:00:37. > :00:41.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:42. > :00:43.The two people challenging Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour
:00:44. > :00:46.leadership will be making their pitch to fellow MPs today,
:00:47. > :00:50.but will a unity candidate emerge and if so, who?
:00:51. > :00:53.The Labour leader seems to be taking the threat to his position as a bit
:00:54. > :00:57.We'll be looking at what happens next in this battle
:00:58. > :01:02.The vote on whether to replace the Trident nuclear weapons system
:01:03. > :01:05.could hardly have come at a worse time for Labour.
:01:06. > :01:10.Is the government forcing the issue just to divide their opponents?
:01:11. > :01:12.Politics has been a pretty rough business recently,
:01:13. > :01:16.but can some of the blame for that be laid at the door
:01:17. > :01:23.And as Boris Johnson takes to the world stage for the first
:01:24. > :01:26.time as foreign secretary, we'll be asking is he the right man
:01:27. > :01:37.And things may be hotting up here at Westminster,
:01:38. > :01:40.in more ways than one, but I'm joined by two MPs who are
:01:41. > :01:45.always as cool as cucumbers - it's the Conservative MP
:01:46. > :01:48.Nicholas Soames and the Labour MP Lisa Nandy, both sheltering
:01:49. > :01:51.from the heatwave in our studio for the rest of the show.
:01:52. > :01:56.First today, Theresa May is in Cardiff this morning meeting
:01:57. > :02:00.with the first minister of Wales, Carwyn Jones.
:02:01. > :02:03.We're told the new Prime Minister will emphasise her strong personal
:02:04. > :02:06.support for the union, and repeat her commitment to working
:02:07. > :02:09.with the devolved governments of the UK ahead of negotiations
:02:10. > :02:14.The man who'll be responsible for those negotiations
:02:15. > :02:19.is David Davis, the Secretary of State for exiting the EU,
:02:20. > :02:23.and he talked to Sky News yesterday about his hopes for new trade deals
:02:24. > :02:29.Liam is going around the world and he is going to be making huge
:02:30. > :02:32.trade deals all over the place and we'll get a very,
:02:33. > :02:35.very large trade deal, much bigger than the European Union,
:02:36. > :02:41.I'm not going to set Liam targets, but a multiple of the size
:02:42. > :02:47.And the moment we leave they will all come in.
:02:48. > :02:56.That is actually an enormous upside to this thing.
:02:57. > :03:05.He sounded very confident, do you think this Brexit idea from a remain
:03:06. > :03:09.perspective may succeed? Let's hope for all our sakes that it does.
:03:10. > :03:17.David Davis is right, there are big opportunities for trade, but the
:03:18. > :03:21.problem is it is all very well to get agreement in principle on a
:03:22. > :03:24.trade deal, but to get from point a to point B is a very complex and
:03:25. > :03:28.difficult matter. That will be a factor in the speed at which these
:03:29. > :03:34.transactions will be undertaken. Do you think this optimism is not going
:03:35. > :03:39.to be genuinely felt when it comes to former negotiations? No, we have
:03:40. > :03:45.to be optimistic about the future, but it has to be optimism tinged
:03:46. > :03:48.with realism. Australia has already called for a free-trade deal with
:03:49. > :03:54.Britain following our exit from the European Union when it comes, so
:03:55. > :03:57.people are up for it. It is right we should be exploring all of the
:03:58. > :04:00.opportunities, but I was worried when I saw David Davies claiming
:04:01. > :04:06.they would have a trade deal that was perhaps bigger than the whole of
:04:07. > :04:10.that world trade that is available to us. It seems we have learned very
:04:11. > :04:14.little from the Brexit campaign which made claims that did not stack
:04:15. > :04:19.up and which they later abandoned. What we want to see in a job like
:04:20. > :04:24.that is somebody who is optimistic but realistic and he does not fit
:04:25. > :04:28.the bill. In terms of scaremongering, some of that came
:04:29. > :04:33.from the remain side, particularly from people like George Osborne, and
:04:34. > :04:40.Liam Fox, the new International trade Secretary, he says he is
:04:41. > :04:45.working on about a dozen trade deals and out of that welcome something
:04:46. > :04:49.that will benefit us. I agree with the idea about being entirely
:04:50. > :04:53.realistic. I think David Davis is right to be optimistic and to get
:04:54. > :04:57.people to lift their eyes to the hills and to see what is going to
:04:58. > :05:02.come, but it will be a long, hard slog. Of course the Canadians and
:05:03. > :05:06.the Americans will all want to do trade deals with us and it does not
:05:07. > :05:11.happen overnight. We will have to be realistic about how long this will
:05:12. > :05:16.take. How long will it take? David Davis has already set out a broad
:05:17. > :05:23.timetable, trigger article 50 and it is all set up by January 20 19. None
:05:24. > :05:27.of these things go like rail lines and a train on rail lines and I
:05:28. > :05:35.think we need to press on as quickly as we can. You would go for a quick
:05:36. > :05:40.starts I would do what Liam Fox is doing, which is to get on with
:05:41. > :05:43.overtures to our friends. The Trade Minister, together with Mark Price,
:05:44. > :05:48.the former Trade Minister, they will go round all our potential partners
:05:49. > :05:55.getting in place the architecture so that we can press forward. If we
:05:56. > :06:00.cannot formally negotiate until Article 50 is triggered... No one
:06:01. > :06:05.knows when that will be. Is he the right man for the job? When I was
:06:06. > :06:08.Minister for the Armed Forces David Davis was a minister for Europe and
:06:09. > :06:15.he is a very confident, clever, tough negotiator. You were shaking
:06:16. > :06:22.your head. What we need to hear from David Davis, or whoever Theresa May
:06:23. > :06:25.chooses in this critical position, him and Liam Fox and Boris Johnson
:06:26. > :06:29.have all been tasked with major relations with the rest of the
:06:30. > :06:33.world. We need to hear about the terms of the deals and who they
:06:34. > :06:37.benefit. They cannot be conducted behind closed doors and they must
:06:38. > :06:43.benefit the workforce here and not just be done on the basis we will
:06:44. > :06:47.take whatever deal we can get. Deals have been consistently one of the
:06:48. > :06:51.ways that the UK has been a force for good in the UK and the rest of
:06:52. > :06:58.the world. I have not heard anything from any of the people she is
:06:59. > :07:02.accounted about anything like that. The UK could continue to get tariff
:07:03. > :07:08.free access to the European market whilst allowing it to impose rules
:07:09. > :07:13.on immigration. That sounds like having it all. There is no such
:07:14. > :07:17.thing as having it all. We are at the beginning of this very long
:07:18. > :07:22.process and Lisa knows that very well. These trade deals need to be
:07:23. > :07:28.good trade deals. Would that be a good one? That would be wonderful if
:07:29. > :07:32.we could get it. But one does not assume that it is all going to be
:07:33. > :07:35.plain sailing with the European Union, but we have to make our case
:07:36. > :07:35.for the best possible deal we can get.
:07:36. > :07:41.The question for today is about Labour leader Jeremy
:07:42. > :07:44.He learnt about a new playground craze thanks to Adam
:07:45. > :07:46.on the Sunday Politics, but what was that craze?
:07:47. > :07:57.At the end of the show, Nicholas and Lisa will give
:07:58. > :08:09.I know this one. I have never seen you so excited. There is no prize.
:08:10. > :08:13.MPs will vote this afternoon on whether to renew the UK's Trident
:08:14. > :08:18.In one of her first acts as Prime Minister, Theresa May
:08:19. > :08:21.will move a motion in the commons saying that Trident remains
:08:22. > :08:24.essential to the UK's security and to protecting our way of life.
:08:25. > :08:29.The Trident weapons system currently operates
:08:30. > :08:34.To maintain this requires four submarines, one armed
:08:35. > :08:41.The current fleet of submarines is due to become obsolete by the end
:08:42. > :08:44.of the decade and will begin to end their working lives some
:08:45. > :08:50.MPs need to decide now whether to replace them
:08:51. > :08:56.as new submarines could take up to seventeen years to develop.
:08:57. > :09:00.The government says it will cost ?31 billion to renew,
:09:01. > :09:04.but opponents like the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament put
:09:05. > :09:09.the estimate far higher at over ?200 billion.
:09:10. > :09:12.The Conservatives committed to renewing Trident in their 2015
:09:13. > :09:18.manifesto, but the Labour party is split over the issue.
:09:19. > :09:22.While leader Jeremy Corbyn opposes renewal and will vote
:09:23. > :09:25.against the motion he has given his MPs a free vote
:09:26. > :09:30.and many look set to support the Government's renewal plans.
:09:31. > :09:32.Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry, however,
:09:33. > :09:35.says she will abstain because the Government
:09:36. > :09:39.is using the decision to "play games with the Labour Party".
:09:40. > :09:42.The SNP are unanimous in their opposition to Trident
:09:43. > :09:47.and all 54 of their MPs will vote against today's motion.
:09:48. > :09:50.Speaking to the BBC this morning defence Secretary Michael Fallon
:09:51. > :09:53.insisted the vote, which isn't binding,
:09:54. > :09:58.We have postponed this vote for several months now
:09:59. > :10:01.because of the referendum and the elections before it.
:10:02. > :10:04.There will be a large number of Labour MPs,
:10:05. > :10:07.I hope MPs from all sides of the House, who have always
:10:08. > :10:09.supported a nuclear deterrent and I hope will be voting
:10:10. > :10:14.We don't see this as a party political issue.
:10:15. > :10:19.I hope we will get the largest possible majority from Parliament.
:10:20. > :10:28.That was Michael Fallon. We are joined by the Green Party MP
:10:29. > :10:33.Caroline Lucas. Welcome. Lisa Nandi, which way will you go? I will not be
:10:34. > :10:37.supporting the motion because having read it, it has become very clear
:10:38. > :10:43.that what Theresa May is doing is abandoning the commitment to
:10:44. > :10:47.multi-natural disarmament which my party has believed in ever since the
:10:48. > :10:52.beginning of nuclear weapons. This marks a shift in the Tory party's
:10:53. > :10:56.position. I will listen to what she has got to say, but if I do not hear
:10:57. > :11:01.a plan around multilateral disarmament, I will be voting
:11:02. > :11:05.against. You had been in favour, you are changing your position. I am not
:11:06. > :11:09.a pacifist, I believe there are reasons to think we may need a
:11:10. > :11:12.nuclear deterrent now and Trident may be that solution. But the truth
:11:13. > :11:27.is just you recognise the conditions
:11:28. > :11:30.for disarmament do not currently exist, it does not mean we should
:11:31. > :11:32.not aspire to rid the world of nuclear weapons and take concrete
:11:33. > :11:35.steps to do that. What Theresa May has done in the wording of this
:11:36. > :11:38.motion today is to take that off the table, definitely for 20-30 years,
:11:39. > :11:40.but potentially for good, and I am concerned about that. There was a
:11:41. > :11:43.phrase that said, we commit ourselves to nuclear weapons for as
:11:44. > :11:47.long as the global security situation demands. That is an open
:11:48. > :11:51.ended, vague statement which goes back on the commitments we have made
:11:52. > :11:56.as a country and for my party in government and I cannot support
:11:57. > :12:01.that. What do you say? Of course I respect views like that and there
:12:02. > :12:05.are very honourable views held on both sides. I was a defence Minister
:12:06. > :12:09.for five years in the 90s and nothing has changed my views since I
:12:10. > :12:14.was party to the information that I knew about them. I think the world
:12:15. > :12:20.has become more dangerous, not less dangerous, and nothing that I have
:12:21. > :12:24.seen that I can usefully forecast myself as far out as I can possibly
:12:25. > :12:30.see leads me to believe that would be the case. What about the point
:12:31. > :12:34.about in terms of removing some sort of commitment are looking at this
:12:35. > :12:40.idea of disarmament if the world becomes more secure? I do not think
:12:41. > :12:46.that is the case. If there was an opportunity for us to decide on an
:12:47. > :12:49.equal, sane, sensible, Safeway, I am quite sure we would. That moment
:12:50. > :12:53.does not exist now and we must take the decision to get on and that is
:12:54. > :12:58.why the Prime Minister has brought this motion today. We have made the
:12:59. > :13:05.decision to get on. Parliament had about several years ago. Part of
:13:06. > :13:08.that was that Margaret Beckett at the time made concrete steps that
:13:09. > :13:15.the government would take to lead the world in multilateral
:13:16. > :13:20.disarmament. Whichever way you look, the behaviour of the Russians, the
:13:21. > :13:23.nuclear situation all over the world is becoming more and more difficult.
:13:24. > :13:28.Do not go ahead with this would not be a safe thing for our country. In
:13:29. > :13:33.the past you have sent thousands of jobs would be at stake. Have you
:13:34. > :13:39.changed your mind? Will you let down those people whose jobs would be at
:13:40. > :13:43.risk? This is something I have to make a decision about as every
:13:44. > :13:48.member of Parliament does today. If I was in Theresa May's position and
:13:49. > :13:53.in my civil servants brought me a motion, a plan that said, we will
:13:54. > :13:55.renew Trident, we will not consider any alternatives, we will not
:13:56. > :13:59.consider how much it costs because we do not know over the lifetime how
:14:00. > :14:02.much it will cost because the government has not done a
:14:03. > :14:09.projection, and we are not going to do that alongside any multilateral
:14:10. > :14:15.disarmament. I would say to them, take it away and bring me something
:14:16. > :14:19.better. The Labour Party does not know what its position is and are
:14:20. > :14:25.you disappointed that Jeremy Corbyn, who will vote against it, as he has
:14:26. > :14:32.done, but he has not taken the party with him, it will be a free vote? I
:14:33. > :14:34.am disappointed. Jeremy Hunt is a fantastic record on nuclear
:14:35. > :14:38.disarmament and nobody could have any doubts about where he comes from
:14:39. > :14:43.and it has been a challenge for him to bring his party with him and that
:14:44. > :14:48.is a shame. There is a process going on right now at the UN, 130
:14:49. > :14:53.countries are engaged in discussions about banning nuclear weapons. Our
:14:54. > :14:57.government has boycotted even being involved in those discussions which
:14:58. > :15:03.is unacceptable. Meanwhile, nuclear weapons make us less safe, not more
:15:04. > :15:07.safe. There was a scary report from Chatham House a couple of years ago
:15:08. > :15:12.talking about 13 near misses which you do not hear about much of the
:15:13. > :15:15.time. There is always the possibility of accidents and
:15:16. > :15:21.materials falling into the hands of terrorists and that is a far greater
:15:22. > :15:26.risk. The government's own Strategic Defence Review put nuclear war at a
:15:27. > :15:32.tiered two risk, below international problems. But we are still living in
:15:33. > :15:37.unstable times if you look across the world from the Middle East to
:15:38. > :15:39.Russia to perhaps even closer to home with Turkey and this would not
:15:40. > :15:43.be the time to send the wrong message?
:15:44. > :15:50.It is the time to send a message we will not be threatening the rest of
:15:51. > :15:55.the world, one submarine could wipe out 10 million civilians and the
:15:56. > :15:59.moral arguments, they are huge. We live in an uncertain world with
:16:00. > :16:02.terrorism and the more countries that aspire to get nuclear weapons,
:16:03. > :16:08.the more likely terrorists will get hold of it. We are a mature nuclear
:16:09. > :16:13.weapons state, we have had the nuclear weapons for very long time.
:16:14. > :16:19.We are of Nato. Fully integrated into the American and global Nato
:16:20. > :16:25.system. Is it the right answer? Yes, in my view. Lisa said something, an
:16:26. > :16:29.important point. There is an enormous amount of work going on for
:16:30. > :16:34.years about the alternatives, it is not true to say they have not done
:16:35. > :16:36.that, that work has been done. As the conclusion that the Prime
:16:37. > :16:41.Minister has drawn and the government is that it would be wrong
:16:42. > :16:44.to gamble with the safety and security of Britain and we must go
:16:45. > :16:49.ahead and ordered the new generation. The bigger gamble is
:16:50. > :16:53.nuclear weapons. The Chatham House report mentions Jimmy Carter left
:16:54. > :16:57.the nuclear code in his trouser pocket when they went to the dry
:16:58. > :17:02.cleaners! This is the madness of nuclear weapons. I do not think that
:17:03. > :17:07.is a serious point. It is a very serious point. Let's not bring it to
:17:08. > :17:12.the dry cleaning. There is another point about safety. In 1968, we
:17:13. > :17:15.struck a bargain with other countries who did not have nuclear
:17:16. > :17:20.weapons that I would not look to acquire nuclear weapons on the basis
:17:21. > :17:24.we would take steps to disarm. Whichever way you look at it, we
:17:25. > :17:28.have not done that. We have not done it in the last decade. We are
:17:29. > :17:32.breaking a bargain with other countries and that makes is
:17:33. > :17:37.fundamentally unsafe. The Chilcot report in Iraq, what did we learn?
:17:38. > :17:41.When you break the international rules binding us together, you
:17:42. > :17:44.create new threats and make everybody fundamentally unsafe. Do
:17:45. > :17:50.you think other countries will disarm if we do? Only if Britain
:17:51. > :17:53.takes a read Will we see a world free of nuclear weapons. Like
:17:54. > :17:58.Margaret Beckett, I am not sure we will see it in my lifetime. The idea
:17:59. > :18:02.we now take this from the table which is what this motion does
:18:03. > :18:08.today, is something nobody... Will the let Eber MPs change their mind
:18:09. > :18:13.-- other Labour MPs change their mind? I genuinely do not know. You
:18:14. > :18:17.said the Labour party is split and I think a number of MPs were going to
:18:18. > :18:22.the chamber as I will do is listen to what Theresa May has the same.
:18:23. > :18:27.The motion and the way it is worded is so hard. It is very difficult. If
:18:28. > :18:31.that is the case, what respectable opposition goes into an important
:18:32. > :18:39.vote like this without a policy one way or the other? The policy... We
:18:40. > :18:45.do have a policy. You are allowed a free vote. The Shadow Foreign
:18:46. > :18:51.Secretary and Shadow Defence Secretary will abstain. How you
:18:52. > :18:56.abstain on such an important issue? Emily and Clive have written a piece
:18:57. > :19:01.together saying they believe this is a game and they will not play a part
:19:02. > :19:05.in it. Part of the reason, let me make this point, is because
:19:06. > :19:09.Parliament has already voted for this so the fact Theresa May has
:19:10. > :19:16.chosen as the first act as Prime Minister... Is it incredible to
:19:17. > :19:21.abstain or not? The reason I am going into the chamber today and
:19:22. > :19:26.likely will vote against is because I do not agree with the wording of
:19:27. > :19:29.the motion. You still represent a party that does not have a view one
:19:30. > :19:39.way or the other that has been agreed upon. Looking at that article
:19:40. > :19:41.that Clive wrote, essentially, it is saying they think it is a game
:19:42. > :19:45.because they assume it will definitely go through. If we had an
:19:46. > :19:50.opposition opposing, it would not necessarily need to be that way,
:19:51. > :19:54.this is an opportunity for Labour to join with the Green Party and the
:19:55. > :19:57.SNP and Plaid Cymru and oppose this policy and it could make a
:19:58. > :20:03.difference and the idea this is a game does not stand up. Can I
:20:04. > :20:08.endorse that? I agree, it is not a game. It is not going to change
:20:09. > :20:16.anything. The final sanction of going ahead is going to go ahead.
:20:17. > :20:19.Everything is reduced in commentary to politics being a game. This is
:20:20. > :20:25.not a game, this is one of the biggest decisions any government has
:20:26. > :20:29.to make. To provide for continuous deterrence. They need to get on with
:20:30. > :20:31.it. The Prime Minister will also shortly make a statement about other
:20:32. > :20:37.stuff the government needs to get on with. This is not a game, this is
:20:38. > :20:40.fundamental and of primary importance to the safety and
:20:41. > :20:45.security of this country and of course I respect the views of those
:20:46. > :20:49.who have strong views against it, it is a complex and difficult decision.
:20:50. > :20:54.But it is not a game. If it is not just a game, is it strange Theresa
:20:55. > :20:59.May has brought this forward with any projections about the cost and
:21:00. > :21:06.plan for disarmament and answers to questions like, if Scotland was to
:21:07. > :21:08.vote for independence, whether submarines would be based? Critical
:21:09. > :21:15.questions. She literally has no answer! What does happen in the
:21:16. > :21:19.event of Scotland? The SNP is clear in their position, we do not know
:21:20. > :21:22.what will happen in terms of a second referendum, what would happen
:21:23. > :21:29.to where they will be based and built? I cannot answer that. Sadly,
:21:30. > :21:35.the Prime Minister did not make me a Defence Minister! Maybe that will
:21:36. > :21:38.happen! We will have to do the cost another day. Thank you.
:21:39. > :21:40.In less than an hour, the two MPs who are challenging
:21:41. > :21:43.Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership of the Labour Party will make
:21:44. > :21:45.their pitch to their fellow MPs at a hustings in parliament.
:21:46. > :21:48.The two hopefuls are former Shadow Business Secretary Angela Eagle
:21:49. > :21:51.and former Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Owen Smith.
:21:52. > :21:54.Mr Smith says there needs to be a unity candidate to take
:21:55. > :21:57.on Mr Corbyn, but Ms Eagle says it's too early to talk about that idea.
:21:58. > :22:00.Here they both are sharing a sofa together on the Andrew
:22:01. > :22:08.How do you decide between the two of you who is the more
:22:09. > :22:27.That is one way which we could do it, or we could make
:22:28. > :22:30.an agreement between ourselves, but my view is whoever is the person
:22:31. > :22:33.who commands the largest degree of support in the PLP is the unity
:22:34. > :22:35.candidate and that is the person who should go forward
:22:36. > :22:40.I think we have to have the person who is most likely to beat
:22:41. > :22:43.You are not standing aside, under any circumstances?
:22:44. > :22:45.The restaurant is still open, you know.
:22:46. > :22:48.We're not going to do a deal here on your sofa,
:22:49. > :22:55.So will there be an anyone but Corbyn candidate,
:22:56. > :22:58.Our correspondent is on College Green.
:22:59. > :23:05.Predictions are hard these days and we do not get them right! Is it a
:23:06. > :23:10.case of just one candidate going forward eventually? I do,
:23:11. > :23:15.eventually. I do not think one candidate will emerge this week.
:23:16. > :23:18.Owen Smith might like one candidate after these hustings but I think
:23:19. > :23:24.Angela Eagle wants a slightly longer time frame to see what support she
:23:25. > :23:28.gets from constituency parties before they agree any deal. I think
:23:29. > :23:32.both of them recognise it would be disastrous for two candidates to go
:23:33. > :23:37.up against Jeremy Corbyn, apart from the risk of splitting the
:23:38. > :23:40.anti-corporate vote. Inevitably, they will take each other on,
:23:41. > :23:46.criticise each other and there will be a lot of collateral damage to the
:23:47. > :23:50.anti-corporate and wing of the vote. There is a recognition they will
:23:51. > :23:56.have the do a deal. There are issues around, do they have a joint ticket?
:23:57. > :23:59.And my understanding is nothing has been sorted out. Both gradually
:24:00. > :24:04.feeling their way. The one thing that might change it is once we have
:24:05. > :24:07.had these hustings and we know how Labour MPs have nominated and we
:24:08. > :24:12.will get that in black and white on Wednesday evening, if one candidate
:24:13. > :24:16.was to have many, many more nominations than the other, you
:24:17. > :24:21.could be in a Theresa May, Andrea Leadsom situation whether one with
:24:22. > :24:27.fewer decides to bull out. If they are very close, it could go on for
:24:28. > :24:31.quite a bit yet. Reaction in the Jeremy Corbyn camp?
:24:32. > :24:36.I think they are quite relaxed. It goes back to the Trident vote. That
:24:37. > :24:42.has come as a god's gift to Jeremy Corbyn because he has said he is
:24:43. > :24:46.going to make his stands on Trident, opposition to renewal, central to
:24:47. > :24:49.his campaign. It reminds me of the last leadership contest when he did
:24:50. > :24:55.the same with his opposition to the benefit changes which Andy Burnham
:24:56. > :25:01.and others supported. And that was used to drive his grassroots
:25:02. > :25:04.campaign. It got momentum going and widespread support. And I think they
:25:05. > :25:08.think they can do exactly the same with the issue of nuclear weapons,
:25:09. > :25:12.which Angela Eagle and Owen Smith have said they were back.
:25:13. > :25:14.We come up for it to a long, hot Summer with this going on.
:25:15. > :25:23.Who will you back? Owen Smith. Why? I want the leader of the Labour
:25:24. > :25:27.Party and ultimately Prime Minister with real socialist values and a
:25:28. > :25:33.plan to put them into action. I want somebody relentlessly focused on the
:25:34. > :25:36.future and not interested in fighting former battles. And who
:25:37. > :25:40.understands that to unite the party and to win a general election, you
:25:41. > :25:45.need to draw on the best traditions from the entire Labour Party, from
:25:46. > :25:51.the left to the right. I think Owen Smith is by far the best candidate.
:25:52. > :25:55.You think nobody at the moment could bring those sides together. Do you
:25:56. > :26:00.accept that unity candidate as you describe but I want should go for it
:26:01. > :26:03.and Angela Eagle should drop out as soon as possible? It would be
:26:04. > :26:09.preferable to only have two candidates, Jeromy and one other.
:26:10. > :26:13.For me, very preferable that is Owen Smith. He is best placed to win the
:26:14. > :26:18.leadership election and I think he has ideas about the future of the
:26:19. > :26:23.country and is capable of uniting a very divided nation. He is in favour
:26:24. > :26:27.of Trident renewal. Yes, we have discussed this and I have known him
:26:28. > :26:32.for quite a long time since I was first elected to Parliament. We both
:26:33. > :26:36.passionate about multilateral disarmament. Not unilateral like
:26:37. > :26:43.Jeremy. We not pacifists. Would we do want to see us moving to a
:26:44. > :26:47.situation where we take steps to step down the ladder of nuclear
:26:48. > :26:51.weapons. Most of their colleagues -- do you think your colleagues will
:26:52. > :26:56.have mostly made up their minds before the hustings? I think some
:26:57. > :27:00.colleagues have some opinions about it and others probably will go into
:27:01. > :27:04.that hustings at one o'clock today and listen to what the candidates
:27:05. > :27:11.have got to say. The key thing is that people feel very confident that
:27:12. > :27:14.the candidate they have chosen is somebody who can unite the Labour
:27:15. > :27:19.Party. That is a very difficult thing to do. Looking at the group of
:27:20. > :27:23.people that have come together around Owen Smith, he is in a very
:27:24. > :27:28.strong position to do that. He has managed to attract many of the
:27:29. > :27:33.younger, new MPs, relentlessly focused on the challenges we have
:27:34. > :27:36.got now, whether it is an ageing population, child poverty, clean
:27:37. > :27:41.energy jobs and how Britain redefines itself after Brexit with
:27:42. > :27:46.the rest of the world. That is the thing is Owen is talking about and
:27:47. > :27:51.why he has attracted people from the left to the right. Would you -- you
:27:52. > :27:55.resigned from the Shadow Cabinet saying Jeremy Corbyn could not form
:27:56. > :28:00.a team, how would Owen Smith bring the Jeremy Corbyn side of the party
:28:01. > :28:06.into his side? It is about culture as much as anything. I have no Owen
:28:07. > :28:11.well about five years now and he has always been somebody who has worked
:28:12. > :28:15.with every bit of the party, who has respect for different parts of the
:28:16. > :28:22.party and he is a socialist at heart but not an idealist, a realist. He
:28:23. > :28:25.believes in things like renationalisation of the railways
:28:26. > :28:28.which is one of the most popular policies of Jeromy, he believes
:28:29. > :28:33.austerity was a mistake as an economic programme and morally
:28:34. > :28:38.unsustainable. He says the policies of Jeremy Corbyn, they are not
:28:39. > :28:42.wrong, it is just the messenger? It is not good Saint you want austerity
:28:43. > :28:46.and you want renationalisation of the railways, you need an idea of
:28:47. > :28:49.that and I think Owen is that person. Jeremy Corbyn has a very
:28:50. > :28:54.good chance of winning again, what happens then is the mark the job of
:28:55. > :29:01.everybody trying to save the Labour Party at the moment is to have a
:29:02. > :29:06.candidate who can unite the party. It is a real possibility he can win
:29:07. > :29:10.again, it is a real proposition, he cannot fill a front bench team
:29:11. > :29:14.completely now, would you serve under Jeremy Corbyn if he wins
:29:15. > :29:19.again? I resigned from Jeremy Corbyn's bench because I left a
:29:20. > :29:23.private meeting with him attended by John McDonnell and it became very
:29:24. > :29:28.clear that not only was the current leadership not able to unite the
:29:29. > :29:32.party, but not willing either. That in my view is completely
:29:33. > :29:36.unsustainable, I cannot defend and support it and I cannot see any way
:29:37. > :29:40.I would serve on his frontbench again. So the party would have to
:29:41. > :29:44.split at that point? I could sit and wildly speculate about the end of
:29:45. > :29:48.the Labour Party but we cannot allow that to happen. Not least because
:29:49. > :29:52.for most of my constituents in Wigan and around the country, that would
:29:53. > :29:57.leave them with no forceful voice in British politics and we cannot allow
:29:58. > :30:00.that to happen. France Maude, your former colleague, was on the
:30:01. > :30:06.programme and he voiced a beer that many Tory MPs feel that without a
:30:07. > :30:09.working opposition, it is bad news for the Serbian government, however
:30:10. > :30:10.much it may seem like it is a wonderful thing to have an
:30:11. > :30:23.opposition not functioning. Francis was absolutely right. Our
:30:24. > :30:26.unwritten constitution depends on an effective opposition holding the
:30:27. > :30:32.government to account in the House of Commons. The House of Commons is
:30:33. > :30:35.where it has to be done. Lisa did a very good job when she was in the
:30:36. > :30:40.Shadow Cabinet and all of us were sad to see her go. But the fact is I
:30:41. > :30:44.do not think the Labour Party can pull it together and I am very
:30:45. > :30:49.worried about the next few months because I think there will be a
:30:50. > :30:54.split in the Labour Party. It may lead to the formation of something
:30:55. > :30:57.stronger and better, but at the moment, although I am glad to say it
:30:58. > :31:00.is one of the few decisions in the last few weeks where I do not have
:31:01. > :31:02.to do anything, I want to see a proper labour opposition led by a
:31:03. > :31:06.proper labour opposition led by a good sound leader.
:31:07. > :31:07.Now, staying with Labour, from today until Wednesday,
:31:08. > :31:10.members of the public can pay ?25 to become a registered
:31:11. > :31:12.supporter of the party, giving them the chance to vote
:31:13. > :31:15.either for Jeremy Corbyn or a challenger to become leader.
:31:16. > :31:17.More than 100,000 new members who've joined since the EU referendum
:31:18. > :31:21.won't get a say, thanks to rules agreed by the ruling
:31:22. > :31:25.National Executive Committee last week.
:31:26. > :31:27.But some in the party aren't happy, including Mr Corbyn.
:31:28. > :31:30.Here he is taking a walk in the park with our Adam,
:31:31. > :31:36.There is going to be some quite intense discussions over the next
:31:37. > :31:39.few days and I hope our party officials and national executive
:31:40. > :31:43.will see sense on this and recognise that those people who have freely
:31:44. > :31:46.given their time and their money to join the Labour Party should be
:31:47. > :31:48.welcomed in and given the opportunity to take part
:31:49. > :31:50.in this crucial debate, whichever way they decide to vote.
:31:51. > :31:55.Well, I'm hoping there will be an understanding that it is simply
:31:56. > :31:58.not very fair to say to people who joined the party
:31:59. > :32:03.in the in the last six months, sorry your participation is no
:32:04. > :32:10.longer welcome because we are having a leadership contest.
:32:11. > :32:12.So, with another meeting of the National Executive
:32:13. > :32:15.Committee due tomorrow, could the new membership
:32:16. > :32:17.rules, which some think will favour Mr Corbyn's
:32:18. > :32:22.And could it all get even more confusing?
:32:23. > :32:24.Well, we're joined now by Christine Shawcroft,
:32:25. > :32:38.Welcome back. Do you think there should be another routers? It is not
:32:39. > :32:44.really the rules, it was a decision made on the timetable. Should be
:32:45. > :32:48.overturned? I do not know if we can overturn it. I will be raising it
:32:49. > :32:54.tomorrow because we have had so many complaints, whether we can overturn
:32:55. > :32:57.that I am not sure. The ?25 and the six months together, one of them on
:32:58. > :33:04.their own might not have been so bad. But it is really people joined
:33:05. > :33:09.on the promise on the website that they would have about in any
:33:10. > :33:14.leadership election. If you overturn it, you will be accused of a stitch
:33:15. > :33:17.up again if you reopen it to maybe people who have not been in the
:33:18. > :33:23.Labour Party long enough and who have not been vetted properly. No
:33:24. > :33:27.one knows the people who have joined since January. It is not in the last
:33:28. > :33:34.few weeks, it is people since January who will not be able to
:33:35. > :33:40.vote, no one knows how those people will vote. It is a simple question
:33:41. > :33:46.of democracy. What do you say about the ?25? It is a lot more than ?3
:33:47. > :33:50.which is what people had to enter to vote in the leadership contest. It
:33:51. > :33:55.looks like you will be accused of a stitch up by trying to restrict the
:33:56. > :33:58.rules. It is very steep but my understanding is part of the reason
:33:59. > :34:03.the NEC reached that conclusion is because we had so many problems when
:34:04. > :34:08.we changed the system last time. One of Nicholas's colleagues, Tim
:34:09. > :34:13.Loughton, he signed up to join the Labour Party to vote for Jeremy
:34:14. > :34:18.Corbyn. My understanding is it was designed to try and stop that. On
:34:19. > :34:22.the general point about six months and the fee, being a member of a
:34:23. > :34:27.political party is a long-term commitment and you have to stick
:34:28. > :34:31.with it, debate and listen as well say your piece and compromise. That
:34:32. > :34:35.is the reason that parties like Labour and the Conservatives have
:34:36. > :34:39.lasted for such a long time. Do you think people who joined the first
:34:40. > :34:47.time round do not hold those sorts of values? No, we have always had a
:34:48. > :34:52.freeze date. When I was selected as an MP, the NEC decided that people
:34:53. > :34:57.had to be a member of the party for a year. It seems to me it is not
:34:58. > :35:01.unreasonable to say that you have to have been in the party for a while
:35:02. > :35:05.and to have taken part in party activity before you get a chance to
:35:06. > :35:10.vote for whoever is our leader. That is not what it says on the website
:35:11. > :35:19.unfortunately. But there needs to be a cut-off point? I was a supporter
:35:20. > :35:23.of a cut-off date. The original recommendation was for ?12 of
:35:24. > :35:27.registered supporters. Somebody suggested ?10, but it was moved by a
:35:28. > :35:38.member of the GMB that it should be ?25. When people have paid ?4 in the
:35:39. > :35:46.middle of January and then they are being asked for another 25... A lot
:35:47. > :35:48.of members have knocked on doors and delivered leaflets in the rain and
:35:49. > :35:53.supported the party through thick and thin when they were pretty
:35:54. > :35:57.depressed about the director of the Labour Party and for those members
:35:58. > :36:01.who have stuck with it and worked hard and kept going and shown
:36:02. > :36:04.loyalty to the party, it is not unreasonable to say that you have to
:36:05. > :36:11.have been in the party for six months before you can vote. Does not
:36:12. > :36:15.show that the divide in labour cannot even be bridged, you are even
:36:16. > :36:22.arguing over these rules? We always argue over the rules. That does not
:36:23. > :36:29.mean there is a huge breach in the labour loyalty. There is. The other
:36:30. > :36:37.we have debates and we all come together at the end of the day. You
:36:38. > :36:43.say that but John McDonnell has said he is convinced the Labour
:36:44. > :36:49.leadership contest will be amicable. And was a brick not thrown through
:36:50. > :36:52.Angela Eagle's office with John McDonnell accusing the useless
:36:53. > :36:59.plotters who failed to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn. A constituency
:37:00. > :37:08.meeting had to be stopped because of violence. There have been no threats
:37:09. > :37:12.or problems at all in my constituency. Why was immediately
:37:13. > :37:16.put out that they had to be stopped? It was nothing to do with people in
:37:17. > :37:21.the Labour Party anyway and it was exaggerated. This is coming from
:37:22. > :37:29.members of the Labour Party who are saying it. The person who was
:37:30. > :37:35.trolling one member was the neo-Nazis professional troll. But
:37:36. > :37:37.this has happened in the time that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell had
:37:38. > :37:43.been in charge. As a being saturated? I do not think it has. We
:37:44. > :37:47.met in my party a couple of weeks ago and we had to have the police
:37:48. > :37:51.present because of the number of threats and abuse that had been
:37:52. > :37:56.flying around not destiny, but to the chair of my party and other
:37:57. > :37:59.members. Absolutely there are threats from the far right and I
:38:00. > :38:04.have had those since I was elected and many of my colleagues as well.
:38:05. > :38:08.But what is recent is the threats from the left as well and Jeremy
:38:09. > :38:12.Beadle is right to go out and called for a calm and comradely debate, but
:38:13. > :38:16.let's not seek to pretend it is not happening, it is and it is
:38:17. > :38:21.troubling. Not just because nobody should have to live in fear of
:38:22. > :38:26.threats and intimidation and violence, but the effect it has is
:38:27. > :38:30.so many MPs, Labour MPs, particularly women, feel they do not
:38:31. > :38:35.want to get out and engage in public life and say the things they want to
:38:36. > :38:37.say. We cannot allow people to be silent. We will talk more about
:38:38. > :38:40.Politicians from different parties have been attending a conference
:38:41. > :38:42.in London today called 'Reclaim the Internet'.
:38:43. > :38:44.It claims that political debate online has seen rising levels
:38:45. > :38:49.Well, in today's Soapbox, the journalist and Conservative peer
:38:50. > :38:53.Matt Ridley gives us his take on how the internet is shaping the way
:38:54. > :39:07.The world of social media has given us exciting ways
:39:08. > :39:09.of communicating with politicians, our idols, and of delving
:39:10. > :39:17.But it's also fuelling abuse and driving us apart.
:39:18. > :39:20.Schisms of hatred seem to be fracturing the political landscape
:39:21. > :39:25.The police versus the black community in America,
:39:26. > :39:29.Sunni versus Shia, Trump V Hillary, Brexiteers V the Remainers -
:39:30. > :39:32.all are glaring at each other across cyber chasms
:39:33. > :39:39.Social media is polarising our discourse more
:39:40. > :39:44.It amplifies the personal and the extreme, hots up the echo
:39:45. > :39:52.Communications technologies can decide the political temperature.
:39:53. > :39:56.After decades in which they aided moderate discourse outside
:39:57. > :39:58.autocracies, now they're inflaming it.
:39:59. > :40:02.Opinions boil down to a single shout.
:40:03. > :40:05.Not all of this is spontaneous, some of this is the result of deliberate,
:40:06. > :40:09.coordinated and well funded action, creating armies of online trolls.
:40:10. > :40:13.Critics are abused, threatened and misrepresented to silence them.
:40:14. > :40:17.After the shootings in Dallas, terror attacks across the globe,
:40:18. > :40:23.the murder of Joe Cox, and even brutal fear tactics
:40:24. > :40:29.within the Labour Party, we may be entering a more dangerous age.
:40:30. > :40:32.We need to find a way to tame Twitter, fence in Facebook,
:40:33. > :40:37.insist on net neutrality and revive moderation.
:40:38. > :40:40.To do so while respecting free speech and without handing
:40:41. > :40:46.government the power to propagandise and censor, will not be easy.
:40:47. > :40:55.But it must be attempted before the mutual shouting gets worse.
:40:56. > :41:07.What is the evidence that politics has become more polarised as a
:41:08. > :41:12.result of a contributing factor from things like twitter? It is pretty
:41:13. > :41:17.anecdotal so far, but we do have evidence from the past from the way
:41:18. > :41:25.road radio inflamed people in the 1930s, the way radio made the Rwanda
:41:26. > :41:29.crisis worse. We have pretty good evidence, sector by sector in a
:41:30. > :41:35.country that communications technology can have an influence. It
:41:36. > :41:39.did in Nancy Germany and in Rwanda and radio was important because it
:41:40. > :41:45.was controlled by the state. With Twitter it is free, everyone can
:41:46. > :41:49.have a go. That is right, but in the early days of technology it gets
:41:50. > :41:55.violent and extreme and then it gets tamed and calmed down. Television
:41:56. > :41:59.became a centralising force for the latter half of the 20th century and
:42:00. > :42:05.the same may happen to social media. We may be over worrying. Blogs were
:42:06. > :42:10.pretty nasty ten years ago, now nobody minds about them. Perhaps it
:42:11. > :42:15.may tame itself. But I am worried at the moment and it may not be
:42:16. > :42:19.specifically Twitter or Facebook, but the way people seem to be so
:42:20. > :42:24.much more easily polarised on issues and they get very cross very
:42:25. > :42:30.quickly. Is it polarising on a political front or is it personal
:42:31. > :42:34.abuse? If you look back at Margaret Thatcher and Michael Foot, that was
:42:35. > :42:39.polarised politics, ideological and, perhaps what you are talking about
:42:40. > :42:44.is more personal anger and abuse, less to do with politics in that
:42:45. > :42:49.sense. People quite close to each other on the political spectrum can
:42:50. > :42:55.flare-up quite badly on Twitter and social media. Do you agree with
:42:56. > :43:04.that? Have you had any examples? I am a twitter user. I agree entirely
:43:05. > :43:08.with what Matt says. It is the equivalent of the introduction of
:43:09. > :43:13.the breach leg rifle which blew military operations apart and
:43:14. > :43:17.enabled a supreme dominance. I think it is a very dangerous
:43:18. > :43:22.manifestation. We are also worried about how angry people get with each
:43:23. > :43:28.other. It is almost like road rage, and immediate reaction to someone
:43:29. > :43:33.you do not agree with. If anyone is remotely rude to me, which they are
:43:34. > :43:39.the whole time, I delete it. Or you block it? I block it and if you
:43:40. > :43:44.allow the debate to go on it gets more aggressive. I think I can tell
:43:45. > :43:53.when your tongue is in your cheek, but other people might not. But I am
:43:54. > :43:56.not rude offensively. I am not trying to pick a fight with them. I
:43:57. > :44:03.had a fight with Boris on twitter and he got very angry. That is
:44:04. > :44:08.picking a fight. But on a serious point, what can actually be done? I
:44:09. > :44:12.know anecdotally female MPs, particularly on the Labour side, but
:44:13. > :44:17.I am sure it is happening across the board, they are suffering with awful
:44:18. > :44:24.abuse, death threats of the time and it is mainly on twitter. Twitter is
:44:25. > :44:27.a bit different to other forms of social media. Most of my
:44:28. > :44:31.constituents are on Facebook and the debate on Facebook is more about
:44:32. > :44:38.people's lives and families and it is much kinder and with a sense of
:44:39. > :44:42.fun. Twitter attracts many more people, including politicians, who
:44:43. > :44:47.are obsessives, and we get into that world and cannot stop it. There is a
:44:48. > :44:53.problem, what can you do to tackle it? You say it could happen
:44:54. > :44:57.organically. Is there anything else we can do? When I wrote this last
:44:58. > :45:01.week, lots of people got very cross with me on Twitter because they
:45:02. > :45:07.thought I was suggesting censorship because I said we must tame Twitter.
:45:08. > :45:12.What I mean is not government intervention, but social change,
:45:13. > :45:16.cultural change. Fining people? Government might have a role to play
:45:17. > :45:21.in nudging people to being nicer on twitter. I do not know how they will
:45:22. > :45:25.do that. We used to have something called the behavioural team and it
:45:26. > :45:31.was privatised and maybe we can get it back on this case.
:45:32. > :45:38.We could change the debate on Twitter with people in positions
:45:39. > :45:44.like my making sure when we have debates on Twitter, we behave in a
:45:45. > :45:49.way as we would in the real world. You often see people genuinely nice,
:45:50. > :45:53.decent and normal people who would never dream of using the language
:45:54. > :46:00.they do on Twitter. The distance helps. We could set an example. A
:46:01. > :46:03.debate became furious within seconds, do you remember that? Thank
:46:04. > :46:06.you very much. Now, the appointment of
:46:07. > :46:08.Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary raised some eyebrows
:46:09. > :46:10.in the chancelleries of Europe, not least because he's said some
:46:11. > :46:12.rather disobliging things about European politicians
:46:13. > :46:14.in the past, and they've sometimes Well, Mr Johnson seemed to be trying
:46:15. > :46:22.to put all that behind him today as he made his debut
:46:23. > :46:24.on the international stage. Here he is arriving at a meeting
:46:25. > :46:27.of EU foreign ministers in Brussels. Very, very good to be
:46:28. > :46:30.here for my first overseas trip and the message I'll be taking
:46:31. > :46:37.to our friends in the council is that we have to give effect
:46:38. > :46:41.to the will of the people and leave the European Union,
:46:42. > :46:44.but that in no sense means abandoning our leading role
:46:45. > :46:50.in European cooperation I had a very good conversation
:46:51. > :47:01.to that effect last night with high representative Mogherini
:47:02. > :47:03.and she agreed very much that that was a role Britain should
:47:04. > :47:08.continue to play. Boris Johnson speaking
:47:09. > :47:10.earlier today in Brussels. So, can a man who has in the past
:47:11. > :47:13.managed to offend everyone from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton
:47:14. > :47:16.to the President of Turkey really get on in a top job that requires
:47:17. > :47:19.a sensitive diplomatic touch? Well, we're joined now
:47:20. > :47:20.by the Spectator He's written a book called the Wit
:47:21. > :47:31.and Wisdom of Boris Johnson. Can he? I think he can. You can see
:47:32. > :47:34.in that clip, he is already trying to be serious. In the day's
:47:35. > :47:42.Telegraph, he has stopped his column and he has paid back half ?1 million
:47:43. > :47:47.in an advance for a biography of Shakespeare so is making a big
:47:48. > :47:52.effort to be serious. It is going to be really hard work for him, it is
:47:53. > :47:57.not his natural domain, you have conceded that. How long before that.
:47:58. > :48:04.Art? There are two forces in the mind of Boris. One is to use. He
:48:05. > :48:11.sees a joke and he is logging to amuse. The other force is to be
:48:12. > :48:16.incredibly ambitious. As a little boy, he said he wanted to be world
:48:17. > :48:19.King. This is his step to becoming world King. Is that the right person
:48:20. > :48:25.to be on the diplomatic stage after an attempted coup in Turkey? I have
:48:26. > :48:32.had my differences with Boris and I agree entirely, he will be a very
:48:33. > :48:36.good Foreign Secretary. Because he is a very clever man. Secondly, we
:48:37. > :48:43.need people who can get on with people in politics. He is very
:48:44. > :48:49.affable, Boris. We are going to open a new world. And we need people like
:48:50. > :48:53.that who are recognisable, understandable and company and
:48:54. > :48:56.support. I will make a forecast that he would be an outstanding Foreign
:48:57. > :49:01.Secretary. What did you mean when you said, Mr Johnson was seriously
:49:02. > :49:05.adrift in the argument when he blames Barack Obama of the cup -- of
:49:06. > :49:09.hypocrisy for telling British voters to remain in the EU and he
:49:10. > :49:16.questioned his part union ancestry, and you said he was wrong and
:49:17. > :49:20.everything. This was during a referendum campaign -- Kenyan. You
:49:21. > :49:26.said stupid things about President Obama and my grandfather. How will
:49:27. > :49:33.he become a good Foreign Secretary? He is reverting to type. He will now
:49:34. > :49:40.be bringing all those... I did have a big fight with him. But he will be
:49:41. > :49:45.an outstanding Foreign Secretary. Is it all right to say stupid and
:49:46. > :49:49.offensive things about our allies. And remember the comparison he made
:49:50. > :49:53.with EU constitutions that they would carrying on God expansionism
:49:54. > :50:04.of Adolf Hitler. Can people get over that? Boris makes joke, some of
:50:05. > :50:09.which are deeply offensive, the part Kenyan ancestry is bordering on
:50:10. > :50:14.racism and disgraceful for any politician. I am not concerned
:50:15. > :50:17.whether he has offended many people, he clearly has, but whether he is
:50:18. > :50:24.capable of telling the truth. And listening to what he said in the
:50:25. > :50:30.referendum campaign. Riding around with that figure on that bus. He has
:50:31. > :50:36.written things that he must know if he is very clever, that is not true.
:50:37. > :50:39.Being a buffoon is one thing but a Foreign Secretary that is
:50:40. > :50:44.fundamentally dishonest, this country is in real trouble. What
:50:45. > :50:49.about those claims that people including Boris Johnson distanced
:50:50. > :50:53.themselves from? The thing about Boris is that for 20 years, he was
:50:54. > :50:57.on extremely successful journalist and columnist and you have to
:50:58. > :51:08.attract leaders and so he entertains. We are talking about the
:51:09. > :51:12.truth. No, the supposed gaffes ways to entertain leaders. He has to make
:51:13. > :51:17.the transition to a serious Foreign Secretary and he can leave
:51:18. > :51:21.journalism behind. People will be offended and it was very
:51:22. > :51:25.uncharacteristic, the comment Barack Obama coming he is not malicious,
:51:26. > :51:29.that was wrong. Will he be truthful about what he
:51:30. > :51:37.says? The claims about the Turkish people coming to the EU, 75 million
:51:38. > :51:45.joining now, the ?350 million a week is sent to Brussels, and that amount
:51:46. > :51:51.will be spent on the NHS, is that true? It was like the build-up to a
:51:52. > :51:55.general election when people sex up what is going to happen and the
:51:56. > :51:59.manifestos do not necessarily take place. He did not just bring up that
:52:00. > :52:04.figure of the ?350 million, it was put out by the Brexit campaign. But
:52:05. > :52:08.he is the Foreign Secretary. We will see, I think we will be going
:52:09. > :52:13.through transition Boris. He will still be amusing, you cannot help
:52:14. > :52:20.that. But he will say goodbye to the supposedly gaffes. How will the
:52:21. > :52:25.Russians greet him? He described Putin is a character from Harry
:52:26. > :52:32.Potter and a manipulative tyrant. You could produce endless examples.
:52:33. > :52:35.I can! They recent things. You could produce endless examples but
:52:36. > :52:40.business is business, he is now the Foreign Secretary, he would behave
:52:41. > :52:42.like a Foreign Secretary and he will bring charisma and excitement and
:52:43. > :52:48.more than anything else, Britain needs a recognisable figure as
:52:49. > :52:53.Foreign Secretary. What if that recognisable figure is a disaster?
:52:54. > :52:58.You do not know that. You seem to be arguing he will be fantastic on the
:52:59. > :53:01.basis of no evidence. The evidence points to the country. I hope for
:53:02. > :53:06.the sake of Britain that he does get serious and discover the truth for
:53:07. > :53:11.the first time in his life and stop needlessly offended our allies.
:53:12. > :53:16.Nobody is denying his abilities, he is a very clever and brilliant man.
:53:17. > :53:21.But I make this forecast to you that he will be a fantastic Foreign
:53:22. > :53:25.Secretary. We will get you both back on. Thank you very much.
:53:26. > :53:27.Now, we're saying goodbye to Lisa Nandy at this point
:53:28. > :53:30.in the programme because she's got to dash off to the hustings
:53:31. > :53:33.between the two candidates who want to challenge Jeremy Corbyn
:53:34. > :53:36.Thanks for being with us, Lisa, and have fun.
:53:37. > :53:37.Now, politics continues to surprise everyone,
:53:38. > :53:50.In a moment, we'll talk to a journalist who will be hoping
:53:51. > :53:52.as she covers all the big developments this week.
:53:53. > :53:55.But first, let's take a look at some of the big events in the diary.
:53:56. > :53:58.Tomorrow, US State Secretary John Kerry arrives in London on his first
:53:59. > :54:02.Also, on Tuesday, Prime Minister May holds her first Cabinet meeting,
:54:03. > :54:08.with plenty of new faces and some rather old ones too.
:54:09. > :54:10.Another first for Theresa May on Wedneday - PMQs against JC.
:54:11. > :54:13.Live on the Daily Politics, of course!
:54:14. > :54:15.Wednesday also sees the close of nominations for challengers
:54:16. > :54:18.to the Labour leadership and is also the last day for non-members to sign
:54:19. > :54:22.The Prime Minister will travel to Berlin for a "working dinner"
:54:23. > :54:30.The following day, she will meet President Hollande in Paris.
:54:31. > :54:33.And Parliament doesn't even make it to the end of the week,
:54:34. > :54:35.as MPs and peers finish up on Thursday.
:54:36. > :54:39.They'll all be back at work on 5th September.
:54:40. > :54:48.Isabel Hardman, from the Spectator...
:54:49. > :55:00.The camera supporters had been sent to the backbenches, will that be a
:55:01. > :55:04.problem for Theresa May? I was surprised given she had a reputation
:55:05. > :55:08.for being cautious that she had such a brutal clear out of the goblet
:55:09. > :55:12.frontbench and there are threats from Cameron supporters and those
:55:13. > :55:18.around George Osborne that there will be revenge for this and she has
:55:19. > :55:21.a small majority and it has not changed and when you have a
:55:22. > :55:27.reshuffle, it you upset people who have lost their job or want a job.
:55:28. > :55:30.Perhaps she's not intending to get through controversial legislation
:55:31. > :55:35.during the Premiership, she will struggle to do that practically.
:55:36. > :55:41.What about Scotland? The talks with Nicola Sturgeon and this idea of, I
:55:42. > :55:45.am going to give Scotland a say, says Theresa May. What does that
:55:46. > :55:51.mean in practice? Nicola Sturgeon does not have a veto on the decision
:55:52. > :55:56.to have left the EU although she would like Scotland to stay as part
:55:57. > :56:02.of it. Theresa May's UK wide approach as she calls it has
:56:03. > :56:10.concerned people that Scotland's does have a veto that would cause
:56:11. > :56:13.resentment and upset Tory Eurosceptics, which the reason may
:56:14. > :56:20.need to worry about. Downing Street have denied this is a veto --
:56:21. > :56:23.Theresa May. It depends on the talks with the devolved administrations
:56:24. > :56:27.and how well her ministers for six mat like David Davis get on with the
:56:28. > :56:38.officials from the devolved administrations. What about Labour,
:56:39. > :56:43.will Angela Eagle drop out? She seems to be bleeding support to Owen
:56:44. > :56:47.Smith for MPs minded to support somebody like Angela Eagle but they
:56:48. > :56:51.want to dislodge Jeremy Corbyn and think that is the most important
:56:52. > :56:55.thing. If Owen Smith can win amongst the Labour membership and is more
:56:56. > :57:00.appealing than Angela Eagle, even though she has done the brave thing
:57:01. > :57:05.and went and did the challenge first and is also a women -- a woman which
:57:06. > :57:09.a lot of female MPs want a female leader at some point this century,
:57:10. > :57:14.you may feel they have two abandon her to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn
:57:15. > :57:17.which is the most important problem. Plenty to be chasing over the
:57:18. > :57:20.Summer! Have a good break if you get one!
:57:21. > :57:24.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.
:57:25. > :57:26.The question was: Which new playground craze did our Adam
:57:27. > :57:28.introduce to to Jeremy Corbyn on the Sunday Politics?
:57:29. > :57:41.It has to be Pokemon Go. No flies on year!
:57:42. > :57:46.Let's have a look and see if you're right.
:57:47. > :57:50.So you are holding up the Pokemon and you have to move aside.
:57:51. > :57:53.Seamus is blocking the Pokemon, no, the Pokemon is OK.
:57:54. > :57:55.So there's Crabby, he's jumping up and down.
:57:56. > :58:00.And then what you do is you use this ball and you throw it at them to try
:58:01. > :58:17.Well, my work this morning has not been in vain.
:58:18. > :58:29.We might be the judge of that! How did you know that? I have a teenage
:58:30. > :58:34.son. Yes. What does he think of it? I saw in the papers it was becoming
:58:35. > :58:40.a craze so I assumed your man would not be behind the curve. Indeed, and
:58:41. > :58:42.now the is Jeremy Corbyn. Well done, you got the answer right. -- and now
:58:43. > :58:44.the is. The One O'clock News is starting
:58:45. > :58:49.over on BBC One now. I'll be here at noon
:58:50. > :58:54.tomorrow with all the big