:00:00. > :00:08.Welcome to Liverpool, and day three of the Labour Party conference,
:00:09. > :00:11.where there's been angry debate this morning as left and right
:00:12. > :00:13.wrestle for control of the party's ruling executive.
:00:14. > :00:54.Hello, and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:55. > :01:00.The Labour Party's official policy is to renew Trident, so why
:01:01. > :01:02.was their Shadow Defence Secretary's attempt to say the policy wouldn't
:01:03. > :01:10.90 million people are said to have watched the debate.
:01:11. > :01:12.No, I'm not talking about the one here in Liverpool
:01:13. > :01:18.We'll ask who won the first big televised debate of the US
:01:19. > :01:24.presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?
:01:25. > :01:27.Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is not a big problem.
:01:28. > :01:29.That was the conclusion of an independent
:01:30. > :01:31.report by human-rights lawyer Shami Chakrabarti.
:01:32. > :01:34.Was a Labour seat in the House of Lords her reward?
:01:35. > :01:39.This is more fun than the conference!
:01:40. > :01:45.And, don't like the old tunes they're playing at conference?
:01:46. > :01:48.How some rebel Labour MPs got a ticket to ride to perform
:01:49. > :01:57.All that in the next hour from the conference centre
:01:58. > :02:03.And enjoying the fabulous Liverpudlian hospitality
:02:04. > :02:06.are the journalists Polly Toynbee and Steve Richards.
:02:07. > :02:17.Welcome back. What struck me in the past 24 hours, John MacDonald made
:02:18. > :02:22.the Shadow Chancellor speech designed to get the party onto big
:02:23. > :02:27.policy issues. Overshadowed by the row over Clive Lewis on Trident.
:02:28. > :02:32.This morning there will be major announcements on child care,
:02:33. > :02:37.education, more issues for the Labour Party, but they got worked up
:02:38. > :02:42.on the composition of the National Executive Committee. Discuss. That
:02:43. > :02:48.is what is really going on. The fight possibly to the death for the
:02:49. > :02:52.heart of the Labour Party for controlling, the NEC controls the
:02:53. > :02:57.rules. If the Corbyn side of the party can get control of it, which
:02:58. > :03:02.they have not, they one vote short, they can change the rules in future
:03:03. > :03:07.which means in future the party will always be captured by their side of
:03:08. > :03:14.the party. The other side of the party is fighting hard to prevent
:03:15. > :03:18.rule changes. Let's give viewers a flavour of the debate this morning.
:03:19. > :03:23.We need to be debating policies to put them into place,
:03:24. > :03:26.to take them forward and make us look like a Labour government.
:03:27. > :03:29.I shouldn't have to to support what is essentially
:03:30. > :03:41.This party should make its rules at its conference, one by one,
:03:42. > :03:47.We have the eyes of the country on us here.
:03:48. > :03:49.And a country that is desperately looking for solutions
:03:50. > :03:58.And it makes Labour look pretty self-indulgent and quite frankly
:03:59. > :04:00.dysfunctional if all we're doing is having a debate about even
:04:01. > :04:07.Colleagues, to take a show of hands to see...
:04:08. > :04:16.Listen, we're going to go to a show of hands.
:04:17. > :04:19.Can I see all those in favour of accepting the report.
:04:20. > :04:43.That was a flavour, there was a lot of passion but not passion about
:04:44. > :04:48.being against Grumman schools -- Grammar schools, how we defend the
:04:49. > :04:53.nation, how we improve social care, it was about how you choose the NEC.
:04:54. > :04:58.Takes you back to the 70s and 80s when these things happened all the
:04:59. > :05:02.time at conferences. Incidentally in periods when they won elections as
:05:03. > :05:05.well as losing them so it does not automatically mean they are doomed
:05:06. > :05:11.because they are having these things. The reality is a power
:05:12. > :05:15.struggle so these things come to matter. The policy-making bodies
:05:16. > :05:21.will influence the future direction of the party, so although it seems
:05:22. > :05:25.parochial and insular, it will have consequences, as they used to do in
:05:26. > :05:31.the 70s and 80s when that bodied ruled everything. Tony Benn became
:05:32. > :05:36.chair of the home policy committee on the NEC. No one outside would pay
:05:37. > :05:42.attention. It was a massive power grab in the 70s and 80s. That is why
:05:43. > :05:46.these things matter. I don't think it means in itself this deeply
:05:47. > :05:51.dysfunctional party is doomed, because they were dysfunctional in
:05:52. > :05:57.the 60s and 70s and still won occasionally. We understand the
:05:58. > :06:02.centrists won the motion and that's the idea is a Scottish and Welsh
:06:03. > :06:13.representative will go on the NEC, they will be appointed, more likely
:06:14. > :06:18.not to be Corbynistas. It seems Mr Corbyn's movement has not yet got
:06:19. > :06:22.control of the NEC. Not yet, but it is not clear because what will come
:06:23. > :06:26.up at the next meeting will be the idea there should be a special
:06:27. > :06:31.conference called about rule changes, in which they will hope,
:06:32. > :06:35.particularly if it is a vote among members, that they can change the
:06:36. > :06:41.rules in ways... The most important one, could they changed the rules
:06:42. > :06:49.for triggering the selections of MPs? If they change that rule and
:06:50. > :06:52.make it easier, a vote of the local party instead of the complicated
:06:53. > :06:58.system now in which various groups get a vote, it would make it easier
:06:59. > :07:03.to sweep away. It is not clear because the trade unions on the NEC,
:07:04. > :07:10.some go this way on one subject and that way on another Anne -- and on
:07:11. > :07:16.any particular issue it is difficult to call. I read the unions were the
:07:17. > :07:21.key to this. The swing vote on the NEC and they could determine the
:07:22. > :07:27.direction of policy, which is interesting to know, but also
:07:28. > :07:32.interesting that in 2016, the unions would be the pivotal force. It is
:07:33. > :07:41.one of the things so dated about the Labour Party and has been for a long
:07:42. > :07:46.time. They are a pivotal force and might still be a pivotal force if
:07:47. > :07:50.for example as I think is likely that the Conservative government
:07:51. > :07:57.will be in crisis over Brexit within 18 months. If the Labour Party is
:07:58. > :08:02.25% then, I think some of those unions might have a pivotal role in
:08:03. > :08:06.changing things perhaps at the top of the Labour Party. There will be
:08:07. > :08:15.space at some point in this Parliament. The rebels, so-called,
:08:16. > :08:27.made a big mistake in going for him this summer. You agree with that? It
:08:28. > :08:35.did not work, the -- it must've been a mistake. There is much blame
:08:36. > :08:38.floating about amongst the non-Corbynistas. They are not
:08:39. > :08:47.coherent and cannot decide whether they would or would not go back into
:08:48. > :08:51.the cabinet. Should they insist he lets them elect themselves to go
:08:52. > :08:55.back in the Shadow Cabinet. Corbyn has given nothing away since his
:08:56. > :09:01.victory. He has not been magnanimous. It is interesting to
:09:02. > :09:03.see. Thanks for getting proceedings off live today.
:09:04. > :09:05.There's been a lot of talk about party unity at this
:09:06. > :09:10.conference, but it was looking in rather short supply yesterday
:09:11. > :09:13.when the Shadow Defence Secretary Clive Lewis apparently had part
:09:14. > :09:16.of his speech relating to Trident rewritten at the last minute
:09:17. > :09:18.by an aide to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
:09:19. > :09:27.Mr Corbyn, of course, doesn't want to see
:09:28. > :09:29.the nuclear-weapons system replaced, or renewed
:09:30. > :09:34.Clive Lewis was thought to be planning to tell conference
:09:35. > :09:37.that he wouldn't seek to end the party's commitment
:09:38. > :09:38.to renewing Trident, because it was crucial
:09:39. > :09:47."I am sceptical about Trident renewal, but I am clear
:09:48. > :09:54.that our party has a policy for Trident renewal."
:09:55. > :09:57.But while waiting on stage before his speech, he reportedly found out
:09:58. > :10:10.was "And I wouldn't seek to change it,"
:10:11. > :10:13.and had been removed from the autocue at the last
:10:14. > :10:16.by Jeremy Corbyn's director of communications Seamus Milne.
:10:17. > :10:21.Mr Lewis was not happy, appearing visibly perturbed
:10:22. > :10:26.Reports circulated that he vented his frustration
:10:27. > :10:30.afterwards by punching a wall and throwing his phone.
:10:31. > :10:32.Later, however, he seemed to confirm his original commitment,
:10:33. > :10:35.telling the Guardian, "I won't be coming back
:10:36. > :10:39.to conference between now and the next election
:10:40. > :10:45.to try to undo the policy we have on Trident."
:10:46. > :10:49.Well, as you may remember, Clive Lewis was due to appear
:10:50. > :10:56.on this programme yesterday after his speech, but we were told
:10:57. > :10:58.he couldn't appear as he went to the leader's office.
:10:59. > :11:01.We don't know if he was there to discuss the disagreement over
:11:02. > :11:05.But he was keen to downplay the whole
:11:06. > :11:07.episode as he left the conference centre yesterday.
:11:08. > :11:10.Every speech is a collective process and I think you guys...
:11:11. > :11:17.You guys are trying to trip me up and upset me.
:11:18. > :11:20.I'm really happy where we are and I think...
:11:21. > :11:22.Was your autocue changed at the last minute?
:11:23. > :11:24.My speech is a collaborative process.
:11:25. > :11:26.That's all I can say and all I will say.
:11:27. > :11:42.I'm pleased my speech is out of the way, and,
:11:43. > :11:45.you know what, I just want to get on with the conference.
:11:46. > :11:47.Well, we asked to speak to Clive Lewis again today,
:11:48. > :11:49.but we so far haven't been able to reach him.
:11:50. > :11:53.Maybe when his mobile phone hit the wall it screwed it up and it is not
:11:54. > :11:53.working. But I'm pleased to say
:11:54. > :11:56.we are joined now by his Shadow Cabinet colleague,
:11:57. > :12:06.the Shadow Minister Welcome. You have heard what we
:12:07. > :12:11.think happens. What do you think happened? I don't know, that is the
:12:12. > :12:17.most comprehensive report I have seen or heard so far into what went
:12:18. > :12:23.on. I think he delivered a good speech, he is an eloquent public
:12:24. > :12:27.Speaker. He stated the policy of the party is to maintain a independent
:12:28. > :12:31.nuclear deterrent, which was voted on by party conference over the
:12:32. > :12:43.years and went into the manifesto. I don't know what has gone on behind
:12:44. > :12:46.the scenes with the press secretary apparently changing things, I have
:12:47. > :12:48.no idea. I know Clive stated the position of the party yesterday. The
:12:49. > :12:53.words I think -- we think were removed, we can put them on the
:12:54. > :12:57.autocue. The words, I am clear our party has a policy for Trident
:12:58. > :13:01.renewal and I would not seek to change it. We think these are the
:13:02. > :13:08.lines. Would you be prepared to say these lines? I would be prepared to
:13:09. > :13:13.say it is clear our party has a policy for Trident renewal and I
:13:14. > :13:22.would not seek to change it? Yes. Members of the body, including
:13:23. > :13:25.affiliated members, are affected by this decision and I understand the
:13:26. > :13:31.future of submarines has to be debated across the party. I think
:13:32. > :13:36.that is a sensible approach. Although Mr Lewis has doubts about
:13:37. > :13:39.Trident renewal he recognises it is party policy and that he does not
:13:40. > :13:44.have any stomach for changing it this side of the next election, why
:13:45. > :13:48.would he not say these words? I don't know if they were in the
:13:49. > :13:57.original draft. It is speculation they were in the original draft.
:13:58. > :14:02.Jeremy Corbyn, our leader, and when Emily was Shadow Defence Secretary,
:14:03. > :14:05.launched a review into the future of the nuclear deterrent. My
:14:06. > :14:10.understanding is we will discuss these matters across the party,
:14:11. > :14:12.involving members and unions who represent the workforces involved
:14:13. > :14:17.and we will come to a decision but at the moment the policy is to
:14:18. > :14:21.maintain Trident. Do we know when the defence review will be
:14:22. > :14:26.published? The interim report was published a couple of months ago and
:14:27. > :14:31.there are discussions of the policy. We have to have a national policy
:14:32. > :14:35.forum. No doubt we will come to future conferences with a new
:14:36. > :14:40.position. It is possible, working on the assumption of 2020 election, the
:14:41. > :14:49.policy could change by that election? Is possible. I think it
:14:50. > :14:56.unlikely, but it is possible. You seem doubtful. It is clear Mr Corbyn
:14:57. > :15:05.wants to change the policy, can we agree on that? Jeremy is a lifetime
:15:06. > :15:11.unilateralist. I think the party can unite around the position of
:15:12. > :15:18.multilateralist. I think we can find consensus. We represent thousands of
:15:19. > :15:21.workers who make the submarines at Barrow and elsewhere who are
:15:22. > :15:24.represented by the GMB and Unite and they have to be part of the policy
:15:25. > :15:28.discussions on these matters, as well.
:15:29. > :15:36.Are you not dancing with shadows here? And taking the British people
:15:37. > :15:39.for a ride? Jeremy Corbyn has said that if Prime Minister he would
:15:40. > :15:47.never use the nuclear deterrent, at all. So whether the party is in
:15:48. > :15:50.favour or not is irrelevant. If the Prime Minister is not going to use
:15:51. > :15:55.it, it is a waste of money. But we will get a position for our
:15:56. > :16:04.manifesto and go to the country with it. Whatever the position, if your
:16:05. > :16:08.leader says that the will not give any instructions under any
:16:09. > :16:13.circumstances for the deterrent to be used, it is irrelevant. It is
:16:14. > :16:18.not, because we want to implement our policies and when we win the
:16:19. > :16:22.election they will have a Labour Cabinet who will want to safeguard
:16:23. > :16:27.the security of the country. But the Cabinet does not the side, it is the
:16:28. > :16:32.Prime Minister's job. Whoever becomes Prime Minister, they have to
:16:33. > :16:37.give written instructions to the submarine commanders, it is done in
:16:38. > :16:42.a special way, locked in a safe, for use in the eventuality of an
:16:43. > :16:47.Armageddon situation. If he does not do that, the nuclear deterrent would
:16:48. > :16:52.have no idea in a Jeremy Corbyn Government how to respond. These
:16:53. > :16:55.things would have to be discussed. I believe that the Labour Party will
:16:56. > :17:03.not take any risks with the security of this nation. That is our
:17:04. > :17:08.priority. I am sorry to harp on, I don't understand how you can say
:17:09. > :17:12.that and be backing a leader who says that he believes that we should
:17:13. > :17:16.unilaterally scrap the deterrent, and even if we still have it when he
:17:17. > :17:22.comes to power, he would never use it. Jeremy is a believer in the
:17:23. > :17:28.democracy of the party. If the party arrives at the position to maintain
:17:29. > :17:32.the deterrent, he would not want to be out of tune with the decisions of
:17:33. > :17:39.sovereign conference. Why are you staying in the Shadow Cabinet? The
:17:40. > :17:42.Labour Party is elected -- has elected Jeremy is the leader, we
:17:43. > :17:48.have a duty to scrutinise the Tories. I believe some of us need to
:17:49. > :17:53.be on the front bench doing that, and I believe we have to get Labour
:17:54. > :17:57.elected, because the Tory party are making a number of fundamental
:17:58. > :18:05.mistakes which need to -- which we be to exploit. You say it gives you
:18:06. > :18:12.and your side of the party a seat on the NEC? What is my side of the
:18:13. > :18:18.party? Clearly not Jeremy Corbyn's. My side is the unity side. I don't
:18:19. > :18:23.believe Jeremy Corbyn is the enemy of any party member, nor do I
:18:24. > :18:29.believe that MPs who get pointed to on Twitter are enemies. The Tories
:18:30. > :18:35.are the opponents. What has Jeremy Corbyn done to reach out to you? To
:18:36. > :18:43.me personally? To your side of the party. I believe we should now look
:18:44. > :18:47.at some form of elected Shadow Cabinet, not the whole Shadow
:18:48. > :18:51.Cabinet, but an element of it, and it would encourage colleagues to
:18:52. > :18:54.serve on the front page. Do you believe Jeremy Corbyn would like to
:18:55. > :18:59.go down that road? He is listening to people, his team are in
:19:00. > :19:02.discussions with the Chief Whip and the chair of the parliamentary
:19:03. > :19:09.party. Let me come back to my previous question. What has Jeremy
:19:10. > :19:14.Corbyn done to reach out to you since he got re-elected? He says he
:19:15. > :19:17.wants to pull people together and unite people and get everybody
:19:18. > :19:24.working together. Every politician says that. No party leader says, I
:19:25. > :19:33.want to does unite by party. He is engaging in discussions. His team
:19:34. > :19:35.are engaging in discussions. His supporters stopped the appointment
:19:36. > :19:39.of the Scottish Labour leader and the Welsh Labour leader onto the
:19:40. > :19:46.NEC. That was not reaching out to you. I was in favour of the Scottish
:19:47. > :19:53.and Welsh leaders coming on the NEC. I have been coming to NEC meetings
:19:54. > :20:00.for 12 years,... You are looking well on it! I have never known so
:20:01. > :20:04.much interest in the NEC! I have wanted the Scottish and Welsh
:20:05. > :20:07.leaders on the NEC. We have the leaders of the European Parliament
:20:08. > :20:11.three party and the local Government, so we should have the
:20:12. > :20:14.leaders of the Scottish and Welsh parties. Why was there such emotion
:20:15. > :20:22.about this this morning, trying to stop that? I don't know. I don't see
:20:23. > :20:28.why it is such an unreasonable thing that they are represented on the
:20:29. > :20:32.NEC. We had some interesting NEC meetings this week, and eight and a
:20:33. > :20:37.half hour one last week, lots of good discussions and debate, very
:20:38. > :20:42.comradely. It is a sensible move. Is there not a danger that those who
:20:43. > :20:49.would remove Jeremy Corbyn lost quite spectacularly, it was not the
:20:50. > :20:54.best organised of attempted coups, but having lost out, I do not now
:20:55. > :20:59.trying to win the process by all of the emphasis on the NEC? Nobody
:21:00. > :21:07.outside this hall, or even some people inside the hall, listening to
:21:08. > :21:11.you. Even in the city of Liverpool, one of our great socialist cities,
:21:12. > :21:18.99% of Liverpudlians could not give a monkeys of. I cannot move around
:21:19. > :21:23.this without a journalist stopping me to ask me about the NEC. You
:21:24. > :21:30.debated it this morning, we are following your agenda. Not our own
:21:31. > :21:32.agenda. We always have rule changes on the Tuesday morning of the
:21:33. > :21:40.conference, they don't normally get this much interest. Are you
:21:41. > :21:45.comfortable that the Shadow Chancellor's economic programme
:21:46. > :21:51.would seem to be involving the borrowing of perhaps up to ?500
:21:52. > :21:57.billion? People want to spread that over a number of years. I do believe
:21:58. > :22:01.we need to make an argument about investment in the economy. When
:22:02. > :22:05.interest rates are so low, there is room for extra borrowing, so long as
:22:06. > :22:14.it is spent on infrastructure. It is not 500,000,000,001 go. It would
:22:15. > :22:19.take our national debt to ?2 trillion. It is already 1.6 trillion
:22:20. > :22:27.under George Osborne and now Philip Hammond. Are you comfortable that it
:22:28. > :22:31.could soar to over 2 trillion? We will see what projections will be
:22:32. > :22:34.when we have seen the books. Philip Hammond has not told us what his
:22:35. > :22:38.fiscal rules will be, when he will try to reach a surplus. We have to
:22:39. > :22:44.look forward to the Autumn Statement, then we will be clearer.
:22:45. > :22:47.You are the second Labour MP in 24 hours that has answered my question
:22:48. > :22:52.about John McDonnell by answering about Philip Hammond. Is this a
:22:53. > :23:00.trend? It is what politicians do, you know that. I do, to my cost! I
:23:01. > :23:03.am only 35, but this is how I look! 12 NEC years, you are as young as
:23:04. > :23:09.can the! 37. Not a day over 25! Now, it may have been
:23:10. > :23:11.the most-watched political No, I don't mean
:23:12. > :23:13.yesterday's Daily Politics. Or even Diane Abbott's speech
:23:14. > :23:15.to conference this morning, But the first televised debate last
:23:16. > :23:19.night between Presidential candidates Donald Trump
:23:20. > :23:23.and Hillary Clinton. Some of us here in Liverpool,
:23:24. > :23:33.me included, were hardy enough, you might say foolish enough,
:23:34. > :23:35.to stay up until the If you didn't, here's a flavour
:23:36. > :23:43.of the exchanges between the two candidates, who appear to be
:23:44. > :23:56.in a dead heat in the race We think at least 90 million people
:23:57. > :24:01.in America watched this debate, the biggest televised political event in
:24:02. > :24:03.history. Two candidates who appear to be in a dead heat.
:24:04. > :24:09.His cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling.
:24:10. > :24:12.That is the number one threat we face in the world and it becomes
:24:13. > :24:17.particularly threatening if terrorists ever get their hands
:24:18. > :24:22.So a man who can be provoked by a tweet should not
:24:23. > :24:25.have his fingers anywhere near the nuclear codes,
:24:26. > :24:31.as far as I think anyone with any sense about should be concerned.
:24:32. > :24:33.That's getting a bit old, I must say.
:24:34. > :24:41.Secretary Clinton doesn't want to use a couple of words
:24:42. > :24:48.If we don't have it, we're not going to have a country.
:24:49. > :24:50.By the end of this evening, I'm going to be
:24:51. > :24:52.blamed for everything that's ever happened.
:24:53. > :25:01.Just join the debate by saying more crazy things.
:25:02. > :25:10.She tells you how to fight Isis on her website.
:25:11. > :25:11.I don't think General Douglas MacArthur would
:25:12. > :25:19.At least I have a plan to fight Isis.
:25:20. > :25:22.No, no, you're telling the enemy everything you want to do.
:25:23. > :25:25.See, you're telling the enemy everything you want to do.
:25:26. > :25:32.No wonder you've been fighting Isis your entire adult life.
:25:33. > :25:34.Please, the fact checkers, go to work.
:25:35. > :25:38.I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate
:25:39. > :25:47.Now everybody in mainstream is going to say, that's not true.
:25:48. > :25:55.He has really started his political activity based on this racist lie
:25:56. > :26:01.that our first black president was not an American citizen.
:26:02. > :26:04.There is absolutely no evidence for it, but he persisted.
:26:05. > :26:11.I think my strongest asset, maybe by far, is my temperament.
:26:12. > :26:22.The other day, behind the blue screen, I don't know
:26:23. > :26:24.who you were talking to, Secretary Clinton,
:26:25. > :26:30.I said, there's a person with a temperament
:26:31. > :26:54.OK! The consensus seems to be that Hillary Clinton got the better of
:26:55. > :27:00.Donald Trump. But not by much. And perhaps not by enough to be a game
:27:01. > :27:05.changer. You can decide for yourself, you can watch the full
:27:06. > :27:11.debate on BBC Parliament at 12:45pm. Not want to go. We prefer if you
:27:12. > :27:14.wait until the end of the Daily Politics before you switch over. Not
:27:15. > :27:20.much happened in the first 15 minutes!
:27:21. > :27:22.From our studio in Brussels, we're joined by former Ukip
:27:23. > :27:26.We're joined now by the Labour MP Jamie Reed.
:27:27. > :27:28.He's a keen supporter of Hillary Clinton and was
:27:29. > :27:42.Donald Trump did not quite sparkle enough last night.
:27:43. > :27:50.It was unsurprising, Hillary Clinton is a professional politician,
:27:51. > :27:56.trained, scripted, good boys, but very little warmth. Donald Trump,
:27:57. > :28:05.the nonprofessional politician, not least to this format, did in the
:28:06. > :28:11.early part, the first third, on the economic, positive stuff. Overall,
:28:12. > :28:15.the commentator will say it was Hillary Clinton that edged it
:28:16. > :28:19.marginally, the real question is, did that debate last night change
:28:20. > :28:25.the minds of any undecided voters? I would say no. I would say in ten
:28:26. > :28:30.years, 20 years, we will not remember a single exchange from last
:28:31. > :28:35.night, and we have got Louisiana and Vegas to come. How do you think
:28:36. > :28:44.Hillary Clinton did? She was excellent. Going into the debate she
:28:45. > :28:49.was clearly characterised as being almost sterile, difficult to like,
:28:50. > :28:53.robotic, and she came across very warm and confident and, even, fairly
:28:54. > :28:59.sassy. These e-mails continue to haunt her. Donald Trump, when they
:29:00. > :29:05.were arguing about his tax return, he threw the e-mails. He said, I
:29:06. > :29:10.will show you my tax return if you show me the deleted e-mails. They
:29:11. > :29:14.still haunt her, that is the nature of American politics, both
:29:15. > :29:20.candidates have long histories in and outside politics. In terms of
:29:21. > :29:23.shifting the needle, I think Donald Trump's tax returns have the
:29:24. > :29:33.potential to shift it far more than any e-mails. It was suggested last
:29:34. > :29:38.night in the debate, which was a delicious prospect, he did not deny
:29:39. > :29:43.that the reason he is not publishing his tax returns is he does not pay
:29:44. > :29:48.any federal income tax, he may be so overloaded with debt, it is all
:29:49. > :29:55.packed that the he not pay any. He did not deny that, he just said, it
:29:56. > :29:56.would make him smart. That is not credible for a multi billionaire to
:29:57. > :30:06.pay no federal tax, is it? As you say, a different tax system
:30:07. > :30:13.and culture, but you are right, it is a question, I think, that he will
:30:14. > :30:18.need to answer. I suggest he needs to point out, aged 70, how much tax
:30:19. > :30:23.he has paid over the last 50 years, not what he paid last year.
:30:24. > :30:28.Companies have up years and down years, borrowings. He needs to
:30:29. > :30:33.answer back and that was the 1.I thought Hillary made that put him on
:30:34. > :30:36.the back foot, as indeed the e-mail question she can't answer. I think
:30:37. > :30:49.he needs to come up with an answer to say he has paid his fair share
:30:50. > :30:52.over half a century. You are the only British politician I think who
:30:53. > :30:54.has shared a platform with him in this run. Are you telling him today
:30:55. > :31:02.he should publish some tax returns? My advice is he needs to deal with
:31:03. > :31:09.the question Hillary put. He has said clearly, I will show you mine
:31:10. > :31:16.if you will show me yours. She has already published her tax returns.
:31:17. > :31:20.Both her and Bill Clinton have published their tax returns. The
:31:21. > :31:25.point made was that there is still this incredible secrecy around these
:31:26. > :31:30.e-mails. These arguments will go back and forth. What is more
:31:31. > :31:34.interesting is when we get to Louisiana, the debate will move on
:31:35. > :31:40.to immigration, open borders and terrorism. I think that, either way,
:31:41. > :31:46.will probably be the game changer for this presidential election.
:31:47. > :31:54.Perhaps Mrs Clinton's biggest problem is that in an America, you
:31:55. > :31:59.were in Mississippi, you will know there is an antiestablishment mood
:32:00. > :32:04.in America. There is also an anti-politician mood in America.
:32:05. > :32:09.There is an anti-continuity and Mrs Clinton represents the
:32:10. > :32:13.establishment, the political establishment and continuity. I
:32:14. > :32:19.think that is true and I would expect to see those charges levelled
:32:20. > :32:22.against the Clinton campaign until polling day. Where Nigel is wrong
:32:23. > :32:31.and it feeds into the point you are making, it is the thing for the
:32:32. > :32:35.candidates to publish their tax return. In the midst of the worst
:32:36. > :32:40.crash since the great depression, that it is all right for the US
:32:41. > :32:45.presidential candidate not to pay taxes in that period, that destroys
:32:46. > :32:48.charges about not wanting a continuity candidate because that
:32:49. > :32:53.demonstrates a cavalier attitude towards public office. Did you
:32:54. > :33:01.believe Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, when he claimed that he had what is
:33:02. > :33:05.known as the controversy, the argument over whether President
:33:06. > :33:11.Obama was actually born in America. I say argument but the facts are
:33:12. > :33:17.pretty much overwhelming, if not unanimous that of course he was born
:33:18. > :33:25.in America. Mr Trump kept it alive for five years. I have seen endless
:33:26. > :33:28.video of him questioning whether Mr Obama was worried and was that a
:33:29. > :33:33.dangerous thing to do, not just because of the absence of evidence,
:33:34. > :33:37.but because this was the first black president and to question whether he
:33:38. > :33:45.was born in the US was as Mrs Clinton said, effectively racist, a
:33:46. > :33:49.racist line of attack. When it comes to racist lines of attack against
:33:50. > :33:55.President Obama I suggest people look at Hillary's campaign team and
:33:56. > :34:00.what was said in 2008. This becomes a score draw in the end. Hold on,
:34:01. > :34:06.Hillary Clinton did not get involved in that. Some of her campaign team
:34:07. > :34:10.may have. She never indoor Stitt, she never used it and never carried
:34:11. > :34:18.on for the next five years saying they was still an argument about
:34:19. > :34:20.this. As I have learned myself, if employees or people in your team say
:34:21. > :34:25.and do inappropriate things, you have to act and there was no
:34:26. > :34:29.evidence she did. On the birth stuff, clearly Donald Trump was
:34:30. > :34:34.wrong and so the dangerous thing would be to maintain that line but
:34:35. > :34:40.he has changed his position on it, sensibly. These arguments about the
:34:41. > :34:45.personal failings of either candidate will go back and forth.
:34:46. > :34:49.This is about, do you want to vote for the establishment, business as
:34:50. > :34:53.usual, or do you want to vote for change? That is what this election
:34:54. > :35:02.is about and I do not think last night moved us forward on that.
:35:03. > :35:08.After last night, do you think Mr Trump will still win? Mr Trump's
:35:09. > :35:13.voters are like Brexit voters, they believe in it, have enthusiastic and
:35:14. > :35:18.passion. He is the one with momentum, I still think he will win.
:35:19. > :35:23.I think when we next see Nigel trying to make a comeback he will
:35:24. > :35:28.have to explain why he has tried to defend Donald Trump's racism. It
:35:29. > :35:31.will be a tight contest. I expect Hillary to win but it could be
:35:32. > :35:39.tighter than people expect. You both expect your person to win. I heard
:35:40. > :35:45.Nigel Farage saying that Donald Trump had the backing of momentum!
:35:46. > :35:47.Who knew that? Thanks to you both. We will get to speak to you again as
:35:48. > :35:48.the US campaign goes on. Does the Labour Party have a problem
:35:49. > :35:51.with anti-Semitism? Well, what was billed
:35:52. > :35:52.as an independent report on the issue concluded
:35:53. > :35:55.that it was not "overrun" And at the fringe event
:35:56. > :35:58.run by Jeremy Corbyn campaign group Momentum,
:35:59. > :36:01.it was claimed that the problem has been "exaggerated
:36:02. > :36:04.for political purposes." It's a subject that's been debated
:36:05. > :36:08.at conference this morning. Let's have listen to Mike Katz
:36:09. > :36:15.from the Jewish Labour group. I don't want to be here,
:36:16. > :36:20.because I wish there hadn't been an upsurge in anti-Semitic,
:36:21. > :36:22.Islamophobic, misogynistic and homophobic vile hate
:36:23. > :36:30.speech in our party. Against this backdrop
:36:31. > :36:34.is there any wonder, conference, that support for Labour amongst
:36:35. > :36:36.British Jews is said The party of Manny Shinwell,
:36:37. > :36:44.the party that has done more than any other to promote
:36:45. > :36:49.tolerance and equality. The party to which the Jewish Labour
:36:50. > :36:53.movement has been affiliated since 1920 is not seen
:36:54. > :37:09.as a welcoming home for Jews. Are you disappointed your enquiry
:37:10. > :37:15.has not closed down this issue? I think my findings have yet to be
:37:16. > :37:19.fully implemented that I was delighted to hear a few days ago the
:37:20. > :37:24.NEC of the Labour Party has adopted certain aspects of my report. The
:37:25. > :37:31.recommendations of language and conduct and stereotyping. There are
:37:32. > :37:36.procedural recommendations that have yet to be implemented. Not least
:37:37. > :37:40.greater resource for discipline and an in-house counsel. At the
:37:41. > :37:45.conference leaflets have been handed out calling for the expulsion of the
:37:46. > :37:49.Jewish labour movement. A Labour peer has resigned over anti-Semitism
:37:50. > :37:54.and a Jewish MP has had to employ personal security to come to
:37:55. > :37:59.conference. I would suggest it is a big problem. There are issues and we
:38:00. > :38:05.cannot run away from them. They are serious. They are serious issues and
:38:06. > :38:08.more needs to be done but I was heartened to hear a re-elected
:38:09. > :38:13.Jeremy Corbyn uses now greater mandate to be clearer than he has
:38:14. > :38:17.ever been with people across the party, including people who claim to
:38:18. > :38:20.be his friends. He has been crystal clear this will not be tolerated and
:38:21. > :38:26.I think that is incredibly important. No part of our society is
:38:27. > :38:31.immune from anti-Semitism and from racism as we saw in the referendum
:38:32. > :38:36.campaign. It seems to be prevalent in the Labour Party. I am not going
:38:37. > :38:43.to get into the competition of virtue and victimhood. In British
:38:44. > :38:47.politics we lost a bright MP in that toxic summer. This is what you and
:38:48. > :38:58.Jeremy Corbyn have done, you tried to generalise the anti-rather than
:38:59. > :39:05.sticking with the issues. A Jewish peer left because he described your
:39:06. > :39:11.report as an anaemic whitewash. I regret that and I am sorry to see
:39:12. > :39:17.him go. I would urge people to read my report. I have read the report. I
:39:18. > :39:22.do not think there is any whitewash. I said difficult things to the
:39:23. > :39:27.party. I was not able to name and shame individuals still pending
:39:28. > :39:34.discipline. I understand that, but have you spoken to parry Mitchell? I
:39:35. > :39:38.have not spoken to Lord Mitchell. Would it be worthwhile to reassure
:39:39. > :39:44.him? I spoke to him in the run-up to the report and I know his concerns
:39:45. > :39:47.and when I am back in London and Westminster I will try to speak to
:39:48. > :39:52.him again. The Jewish board of deputies of the most important
:39:53. > :40:00.Jewish organisation, describing the report as a white wash for peerages
:40:01. > :40:05.scandal. A particular person described it in that way. I would
:40:06. > :40:10.say no community is a monolith and know one person speaks on behalf of
:40:11. > :40:14.an entire community and I had a lot of solidarity and gratitude and
:40:15. > :40:18.welcome and support from other members of that community. A leading
:40:19. > :40:25.Jewish charities said the report was a shameless kick in the teeth. I am
:40:26. > :40:29.sorry that not everyone agrees with everything I wrote. What leading
:40:30. > :40:34.Jewish organisations have supported your report? I have had support from
:40:35. > :40:41.a number of people in the Jewish labour movement, from rabbis. I did
:40:42. > :40:46.not ask about individuals, I asked what leading Jewish organisation has
:40:47. > :40:51.supported the report? I wrote the report mostly for Jewish members of
:40:52. > :40:57.the Labour Party who felt threatened and unwelcome and interestingly they
:40:58. > :41:01.cross the political spectrum. But what may be leading Jewish
:41:02. > :41:07.institution has backed your support? I am not doing this for institutions
:41:08. > :41:11.but for people. I know what it is like to receive racism and I have
:41:12. > :41:15.been aware of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party and in the country all
:41:16. > :41:19.my life and that motivated me to do this work and it is what motivates
:41:20. > :41:24.me still. Why did you join the Labour Party to do this report? We
:41:25. > :41:30.have known you have had Labour leanings, but for the wider public
:41:31. > :41:34.that wanted to be reassured this was an independent report, why join the
:41:35. > :41:39.party to do the report? Because in my view, if you want to achieve
:41:40. > :41:44.change and tell people difficult things about themselves and about
:41:45. > :41:52.their party, it is better to do that honestly from within. People respect
:41:53. > :41:57.you as an independent voice. That is left-leaning but not in anybody's
:41:58. > :42:03.pocket. I am not doing anybody's pocket. I might have my suspicions
:42:04. > :42:07.about your leanings as a broadcaster but I do not doubt you are
:42:08. > :42:11.independent and I am independent. People respected you as independent.
:42:12. > :42:17.Would you not undermine that by joining the party? This was a report
:42:18. > :42:21.for the party, about saying to fellow Labour members we have to
:42:22. > :42:25.look at ourselves in the mirror. This party instituted every piece of
:42:26. > :42:30.equality legislation this country has known and we have to live up to
:42:31. > :42:34.those values ourselves. Would it not have garnered more weight in the
:42:35. > :42:39.country and among people in the Labour Party if it was seen to be
:42:40. > :42:43.done by an independent outsider? Parties often bring in independent
:42:44. > :42:48.outsiders to review processes, usually a lawyer and you are a
:42:49. > :42:53.lawyer. That is one point of view. But another, and mine, it is if you
:42:54. > :42:57.want to say hard truths to any family and want to tell people they
:42:58. > :43:02.are falling down on values, sometimes it is better to do that
:43:03. > :43:06.from within. A lot of people do not think you told hard truths. You had
:43:07. > :43:12.minor criticisms but not hard truths. I do not think it is a minor
:43:13. > :43:17.criticism to talk about epithets used within the party nor to talk
:43:18. > :43:27.about the way in which the Holocaust has been used in vain. People have
:43:28. > :43:31.used Nazi stereotypes and anti-Semitic stereotypes. It is in
:43:32. > :43:35.the report as his criticism of the disciplinary process and I hope and
:43:36. > :43:40.believe now this toxic summer and this civil war is coming to an end.
:43:41. > :43:44.People from all strands of the party will get behind the report and we
:43:45. > :43:48.can do better. When was the prospect of a peerage first discussed with
:43:49. > :43:55.you? I have dealt with all of these questions. Just indulge us. It is
:43:56. > :44:00.the first time we have had to chat. The report was published on June 30.
:44:01. > :44:07.When was the prospect of a peerage first discussed, not the offer, the
:44:08. > :44:14.prospect? After the report. No discussion beforehand? It was after
:44:15. > :44:18.my report. It was part of the Prime Minister's resignation honours, I
:44:19. > :44:23.understand. There was no discussion of a peerage with anyone in the
:44:24. > :44:30.Labour Party before the report was published? I have been approached
:44:31. > :44:39.for peerages and third... Will you let me finish the answer to your
:44:40. > :44:43.question? I have been approached. I have been approached by senior
:44:44. > :44:49.politicians. I am talking about this peerage. This peerage, the only one
:44:50. > :44:54.I have ever owned, was offered to be after the report as part of the
:44:55. > :44:58.Prime Minister's resignation list. Was it discussed before the report
:44:59. > :45:03.with anybody in the Labour Party? And when were you offered the
:45:04. > :45:10.peerage, when did Mr Corbyn or his office suggest they put you up for
:45:11. > :45:14.that? It was around the time of the Prime Minister's final PMQs. I
:45:15. > :45:17.believe that is when the two men had the conversation. And you had no
:45:18. > :45:24.inkling he would be offered a peerage? I have heard all sorts of
:45:25. > :45:29.rumours and all sorts of people have suggested I entered Parliament as an
:45:30. > :45:34.MP, that I work for the party. Do different things. Because I joined
:45:35. > :45:39.the Labour Party. I have had these smears all summer. They are not
:45:40. > :45:45.smears, they factual questions. And I have answered. Would it clarify
:45:46. > :45:49.everything, a former head of Liberty and a in transparency, if you
:45:50. > :45:55.published your correspondence with the Labour Party and yourself on
:45:56. > :46:04.this matter? Yes, except there isn't any correspondence. Not at all? This
:46:05. > :46:11.was an offer that was made to me over the telephone by Mr Corbyn. He
:46:12. > :46:14.made it first? He made it over the telephone personally and there might
:46:15. > :46:18.be people in his office who have notes of that.
:46:19. > :46:26.Would you be interested in serving in the Shadow Cabinet? It would be
:46:27. > :46:32.completely presumptuous of me to be making job applications on national
:46:33. > :46:37.television. I was not asking for that, but what I am saying is, if
:46:38. > :46:43.asked, would you be interested? It is not appropriate for me to do
:46:44. > :46:46.this. Issues around the composition of the Shadow Cabinet are incredibly
:46:47. > :46:55.sensitive at a time when the party needs to unite behind Jeremy Corbyn.
:46:56. > :47:01.That is the priority. There are 16 vacancies. He needs some fresh
:47:02. > :47:06.talent, everybody would agree that you can be filed under fresh talent.
:47:07. > :47:11.Would it not be part of the Unity Project to join his team? I will try
:47:12. > :47:18.and help this party and help the Unity Project. I am trying to now by
:47:19. > :47:22.sitting here. I will do everything I can to be part of the solution and
:47:23. > :47:23.not part of the problem, but the best way for me to help is for other
:47:24. > :47:28.people to decide. Now, a proposal to have
:47:29. > :47:31.a debate on Brexit here But we're helpful folk
:47:32. > :47:35.here at the Daily Politics and wanted to allow delegates
:47:36. > :47:37.to have their say. So what better way to do
:47:38. > :47:47.that than to get Adam They are not having this debate on
:47:48. > :47:55.the conference hall, so let's have it here. Brexit, embrace it or fight
:47:56. > :48:01.it? The people have spoken, 52%, it would not be democratic to deny
:48:02. > :48:04.them. I would say embrace it. Scotland has two accept their result
:48:05. > :48:14.in 2014, we have to accept our result in 2016. Embrace it or fight
:48:15. > :48:18.it? I have gone for the wrong box! We have to be careful what the terms
:48:19. > :48:22.are, but absolutely embrace it, because it was democratic. What does
:48:23. > :48:28.your hair look like when you wake up in the morning? It is all over the
:48:29. > :48:41.place on it is a wonder to behold! Thank you. Fight it. We should have
:48:42. > :48:47.another vote. People were lied to. The man himself. That is what I
:48:48. > :48:56.tagged it as when I posted it on Facebook. 30 likes so far. Neither.
:48:57. > :49:00.Pretend it does not exist? I would like to fight it, but we have to
:49:01. > :49:06.make the best of it. Somebody thought it was embrace IT! We all
:49:07. > :49:13.have to embrace IT! Can things turn out OK? If it was the Labour Party
:49:14. > :49:21.and Jeremy sorting it out, yes, but I would not trust the Tories. We
:49:22. > :49:24.don't have to take these top-level European commissioners' word, you
:49:25. > :49:29.can do your own thing. It is not working for working people.
:49:30. > :49:37.Everybody sees midday from their own doorstep. What does that mean? It is
:49:38. > :49:43.a French saying. You speak multiple languages? What is Spanish for this?
:49:44. > :50:00.And embrace is... Can I do this for the 10pm News one
:50:01. > :50:06.night? We can do it tomorrow! I thought I could do it. That's fine!
:50:07. > :50:09.The unscientific result, it is pretty close, but there are more
:50:10. > :50:12.embrace of fun fighters. And we're joined now by Shadow
:50:13. > :50:25.Health Secretary Diane Abbott, You told a fringe meeting last night
:50:26. > :50:29.that people who voted for Brexit wanted to see less foreign looking
:50:30. > :50:36.people on their streets. Is that right? You get the sense there were
:50:37. > :50:41.a variety of reasons for voting for Brexit. One was the long-standing
:50:42. > :50:48.issue of sovereignty and Brussels bureaucracy. A lot of my colleagues
:50:49. > :50:52.have said that many of their voters voted for it because they were
:50:53. > :50:55.concerned about immigration. How many of the 17 million who voted for
:50:56. > :51:01.it wanted less foreign looking people? I can't say, but we have
:51:02. > :51:05.seen some horrible attacks both on Eastern European and people of any
:51:06. > :51:11.colour when you get far out of London. That speaks to even if it is
:51:12. > :51:15.a tiny minority people who are motivated badly. Have you
:51:16. > :51:22.established these attacks are related to Brexit? You did not have
:51:23. > :51:26.this flurry of attacks on polls and Eastern European. I have a friend on
:51:27. > :51:30.the south coast, she has had abuse shouted at her, she is a black
:51:31. > :51:42.woman, and they say, we voted for Brexit. I voted to remain. You were
:51:43. > :51:46.quite Brexit minded. I was Euro-sceptic about the economic and
:51:47. > :51:51.financial arrangements, but in the end remaining was the right thing to
:51:52. > :51:54.do. You are not one of the 17 million who want less foreign
:51:55. > :51:58.looking people around? I am not saying they were all motivated by
:51:59. > :52:03.that, but the evidence suggests that someone. The theme of your approach
:52:04. > :52:12.to the health service is to reverse the privatisation of the NHS. We are
:52:13. > :52:14.seeing a rise, a small rise, but steadily, in the amount of NHS
:52:15. > :52:21.funding going to Private organisations. What percentage?
:52:22. > :52:28.Think it is less than 10% at the moment. 6.5% of the whole budget. It
:52:29. > :52:32.is rising more slowly than it did under the last Labour Government.
:52:33. > :52:36.There is concerned about the fragmentation of the health service.
:52:37. > :52:42.And whether this will make it easier to privatise. You don't think it is
:52:43. > :52:52.the Government's policy at the moment to privatise it? The health
:52:53. > :52:54.and social act makes it easier, makes it easier for hospitals to
:52:55. > :53:02.have a higher proportion of being patient. What does it mean to
:53:03. > :53:07.nationalise the health service? Most GP practices are privately provided,
:53:08. > :53:11.they don't work for the state. Most hospital CT scanners are privately
:53:12. > :53:16.provided, buildings, beds, bandages and Lou Rawls, all medicines are
:53:17. > :53:21.privately provided. Do you want all of that to be provided by the state?
:53:22. > :53:26.Since 1948 we have had doctors who were private contractors and most of
:53:27. > :53:32.our pharmaceuticals were purchased in the private sector. I am not
:53:33. > :53:36.seeking to alter that dispensation, I am trying to say that there is a
:53:37. > :53:40.concern about more contracts going to the private sector, and what
:53:41. > :53:45.happens to the data and the privacy of data we do give that to private
:53:46. > :53:49.sector organisations? Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell seem to be
:53:50. > :53:54.concerned that the drugs the NHS uses comes from the private sector.
:53:55. > :53:57.Are you? We have always purchased some from the private sector. The
:53:58. > :54:04.state does not make drugs in this country. They want to bear down on
:54:05. > :54:07.the costs of our drugs bill and use more generics, which has been done
:54:08. > :54:12.in other parts of Europe. Do you object, pig farmer spends ?4 billion
:54:13. > :54:19.on research and develop an investment. Internationally they are
:54:20. > :54:23.more and more than anything new drugs by purchasing smaller
:54:24. > :54:27.companies rather than investing. They still spend ?4 billion a year
:54:28. > :54:32.on research and element in this country. Is that a bad thing? It is
:54:33. > :54:37.not in itself, but we have to look at the profit margins on some of
:54:38. > :54:41.those drugs. Despite the level of investment, we believe that the
:54:42. > :54:47.ongoing profit margins that these companies put is not acceptable.
:54:48. > :54:51.Junior doctors, and look like they are calling off their strike. Are
:54:52. > :54:59.they right to do so? It is not for me to say. I am asking for an
:55:00. > :55:03.opinion. They have concluded that the issues of patient safety were
:55:04. > :55:09.overriding, and they were always going to put that first. They are
:55:10. > :55:10.the doctors, if they say that safety is compromised, they are doing the
:55:11. > :55:13.right thing. Now, they've been "talking
:55:14. > :55:16.about a revolution" here at the conference centre
:55:17. > :55:19.in Liverpool, and tired of telling left-wing activists to "get back
:55:20. > :55:21.to where you once belonged". Some Labour MPs have taken
:55:22. > :55:23.the "long and winding road" to the the city's Cavern Club,
:55:24. > :55:36.where Adam joined them. The Beatles, Cilla Black and dumber
:55:37. > :55:43.for one afternoon only, the former shadow culture secretary plays the
:55:44. > :55:47.cavern club. He blagged a spot on the sacred stage thanks to a Labour
:55:48. > :55:50.member of the Lords, who is a Scouser. Let's hear some music.
:55:51. > :56:08.Guess what, he is really good. # Take these broken
:56:09. > :56:19.wings and learn to fly In the audience, some bemused
:56:20. > :56:25.tourists, a smattering of MPs, and Labour's Chief Whip. It was
:56:26. > :56:35.brilliant. Is he allowed time off to do this? Special dispensation for
:56:36. > :56:40.Michael, obviously! He has been a vocal critic of Jeremy Corbyn. He is
:56:41. > :56:53.not in the Shadow Cabinet anymore. But this was all about the music.
:56:54. > :56:58.Thank you. Well, mostly. This is more fun than the conference!
:56:59. > :57:01.And we're joined by the former shadow Culture Secretary
:57:02. > :57:05.Michael Dugher, who you saw performing there.
:57:06. > :57:13.What Beatles lyrics define the state of the Labour Party? For one or two
:57:14. > :57:21.of the people screaming at us, back in the USSR! That was too easy! I
:57:22. > :57:26.would like to think come together would be good. I don't want to spoil
:57:27. > :57:41.the party. Which songs did you choose yesterday? Get Back. What not
:57:42. > :57:43.a political song? A Beatles song! I would like to hear you play. Play is
:57:44. > :57:52.out. # Blackbird singing
:57:53. > :58:01.in the dead of night # Take these broken
:58:02. > :58:08.wings and learn to fly # You were only waiting
:58:09. > :58:14.for this moment to arrive # Blackbird singing
:58:15. > :58:16.in the dead of night # Take these broken
:58:17. > :58:23.wings and learn to fly # You were only waiting
:58:24. > :58:36.for this moment to arrive # Into the light of
:58:37. > :59:00.the dark black night # Blackbird singing
:59:01. > :59:02.in the dead of night # Take these broken
:59:03. > :59:03.wings and learn to fly