29:54. > :29:56.whether his MEPs would back it. Absolutely, Jeremy Corbyn was
:29:57. > :30:01.raising the right issue and it's an issue that Labour needs to talk
:30:02. > :30:06.about more. Labour movement can be a good thing but don't let it undercut
:30:07. > :30:09.the wages of skilled workers across the North of England. It was
:30:10. > :30:14.brilliant that he took that issue directly to the Prime Minister. Andy
:30:15. > :30:23.Vernon, good to talk to you. Thank you very much.
:30:24. > :30:29.The lesson of London is, if you want to win, have a top-class candidate
:30:30. > :30:33.and if you lose, you have a dirty campaign. So the better the
:30:34. > :30:39.candidates, the Queen of the fight... I think Andy is great and
:30:40. > :30:53.no doubt there will be other great candidates as well. I think it's an
:30:54. > :31:02.opportunity and Boris Johnson, and now Andy Burnham, there could be
:31:03. > :31:06.elected mayors of our major cities, we go more like the Americans, the
:31:07. > :31:12.French or Italian roots, they then become springboards, into national
:31:13. > :31:16.politics. The Prime Minister of Italy was my of Florence before and
:31:17. > :31:21.Boris Johnson is now going international politics, big-time
:31:22. > :31:25.bust up -- mayor of Florence. It gives them experience as well. It's
:31:26. > :31:29.no bad thing in terms of the calibre of our political leadership,
:31:30. > :31:33.regardless of party, for people of our political leadership,
:31:34. > :31:39.have that executive responsibility and some big ambition in terms
:31:40. > :31:40.have that executive responsibility their party. Because they are
:31:41. > :31:45.directly elected. Most of us living in the UK
:31:46. > :31:50.are willing to open which ranks
:31:51. > :31:56.27 countries based on people's readiness to let refugees
:31:57. > :31:59.live in their countries, towns, neighbourhoods and homes,
:32:00. > :32:06.in a so-called China tops the list of 27
:32:07. > :32:10.countries in the survey, followed by Germany,
:32:11. > :32:12.and then the UK. And coming in
:32:13. > :32:15.at the bottom - it's Russia. Around the world,
:32:16. > :32:23.10% of people would let But that figures rises
:32:24. > :32:28.to 29% here in the UK. 47% of people in this country
:32:29. > :32:34.would welcome refugees And a big majority of
:32:35. > :32:40.people in Britain, 87%, say refugees should be allowed
:32:41. > :32:43.into the country. Meanwhile,
:32:44. > :32:45.66% of people around the world think their governments
:32:46. > :33:08.should do more help those fleeing We're just trying to make connection
:33:09. > :33:11.there with him. Let me come to you first, Kate, were you surprised that
:33:12. > :33:17.we came third? I wasn't surprised by the results at all, we decided to do
:33:18. > :33:23.this poll because we kept being told by governments around the world that
:33:24. > :33:27.people don't want to give support and a refuge to people fleeing war
:33:28. > :33:32.and persecution, and that's not what we see, it's not what we see in this
:33:33. > :33:36.country and not what we see in many parts of the world. So we thought,
:33:37. > :33:43.let's do a poll, let's test this, let's see what comes from the pole.
:33:44. > :33:50.What we get there is 20 out of 27 countries where over 75 people say
:33:51. > :33:56.that refugees, people fleeing war and persecution, should get support
:33:57. > :34:01.-- over 75% of people. I think it's interesting that China came first,
:34:02. > :34:05.people were answering that question in a country with little experience
:34:06. > :34:14.of refugees but answering it from the heart. Have taken very few
:34:15. > :34:19.refugees in recent years? Yes, but this country that came second is
:34:20. > :34:23.Germany, which has taken in a lot. What you're getting is a response
:34:24. > :34:28.from the heart in terms of China, people have little experience of it
:34:29. > :34:31.but saying all the more cynical interpretation would be taken say
:34:32. > :34:37.yes because they know the government would never allow it. We're talking
:34:38. > :34:42.to ordinary people through a polling company. People are very careful
:34:43. > :34:52.what they say in a country like Germany. The Dilma Rousseff --
:34:53. > :34:55.China. How do we know whether to believe them or not, when they said
:34:56. > :35:01.they would accept refugees in their home? It is a poll, they are
:35:02. > :35:07.answering what the poster has asked them. What we see at Amnesty, people
:35:08. > :35:12.campaigning with the local councils, asking them to take refugees,
:35:13. > :35:17.particularly keen and angry about this government's policy in terms of
:35:18. > :35:26.refugees from Syria, where we have taken 1300. 1300 in a crisis of 5
:35:27. > :35:30.million across the world. Last year this country took in about 20,000
:35:31. > :35:38.refugees, it's not right to say it's 1000... It's a lot less than Sweden,
:35:39. > :35:46.per capita, Gregg Gillis, and a lot less than Germany. -- a great deal
:35:47. > :35:51.less. I was talking about people from Syria where the government has
:35:52. > :35:56.announced a programme... From the camps, not the people already in
:35:57. > :36:01.Europe. The numbers here in the UK are very, very small. It is Sweden
:36:02. > :36:07.and Germany in Europe who are taking something like 50% of refugees
:36:08. > :36:12.across Europe. So our country is doing very well, actually, in
:36:13. > :36:16.providing resources and providing support for people in the region,
:36:17. > :36:22.it's not doing well in terms of the people here who needs help. What we
:36:23. > :36:26.are saying is that all countries who could afford it should provide
:36:27. > :36:33.support for people from the region and also ticking people... Some of
:36:34. > :36:36.the most vulnerable. And what we need is a global response, so the UN
:36:37. > :36:43.is meeting next week and again in September... Can't even get a
:36:44. > :36:49.European response! So how could you ever hope to get a global response,
:36:50. > :36:55.when even the EU has not managed to come up with a concerted United
:36:56. > :36:58.response? I know, and it is appalling that the EU has left
:36:59. > :37:02.Germany and Sweden and others to do the things that they have done and
:37:03. > :37:08.nobody has joined in, but it doesn't mean we should stop demanding... It
:37:09. > :37:12.is the biggest refugee crisis since the end of the Second World War.
:37:13. > :37:20.What was the size of the sample in the UK? 1000. The only reason I ask
:37:21. > :37:24.is it is different from the private polling of the political parties,
:37:25. > :37:28.especially on the conservative side. One of the reason I believe the
:37:29. > :37:33.government has taken a hard line is that polling shows it wouldn't be
:37:34. > :37:37.popular. But look at public opinion, that has made the government changes
:37:38. > :37:41.mind on taking people from Syria, public opinion that said we should
:37:42. > :37:49.take children when the government was trying to say that defeated,
:37:50. > :37:53.again and again, our government, our politicians underestimate people in
:37:54. > :37:58.this country. Some of the private polling I've been told is very
:37:59. > :38:02.different from your poll but we will never know the difference is, let me
:38:03. > :38:05.bring in Stephen, migration spokesman for Ukip who has been
:38:06. > :38:10.listening to most of this. This polling would suggest that we are
:38:11. > :38:14.rather generous country, that we realise our obligations to refugees
:38:15. > :38:20.and we should take more in. What you say? I think the polling is right to
:38:21. > :38:24.suggest that people in Britain have always been welcoming the genuine
:38:25. > :38:29.refugees, we have accepted those in the past, and we are kind and
:38:30. > :38:36.generous nation. I am not so sure that a poll of 1000 people, I
:38:37. > :38:40.haven't seen exactly what type of people they were, what class of
:38:41. > :38:45.individuals... We assume it is a reasonably robust potent it has 1000
:38:46. > :38:49.people by a reputable polling company, with no polls often don't
:38:50. > :38:56.get it right but it must give a fair snapshot of opinion. It would
:38:57. > :38:59.suggest that if the government lived up to the humanity and the record of
:39:00. > :39:07.the British people, it would be prepared to take more refugees, not
:39:08. > :39:13.talking about migrants, more refugees. What would be wrong with
:39:14. > :39:18.that? Again I emphasise, even if you look at Ukip's policies in the past,
:39:19. > :39:20.we said we had to have our responsibilities to the UN
:39:21. > :39:25.agreements we have signed but this year I think we will accept 38,000
:39:26. > :39:30.genuine asylum seekers into this country and I think we spent, with
:39:31. > :39:34.the government, over a billion helping out those in Lebanon decided
:39:35. > :39:38.to take in 38,000 mile and you have seen recently those we're going to
:39:39. > :39:42.accept as well, with the children. So the country has accepted its
:39:43. > :39:45.responsibilities but up and down the country, there was a huge difference
:39:46. > :39:50.between those who feel we should accept more genuine asylum seekers,
:39:51. > :39:57.that I feel on the doorstep. Because there is a clear problem on the
:39:58. > :40:00.country between those who understand asylum and economic migrants and
:40:01. > :40:08.until we deal with the economic migrant issue, people will always be
:40:09. > :40:12.confused. The record show that if you are welcoming to refugees in
:40:13. > :40:19.this country, with the children in the 1930s, these people grow up in
:40:20. > :40:24.the country that has accepted them and they have children themselves,
:40:25. > :40:31.they become the biggest supporters, the most patriotic people of their
:40:32. > :40:34.adopted nation and they are always grateful and becomes hugely proud of
:40:35. > :40:42.what happened to them, wouldn't that be a plus for the nation? Of course,
:40:43. > :40:45.I grew up with... There is a difference between saying they are
:40:46. > :40:52.supportive of us and whether the country can wear the economic cost
:40:53. > :40:56.of accepting more. Every government has the responsibility to assess the
:40:57. > :40:59.cost of bringing in more people, of which there can be benefits, and
:41:00. > :41:04.also the cost to the country as a whole and whether we can afford it.
:41:05. > :41:09.We have that debate on this show many times to show that low wages
:41:10. > :41:16.and job displacement when we have masses of migration, we need to have
:41:17. > :41:22.a balanced. Let me just come back to you for a reaction, in general, it
:41:23. > :41:31.is you understand it, because I hadn't seen this, that we will allow
:41:32. > :41:32.in 38,000 refugees this year? We have spontaneous arrivals of
:41:33. > :41:36.refugees and the have spontaneous arrivals of
:41:37. > :41:37.small. What we're talking about here is a global crisis, the biggest
:41:38. > :41:41.refugee crisis is a global crisis, the biggest
:41:42. > :41:44.Second World War stop we can continue in the way that people are,
:41:45. > :41:51.governments are, continue in the way that people are,
:41:52. > :41:57.dangerous situations and see all of that, or the can ask our government
:41:58. > :42:00.to use its political capital and experience to work with other
:42:01. > :42:03.governments globally and say we need something on a bigger
:42:04. > :42:04.governments globally and say we need addresses this problem. I think you
:42:05. > :42:11.both. -- It took off from Paris
:42:12. > :42:13.just after 11pm last night, but about 20 minutes before
:42:14. > :42:17.it was due to land in Cairo , Egyptair flight MS804 disappeared
:42:18. > :42:19.from radar screens and lost contact The Airbus A320 had
:42:20. > :42:30.66 people on board - mainly Egyptian and French nationals
:42:31. > :42:45.but also one Briton. The latest is a statement from the
:42:46. > :42:51.Greek Defence Ministry which says the plane swerved sharply at 90
:42:52. > :42:57.degrees and then fell abruptly by 22,000 feet. It was cruising at a
:42:58. > :43:01.normal altitude of 37,000 feet. So this is a very different story to
:43:02. > :43:06.what was originally being looked at this morning, which was the idea
:43:07. > :43:10.they had been some sort of catastrophic incident on board,
:43:11. > :43:15.possibly an explosion. This would steer us in a different direction.
:43:16. > :43:18.But one aviation analyst is talking about is whether there was some kind
:43:19. > :43:22.of fight in the cockpit on board, some kind of struggle between the
:43:23. > :43:33.crew themselves or between one of the passengers or more and the crew.
:43:34. > :43:41.There were no distress calls, and there was nothing to indicate the
:43:42. > :43:44.time the plane left, the Greek flight information region, have
:43:45. > :43:48.passed into the Egyptian region, to indicate there was anything wrong.
:43:49. > :43:52.So whatever took place at very suddenly, with no warning but at the
:43:53. > :44:01.moment there doesn't appear to have been in the explosion. It could be
:44:02. > :44:04.some significance in affected was a flight from France and Egypt, both
:44:05. > :44:11.countries have many terrorist enemies in the middle east, is that
:44:12. > :44:15.a fair point? People are looking at the possibility, I hope it doesn't
:44:16. > :44:22.prove to be true, that somebody with access to air side Charles de Gaulle
:44:23. > :44:27.airport could have placed at device on-board, there was no freight on
:44:28. > :44:35.board the plane but remember last year, Islamic State's Sinai province
:44:36. > :44:47.of village was able to get a device on-board a Russian jet and blow it
:44:48. > :44:50.out of the year. -- out of the air. 60 were laid off after the Paris
:44:51. > :44:54.attacks in the number because of fears they had sympathies with
:44:55. > :44:59.so-called Islamic State, or Islamic extremism. That is something the
:45:00. > :45:07.French internal Security ministry will be looking at.
:45:08. > :45:15.The latest information implies there was some action on the plane,
:45:16. > :45:21.swerving to avoid something? What do you avoid at 30,000 feet? There are
:45:22. > :45:25.no reports of other aircraft at immediate vicinity. It appears to be
:45:26. > :45:31.something on board that caused the pilot to plunge this plane down into
:45:32. > :45:34.the sea. Frank Gardner, thank you very much for bringing as
:45:35. > :45:41.up-to-date. Interesting developments. Anything that happens
:45:42. > :45:43.will be on BBC news throughout the day.
:45:44. > :45:46.The voice of big business has been pretty dominant in the EU
:45:47. > :45:52.When the country was last asked its view on European
:45:53. > :45:54.integration, in the referendum of 1975, the trade unions
:45:55. > :45:58.Now most of them are urging their members to vote to remain,
:45:59. > :46:01.Unions love placards so surely the referendum
:46:02. > :46:08.Unite, the largest union is advising its 1.4
:46:09. > :46:15.Unison is doing the same for its 1.3 million members.
:46:16. > :46:19.The GMB recommends 600,000 members vote to stay and so does
:46:20. > :46:23.USDAW - all four were registered as official campaigners so they can
:46:24. > :46:27.While the next biggest union is the Royal
:46:28. > :46:32.It is neutral but has produced a fact sheet for
:46:33. > :46:38.Some individual trade unionists support the group Another
:46:39. > :46:42.Europe Is Possible which is avoiding David Cameron and big business, it's
:46:43. > :46:46.about to start a nationwide speaking tour featuring people like the
:46:47. > :46:48.Shadow Chancellor, who make a radical, workers'
:46:49. > :46:54.Four weeks paid holiday entitlement, the
:46:55. > :46:58.right to maternity leave, protection on the hours we work
:46:59. > :47:04.and improved rights for agency workers, secured across Europe.
:47:05. > :47:07.All things won by the workers movement that the EU now
:47:08. > :47:10.helps protect and all things that the Tories
:47:11. > :47:16.It's a turnaround from the 1975 referendum on whether to remain
:47:17. > :47:19.in the European Economic Community, when the bulk of trade Unions wanted
:47:20. > :47:26.Such a turnaround was the subject of an academic conference this week.
:47:27. > :47:30.From the perspective of 1975, the EEC looks more like a
:47:31. > :47:33.free-market venture, something that could actually stop
:47:34. > :47:36.socialism being pursued in one country, and that was
:47:37. > :47:40.a big reason for hostility towards it on the left of the political
:47:41. > :47:47.Some trade unionists here still feel that way, though.
:47:48. > :47:49.This is a meeting of Left Exit which is
:47:50. > :47:54.Unite are in favour of staying in the European
:47:55. > :47:59.I think the European Union is increasingly fascist in the way it
:48:00. > :48:03.overrides national governments, look what happened in Greece.
:48:04. > :48:05.I want more immigration, I want more solidarity
:48:06. > :48:09.and I don't think that the borders of Europe were made to help ordinary
:48:10. > :48:13.people, they were made to help the bosses.
:48:14. > :48:16.This campaign is supported by the RMT, ASLEF and the Baker's
:48:17. > :48:21.Union fancy the idea of a Lexit, too.
:48:22. > :48:23.And remember TUSC, the trade union and socialist coalition which
:48:24. > :48:30.They are on the Leave side as well, and even applied to become
:48:31. > :48:39.And Dave Nellist who you saw at the end of that piece joins
:48:40. > :48:53.Why are you campaigning to leave? The European Union is set up
:48:54. > :48:57.essentially for big companies. Its stature is on a continental scale,
:48:58. > :49:01.it promotes privatisation, we've stature is on a continental scale,
:49:02. > :49:06.seen postal services, water, electricity, rail, other forms of
:49:07. > :49:11.transport go. Increasingly, in its court of Justice ruling is it
:49:12. > :49:14.undermines trade union collective-bargaining and right to
:49:15. > :49:23.strike. I think all socialists should vote no on 23rd June. We
:49:24. > :49:29.think Brexit would be a big gamble with jobs, rights and people's
:49:30. > :49:34.livelihoods as well. Look at some of our best organised manufacturing
:49:35. > :49:39.companies, automotive, chemicals, a whole range of companies who
:49:40. > :49:44.critically depend on investment because we are a member of the EU.
:49:45. > :49:49.If we come out, we know what will happen in respect of those
:49:50. > :49:51.investment decisions. We will see good jobs replaced by worse ones,
:49:52. > :49:56.investment decisions. We will see assuming we hold onto them. There is
:49:57. > :49:57.investment decisions. We will see a big issue over workers
:49:58. > :50:02.investment decisions. We will see live in the here and
:50:03. > :50:08.investment decisions. We will see rights, holiday pay,
:50:09. > :50:11.investment decisions. We will see rights are dependent on membership
:50:12. > :50:17.of the EU. Do you trust this government
:50:18. > :50:17.of the EU. Do you trust this unions to protect those rights? The
:50:18. > :50:21.OECD, unions to protect those rights? The
:50:22. > :50:23.planet have a unions to protect those rights? The
:50:24. > :50:31.index. The UK is 31st out of 34. unions to protect those rights? The
:50:32. > :50:43.came long before the EU. I would Francis
:50:44. > :50:53.came long before the EU. I would say, 28 of the heads of government
:50:54. > :50:54.make the policies in the UU, most of them are conservative and favour
:50:55. > :50:58.austerity. I don't think we them are conservative and favour
:50:59. > :51:02.put our faith in Tory governments in Europe. It is true to say that much
:51:03. > :51:08.employment Europe. It is true to say that much
:51:09. > :51:20.originated here. Most of the important ones are. Take
:51:21. > :51:24.originated here. Most of the Dave said, was done before the EU.
:51:25. > :51:28.originated here. Most of the the EU. It has helped millions of
:51:29. > :51:34.women the EU. It has helped millions of
:51:35. > :51:37.about austerity? Take the the EU. It has helped millions of
:51:38. > :51:46.Greece. Do you think they were treated fairly? Absolutely not. We
:51:47. > :51:49.don't think the EU is perfect. As a trade union movement, we have a
:51:50. > :51:54.responsibility to figure out what's in the best interests of workers.
:51:55. > :51:58.We've worked hard on this, looking at the evidence and our guidance to
:51:59. > :52:05.workers is, don't gamble with your jobs, don't gamble with your right,
:52:06. > :52:13.vote to remain. Even Yanis Varoufakis is backing the UK to stay
:52:14. > :52:18.in. Not that he has got a vote. All sorts of people are backing people
:52:19. > :52:22.to stay in but they tend not to be friends of working people. Look at
:52:23. > :52:27.the direction Europe is travelling in. Particularly on legislation, the
:52:28. > :52:33.undermining of collective bargaining. Look at Rotherham, a
:52:34. > :52:36.Croatian company brought in construction workers on half the
:52:37. > :52:41.European Union rate and were forcing down wages. That is the way that the
:52:42. > :52:49.European Union is going. We need strong unions to fight that. Giving
:52:50. > :52:54.them a vote of confidence on June the 23rd is not doing that. Workers
:52:55. > :52:56.have two combine a cross borders. That is the only way we will get a
:52:57. > :53:00.fairer deal. Thank you very much. Now, earlier we talked about
:53:01. > :53:02.the content of the Queen's Speech, No, not the ermine or
:53:03. > :53:07.the horse-drawn carriage, but the two Commons speeches that
:53:08. > :53:10.are supposed to be funny - or at least, funnier than the one
:53:11. > :53:12.delivered by Her Majesty. Traditionally two backbench MPs
:53:13. > :53:19.are chosen to open the debate in the lower chamber
:53:20. > :53:22.with an amusing speech, with the Prime Minister and Leader
:53:23. > :53:25.of the Opposition expected One of the backbenchers
:53:26. > :53:30.was Conservative MP Phillip Lee. Here's a flavour of
:53:31. > :53:34.yesterday's action - including Jeremy Corbyn channelling
:53:35. > :53:37.the captain of Dr Lee's As the house knows, I am
:53:38. > :53:49.a practising doctor. Unfortunately, Mr Speaker,
:53:50. > :53:53.in a medical context, PR does not stand for public relations,
:53:54. > :53:57.but is shorthand for the type of examination that involves putting
:53:58. > :54:02.on rubber gloves, applying gel, and If I may give my right honourable
:54:03. > :54:23.friend the Prime Minister If in the future he finds himself
:54:24. > :54:34.speaking at a medical professional dinner, under no circumstances
:54:35. > :54:38.should he tell the audience that in his life before politics,
:54:39. > :54:43.he was into PR and that he found the work
:54:44. > :54:50.very stimulating. As captain of the Old Grumblers'
:54:51. > :54:53.Cricket Club, I rarely had to handle as obstinate
:54:54. > :54:56.and disruptive a character Who stubbornly refused to stand
:54:57. > :55:07.in any conventional field placement and very openly demonstrated
:55:08. > :55:13.a disdain for team sports, command structures, and presumably
:55:14. > :55:16.this led him to the logical career He is also, I am told,
:55:17. > :55:26.an ardent fan of Queens Park Rangers,
:55:27. > :55:29.but we won't say too much about that because at least one of my teams
:55:30. > :55:47.is joining him Chuckles all round. Philip Lee joins
:55:48. > :55:54.us from Central Lobby. Patrick Kidd is with is in the studio. Were you
:55:55. > :56:00.nervous? How long did you spend writing this? Where did you get the
:56:01. > :56:05.joke? It all came from my office. It was an internal job. I was nervous.
:56:06. > :56:11.I had been in my sick bed for a few days so I was happy that it went OK,
:56:12. > :56:17.considering. Were you happy with the reaction of Jeremy Corbyn and Mr
:56:18. > :56:21.Cameron? I knew where that was coming from. The current captain of
:56:22. > :56:25.the team is from Islington and Highbury. I guessed it was going to
:56:26. > :56:32.be tough on me but it was good humoured. How did it compared to
:56:33. > :56:37.similar occasions? I thought it was very good. It is daunting to get up
:56:38. > :56:49.and make those jokes. There was one about the Sutra.
:56:50. > :57:02.Jeremy Corbyn doesn't have a reputation for mirth and he was very
:57:03. > :57:08.funny. It's a shame he spoke at an extra 35 winners. There were good
:57:09. > :57:18.jokes all round. Who writes the jokes in your speeches? There are
:57:19. > :57:24.not necessarily lots of them but they are really good quality. Philip
:57:25. > :57:28.Lee, did you get a good reaction afterwards? I really did. I had
:57:29. > :57:35.people hugging me which was disconcerting. And they were just
:57:36. > :57:38.Tories! I had a good response from both sides of the house and I was
:57:39. > :57:42.glad to make people laugh but I said some serious things as well and it
:57:43. > :57:48.was good to get that over as well. Is this good for an MP's career to
:57:49. > :57:53.get noticed? You've been in the house for five years and you made a
:57:54. > :57:58.really big mark. I'm not sure. About five of the people who have seconded
:57:59. > :58:03.the speech over seven years are no longer members of Parliament. So,
:58:04. > :58:11.who knows? This might be the last time we see you! Well, it's been
:58:12. > :58:14.nice having you on the programme. We may not see you ever again. Thank
:58:15. > :58:37.you. Just time to get the answer to the
:58:38. > :58:41.quiz. I'd get one direction. I think you'll find it's Ross Jones, the
:58:42. > :58:47.mayor. Interestingly, Ed Miliband has slipped to number 40. There you
:58:48. > :58:54.go, the power list in Doncaster. That's it. Back tonight on BBC One
:58:55. > :58:57.with this week after question Time. Here tomorrow on BBC Two at noon.
:58:58. > :59:02.Try to join us. Goodbye. Soak up the atmosphere at the most
:59:03. > :59:07.famous flower show in the world. from the RHS Chelsea Flower Show
:59:08. > :59:21.2016. You look lovely, Mum.
:59:22. > :59:24.Go on, do a twirl.