:00:43. > :00:48.Fresh from triggering Boris Johnson's departure
:00:49. > :00:51.from the Conservative leadership race, Michael Gove sets out his case
:00:52. > :00:58.The Justice Secretary is due to launch his campaign in the next
:00:59. > :01:07.And with the full field of five candidates now fighting for votes
:01:08. > :01:09.amongst Conservative MPs, we'll assess their chances ahead
:01:10. > :01:16.Jeremy Corbyn insists he's not going anywhere
:01:17. > :01:18.and there's no sign, yet, of a concrete challenge
:01:19. > :01:36.We'll assess what happens next in the Labour Party's civil war.
:01:37. > :01:39.All that in the next half hour and with us for the whole
:01:40. > :01:41.of the programme today, the Sun's political editor
:01:42. > :01:43.Tom Newton Dunn, and the Guardian columnist Zoe Williams.
:01:44. > :01:47.The Conservative leadership battle is turning into an episode
:01:48. > :02:00.Yesterday morning we were getting ready for Boris Johnson
:02:01. > :02:03.to make his move to be the Capo di Capo with sidekick Andrea Leadsom
:02:04. > :02:06.But all that changed when Michael Gove made his move
:02:07. > :02:09.and whacked Boris by running himself, saying that "Boris cannot
:02:10. > :02:11.provide the leadership or build the team
:02:12. > :02:15.Andrea Leadsom then announced she was going for the top job,
:02:16. > :02:18.leaving Boris to look at the numbers and decide there wasn't
:02:19. > :02:25.Now there are five declared candidates, with Gove and Leadsom
:02:26. > :02:27.joined by Stephen Crabb, Liam Fox and the current favourite,
:02:28. > :02:44.But the plan is a series of votes beginning next Tuesday until there
:02:45. > :02:55.Then all Conservative Party members across the country get to vote
:02:56. > :03:07.with a new boss taking charge by the 9th of September.
:03:08. > :03:11.And they will also be our Prime Minister.
:03:12. > :03:15.In the last half an hour, Boris Johnson was asked by reporters
:03:16. > :03:18.as he left home about Michael Gove's decision to stand for
:03:19. > :03:31.I cannot, unfortunately, get on with doing what I wanted
:03:32. > :03:34.to do so it will be up to somebody else now.
:03:35. > :03:48.Do you have any regrets about campaigning for Leave?
:03:49. > :03:51.No, I think it will be great for our country and we
:03:52. > :03:55.I think everybody needs to take advantage of what I think will be
:03:56. > :04:09.That was Boris Johnson walking, we are not sure where that he was
:04:10. > :04:14.walking a bit of mumbling, we could not catch all of it. We are hearing
:04:15. > :04:17.that some Conservative ministers are now pressing Michael Gove to
:04:18. > :04:23.withdraw which would be interesting since it was only on yesterday
:04:24. > :04:30.morning that he announced he was standing. They want to rally round
:04:31. > :04:35.Theresa May so that she wins by a huge amount and that kind of
:04:36. > :04:40.determined it. If that happens, don't ask me! What I can take it
:04:41. > :04:47.that he will be speaking after Boris Johnson withdrew yesterday, I doubt
:04:48. > :04:52.he will do. Where are we? I'm hamstrung by not understanding the
:04:53. > :05:00.Conservative psyche. It doesn't help! It is baffling. If Michael
:05:01. > :05:04.Gove were to withdraw and leave it open for Theresa May, they still
:05:05. > :05:11.have 2% two names to the party members. And then the other is what,
:05:12. > :05:19.Liam Fox? That is technically right but they are a bit better at making
:05:20. > :05:23.it up as they go along than Labour. If Theresa May was to emerge from a
:05:24. > :05:26.first or second ballot is a clear front runner, there would be
:05:27. > :05:32.pressure on the other is to stand down. They would call the
:05:33. > :05:38.consistency chairman around the country. None of this may happen but
:05:39. > :05:44.that is the kind of world we are in. I don't buy it. You are right that
:05:45. > :05:51.Theresa May will top the ballot and it is hers to lose. However, there
:05:52. > :05:56.is still this schism in the Tory body between Remain and Leave. The
:05:57. > :06:04.little referendum last week! The idea you can send want tendered to
:06:05. > :06:08.the entire membership who is a Remainer, they have to have those on
:06:09. > :06:17.the ticket to resolve this is a huge party. You may be right. I saw a
:06:18. > :06:24.wonderful pressie for an American audience which said that Theresa May
:06:25. > :06:28.campaigned for Remain but is now in favour of Leave which is exactly the
:06:29. > :06:36.opposite of Jeremy Corbyn. No! Exactly the same! Completely
:06:37. > :06:46.confused! She was indivisible Tom Corbyn. I'm lost as well! -- from
:06:47. > :06:57.Corbyn. Do we know yet what triggered the Brutus act of Michael
:06:58. > :07:02.Gove? Yes. Did you not read the Sun? We think we have got to the nub of
:07:03. > :07:10.it. It was the letter to Andrea Leadsom. Offering her the
:07:11. > :07:14.chancellorship? She was ready to pull out and go with team Boris. It
:07:15. > :07:21.was orchestrated by Michael Gove and all Boris had to do was offer in
:07:22. > :07:24.writing the job of Chancellor. Boris apparently did write this letter but
:07:25. > :07:31.it was never delivered to Andrea Leadsom at this Tory summer party. A
:07:32. > :07:37.huge amount of conspiracy theories on both side as to what it was not
:07:38. > :07:41.deliberate but it ended up with her saying, I will run against you and
:07:42. > :07:51.let's go to war. All this was the excuse, I use that word carefully,
:07:52. > :07:54.to say that Boris is an incompetent. Some people say that it was one
:07:55. > :08:04.Michael Gove's supporters that was meant to deliver the letter. I have
:08:05. > :08:09.a supporter of Andrea Leadsom waiting. There was no pigeon
:08:10. > :08:12.involved? It is beginning to sound more like the Camorra than the
:08:13. > :08:14.Mafia! We can talk now to the Conservative
:08:15. > :08:26.MP Tim Loughton, who He is supporting Andrea Leadsom. Was
:08:27. > :08:35.she offered the shadow chancellorship or, not the shadow,
:08:36. > :08:43.the chancellorship, by Mr Johnson? I don't know, Andrew. There are more
:08:44. > :08:47.twists and plots than Shakespeare. I'm not interested in who did what
:08:48. > :08:51.to whom when, all I'm interested in is making sure we have a good
:08:52. > :08:53.candidate to be Prime Minister and Andrea Leadsom is that person will
:08:54. > :09:06.stop she had been a junior She has been a junior minister for
:09:07. > :09:10.two years. Why would a junior minister be equipped to be Prime
:09:11. > :09:15.Minister? I think David Cameron had been an MP for only four years when
:09:16. > :09:19.he became leader of our party and he had never been a minister at the
:09:20. > :09:25.time. He wasn't going to be Prime Minister straightaway. She has had a
:09:26. > :09:30.very long and distinguished career in finance, highly regarded in the
:09:31. > :09:37.city. She had been over six years in Parliament and a very successful and
:09:38. > :09:41.promoted minister as well. She has got the skills but she is also
:09:42. > :09:46.widely respected and liked across not only the whole of the party but
:09:47. > :09:50.the whole Parliament. She is the real deal and we need somebody who
:09:51. > :09:56.has the experience in finance and in negotiation because these are
:09:57. > :10:02.challenging times ahead. She was the most passionate Brexit supporter.
:10:03. > :10:07.When did she tell you she was running? It was all rather
:10:08. > :10:12.last-minute. I was asked to put together a campaign team which met
:10:13. > :10:18.firstly yesterday morning. When did she tell you she was running? I
:10:19. > :10:27.spoke to her on the night before she put in. She had been considering
:10:28. > :10:35.this... How long had she been talking to you? I rather lose track
:10:36. > :10:38.of time as well. She's my closest friend in politics, I spent a couple
:10:39. > :10:42.of days with her last week and we were talking through all the
:10:43. > :10:46.different scenarios and how she could stand, if she should but she
:10:47. > :10:53.wants to give more choice to the party. She is particularly
:10:54. > :10:59.passionate, and she was the most passionate Brexiteer. She is
:11:00. > :11:05.single-minded on that. I understand that it's her position. What was the
:11:06. > :11:10.biggest thing that triggered her decision to run? Because she wants
:11:11. > :11:15.to do the deal on Europe for Britain. That is her single most
:11:16. > :11:20.important task and the most important thing is facing the
:11:21. > :11:24.country. She threw herself into the referendum debate not to promote
:11:25. > :11:31.herself but because she passionately believed that Britain's best future
:11:32. > :11:37.is outside the EU. I understand all that... She now wants to see it
:11:38. > :11:42.through. And she did not think that Boris Johnson would be able to do
:11:43. > :11:50.the kind of Brexit deal that she wants? As I say, she wanted to have
:11:51. > :11:56.a choice of Brexit candidates. There were concerns on some of the things
:11:57. > :11:59.that Boris had said on rowing back but she is absolutely clear on where
:12:00. > :12:10.she wants to go on Europe and the sort of renegotiation we need. And
:12:11. > :12:16.briefly, what would be a good result for her in the first ballot? What
:12:17. > :12:21.are you hoping for? I do know how the figures are going to fall. We
:12:22. > :12:25.are spending the next few days speaking to an awful lot of
:12:26. > :12:29.colleagues and my office was filled with MPs knocking on the door asking
:12:30. > :12:34.to come and help so I think she will get a respectable score. It is too
:12:35. > :12:42.early to know. She will be in the final two and may the best woman
:12:43. > :12:46.win. Did you see what he did! Thank you very much for joining us, a busy
:12:47. > :12:51.weekend ahead for you. What do you make of that? I think there is a
:12:52. > :12:57.fairly decent chance that could come true. The unpopularity of Michael
:12:58. > :13:07.Gove Indy has hazard commons amongst the Tories is so big. I think he
:13:08. > :13:11.will run -- in the House of Commons. Going back a step, we have to talk
:13:12. > :13:16.about the policies in this, nobody has talked about Brexit policy. That
:13:17. > :13:24.is because they don't have any. They have to that a leadership contest.
:13:25. > :13:29.Why do they hate Michael Gove so much? Look at his rear-view mirror,
:13:30. > :13:34.in the last week he has taken Britain out of the EU, killed off
:13:35. > :13:40.the Prime Minister and now Boris Johnson. The bodies are piling up
:13:41. > :13:44.behind him. It is literally a case of personal honour, they think he is
:13:45. > :13:49.dishonourable but they are asking how they can trust him. There will
:13:50. > :13:56.certainly be a big stop Michael Gove campaign. As there was with Boris.
:13:57. > :13:58.Of course, the Conservatives aren't the only party facing leadership
:13:59. > :14:05.The slow-motion uprising against Jeremy Corbyn looks set
:14:06. > :14:09.to continue into next week, with no sign of a formal challenge
:14:10. > :14:15.This morning the Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, has been speaking
:14:16. > :14:17.about the economic implications of the vote to leave
:14:18. > :14:20.Our political correspondent Ben Wright was watching his
:14:21. > :14:33.Then, what was he telling us? John McDonell is talking about Brexit
:14:34. > :14:36.policy in its broadest sense, the red line is that he says Labour
:14:37. > :14:41.should have as it takes part in preacher discussion about the terms
:14:42. > :14:45.of our exit, so he talked, unsurprisingly, about the need to
:14:46. > :14:50.protect workers' writes, financial passport in for the city, the rights
:14:51. > :14:54.of EU citizens here. Very, very broad brush and pretty vague but
:14:55. > :14:58.questions soon got onto the leadership issue, of course, and I
:14:59. > :15:02.asked John McDonnell how important this was, considering the fact that
:15:03. > :15:07.most of the Shadow Cabinet, the vast majority of MPs, want Jeremy Corbyn
:15:08. > :15:11.to quit, how plausible it was that Mr Corbyn would still be in the
:15:12. > :15:15.lead's seat by the time Brexit negotiations began and Mr McDonnell
:15:16. > :15:22.was quite emphatic that Jeremy Corbyn would still be there. He did,
:15:23. > :15:25.though, say, bring it on, really, to challenge us. Mr Corbyn is resisting
:15:26. > :15:30.any move to force him to resign, that's quite clear. He's digging in
:15:31. > :15:33.and the challenge is to Angela eagle, Owen Smith and others, if you
:15:34. > :15:37.want a leadership contest you are going to have to make a move and do
:15:38. > :15:41.it yourself. John McDonell pretty much said, get on with it and do it
:15:42. > :15:47.in the next few days. Thank you very much for that. Another developer
:15:48. > :15:50.and, John McDonell speaking. He himself on the Sunday Politics last
:15:51. > :15:56.weekend and again this morning has ruled himself out from standing as
:15:57. > :15:58.Labour leader. Of course, Michael Gove ruled himself out of standing
:15:59. > :16:01.as Conservative leader. We've been joined by Manuel Cortes,
:16:02. > :16:03.the general secretary of the transport union,
:16:04. > :16:13.TSSA, who are backing Jeremy Corbyn. Welcome to the programme. Good
:16:14. > :16:19.morning. Mr Corbyn, when he was running the campaign for the
:16:20. > :16:23.leadership last year, the campaign was called JC4PM. How does that work
:16:24. > :16:26.on our? He's got a lot of support within our party but also if you
:16:27. > :16:34.look at the election result under Corbyn, they've been very good.
:16:35. > :16:37.We've won every single by-election. The Mayor of Bristol, something that
:16:38. > :16:41.Ed Miliband failed to do, and over the piece we've been doing extremely
:16:42. > :16:46.well. I think it's really sad that it appears that many within the PLP
:16:47. > :16:50.have lost their senses. At a time when the Tories are bitterly
:16:51. > :16:55.divided... Let me narrow the question down and ask you this. We
:16:56. > :17:01.haven't got much time. How could he form a government when AT the centre
:17:02. > :17:05.of the Parliamentary party has no confidence in him was I tell you
:17:06. > :17:11.what's really important... It's really important that you answer my
:17:12. > :17:13.question. MPs need to take the weekend off under threat and what
:17:14. > :17:18.they're doing because what Labour voters want us to do is to join
:17:19. > :17:21.behind the leader and challenge the Tories. The Tories are bitterly
:17:22. > :17:24.divided. There is going to be blood over carpet when it comes to the
:17:25. > :17:27.contest for the next leader of the Tory party and we should be taking
:17:28. > :17:35.advantage. That's fine but that is just rhetoric. With the current
:17:36. > :17:40.Parliamentary party, he can't even form a Shadow Cabinet, much less a
:17:41. > :17:44.government. So it would follow that he could only form a government
:17:45. > :17:49.after the next election with a very different Parliamentary party.
:17:50. > :17:55.Correct? Well, this is not about challenging those MPs that are
:17:56. > :18:02.currently within Westminster. Lets wait and see what happens. We are a
:18:03. > :18:05.democratic party. We have got a constitutional process by which the
:18:06. > :18:09.leader of the Labour Party can be challenged and what these people are
:18:10. > :18:12.doing is childish and petulant. They haven't even got a candidate. You
:18:13. > :18:15.would have thought if somebody was challenging the leader of the Labour
:18:16. > :18:20.Party, they would have agreed somebody to stand against him. I
:18:21. > :18:23.understand all that but these are just debating points. I'm trying to
:18:24. > :18:28.get to the heart of this matter, which is how does Mr Corbyn form a
:18:29. > :18:37.government, become Prime Minister, if AT % of the Parliamentary party
:18:38. > :18:40.is against inquest -- 80%. He is standing firm and telling his MPs
:18:41. > :18:44.that they need to unite to make sure that we do not disappoint the
:18:45. > :18:50.millions of people who need a Labour government. They should spend the
:18:51. > :18:53.weekend reflecting on their actions they're coming across as childish
:18:54. > :18:58.and petulant and it is time they grew up. And if they don't grow up,
:18:59. > :19:02.to use your words, surely if Mr Corbyn is serious about becoming
:19:03. > :19:05.Prime Minister, he has to have a Parliamentary party that reflects Mr
:19:06. > :19:09.Corbyn. There have to be major changes before the election among
:19:10. > :19:13.those who stand for your party. For him to become Prime Minister, we
:19:14. > :19:16.have to win many more seats, well over 106. There will be a lot of new
:19:17. > :19:22.talent coming into the party but we must not forget that there are a lot
:19:23. > :19:25.of talented people currently within the PLP. And asking them to reflect
:19:26. > :19:32.on their actions. You've done that three times and we will see if they
:19:33. > :19:39.do it. Sorry, you supported Mr Corbyn. Are you going to write a
:19:40. > :19:44.book now about Labour's downfall? I supported Jeremy Corbyn because he
:19:45. > :19:48.did represent something that the members clearly wanted. He had a
:19:49. > :19:52.voice of hope, he seemed really radically different to the same old
:19:53. > :19:58.diet that the other three were offering. What do they do now? I
:19:59. > :20:02.genuinely think the failure to make the European case properly is
:20:03. > :20:07.decisive. I think it was terrible and I think we're in... I want to
:20:08. > :20:10.take issue with that. I share many platforms with Jeremy and he was
:20:11. > :20:14.making the point to remain in Europe but, like him, as a socialist I've
:20:15. > :20:21.got a different vision of the kind of Europe I want. Me to! But the
:20:22. > :20:24.point that he made... You cannot change Europe without being part of
:20:25. > :20:27.it and that's why we were committed to staying. You say you were
:20:28. > :20:31.committed to staying batik plainly wasn't committed to staying. It was
:20:32. > :20:38.obvious that he wasn't a remain and that has caused a crisis. Let me
:20:39. > :20:43.talk, because you've talked a lot. There has been a hard core of
:20:44. > :20:48.Blairite MPs trying to get rid of him but I do not think that is the
:20:49. > :20:52.situation now. As Andrew says, it is AT % of MPs, huge amount of people
:20:53. > :20:56.in the Labour Party who would have supported a change of vision, a
:20:57. > :20:59.change of vision, but cannot support somebody who cannot articulate the
:21:00. > :21:04.case that was so important to the Labour Party and to Labour Party
:21:05. > :21:09.members. If I could finish quickly... You made a good point so
:21:10. > :21:13.he should reply. Let's be brutally honest. Many people who voted for
:21:14. > :21:16.Brexit did so in former industrial heartlands. They are looking for a
:21:17. > :21:20.message of hope and I think that Jeremy is the only person who could
:21:21. > :21:24.deliver that. But he didn't because otherwise they would have voted for
:21:25. > :21:27.his side in the Remain vote. If they believed in, they would have stayed
:21:28. > :21:30.with him for the Europe vote and they didn't believe him. It is very
:21:31. > :21:34.difficult to expect someone to change the body politics of this
:21:35. > :21:40.country in nine months. After 40 years of one-way traffic, I think we
:21:41. > :21:43.should give him a chance. I think he's on the right track to talk our
:21:44. > :21:49.by-election results have been good. You've said that. I want to ask a
:21:50. > :21:53.question. We've just heard that the Austrian Supreme Court has ruled
:21:54. > :22:00.that there has to be a rerun in the presidential election in Austria,
:22:01. > :22:04.which was narrowly won against a pretty hard right alternative
:22:05. > :22:09.candidate. That is a rerun of the presidential election in Austria. A
:22:10. > :22:12.lot of Labour MPs say to me, it's not about whether he is left or
:22:13. > :22:18.right, they think he's just useless as a leader. Does it not take a
:22:19. > :22:19.particularly special expertise to organise and anti-Semitism
:22:20. > :22:25.conference and lump Israel together with Islamic State, which is what Mr
:22:26. > :22:28.Corbyn did yesterday? I think you'll find this morning that some of those
:22:29. > :22:34.comments that were treated to him have no longer been backed up. I
:22:35. > :22:37.know exactly what he said. I've heard the tape. He said so-called
:22:38. > :22:40.Islamic state and other organisations and Israel was in that
:22:41. > :22:50.sentence. What could he mean why so-called Islamic State? It has to
:22:51. > :22:57.include Islamic State. He has a proven track record all his life of
:22:58. > :23:01.fighting racism... So why lump Israel with Islamic State? I wasn't
:23:02. > :23:10.there, I don't know in what context... It is on tape. I haven't
:23:11. > :23:15.heard the tape. One quick question. Is splitting the Labour Party into,
:23:16. > :23:18.a formal split, STP labour, what a writ is called, the price you are
:23:19. > :23:23.winning to pay to keep Jeremy in? That, you must admit, is a real
:23:24. > :23:26.prospect it up I don't see the prospect of a Labour Party split. I
:23:27. > :23:29.think people need to reflect on their actions. We've got the weekend
:23:30. > :23:35.coming up and I think at a time where... You set such a lot of store
:23:36. > :23:41.by the weekend! Well, it's going to be a big weekend! We need cool
:23:42. > :23:45.heads. They are a Democratic party, they need to find a challenger if
:23:46. > :23:51.that's what they want but let's talk about the leader until that happens.
:23:52. > :23:55.Manuel Cortes, we'll leave it there. I think we are going around in
:23:56. > :23:59.circles now. I'm grateful for you to spelling out your position. It will
:24:00. > :24:02.be a very interesting weekend for a change. We haven't had an
:24:03. > :24:07.interesting weekend for years in politics! Let's assume a challenger
:24:08. > :24:10.does emerge at some stage, I would have thought, otherwise they will
:24:11. > :24:15.look foolish, and the election goes to the country, to the Labour Party
:24:16. > :24:20.in the country. Does Mr Corbyn win again and if he does, does that
:24:21. > :24:22.split the Labour Party? I think the answer is probably, not least
:24:23. > :24:29.because 60,000 people just joined the Labour Party. You talked MPs now
:24:30. > :24:33.and they are absolutely adamant, this is it. Corbyn wins again, we
:24:34. > :24:41.go, and we'll take some unions with us, but it is curtains for Labour.
:24:42. > :24:45.I'm afraid we finished with you. We haven't got much time. You've had a
:24:46. > :24:50.good innings! You scored a few runs as well! I don't know if the 60,000
:24:51. > :24:54.are joining momentum. I think they're on the other side. Secondly,
:24:55. > :24:58.I don't think the split is going to come from that direction. I think of
:24:59. > :25:02.Corbyn goes in and wins, he will stage a deselection from
:25:03. > :25:06.constituencies. We need to move on to adopt we're rushed to date it up
:25:07. > :25:09.it's a shame we haven't got more time. It is a shame but there's
:25:10. > :25:13.something called Wimbledon that we've been cut down for. It's not as
:25:14. > :25:15.if the countries and political crisis or anything! Please help me,
:25:16. > :25:17.Manuel! As we were discussing earlier,
:25:18. > :25:19.Michael Gove has been setting out his pitch
:25:20. > :25:21.for the Conservative leadership. Speaking in the last few minutes
:25:22. > :25:24.he said that whilst he may not have glamour or charisma,
:25:25. > :25:26.he is the right person I knew that we needed a leader
:25:27. > :25:36.who both believed in this new path and could build and lead a united
:25:37. > :25:38.team to guide us through
:25:39. > :25:40.the challenges ahead. I believed that Boris Johnson,
:25:41. > :25:42.who had campaigned alongside me with such
:25:43. > :25:43.energy and enthusiasm, I so wanted that plan to work
:25:44. > :25:50.and worked night and day for it. But I came to realise this week
:25:51. > :25:54.that, for all Boris's formidable talents, he was not the right
:25:55. > :25:59.person for that task. That realisation meant that I once
:26:00. > :26:02.more faced a Could I recommend to
:26:03. > :26:08.friends, colleagues and the country of course in which I no
:26:09. > :26:11.longer believed? I had to stand up
:26:12. > :26:15.for my convictions. I had to stand up for a different
:26:16. > :26:20.course for this country, I had to stand for the leadership
:26:21. > :26:23.of this party. And in standing I cannot promise
:26:24. > :26:25.that all the days ahead for I cannot pledge that
:26:26. > :26:29.a few bold strokes will heal all our divisions
:26:30. > :26:34.and solve the quick All I can pledge is that I will
:26:35. > :26:43.always be guided by principle. I will govern as captain of the team
:26:44. > :26:46.and I will always, always put my country and our people
:26:47. > :26:48.above everything. This country voted for change
:26:49. > :26:52.and I am going to deliver it. I'm the candidate for leader
:26:53. > :26:59.who changed our education system. changing our prisons
:27:00. > :27:03.and justice system. I'm the candidate for leader who led
:27:04. > :27:06.the case for change in this referendum campaign
:27:07. > :27:08.and the country voted for change. The country voted for no more
:27:09. > :27:13.politics as usual, no more business as usual,
:27:14. > :27:26.and that is why I'm standing That is Mr Gove beginning his
:27:27. > :27:29.leadership bid for the Conservative Party, to be the next finalist. He
:27:30. > :27:32.went on to say that he did think immigration numbers should come
:27:33. > :27:35.down, that seemed to be a matter of dispute between him and Boris
:27:36. > :27:38.Johnson of the week and. We had hoped to be speaking to Dominic
:27:39. > :27:42.Raab, a big supporter of Mr Gove, but in the course of the programme
:27:43. > :27:50.he's pulled out. There's a lot of that going on at all sides! Isn't Mr
:27:51. > :27:54.Gove's bid marred by what has happened in the past 72 hours? It's
:27:55. > :27:57.defined by it. It absolutely would not have happened if he happens to
:27:58. > :28:03.the knife into Cameron and then Boris and he has two somehow park
:28:04. > :28:08.that and persuade people to forget about that. I think you'll find it
:28:09. > :28:13.very hard. Are we heading towards the Conservatives having the second
:28:14. > :28:20.woman Prime Minister in our history? Quite possibly. I can't see them
:28:21. > :28:25.going for gof. -- Michael Gove. The funny thing about Theresa Yobe is,
:28:26. > :28:29.she does, in this chaos, you kind of want the safety option. She does
:28:30. > :28:35.seem like a solid rock. We need to leave it there. Even you want to hug
:28:36. > :28:37.Theresa May! There will be no holding on this programme.
:28:38. > :28:41.I thank you both. I'll be back on Sunday
:28:42. > :28:49.with the Sunday Politics. It is on at 11 o'clock on Sunday
:28:50. > :28:53.morning. Clearly there will be a lot to update you on an report so I hope
:28:54. > :28:56.you can join me. Sunday Politics 11 o'clock this Sunday morning.
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