:00:41. > :00:46.There's just 24 hours to go before the result of the Labour
:00:47. > :00:54.Whoever wins, can they bring the party back together again?
:00:55. > :00:55.The Foreign Secretary suggests formal Brexit negotiations
:00:56. > :01:00.Other Conservatives warn against rushing the process.
:01:01. > :01:07.You may have missed it, but there was a general election
:01:08. > :01:12.yesterday in the British Isles - on the Isle of Man.
:01:13. > :01:15.We'll bring you the result of the vote for members
:01:16. > :01:22.And we report from a film festival that celebrates workers' rights.
:01:23. > :01:34.All that in the next hour and with us for the duration,
:01:35. > :01:37.Sam Coates, Deputy Political Editor at the Times, and Caroline
:01:38. > :01:39.Wheeler, Political Editor at the Sunday Express.
:01:40. > :01:47.Let's kick off with the question of when Theresa May will formally
:01:48. > :01:50.start the process of leaving the EU - the so-called
:01:51. > :02:05.We think of nothing else here, you know. It is actually not Article 50
:02:06. > :02:07.of the Lisbon Treaty but a protocol to the Maastricht Treaty. Are you
:02:08. > :02:10.still with me? Probably not. Last night the Foreign Secretary,
:02:11. > :02:11.Boris Johnson, suggested it was likely the Government
:02:12. > :02:14.would invoke Article 50 early The Government is working
:02:15. > :02:17.towards an Article 50 letter, which, as you know, will be produced
:02:18. > :02:20.probably in the early That is still a subject
:02:21. > :02:29.for discussion, but you know, what is clear, I think
:02:30. > :02:31.to our friends and partners We are not leaving Europe, though
:02:32. > :02:49.we are leaving the EU treaties. We do want to have the closest
:02:50. > :02:51.possible trading relationship, and it is very, very much
:02:52. > :02:54.in their interests to achieve that. The Foreign Secretary's
:02:55. > :02:55.statement wasn't entirely backed up by Number 10,
:02:56. > :02:58.though sources just repeated the official line that Article 50
:02:59. > :03:01.won't be triggered this year. Well, this morning
:03:02. > :03:04.another senior EU figure, the President of the European
:03:05. > :03:08.Parliament, Martin Schulz, made it clear he wanted Theresa May
:03:09. > :03:11.to trigger Article 50 as soon What I'm saying is we had
:03:12. > :03:19.an exchange of views about the position, the known
:03:20. > :03:21.position, both sides know. The Government is insisting
:03:22. > :03:30.that they need more time to prepare the negotiations
:03:31. > :03:32.because of the complexity of the project to leave
:03:33. > :03:34.the European Union. On the other hand, we insist
:03:35. > :03:37.to trigger Article 50 as soon as possible,
:03:38. > :03:39.because we believe that uncertainty is not healthy,
:03:40. > :03:41.neither for the economy in the United Kingdom,
:03:42. > :03:44.nor for the whole political system Mar stin skulls of the European
:03:45. > :03:56.Parliament - Martin schuss. Our Ellie is in
:03:57. > :04:05.Downing Street for us. Boris ju Johnson just said what is
:04:06. > :04:09.the working assumption in Westminster, it is some stage
:04:10. > :04:13.between the beginning of the new year and Easter, Mrs May will
:04:14. > :04:16.trigger article 50. That's what we expect, isn't it? Yes, a will the
:04:17. > :04:20.seems to have made of this this morning. But as you say, I think
:04:21. > :04:25.this is kind of what we were all working on anyway. There was that
:04:26. > :04:29.mild slapdown from number ten from Mrs May's spokesman when she pointed
:04:30. > :04:33.out it is Mrs May's decision when Article 50 is triggered and she will
:04:34. > :04:36.only make the decision when it is in Britain's interest. But what Boris
:04:37. > :04:40.Johnson said is essentially what everyone has been working on. It is
:04:41. > :04:43.worth looking back to what it means. We keep talking about Brexit being
:04:44. > :04:48.like some kind of divorce between Britain and the EU. If Brexit is
:04:49. > :04:53.indeed the divorce, Article 50 is the bit with the lawyers, the
:04:54. > :04:58.deciding who gets the CD collection and who gets control of the dog. Now
:04:59. > :05:03.we have the control, we have the control of when to trigger Article
:05:04. > :05:10.50, but when it is triggered it will take three years, so the decree
:05:11. > :05:13.absolute will be two years after Article 50 is triggered so. There
:05:14. > :05:16.been people in the Conservatives, Dominic Grieve saying - don't rush
:05:17. > :05:20.it, we need it make sure that Britain is in a state of
:05:21. > :05:23.preparedness before you get to the two-year trigger. There are others
:05:24. > :05:28.who say - get on with it. Don't forget, Britain remains a member of
:05:29. > :05:31.the EU all the time it is in the negotiations, during Article 50, at
:05:32. > :05:42.which time it can't negotiate with any other trade deals T can't enter
:05:43. > :05:47.into any other relationship with others outside the EU, who may want
:05:48. > :05:53.to enter into trade agreements. We'll leave it there. There is a
:05:54. > :05:57.vacuum in British politics at the moment, because the Government won't
:05:58. > :06:01.give us any details of its timetable or negotiating position. There is a
:06:02. > :06:05.danger when people say something, that is innocuous, we build it into
:06:06. > :06:09.a huge event - Boris Johnson goes off piste, knocked down by Downing
:06:10. > :06:13.Street. It is Much Ado About Nothing, I would suggest. It is
:06:14. > :06:16.number ten's strategy at the moment. Ultimately, the main thrust of it
:06:17. > :06:21.all is not to reveal our cards at all as to where we are going. Lots
:06:22. > :06:25.can change within a very short space of time. We have seen it again with
:06:26. > :06:28.David Davis not long ago where he suggested it would be improbably for
:06:29. > :06:31.us to stay within the single market and that got a mild rebuke, again
:06:32. > :06:35.from Downing Street. They do not want to say anything about Brexit or
:06:36. > :06:39.the timetable until we get to a position that we are on the cusp of
:06:40. > :06:41.doing it. Simply because they don't want a long-running commentary which
:06:42. > :06:47.they think will keep the instability up in the air about what we are
:06:48. > :06:51.doing. But David Davis got mildly knocked back for stating the
:06:52. > :06:57.bleeding obvious. If we are not going to fall under the European
:06:58. > :07:01.Court of Justice - which determines single market arguments - and we are
:07:02. > :07:06.not going to have the freedom of movement that they have now, ipso
:07:07. > :07:11.facto, we can't be full members of the single market. I mean what is...
:07:12. > :07:15.What bit is wrong in that statement? That seems to be where we are
:07:16. > :07:19.heading but what is fascinating and to my mind a little disturbing about
:07:20. > :07:24.where we are right now, is that the Government is shutting down a debate
:07:25. > :07:28.on where we go next. It is possible to have one, George Osborne gave a
:07:29. > :07:33.speech this mornings sort of kicking it off. You have to make a choice in
:07:34. > :07:37.the way that Brexit unfolds in the coming months. The choice has to be
:07:38. > :07:41.- do you in the end put the interests of the economy first? Or
:07:42. > :07:45.do you, perhaps, say that it is more important to deal with migration,
:07:46. > :07:49.the thing that many people think they voted on? In his speech this
:07:50. > :07:52.morning, George Osborne said he thought it was more important that
:07:53. > :07:55.the economy doesn't contract in the coming years but it feels to me that
:07:56. > :07:59.Theresa May has taken the decision is that the most important thing she
:08:00. > :08:03.has to do, the thing she was thwarted from doing all the way
:08:04. > :08:06.through the coalition years from the Treasury, is tying action to make
:08:07. > :08:10.sure you can reduce net migration numbers. And I think we have to have
:08:11. > :08:13.a healthy debate about the consequences of that and the options
:08:14. > :08:17.available to us and we are not doing that because no Government minister,
:08:18. > :08:25.those people with the biggest mega phones are able to talk about it. So
:08:26. > :08:28.I think we are in a weird position where Downing Street stamps
:08:29. > :08:33.everitime somebody says something. In this case, it is an innocuous
:08:34. > :08:39.thing, the Trigger of the Article 50. It is early days and there is a
:08:40. > :08:44.Tory Party conference coming up. They'll have to talk about it there.
:08:45. > :08:48.Martin Schulz says he wants Britain out, sometime by 2019. That's not
:08:49. > :08:54.controversial, that's almost exactly the Government's timetable. If Mrs
:08:55. > :08:58.May triggers Article 50 say by March of next year, which is when I think
:08:59. > :09:04.it'll be roughly then, then a two-year process which takes you to,
:09:05. > :09:08.oh, March 2019 when it all comes to a halt. So, they are on the same
:09:09. > :09:11.side on that timetable? They are. There has been some speculation that
:09:12. > :09:15.there could be some delay because of the election wris taking place in
:09:16. > :09:20.mainland Europe but ultimately, as we said, I think what he said, as
:09:21. > :09:23.you said yourself, is fairly innocuous and probably pretty
:09:24. > :09:26.accurate but it isp wanting to maintain some kind of control on
:09:27. > :09:29.this. They have a whole day of talking about Brexit on the first
:09:30. > :09:35.day of the Conservative Party Conference. She is speaking twice.
:09:36. > :09:38.What will happen on the second day? Well you have all the Brexiteers
:09:39. > :09:40.speaking on the Sunday. They will have to say something. They will, no
:09:41. > :09:43.knows, maybe she will surprise us. And you can see the full
:09:44. > :09:46.interview with Martin Schulz on the BBC News Channel
:09:47. > :09:54.at 5.00pm this afternoon. We are getting breaking news that
:09:55. > :09:58.Jim O'Neilll has resigned from his UK Treasury post. You probably
:09:59. > :10:02.haven't heard of him. He used to be the former - he was the Chief
:10:03. > :10:16.Economist at Goldman Sachs investment bank. I think he was the
:10:17. > :10:20.one that invented the acronym, BRICS, Brazil, Africa, Russia,
:10:21. > :10:26.India, China. He got a job in the Government, I
:10:27. > :10:31.think it is an unpaid job, because he is rolling in it anyway. He was
:10:32. > :10:35.made an elected member of the Upper House and involved in a number of
:10:36. > :10:41.things, including the northern powerhouse. He has resigned, any
:10:42. > :10:45.idea? His job was two things - to nurture the northern powerhouse and
:10:46. > :10:48.ensure that relations with China were smooth T looks like Theresa May
:10:49. > :10:52.isn't terribly keen on either of them. Although she just about has
:10:53. > :10:57.used the phrase northern powerhouse and brought herself to say... She
:10:58. > :11:02.used it four times, there was an article in the Manchester Evening
:11:03. > :11:06.News. But other ministers have talked about the Midlands Powerhouse
:11:07. > :11:11.and some aides in depreet thought to be going around saying - I think
:11:12. > :11:15.George Osborne's northern powerhouse looks like amounting to two or three
:11:16. > :11:19.towns and we think that feeling, that it wasn't important s one of
:11:20. > :11:22.the reasons he has gone. If you hadn't heard of him before, now he
:11:23. > :11:24.has resigned, you probably will hear of him.
:11:25. > :11:30.The question for today is who did former Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls,
:11:31. > :11:33.Was it: a) His Strictly dance partner, Katya?
:11:34. > :11:39.At the end of the show Caroline and Sam will give us the correct
:11:40. > :11:45.The result of the Labour leadership ballot is due at around
:11:46. > :11:52.But while we've got just under 24 hours to wait,
:11:53. > :11:55.all sides of the party appear to have already accepted that
:11:56. > :11:58.Jeremy Corbyn will remain Labour's front man.
:11:59. > :12:05.said this week that whoever wins the leadership on Saturday,
:12:06. > :12:14.the party needs to "put the band back together."
:12:15. > :12:18.So, if Jeremy Corbyn is re-elected, can the Labour Leader get his MPs
:12:19. > :12:19.all singing from the same song sheet?
:12:20. > :12:22.He needs to fill more than 60 unfilled posts
:12:23. > :12:25.Owen Smith has already said he is going solo
:12:26. > :12:28.and will not serve in a Corbyn Shadow Cabinet.
:12:29. > :12:36.Chris Bryant, one of Mr Smith's supporters have urged party
:12:37. > :12:38.colleagues to play their part in reuniting the party with real mag
:12:39. > :12:47.nap imity. has already said she
:12:48. > :12:51.would return if asked. More MPs may serve if Shadow Cabinet
:12:52. > :12:54.elections are reintroduced - Chief Whip, Rosie Winterton,
:12:55. > :12:57.is co-ordinating further talks between Mr Watson and Mr Corbyn
:12:58. > :13:00.after Labour's National Executive could not reach an agreement
:13:01. > :13:15.on the matter earlier this week. 29% of Labour member supporting Owen
:13:16. > :13:22.Smith have told one Sawyer vie that they would leave the party if Mr
:13:23. > :13:26.Corbyn is re-elected. But whatever happens, Labour has a uphill tax
:13:27. > :13:29.task to get to number 1 in the polls.
:13:30. > :13:31.Speaking on Question Time last night, Liz Kendall -
:13:32. > :13:34.who stood for the leadership this time last year -
:13:35. > :13:36.said she won't be joining Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet.
:13:37. > :13:38.I disagree with Jeremy on many issues, particularly around
:13:39. > :13:40.defence and our membership of things like Nato.
:13:41. > :13:42.I think it is very important that Labour remains
:13:43. > :13:49.You know, whoever is elected, I don't think that I would put
:13:50. > :13:52.myself forward to serve in the Shadow Cabinet.
:13:53. > :13:55.We have some great people who can take the fight to the Tories,
:13:56. > :13:58.but we also need, I think, to do some serious long-term thinking
:13:59. > :14:02.about the future of our party and what we have to offer
:14:03. > :14:05.to the country, and that is what I will be focussing on over
:14:06. > :14:10.We're joined now from Middlesbrough by Andy McDonald, a member
:14:11. > :14:13.of Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet, and in Liverpool by Richard Angell
:14:14. > :14:21.from Progress, Labour's centrist pressure group.
:14:22. > :14:30.Let me come to you, Andy MacDonald. Is there not a danger that new a
:14:31. > :14:34.position, now, that the more support Mr Corbyn gets in the Labour Party,
:14:35. > :14:38.and nobody can be in any doubt of the support he has got from Labour
:14:39. > :14:41.members - but the more support he gets there, the less support he
:14:42. > :14:46.seems to get among Labour voters in the country?
:14:47. > :14:52.By the time this is done and dusted we will have a united Labour Party
:14:53. > :14:57.presenting our proposals to the electorate. I think they will prove
:14:58. > :15:04.to be very popular, what we are not helped by is when the party is
:15:05. > :15:12.divided and at each other. We have seen a poll out this morning, that
:15:13. > :15:19.more than 50% of people who voted Labour in 2015 and who backed Brexit
:15:20. > :15:24.in June, now say they won't vote for Labour any more. It's a big number,
:15:25. > :15:29.several million. Those are big number, but I think
:15:30. > :15:33.over the weeks and months ahead we will see that begin to change,
:15:34. > :15:37.because there is no doubt about it, there is a real appetite within the
:15:38. > :15:41.Parliamentary Labour Party for people to come together. We may not
:15:42. > :15:46.get everybody Tetley signed up and supported, but a great number of
:15:47. > :15:49.members of Parliament are wanting to serve and take the fight to where it
:15:50. > :15:53.should be, which is with this Government. I think those numbers
:15:54. > :15:58.will change over the period ahead. They could change after the
:15:59. > :16:02.election, we will have to watch and see. I don't quite detect the
:16:03. > :16:07.appetite nor for everyone to come together. There are a number of
:16:08. > :16:13.leading the Labour MPs who are saying they will not serve in Mr
:16:14. > :16:17.Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet even if he is reelected by a big majority, as
:16:18. > :16:23.the boundary changes get under way, we are going to be looking to see
:16:24. > :16:28.how many deselection attempts there are, that is not the kind of
:16:29. > :16:32.environment to heal division, is it? No, but you have to is that right
:16:33. > :16:36.that process of healing the ethe vision, it is vitally important we
:16:37. > :16:40.do that. I take your point, that there are a number of people who
:16:41. > :16:45.said they won't in any circumstances, but I think that may
:16:46. > :16:51.change, once people see we have that unanimity of purpose, we saw that
:16:52. > :16:56.being led by Angela Raynor opposite the Grammar School debate. We were
:16:57. > :17:02.as one on that issue, and I think when Labour comes together like
:17:03. > :17:08.that, it can be a very forceful voice in British poll tuck, so I
:17:09. > :17:13.think people will be attracted to that and slowly we will see our
:17:14. > :17:16.fortunes rise in the polls and any of the elections that come along, I
:17:17. > :17:23.am confident that is what will happen. Richard, if Mr Corbyn is
:17:24. > :17:30.comfortably re-elected, perhaps on a bigger margin than he won last year,
:17:31. > :17:33.what should centrist Labour MPs do? Well, all centrist members of the
:17:34. > :17:37.Labour Party should stay, should be forthright about what they believe
:17:38. > :17:41.our party should do going forward. We are united about why the Tories
:17:42. > :17:45.are wrong, what we have to do is have the debate about why we are not
:17:46. > :17:48.just an alternative, we could replace them. That is what I fear
:17:49. > :17:54.that isn't there as part of the Corbyn project. How many debates do
:17:55. > :17:58.you need? Need? You have had two leadership contests in the space of
:17:59. > :18:01.a year? The debate doesn't end with a leadership question, that is just
:18:02. > :18:05.about who leads us as the front, but Jeremy Corbyn has got to outline his
:18:06. > :18:10.very serious plans about how he will aim to get more votes than his Tory
:18:11. > :18:15.point, how he will not just have the best lines in Parliament to oppose
:18:16. > :18:21.them, which we are yet to see coming forward but a real plan, for not
:18:22. > :18:25.just policy agenda but alearntive government that can replace the Tory
:18:26. > :18:29.Government. Isn't the danger the more you talk to yourselves and go
:18:30. > :18:34.on about endless debate and discussion the more the country is
:18:35. > :18:41.switching off? Agree, I want to be on the doorstep. You called for more
:18:42. > :18:48.debate. Because we are in the wrong position. You talked about how many
:18:49. > :18:52.voters we are losing, 2.5 million have abandoned the Labour Party. I
:18:53. > :18:59.used to have to go and argue about why we needed to win votes off the
:19:00. > :19:05.Tory, we are having to win back people who recently voted Labour.
:19:06. > :19:10.That is how big the change is, if Jeremy Corbyn doesn't show he wants
:19:11. > :19:16.to bring people in and take them onboard, end the abuse, lots of
:19:17. > :19:23.party members who campaign for Andy McDonald will wake way and say this
:19:24. > :19:26.party isn't for them. Was it not a huge mistake for like minded
:19:27. > :19:30.centrist Labour people like yourself, to challenge Jeremy Corbyn
:19:31. > :19:36.and have another leadership contest only a year after the first one,
:19:37. > :19:40.that you just, you have lost another summer talking to yourself, it was a
:19:41. > :19:47.huge mistake to challenge Mr Corbyn wasn't it. That was way above my pay
:19:48. > :19:52.grade. You were in favour of it even if you are paid tuppence.. It is a
:19:53. > :19:56.fair point none came with sufficient ideas, organisation or the ability
:19:57. > :20:01.to convince people. That is something we have to continue to
:20:02. > :20:10.work on going forward. You can't take any other view if you lose your
:20:11. > :20:13.ideas weren't that good enough currently when the leader of the
:20:14. > :20:16.Labour Party's priority is to raise money for the stop to war coalition
:20:17. > :20:22.not the Labour Party it's a real challenge and you have to focus them
:20:23. > :20:25.back on the core business, which is helping councils getting elected.
:20:26. > :20:31.Focussing on staying in the EU, which we failed at. I think that
:20:32. > :20:36.ship left the harbour on June 23rd. So my point is it did because we
:20:37. > :20:41.were insufficiently up for the challenge. If you look... No, no,
:20:42. > :20:49.you have had a good say, I am going to bring Andy back in, in here. On
:20:50. > :20:57.the European issue, your constituency voted 66% to leave. Do
:20:58. > :21:04.you therefore go along with that, or do you try to find some ways to have
:21:05. > :21:09.another referendum, or do you respect the votes of your
:21:10. > :21:13.constituency? Well of course you represent them. They were angry at
:21:14. > :21:18.the stay to us Quo and they made that very clear to when I was
:21:19. > :21:24.knocking on door, they were furious about the lot they had been dealt,
:21:25. > :21:26.and they saw it with SSI at Redcar when the Government walked away and
:21:27. > :21:31.abandoned the steel industry. They were hitting out. I could understand
:21:32. > :21:36.that quite rightly. People in my constituency felt they had not had a
:21:37. > :21:44.good deal from the Government. I had anti-David Cameron sentiments on the
:21:45. > :21:52.doorstep, that was translated in a vote to leave the ow. We have to
:21:53. > :21:57.listen to people. So... As understand by me. What does it tell
:21:58. > :22:02.us about the mood in the Labour Party, that the, that the party
:22:03. > :22:07.staff of Labour, from their headquarters, have had to be given
:22:08. > :22:13.advice on dealing with violent and aggressive behaviour at the Labour
:22:14. > :22:16.Conference, one Labour MP, a Jewish Labour MP is worried she is taking a
:22:17. > :22:22.body Bard to the Conference, what does it tell us the about the mood
:22:23. > :22:26.inside your party? Well, think it tells us that this is totally
:22:27. > :22:31.unacceptable. The abuse that is going on. I don't think that the
:22:32. > :22:36.vast majority of people within the Labour, we are now 600,000 people,
:22:37. > :22:43.they are good despeedget, not offence Si and rude. Why has
:22:44. > :22:50.headquarters felt it necessary to issue this advise, I have been
:22:51. > :22:56.covering conferences since 1973. I can nerve remember advice being
:22:57. > :22:59.given to deal with a violent and aggressive behaviour at the
:23:00. > :23:05.Conference. I think the mood has changed. I look to social media. It
:23:06. > :23:12.seems to be the modern equivalent of road rage, people seem to be free to
:23:13. > :23:17.say what they like on Twitter. I have had the most horrific things
:23:18. > :23:24.said to me. It is not acceptable. What is going on when people feel
:23:25. > :23:29.free to use if most foul language, people should have respect and
:23:30. > :23:34.manners, and that applies within the Labour and outside. That is a modern
:23:35. > :23:38.expression of how we go about our business, and I for one don want any
:23:39. > :23:41.part of it. Well, perhaps the advice won't be required in the end in
:23:42. > :23:53.Liverpool. We will see. Andy McDonald. Richard Angell. Both of
:23:54. > :23:56.you, thank you. You begin to put the party back together again but there
:23:57. > :24:02.is now going to be a struggle for the soul of the NEC, there will be
:24:03. > :24:07.more talk about deselection as the boundary changes gather, and I sense
:24:08. > :24:11.that quite a lot of the centrist Labour MPs won't join Mr Corbyn's
:24:12. > :24:16.Shadow Cabinet again, so it is possible that the divisions and the
:24:17. > :24:20.sense of Civil War will continue, is it not? I think that is inevitable.
:24:21. > :24:24.When you talk to former members of the shadow cob net they are at a
:24:25. > :24:30.loss at the moment. There has been talk about this co-existence which
:24:31. > :24:36.we have seen to a certain extent, in the run, silence behind Jeremy
:24:37. > :24:39.Corbyn as he goes forward to do PMQ, it seems they may continue. That is
:24:40. > :24:44.worrying because ultimately they are the opposite and we need to have a
:24:45. > :24:49.united opposition, everyone when we have a Conservative Government with
:24:50. > :24:54.a relatively small minority, they need to challenge the decisions that
:24:55. > :24:58.are come up with. We seem to be in a position where the glass roots are
:24:59. > :25:03.in search of a new political party and the political party is in search
:25:04. > :25:10.of a new grass roots. How does that work itself out? It doesn't, does
:25:11. > :25:14.it. There are, there is a binary choice for many people who oppose
:25:15. > :25:21.Jeremy Corbyn back in June, early July and called for him to go. You
:25:22. > :25:24.stay on the outside or crawl cockroach like back in to the
:25:25. > :25:28.centre, the story of the next few days will be that. It won't be the
:25:29. > :25:33.people who would be out staying out, but those people who decide to
:25:34. > :25:39.swallow their pride and get involved with Jeremy Corbyn and sit round the
:25:40. > :25:43.table with him. We could see a few people. There is a desperate attempt
:25:44. > :25:46.by team Corbyn to phone people up and say you can have whatever job
:25:47. > :25:51.you want if you come back round the table. It only needs five or six to
:25:52. > :25:55.allow Jeremy cover to say look, they have come back to me, forget about
:25:56. > :25:59.those who won't, but there have been some who signed back up. It will be
:26:00. > :26:02.an continuing story when Parliament comes back.
:26:03. > :26:06.We have to get through the Labour and Tory conferences first.
:26:07. > :26:09.And you'll be able to watch the results of the Labour leadership
:26:10. > :26:11.contest live on BBC2 from 11.00am tomorrow in a special programme
:26:12. > :26:13.hosted by Victoria Derbyshire at the party conference
:26:14. > :26:21.When was the last general election in the British Isles?
:26:22. > :26:23.No, it wasn't the 2015 election which gave David Cameron
:26:24. > :26:32.It was, in fact, yesterday, on the Isle of Man.
:26:33. > :26:35.Last night a record five women were elected to the Manx parliament,
:26:36. > :26:40.as a new generation swept into the House of Keys,
:26:41. > :26:43.Half of the parliament's 24 members are newcomers -
:26:44. > :26:47.We can speak to Radio Manx presenter, John Moss, who has been
:26:48. > :26:57.following developments over night there.
:26:58. > :27:04.Thank you for joining us, briefly tell us how the political system
:27:05. > :27:10.works, the House of Keys equivalent to the House of Commons? First of
:27:11. > :27:14.all, yes, it is the equivalent, there are 24 members, and boundary
:27:15. > :27:20.reorganisation this time has meant that there are 1 individual areas or
:27:21. > :27:24.constituencies, and each areas has two MHKs and that was the process
:27:25. > :27:30.that happened last night. There is also, I understand, there is an
:27:31. > :27:33.upper chamber as well, which scrutinises legislation, but that is
:27:34. > :27:43.appointed by the House of Keys? It is. It is called is legislative
:27:44. > :27:48.council. It is a tourist -- three chamber system. You have the House
:27:49. > :27:52.of Keys, the House of Keys decide who is goings to it is on the
:27:53. > :27:56.legislative council. It has nine member, once a month they.
:27:57. > :28:00.Co-together at the tin wold. This is the Parliament that goes back to
:28:01. > :28:09.Norse times and they come together, and they are the one that have the
:28:10. > :28:13.final said, say. So we have 24 members in the Keys and and nine in
:28:14. > :28:17.the upper chamber. They come together once a month. Why has there
:28:18. > :28:22.been a change of personnel this time? We get the feeling a lot of
:28:23. > :28:27.new blood has arrived in the House of Keys, what has prompted that?
:28:28. > :28:32.Yes, there is a bit of political blood on the floor, a few members
:28:33. > :28:36.decided to give up their political careers and retire, including the
:28:37. > :28:40.chief minister Alan Bell, he has been chief minister for the last
:28:41. > :28:44.five year, they have been very tough years we have a VAT agreement with
:28:45. > :28:51.the UK and after renegotiation about a third of the income was taken off
:28:52. > :28:55.the Isle of Man, so great deal of slimming of departments had to go
:28:56. > :29:00.on. The search is not just for new members but someone to lead them in
:29:01. > :29:06.a new government. Now, as I understand it, foreign and defence
:29:07. > :29:12.policy is a matter for Westminster. But on most or nearly all domestic
:29:13. > :29:18.matters that is a matter for the house of key what have been the
:29:19. > :29:22.issues in this campaign, what have been people arguing about and
:29:23. > :29:28.debating? It is very much domestic issues on the doorstep. The Isle of
:29:29. > :29:32.Man is facing a dam closes sword as other countries are in its Pensions
:29:33. > :29:37.Bill, the legacy from previous years, we have an enormous bill
:29:38. > :29:41.outstanding, unless we do something about the pensions and there is a
:29:42. > :29:44.lot of debate about how best to do that, the obvious answer is to get
:29:45. > :29:49.people to retire earlier and also to give more money, but this is not a
:29:50. > :29:56.popular decision. I guess you could put taxes up, they are very low
:29:57. > :30:01.there. Yes, but it's a great draw for what the Isle of Man does. There
:30:02. > :30:06.is various taxes we don't have over here which made it attractive and
:30:07. > :30:10.which the Isle of Man has lived on since it decided to go for the
:30:11. > :30:15.financial areas around about the 60s and that is how the island had the
:30:16. > :30:19.good years up to about eight years ago when the renegotiation of vat
:30:20. > :30:23.took place, and suddenly, the Isle of Man was having to struggle to
:30:24. > :30:27.find income to pay for the good time, the things it had been able to
:30:28. > :30:28.give the people. That is the source of discontent because a lot of
:30:29. > :30:34.things have had to be taken away. Thank you very much. We'll leave it
:30:35. > :30:39.there for now. Next, a row is under way
:30:40. > :30:41.in the Scottish Parliament after the Scottish Labour leader,
:30:42. > :30:43.Kezia Dugdale, failed to vote against a key
:30:44. > :30:47.SNP policy yesterday, handing the SNP government
:30:48. > :30:49.a victory on a key bit Kezia Dugdale has blamed a technical
:30:50. > :30:57.problem with the electronic voting system in Holyrood but officials
:30:58. > :30:59.say they couldn't find Our correspondent, Andrew Black,
:31:00. > :31:15.is across the story Andrew, tell us what happened? Well,
:31:16. > :31:19.this was all about a debate yesterday in the Scottish
:31:20. > :31:22.Parliament, on the issue of council tax, which, in itself is a
:31:23. > :31:26.controversial long-running issue in Scotland. The way that the Scottish
:31:27. > :31:31.Government wants to deal with the council tax issue is by essentially
:31:32. > :31:36.making people in the higher banding areas pay more council tax money.
:31:37. > :31:41.Yesterday these proposals were being debated and it looked like the
:31:42. > :31:46.Scottish Parliament was going to vote for a Conservative debating
:31:47. > :31:49.amendment, which stated that these proposals would undermine local
:31:50. > :31:53.democracy. What happened was, when it got to a vote there was a tie N
:31:54. > :31:56.that situation the Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament is
:31:57. > :32:02.supposed to use his casting vote to vote for what he thinks is the
:32:03. > :32:05.status quo. So, on that occasion, the Conservative amendment fell.
:32:06. > :32:10.Now, at this point nobody really knew what was going on and unlike at
:32:11. > :32:14.Westminster, there is an electronic voting system at Holyrood, where
:32:15. > :32:18.they press a button and the vote is tramsmitted instant lane once the
:32:19. > :32:22.voting records were released, it became clear that Kezia Dugdale
:32:23. > :32:27.looked like she hadn't voted. Now, only one of two things happened here
:32:28. > :32:31.- either the electronic voting system didn't work properly or that
:32:32. > :32:34.Kezia Dugdale didn't vote. Scottish parliamentary authorities say they
:32:35. > :32:37.checked and there is nothing wrong with their electronic voting system.
:32:38. > :32:42.Kezia Dugdale says she actually voted. So I suspect it is one of
:32:43. > :32:47.these things we'll never really get to the bottom of. But the more
:32:48. > :32:52.interesting thing, is really that the fallout here - now, in reality
:32:53. > :32:55.SNP Scottish Government is going to have to change its council tax
:32:56. > :32:58.policy. Because it is a minority government and it needs to get the
:32:59. > :33:03.plans through with opposition support, potentially. But, I think
:33:04. > :33:07.the other issue is that Kezia Dugdale, really and Labour in
:33:08. > :33:12.Scotland don't have their troubles to seek at all at the moment. And
:33:13. > :33:15.instead of it being an embarrassment for the Scottish Government, which
:33:16. > :33:18.they thought it was going to be, it has resulted with Labour ending up
:33:19. > :33:23.with the red faces on this occasion. Fascinating. We will leave it there.
:33:24. > :33:26.Thank you for joining us. For those who want electronic voting in the
:33:27. > :33:28.House of Commons, I guess that's just set you back a little bit.
:33:29. > :33:31.If you fancy yourself as something of a political boffin -
:33:32. > :33:33.or you'd like to become one - stay tuned.
:33:34. > :33:36.Two leading political experts have put together a new book,
:33:37. > :33:38.which chronicles the 50 things you need to know about ...
:33:39. > :33:44.Ellie has been genning up on the insights and intel in Sex,
:33:45. > :33:47.Lies and the Ballot Box, to make the following public
:33:48. > :34:04.This is a public information broadcast from the Daily Politics on
:34:05. > :34:09.how not to be wrong about politics. Please pay attention. The
:34:10. > :34:13.by-election catches the political eye of Britain. When a general
:34:14. > :34:17.election is announced, politicians keen to win votes spend weeks boring
:34:18. > :34:22.people - I mean informing the public about why they should vote for them
:34:23. > :34:26.I'm Donald, I'm the Liberal canned day. I hope you are going to support
:34:27. > :34:32.me. To the average man and woman, this makes sense but it's wrong.
:34:33. > :34:35.According to clever people, known as Political Boffin, the election
:34:36. > :34:41.campaigns don't count. Usually it's the party ahead in the polls in
:34:42. > :34:44.January that goes on to win. The manifesto which we published today,
:34:45. > :34:49.the Conservative Party manifesto. I'm sure you are an awfully clever
:34:50. > :34:52.person and you know to take election promise was a pimple of salt. Well
:34:53. > :35:03.you might be too smart with your own good. Research
:35:04. > :35:09.implement four the fifths of their manifesto, so they are worth where
:35:10. > :35:14.the paper they are written on. You know the sort. Can't decide what to
:35:15. > :35:18.choose on a menu or who do vote for. Politicians spend a lot of time
:35:19. > :35:24.chasing their vote Getting on for a 3% swing to Labour. That means
:35:25. > :35:28.people in every 100 switching from Conservative to Labour and getting
:35:29. > :35:32.on for a Labour majority. Maybe they shouldn't bother. There are more
:35:33. > :35:36.swing voters than ever but there are fewer marginal seats than there used
:35:37. > :35:39.to be. Unless these newfangled boundary changes jungle things up
:35:40. > :35:43.again, of course. Being British, you will be very #2rd in the weather. We
:35:44. > :35:46.used to think that voters were like bears. They only come out in the
:35:47. > :35:50.spring and summer. Well that might have been true but now it makes no
:35:51. > :35:54.difference when an election is held. Plucky voters pay no heed to
:35:55. > :36:03.inclement weather. Democracy, better than any umbrella. Final thought.
:36:04. > :36:07.Try to imagine a caricature lefty. Are they naive, happy, claply, let's
:36:08. > :36:11.all get along types? What about a right-winger, do you think of angry
:36:12. > :36:16.people? Well that just shows how much you know. The boffins say the
:36:17. > :36:18.left-wingers are more I will tolerant of different political
:36:19. > :36:23.views and right-wing people are the happiest. Now I've corrected your
:36:24. > :36:26.wrongly-held opinion. You can use your knowledge to impress people in
:36:27. > :36:32.a variety of social settings. You're welcome.
:36:33. > :36:38.Our Ellie and she has not been able to throw that voice since she did
:36:39. > :36:47.the voiceover. She is going to sound like that for now. And Philip Cowley
:36:48. > :36:51.has joined us. What is this business about campaigns don't matter. What
:36:52. > :36:54.is the evidence? If you look at the last 14 general elections. Party
:36:55. > :37:00.ahead in the polls in January went on to win the election when it was
:37:01. > :37:05.held. The two in 12 of those 14 case, the only 12 exceptions, one is
:37:06. > :37:10.the last one, 2015 when we know the polls were wrong all along anyway
:37:11. > :37:15.and the other one is October 1974, you cannot go back to the reaction
:37:16. > :37:18.in January, because there was a reaction in February. It doesn't
:37:19. > :37:22.mean campaigns don't matter at all but it means they don't matter as
:37:23. > :37:24.much as we think. If you want to know what determines the way
:37:25. > :37:28.elections come out, you should look at what happens two or three years
:37:29. > :37:33.before the election, which is when the action takes place. Hard to
:37:34. > :37:38.argue that the campaign won't matter in the Trump-Clinton presidential
:37:39. > :37:43.race, isn't it? Well, a, those 14 are all British. I am not making a
:37:44. > :37:47.digs stinks from the US. But the same thing is broadly true if you
:37:48. > :37:50.look at most US presidential elections, most of the action
:37:51. > :37:54.doesn't take place in the months or years before the election, it takes
:37:55. > :37:57.place two or three years' more. This season may different. Let's wait and
:37:58. > :38:00.see. So you are basically wasting your time covering election
:38:01. > :38:05.campaigns and your readers' time, even more importantly. Yes, what
:38:06. > :38:07.Phil seems to have done is written political journalism out of the
:38:08. > :38:10.script here and suggested there is something pointless about it. Look,
:38:11. > :38:15.I think there is a very good point here. I suspect that voters - I
:38:16. > :38:19.think the greatest way of working out where a investigator is going to
:38:20. > :38:22.land is talk to them in January, February before an election and hear
:38:23. > :38:26.what slogans and impressions they have of a political party. People
:38:27. > :38:30.don't change their minds particularly quickly on politics. We
:38:31. > :38:34.like to think they do. We cover the soap opera fwhems you about people
:38:35. > :38:37.get an impression, a long of had term economic plan was a phrase
:38:38. > :38:42.before the 2015 general election, which seeped into the wider public.
:38:43. > :38:45.I think "take control" was a phrase that really made an impression in
:38:46. > :38:49.the public bfrted EU referendum. I think those kinds of things take a
:38:50. > :38:54.long time, so the last manufacture minute ups and downs and coach
:38:55. > :38:57.journeys and battlebuses and flights and leaflets probably only seek to
:38:58. > :39:06.reinforce a little bit around the margins in the final days, as fun as
:39:07. > :39:09.it is to watch and cover them. You highlight this rather peculiar
:39:10. > :39:14.phenomenon in Britain, that there are more swing voters than ever,
:39:15. > :39:20.probably because of the breakdown of tribal party loyalties. But fewer
:39:21. > :39:24.marginal seats? Swing voters is almost election on election, if you
:39:25. > :39:28.look at the number of people who changed their votes between the
:39:29. > :39:31.elections, going back to 1964, it is basically an joup ward line. But
:39:32. > :39:35.those voters, however, many of them in seats that will not change hands
:39:36. > :39:39.because the political geography of Britain initially separated north
:39:40. > :39:43.and south and as it separated north and south, so you cre aid sfrong
:39:44. > :39:47.holds for each party and more recently you have had the collapse
:39:48. > :39:51.of the third party who was challenging, which has also created
:39:52. > :39:54.stronger - so in 2015 fewer marginal seats between Labour and the
:39:55. > :39:59.Conservatives than any election in post-war history. Do the boundary
:40:00. > :40:03.changes coming up change or enforce that trend? In so far as we can
:40:04. > :40:06.tell, and we don't obviously yet have the Scottish ones and we don't
:40:07. > :40:10.yet know whether they will be imposed in the form that they have
:40:11. > :40:16.been discussed, it makes very little difference. One of the surprising
:40:17. > :40:22.findings which we like to think that this country is increasingly diverse
:40:23. > :40:25.and progressive and tolerant and so on, is that a parliamentary
:40:26. > :40:30.candidate's race affects their electoral chance. Could you spell
:40:31. > :40:35.that out for us? By a couple of percentage points. Non-white capped
:40:36. > :40:40.dates suffer and Muslim candidates, in particular, suffer. You can see
:40:41. > :40:44.this, both just by looking at how they perform, but you can even just
:40:45. > :40:48.look at it by doing analysis of people's names. Candidates with
:40:49. > :40:52.non-European sounding names, non-British sounding names, perform
:40:53. > :40:57.worse in local elections and in general elections the difference is
:40:58. > :41:03.about 2 or 3 percentage points. The average sn.s doesn't flit other way.
:41:04. > :41:08.White candidates standing in an eted nickically diverse area do not South
:41:09. > :41:13.same. Does that surprise you? It does. But if you think of the
:41:14. > :41:15.ethnicity of voters, actually the ethnicity of voters can impact
:41:16. > :41:20.general election results because they are more likely to be swing
:41:21. > :41:23.voters and less entrenched political patterns of the way they vote. I
:41:24. > :41:26.think it is fascinating that somebody's name, for example, would
:41:27. > :41:30.actually influence a particular seat Even where they are on the ballot
:41:31. > :41:35.paper. It is better to be near the top of the paper than the bottom.
:41:36. > :41:41.Some voters doesn't read all the way down. You are much better off being
:41:42. > :41:50.called Bates than Yates, standing for election. I'm sure Mr Yates Or
:41:51. > :41:54.AlanEd a vak. He has a good chance. Mr Corbyn puts great store in the
:41:55. > :41:59.number of young people joining the Labour Party and attracted to his
:42:00. > :42:06.way of doing politics. Is it sensible to put your faith in young
:42:07. > :42:10.people? With the caveat that quite a lot of conventional wisdoms have
:42:11. > :42:14.been overturned in the last three or four years when it comes to
:42:15. > :42:18.electoral behaviour, I would say one of the conventional wisdoms are A,
:42:19. > :42:23.non-voters don't tend to vote and B, young people don't tend to vote. So,
:42:24. > :42:26.putting your electoral hopes on nonvoting young people is a
:42:27. > :42:31.potentially very risky electoral strategy. Right. I put that as
:42:32. > :42:37.politely and neutrally as I can. I understand. I noticed the way you
:42:38. > :42:42.were tip-toeing, tap-dancing around the thorny subject. According to
:42:43. > :42:46.research we found in your vote, right-wing people across Europe tend
:42:47. > :42:53.to be happier and enjoy their sex life most. How did you find that
:42:54. > :42:58.out? They report higher levels of satisfaction with their life. They
:42:59. > :43:02.could just be lying and they could have lower expectations. It is the
:43:03. > :43:06.other possibility. It is people on the far right who are happiest, not
:43:07. > :43:09.just in Britain but across the four other European countries that are
:43:10. > :43:13.surveyed. They are happiest more in general and with their sex life T
:43:14. > :43:16.could be that they have lower expectations either in general or
:43:17. > :43:19.between the sheets and that those expectations are, therefore,
:43:20. > :43:28.fulfilled. Would that be your experience? All I could say is if
:43:29. > :43:32.you try to get the ethical approval to do that very much at universal
:43:33. > :43:37.you would be given short shrift, I would think. You seem to be getting
:43:38. > :43:41.money for any other kind of research. Left-wing people less
:43:42. > :43:45.likely to date across the political divide. I can definitely believe,
:43:46. > :43:50.that actually. I have seen friends, particularly when I was younger at
:43:51. > :43:55.university, say they would never data Tory and vice versa and never
:43:56. > :44:04.do it the other way but more Labour supporters saying that. Saw the
:44:05. > :44:08.Never Kissed A Tory stick. There is no right-wing equivalent. People on
:44:09. > :44:17.the left are more accepting. Let me see the book. It is called More Sex
:44:18. > :44:22.Lies And the Ballot Box. Have you done that already? I did and I came
:44:23. > :44:27.on this programme to talk about it. When you do this job your brain is a
:44:28. > :44:36.sponge. No, not a sponge because it would retain, what is it a colander?
:44:37. > :44:42.Anyway, there it is, More Sex Lies and the Ballot Box? Who is the book
:44:43. > :44:46.for? For the nerds and I noticed the introduction, people who like swig
:44:47. > :44:49.op terse and exit polls but for people who think elections are
:44:50. > :44:54.boring and we want to show them they are not. Well you have come to the
:44:55. > :44:57.right place now I have given it a plug, do I get to keep it? You do.
:44:58. > :45:00.Corruption in action, live on air. Now, a festival of Labour
:45:01. > :45:02.culture is taking No, I don't mean the Labour
:45:03. > :45:05.Conference in Liverpool. I'm talking about the London
:45:06. > :45:07.Labour Film Festival. Movie-goers in London can
:45:08. > :45:10.munch their popcorn in front of one of 18 films the organisers have
:45:11. > :45:12.chosen for their cinematic Mark Lobel has been to see
:45:13. > :45:20.what's on the big screen. Last night the Labour Film Festival
:45:21. > :45:31.opened just around the corner from Jeremy Corbyn's house in north
:45:32. > :45:35.London. No champagne socialists here,
:45:36. > :45:41.I was assured it was Prosecco. So, what are the main ingredients
:45:42. > :45:43.for a festival of film One of the reasons why this cinema
:45:44. > :45:51.is quite important to us is because they pay
:45:52. > :45:53.the London living wage here. I have been looking out for this,
:45:54. > :45:56.because as a trade unionist I'm interested in films
:45:57. > :45:58.about working people and that's I think it's great to
:45:59. > :46:02.have a festival that showcases films, which actually
:46:03. > :46:04.challenge the status quo. Challenge the justice,
:46:05. > :46:07.give a platform to, you know, issues which otherwise are often
:46:08. > :46:10.ignored or marginalised. It is a fantastic and I think quite
:46:11. > :46:15.inspiring film festival. With so much online now,
:46:16. > :46:24.having a cinema where people can come and hopefully have respectful
:46:25. > :46:26.debates amongst themselves, face-to-face, it is quite a nice -
:46:27. > :46:30.it sounds old-fashioned doesn't But I think it is nice
:46:31. > :46:35.to have that forum, really. We are a global network
:46:36. > :46:37.of film festivals. We meet every year and share
:46:38. > :46:43.ideas for film festivals. There is a film festival
:46:44. > :46:46.in New York, San Francisco and also Kicking the festival off,
:46:47. > :46:56.a BAFTA award winning true story hones in on an emergency
:46:57. > :46:59.call centre operator. Now, listen, listen,
:47:00. > :47:04.I need you to stay where you are. They are on their way
:47:05. > :47:06.and they are trying No, I need you to stay downstairs
:47:07. > :47:10.or you will put yourself We had a death in Camden last year,
:47:11. > :47:14.in the last 12 months, a really unfortunate incident
:47:15. > :47:18.where our target times to get to any So if you pick up the phone,
:47:19. > :47:25.there is a fire in your house, you should expect a fire engine
:47:26. > :47:28.to be there within six minutes. The fire engine took 13 minutes
:47:29. > :47:31.and that's because the nearest fire Are you here for the opera
:47:32. > :47:36.or the Labour film festival? I wanted to see the
:47:37. > :47:41.Michael Moore film. Better than live opera,
:47:42. > :47:47.tonight's main event, Michael Moore's European travelogue
:47:48. > :47:50.in search of social Student debt isn't just a problem
:47:51. > :48:14.in the US but over here, too, as award-winning director
:48:15. > :48:16.Ken Loach's new UK film I was literally struggling
:48:17. > :48:21.so much at university. I didn't know what was going on,
:48:22. > :48:27.like, if I was going to continue. But, sadly, none of these movie
:48:28. > :48:31.aficianados I spoke to had seen the Labour Leader's
:48:32. > :48:33.leading role online. Ah, well, there is always next
:48:34. > :48:38.year's festival, I suppose. And we've been joined
:48:39. > :48:41.by Anna Burton, director of the London Labour Film Festival,
:48:42. > :48:59.and by Peter Whittle, Anna, what would you regard or what
:49:00. > :49:06.are generally regarded as powerful British left-wing films? First off,
:49:07. > :49:10.the London Labour film festival is about work, workers and the struggle
:49:11. > :49:17.of working people. That is the theme. A lot of films I don't always
:49:18. > :49:21.divide them into left and right film, a lot of films can't be
:49:22. > :49:25.divided like that, the films we put are on about telling peep's stories.
:49:26. > :49:30.There are powerful British left-wing films aren't there? There are of
:49:31. > :49:37.course. Give me a couple 678 He me think some of the films we have put
:49:38. > :49:41.on, Made in Dagenham That was a reasonable commercial successful It
:49:42. > :49:50.was and we put that on at the festival before. There is Kes. The
:49:51. > :49:55.Full Monty Absolutely. And the one with the young boy who became the
:49:56. > :50:00.ballet dancer, Billy. Billy Elliot 6789 that was a left-wing film. It
:50:01. > :50:06.was. Again a commercial success. Absolutely. Pride which came out two
:50:07. > :50:11.years ago now, we screened that last year again, a great film about the
:50:12. > :50:17.LGBT community coming together to support the mining community.
:50:18. > :50:24.Fabulous film. Do, where does Britain stand, though, in this, in
:50:25. > :50:28.its ability to do these films with a political purpose, a left-wing
:50:29. > :50:32.agenda, are we really up there with the French or the Italians, or even
:50:33. > :50:39.the American independence sector? Don't they do more and maybe better?
:50:40. > :50:42.Or the Germans too? I think we have a very vibrant film industry in this
:50:43. > :50:47.country and I think there is a lot of, I think a lot of people that
:50:48. > :50:52.make films and produce films tend to be a lot of creatives tend to, if
:50:53. > :50:57.you like, have left-wing sensibilities, overall, and... I
:50:58. > :51:00.know overall, but this is a specialist one because there are a
:51:01. > :51:03.lot more films being made of the type you are showing that don't get
:51:04. > :51:09.much of a commercial release, or if they do they are not a huge success
:51:10. > :51:18.even though they maybe worthwhile films. Peter, you founded the new
:51:19. > :51:21.culture forum which is channelling the cultural orthodoxies in the
:51:22. > :51:27.widest sense, so are you challenging also the kind of the films we are
:51:28. > :51:31.talking about? Not at all. Fist of all I think the festivals are great.
:51:32. > :51:37.All festivals are good. Good luck, it is hard to fete one going, in
:51:38. > :51:42.fact if there were to be a right-wing or more a more diverse
:51:43. > :51:45.sort of Film Festival that wasn't left, took on many different
:51:46. > :51:50.subjects, then I would be very happy but it doesn't happen on the whole.
:51:51. > :51:54.It is difficult. Why? Think particularly two things, First of
:51:55. > :52:02.all it is about funding strangely enough. You know, most of the
:52:03. > :52:04.foundations you might go to, most of the public foundations and companies
:52:05. > :52:10.are politically correct in what they want to support. It doesn't matter
:52:11. > :52:15.what they are doing but their window shop is of porting broadly soft left
:52:16. > :52:20.thing, there is that, and working in television for years as well, is
:52:21. > :52:24.there is a kind of group think in the general cultural world, in
:52:25. > :52:29.Britain, which is broadly soft left. It is assumed you are... What are
:52:30. > :52:35.you trying to do about that? Basically with the new culture forum
:52:36. > :52:39.it is saying, look, you know, you don't have to be just pro climate
:52:40. > :52:43.change, pro multiculturalism, pro mass migration or whatever, to work
:52:44. > :52:49.in the arts or to work in the academic field. You don't, do you?
:52:50. > :52:54.It is an extraordinary pressure, on you, to basically go along with a
:52:55. > :53:02.certain agenda, otherwise you will search high and low for a film or a
:53:03. > :53:06.play or a novel or piece of art that for example challenges
:53:07. > :53:11.multiculturalism or challenges for example you know, the impact of mass
:53:12. > :53:16.migration, I would have thought they were dramatic issues. Is this sort
:53:17. > :53:21.of entertainment, a programme makeling, is it a left-wing
:53:22. > :53:27.monopoly? I don't think that is the case, I think culture in film and
:53:28. > :53:33.art are inclusive, really, I don't think, I don't think that there is
:53:34. > :53:39.kind of a left-wing monopoly on it by any mean, we are telling stories
:53:40. > :53:44.that are relevant... What films, supposing you got the funding to
:53:45. > :53:51.launch an equivalent to what Anna is doing, what would be the films to be
:53:52. > :53:55.shown at say Ukip Film Festival. It wouldn't necessarily be a Ukip one.
:53:56. > :53:59.A general Conservative one, I think probably for example, first of all
:54:00. > :54:03.there should be a hell of a lot more documentaries we saw Michael Moore
:54:04. > :54:09.there, he has probably become the most famous documentary maker in the
:54:10. > :54:12.world. There should be more documentaries looking at things like
:54:13. > :54:17.radical Islam. What I asked what would you show at the moment, what
:54:18. > :54:22.films would fit in to your cultural world view? British films? British
:54:23. > :54:28.films. That is very difficult to find that. Really? Yes. All the
:54:29. > :54:35.films you talked about earlier, they are all on the left. I suppose the
:54:36. > :54:41.nearest would be was The Iron lady. In the sense a lot of people said
:54:42. > :54:45.this is right-wing revisionism but it was pretty politically neutral.
:54:46. > :54:52.You know what you going to get when you go to a British film. Really?
:54:53. > :55:00.Are you going to this festival. Do you think he is right? The only
:55:01. > :55:03.example I I can think of there was a film called Brexit the movie and
:55:04. > :55:08.certainly other things around the referendum they were trying to get a
:55:09. > :55:13.music festival off ground and there was a sense of fear for certain
:55:14. > :55:16.mainstream businesses and people to get involved with those events
:55:17. > :55:20.because it seems that would in some way politicise them. In. So senses
:55:21. > :55:24.you don't get that from films and cultural events on the left. It
:55:25. > :55:30.seems more socially acceptable in some senses. We won't be at the Film
:55:31. > :55:35.Festival because we will be up in Liverpool, living the dream. I mean
:55:36. > :55:40.I think there is an example of Ukip culture, it is the programme, TV
:55:41. > :55:45.programme Nigel Farage says is his favourite, Dad's Army. That an
:55:46. > :55:50.example of the kind of thing the former head of Ukip would identify
:55:51. > :55:55.himself with. Is that not what you are looking towards? It is more
:55:56. > :56:00.serious than that. If you want to get new audiences in you need
:56:01. > :56:06.diversity of issues and that is one of the things the arts tend not to
:56:07. > :56:10.do. They tend to to follow public opinion, they ecreep out and might
:56:11. > :56:17.put something out which is a bit critical of something like Islam but
:56:18. > :56:23.on the whole it is cowardly. It is James Bond a left or right-wing
:56:24. > :56:31.franchise. Ian Fleming was right-wing, it has gone different...
:56:32. > :56:34.Bridget Jones, left or right, Monty Python? I don't know you can fit
:56:35. > :56:40.So, who's had a slice of the action this week,
:56:41. > :56:42.and who's been pushed out of the tent?
:56:43. > :56:44.Here's Ellie again, with all the political bun
:56:45. > :56:48.fights of the week, in just 60 seconds.
:56:49. > :56:52.Tim Farron started conference wanting to be
:56:53. > :56:59.leader settled for heaping praise on - Tony Blair,
:57:00. > :57:01.with his keynote speech appealing to Labour voters.
:57:02. > :57:07.Tuesday saw Theresa May give her first major address
:57:08. > :57:13.tht a post-Brexit Britain wouldn't shy away from its global
:57:14. > :57:16.Voting for the next Labour leader closed on Wednesday.
:57:17. > :57:20.We will find out who made the cut - Owen Smith or Jeremy Corbyn -
:57:21. > :57:21.tomorrow, ahead of the party conference in Liverpool.
:57:22. > :57:24.Boris Johnson gave diplomacy a go this week when he said
:57:25. > :57:26.there was strong evidence that Russia bombed a UN
:57:27. > :57:35.He was standing right outside a UN Security Council meeting.
:57:36. > :57:37.And Jeremy Corbyn waded in on the national mourning
:57:38. > :57:40.to follow The Great British Bake Off's move to Channel 4,
:57:41. > :57:42.by calling for the programme to be nationalised.
:57:43. > :58:00.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.
:58:01. > :58:03.The question was who did former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls say
:58:04. > :58:24.So, what is the correct answer? Well, I don't think the correct
:58:25. > :58:30.answer but the real answer is he has embarrass all of them. That is
:58:31. > :58:35.harsh! It is. Yvette Cooper would agree with that. It was his family,
:58:36. > :58:38.he said. He would embarrassment He succeeded. Sam maybe right. That is
:58:39. > :58:40.it for today. Thanks to Sam, Caroline
:58:41. > :58:42.and all my guests. I'll be back on Sunday at 11am
:58:43. > :58:45.with a special edition of the Sunday Politics,
:58:46. > :58:47.live from the Labour And the Daily Politics
:58:48. > :58:50.will be back on Monday, with more conference coverage
:58:51. > :58:53.from 11.00am, including live coverage of the Shadow
:58:54. > :58:54.Chancellor's speech - If there is nothing new,
:58:55. > :59:09.then the Court of Appeal aren't going to change
:59:10. > :59:13.their decision.