:00:38. > :00:42.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:43. > :00:43.The Conservative leadership race has been turned
:00:44. > :00:47.Frontrunner Boris Johnson now faces a challenge
:00:48. > :00:56.Mr Gove sensationally threw his hat in the ring hours before
:00:57. > :01:00.Boris Johnson was due to make his launch, saying he hopes
:01:01. > :01:05.So, what does it do to the chances of Boris Johnson?
:01:06. > :01:09.Several key supporters have peeled away from the former Mayor of London
:01:10. > :01:13.but he's still pushing ahead with his leadership launch.
:01:14. > :01:17.Meanwhile, Theresa May has also launched her leadership bid this
:01:18. > :01:19.morning, saying Brexit means Brexit and that,
:01:20. > :01:26.there won't be a snap election before 2020.
:01:27. > :01:30.And talking of challenges, Angela Eagle is expected to announce
:01:31. > :01:32.she's taking on Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership.
:01:33. > :01:47.Yes, we will try and cram all that in to the next 30 minutes.
:01:48. > :01:51.Let's kick off with the extraordinary news this morning
:01:52. > :01:54.that Michael Gove has thrown his hat in to the ring to be the next
:01:55. > :02:01.Mr Gove said he had originally hoped to back Boris Johnson,
:02:02. > :02:04.but in a statement this morning the Justice Secretary says he has
:02:05. > :02:06.come to the conclusion that, "Boris cannot
:02:07. > :02:07.provide the leadership or
:02:08. > :02:17.Mr Johnson is due to launch his beard in half an hour.
:02:18. > :02:20.So, before we discuss what all this means for the race to replace
:02:21. > :02:28.David Cameron, let's take a look at the main runners and riders.
:02:29. > :02:31.Yesterday the first to declare themselves formally were Work
:02:32. > :02:34.and Pensions Secretary, Stephen Crabb.
:02:35. > :02:37.And former defence secretary Liam Fox, an MP on the right
:02:38. > :02:39.of the party who's well-liked by the grass-roots.
:02:40. > :02:41.This morning Teresa May, the longest serving Home Secretary
:02:42. > :02:44.of modern times, launched her bid, as did Leave campaigner and Energy
:02:45. > :02:49.And in a surprise move, so did Justice Secretary Michael Gove.
:02:50. > :03:02.But with nominations closing in less than
:03:03. > :03:08.an hour, we could also see Education Secretary
:03:09. > :03:10.Nicky Morgan, Remain campaigner and current
:03:11. > :03:12.Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, And backbencher John Baron
:03:13. > :03:15.And last but definitely not least, Boris Johnson will be
:03:16. > :03:17.announcing his intentions in the next few minutes.
:03:18. > :03:20.Out of them all, Teresa May is the current bookies' favourite,
:03:21. > :03:24.We have immediate work to do to restore political stability
:03:25. > :03:26.and economic certainty, to bring together the party
:03:27. > :03:31.a sensible and orderly departure from the European Union.
:03:32. > :03:34.But more than that, we have a mission to make Britain
:03:35. > :03:40.Not for the privileged and not for the few,
:03:41. > :03:45.And, together, we, the Conservative Party,
:03:46. > :03:54.I'm joined by a bevy of Conservative MPs who are backing
:03:55. > :04:08.Dominic Raab is backing Michael Gove.
:04:09. > :04:11.Alan Duncan is backing Theresa May and Steve Baker will join us
:04:12. > :04:13.from the Boris Johnson launch in central London.
:04:14. > :04:19.Yesterday my team phoned you to appear today as a backer of Boris
:04:20. > :04:25.Johnson but today you are backing Michael Gove. 24 hours is a long
:04:26. > :04:29.time in British politics. What happened? Firstly, Michael Gove is
:04:30. > :04:33.the right leader for two reasons, he can speak to the aspirational
:04:34. > :04:39.underdog in society, the kid from the council estate, from the humble
:04:40. > :04:42.backgrounds, and that is the key thing, social mobility, that the
:04:43. > :04:47.Conservatives have to do, to add to our economic message. When it comes
:04:48. > :04:50.to the crucial Brexit negotiation, we need somebody with the passion
:04:51. > :04:55.and the mastery of the detail. He combines both. You are saying that
:04:56. > :05:00.Boris Johnson lacked those things and that changed your mind? We were
:05:01. > :05:07.striving, struggling for a long time to make sure not just that there was
:05:08. > :05:11.a dream ticket, Gove Johnson, but a Dream Team. From my point of view,
:05:12. > :05:16.the single most important thing about signing up, because we need to
:05:17. > :05:20.unify the country and the party. Efforts went on and we had certain
:05:21. > :05:24.reassurances about the team that were treated in a rather cavalier
:05:25. > :05:28.fashion. You can see this morning, the outcome of that. I'm not going
:05:29. > :05:31.to get into any more of the Westminster tittle tattle but
:05:32. > :05:37.putting together a really strong unifying theme was a absolute
:05:38. > :05:41.condition and when that fell away, Michael felt actually that things
:05:42. > :05:45.have changed. It isn't tittle tattle to ask who fell away or who did
:05:46. > :05:51.Boris Johnson not promise to give jobs to in a Boris Johnson Cabinet.
:05:52. > :05:57.Again, I'm going to be careful what I say, conversations I had, but the
:05:58. > :06:01.key thing is that if you look at the full range of candidates, some of
:06:02. > :06:04.them were not expected. People we wanted to have an side are now
:06:05. > :06:10.running in their own right. We thought we had avoided that and had
:06:11. > :06:14.a unified team but it didn't happen because Boris was cavalier with the
:06:15. > :06:18.assurances he made. I'm going to let others comment on that but we are
:06:19. > :06:22.going to move quickly and say that this is the reality, we are picking
:06:23. > :06:26.a Prime Minister, not school prefect. The membership and the
:06:27. > :06:29.parliamentary party need the wisest choice and they must make the right
:06:30. > :06:35.choice. Michael Gove, the man you are backing, was an integral part of
:06:36. > :06:41.Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign. He persuaded Boris Johnson
:06:42. > :06:47.to come out for Leave at a time when he was still considering what to do.
:06:48. > :06:53.This is a huge betrayal of Boris Johnson, from the very man who said,
:06:54. > :06:57.come with me, we can do this, and actually Boris Johnson motivated the
:06:58. > :07:01.country to leave. We had a strong team but if I may say, it is very
:07:02. > :07:06.Westminster bubble to think this is about individual personalities. You
:07:07. > :07:09.just said we can't have a school prefect, we need somebody to leave
:07:10. > :07:14.the country. This choice is so important that even at the 11th
:07:15. > :07:17.hour, you must get it right. The point is about the team, teamwork
:07:18. > :07:22.and people fulfilling their assurances. It is right to say that
:07:23. > :07:27.Michael Gove has come in at the 11th hour and he will be the underdog. He
:07:28. > :07:30.is also the underdog fighting for the underdog, if you look what he
:07:31. > :07:35.achieved in schools and his social message, which is what we need. Are
:07:36. > :07:42.you saying, and can you explain that Michael Gove, we know from his wife,
:07:43. > :07:45.we know that she said to her husband that he must get assurances about
:07:46. > :07:50.jobs when he discusses this with Boris Johnson and before he signed
:07:51. > :07:55.up to his leadership. Is that what happened, he and you couldn't get
:07:56. > :07:59.the assurance? It wasn't to do with his position, it was making sure
:08:00. > :08:04.that assurances were given, not specific jobs, pork barrel. George
:08:05. > :08:09.Osborne and others? You can work it out when you look at the runners and
:08:10. > :08:12.riders. We hoped for a unified team and the assurances were not followed
:08:13. > :08:16.through. It wasn't about what Michael wanted for him, it was about
:08:17. > :08:20.the team. Boris couldn't give assurances to some of the people who
:08:21. > :08:25.are now putting their hats into the ring for the leadership? That's
:08:26. > :08:29.right. Theresa May has held her press conference and she has stood
:08:30. > :08:33.and she is standing on a platform in contrast to Boris Johnson, who she
:08:34. > :08:44.saw, until now, as her chief rival. How can a Remain supporter be the
:08:45. > :08:47.leader when most Tories voted for Leave? The stark contrast she offers
:08:48. > :08:52.is the contrast between stability and if you like, chaos. Clearly
:08:53. > :08:56.there has been a bust up here, I'm not really interested in that.
:08:57. > :08:59.Having been to her launch, everyone was impressed by the stability,
:09:00. > :09:06.competence, the drive that will address the problems following the
:09:07. > :09:11.European referendum, but also the broader challenges of being the
:09:12. > :09:14.Prime Minister, domestic policy, bringing people together again, she
:09:15. > :09:20.has a very inclusive and liberal agenda. She is very tough when it
:09:21. > :09:25.comes to it, like chucking out Abu Qatada, things like that. She is the
:09:26. > :09:31.own person. She doesn't do any stitch up deals behind the scenes,
:09:32. > :09:37.it is just her, you get what you see, no promises, no little deals in
:09:38. > :09:42.smoke-filled rooms. You get what you and she is fit to do the job. I can
:09:43. > :09:44.tell you that Jeremy Hunt is now not going to stand, he is backing
:09:45. > :09:50.Theresa May. You may have been expecting that. That is very good,
:09:51. > :09:56.that is important for the kind of broad, inclusive... The is also a
:09:57. > :10:03.remainder come on the same side that Theresa May was. -- he is. As
:10:04. > :10:08.Dominic Raab said, people will be expecting somebody to lead the party
:10:09. > :10:14.whom they can trust, to handle those Brexit negotiations. Is Theresa May
:10:15. > :10:17.the woman to do that? Firstly, being the Prime Minister is not just about
:10:18. > :10:24.the referendum, but the consequences are crucial. She will set up a
:10:25. > :10:26.dedicated Brexit Department with a Secretary of State, permanent
:10:27. > :10:32.secretary and a full negotiating team. Who would you like it to be?
:10:33. > :10:38.It will be led by somebody who was a lever. Very sensible proposal,
:10:39. > :10:41.broadly answering the questions people may have about the
:10:42. > :10:44.negotiations being in the hands of people who might have had an
:10:45. > :10:50.alternative agenda. I think that's reassuring, sensible. Inclusive but
:10:51. > :10:55.practical. There isn't anything that should stop Theresa May appealing to
:10:56. > :10:58.the party. If you take the bookies and the favourite at the moment, it
:10:59. > :11:05.is Theresa May and that is with the members. I'm not here to knock
:11:06. > :11:07.Theresa. You think she would be a good Conservative by Minister?
:11:08. > :11:16.ALL TALK AT ONCE. Villa I went through four is of the campaign
:11:17. > :11:20.without bad-mouthing anybody and I went through the campaign with
:11:21. > :11:25.people telling me, the pundits and the polls, that I've got it wrong.
:11:26. > :11:30.If I look at what the country needs, it is vision, especially the
:11:31. > :11:36.aspirational message, principal and energy. Somebody who can unite. I
:11:37. > :11:39.think that the United team must come from the Brexit side although that's
:11:40. > :11:44.not the most important thing. It is more likely to happen. Michael has
:11:45. > :11:49.got the ability to galvanise the energy and also the team. But
:11:50. > :11:55.Michael Gove always said he never wanted to be Prime Minister. Was he
:11:56. > :11:59.lying about it? Or is his entry into the race just about blocking Boris
:12:00. > :12:04.Johnson? I think he didn't want to do this. If you are going to
:12:05. > :12:10.announce your candidacy, I don't think this is how you would do if it
:12:11. > :12:14.was planned -- if it was planned. They wanted to be part of a Boris
:12:15. > :12:19.team but when it was clear that it couldn't happen, he looked at the
:12:20. > :12:25.field and he was ultimately convinced that he had the vision and
:12:26. > :12:29.determination to leave the country. But it isn't about Boris Johnson and
:12:30. > :12:36.moving behind another campaign like Theresa May's? No. He is going for
:12:37. > :12:39.Prime Minister. You would have to say that now, you couldn't say
:12:40. > :12:44.anything else and I'm sure you believe it entirely! I'm going to
:12:45. > :12:47.bring in Steve Baker who I think is waiting outside where the Boris
:12:48. > :12:54.launch is taking place. Is there any point with him doing the launch? Of
:12:55. > :12:57.course there is, he is an electoral phenomenon and in 45 minutes the
:12:58. > :13:02.nominations will close and we will know what the field is. I am here to
:13:03. > :13:08.support Boris and I hope things will calm down. Calm down in what way? I
:13:09. > :13:12.think it would be nice if everybody decided they were back in one
:13:13. > :13:16.candidate and stuck with the candidate. I was very much hoping
:13:17. > :13:19.that Michael would be supporting Boris and bringing back into the
:13:20. > :13:22.team but I'm looking forward to hearing what Boris has to say and
:13:23. > :13:27.after nominations I feel sure that we'll have a clear view of the
:13:28. > :13:32.picture. What do you say to Dominic Ryan, your colleague here, who has
:13:33. > :13:37.decided to change his support from Boris Johnson and is now backing
:13:38. > :13:40.Michael Gove? Dominic Raab. I haven't heard what Dominic had to
:13:41. > :13:43.say, we have been great friends and allies and I'm looking forward to
:13:44. > :13:47.chatting to him later and hearing his arguments. Power seems to be
:13:48. > :13:52.seeping away from Boris Johnson because others are following suit in
:13:53. > :13:56.terms of Dominic, changing their support to Michael Gove and you know
:13:57. > :14:02.what Michael Gove has said, that he didn't feel that Boris Johnson had
:14:03. > :14:07.it to be a leader of the country. Well of course I'm a great admirer
:14:08. > :14:08.of Michael Globe, great intellectual, great character and
:14:09. > :14:13.tremendous integrity and I'm disappointed that he's not part of
:14:14. > :14:17.the Boris team. I'm looking forward to catching up with Michael later --
:14:18. > :14:22.Michael Gove. I haven't spoken to him since he declared. They love to
:14:23. > :14:27.be said and a lot will be said after the nominations have closed. Do you
:14:28. > :14:31.think that there has been a problem, confusion over Boris' message on the
:14:32. > :14:37.critical issue for many supporters of the Leave campaign about freedom
:14:38. > :14:40.of movement? There was an upset, of course. I think most of us are
:14:41. > :14:45.extremely clear that the British public expect migration policy to be
:14:46. > :14:49.on the basis of British citizenship and fully under our control so it
:14:50. > :14:54.can be as open as we would wish to be, so it can be fairer and we can
:14:55. > :14:59.get the numbers down. We made promises that can be kept. I think
:15:00. > :15:02.the vast majority of us are very clear, we don't want any backing
:15:03. > :15:05.away from those pledges to get migration under control of the
:15:06. > :15:11.British government. There was an upset. I'm looking for Boris to make
:15:12. > :15:15.a fantastic speech launching the campaign, for him to make it clear
:15:16. > :15:19.what the platform is and then we can start having a sensible conversation
:15:20. > :15:23.with a range of talented candidates standing for the leadership.
:15:24. > :15:30.What do you say to Theresa May who says she is not a showy politician,
:15:31. > :15:36.she has negotiated in Europe. It is time for a serious politician. It's
:15:37. > :15:40.a direct jibe at Boris Johnson. It is time for somebody serious and all
:15:41. > :15:44.of the candidates are serious. I don't think we should engage in
:15:45. > :15:47.personal attacks, it wasn't helpful during the course of the EU
:15:48. > :15:55.referendum campaign, it won't be helpful now. Ter resay didn't
:15:56. > :15:58.campaign to back the EU, I will be backing a Conservative candidate who
:15:59. > :16:02.believes heart and soul that this country's prospects will be better
:16:03. > :16:08.outside the EU, so I can't support Theresa May. Well Nicky Morgan, who
:16:09. > :16:18.we thought has launched her own bid, has come out to support Michael Gove
:16:19. > :16:22.and we have had Jeremy Hunt saying he will be support Theresa May. I
:16:23. > :16:25.put it to you now, power is slipping away from Boris Johnson. I have
:16:26. > :16:29.great faith he will leap back into the limelight now, set out his case
:16:30. > :16:33.and we'll see where colleagues be land up when the polls close on
:16:34. > :16:38.Tuesday and first round of voting. Stay with us for a few more moments.
:16:39. > :16:43.'S phenomenon and he is the only man who could win out in the country, as
:16:44. > :16:48.Steve baker says, he will take the timelight back in a few minutes'
:16:49. > :16:52.time. I'm not sure you have accurately reflected what he said.
:16:53. > :16:58.He did say he was a phenomenon We all agree. I'm not going to bad
:16:59. > :17:04.mouth Boris or ter resa. Ultimately, we are going to have - the easiest
:17:05. > :17:06.sell I will have is that Michael Gove is the underdog candidate
:17:07. > :17:12.fighting for the underdog. Look at what he did at schools, look at his
:17:13. > :17:15.principles leadership and that he has the enthusiasm Steve says, we
:17:16. > :17:19.need to deliver Brexit and people know he is a good team player. I
:17:20. > :17:25.have worked with him for a year, I know he is a phenomenal organiser
:17:26. > :17:28.and good at putting a team in place. Well, also, Dominic Raab, Steve
:17:29. > :17:35.Baker said earlier before you joined us that it was the attitude of Boris
:17:36. > :17:39.Johnson, his cavalier attitude towards the team towards people who
:17:40. > :17:43.had perhaps been talked to about jobs and it hasn't materialised. Do
:17:44. > :17:49.you accept he is not a team player, Boris Johnson? ? No I don't accept
:17:50. > :17:53.that. When I have spoken to people who have worked directly for him on
:17:54. > :17:58.the mayoral campaign, they have been clear he lets people get on with
:17:59. > :18:03.their job and backs them when times are tough. You should speak to James
:18:04. > :18:08.Cleverly about that, Boris was there for him when he had a tough job. He
:18:09. > :18:12.has a record of leading well, of allowing people it meet their own
:18:13. > :18:16.brief within their own parameters and sticking with them in difficult
:18:17. > :18:20.times. I think he is a team player and any of us could support him as
:18:21. > :18:25.Prime Minister. You are not going to switch sides. You are going to back
:18:26. > :18:30.him all the way. At this point. We can't talk about definitelies. Only
:18:31. > :18:33.this morning we have woke up to discover Michael has put himself on
:18:34. > :18:38.the ballot paper. He is talented. I'm looking to hear what he says in
:18:39. > :18:42.more detail or Boris. And at this stage, nominations are closing
:18:43. > :18:45.shortly. We'll see a full field. In a sense we have an embarrassment of
:18:46. > :18:48.riches. All the candidates have unique strengths and I look forward
:18:49. > :18:53.to talking to each of them. OK, right. That doesn't sound like a
:18:54. > :18:57.full commitment to me. We shall wait and see. Can I ask you finally on
:18:58. > :19:02.immigration, as Home Secretary, Theresa May is part of the
:19:03. > :19:06.Government's failure to bring net migration down to the tens of
:19:07. > :19:09.thousands, why should the country trust her as the next Conservative
:19:10. > :19:13.leader and Prime Minister, to do anything about the issue of
:19:14. > :19:14.immigration? Well, the whole issue of immigration is actually
:19:15. > :19:18.extraordinarily complicated but a will the will be addressed by the
:19:19. > :19:21.issue of Brexit. I think the negotiations we will see will
:19:22. > :19:26.address the main part of that. Going to the launch, it's going to be
:19:27. > :19:30.very, I think, a theatrical occasion but I still think Boris will
:19:31. > :19:34.probably get more votes amongst MPs than Michael Gove. All right, I will
:19:35. > :19:37.thank all of you at this point for coming on. Steve Baker, Alan Duncan
:19:38. > :19:41.and you, Dominic Raab. Now then, you wait ages for a party
:19:42. > :19:44.leadership contest to come along, Angela Eagle, who resigned
:19:45. > :19:47.from Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet earlier this week, is expected
:19:48. > :19:50.to launch a leadership challenge today, as calls continue to mount
:19:51. > :19:57.for the Labour Leader to stand down. Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown both
:19:58. > :20:00.said Mr Corbyn's position was untenable yesterday
:20:01. > :20:02.after an avalanche of resignations But the Labour Leader is standing
:20:03. > :20:08.firm - here is what Jeremy Corbyn told a gathering of his
:20:09. > :20:28.supporters last night. Surely together we cannot be afraid
:20:29. > :20:44.of press barons who attack us. Mobilising ideas, in order to
:20:45. > :20:48.concentrate those policies that can actually improve the lives
:20:49. > :20:50.of everybody in our society. That's why we contested
:20:51. > :20:52.the leadership of this That's why I'm very proud
:20:53. > :20:55.to be carrying on with I'm joined now by former Shadow
:20:56. > :21:03.Minister, Nick Thomas-Symonds, who resigned from Jereny Corbyn's
:21:04. > :21:06.ministerial team earlier this week and Matt Wrack, General Secretary
:21:07. > :21:20.of the Fire Brigades Union Snr welcome to both of you. He says
:21:21. > :21:25.he is carrying on. Should he go. -- Welcome to both of you.
:21:26. > :21:32.I do think. It is with the utmost of reluctance. I feel the best thing
:21:33. > :21:35.for my constituency is a Labour Government in the autumn, possibly
:21:36. > :21:39.under a united party. I think Jeremy should consider his position, it is
:21:40. > :21:44.what I have said. My worry about it is, this it is beyond Members of
:21:45. > :21:48.Parliament now. We see members of the European Parliament asking
:21:49. > :21:51.Jeremy to go and constituency parties last night, including
:21:52. > :21:55.Holborn and St Pancras and Tooting express no confidence in him. I
:21:56. > :21:59.would still, at this late stage - I believe he is a decent man, he
:22:00. > :22:03.served under him loyally tin respected his mandate and enjoyed
:22:04. > :22:07.working with him. He is a decent man, and I still would ask him at
:22:08. > :22:11.this late stage to do that. You have made that Matt Wrack, but Jeremy
:22:12. > :22:15.Corbyn has lost the confidence of about 80% of Labour MPs in
:22:16. > :22:17.Parliament. He hasn't been able to fill all his shadow ministerial
:22:18. > :22:23.posts. This is a parliamentary democracy. It is not sustainable for
:22:24. > :22:26.him to carry on as Leader of the Opposition? It I can take up the
:22:27. > :22:29.first point. I have heard this several times - he is an honourable,
:22:30. > :22:34.decent, honest person. It seems to imply to me that that is not what we
:22:35. > :22:38.want in politics, which people will be shocked at. In terms of the
:22:39. > :22:44.Parliamentary Labour Party, it seems to me that the MPs in the Labour
:22:45. > :22:47.Party seem to think that they want a veto over the decisions of Labour
:22:48. > :22:51.Party members, a process that they agreed to, a whole party agreed to,
:22:52. > :22:58.to elect a leader. That only took place in September. Jeremy got a
:22:59. > :23:03.magnificent support across the board, in all three categories of
:23:04. > :23:07.the party. Now the MPs, greatably in Parliament, can launched this coup
:23:08. > :23:12.in a very co-ordinated way. I don't know Nick's role but certainly for
:23:13. > :23:16.other people it was very well co-ordinated. On the hour, over the
:23:17. > :23:21.weekend, age damaging to the Labour Party. Were you part of a coup. I
:23:22. > :23:25.wasn't, I spoke to nobody before I gave my resignation. I accept that.
:23:26. > :23:29.I want to take up the point Matt is making about the Members of
:23:30. > :23:33.Parliament. I think the real issue is exsitential, it is a moment of
:23:34. > :23:37.peril, I think for the Labour Party. I worked with Jeremy and Matt, I
:23:38. > :23:41.have a lot of personal respect for him, and it is looking realistically
:23:42. > :23:45.now at who can unite us and who can actually win at a general election.
:23:46. > :23:50.I don't want to subject my constituents to a long period of a
:23:51. > :23:53.Conservative Government. 500 Labour counsellors have signed up MPs did
:23:54. > :23:59.not support Jeremy Corbyn by in large when he stood for election.
:24:00. > :24:02.But this is 80% of the Labour Party. It is a democratic process involving
:24:03. > :24:07.Labour Party members. Nobody gets to be a Labour MP simply because of
:24:08. > :24:12.their name, whether it is Jeremy Corbyn or anyone else. They get to
:24:13. > :24:15.be MP because the Labour Party members locally select them. Let's
:24:16. > :24:19.talk about the Labour Party members, do you agree at this point, still,
:24:20. > :24:22.Jeremy Corbyn commands the support of the majority of Labour Party
:24:23. > :24:27.members and if he was on a ballot, he would win again? I just don't
:24:28. > :24:32.know is the straight answer to that. At the moment it is anecdotal. It
:24:33. > :24:36.is. I have had people who did back Jeremy last year - incidentally I
:24:37. > :24:39.think the issue new is that the EU referendum result has changed
:24:40. > :24:43.everything. That's my concern. But I have got members who said - yes, we
:24:44. > :24:47.backed him but now we see for the wider interests of saving the party.
:24:48. > :24:52.It is anecdotal evidence, Nick is right but there is anecdotal
:24:53. > :24:57.evidence that is gathering pace now, that some constituency Labour
:24:58. > :25:01.Parties are seeing a change in their membership, that the prove European
:25:02. > :25:05.part of the Labour Party membership is furious with Jeremy Corbyn for
:25:06. > :25:10.his part in the EU referendum. They saw it, that he didn't make enough
:25:11. > :25:16.effort I reject that. Leader Labour Party MPs, including Angela Eagle
:25:17. > :25:20.were praising Jeremy for his role... I'm talking about the local parties.
:25:21. > :25:25.The The heckler was a Liberal Democrat candidate. Some things have
:25:26. > :25:33.been deliberately created. There was more than one. There was one. In
:25:34. > :25:37.terms of the referendum - I went to a Labour In briefing where we were
:25:38. > :25:41.told - don't mention any criticisms of the EU, the other side will be
:25:42. > :25:43.doing enough of that. The idea you could go to firefighters or any
:25:44. > :25:46.other group of working people and say - don't worry about the. U,
:25:47. > :25:53.everything is fine, it would be ludicrous, we would be laughed off
:25:54. > :25:56.the pitch. I think Jeremy Corbyn's approach reflected the concerns that
:25:57. > :26:00.many people in the Labour movement have. But nevertheless, I voted
:26:01. > :26:04.Remain. Now we have to deal with the aftermath of exit. Instead of
:26:05. > :26:09.dealing with that and fighting for jobs, pay, services, the PLP have
:26:10. > :26:14.cre auted a crisis which has put the Labour Party in an appalling
:26:15. > :26:18.poechlingts - created. I take that but has the mood changed amongst the
:26:19. > :26:22.membership. I don't think there is. I know you reject it. Do you accept
:26:23. > :26:27.any change? What has changed. You can read articles in the Telegraph
:26:28. > :26:30.from three weeks ago that set out of plan for this coup in great detail
:26:31. > :26:34.so people have been plotting this for months and there has been report
:26:35. > :26:38.after report about when it is going to happen. They took this
:26:39. > :26:44.opportunity to launch. I want to get on to the other candidates. Jeremy
:26:45. > :26:48.is saying #-7.5 out of ten is one thing but what I have been concerned
:26:49. > :26:51.is what Alan Johnson said in his letter to his constituency party
:26:52. > :26:55.last night is at least three members of Jeremy's office were actively
:26:56. > :26:59.working to undermine the campaign. A it is a different level of
:27:00. > :27:02.allegation I think is concerning. Angela Eagle is expected to launch a
:27:03. > :27:06.leadership challenge against him today. Will you support her? I don't
:27:07. > :27:10.know quite where all this Sol coming from. I want to support a consensus,
:27:11. > :27:21.unity candidate to save the Labour Party. Would that be... Angela Eagle
:27:22. > :27:24.would be excellent. I'm not sure a consensus has emerged it should be
:27:25. > :27:27.Angela Eagle. Do you think there should be a challenge to his
:27:28. > :27:31.leadership, or are you hoping or would it be better to wait until he
:27:32. > :27:35.resigns? I'm still hoping and I said at the start of the interview that
:27:36. > :27:38.he resigns. If he doesn't, that is the procedure, the procedure of the
:27:39. > :27:46.party is there should be achallenge. I'm not sure we have reached a point
:27:47. > :27:51.where we are behind one consensus candidate. Who would be your unity
:27:52. > :27:56.candidate? I will not get into names today. We should someone to unite
:27:57. > :27:58.the party and be ready to go to the party.You made it clear that it
:27:59. > :28:04.wouldn't necessarily be Angela Eagle. I did not say that. She would
:28:05. > :28:07.be a good candidate. I am saying, we haven't reached the stage where
:28:08. > :28:11.there is a consensus behind one. What about Owen Smith, he was your
:28:12. > :28:16.former boss, would he be a good bet I think he would be an excellent
:28:17. > :28:19.candidate. I think he has a very strong track record and has,
:28:20. > :28:22.frankly, been brilliant in Parliament against Iain Duncan Smith
:28:23. > :28:27.when he was in post over the past year. We are in the closing seconds.
:28:28. > :28:32.Could anyone beat Jeremy Corbyn? I don't think anyone can. We have the
:28:33. > :28:36.whole establishment, including David Cameron, trying to get rid of him
:28:37. > :28:40.which should send warning signals. When the Tory Prime Minister asked
:28:41. > :28:41.Jeremy Corbyn to g then I think Nick should reconsider his position. Well
:28:42. > :28:47.thank you both very much. Andrew will be on This Week
:28:48. > :28:56.tonight from 11.45 And join him again here at 11am
:28:57. > :29:01.tomorrow. Goodbye. On the 30th of June,
:29:02. > :29:11.we'll be coming together to commemorate the centenery
:29:12. > :29:15.of the Battle of the Somme.