:00:39. > :00:42.Good afternoon, welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:43. > :00:45.Terror returns to France, this time in the South.
:00:46. > :00:48.At least 84 people are killed after a lorry ploughs through packed
:00:49. > :00:51.crowds gathering for Bastille Day celebrations
:00:52. > :01:00.President Hollande arrives in Nice having led the condemnation
:01:01. > :01:04.France's nationwide state of emergency, in place
:01:05. > :01:09.since the terror attacks in Paris, will be extended by three months.
:01:10. > :01:12.Back in Britain, with her new Cabinet in place,
:01:13. > :01:14.Theresa May begins to focus on the challenges ahead.
:01:15. > :01:23.At the end of a tumultuous week, we assess the start of the May Era.
:01:24. > :01:25.And the former Governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King,
:01:26. > :01:35.joins us to talk about the economy, Brexit and cricket!
:01:36. > :01:38.All that in the next hour, and with us for the duration,
:01:39. > :01:41.Sam Coates of the Times, and Anne McElvoy of the Economist.
:01:42. > :01:45.Last night, as thousands gathered to celebrate Bastille Day
:01:46. > :01:47.in the southern France city of Nice, a horrifying
:01:48. > :01:56.A man driving a lorry killed at least 84 people,
:01:57. > :01:59.including 10 children, as he ploughed through the crowds
:02:00. > :02:03.on the Promenade des Anglais, pedestrianised for the evening,
:02:04. > :02:09.swerving and zigzagging in an attempt to maximise the death toll.
:02:10. > :02:12.The lorry was finally stopped after over a mile of carnage,
:02:13. > :02:16.President Francois Hollande has said the attack was of "an undeniable
:02:17. > :02:26.Speaking in the last hour, the Prime Minister Theresa May said
:02:27. > :02:32.the UK stand shoulder to shoulder with France.
:02:33. > :02:34.I'm shocked and saddened by the horrifying attack
:02:35. > :02:40.Our hearts go out to the French people and to all those who have
:02:41. > :02:46.The full picture is still emerging and it seems
:02:47. > :02:49.at least 80 people are feared dead and many others injured.
:02:50. > :02:52.These were innocent victims enjoying a national celebration
:02:53. > :02:58.We are working urgently to establish whether any British nationals
:02:59. > :03:05.Our ambassador is travelling to Nice today with consular staff
:03:06. > :03:08.and they will be doing all they can to help anyone affected.
:03:09. > :03:11.I've asked my deputy national security advisor to chair a Cobra
:03:12. > :03:16.meeting of senior officials, to review what we know
:03:17. > :03:19.and what we can do to help and I will speak
:03:20. > :03:22.to President Hollande today and make sure that the United Kingdom stands
:03:23. > :03:25.shoulder-to-shoulder with France today, as we have done so often
:03:26. > :03:32.If, as we fear, this was a terrorist attack,
:03:33. > :03:35.then we must redouble our efforts to defeat these brutal murderers,
:03:36. > :03:43.We must work with France and our partners around the world
:03:44. > :03:50.to stand up for our values and for our freedom.
:03:51. > :03:53.And the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson also gave his
:03:54. > :03:58.Obviously our thoughts are very much with the people of France and Nice.
:03:59. > :04:05.I think there will be ministerial meatings later on today to discuss
:04:06. > :04:07.the implications for this country, if any.
:04:08. > :04:11.I don't at this time know of any read across or implications
:04:12. > :04:18.Clearly, if this is a terrorist incident -
:04:19. > :04:23.it represents a continuing threat to us in the whole of Europe
:04:24. > :04:28.We've been joined by the BBC's security
:04:29. > :04:41.Welcome back to the programme. Is it significant that no Islamist group
:04:42. > :04:47.has yet claimed responsibility? No, not at all. They didn't claim
:04:48. > :04:51.responsibility for the Ataturk airport attack in Istanbul. There
:04:52. > :04:56.have been several attacks which have gone unclaimed but there is no doubt
:04:57. > :05:01.in the investigators' minds and analysts who study this stuff and
:05:02. > :05:06.think-tanks elsewhere this is inspired by so-called Islamic State.
:05:07. > :05:11.There was a call to arms as it were back in September 2014 by the IS
:05:12. > :05:17.spokesman, who called for exactly these kind of attack, that was
:05:18. > :05:22.followed in December 2014 by a couple of much smaller and nothing
:05:23. > :05:29.like as devastating vehicle attacks in the French cities of Dijon and
:05:30. > :05:33.Nantes, but nothing on this scale. So, I would be very surprised if
:05:34. > :05:39.this isn't linked in some way to IS, even if this guy was operating on
:05:40. > :05:44.his own, he will probably have got inxxxx inspired in some way, he had
:05:45. > :05:51.a petty criminal record but no known links, we will have to see what the
:05:52. > :05:56.investigators say, this will be I am certain in response to the military
:05:57. > :06:00.pressure that IS, Isis is under in Syria and in Iraq, they are losing
:06:01. > :06:05.territory, they are losing recruits, commanders and this is their way of
:06:06. > :06:10.lashing out at soft targets. What more do we know about -- pepper
:06:11. > :06:17.traytor, born in Tunisia, but lived in France. What else do we know
:06:18. > :06:22.about him? I am not sure he had French nationality, he is Tunisian
:06:23. > :06:26.born, 31, unconfirmed reports have named him, but I am 23409 going to
:06:27. > :06:35.give the name in case they are wrong. He is of north African
:06:36. > :06:40.heritage, he had a police record for theft, traffic offence, violence,
:06:41. > :06:47.but no known links to terrorism. He was not on the watch list, 3,000
:06:48. > :06:49.strong. This is another sign that the French domestic intelligence
:06:50. > :06:53.agency needs to get on top of the problem, you can put thousands of
:06:54. > :06:57.troops on the street, you can raise the national terror threat level,
:06:58. > :07:00.you can extend the state of emergency but if it is not stopping
:07:01. > :07:04.attacks from people who are known to the police, that his need to do a
:07:05. > :07:11.better job. Given what he did, which was to
:07:12. > :07:15.drive a truck into a crowd in a sense, he was armed but the south of
:07:16. > :07:21.France as we know is awash with arms, could he have done this on his
:07:22. > :07:24.own? Did he need a support group or could you just have planned this...
:07:25. > :07:29.He rented the truck on Thursday, did he need a support group to do it?
:07:30. > :07:33.No, he didn't but I think, if you talk to people who study these
:07:34. > :07:38.things they say there is no such thing as a pure lone wolf attack, is
:07:39. > :07:44.a cliche, it is like an awful cliche, all the hallmarks of a
:07:45. > :07:49.Jihadi attack. It is unlikely to have been a completely sole
:07:50. > :07:54.operator, once they have his digital footprint and who he has been in
:07:55. > :07:57.contact with, on his phone, through encrypted apps, whatever mean,
:07:58. > :08:02.almost certainly it will transpire he has been in touch with somebody,
:08:03. > :08:05.he will have been viewing extremist propaganda material, and been
:08:06. > :08:09.radicalised passive sieve as it were, by what he is seeing and
:08:10. > :08:13.viewing, or more likely he has been in touch with people who have
:08:14. > :08:20.encouraged him to do this. I think, it is unlikely that he was sent by
:08:21. > :08:24.IS from Syria, let us see, there has been a mixture, if you look at the
:08:25. > :08:27.Bataclan tact in November and Brussels, there has been a mix of
:08:28. > :08:30.people who have been trained in Syria and others who haven't been
:08:31. > :08:37.necessarily left Europe to carry out these attacks. This was actually
:08:38. > :08:42.depressing and shocking that for such a high profile event with
:08:43. > :08:46.thousands of people, that the French security, which was braced in, you
:08:47. > :08:49.know, in the wake of these attacks and warnings, braced for something
:08:50. > :08:54.like this they weren't able to stop it. I want, that brings me on to the
:08:55. > :08:58.next question, before I ask it I want to make clear the person to
:08:59. > :09:02.blame for what happened is the man who drove the truck and those who
:09:03. > :09:07.support him, not the police. Or the security services. Absolutely. But
:09:08. > :09:11.to ask you this, did they make a mistake, which turned out to be
:09:12. > :09:15.fatal? I mean I have been to these events in the south of France. The
:09:16. > :09:20.Promenade des Anglais, the road is Klossed for the night. They
:09:21. > :09:23.pedestrian nice it, you can walk up and down, which meant it was easy
:09:24. > :09:28.for him once he got on to the promenade. He didn't have to go on
:09:29. > :09:33.the pavement. He could mow them down right down on the street, should the
:09:34. > :09:37.police not have had barrier, have stopped anything from getting on to
:09:38. > :09:41.the promenade? I would, first I totally agree with you, I think
:09:42. > :09:45.there is a tendency in these things to lash out at the people who are
:09:46. > :09:51.trying to stop this carnage, when you are right, we need to remember
:09:52. > :09:55.the person to blame for this is the perpetrator, and the ideology behind
:09:56. > :10:00.it, that is asouping as this does appear to be a politically or
:10:01. > :10:03.terrorism motivated attack, but I think coming on to your point, --
:10:04. > :10:09.assuming. It's a failure of imagination I would call it, and
:10:10. > :10:14.this is, I think, a generic failure of many intelligence agencies, I
:10:15. > :10:17.think it applies to MI5 our own security service, ten years ago
:10:18. > :10:20.where they didn't have the imagination to understand that some
:10:21. > :10:25.of the people who were seeking shelter in London and using the
:10:26. > :10:29.London as a platform to attack countries in the Middle East, that
:10:30. > :10:33.these people were quite dangerous, they have learned a lot since then,
:10:34. > :10:38.and that is one of the reasons why so far we haven't had a successful
:10:39. > :10:42.attack because they have got a lot better and trying to predict these
:10:43. > :10:48.things and think outside the box. To me this was a fail you to plan event
:10:49. > :10:51.if -- effectively. To think what if, people need to read team it, put
:10:52. > :10:57.your mind in the mind of a terse Ritz, if you want to attack
:10:58. > :11:00.something, think of a way to do it. Your can't foresee everything, but
:11:01. > :11:03.they should have been able to foresee this, what happens if
:11:04. > :11:09.somebody gets a big vehicle and gets through that? It is carnage, that is
:11:10. > :11:15.what happened, they should have predict it. One final question,
:11:16. > :11:22.Charlie Hebdo, November in Paris and now this, one weeps for France,
:11:23. > :11:27.don't you. You do, France is the number one target of opportunity for
:11:28. > :11:34.Jihadist, let us try and keep an hope mind, this looked like a Jihadi
:11:35. > :11:38.attack but so did Anders Breivik and motives for what he had to say,
:11:39. > :11:44.no-one has claimed responsibility for this yet but it looks like it.
:11:45. > :11:50.Either way France is right up there at the top of the target list for
:11:51. > :11:55.Islamic State, because it has pushed back Al-Qaeda. It is taking part in
:11:56. > :12:02.air strikes in Syria and Iraq, and it has the burqa ban, it has been
:12:03. > :12:04.particularly right up there, forward leaning, in confronting Islamist
:12:05. > :12:10.extremism. It has made itself a target. Britain is a target too, so
:12:11. > :12:15.is Belgium, France, Germany. In France there is the perfect storm of
:12:16. > :12:21.a few discontented individuals who have been drawn to jiesm. You have
:12:22. > :12:25.the banlieue where people no stake in their country, you have got
:12:26. > :12:31.relatively open border, easy access to automatic weapons, the list goes
:12:32. > :12:39.on. I know you have a busy day I am grateful you had time to join us.
:12:40. > :12:44.We think there are ten children dead at least and the fact this was so
:12:45. > :12:49.clearly an attack and that summary brought this home. It is an attack
:12:50. > :12:53.on a family day, an attack on targeted on people doing the most
:12:54. > :13:00.relaxed and enjoyable things. A family night out. I don't mean to
:13:01. > :13:03.say an attack on anything else is any less thankic, think the worst
:13:04. > :13:08.thing in your imagination a terrorist, if so it is, could do,
:13:09. > :13:11.and this really would be very high on the list, precisely because as
:13:12. > :13:16.you say the size of the coffin, the range of the victims. He knew there
:13:17. > :13:21.would be families. Huge Muslim population in Nice too, there would
:13:22. > :13:27.be plenty of Muslim families walking along the promenade. He knew the
:13:28. > :13:31.promenade, he in normal times you can't do it, it is bumper-to-bumper
:13:32. > :13:37.traffic he knew last night, because it was closed, he would be able to
:13:38. > :13:41.do what he wanted to do. And the manner of the attack subjects every
:13:42. > :13:47.aspect of the planning of it was designed to heighten the impact, and
:13:48. > :13:51.that would include going after family, and children, that would
:13:52. > :13:56.include picking an extremely high profile day in the French calendar
:13:57. > :13:59.and a place where the celebrations are, particularly prominent and
:14:00. > :14:03.well-known, so there is no doubt about that. I mean, I think we are
:14:04. > :14:08.entering an interesting debate, Frank Gardner was saying, they
:14:09. > :14:13.should have predicted this, those were his words, it seems hard to see
:14:14. > :14:17.for security services in Britain, in France, to gain absolutely every
:14:18. > :14:23.incident like this, as we look back and look for someone to maybe
:14:24. > :14:28.apportion blame to, there are a lot of people in France, the single
:14:29. > :14:32.biggest supplier of terrorists to Islamic State, according to some
:14:33. > :14:37.analysis, and there is clearly a problem across the country with
:14:38. > :14:41.disaffected people, going to Islamic State to fight in that Jihadi
:14:42. > :14:46.conflict there. It will be incredibly hard for the French
:14:47. > :14:50.security service that are suffering, that have suffered their third
:14:51. > :14:54.massive, terrible tragic terrorist attack, to keep tabs on everything
:14:55. > :14:59.that confronts them. We are learning that the British police in the UK
:15:00. > :15:02.are reviewing security round every major event over the next seven
:15:03. > :15:06.New Prime Minister Theresa May completed the task of appointing
:15:07. > :15:09.Despite having been billed as the continuity candidate,
:15:10. > :15:12.Mrs May made some far-reaching changes, bringing new faces
:15:13. > :15:14.into the Government, ousting many of David Cameron's
:15:15. > :15:16.closest allies, and even re-organising Whitehall departments.
:15:17. > :15:19.After the four great offices of state had been given
:15:20. > :15:22.to Boris Johnson, Philip Hammond, Michael Fallon and Amber Rudd,
:15:23. > :15:24.the Prime Minister announced two new positions for prominent
:15:25. > :15:28.Brexit campaigners - David Davis becoming the Minister
:15:29. > :15:33.in charge of Exiting the EU, and Liam Fox taking on the role
:15:34. > :15:35.of Secretary of State for International Trade.
:15:36. > :15:39.The changes were more radical than many had anticipated,
:15:40. > :15:43.Mrs May has created a new department for Business, Energy
:15:44. > :15:46.and Industrial Strategy, led by Greg Clark, which merges
:15:47. > :15:58.And responsibility for higher education has been given
:15:59. > :16:03.to new Education Secretary, Justine Greening.
:16:04. > :16:08.Just four cabinet positions have stayed in the same hands -
:16:09. > :16:16.Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at ealth,
:16:17. > :16:18.Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at health,
:16:19. > :16:20.Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns and Scottish Secretary David
:16:21. > :16:27.Theresa May removed many high profile figures
:16:28. > :16:29.from the previous government, sacking George Osborne,
:16:30. > :16:31.Michael Gove, Nicky Morgan and Stephen Crabb.
:16:32. > :16:33.She also cleared out David Cameron's advisers from Downing Street,
:16:34. > :16:36.replacing them with her trusted aides Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy,
:16:37. > :16:42.She has included seven Leave campaigners in her cabinet,
:16:43. > :17:04.Theresa May had been expected to appoint more women to cabinet,
:17:05. > :17:07.but in the end the number increased by just 1 to 8.
:17:08. > :17:09.So, how will the new Secretaries of State be feeling today?
:17:10. > :17:12.And what will be at the top of the agenda on their
:17:13. > :17:24.Giles has been talking to some of their predecessors.
:17:25. > :17:31.Er We are told that there are more people that went to state school in
:17:32. > :17:35.this Government, since Attlee in 1945. So how will the new Secretary
:17:36. > :17:40.of State be feeling today and what will be at the top of the agenda in
:17:41. > :17:42.the first few days in the job? Our Giles has been talking to some of
:17:43. > :17:50.their predecessors. Imagine yourself, nervous, delighted
:17:51. > :17:52.to have to have been appointed, possibly itching to get
:17:53. > :17:56.on with the job you've always wanted or daunted by one
:17:57. > :18:00.you didn't expect to get. Every Secretary of State is human,
:18:01. > :18:03.so what's it really It is a voyage of discovery and so,
:18:04. > :18:12.you know, you do some things at the start that you probably
:18:13. > :18:14.wouldn't do at the end and you definitely do some things
:18:15. > :18:17.at the end that you definitely I went into the Foreign Office
:18:18. > :18:27.on the first day with a speech, fully prepared, to give the staff,
:18:28. > :18:29.within minutes, literally within, I think, ten
:18:30. > :18:31.minutes or so of arriving. A predecessor of mine described
:18:32. > :18:34.to me that there was a blue sky out of which dark clouds and thunder
:18:35. > :18:36.and lightning came. I don't even remember,
:18:37. > :18:38.metaphorically speaking, the blue skies, because the grey
:18:39. > :18:43.was there from Day 1. Well, the priority for me
:18:44. > :18:46.was to prove to people There was scepticism about that
:18:47. > :18:50.and I said to officials - look, I want you to argue with me
:18:51. > :18:53.but, also, once I've made a decision, I want
:18:54. > :18:56.you to get on with it. How Day 1 in a department goes,
:18:57. > :18:59.depends on how you got the job. In 2010, William Hague entered
:19:00. > :19:09.the Foreign Office, having already met in Opposition
:19:10. > :19:10.the Permanent Secretary, to discuss what he
:19:11. > :19:13.might do on Day 1. We ended up having a dinner,
:19:14. > :19:15.inside the headquarters Now in what other country
:19:16. > :19:20.in the world does an Opposition figure plan the next
:19:21. > :19:24.Government with the officials, inside the headquarters
:19:25. > :19:32.of the intelligence agency? But, being appointed,
:19:33. > :19:33.after a general election, When I turned up, I think I'd
:19:34. > :19:40.probably not got my head into that mode, as much as I would have done,
:19:41. > :19:43.had I been pretty certain I was going to hold my seat and,
:19:44. > :19:47.therefore, I think those first few days, looking back,
:19:48. > :19:51.were wasted days for me. It took me the weekend
:19:52. > :19:54.to actually think - well, I have got the job,
:19:55. > :20:00.now what do I want to do? Ed Balls knew there was a chance
:20:01. > :20:04.Gordon Brown would give him a job but as Day 1 started,
:20:05. > :20:09.he clearly wasn't sure. I was doing an interview
:20:10. > :20:11.at 7.30am, live on BBC Leeds. As I was doing the interview my
:20:12. > :20:15.mobile phone rang and they could hear it down the line,
:20:16. > :20:17.the interviewers, I looked I said, "I can't answer this live
:20:18. > :20:26.on the radio." Then it rang off and the presenters
:20:27. > :20:29.from BBC Leeds said, "Oh my gosh, you've
:20:30. > :20:31.missed your chance." And there was a little bit of me
:20:32. > :20:34.which was slightly worried Sadly, once you are in office,
:20:35. > :20:43.there's no guarantee For the first few days,
:20:44. > :20:48.indeed the first couple of weeks, I was sitting at a desk
:20:49. > :20:52.with some partitions, I then graduated to a meeting
:20:53. > :21:01.room and eventually So, you know, it was
:21:02. > :21:04.like a rickety start-up. And, of course, for those who do
:21:05. > :21:08.have be a office on Day 1, you never know what you're
:21:09. > :21:10.going to find in it. And as part of the process
:21:11. > :21:17.of finding out what happens in a department, we came
:21:18. > :21:20.across a slide show that said - It was when I was doing
:21:21. > :21:24.the job in Opposition. I have to say, it probably
:21:25. > :21:30.was the least successful bit of lobbying the department
:21:31. > :21:32.has ever done. From Day 2 and onwards,
:21:33. > :21:35.you learn how to do the job better. It turned out to be much more useful
:21:36. > :21:38.to set up a crisis centre that could cope with any crisis,
:21:39. > :21:41.the ones that you haven't predicted, than to try to predict what crisis
:21:42. > :21:44.was going to happen next. I learnt that after,
:21:45. > :21:47.you know, ten months or so. As a flock of new ministers
:21:48. > :21:55.are taking up their roles, don't imagine their Day 1
:21:56. > :21:59.as a Secretary of State puts them in any less of a flap than Day 1
:22:00. > :22:18.in any job does to any of us. Our Gilles there. He has done a
:22:19. > :22:22.series of mini documentaries on the great offices of the Secretary of
:22:23. > :22:26.State. If any of the new incumbents are watching, I'm sure we could find
:22:27. > :22:32.a box set and you can hit the ground running. Sam, it took Margaret
:22:33. > :22:36.Thatcher four or five years to get the Cabinet she wanted. Are you
:22:37. > :22:42.surprised that Mrs May has done it in 24 hours? Not hugely. She seems
:22:43. > :22:46.to have shown a certain amount of pre-planning in everything she has
:22:47. > :22:50.done in the early hours of her Premiership. I find her style
:22:51. > :22:56.absolutely fascinating. And very different from David Cameron. This
:22:57. > :23:03.reshuffle shows her incredible self-confidence. It was definitely
:23:04. > :23:08.ballsy, definitely, possibly even foolhardy when we see how it plays
:23:09. > :23:12.out. What she has done, whereas David Cameron put people he was very
:23:13. > :23:15.close to in senior jobs, particularly George Osborne, people
:23:16. > :23:20.he was never going to disagree with, in public or in private, what May
:23:21. > :23:23.hae has done is lined up a load has lined up big beasts who all have
:23:24. > :23:27.completely different views on the biggest job this Government has to
:23:28. > :23:30.do. So you have the challenge of Brexit coming down the track, which
:23:31. > :23:34.will be the single biggest thing this Government has to do and she
:23:35. > :23:39.has brought in David Davis to run the Brexit department, Boris Johnson
:23:40. > :23:43.to run the Foreign Office, and Philip Hammond to run are the
:23:44. > :23:48.Treasury and you couldn't get more divergent views about how to deal
:23:49. > :23:54.with Brexit from David Hammond and David Davis. One threatened a WTO
:23:55. > :24:00.tariff system and Philip Hammond wants to remain as close as we can.
:24:01. > :24:04.What that means, there is only one place in in the Government, Theresa
:24:05. > :24:09.May, she has to synthesize and unite a divergent top team. Now, if she
:24:10. > :24:13.turns out to be an absolutely brilliant man and woman manager,
:24:14. > :24:22.that's great. If she isn't, God help Britain. Well, you may not be
:24:23. > :24:25.surprised. I am I'm surprised by the scale of it, and I'm surprised it
:24:26. > :24:29.snted just about men and women, it is about quite a substantial change
:24:30. > :24:32.in the structure of Whitehall that has taken place, in departments as
:24:33. > :24:37.well. Which can only men she's been think being this for a long time?
:24:38. > :24:40.Oh, yes. It struck me, Andrew, you have been sitting there in
:24:41. > :24:45.interviews, and I'm sure this has never happened to you and you have
:24:46. > :24:50.occasionally thought, I'm sure it doesn't happen to you, I could clear
:24:51. > :24:53.out everybody. She had that work place fantasy and has put it into
:24:54. > :25:01.practice. It wasn't something that has done every night. And
:25:02. > :25:04.particularly the boring nitty gritty meets, that departmental change
:25:05. > :25:07.including education. So she has a view certain things don't work well
:25:08. > :25:10.in the Government. She didn't think it was worth bothering to talk to
:25:11. > :25:15.David Cameron and George Osborne about, that she didn't think it with
:25:16. > :25:19.get very far. She had a famously testy relationship with George
:25:20. > :25:24.Osborne. She had it down on a piece of paper. It makes me think she was
:25:25. > :25:31.the only person who thought she was definitely going to become the Prime
:25:32. > :25:38.Minister. It is a no mercy change. Sam talks about the balance. : It is
:25:39. > :25:44.a breaksity-heavy Cabinet and we saw people like Andrea Leadsom, only a
:25:45. > :25:52.week ago, a competitor, fell foul of Theresa May and with everybody with
:25:53. > :25:56.her daft remarks but is thought, DEFRA isn't right for her, there is
:25:57. > :26:01.an element of revenge. It does have a Brexit feel to t because she has
:26:02. > :26:05.put the three Brexiteers, Boris, Johnson, Liam Fox, David Davis into
:26:06. > :26:10.the key posts for Brexit. Of course, given they are not exactly best
:26:11. > :26:14.friends, the three amigos, so we shall see what happens there, but
:26:15. > :26:22.the bigger challenge is not people, the bigger challenge is she made
:26:23. > :26:24.enormous almost Ed Miliband-esque speech before she walked into
:26:25. > :26:29.Downing Street earlier this week. That's fine. Largely rhetoric. How
:26:30. > :26:34.you turn that into policy is a much bigger chal in. Absolutely. She --
:26:35. > :26:39.challenge. She has been think being this for years, if you go back to a
:26:40. > :26:43.speech she made in 2013. It was nigh on identical to the speech she gave
:26:44. > :26:47.on the steps of number ten and an article she wrote in the Times on
:26:48. > :26:50.Monday. That's the length of time she has been planning this but you
:26:51. > :26:53.are right, actually for me, the biggest challenge for Theresa May is
:26:54. > :26:59.not the things you mentioned, it is the fact she has a majority of 12.
:27:00. > :27:03.Now a majority of 12, at a time when her in-tray is more complicated and
:27:04. > :27:09.fraught than at any time in my lifetime. And also an op Opposition
:27:10. > :27:14.in chaos, which makes the majority of 12 bigger in practice. She has
:27:15. > :27:17.picked on one faction, the modernised and taken them out and
:27:18. > :27:21.had them shot. They will be on the bdgess, possibly grumbling and being
:27:22. > :27:25.unhelpful. You have the people supporting Andrea Leadsom. The Lead
:27:26. > :27:31.bangers. What are you calling them? I believe they were called the Led
:27:32. > :27:34.Bangers. A tribute band. They could cause problems as well. So
:27:35. > :27:37.parliamentary votes are going to be tough at a time when we have
:27:38. > :27:44.difficult issues coming down the track. All right, thank you for
:27:45. > :27:50.that. Well speaking of Labour, while the attention has been on our new
:27:51. > :27:53.Prime Minister and deet, the turmoil inside the Labour Party continues.
:27:54. > :27:55.One of the two Labour figures planning to challenge
:27:56. > :27:57.Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership, Owen Smith, was due to formally
:27:58. > :28:01.He cancelled that event because of the attack in Nice,
:28:02. > :28:07.Owe web Smith, welcome. Let me begin -- Owen Smith, welcome, let me begin
:28:08. > :28:12.with Nice. I know you will want to say something but as you do, if the
:28:13. > :28:16.terrorists are now moving beyond the capital city, Nice is a major
:28:17. > :28:20.regional city, a long way from the capital. We have major cities a long
:28:21. > :28:26.way from the capital, are you satisfied that we have the scale and
:28:27. > :28:30.speed of an articled response in this country, if we face similar
:28:31. > :28:40.terrorist attacks? Well, first of all Andrew, can you just say on
:28:41. > :28:45.approximate - behalf of the Labour movement if you like how awful the
:28:46. > :28:49.attack in Nice was. I woke this morning to seat full detail of it
:28:50. > :28:53.and it is horrible for any of us - if anybody who has a family or any
:28:54. > :28:56.sense of how dreadful these events must be for the people involved, it
:28:57. > :29:00.is just heartbreaking to see it happening again and that's why I
:29:01. > :29:04.cancelled my launch today and I won't be campaigning, as it were
:29:05. > :29:10.today. Look, I worked in the Northern Ireland Office, as an
:29:11. > :29:14.advisor and I saw how brilliant our Security Services are and our police
:29:15. > :29:22.forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. Wref'
:29:23. > :29:25.forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. long history of having to
:29:26. > :29:30.deal with terrorism and we are adept at doing it. We know there have been
:29:31. > :29:34.many attempts of dealing with terrorism on the streets of Britain
:29:35. > :29:37.and it has been foiled in recent years by our Security Services, the
:29:38. > :29:40.army and the police and I'm eternally grateful to those people
:29:41. > :29:43.for standing guard over us. But we also know that the Security Services
:29:44. > :29:48.would tell us that when individuals, such as the man who has done this in
:29:49. > :29:52.Nice, are determined to take life, and prepare to swap their own, it is
:29:53. > :29:57.incredibly hard to prevent them. Whether that's in London or anywhere
:29:58. > :30:00.else. We know that when people are determined, it's very difficult to
:30:01. > :30:04.stop them being able to take other people's lives, if they can
:30:05. > :30:09.sacrifice their own. I hope that we will stand safe and secure forever,
:30:10. > :30:13.but, we know that that is not something any of us can guarantee.
:30:14. > :30:17.Thank you for that. Let's come on to your leadership bid. You have said
:30:18. > :30:21.the Labour Party needs new leadership but surely the person who
:30:22. > :30:25.has shown leadership in this has been Angela Eagle. She's the one
:30:26. > :30:30.that challenge plod Corbyn and you are leading from behind? - Mr
:30:31. > :30:35.Corbyn. Well, Angela triggered the contest and I think many people in
:30:36. > :30:40.the Labour Party feel Angela is owed a debt of gratitude for doing that.
:30:41. > :30:44.I think it is now a case of those of us who also think we have got
:30:45. > :30:48.something to say, who also think we have a challenge to make for the top
:30:49. > :30:52.job in the Labour Party, to come out and say so and be brave enough...
:30:53. > :30:56.But you waited for others to move before doing it yourself. Why did
:30:57. > :31:00.you do that? You kept your head down, below the parapet and then
:31:01. > :31:04.Angela Eagle puts her head above and then you join in. Why? If you want
:31:05. > :31:08.the honest answer, Andrew, what happened was I resigned on the
:31:09. > :31:12.Monday, I went to Wales on the Monday evening, and my wife rang me
:31:13. > :31:17.to tell me my brother had been taken seriously ill. I went to an A
:31:18. > :31:21.department with him on that Monday evening and I was with him on 29
:31:22. > :31:25.hours. I came out on the Wednesday to be met with a barrage of phone
:31:26. > :31:28.calls, hundreds of phone calls from members and colleagues in the Labour
:31:29. > :31:33.Party, urging me to consider putting my hat into the ring, I thought hard
:31:34. > :31:36.about it, over the following days, I met again with Jeremy on that
:31:37. > :31:40.Thursday and again on the Monday and on both occasions, asking him to
:31:41. > :31:46.consider what compromise he could reach in order to stop what I think
:31:47. > :31:48.will be a divisive leadership contest because I think we
:31:49. > :31:51.desperately need to heal and unite the Labour Party. In the end I
:31:52. > :31:54.felted there was no compromise that could be reached and therefore a
:31:55. > :31:58.challenge to Jeremy was the only thing that might bring about unity
:31:59. > :32:03.in the Labour Party, which is so vital because we have a Tory
:32:04. > :32:08.Government, the Labour Party needs to be set to oppose it and more
:32:09. > :32:12.importantly be a radical and credible Government-in-waiting.
:32:13. > :32:21.On what policy areas do you disagree with Angela Eagle. Angela hasn't
:32:22. > :32:28.laid out a policy platform. I have started laying out pine, I have said
:32:29. > :32:35.clearly up front I think Brexit is potentially going to be enormously
:32:36. > :32:38.bad for the economy, we need to say to the current Government we need a
:32:39. > :32:42.seat at the table but more importantly we trusted the people to
:32:43. > :32:47.make a decision last time round, we now need to see how this deal
:32:48. > :32:50.unfolds. If it is not as good as people were hoping for we should
:32:51. > :32:55.trust the people to make the decision. That isn't what I asked
:32:56. > :32:58.you, are you telling me as far as you're aware, there are no policy
:32:59. > :33:04.differences between you and Angela Eagle? I am not saying that a all. I
:33:05. > :33:07.am saying one policy difference is I have said there should be a second
:33:08. > :33:12.referendum to give people a chance... They may agree with that,
:33:13. > :33:19.he is a strong pro-EU politician. I am not here to say that. Other than
:33:20. > :33:27.Trident, who policy areas do you disagree Mr Corbyn? Let me go back
:33:28. > :33:31.to Angela or Jeremy. Inequality is a massive problem for our country.
:33:32. > :33:36.Miss Eagle and MrCorbyn are saying that too. Mrs May says that, where
:33:37. > :33:40.are the differences? I propose we should do something about that and
:33:41. > :33:44.change the constitution of the Labour Party, change clause four in
:33:45. > :33:48.order to reflect our desire to reduce inequalities of power and
:33:49. > :33:51.wealth and opportunity. Hold on, your answer to inequality is to
:33:52. > :33:54.change the Labour Party constitution, that is a policy
:33:55. > :34:00.difference? That is the first one. The second thing we should do is put
:34:01. > :34:04.our money where our mouth is on austerity, anti-austerity is the
:34:05. > :34:11.right policy for the Labour Party. You all agree with that? We need to
:34:12. > :34:14.go beyond slogan, I would propose that we institute an enormous
:34:15. > :34:20.building programme in Britain. I would propose there is a British new
:34:21. > :34:25.deal, if you like, ?200 billion investment programme for social and
:34:26. > :34:28.physical infrastructure in Britain, we have allowed our social and
:34:29. > :34:32.physical infrastructure to languish for far too long, we have allowed
:34:33. > :34:36.decay, there are potholes in the streets of Britain but also problems
:34:37. > :34:40.with schools, with the social care, lack of vocational education,
:34:41. > :34:44.housing is a disaster, the only way we will address that is if we have
:34:45. > :34:50.an active interventionist Government. Perhaps where I differ
:34:51. > :34:54.with both, and Jeremy, is that I feel that both New Labour and Jeremy
:34:55. > :34:58.have been too timid. New Labour wasn't bold enough, despite many of
:34:59. > :35:03.the great things it did. Let us not go back to New Labour. We haven't
:35:04. > :35:07.got much time. Let us look forward a bit here, Labour has already lost
:35:08. > :35:12.Scotland. You don't look like getting that back any time soon.
:35:13. > :35:16.Explain to the viewers how a second referendum on the deal that will be
:35:17. > :35:23.done, how will that help you among Labour voters in the north, a lot of
:35:24. > :35:28.whom voted to leave? I lot voted to leave in Wales, lots of the people I
:35:29. > :35:32.grew up with in my constituency feel they were sold a pup. What is the
:35:33. > :35:36.evidence for that? The evidence is anecdotally talking to people on the
:35:37. > :35:40.streets across this country and some polling evidence. What is the
:35:41. > :35:46.polling evidence? The evidence of the lie is clearly. What is the
:35:47. > :35:52.actual, as oppose to people you talktor, what is the evidence there
:35:53. > :35:57.is now a huge buyers' remorse? I didn't say that, I said I think
:35:58. > :36:02.there is out there a sense that some of the things that were promised, an
:36:03. > :36:07.extra ?350 billion a week for the NHS. I think it was promised. It was
:36:08. > :36:11.not promise for this week, they don't get the money until we leave.
:36:12. > :36:15.We are still paying, if I am just asking, because you have said this
:36:16. > :36:18.many times as if people are is suddenly changed their mind, they
:36:19. > :36:24.think we voted the wrong way, it's a big claim. You need to give us the
:36:25. > :36:27.evidence to substantiate it I have said it a couple of time, my view is
:36:28. > :36:31.we trusted the British people to make the decision I think lots of
:36:32. > :36:35.people now feel that the terms of that decision, what they thought
:36:36. > :36:39.they were buying, more money for the NHS, controls on immigration aren't
:36:40. > :36:43.going to be realised, certainly not in the way the simplistic terms they
:36:44. > :36:46.were promised. I think it is reasonable for a Labour Government
:36:47. > :36:49.that does believe that we should be in Europe, and at the heart of
:36:50. > :36:54.Europe to say to people we trusted you to take the decision now we
:36:55. > :36:57.trust you to look at what is negotiated over the next two years,
:36:58. > :37:02.18 months, and determine whether that is what you want. The analogy I
:37:03. > :37:05.would use, you wouldn't buy a car without having a look under the
:37:06. > :37:08.engine and checking it worked. Well, that is what we have been asked to
:37:09. > :37:13.do with Brexit. Now we have an opportunity to test-drive the car,
:37:14. > :37:18.if you like, over the next 18 month period and check whether we want to
:37:19. > :37:22.buy it. I suspect many of your voters will think you are trying to
:37:23. > :37:25.redo the referendum and get a different result, that will play
:37:26. > :37:31.into Ukip. We will see on that, but let me ask you this, if you want to
:37:32. > :37:35.see off Mr Corbyn, don't you and Miss Eagle have to make up your
:37:36. > :37:38.minds which one is going to do it. Surely there should be only one
:37:39. > :37:45.candidate in this race, who is it going to be? I agree, I think there
:37:46. > :37:50.is a widespread view there should only be one challenger. I How will
:37:51. > :37:56.you get there? I am not sure it is not for me to determine as to how we
:37:57. > :38:01.get there, I am prepared to submit to whatever mechanism, whether it is
:38:02. > :38:07.the deputy leader of the party or the parliamentary leadership of the
:38:08. > :38:10.party or the PLP itself, we need to find a mechanism to get to there. I
:38:11. > :38:15.will stand by whatever that decision is. Thank you for joining us.
:38:16. > :38:17.Let's get the latest from Nice now and talk
:38:18. > :38:22.to our correspondent there, Andrew Plant.
:38:23. > :38:29.Andrew, good afternoon to you there, in Nice, the city must be in a
:38:30. > :38:35.terrible state at the moment, as must all of France, what is the
:38:36. > :38:42.latest that you can tell us? There is a lot going on here in Nice right
:38:43. > :38:46.now, every few minutes we are aware of a new police siren go past, we
:38:47. > :38:50.have heard more information in the last half hour, you might be able to
:38:51. > :38:54.see the top of the truck. Yes, we can see it. You can probably just
:38:55. > :38:58.see the top of the truck. That is the one you have seen pictures with
:38:59. > :39:04.the bullet holes in the window, that was driven down here last night. We
:39:05. > :39:09.know in the cab they found personal items, they found bank cards,
:39:10. > :39:14.wallet. They have raided a house somewhere here, we don't know where
:39:15. > :39:22.and what they have recovered. French media are naming a man, they say he
:39:23. > :39:25.is a 31-year-old local man, possibly of Tunisian heritage, his name is
:39:26. > :39:29.Mohammed, so that is the latest information from here, that is what
:39:30. > :39:35.has been said on French media but we haven't had any formal confirmation
:39:36. > :39:40.from the police. What word now, we understand on the latest figures
:39:41. > :39:44.there were, 84 fatalities, including ten children, but there are still
:39:45. > :39:49.about 100 people in hospital and some of them are in intensive care
:39:50. > :39:54.and on the critical list, do we know more about that? Yes, mine that is
:39:55. > :39:57.what people are having to come to terms with, here today. I can't
:39:58. > :40:01.swing my camera round because of the amount of media that are here, if I
:40:02. > :40:05.could I would be able to show you a lot of people standing at the end of
:40:06. > :40:11.the road here, next to a barrier, there are lots of barricades, you
:40:12. > :40:15.can't move freely for obvious reasons, there is a shrine beginning
:40:16. > :40:21.to develop. Lots of flowers being laid. People standing there. You
:40:22. > :40:27.have to be careful where you point your camera, they are having to come
:40:28. > :40:31.to terms with what happened on their street, their town, their firework
:40:32. > :40:35.display when they should have been having a good time, instead these
:40:36. > :40:39.terrible events happened. The death toll stands at 84 but there are some
:40:40. > :40:43.severely injured people and it wouldn't be a surprise if that went
:40:44. > :40:50.up, Andrew. Thank you for that, live from Nice, the city, the region, the
:40:51. > :40:54.country, of course in a state of shock, and will continue that way
:40:55. > :40:58.through the weekend and into next week, it will be a harrowing tile
:40:59. > :41:05.when the funerals begin of those killed in that a tack.
:41:06. > :41:07.We've been joined by Maajid Nawaz from the Quilliam Foundation,
:41:08. > :41:18.Is there any reason we can divine as to why France is bearing the brunt
:41:19. > :41:27.of these attacks in Europe? There is. Two years ago an IS spokesman,
:41:28. > :41:32.it hasn't been claimed by IS but the signs are there. A spokesperson
:41:33. > :41:36.instructed their followers to engage in precisely this type of attack,
:41:37. > :41:42.using cars to mow people down on the streets. In that instruction, he
:41:43. > :41:47.specified and high lighted France in particular, for such an attack, so
:41:48. > :41:52.we have to think why do they have a particular grudge? One is
:41:53. > :41:55.pragmatism, a lot of recruits come from France, France, unlike Britain
:41:56. > :41:59.is on continental Europe it is easier to attack in France than in
:42:00. > :42:04.Britain, though we are overdue an attack here as well. The other is,
:42:05. > :42:10.they Maziar Bahari a grudge against France for things such as the stance
:42:11. > :42:17.on the Charlie Hebdo cartoons and free speech, which is a laudable
:42:18. > :42:20.stance and the ban of face Israels. They have taken such a ban
:42:21. > :42:27.personally and they wish to attack France as a symbol of western
:42:28. > :42:32.enlightenment and freedoms. Are we right to be puzzled, but grateful,
:42:33. > :42:36.that we haven't had so far, a similar attack in this country? In
:42:37. > :42:40.recent years? Yes, I think part of the reason is the fact there is the
:42:41. > :42:45.English Channel in the middle and we have controlled our own border, it
:42:46. > :42:50.makes it harder to get here but to acquire guns for those here already,
:42:51. > :42:53.I must say, Andrew, I think that we are long overdue an attack, I want
:42:54. > :42:58.the nation to be prepared for the tragic day something like that
:42:59. > :43:04.happens here soon. I am frankly surprised it hasn't happened yet. I
:43:05. > :43:08.mean, we take. Co-fort, it is certainly harder to get automatic
:43:09. > :43:12.weapons in this country than in France, in France it is maybe not as
:43:13. > :43:16.easy as America but there are a lot of weapons in France f you want
:43:17. > :43:20.them, this guy was a criminal, you can get a hold of them. But this was
:43:21. > :43:24.not a terrorist attack, it did involve a weapon but it didn't seem
:43:25. > :43:29.to be the most important thing, I mean, anybody can rent a truck one
:43:30. > :43:36.day, and find a way of driving it into a huge crowd the next day.
:43:37. > :43:41.Hamas has been doing this for years, they realised it was difficult to
:43:42. > :43:45.penetrate security barriers so they decided to change tactic and find
:43:46. > :43:49.every day weapons like cars to turn them into weapons and mow people
:43:50. > :43:56.down at bus stops which they have been doing. Global Jihadis in 2010
:43:57. > :44:01.instructed their followers to adopt a strategy. IS adopted a similar
:44:02. > :44:07.strategy. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the UK, a city not in the
:44:08. > :44:13.capital, a soft target, such as a celebration on the streets and
:44:14. > :44:17.festival, or a national holiday, and a car or other such similar daily
:44:18. > :44:22.tools being used. Something unexceptional. Absolutely. It can
:44:23. > :44:28.have a similar effect on the psyche of the nation. A lot of people were
:44:29. > :44:31.saying to me on social media our intelligence services are so
:44:32. > :44:38.wonderful that is why we have not been attacked. It is true they have
:44:39. > :44:44.thwarted a number of attacks but it is true the French police thwarted
:44:45. > :44:48.attacks as recently as the European football competition. When I speak
:44:49. > :44:52.to the services they are the first people to say we can't stop
:44:53. > :44:55.everything. It is kind of, it is wrong and unfair to expect our
:44:56. > :45:00.intelligence services to get everything. Of course they are not
:45:01. > :45:05.going to stop everything. What I would encourage the authorities to
:45:06. > :45:09.do is prepare for the response when an attack happens, that mustn't only
:45:10. > :45:15.be a legal and CT response. Counter-terrorism. Yes, what we need
:45:16. > :45:20.in place is a response within communities, now it is clear we must
:45:21. > :45:25.not letterrieses divide it. Something, we have to acknowledge is
:45:26. > :45:30.yes, terrorists mustn't divide communities but we need a strategy
:45:31. > :45:34.to engage in this struggle. That will be an uncomfortable
:45:35. > :45:38.conversation, Muslims and non-Muslims need to stand together
:45:39. > :45:43.to challenge the ideology that underpins this terrorism. It won't
:45:44. > :45:45.be easy. It wasn't when people started challenging racism and
:45:46. > :45:50.homophobia, but the battles were one, this is a similar struggle. The
:45:51. > :45:54.new Prime Minister and new Government, given all the changes,
:45:55. > :45:57.given what has happened in France, given the enduring and ongoing
:45:58. > :46:02.danger still in this country, they will have to give more thought to
:46:03. > :46:07.this, they will have to do more than has been done so far and think of
:46:08. > :46:11.new ways. Absolutely. Theresa May has had a sterling record at the
:46:12. > :46:19.Home Office, with what she hasn't had to deal with is the community
:46:20. > :46:27.cohesion brief. Prime Minister Cameron, during his tenure, adopted
:46:28. > :46:31.a full spectrum approach. Her views have evolved to accepting the need
:46:32. > :46:38.for a full spectrum whole of society approach. It remains to be seen how
:46:39. > :46:42.committed she is. I am sure it has moved up her agenda.
:46:43. > :46:45.He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy
:46:46. > :46:48.alongside the occupants of Number 11 Downing Street - first Gordon Brown,
:46:49. > :46:50.then Alistair Darling, and finally, George Osborne.
:46:51. > :46:53.Now Mervyn King is keen to encourage state schools to get their school
:46:54. > :47:07.Like these children, I too learnt to play cricket
:47:08. > :47:11.Mine was in Yorkshire, in the primary school in Old Town
:47:12. > :47:18.Today we're in London but the spirit is the same, playing in a team
:47:19. > :47:31.He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy
:47:32. > :47:35.That's pretty good preparation for the world of work.
:47:36. > :47:38.But good schools know that opportunities like this are a part
:47:39. > :47:42.But over the years it's become more and more difficult for state schools
:47:43. > :47:44.to provide opportunities to children, to take part in
:47:45. > :47:46.extra-curricular activities, whether it is sport,
:47:47. > :47:48.or music or drama, or a host of other activities in
:47:49. > :47:53.That's why a decade ago the charity Chance to Shine was started.
:47:54. > :47:57.It set out to regenerate cricket in state schools.
:47:58. > :48:06.Because, to learn how to win and how to lose,
:48:07. > :48:08.that teams comprise people with different skills and abilities,
:48:09. > :48:13.and that respect for the opposition, is an essential part of competition,
:48:14. > :48:14.really altogether mean the spirit of cricket,
:48:15. > :48:22.There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum.
:48:23. > :48:26.And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social,
:48:27. > :48:46.There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum.
:48:47. > :48:49.And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social,
:48:50. > :48:53.Chance to Shine has now reached over 11,000 state schools and more
:48:54. > :48:55.than 3 million children have been given the chance to learn cricket
:48:56. > :48:59.It has helped to build confidence, motivation, and the aspirations
:49:00. > :49:05.My dream job would be to be captain of Worcestershire and England.
:49:06. > :49:08.I had to be Governor of the Bank of England instead.
:49:09. > :49:10.I think I would rather have captained Worcestershire.
:49:11. > :49:12.Well, certainly cricket seems to have ensured
:49:13. > :49:15.children for their lunch today but more significantly,
:49:16. > :49:18.we hope that cricket will enthuse their appetite for many
:49:19. > :49:22.other interests and subjects and to raise their aspirations by giving
:49:23. > :49:27.Chance to Shine is not aiming to produce the next England
:49:28. > :49:33.star but to use cricket to broaden educational experience.
:49:34. > :49:35.So, ask not what these children could do for cricket,
:49:36. > :49:44.but what cricket can do for our children.
:49:45. > :49:56.Welcome to the programme. There is a systemic problem for cricket for
:49:57. > :50:01.schools, isn't there? It is the time it takes, if you are teachers giving
:50:02. > :50:04.up a Saturday or an evening, you do rugby, football, hockey, whatever,
:50:05. > :50:09.it doesn't take so long but cricket can last all day. It is demanding? .
:50:10. > :50:13.It doesn't have to be now. I mean with T 20 in the professional game
:50:14. > :50:16.and of course in the schools actually playing the game you can
:50:17. > :50:20.play it for any length of time you like. We provide all the resources
:50:21. > :50:24.to schools. The aim of this is to add a new dimension to the life of a
:50:25. > :50:32.school,ies headteachers love it. They do? Absolutely? Are you going
:50:33. > :50:35.to win this battle. I was looking at the ECB, by that I don't mean the
:50:36. > :50:41.European Central Bank. Something much more important. The English
:50:42. > :50:45.Cricket Board. They carried out a major survey, 60,000 Europeans
:50:46. > :50:49.playing the sport at the grassroots level than the previous year. Can
:50:50. > :50:53.you reverse that? We can, but the main thing is to get it going in
:50:54. > :50:56.schools. That's what we want to do. Because of the educational benefit
:50:57. > :51:00.of playing a team sport. You can see in some of the film but we have seen
:51:01. > :51:03.it in many schools around the country, that we find children from
:51:04. > :51:06.different ethnic and gender backgrounds all play together. They
:51:07. > :51:10.don't notice the differents. They are all part of the same team. I
:51:11. > :51:14.think that's a wonderful preparation for the world of work. Cricket is an
:51:15. > :51:17.interesting sport. You can be both highly individual but you are part
:51:18. > :51:23.of a team. At tennis you are an individual. Football is a kind of
:51:24. > :51:28.team, although there are famous individuals in that but cricket,
:51:29. > :51:31.combines the individuality and a collective objective? Exactly and
:51:32. > :51:37.this is' why it is the perfect preparation for the world of work
:51:38. > :51:40.later on. - and that's Y Where individual performances matters but
:51:41. > :51:44.so does the team. Did cricket help you when you were governor. Bank of
:51:45. > :51:48.England? It helped me if I was at school. I don't think I would have
:51:49. > :51:53.taken my academic focus as seriously as I did, had I not had the chance
:51:54. > :51:56.to play cricket and do other things like drama and chess. All of the
:51:57. > :51:59.things which a good school provads and which many states schools have
:52:00. > :52:03.not been able to provide. We make sure we can take cricket to a school
:52:04. > :52:10.t doesn't cost them anything, either in time or money and we add to the
:52:11. > :52:14.dimensions. You can provide it - when we played football, two jackets
:52:15. > :52:17.down, and a ball. We can provide everything and the coaches. That's
:52:18. > :52:21.the main thing. Do we have the grounds? No, but many schools or
:52:22. > :52:25.clubs make available their grounds and at primary school level, there
:52:26. > :52:30.are markings in play grounds. You can use it there. That film was
:52:31. > :52:35.filmed in Waterloo in central London in a playground within the school.
:52:36. > :52:39.Of course, lots of second, third generation kids, immigrant families
:52:40. > :52:44.now, they come from cricketing countries, don't they? That must be
:52:45. > :52:47.a plus It is a big plus and thatp integration is a key part of the
:52:48. > :52:50.programme. You soo he it right around the country where people
:52:51. > :52:55.forget whatever ethnic backgrounds they have and they are all playing
:52:56. > :53:01.on the same team. And, part of the danger has been, with the decline,
:53:02. > :53:06.it has become a state school/private school business, cricket has become
:53:07. > :53:10.more dominated by private schools as some of the state schools have moved
:53:11. > :53:14.away. And that's what you are out to reverse? Yes, only 7% of children go
:53:15. > :53:18.to private schools but they account for far more of the professional
:53:19. > :53:22.game. What we want to do, rather like Theresa May with her Cabinet
:53:23. > :53:25.and also the tragic events in Nice, what this brings home, is the
:53:26. > :53:30.importance to put, to make a success of o you are state schools and to do
:53:31. > :53:34.it in a way that breaks down the ethnic divides. Since I have got you
:53:35. > :53:39.here. You were governor when we cut rates to 0.5%. Seven years ago, I
:53:40. > :53:45.think now. Yes. I bet you, when you did that, you never thought that
:53:46. > :53:49.seven years later t would still be 0.5% Absolutely rightful and indeed
:53:50. > :53:53.every minister and Central Bank governor in the G7, who met in
:53:54. > :53:55.Washington in 2008, after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, at the
:53:56. > :54:00.height of the crisis, no-one imagined that eight years on, we
:54:01. > :54:07.would be where we are today. And this - explain something to me - on
:54:08. > :54:11.Wednesday, I think afternoon, Roycers gives us Reuters gives us a
:54:12. > :54:15.poll of the economists, largely based on the city but beyond that,
:54:16. > :54:20.in which 80% of them are pretty sure the governor is going to cut rates
:54:21. > :54:25.on Thursday morning and, of course the governor doesn't cut rates. I
:54:26. > :54:29.mean do they say that on a wing or a prayer, or does the bank give out
:54:30. > :54:33.signals that that's maybe what it is going to do? Well, we never gave out
:54:34. > :54:36.signals. I think the lesson is this - don't bother to look at opinion
:54:37. > :54:41.polls of economists. There is no need to. All you need to do now, we
:54:42. > :54:43.have a very good system a Monetary Policy Committee of nine members.
:54:44. > :54:48.Just wait. Once a month they will reveal their decision. And voted 8-1
:54:49. > :54:52.not to do it. So the economists couldn't be more wrong. Of course
:54:53. > :54:57.they may do it in August there. Have been indications they may well do
:54:58. > :55:05.it. Is it fair to say, putting all the project fear away, is that given
:55:06. > :55:09.that the economy was already slowing down earlier this year and seems to
:55:10. > :55:12.have done since April onwards, that in this quarter and the next quarter
:55:13. > :55:15.we are likely to go through, maybe not a recession but certainly a
:55:16. > :55:19.slowdown? I think we certainly should expect some sort of slowdown.
:55:20. > :55:23.Clearly there is uncertainty now with the new situation, leaving the
:55:24. > :55:27.European Union. That would mean that some investment projects will be put
:55:28. > :55:31.on hold but we simply don't know how serious it will be and we don't have
:55:32. > :55:34.any data to suggest that. So there has been a slight degree of hysteria
:55:35. > :55:37.in the reaction in the last three weeks, obviously primarily among the
:55:38. > :55:41.political class which has been tearing itself... And some of the
:55:42. > :55:45.media, too Media and the political class tearing themselves to pieces
:55:46. > :55:50.and wildly exaggerating things and I hope now we will able to calm down
:55:51. > :55:53.and get back to a proper programme of work to make this departure from
:55:54. > :55:57.the European Union a workable success, which we can certainly do.
:55:58. > :56:02.If they all went and either watched or played a good game of cricket I'm
:56:03. > :56:03.sure they would have a better judgment. They certainly would.
:56:04. > :56:07.Thank you very much. On Monday morning David Cameron
:56:08. > :56:09.was still Prime Minister and the nation was looking forward
:56:10. > :56:11.to a long summer contest between Theresa May
:56:12. > :56:13.and Andrea Leadsom over At the end of another tumultuous
:56:14. > :56:19.week in politics we thought we'd look back at the events of the last
:56:20. > :56:33.five days. I have concluded that the interests
:56:34. > :56:36.of our country are best-served by the immediate appointment of a
:56:37. > :56:43.strong and well-supported Prime Minister.
:56:44. > :56:56.THE SPEAKER: Questions to the Prime Minister.
:56:57. > :56:59.Mr Speak e this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues
:57:00. > :57:04.and others. Other than one meeting this afternoon with Her Majesty The
:57:05. > :57:28.Queen, the diary for the rest of my day is remarkably light.
:57:29. > :57:34.I have just been to Buckingham Palace where Her Majesty The Queen
:57:35. > :57:51.has asked me to form a new Government and I accepted.
:57:52. > :57:57.It is inevitable that there is going to be a certain amount of plaster
:57:58. > :57:58.coming off the ceiling in the chanceries of Europe. It wasn't the
:57:59. > :58:38.result that they were expecting. CLAPS AND BOOS
:58:39. > :58:42.There we go, another, another historic week in British politics. A
:58:43. > :58:46.minute left. 30 seconds to each of you for your thoughts on where we go
:58:47. > :58:50.from here? Where we go from here is that Theresa May, after all those
:58:51. > :58:52.snrours been delivered and everyone sent their congratulations, she
:58:53. > :58:58.really has it settle down. There has to be a really strong centre to this
:58:59. > :59:01.Government. She has quite a separated team as we reflected
:59:02. > :59:07.earlier but at the same time, she has a big job, one job by which she
:59:08. > :59:11.will be judged, how does Brexit go. Brexit was exit for David Cameron.
:59:12. > :59:14.For her, her chance, she has the team and reorganisation and now she
:59:15. > :59:19.has the big chance. I just don't know how we get it a year from here?
:59:20. > :59:23.I can't see quite what we are going to do on Brexit? I can't see how you
:59:24. > :59:28.square demands to stay close to the single market with what the public
:59:29. > :59:31.think they voted for in a referendum on immigration and I think that will
:59:32. > :59:35.be the defining question question of her Government and if she solved
:59:36. > :59:39.that everything else unfolds well for her after that but it will be
:59:40. > :59:44.very hard. Perfect timing, we must have the two of you back. Thank you
:59:45. > :59:45.very much. Thank you to all of my guests.
:59:46. > :59:50.The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.
:59:51. > :59:53.I'll be back on Sunday with the Sunday Politics,