25/05/2016

:00:36. > :00:37.Morning folks, and welcome to the Daily Politics.

:00:38. > :00:41.The Remain campaign has been handed yet more ammunition for its claims

:00:42. > :00:43.that leaving the EU would harm the economy.

:00:44. > :00:47.This time, from on highly respected think-tank which says it could mean

:00:48. > :00:53.We'll be taking stock of all George Osborne's scary stories

:00:54. > :00:58.and asking if they're more fairytale or just grim economic reality.

:00:59. > :01:01.Speaking of George Osborne, he'll be standing in for David Cameron

:01:02. > :01:07.We'll have all the action live from noon.

:01:08. > :01:10.We've previously heard from military leaders backing Remain.

:01:11. > :01:13.Today, we'll talk to one of the retired senior officers

:01:14. > :01:20.claiming that a vote to leave will aid our defence and security.

:01:21. > :01:27.And, as both sides of the referendum debate reach out to young voters,

:01:28. > :01:30.former DJ Mike Reed will join us to discuss what's gone wrong

:01:31. > :01:39.All that in the next hour and a half.

:01:40. > :01:41.And with us for the whole of the programme today,

:01:42. > :01:45.speaking of scary things, it's the cabinet office minister Matt Hancock

:01:46. > :01:50.Gisela is supporting a Leave vote in the EU referendum

:01:51. > :01:53.and is well known for disagreeing with her party's position

:01:54. > :01:55.on some of the big issues of the day.

:01:56. > :01:57.Matt is supporting Remain and, well, let's just say

:01:58. > :02:01.he's not exactly famous for attacking his own government.

:02:02. > :02:06.So, if you're tuning in today hoping for a break from the EU referendum,

:02:07. > :02:09.then prepare to be thoroughly disappointed.

:02:10. > :02:12.There are plenty of stormy exchanges taking place between both sides

:02:13. > :02:17.on everything from Turkey joining the EU to the NHS to farming.

:02:18. > :02:20.But it's also been another week in which the Leave camp

:02:21. > :02:23.has been buffeted by some big economic warnings.

:02:24. > :02:26.This morning, the Institute for Fiscal Studies,

:02:27. > :02:29.a group that's usually treated with respect by most politicians,

:02:30. > :02:33.has weighed in and joined the likes of the IMF, the OECD, and the Bank

:02:34. > :02:37.of England in saying that a vote to leave would harm the economy.

:02:38. > :02:40.And it comes, of course, after a series of warnings

:02:41. > :02:43.from David Cameron and George Osborne.

:02:44. > :02:47.Jo is going to remind us of some of their most frightening assessments.

:02:48. > :02:51.Yes, with all these bleak economic forecasts around,

:02:52. > :02:54.you can see why critics have accused the Remain camp of relying on scary

:02:55. > :03:01.Last month, George Osborne looked far into the future and warned

:03:02. > :03:07.a vote for Brexit could leave families ?4,300 worse off by 2030.

:03:08. > :03:12.And this week, voters may have been spooked by his new Treasury report

:03:13. > :03:14.claiming a vote to leave would tip the UK into

:03:15. > :03:24.a year-long recession, costing, he said, 820,000 jobs.

:03:25. > :03:30.Homeowners may have felt a chill down their spine when the Chancellor

:03:31. > :03:34.said house prices could fall by up to 18%.

:03:35. > :03:37.David Cameron then raised the spectre of more expensive

:03:38. > :03:40.holidays as early as this summer, by as much as ?230.

:03:41. > :03:43.But probably the scariest of scare stories from the Prime Minister

:03:44. > :03:45.was his claim that Brexit could lead to another war in Europe.

:03:46. > :03:48.The Remain camp reject claims they're relying on fear,

:03:49. > :03:50.and accuse Leave campaigners of preferring conspiracy theories.

:03:51. > :03:55.Let's see how the story ends in just under a month.

:03:56. > :03:59.So, those are the economic warnings coming from Numbers 10 and 11.

:04:00. > :04:03.And, this morning, they've been able to add to their arsenal the verdict

:04:04. > :04:05.on Brexit of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, which said

:04:06. > :04:17.a vote to leave could lead to two more years of austerity.

:04:18. > :04:26.In 2019 as it says it does, that would require another ?5 billion of

:04:27. > :04:30.public spenting cuts, 5 billion pud of security cuts and tax increases.

:04:31. > :04:34.Most likely, what the Government will decide to do is let's have

:04:35. > :04:42.another year or two of austerity. This is just adding a year or two to

:04:43. > :04:50.the decade long us astery. Something we can cope with but another year of

:04:51. > :04:53.spending cuts to come It came on the Treasury short-term predictions of

:04:54. > :04:58.what would happen if we leave. It said if we left the EU we would fall

:04:59. > :05:04.into recession. How deep does it say that recession would be? It says

:05:05. > :05:08.there will be a recession, as in more than two quarters of negative

:05:09. > :05:15.economic growth. How bad would it be? It would be bad for people who

:05:16. > :05:19.lost their jobs. We lost 7% of our GDP after the 2008 financial crash.

:05:20. > :05:24.How much is the report predicting this time? The report predicts the

:05:25. > :05:31.recession would be four quarters long. And that growth would go

:05:32. > :05:37.negative. By how much? Well, there's numbers for each of the four

:05:38. > :05:42.quarters. How much are they? Between 0% and minus 1%. No, it's not

:05:43. > :05:49.actually. It is actually. The central forecast is that four the

:05:50. > :05:56.period you predict a recession, the loss of GDP is.1% per quarter. I'll

:05:57. > :06:02.repeat that again. 0.1%. And what about... 0.1% negative involves

:06:03. > :06:07.hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs. People losing

:06:08. > :06:11.their livelihoods. The key is this, it's not just the Treasury. The Bank

:06:12. > :06:16.of England said there could be a technical recession. You say

:06:17. > :06:20.hundreds of thousands of jobs. We only lost several hundred,000 jobs

:06:21. > :06:29.when we lost 7% of our GDP after 2008. So, why would a 0.1%, I say

:06:30. > :06:35.again, 0.1%, fall in GDP in any one quarter mean the loss of hundreds of

:06:36. > :06:39.thousands of jobs? Because that's what the Treasury forecast says. I

:06:40. > :06:45.know that. I'm asking you why. Because when the he he goes into

:06:46. > :06:56.recession, people lose their jobs. Not by 0.1%. Yes. Let's move on.

:06:57. > :07:01.This.1% fall in GDP for four quarters, but it's 0.1% each

:07:02. > :07:06.quarter, that also assumes that the Government and the Bank of England

:07:07. > :07:11.take no remedial action, do nothing to counter recession, correct?

:07:12. > :07:17.That's at assumption. No, you're wrong. What is the assumption? It

:07:18. > :07:20.assumes the autofiscal stabilisers will work. The Government's policy.

:07:21. > :07:24.But the Government will do nothing else? It is backed up by the Bank of

:07:25. > :07:28.England, the national institute, by all of the others. Of course, they

:07:29. > :07:33.all use roughly the same model. No, they don't have the same model. It

:07:34. > :07:39.has nothing to do with the questions I'm asking. Let's stick with this.

:07:40. > :07:45.On the contrary, Andrew. Can we get it established, the 0.1% fall in GDP

:07:46. > :07:48.in a quarter does assume other than the automatic stabilisers which the

:07:49. > :07:54.Government doesn't do anything about, that it assumes no change in

:07:55. > :07:58.fiscal policy or interest rate policy by the bank: Correct? If you

:07:59. > :08:03.allow me to answer the question which I was aeh answering before you

:08:04. > :08:08.inTerre uppeded last time, the Bank of England interest rates are close

:08:09. > :08:13.to zero. Fiscal policy is constrained by high debt levels. The

:08:14. > :08:16.automatic stabilisers are the fiscal response we, as a Government, are

:08:17. > :08:20.allowed to operate. This is a response. I want to come back to

:08:21. > :08:24.this point about jobs. You seem to be dismissing an idea of a recession

:08:25. > :08:28.because you think a recession won't have a big impact. It will have a

:08:29. > :08:36.significant impact. That's the core message. I'm simply trying to work

:08:37. > :08:40.out why a recession which, pie your own report's prediction, would be

:08:41. > :08:45.0.1% a quarter for four quarters would lead to a huge collapse in

:08:46. > :08:49.house prices and increase in jobs when far deeper recessions have not

:08:50. > :08:53.done the same. Not an increase in jobs. A loss of jobs. That's the

:08:54. > :09:00.damage I'm worried about. Why would the bank not cut interest rates?

:09:01. > :09:04.They are already at 00.5%. They are lower in Japan, the central bank,

:09:05. > :09:09.lower in Sweden, lower in Switzerland. Why not cut interest

:09:10. > :09:17.rates further? Why would it not increase QE. Name a recession we've

:09:18. > :09:19.ever had, even one as smalls you're predicting where there was no

:09:20. > :09:25.response from the Government or central bank. Neither you nor I

:09:26. > :09:30.could name a recession we chose to go into by voting for something we

:09:31. > :09:37.don't have to. We can. Your last Government. The European exchange

:09:38. > :09:41.rate mechanism. Crucially where we go in with interest rates at already

:09:42. > :09:45.record low levels. It comes back to this point, there is a big economic

:09:46. > :09:52.risk. When you put screens up like that, the big book of scary story,

:09:53. > :09:57.right, this is about worrying about people's livelihoods and people's

:09:58. > :10:03.jobs. It is my duty, because I fear that consequence of a Brexit vote,

:10:04. > :10:08.it's my duty to set out that what I think will happen and protect the

:10:09. > :10:11.British people from it. Everybody thinks, the very least in the

:10:12. > :10:16.short-term, there would be problems for the economy. Everybody. I ask

:10:17. > :10:19.you, if that's the case. Why, before Christmas, did the Prime Minister

:10:20. > :10:23.say it would be perfectly all right outside the EU. Why did he call this

:10:24. > :10:28.referendum if it's such a clear case. You're answering my question

:10:29. > :10:33.by asking a different question. I'm saying to you, it is a reasonable

:10:34. > :10:37.concern, the short-term. The Prime Minister may be entirely wrong.

:10:38. > :10:43.That's not what I'm asking you. It is a reasonable concern, given that

:10:44. > :10:47.every major economic authority says there will be a short-term set back

:10:48. > :10:54.to the economy. That's a concern? Let me meet that. It is a concern.

:10:55. > :10:59.It is really not helpful if you have a Prime Minister who spends his

:11:00. > :11:01.whole time talking down the markets. He's partly creating some of the

:11:02. > :11:08.problems which you are warning us of. What I find extraordinary, even

:11:09. > :11:12.the Prime Minister's best efforts to say the pound will decline, the

:11:13. > :11:17.pound hasn't been declining. So, what's your problem? No, what's your

:11:18. > :11:21.problem? The problem saying he's talking down the economy, he's not

:11:22. > :11:26.managing to do it. What's your problem? Back to the question I

:11:27. > :11:30.asked you. What are people to make when they vote on June 23rd

:11:31. > :11:34.wheneverry authority says broadly the same thing, different in scale,

:11:35. > :11:40.but if we vote to leave, there will, at the very least, be short-term set

:11:41. > :11:45.back to the economy? It is a concern that's been pulled together by a

:11:46. > :11:49.Prime Minister when even when negotiating was lining up the big

:11:50. > :11:53.businesses. What you will have, just as you go into the again Lal

:11:54. > :11:56.election, there are periods when democratic decisions, the outcome's

:11:57. > :12:01.not clear. You create a small period of uncertainty. Then the markets

:12:02. > :12:07.will recover. Let he in ask you this. Why does your side of the

:12:08. > :12:12.argument continue to use this figure that we, the country, send ?350

:12:13. > :12:19.million a week as our membership fee to the European Union when you know

:12:20. > :12:23.that's not true? The ONS pink book says our annual contribution to the

:12:24. > :12:30.EU institutions is ?19.1 billion. Why are you shaking your head?

:12:31. > :12:36.Because the ONS themselves said that was misleading. Today, the IFS said

:12:37. > :12:44.it's absurd. Do you agree with the IFS or not? Is If the ONS wishes to

:12:45. > :12:49.change its column... They called that statistic misleading. The IFS

:12:50. > :12:55.today said it is absurd. The only response to that is to attack the

:12:56. > :12:59.ONS from the Leave side. You're quite right, it appears in the

:13:00. > :13:05.accounts. That's an accountancy matter. You know, as well as I do,

:13:06. > :13:09.we don't sent that amount of money. It does not physically leave London

:13:10. > :13:17.and go to Brussels. You know that. What I also know... You do know it?

:13:18. > :13:21.If you want to say the ONS should represent our annual contribution

:13:22. > :13:28.differently... It does do that. It takes the abatement off. Let me

:13:29. > :13:32.finish. The abatement which is continually up-renegotiation in 2020

:13:33. > :13:39.and it is reducing... Just take a deep breath and wake a moment. It is

:13:40. > :13:42.?5 billion at the moment. The second is with very strict conditions how

:13:43. > :13:47.we spend it. Our point is you can take control. If you vote Leave

:13:48. > :13:52.leave, you take control over that and decide how to spend it. Sir

:13:53. > :13:57.Andrew dill not is the chair of the UK statistics authority. He says, I

:13:58. > :14:02.note the use of the ?350 million figure. It appears to be a gross

:14:03. > :14:09.figure which does not take into account the rebate or other flows

:14:10. > :14:15.from the UK from the EU to the UK public sector. They come to about

:14:16. > :14:18.?4.5 billion. Farming and regional subsidies. City initiatives which

:14:19. > :14:24.come from here and get finance from the EU. Without further

:14:25. > :14:29.explanations, I think these statements of misleading. It is the

:14:30. > :14:35.grows contribution. Ever since the days of Margaret Thatcher, roughly

:14:36. > :14:39.speaking for every ?2 we pay in, we get 1 back in conditions. Do you

:14:40. > :14:46.accept we don't send the rebate. They send it back? The proper name

:14:47. > :14:51.is not the rebate. It is the abatement. So, out of the ?18

:14:52. > :14:57.billion a year we send, I speak roughly in these figures, we take

:14:58. > :15:02.the 5 billion abatement off and send ?13 billion which is not ?350

:15:03. > :15:10.million a week. Can we agree on these facts? Can we also agree...

:15:11. > :15:15.No, just agree on that first? The abatement is paid in retrospect and

:15:16. > :15:20.continuously open to renegotiation. Not continuously. Now and then. Your

:15:21. > :15:26.last Government gave it a bit of it away. It is roughly ?5 billion at

:15:27. > :15:30.the moment? I'm talking about the entire envelope we we would have

:15:31. > :15:34.decisions to spend the money again. That's the difference. This morning.

:15:35. > :15:38.The Institute for Fiscal Studies looked at these questions. They said

:15:39. > :15:43.for the 350 million figure to be right, we'd have to assume we no

:15:44. > :15:48.longer paid anything in but still got the rebate or abatement back.

:15:49. > :15:53.They describe that is an absurd. Do you agree that the Institute for

:15:54. > :15:53.Fiscal Studies is a grown-up economic organisation that's

:15:54. > :16:06.credible? I do. It also receives 11% of its

:16:07. > :16:14.funding from the EU. If 11% of my salary came from one source, despite

:16:15. > :16:20.the respect with which it was held, people would have a right to say it

:16:21. > :16:27.had been bought. I'm saying it is serious but we ought to knowledge

:16:28. > :16:35.the money is coming from. You get ?26,000 a year from a source that

:16:36. > :16:44.gets funding from a European source? Are you compromised? My funding

:16:45. > :16:48.comes from that. Why has the Treasury or the government not as

:16:49. > :16:55.the Office for Budget Responsibility to look at the effect of leaving?

:16:56. > :16:59.Because by statute the Office for Budget Responsibility is required

:17:00. > :17:02.only to look at existing government policy and government policy is to

:17:03. > :17:09.remain within the European Union. That is why it can't. All the

:17:10. > :17:13.shows... Treasury forecasts are reliable and you want to give people

:17:14. > :17:17.a fair choice. Why would you not ask the very body that was set to

:17:18. > :17:22.overcome the buyers of Treasury forecasts to look at and then the

:17:23. > :17:31.British people could make a choice. I have just answered. I statute it

:17:32. > :17:36.looks at government policy. You set up the OBR, Mr Osborne explained

:17:37. > :17:39.that he had to do this because the Treasury forecasts were so

:17:40. > :17:44.unreliable. Now you are expecting us to believe them. These are Treasury

:17:45. > :17:47.forecasts. It is not just the Treasury, it is the National

:17:48. > :17:53.Institute, the Bank of England... The Treasury has made a forecasts

:17:54. > :17:57.and you have set up a separate body because it is a unreliable. Why

:17:58. > :18:01.should we believe it? What I'm asking you to do is believe the

:18:02. > :18:08.combination of the Bank of England, I've gone through this over and over

:18:09. > :18:15.again. I have made that point. When not trying to hide that. One final

:18:16. > :18:21.question, the ISS implies that there could be another two years of

:18:22. > :18:24.austerity if we leave the EU. We've already had six years under your

:18:25. > :18:28.government and there is at least another two or three coming anyway

:18:29. > :18:33.whether we stay inside or outside. Why would it make much difference?

:18:34. > :18:38.If you're attacking the integrity of the ISS, you're losing in this

:18:39. > :18:44.campaign. That's what we're saying. Their campaign is in chaos and they

:18:45. > :18:47.are losing the argument. Given your government's record on prolonged

:18:48. > :18:55.asperity with more to come, why would another two years make that

:18:56. > :18:59.much of a difference? I don't want to see jobs lost or fixing the books

:19:00. > :19:04.any more difficult than it is and I don't want to see another recession.

:19:05. > :19:09.That is what all these different economic groups are same would

:19:10. > :19:12.happen. Over to you. Hanley more days to go?

:19:13. > :19:14.Now, there's no David Cameron at PMQs today,

:19:15. > :19:16.he's off to a meeting of the G7 in Japan,

:19:17. > :19:19.and George Osborne is standing in opposite Angela Eagle for Labour.

:19:20. > :19:25.Following last year's General Election, the chancellor was seen

:19:26. > :19:27.as something of a shoo-in to take over as Prime Minister

:19:28. > :19:30.But even before this bruising referendum campaign,

:19:31. > :19:32.his reputation had suffered something of a knock

:19:33. > :19:42.From next year, we will reduce the level of earnings at which a

:19:43. > :19:47.household tax credits and universal credits start to be withdrawn. Stop

:19:48. > :19:53.this wrong-headed and ill walk-through piece of legislation.

:19:54. > :19:58.These proposals latently threatened damage to millions of our fellow

:19:59. > :20:01.citizens. I've listened to the concerns, I a and understand them,

:20:02. > :20:07.the simplest thing to do is not to phase the changes in but avoid them

:20:08. > :20:12.altogether. To give more power to counties and new Mayers, we are

:20:13. > :20:24.giving them the powers to set Sunday trading hours in their areas. The

:20:25. > :20:34.eyes, to the right. 317. The knows to the left, 318. We will be

:20:35. > :20:37.spending more in real terms supporting disabled people than at

:20:38. > :20:44.any point during the last Labour government. That is deeply unfair

:20:45. > :20:48.and that unfairness is damaging to the government and the party and

:20:49. > :20:53.damaging to the public. We will not be going ahead to the changes to PIP

:20:54. > :20:59.that had been put forward. We're going to score complete the task of

:21:00. > :21:07.setting schools free from local education bureaucracy and were going

:21:08. > :21:11.to do it in this Parliament. We have decided it is not necessary to take

:21:12. > :21:12.blanket powers to convert good schools in strong local authorities

:21:13. > :21:22.into academies at this time. Nicky Morgan mayor. Why has he got

:21:23. > :21:28.it wrong on so many occasions and been forced to change policy? The

:21:29. > :21:32.government has a clear direction and we have put forward a huge amount of

:21:33. > :21:39.policies to get there. Why has he had to U-turn on so many key pieces

:21:40. > :21:44.of legislation. Tax credits, changes to PIP, Sunday trading and

:21:45. > :21:49.academies? You set out a whole series across the government. They

:21:50. > :21:58.are all from George Osborne. George Osborne announced the academies. An

:21:59. > :22:02.academies, our aim is to complete the academies Asian process. They

:22:03. > :22:10.are clearly the best way to drive up standards. My question is, why has

:22:11. > :22:16.George Osborne got it wrong on key pieces of legislation and been

:22:17. > :22:20.forced to dramatically U-turn? The goal on academies is exactly the

:22:21. > :22:26.right one. The government wanted to Compal schools to become academies

:22:27. > :22:30.and now they are not. He's had to change on tax credits and disability

:22:31. > :22:36.payments, things he really wanted to do on adjustments on welfare and now

:22:37. > :22:40.he can't. Why does he get it wrong? What we're doing is setting out

:22:41. > :22:45.long-term goals and then there are lots of different ways to get there.

:22:46. > :22:51.That is part of how a government best operates. To say, the most

:22:52. > :22:58.important thing is what we're doing on the economy. Millions of jobs

:22:59. > :23:03.being created, schools, academies, there are roots of getting there.

:23:04. > :23:10.You set out your goals very clearly and work your way there. You admit

:23:11. > :23:15.he has had to change his route and some of the goals he's not going to

:23:16. > :23:19.meet in the way he wanted to. Why is that? Dissent on the Tory

:23:20. > :23:23.backbenches? Obviously, when you have a majority of 12, it is

:23:24. > :23:33.different to operating under a larger majority. For two decades,

:23:34. > :23:41.Britain is used to majorities of 50 or more. It is his party on most of

:23:42. > :23:49.these issues that is rebelling. In one case it was the house of lords.

:23:50. > :23:54.As you say, in one case but there is a lot of dissent. Is it because

:23:55. > :24:01.there is and trust in George Osborne? Has he lost credibility? He

:24:02. > :24:07.can't persuade people. Academies is a very good example, the goal is

:24:08. > :24:15.clear, all schools becoming academies. Actually, the change we

:24:16. > :24:22.have made is that we don't Compal schools to become academies where

:24:23. > :24:25.local authorities... But you're not going to do that now. Belo the goal

:24:26. > :24:37.is to get a full academies. Just 11% believe George Osborne is

:24:38. > :24:43.up to the job of running the country. Do you think he has lost

:24:44. > :24:49.his credibility as a result of these U-turns? No, I will tell you why, he

:24:50. > :24:55.can demonstrate on the economy, on job creation, an making sure we can

:24:56. > :25:00.turn around the deficit and bring that down, on all of these things,

:25:01. > :25:04.there is a clear direction and sticking to that direction, despite

:25:05. > :25:13.things that are thrown at Oz is what that is all about. Will we watch

:25:14. > :25:21.Tory MPs cheering him on even those who want to campaign to leave? We

:25:22. > :25:25.will see. We are united on so many things about implementing the

:25:26. > :25:31.manifesto on which we were elected just over a year ago. You expect him

:25:32. > :25:42.to be cheered from the rafters? Of course. Especially because the areas

:25:43. > :25:45.other than the European issue, and academies and academies and the tax

:25:46. > :25:51.credits and other things they disagree with him on. He is missing

:25:52. > :25:56.Danny Alexander. He only got through the last parliament because Danny

:25:57. > :26:07.Alexander hold him back. Angela Eagle is up today. Will she be

:26:08. > :26:13.brilliant. She will be brilliant. What about Jeremy Corbyn? She will

:26:14. > :26:15.be punchier. She has had lots of practice at this.

:26:16. > :26:18.Now, the Remain campaign yesterday launched a social media campaign

:26:19. > :26:20.designed to reach the "Easyjet generation",

:26:21. > :26:23.which apparently consists of young people

:26:24. > :26:25.who take unrestricted travel around Europe for granted,

:26:26. > :26:29.but are less likely to be registered to vote.

:26:30. > :26:32.And as we all know if there's one thing young people love,

:26:33. > :26:37.it's dropping the "g" from the present participle.

:26:38. > :26:43.So the campaign's messages include: workin', earnin', makin', votin'.

:26:44. > :26:56.and chillin', meetin', tourin', votin'.

:26:57. > :26:59.And, as we at the Daily Politics know a thing or two

:27:00. > :27:00.about communicating with young people

:27:01. > :27:07.- we believe we've got as many as several viewers under 45

:27:08. > :27:12.- we've come up with our own campaign to help explain our

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:27:18. > :27:21.Here it is - and I think we can all agree that

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:27:45. > :27:54.All you have to do is tell us when this happened.

:27:55. > :28:20.I have resigned from the Cabinet and I will make a full statement today.

:28:21. > :29:02.As trading started, there was plenty of end users for the beginning.

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:29:06. > :29:08.send your answer to our special quiz email address -

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:29:18. > :29:35.You'd think I'd know it by now. I've said it about 4 million times.

:29:36. > :29:38.There's a whole lot of tweets from young people coming in. Three now.

:29:39. > :29:41.It's coming. It's coming up to midday here,

:29:42. > :29:45.just take a look at Big Ben yes, Prime Minister's

:29:46. > :29:48.Questions is on its way. And that's not all,

:29:49. > :30:01.Laura Kuenssberg is here. The Prime Minister is in Japan. He

:30:02. > :30:10.is big in Japan, I think. Do you remember that song? He is with G-7

:30:11. > :30:15.finance ministers. When you say it is the B team. Some of the viewers

:30:16. > :30:19.might think it is the 18. The last time we saw Angela Eagle and George

:30:20. > :30:26.Osborne go together it was a very punchy session with lots of gags,

:30:27. > :30:34.quite effective. Mr Osborne on the ropes a little bit. She took him to

:30:35. > :30:40.task over the flooding. Also, guess what, over the EU really go see.

:30:41. > :30:46.There could be a bit of that for George Osborne to handle. She might

:30:47. > :30:52.want to talk about Google. George Osborne said that it was a

:30:53. > :30:55.successful deal. Whereas, the French authorities have raided the Google

:30:56. > :31:01.offices in the last couple of days in what people think is a different,

:31:02. > :31:07.far braver approach. Isn't the answer likely to be, I've got 130

:31:08. > :31:15.million, how much of the French got? Or, actually, under a Labour

:31:16. > :31:21.government, Google had to a tiny amounts. It was in start-up phase

:31:22. > :31:30.them. It's hard to tell what's going on in France because they are all on

:31:31. > :31:34.strike. 25% of petrol stations have no petrol. There has been an air

:31:35. > :31:39.strike and an air traffic control strike. It's hard to tell who is

:31:40. > :31:43.doing the raiding and who's doing the striking. Interesting to see if

:31:44. > :31:49.the much tougher tactics of the French get more in the end than Mr

:31:50. > :31:53.Osborne has got. When we talk about cracking down on tax avoidance and

:31:54. > :31:57.tax evasion which are very different things, are you better to have

:31:58. > :32:01.conversations behind closed doors and work with people, or other

:32:02. > :32:04.countries in the hope of getting somewhere or if you take a

:32:05. > :32:08.sledgehammer to crack a nut do people pack of two other countries

:32:09. > :32:11.using their better lawyers and accountants and better resources

:32:12. > :32:16.than the tax authorities have. That's always been a difficult

:32:17. > :32:19.balance to strike. It's something that Jeremy Corbyn feel strongly

:32:20. > :32:31.about. He would argue that the government hasn't taken a tough

:32:32. > :32:33.enough approach. I'm sure that many members of the government would

:32:34. > :32:35.argue that they have moved significantly forward but tried to

:32:36. > :32:37.take a more cooperative approach rather than just using a

:32:38. > :32:40.sledgehammer. Maybe a French sledgehammer could do the job

:32:41. > :32:45.better. It is tied up with European tax rules which for a long while

:32:46. > :32:49.encouraged these big multinationals to position their intellectual

:32:50. > :32:58.property rights mainly in Luxembourg or Dublin and that allowed them to

:32:59. > :33:04.say they were paying zillions to use the name. And inside the single

:33:05. > :33:10.market people can move their money and business around very easily. In

:33:11. > :33:18.many cases, economists would say it was a big benefit. In this case,

:33:19. > :33:21.perhaps the opposite. Someone who is trying to bring this into the

:33:22. > :33:26.European debate as he did a couple of weeks ago, Gordon Brown is trying

:33:27. > :33:35.to put forward easier crackdowns on tax baddies, if we say inside the EU

:33:36. > :33:37.and losing that if we leave. Didn't he invent half the rules that people

:33:38. > :33:53.have used to avoid tax. THE SPEAKER: There's a process to

:33:54. > :33:57.follow. Wait his turn! Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, as always.

:33:58. > :34:03.The Prime Minister's attending the G7 in Japan. I've been asked to

:34:04. > :34:09.reply on his MAFF. This morning I'd meetings in ministerial colleagues.

:34:10. > :34:14.In addition to my duties in this House, I will have meetings again

:34:15. > :34:17.later today. I'm sure members 07 sit will disagree. The first priority of

:34:18. > :34:22.any Government is the defence and security of our country. Therefore,

:34:23. > :34:26.could the Chancellor outline for me, the steps this Government is taking

:34:27. > :34:33.to replace our Trident nuclear defence? My honourable friend is

:34:34. > :34:41.right. The first duty of Government is to defend the country. To for

:34:42. > :34:46.almost 70 years an independent nuclear deterrent has provided the

:34:47. > :34:49.ultimate insurance of four freedom. We'll renew Trident deterrent,

:34:50. > :34:55.bridge forward votes in this House. We ask MPs from all sides of the

:34:56. > :35:00.House to support this commitment to our national security. When she

:35:01. > :35:04.stands up, the honourable lady representing the Labour Party should

:35:05. > :35:13.inti Kate that support today. THE SPEAKER: Angela e Eagle. Thank

:35:14. > :35:22.you, thank you, Mr Speaker. We look forward to the vote on Trident. And

:35:23. > :35:28.he should get on with it! Mr Speaker, given the overnight news of

:35:29. > :35:32.the French authority's dawn raid on Google investigating allegations of

:35:33. > :35:36.aggravated financial fraud and money laundering, does the Chancellor now

:35:37. > :35:43.regret calling his cosy little tax deal with the same company good news

:35:44. > :35:49.for the British taxpayer? Well, it is good news that we are collecting

:35:50. > :35:57.money in tax from companies that paid no tax when the Labour Party

:35:58. > :36:01.was in office. Sand she seems to forget, she was the exchequer's

:36:02. > :36:06.secretary in the last Government. So, perhaps, when she stands up, she

:36:07. > :36:18.can tell us whether she ever raised with the Inland Revenue at the time,

:36:19. > :36:21.the tax affairs of Google? Mr Speaker, I think obviously the

:36:22. > :36:31.Chancellor has done a bit more research this time. I regard that as

:36:32. > :36:37.a compliment! Mr Speaker, I think from that answer, that the

:36:38. > :36:47.Chancellor is far too easily satisfied with his cosy little tax.

:36:48. > :36:51.I note that even the honourable member for Uxbridge and rice lip

:36:52. > :36:57.labelled this cosy little deal derisory. The British public think

:36:58. > :37:03.it's even worse. Despite all the rhetoric on his watch, the tax gap

:37:04. > :37:07.has actually gone up. His tax deal with the Swiss raised a fraction of

:37:08. > :37:15.the revenue he boasted that it would. And the OBR blaming the lack

:37:16. > :37:21.of resources in Revenue Customs. So why, Mr Speaker, has he sacked

:37:22. > :37:26.11,000 tax staff since 2010? And when is he going to give them the

:37:27. > :37:35.resources they need to do a proper job? Well, we increased resources

:37:36. > :37:40.for the HMRC to tackle tax evasion and avoidance. We've introdeuced a

:37:41. > :37:46.diverted profits tax so companies like Google can't shift their

:37:47. > :37:50.profits offshore nil. We made sure the banks pay a higher tax charge

:37:51. > :37:55.than they ever did under the last Labour Government. I come back to

:37:56. > :38:00.this, she was a Treasury minister, stood at this dispatch box. She's

:38:01. > :38:04.asking me what we've done to tackle tax evasion and tax avoidance. Did

:38:05. > :38:10.she ever raise, as the exchequer secretary, the tax affairs of

:38:11. > :38:17.Google? We should know this before she asks questions of this

:38:18. > :38:26.Government. Mr Speaker... THE SPEAKER: Members must calm

:38:27. > :38:32.themselves! And remain calm. Order! On both sides, they should take the

:38:33. > :38:40.lead from the right honourable and learned gentlemen, the member for

:38:41. > :38:46.Rushcliffe who's always sitting calm in a statistics manlike manner.

:38:47. > :38:52.That's the way to behave. An loo eagle. We all have the greatest

:38:53. > :38:56.respect for the Right Honourable Member for Rushcliffe. The

:38:57. > :39:01.Chancellor of the exchequer will know the exchequer secretary deems

:39:02. > :39:07.with taxes on vices not Google. I did my job in taxing vices when I

:39:08. > :39:13.was in the Treasury. He will be judged on results. He's been in

:39:14. > :39:17.office for six years. With France demanding ten times more from Google

:39:18. > :39:22.than he is, the public will make their own judgment. Mr Speaker,

:39:23. > :39:27.while Labour is campaigning to ensure the UK remains in the

:39:28. > :39:33.European Union because it's the best way to defend rights at work, as

:39:34. > :39:50.well as jobs and prosperity, the party opposite is split right down

:39:51. > :39:54.the middle. And... Mr Speaker, it's descending into vicious acrimony.

:39:55. > :40:00.Last week, the Employment Minister... Last week... Mr Speaker,

:40:01. > :40:05.last week the Employment Minister called for Brexit so there could be

:40:06. > :40:08.a bonfire of workers' rights. Does the Chancellor agree with her or

:40:09. > :40:13.does he agree with Len McCluskey that a vote to stay in the European

:40:14. > :40:22.Union is the best deal for Britain's workers? First of all, she confirmed

:40:23. > :40:29.that when she was in the Treasury, she asked absolutely no questions

:40:30. > :40:35.about the tax affairs of Google. When it comes to the European Union,

:40:36. > :40:41.as she knows, she agree on this, I think it's better Britain remains in

:40:42. > :40:45.the European Union. Why don't we have consensus on other issues, like

:40:46. > :40:50.having an independent nuclear deterrent. Let's have a consensus on

:40:51. > :40:55.supporting businesses rather than disparaging businesses. Let's have a

:40:56. > :40:59.consensus and not piling debts on the next generation but dealing with

:41:00. > :41:07.our deficit. Let's have a consensus the parties in this House should

:41:08. > :41:16.have a credible economic policy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I think he's

:41:17. > :41:21.just agreed with Len McCluskey. The former work and Spences -- Work and

:41:22. > :41:26.Pensions Secretary said this week the Chancellor's Brexit report

:41:27. > :41:29.should not be believed by anyone. He branded the Chancellor Pinnochio

:41:30. > :41:35.with his nose just getting longser and longer with every fib.

:41:36. > :41:40.Meanwhile, the General Secretary to the TUC said the Trish remember's

:41:41. > :41:47.report caves us half a million good reasons to stay in the European

:41:48. > :42:00.Union. Who should the public listen to? I don't think it's any great

:42:01. > :42:06.revelation that different Conservative MPs have different

:42:07. > :42:10.views on the European Union. That's why we're having a referendum.

:42:11. > :42:16.Because this issue does divide parties and families and friends.

:42:17. > :42:24.And we made a commitment in our manifesto that the British people

:42:25. > :42:29.would decide this question. I might just observe, if she wants to talk

:42:30. > :42:33.about divisions in parties, whilst she's sitting here, the leader of

:42:34. > :42:36.the Labour Party is sitting at home wondering whether to impeach the

:42:37. > :42:46.former member of the Labour Party for war crimes. Mr Speaker, I'm glad

:42:47. > :42:50.he agrees with Francis O'Grady. A pitty he can't get half his

:42:51. > :42:54.backbenches and his own party to agree with him. Given that the

:42:55. > :42:59.former Work and Pensions Secretary has just called the Prime Minister

:43:00. > :43:04.disingenuous and the former Tory Mayor of London called him

:43:05. > :43:08.Demmeented, I -- demeanted, I wouldn't talk about Labour splits.

:43:09. > :43:16.He needs to get his own house in order. Following the second

:43:17. > :43:19.omnishambles budget this year, the Chancellor's approval rating have

:43:20. > :43:24.collapse by 80 points amongst his own party. Given he seems to be

:43:25. > :43:28.following a similar career path... Begin he seems to be following a

:43:29. > :43:33.similar career path, isn't it time he turned to Michael Portillo for

:43:34. > :43:37.advice? Last week, the former would be leader said of the Queen's

:43:38. > :43:43.Speech, after 23 years of careful thought about what they would like

:43:44. > :43:51.to do in power... Order. This question will be heard. Those

:43:52. > :43:56.preyting away should cease doing so, it is stupid and counter-productive.

:43:57. > :44:00.After 23 years of careful thought about what they would like to do in

:44:01. > :44:04.power, Michael Portillo said, the answer is nothing. There is nothing

:44:05. > :44:08.they want to do with office or power. The Government has nothing to

:44:09. > :44:15.do, nothing to say and thinks nothing. That's what he said. But

:44:16. > :44:20.even this nothing Queen's Speech has caused a revolt on his own

:44:21. > :44:25.backbenches and caused another U-turn to force the Government to

:44:26. > :44:30.defeat in its legislative programme in 92 years. Mr Speaker... Mr

:44:31. > :44:34.Speaker, doesn't that tell you all you need to know about this Prime

:44:35. > :44:39.Minister and Chancellor? It seems they can't even get their

:44:40. > :44:47.backbenches to vote for them. Nothing without a fight. I tell you

:44:48. > :44:52.what we've done in recent weeks, we've taken another million people

:44:53. > :44:57.out of tax altogether. We have frozen fuel duty. We've cut business

:44:58. > :45:01.rates for small businesses. We've seen the deficit fall by another ?16

:45:02. > :45:07.billion. We delivered a record number of jobs and introduced a

:45:08. > :45:12.national living wage. That's what we've been up to. What have the

:45:13. > :45:17.Labour Party been up to? She talks of ewe turns. They've turned the

:45:18. > :45:23.Labour Party from a party that gave Britain its nuclear deterrent to a

:45:24. > :45:28.pear that wants to scrap it. A party that created the academies programme

:45:29. > :45:33.which now wants to abolish them. A party that once courted businesses

:45:34. > :45:36.now disparages them. The prawn cocktail offences is just plain

:45:37. > :45:39.offensive these days. They've gone from a Labour Party that won

:45:40. > :45:42.elections to a Labour Party that's going to go on losing though

:45:43. > :45:53.elections. Mr Speaker, with 29 days to go

:45:54. > :45:58.before the most important decision in this country has faced in a

:45:59. > :46:03.generation we have a government in utter chaos, split down the middle,

:46:04. > :46:08.at war with itself, the stakes could not be higher and yet this

:46:09. > :46:13.government is at the mercy of its own rebel backbenchers, unable to

:46:14. > :46:17.get their agenda through Parliament, instead of providing the leadership

:46:18. > :46:23.the country needs they are facing a bitter proxy war over the leadership

:46:24. > :46:31.of their party. I noticed that all of the Brexit supporters have been

:46:32. > :46:46.banished from the front bench. CHEERING

:46:47. > :46:52.Well, Mr Speaker... It's nice to see the Justice Secretary here. I think

:46:53. > :46:58.the Chancellor has put the rest of his Brexit colleagues in detention.

:46:59. > :47:02.Instead of providing the leadership the country needs they are fighting

:47:03. > :47:05.a bitter proxy war over the leadership of their own party

:47:06. > :47:12.instead of focusing on the national interest, they are focusing on their

:47:13. > :47:17.narrow self-interest. We need a government that will do the best for

:47:18. > :47:25.Britain. What we've got is a Conservative Party focused only on

:47:26. > :47:29.themselves. CHEERING She talks about our Parliamentary

:47:30. > :47:36.party, let's look at hers. They are like rats deserting a sinking ship.

:47:37. > :47:41.We've got the shadow health minister wants to be the mayor for Liverpool,

:47:42. > :47:45.the member for Bury South wants to be the mayor for Manchester. The

:47:46. > :47:49.shadow leader wants to be the mayor for both cities. When we said we

:47:50. > :47:56.were creating job opportunities, we didn't mean for the whole Shadow

:47:57. > :48:00.Cabinet. They are like a Parliamentary party on day release,

:48:01. > :48:05.are they? When the honourable lady is here, they know the member for

:48:06. > :48:13.Islington will be back and it is four more years of hard labour.

:48:14. > :48:16.Today we are voting on a Queens speech that delivers economic

:48:17. > :48:23.security, protects national security, enhances life chances for

:48:24. > :48:28.the disadvantaged, it doesn't matter who stands at the dispatch box for

:48:29. > :48:32.the Labour Party, these days they are dismantling our defences,

:48:33. > :48:38.wrecking our economy, burdening people with debt and in their own

:48:39. > :48:43.report published this week called Labour Pars future, surprisingly

:48:44. > :48:51.long, they say this, they are becoming increasingly irrelevant to

:48:52. > :49:01.the working people of Britain. CHEERING

:49:02. > :49:13.Thank you, Mr Speaker, what a privilege it is to be called by you.

:49:14. > :49:18.If the Remain campaign has its way, I will have two apply to Jean-Claude

:49:19. > :49:28.Juncker by e-mail to speak. A wonderful example of European, not

:49:29. > :49:32.EU, cooperation. The Fuser Large is built in this country and the wings

:49:33. > :49:39.in Germany. Whether we remain inside or outside the EU will have no

:49:40. > :49:44.affect on this business. As the Chancellor knows, it is trade and

:49:45. > :49:51.hard work of businessmen and women that create jobs and prosperity not

:49:52. > :49:58.politicians and bureaucrats. It is their job is to nurture growth and

:49:59. > :50:12.enterprise... Order! I was looking for? For a question. Does my right

:50:13. > :50:14.honourable friend agree it is to nurture business and not make

:50:15. > :50:22.threats against enterprise and aspiration? Icon plie agree with my

:50:23. > :50:26.honourable friend that jobs and enterprise are created through the

:50:27. > :50:35.ingenuity of private businesses that we should support and nurture in

:50:36. > :50:43.this house. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Lachlan brain is seven

:50:44. > :50:49.years old and he attends the Gaelic medium primary school in Dingwall in

:50:50. > :50:54.the Scottish Highlands. Next week, as the Home Secretary is currently

:50:55. > :51:01.briefing him, the home Department plans to deport him and his family

:51:02. > :51:07.despite the fact that he arrived through a Scottish Government

:51:08. > :51:14.initiative from the Home Office to attract people to live and work in

:51:15. > :51:18.the region. This case has been front page news in Scotland. What does the

:51:19. > :51:25.Chancellor have to say to his family and the community who want him to

:51:26. > :51:30.stay? As I understand it, the family don't meet the immigration criteria.

:51:31. > :51:34.The Home Secretary says she is very happy to write to the Aiton

:51:35. > :51:41.honourable gentleman on the details of the specific case. This has been

:51:42. > :51:46.going on for weeks and that frankly is not good enough. Appeals have

:51:47. > :51:51.been made to the Home Secretary by the First Minister, the local MP,

:51:52. > :51:56.the local MSP, the community, it is wall-to-wall across the media of

:51:57. > :52:00.Scotland and the Chancellor of the Exchequer clearly knew nothing about

:52:01. > :52:08.it. The problem in the Highlands of Scotland is not immigration, it has

:52:09. > :52:15.been emigration. Even at this late stage, knowing nothing about it,

:52:16. > :52:21.speak to the Home Secretary, speak to the Prime Minister and get this

:52:22. > :52:31.sort of -- sorted out. The Home Secretary will write on the details

:52:32. > :52:34.of the case. Can I suggest to the Scottish Nationalists party, they

:52:35. > :52:40.have substantial tax and enterprise powers and if they want to attract

:52:41. > :52:43.people to the Highlands of Scotland, why don't they create an

:52:44. > :52:47.entrepreneurial Scotland that people want to move to from the rest of the

:52:48. > :52:54.United Kingdom where they can grow their business and have a successful

:52:55. > :53:07.life? Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Why is the Chilcott

:53:08. > :53:10.reported not being published before the referendum? Is it because the

:53:11. > :53:14.Prime Minister and the Chancellor don't want the public to be reminded

:53:15. > :53:19.how the government of the day and the establishment are prepared to

:53:20. > :53:23.produce dodgy dossiers, make things up and distort the facts to con the

:53:24. > :53:31.public into supporting something they otherwise wouldn't ahead of the

:53:32. > :53:38.EU referendum? No, because it is an independent report and they decide

:53:39. > :53:45.when to produce it. In the spirit of consensus Mr Speaker, may I say that

:53:46. > :53:49.there are few things that unite the house more than a concentration on

:53:50. > :53:52.the periodic reviews of the boundary commission which has been studied

:53:53. > :53:59.with fierce intensity and covered as eyes. We do note that the electorate

:54:00. > :54:06.of the royal Boehner of Kensington and Chelsea has declined preserver

:54:07. > :54:10.severely -- precipitately and against all logic. Should the Prime

:54:11. > :54:18.Minister be concerned about this and what should he be doing? I thought

:54:19. > :54:25.he was the member of party -- parliament for Ealing. They are

:54:26. > :54:37.drawing up the boundaries and we will see their proposals.

:54:38. > :54:46.Will the Chancellor, Barnardo 's, the oldest children's charity

:54:47. > :54:51.celebrating 150 years of supporting and protecting the honourable

:54:52. > :54:54.children? Does he agree that young people need support beyond the age

:54:55. > :55:00.of 18 to maximise life chances and that the government knew care

:55:01. > :55:05.leavers, and which extends the duty of care to 25 is a fitting way to

:55:06. > :55:10.build an Barnardo 's proud history of giving young people best

:55:11. > :55:15.opportunities in life? I certainly agree with my right honourable

:55:16. > :55:19.friend that Barnardos is a brilliant charity and we should congratulate

:55:20. > :55:22.them on the work that they do. We have huge responsibility to the

:55:23. > :55:27.people in the care of the state and that does not end when they are 18

:55:28. > :55:31.years old. That's why in the Queens speech we are announcing new

:55:32. > :55:35.measures to include support from a personal adviser until they are 25

:55:36. > :55:39.and make sure other bodies like local authorities have care for

:55:40. > :55:43.those people and make sure all the opportunities are brought to their

:55:44. > :55:48.attention. It is part of the life chances strategy that lies at the

:55:49. > :55:52.heart of the Queens speech. The Chancellor wanted a march of the

:55:53. > :55:58.maker. Hundreds of Steelworkers are marching for their future and their

:55:59. > :56:02.communities. Why does the government backed China's bid for market

:56:03. > :56:10.economy status against the interests of the steelworkers? Why does he

:56:11. > :56:13.block tariffs against the interests of steelworkers. When will he put

:56:14. > :56:21.the interests of steelworkers ahead of his own? Of course, our thoughts

:56:22. > :56:27.are with the and their families at very difficult time. If we take a

:56:28. > :56:31.step back, we should all acknowledge that there is a global crisis in the

:56:32. > :56:35.steel industry that tens of thousands of jobs have been lost

:56:36. > :56:42.across Europe alone and many tens of thousands Billy on that. We are

:56:43. > :56:47.taking specific action today to help Tata and the port but works and

:56:48. > :56:50.related works across the country and the Business Secretary has been in

:56:51. > :56:56.India with the First Minister of Wales in a cross-party effort.

:56:57. > :56:59.Nationally, we have taken action to reduce energy charges are an energy

:57:00. > :57:03.intensive industries, we have taken action to make sure there is more

:57:04. > :57:07.flexibility with emission regulations, doing everything we can

:57:08. > :57:11.to help this industry at a very difficult time including making sure

:57:12. > :57:22.there are top tariffs on Chinese dumping and as a result on tariffs

:57:23. > :57:35.on Rebar still, those imports are down 90%. Would the Chancellor

:57:36. > :57:42.comment on the fact that Lord sugar has joined the government as Empress

:57:43. > :57:48.-- enterprise are show that people are abandoning the Labour Party. And

:57:49. > :57:58.can he confirmed that he has no plans for a sugar tax? We have hired

:57:59. > :58:03.Lord Sugar to head enterprise and he will bring knowledge and enterprise.

:58:04. > :58:12.Apparently, he has told the Labour Party, you're fired! I have a

:58:13. > :58:16.14-year-old autistic constituent who got on very well at primary school

:58:17. > :58:23.but since moving to secondary school has found them on compromising,

:58:24. > :58:28.leaving him with special school as his only option. What will the

:58:29. > :58:31.Chancellor do to make sure when the independent expert group looking at

:58:32. > :58:34.initial teacher training reports back that ministers will ensure that

:58:35. > :58:41.specific autism training performs part of their curriculum? I think

:58:42. > :58:44.the honourable lady raises an important issue and I think she will

:58:45. > :58:51.have a lot of sympathy from colleagues around the house. The

:58:52. > :58:55.Education Secretary has raised her concerns and shares her concerns and

:58:56. > :58:59.has raised the issue with the chair of the initial teacher training

:59:00. > :59:05.review Stephen Mundie and her efforts will be to ensure that

:59:06. > :59:11.teacher training supports children with special educational needs,

:59:12. > :59:13.specifically autism, and will recommend how teacher training

:59:14. > :59:25.should cover this in the report which will be published shortly. My

:59:26. > :59:36.local clinical commissioning group are reporting on the report leading

:59:37. > :59:43.to downgrading at Doncaster infirmary. Can we ensure that all

:59:44. > :59:57.bands are on the table and that we must be able to compete with their

:59:58. > :00:02.needs. Any service changes need to be made by the local NHS and they

:00:03. > :00:05.need to be based on clear evidence that they will deliver better

:00:06. > :00:09.outcomes for patients. It's right that these decisions are made by

:00:10. > :00:16.local clinicians rather than politicians but they do need to meet

:00:17. > :00:20.the key tests set out. Public and patient engagement, support from GP

:00:21. > :00:24.commissioners, be based on clinical evidence and consider patient

:00:25. > :00:29.choice. I would expect the local NHS to consider all these in any

:00:30. > :00:34.decision they reach. The House of Commons library estimates that 4.9

:00:35. > :00:39.million UK citizens live or work in other countries and yet week in,

:00:40. > :00:45.week out I meet constituents from overseas that cannot get visas,

:00:46. > :00:50.residences or citizenship here and the whole of Scotland is outrage at

:00:51. > :00:54.the threat of deportation for the Brain family. What is the difference

:00:55. > :01:01.between an economic migrant and an expat? The honourable gentleman and

:01:02. > :01:06.straights that we do have border controls in this country and we do

:01:07. > :01:11.have immigration rules that need to be complied with. That is a very

:01:12. > :01:16.important part of the European Union Schengen area agreements that we are

:01:17. > :01:22.not part. It is of the special status we have in the European

:01:23. > :01:28.Union. Would the Chancellor join me in welcoming the crew of HMS Duncan,

:01:29. > :01:33.the last of the type 45 destroyers presently moored in London for the

:01:34. > :01:37.Battle of Jutland commemorations. Would he support the work that the

:01:38. > :01:41.all-party group is doing to ensure all Armed Forces and their families

:01:42. > :01:48.have the very best housing that we can offer them? I absolutely join

:01:49. > :01:52.her in welcoming the crew of HMS Duncan and celebrating all they do

:01:53. > :01:56.on behalf of this country to keep us safe and to represent Britain around

:01:57. > :02:03.the world and of course we return them a duty of care and that is

:02:04. > :02:07.enshrined in government. That didn't exist before we came into government

:02:08. > :02:16.and we are honouring our promise to honour the armed services and our

:02:17. > :02:20.Navy. This government wants to raise tuition fees even higher. Why has

:02:21. > :02:23.the Chancellor changed his view since 2003 when he said that you

:02:24. > :02:32.wish and fees were attacks on learning? Back then, the Labour

:02:33. > :02:42.Party were voting for Jewish and fees and the difference is, we

:02:43. > :02:48.learned our lesson and they have forgotten theirs. -- tuition fees.

:02:49. > :02:55.This has given us the best universities in the world and the

:02:56. > :02:59.record number of students from disadvantaged backgrounds. They have

:03:00. > :03:04.an incredible policy to abolish tuition fees that they introduced

:03:05. > :03:09.and create a ?10 billion hole in the public finances. It's time they were

:03:10. > :03:21.straight with students that it is completely unavoidable.

:03:22. > :03:27.St Albans and many areas of the South and East need their green

:03:28. > :03:32.belt, 3 million people might come into this country if we remain.

:03:33. > :03:37.Which parts of the green belt will be needed to build on and where will

:03:38. > :03:43.it go? We need to provide houses, homes and infrastructure for these

:03:44. > :03:47.people. We made a clear commitment to protect the green belt and our

:03:48. > :03:53.planning laws that we introduced and proposed to introduce do meet those

:03:54. > :03:58.laws but I have to say to my honourable friend, we disagree on

:03:59. > :04:06.this issue on European union membership and I see no particular

:04:07. > :04:10.evidence from the Leave campaign that more people would come in.

:04:11. > :04:14.Let's agree on this, we have a referendum and it is not going to be

:04:15. > :04:23.up to her or me but the British people to desired. -- decide. No

:04:24. > :04:28.wonder should underestimate public support for the BBC. 200,000 people

:04:29. > :04:35.have signed a petition over the removal of the recipes website. The

:04:36. > :04:40.government may have held back from some more extreme proposals but

:04:41. > :04:44.there is still a need for concern. Will they allow MPs to provide

:04:45. > :04:53.Parliamentary scrutiny that the charter renewal so Rob Lee deserves?

:04:54. > :04:59.We want a great public broadcaster. We have agreed a deal with the BBC

:05:00. > :05:03.that they have welcomed. On the specific issue she raises, that was

:05:04. > :05:09.an operational decision by the BBC and not a decision taken by the

:05:10. > :05:16.government. We have a great national public broadcaster in the BBC. We

:05:17. > :05:20.don't want a newspaper in the form of the BBC. As newspapers move

:05:21. > :05:25.online, the BBC want to be careful about what information they have on

:05:26. > :05:32.their website so we can also have a flourishing private press. I think

:05:33. > :05:36.the BBC have got that balance right. Will the Chancellor, firm and

:05:37. > :05:43.explain as the House of Commons library and the ONS figures for 2015

:05:44. > :05:49.clearly show that as we export 44% of goods and services within the

:05:50. > :05:55.single market, why it is that in relation to the other 27 member

:05:56. > :06:00.states we run a disastrous loss or deficit on these exports of 68

:06:01. > :06:06.billion per annum, up 9 billion from last year alone whereas Germany with

:06:07. > :06:13.the same 27 runs a profit or surplus of a massive 82 billion. Isn't that

:06:14. > :06:22.a bad deal? We are a massive exporter of services and they

:06:23. > :06:26.represent a 80% of the economy. We are home to one of the most

:06:27. > :06:31.successful car industries in the world and we export to the

:06:32. > :06:35.continent. We are part of the European Supply chain and that is

:06:36. > :06:40.why leading businesses are in favour of is remaining in the European

:06:41. > :06:43.Union. We disagree on this issue and that is why together we stood on the

:06:44. > :06:54.manifesto to have a referendum and let the people decide. Thank you, Mr

:06:55. > :06:57.Speaker. Headteachers, NHS, private-sector employers in my

:06:58. > :07:03.constituency are telling me they have few if any qualified applicants

:07:04. > :07:07.for a range of skilled roles and too many experienced staff are leaving.

:07:08. > :07:12.The single most common reason for this crisis is the cost of rental

:07:13. > :07:16.and purchase housing in west London which the government's housing

:07:17. > :07:25.policies will not addressed. Even the subsidies to buy... Order!

:07:26. > :07:29.Order! I'm sorry to say to the honourable lady, one sentence with a

:07:30. > :07:35.question at the end of it and we must press on. Will the Chancellor

:07:36. > :07:42.acknowledge this recruitment and retention crisis and do something

:07:43. > :07:45.about it? We have 25,000 more clinically trained staff in our

:07:46. > :07:50.national health service but we agree with her that there is a challenge

:07:51. > :07:54.of housing in London. I met with Sadik Khan earlier this week and we

:07:55. > :08:01.are going to see where we can agree with others is that can address that

:08:02. > :08:05.issue. In my right honourable friend's enthusiast and to bludgeon

:08:06. > :08:10.the voter into supporting the European Union that they don't

:08:11. > :08:17.really like, how can he justify planning to break the law? Is he

:08:18. > :08:22.aware that the public Administration select committee has now published

:08:23. > :08:32.three legal opinions from Speaker's Council, from... THEY TALK OVER EACH

:08:33. > :08:36.OTHER I hope the sentence is coming to an

:08:37. > :08:46.end with a question at the end of it. Very briefly. They make it

:08:47. > :08:49.perfectly clear that it is illegal for the government to keep their

:08:50. > :08:59.pro-EU propaganda on the government website during the third period.

:09:00. > :09:04.Turing the period, the government will comply with the law. Can I make

:09:05. > :09:08.a general observation. We have fought for the referendum which is

:09:09. > :09:16.taking place with huge issues at stake about Britain's economy,

:09:17. > :09:21.Britain's security and place in the world. Let's debate the substance

:09:22. > :09:24.rather than the process and then the British people will feel they have

:09:25. > :09:32.had a range of opinions and they can make their own mind up. The care

:09:33. > :09:35.sector faces a crisis made worse by the failure of the Chancellor to

:09:36. > :09:41.properly fund increases in the minimum wage. Local government

:09:42. > :09:46.Association has asked the Chancellor to bring forward ?700 million of

:09:47. > :09:51.care funding from 2019 to this year and next year to help with those

:09:52. > :09:57.extra costs. Will the Chancellor listen to local councils and form

:09:58. > :10:01.his own minimum wage policy? Of course we always listen to local

:10:02. > :10:06.authorities and we have given them the power which many have used to

:10:07. > :10:11.apply a social care precept and that has come in in April in many areas.

:10:12. > :10:15.At the same time, we have put more money into the better care fund and

:10:16. > :10:22.we are confident that social care is funded. More needs to be done to

:10:23. > :10:25.help the social care sector and the key is going to be integration with

:10:26. > :10:28.the national health service in the coming years so it is much more

:10:29. > :10:33.seamless as a service for our citizens. Last year at the

:10:34. > :10:39.Conservative Party conference, the Prime Minister said that the future,

:10:40. > :10:45.for we the state provided was shameful. The Dell or early grave on

:10:46. > :10:50.the streets. Yesterday the Prison Reform Trust produced a report

:10:51. > :10:54.identifying that far too high a proportion of children in care come

:10:55. > :11:03.in touch with the criminal justice system. Will he ensure that policies

:11:04. > :11:06.are implemented that prevents the unnecessary contact between the

:11:07. > :11:12.criminal justice system and children in care so that they can have a good

:11:13. > :11:16.future? I think he speaks very powerfully and, of course, we've got

:11:17. > :11:29.to have a care system that does the very best for children. The Queens

:11:30. > :11:33.speech has measures in that respect. The key thing is reforming our

:11:34. > :11:36.prison system so that people are punished for crimes but have a

:11:37. > :11:42.chance to rehabilitate themselves and that is one of the reforms I am

:11:43. > :11:45.proudest to be part of. A Southampton letting agency has been

:11:46. > :11:50.banned from trading for three years for not giving tenants their

:11:51. > :11:59.deposits back and using them for other purposes. The situation as far

:12:00. > :12:04.as letting agencies is concerned is that they are almost completely

:12:05. > :12:08.regulated and it is potluck as to whether residents get a fey deal or

:12:09. > :12:15.not. Is the Chancellor planning to do anything about this? We are

:12:16. > :12:19.looking to make sure that people who rent are getting proper consumer

:12:20. > :12:38.protection including from landlords who unreasonably withhold deposits.

:12:39. > :12:45.It was the Chancellor and Angela Eagle for Labour. Labour decided to

:12:46. > :12:49.go on this raid on the Google offices by the French tax

:12:50. > :12:56.authorities who are trying to get over a billion pounds out of

:12:57. > :13:01.auto-Google compared to the arrangement come to with Google in

:13:02. > :13:05.the UK which net HMRC about ?130 million. There was a bit of Argy

:13:06. > :13:11.bargey on that. The Chancellor wanted to anyhow what Miss Eagle had

:13:12. > :13:16.done when she was a Treasury minister on Google. He couldn't

:13:17. > :13:21.quite get an answer. Whether it was irrelevant. Banting back and

:13:22. > :13:25.forward. Not that much substance. Some of the longest-winded questions

:13:26. > :13:30.of modern time from the backbenchers there. This was the House of Commons

:13:31. > :13:34.in search of a question mark. Very often it didn't find that particular

:13:35. > :13:42.question mark. We'll go through in a second. We'll find out first of all

:13:43. > :13:49.what the voters thought of it. Francs Edwards said enAngela Eagle

:13:50. > :13:54.is the cleverist and wittiest. On-Maxwell said who on earth in the

:13:55. > :13:59.Labour opposition put Miss Eagle forward. What an embarrassing

:14:00. > :14:02.performance. Paula said George Osborne said there were different

:14:03. > :14:07.points of view on Europe in the Conservative Party. That's why we're

:14:08. > :14:12.having a referendum. Is that a good enough reason for this turmoil for

:14:13. > :14:18.months on end. All we are getting these days are long pre-prepared

:14:19. > :14:24.statements. Jim Pattinson said are there any questions in PMQs. Some me

:14:25. > :14:28.andered. Went up a cul-de-sac and came back down. Found another

:14:29. > :14:32.cul-de-sac. Fell over a precipice and still couldn't get the question

:14:33. > :14:35.mark. Laura, let me ask you a question that has a very quick

:14:36. > :14:39.question mark. Why was the Chancellor going on about Trident?

:14:40. > :14:42.He couldn't resist the opportunity when he was at the dispatch box at

:14:43. > :14:47.Prime Minister's Questions to pry to make an awkward point for the Labour

:14:48. > :14:53.Party. One of the things not noticed about the Queen's Speech last week

:14:54. > :14:59.which was roundly attacked for having nothing in it, also by

:15:00. > :15:03.Michael Portillo, there was in it a commitment to press ahead with plans

:15:04. > :15:07.for friedent. That, for the Labour Party, as we know, is a very tricky

:15:08. > :15:12.issue. The leader of the party wants to try to get rid of it. He's having

:15:13. > :15:15.a defence review he pretty much hopes will come up with that

:15:16. > :15:19.recommendation. Many, many backbenchers and the big powerful

:15:20. > :15:25.unions disagree with him. George Osborne in shock move to try to

:15:26. > :15:29.embarrass Labour Party when in big profile moment at dispatch box.

:15:30. > :15:34.Angela Eagle does well at these sort of events. She's good on her feet.

:15:35. > :15:39.Not as good as she was last time though? She wasn't a bit more

:15:40. > :15:42.long-winded. It is quite extraordinary, this is the first

:15:43. > :15:46.Prime Minister's Question Time setting after a Queen's Speech. It

:15:47. > :15:51.reflected there was nothing in the Queen's Speech. None of the

:15:52. > :15:56.questions were really going at the substance. Both sides are

:15:57. > :16:01.struggling. Normally angle will is a punchy. She has a good turn of

:16:02. > :16:07.phrase. Why have you hired Alan surer to do what? He's going to be

:16:08. > :16:12.an enterprise Tsar. Works with the business department. Always good to

:16:13. > :16:16.get people from outside in to the business department. We brought

:16:17. > :16:21.people in to make sure you have had people in business helping with the

:16:22. > :16:24.department to make sure the civil servants and many of whom haven't

:16:25. > :16:30.been in business, know what it's like. He'll have to step down from

:16:31. > :16:37.presenting The Apprentice? Not sure of the details of his contract with

:16:38. > :16:41.his broadcasters. In 2009 when Gordon Brown made an Enterprise Tsar

:16:42. > :16:47.said in my view it is not possible for him to continue to present The

:16:48. > :16:52.Apprentice when so closely identified with the Government. I

:16:53. > :16:58.had thought he would stand down in his role of Apprentice. He's made no

:16:59. > :17:05.secret for his admiration of Gordon Brown. Is this window dressing? I

:17:06. > :17:10.his arrangement last time is to carry on on The Apprentice and also

:17:11. > :17:16.advise the Government. So it's window dressing? If he was a proper

:17:17. > :17:20.member of the Government he can't present a BBC programme? He will not

:17:21. > :17:25.be a minister. He'll support the Government and business department.

:17:26. > :17:30.To do what? To make sure we've an environment for enterprise. This is

:17:31. > :17:34.a man who repeatedly meets business people, entrepreneurs, trying to get

:17:35. > :17:39.businesses going. And making sure the business department sets the

:17:40. > :17:46.environment for enterprise. A key part of delivering what we want. He

:17:47. > :17:50.said not so long ago, George Osborne hasn't got a handle on economics.

:17:51. > :17:55.You will you'll see the results. It is not me you have to convince, it's

:17:56. > :18:01.Alan Sugar you've just hired. He's clearly come on board. That's good

:18:02. > :18:05.news. Has he changed his mind? You'll have to ask him that. Is he

:18:06. > :18:12.the only businessman you know? Is he the only businessman you know?

:18:13. > :18:16.Definitely not. I wondered why you politicians have been so obsessed by

:18:17. > :18:21.him. What was his greatest business achievement? He start add long time

:18:22. > :18:27.ago. We all started a long time ago. You did, Andrew. What's his greatest

:18:28. > :18:33.business achievement? He started in tech in the eighties. He started in

:18:34. > :18:37.property. How did that go? He's involved in meeting all sorts of

:18:38. > :18:42.business people. What's been his greatest business achievement. If

:18:43. > :18:46.he's such a great entrepreneur and advise you on enterprise what has he

:18:47. > :18:56.achieved? We've a whole series of business people in. You've only one

:18:57. > :18:59.Tsar. Not true. For enterprise? We'd two a year, entrepreneurs in

:19:00. > :19:02.residence. People who come in to business to make sure there's a

:19:03. > :19:06.voice inside the business department. Sometimes on this

:19:07. > :19:13.programme, you can have too much fun! I'm sure it has nothing to do

:19:14. > :19:17.with the fact that Lord Sugar was happy to associate himself with the

:19:18. > :19:22.Labour Party and recently said he's no longer happen why I to associate

:19:23. > :19:26.himself with the Labour Party. I would say, these things often don't

:19:27. > :19:31.end well. We've seen it plenty of times. Gordon Brown did it. Other

:19:32. > :19:35.politicians did it. You bring in people with a high profile with the

:19:36. > :19:40.public or in their own sector. They come into Government. Sometimes do

:19:41. > :19:46.good work. They sometimes don't do much at all. Then they flounce out,

:19:47. > :19:50.point fingers and is a, that lot don't no what they are doing at all.

:19:51. > :19:55.I've better things to do. There are already big names from business

:19:56. > :20:00.inside the Government. Jim O'Neill, former Goldman Sachs. The former

:20:01. > :20:04.bottom of BT is Trade Minister. The idea the Government has to be seen

:20:05. > :20:11.to bring in business expertise seems a little bit hard to fathom. It's

:20:12. > :20:15.not that we have. We choose to. We've brought Mark Price in to do

:20:16. > :20:21.the Trade Minister job are. But that's a job. This is too. It's not

:20:22. > :20:25.paid, is it? It's important constantly to make sure the

:20:26. > :20:31.Government ask supporting this country. This must be a devastating

:20:32. > :20:37.blow to the Labour Party? The loss of Alan Sugar? Yes. I'm trying to

:20:38. > :20:42.come to terms with it. Shall we dim the lights and move on?

:20:43. > :20:49., I just say, you're fired! I've been wanting to say that. Who are

:20:50. > :20:53.you saying it to? She's an indiscriminate firer. Thanks, Laura.

:20:54. > :20:55.A group of ex-military chiefs have today declared that Britain's

:20:56. > :20:58.defence and security would be enhanced by leaving the EU.

:20:59. > :21:00.Under the banner Veterans For Europe,

:21:01. > :21:05.they warn that the UK is on an irreversible path towards an EU army

:21:06. > :21:11.The dozen former senior military officers include

:21:12. > :21:13.Major General Tim Cross who was commander of UK Forces

:21:14. > :21:16.in Iraq, and he joins us now from College Green.

:21:17. > :21:24.Welcome to the programme. How does our membership of the EU lessen, as

:21:25. > :21:30.has been said, our commitment to NATO? It draws us into what is an

:21:31. > :21:34.inevitable EU military union within the EU which has been declared in a

:21:35. > :21:39.number of different treaties, including the Treaty of Lisbon. Of

:21:40. > :21:44.course, we are fully integrated already in the EU military staff. In

:21:45. > :21:47.the EU defence agency, even though the Prime Minister said in 2010 he

:21:48. > :21:52.was going to leave the EU defence agency. And the EU battle group we

:21:53. > :21:57.saw exercising in England last week. I'll ask you again. How does it

:21:58. > :22:02.lessen our commitment to NATO? Why can't we be part of both, the EU and

:22:03. > :22:08.NATO? It competes with NATO. France and Germany... In what way? It draws

:22:09. > :22:12.money from NATO. No European Government is going to expend more

:22:13. > :22:17.defence money that it is already spending. Quite the reverse, in

:22:18. > :22:21.fact. They'll building an EU military unit. A lot of money going

:22:22. > :22:28.into NATO will go into that EU military union. That will be

:22:29. > :22:31.concerning to the Americans. Barack Obama was in Germany telling Angela

:22:32. > :22:36.Merkel she had to pay another moo NATO. They are already worried by

:22:37. > :22:39.the amount that goes into NATO. When the Americans realise what will

:22:40. > :22:44.happen with EU military, they will begin to draw back from NATO as

:22:45. > :22:49.well. That's the one alliance that's kept the UK and Europe safe since

:22:50. > :22:54.the Second World War. Not the EU. But the UK Government is still very

:22:55. > :22:59.committed to NATO as are other members. How would our defence

:23:00. > :23:04.Cabibility and defence security improve if we left the EU? On the

:23:05. > :23:10.security front, what currently happens, we have to allow any EU

:23:11. > :23:14.citizen to come into the UK. To freely chaff here. We can check

:23:15. > :23:18.their passports. We have to let them in unless we can prove conclusively

:23:19. > :23:25.they present an immediate threat to the life and livelihood of the UK.

:23:26. > :23:32.We are not part of the Schengen area in this sense. We are not part of

:23:33. > :23:37.Schengen. We have to let them in unless they are a direct threat.

:23:38. > :23:44.That's often based on secret enEU intelligence. If leave the EU we can

:23:45. > :23:48.prevent them coming. People who have fought with Islamic State in Syria

:23:49. > :23:54.and Iraq. Having all these large number of people coming in puts our

:23:55. > :23:58.intelligence service under stress. Do you accept many of the threats

:23:59. > :24:02.from terrorism have come from people who were British-born and who are

:24:03. > :24:07.already here? I do accept that. That's very true. We don't want to

:24:08. > :24:10.add to that problem by continuing to allow those people who threaten us

:24:11. > :24:16.to come into the UK from Europe if we can stop them. We can't stop them

:24:17. > :24:20.now. Let me just go back to you. On NATO, is our commitment to NATO as

:24:21. > :24:26.Richard Kemp says, being affected by staying in the EU and moves towards

:24:27. > :24:31.military union? No, there will not be an EU army. Those fears can be

:24:32. > :24:37.put to one side. Not least evidence by the vast majority of the security

:24:38. > :24:41.of recently retired security and military senior personnel who

:24:42. > :24:45.support our remaining in the EU alongside staying in NATO as part of

:24:46. > :24:49.our security. It is very important. We're going to have to leave there.

:24:50. > :24:51.Richard Kemp, thank you. Now we talked earlier

:24:52. > :24:53.about the Remain campaign's attempts Leave.EU, which you will remember

:24:54. > :24:59.was the group that lost out in the race to become

:25:00. > :25:01.the official leave campaign, said it wanted to reach out

:25:02. > :25:04.to the youth vote with its Bpop Live event

:25:05. > :25:06.in Birmingham. after a concert planned

:25:07. > :25:11.for earlier this year had to be

:25:12. > :25:13.cancelled when the headline act, Yesterday, soon after

:25:14. > :25:18.the line-up was publicised, The boyband 5ive -

:25:19. > :25:20.which actually now only consists of two of the band -

:25:21. > :25:22.pulled out, deeming it more a political rally

:25:23. > :25:25.than a pop concert. The idea of appearing

:25:26. > :25:27.at the event alongside political figures including Nigel Farage

:25:28. > :25:29.also didn't appeal in the end to singer Alesha Dixon,

:25:30. > :25:31.who also pulled out. and the line-up still,

:25:32. > :25:36.as best as we can establish, and the American group

:25:37. > :25:52.Sister Sledge. Well, to discuss this

:25:53. > :25:58.we're joined by the former He's had his own problems

:25:59. > :26:02.with mixing music and politics after releasing and then withdrawing

:26:03. > :26:11.his Ukip Calypso song in 2014. What do you make of all this? It is

:26:12. > :26:18.interesting Obama didn't mention that the American people wanted us

:26:19. > :26:25.to remain. He didn't mention Sister Sledge. Maybe they don't know. If I

:26:26. > :26:30.had ebeen running, I'd have targeted people who were vote Leave leave.

:26:31. > :26:35.Roger Daltrey is vote Leave leave. I would have targeted them to go it.

:26:36. > :26:41.Who else other than Roger Daltrey? Ian Botham on a singing day! I

:26:42. > :26:46.thought cricket was his thing. #2348 He sings with his bat. I wouldn't

:26:47. > :26:53.argue with him. You'd get people who were pro-vote. It is a bit more

:26:54. > :26:58.sensible. When you're doing Live Aid you're getting people sympathetic to

:26:59. > :27:02.Live Aid. If you're singing we shall overcome the civil rights movement.

:27:03. > :27:05.You get people interested in it. Probably not Bob Dylan for this

:27:06. > :27:11.concert? Probably not for this. I don't know. If the money was right.

:27:12. > :27:17.Mick Jagger would do it for money? He didn't ask me or you. Probably

:27:18. > :27:22.because he's heard me sing. It's easier on the left to organise these

:27:23. > :27:29.things most singers art easts would like the identify with the left.

:27:30. > :27:39.They've done that before. It was done in 1987-1990. Paul Weller, the

:27:40. > :27:44.Commune Ards. Billy Bragg. Probably a mistake for Ukip to do this? This

:27:45. > :27:57.is cross-party. A vote Leave leave. No, it's not actually. It is a

:27:58. > :28:03.Leave. EU. This is another a Ukip kind of one? Am I right in saying

:28:04. > :28:06.that? From what I can gayer Gombault it is not vote Leave leave. It will

:28:07. > :28:12.be in Birmingham. Are you going to go? It is up the road. It is the

:28:13. > :28:23.Jude Ian people's front not the people's Jude Ian front. Who's left?

:28:24. > :28:36.Sister Sledge. Mike, bash that red button. The

:28:37. > :28:40.Mike, thanks for being on. Sorry it was so rushed.

:28:41. > :28:43.The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.

:28:44. > :28:45.Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow

:28:46. > :28:47.with all the big political stories of the day.

:28:48. > :28:49.We'll be joined by Iain Duncan Smith.

:28:50. > :28:55.Do join us if you can. Bye-bye.