:00:00. > :00:11.Welcome to the final day of Labour Party Conference
:00:12. > :00:23.It will be closed by a keynote speech by Jeremy Corbyn.
:00:24. > :00:26.Will it help heal the deep divisions in the party?
:00:27. > :00:53.Or will it set off a new storm over immigration?
:00:54. > :00:59.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:01:00. > :01:04.Jeremy Corbyn says a Labour government won't seek
:01:05. > :01:06.to reduce immigration, will the extra money he's promising
:01:07. > :01:11.for areas affected by immigration be enough to ease public concern?
:01:12. > :01:13.STUDIO: A divisive leadership battle ended as Labour's week
:01:14. > :01:19.the focus from splits and divisions onto policy?
:01:20. > :01:27.We'll look at the announcements that have been made.
:01:28. > :01:29.Labour and their leader are struggling in the polls,
:01:30. > :01:36.for a failure to get their message across?
:01:37. > :01:40.I have this book of jokes about Jeremy Corbyn, can I read one to
:01:41. > :01:44.you? STUDIO: And we took a whole
:01:45. > :01:47.book of Corbyn jokes out but did anyone find
:01:48. > :02:00.them funny? All that in our first
:02:01. > :02:04.of two programmes from the Labour party conference
:02:05. > :02:05.today from the wonderful
:02:06. > :02:06.city of Liverpool. And joining me to take stock
:02:07. > :02:15.on the final day of conference What is or overall impression of the
:02:16. > :02:23.conference? It has been a weird mishmash of things going on, in
:02:24. > :02:27.opposition parties conferences, it feels like sometimes half the action
:02:28. > :02:31.is away from here, down the road, at the momentum jamboree, and half was
:02:32. > :02:36.here. We spent a whole week talking about unity and still struggling for
:02:37. > :02:42.evidence of that. A weird mishmash? The way it is set up by the media,
:02:43. > :02:48.like a pub brawl, really it is more like people setting at separate
:02:49. > :02:52.tables. It sounds a bit contrarian, but the obvious reference point is
:02:53. > :02:55.the 1980s, massive divisions in the Labour Party but there were far
:02:56. > :02:58.greater ideological differences back then, mainstream figures call for
:02:59. > :03:06.nationalisation of the monopolies, these days, there is quite a lot of
:03:07. > :03:11.unity on the issues, conferences education and not selection,
:03:12. > :03:15.spending rather than cuts, public health services, there is not the
:03:16. > :03:19.great division, a lot of it is about tone and posture, often, and I
:03:20. > :03:23.think, when you go through the issues, if you ask what the main
:03:24. > :03:26.differences are with the other side, people often don't know what to say.
:03:27. > :03:31.Perhaps a series to divide on immigration? It is not necessarily
:03:32. > :03:34.called left or right, the most pro-immigration wings of the Labour
:03:35. > :03:39.Party were the Blairite right and the Labour left, traditionally, now
:03:40. > :03:42.you have the likes of Chuka Umunna, pro-immigration but now he has
:03:43. > :03:49.reversed his position. That is compensated. A little bit of
:03:50. > :03:55.interference on the sound, for our viewers, I hope that you can still
:03:56. > :03:58.here as well. Robert be a relief for them not to be able to hear my
:03:59. > :04:04.babblings! LAUGHTER Isn't the problem that we face
:04:05. > :04:11.today, the conference began with leadership problems. -- probably a
:04:12. > :04:15.relief. Given what we think Jeremy Corbyn will be saying about
:04:16. > :04:18.immigration, the Libyan argument? The interesting thing about this
:04:19. > :04:22.conference, is that you see all sorts of divisions opening up that
:04:23. > :04:24.we have been ignoring. Division between socially conservative
:04:25. > :04:28.labour, which is your Labour heartland vote, northern cities,
:04:29. > :04:33.Welsh valleys, coalfield communities, former industrial
:04:34. > :04:40.areas, post-industrial areas, they have been hostile to immigration.
:04:41. > :04:45.Immigration comes up time and time again, they do not have consent for
:04:46. > :04:49.the levels of immigration we have. And liberal left part of Labour,
:04:50. > :04:55.North London, they feel very differently about it. That is a very
:04:56. > :04:59.difficult choice for Progressive parties but much harder for Labour,
:05:00. > :05:04.because there is a lot of Labour voters, Ukip inclined, who will hate
:05:05. > :05:07.what he has to say today. If he wants to heal the party, why is he
:05:08. > :05:12.not making any concessions on immigration? For the reasons Gabby
:05:13. > :05:17.has said, it is a difficult one for him to tread, the Labour coalition
:05:18. > :05:20.is fragmenting over lots of issues, in the big cities, as you say,
:05:21. > :05:25.London, Manchester, Birmingham, younger voters, Labour inclined,
:05:26. > :05:29.quite well disposed to immigration, if they hear anti-immigration
:05:30. > :05:33.rhetoric, they will go elsewhere or not vote. Older working-class
:05:34. > :05:38.voters, particularly in small towns, feel immigration is a threat, it
:05:39. > :05:41.causes in security, and so on. If they see something that is seen as
:05:42. > :05:47.pro-immigration, they will go elsewhere. The line he has to pursue
:05:48. > :05:51.is to emphasise that he understands people's concerns, but I grew up,
:05:52. > :05:57.not many immigrants, but lots of concerns. What people often feel is
:05:58. > :06:02.consulted, they feel politicians do not take their concerns seriously.
:06:03. > :06:05.What he has to say is, I know you have concerns, I understand them, I
:06:06. > :06:09.don't think you are racist or bigoted for having on, that is why,
:06:10. > :06:15.front and central, migrant impact fund which gives resources to areas
:06:16. > :06:21.with high levels of immigration. It is interesting, it was abolished...
:06:22. > :06:27.Gordon Brown introduced it, 150 million... 50 million? That is what
:06:28. > :06:35.he said, he did not spend that much. I know that it was very small. How
:06:36. > :06:39.much did Tower Hamlets get? ?60,000. Well, it needs to be properly
:06:40. > :06:42.resourced, immigrants taking more than they give back, allocating
:06:43. > :06:48.resources, that is the kind of argument people make. The problem is
:06:49. > :06:54.that Labour politicians have been saying since 2010 and before that
:06:55. > :07:00.they understand your concerns... Ed Miliband tried the same approach.
:07:01. > :07:04.People want action. Ed Miliband tried the same approach, we
:07:05. > :07:07.understand your pain, we feel your pain, we will stop undercutting
:07:08. > :07:11.wages, but people either don't believe that it works, all, it is
:07:12. > :07:14.not just about undercutting wages, there is something deeper and more
:07:15. > :07:19.emotional about community is changing, which is not addressed by
:07:20. > :07:22.money. We shall see, it looks like it is going to be one of the main
:07:23. > :07:26.affairs today, particularly because home affairs will be part of the
:07:27. > :07:31.focus. Back to Joe in London, we have been looking at divisions, but
:07:32. > :07:35.there has also been plenty of policy announcements. -- Jo.
:07:36. > :07:37.Unusually for a party conference, there have been plenty of policy
:07:38. > :07:39.announcements this week, so we thought we'd pull together
:07:40. > :07:46.Jeremy Corbyn and his team have been doling out policy sweeties this
:07:47. > :07:49.conference like they are going out of fashion, which of course they
:07:50. > :07:54.was John McDonnell's pledge for a minimum wage of
:07:55. > :07:59.with a plan to ban tax avoiding firms from winning
:08:00. > :08:04.a future Labour government will make up any shortfall in European funding
:08:05. > :08:06.for the regions went down well with activists.
:08:07. > :08:11.after his pledge to accept party support for Trident renewal was said
:08:12. > :08:25.to have been removed from his speech while on the auto cue.
:08:26. > :08:33.saying that the nuclear weapon system would be renewed
:08:34. > :08:35.as long as it remained party policy.
:08:36. > :08:39.on Andy McDonald's proposals to give local communities more control
:08:40. > :08:41.over their bus services and return them to the public
:08:42. > :08:44.One of the most controversial announcements
:08:45. > :08:53.was that of a complete ban on fracking,
:08:54. > :08:56.made by Barry Gardiner despite criticism from the GMB union.
:08:57. > :08:58.announcement comes from Jeremy Corbyn himself,
:08:59. > :09:01.who will commit the party to not cutting the numbers of migrants.
:09:02. > :09:05.Apologies again for the sound in Liverpool, we have change the
:09:06. > :09:08.microphone, hopefully there will be an improvement.
:09:09. > :09:11.I've been joined by the shadow secretary of state for
:09:12. > :09:12.international trade, energy, climate change
:09:13. > :09:25.The policy will have to change to reflect the Brexit vote, it was
:09:26. > :09:30.said, how has it changed? What we have to do, we have to make sure
:09:31. > :09:34.that people understand that there is controls on immigration. So that
:09:35. > :09:43.people who are coming to this country feel that the ones that are
:09:44. > :09:46.coming in are benefiting them... It would be making sure that the people
:09:47. > :09:50.who come here have the skills and are able to contribute to our
:09:51. > :09:55.economy in a way that everybody is going to benefit from. And that they
:09:56. > :10:06.are not going to be people who are either displacing people from work
:10:07. > :10:09.here, but the key thing is, I don't think people are in the opening
:10:10. > :10:11.piece you referred to numbers, I don't think... People are concerned
:10:12. > :10:16.that there should be controlled immigration, so that they can see
:10:17. > :10:21.the benefits... Let me ask you about control, what control would Labour
:10:22. > :10:25.have on immigration from the EU? You are asking me to second-guess what
:10:26. > :10:29.we are going to now have in terms of the relationship with the EU. We are
:10:30. > :10:33.going to be out of the EU, what controls would Labour have? We don't
:10:34. > :10:38.know about the relationship that we will have with the youth. This is
:10:39. > :10:43.something they have got to come clean on. Jeremy Corbyn, Jeremy
:10:44. > :10:48.Corbyn... I'm trying to give you an answer... Jeremy Corbyn has told us,
:10:49. > :10:52.he said, " we are not out to control immigration in terms of numbers, in
:10:53. > :10:54.terms of numbers, there would be no controlled immigration.
:10:55. > :11:01.To say there is no control is absolutely wrong, let me clearly
:11:02. > :11:05.answer the question that you put. What people need to be able to see
:11:06. > :11:09.is that there are controls over the people who are coming into this
:11:10. > :11:15.country, in a new relationship. This government has not set out whether
:11:16. > :11:18.it would prioritise the passport team of goods and services into a
:11:19. > :11:23.single market, the financial services and other services that we
:11:24. > :11:27.need all the free movement of people. -- passporting of goods. If
:11:28. > :11:32.it doesn't come clean with the British public about what the red
:11:33. > :11:36.line in the negotiation is, then... I'm not asking you about government
:11:37. > :11:40.policy, I will be doing that with the government next week, I am
:11:41. > :11:44.asking about Labour Party policy. You are asking me to tell the
:11:45. > :11:48.future, I cannot because I do not know what the government will
:11:49. > :11:51.negotiate. You could have a policy urging them to negotiate for
:11:52. > :11:55.something, that is your job as opposition. Last night the office
:11:56. > :11:59.brief Jeremy Corbyn's office said that he was not concerned about
:12:00. > :12:04.numbers, if you are not concerned about numbers, what controls would
:12:05. > :12:11.you have on EU immigration? Quality, quality control. We already have a
:12:12. > :12:17.system for judging, we have Tier one, Tier two, T four. Not for EU
:12:18. > :12:22.immigration. I'm talking about a system for judging. We already have
:12:23. > :12:26.a system for judging in the immigration control system. For
:12:27. > :12:30.non-EU. But you are now asking me to say what it would be for the EU, we
:12:31. > :12:36.don't know what the future relationship with the EU is. If
:12:37. > :12:40.there is an election next year, which party thinks there is, you
:12:41. > :12:43.would have to do the negotiations, you would have to have a policy on
:12:44. > :12:47.immigration, where you would negotiate. I'm trying to work out
:12:48. > :12:52.what that policy is. So far, no answer has come. I have given new
:12:53. > :12:58.two answers, you just don't like the answers, make a distinction there.
:12:59. > :13:02.Let me ask you again, how would you control immigration? I'll tell you,
:13:03. > :13:07.what we would do, if we were government next year, we would
:13:08. > :13:12.negotiate a Brexit on the basis that there are certain principles that
:13:13. > :13:18.you remain true to, one of those is to say that immigration must benefit
:13:19. > :13:22.the people in this country. Quality controls, like we already have
:13:23. > :13:26.outside of the EU, in terms of Tier one, Tier two, Tier four. He would
:13:27. > :13:30.then be able to put those controls in place, and that would be part of
:13:31. > :13:33.the Brexit negotiation. What I'm saying to you is I cannot predict
:13:34. > :13:37.what the government is going to do, and I don't know what colleagues in
:13:38. > :13:41.the rest of Europe are going to be prepared to grant us. That is why I
:13:42. > :13:46.say you have to do this from the point of principle. Just to be clear
:13:47. > :13:52.on this, you would have a whole series of controls, on EU migration?
:13:53. > :13:57.What I am saying is that I would have quality controls on all
:13:58. > :14:01.migration into this country. Because what we want, and what the British
:14:02. > :14:05.people want, is they want to know that if people are coming into the
:14:06. > :14:09.UK, it is going to benefit their lives and not just the people who
:14:10. > :14:16.are coming. Of course we will always take refugees, that is entirely
:14:17. > :14:19.sensible. When we are talking about economic immigration, the economy
:14:20. > :14:22.must work in the favour of the British people and the British
:14:23. > :14:27.public, if they see that political parties are prepared to put those
:14:28. > :14:30.controls in place, then I believe, and they are working to their
:14:31. > :14:33.benefit, then I believe it is not the numbers that matter, it is
:14:34. > :14:38.actually the quality and the economic benefit they are bringing.
:14:39. > :14:47.When he says he's not about numbers, that is consistent with having
:14:48. > :14:49.substantial controls. All right. Of course, of course, because it is
:14:50. > :14:55.quality controlled, quality controlled. With no regard on the
:14:56. > :14:59.numbers? It is about making sure that the people who are coming here
:15:00. > :15:03.are benefiting our society, if more people were coming here than there
:15:04. > :15:07.was employment for, that would automatically be a quality control,
:15:08. > :15:12.but it would also limit numbers. These ask serious questions, you are
:15:13. > :15:15.trying to trap me into a semantic phrase will stop I am trying to
:15:16. > :15:21.figure out what is your policy. Which I have given you. -- I am
:15:22. > :15:27.trying to figure out what is your policy? I have given you the answer,
:15:28. > :15:29.they are clear. The viewers will decide if they are clear. Andy
:15:30. > :15:33.Burnham has said he would not like to be included in the next Shadow
:15:34. > :15:37.Cabinet because he will be running for mayor of Manchester, he said
:15:38. > :15:40.Labour voters feel taken for granted and abandoned because of the failure
:15:41. > :15:47.of the political class to curb immigration. Do you agree?
:15:48. > :15:55.I think Andy is making an important point, that people feel abandoned,
:15:56. > :15:58.that the forces of globalisation which mean that multinational
:15:59. > :16:04.companies move labour across the globe, exploit tax regimes and make
:16:05. > :16:08.sure they get the benefit instead of the benefit accruing to local
:16:09. > :16:21.people. Local people had seen jobs go, all the certainties of place.
:16:22. > :16:25.They used to know that generations of people worked in the same towns.
:16:26. > :16:29.We have to show people that there are new jobs. That globalisation is
:16:30. > :16:33.something that can be controlled. My own view is that we are more likely
:16:34. > :16:38.to be able to control that by working and cooperating with others
:16:39. > :16:48.around the globe then simply by being in isolation on our own. You
:16:49. > :16:59.were part of the group that said Labour
:17:00. > :17:22.the energy infrastructure, energy infrastructure for the future and
:17:23. > :17:26.not the past. Looking at president Barack Obama, they ratify the
:17:27. > :17:31.climate change agreement, the disagreement. Last week the governor
:17:32. > :17:35.of the Bank of England, Mark Carney was talking about how there is five
:17:36. > :17:37.times more energy, oil and gas reserves, identified then we can
:17:38. > :17:57.use. Why is it right to input shale gas
:17:58. > :18:16.from America, when we have plenty of by doing that now, by investing now,
:18:17. > :18:24.in that technology, and remember here, this is a technology that,
:18:25. > :18:28.George Osborne, when he was Chancellor, gave 75% tax allowances,
:18:29. > :18:32.capital allowances, too. The only way they can make it profitable is
:18:33. > :18:37.on the backs of taxpayers. The average life of a shale gas...? The
:18:38. > :18:46.average life of a shale gas field is about three years.
:18:47. > :18:57.We will need gas for quite a while. I insert viewing you -- am I
:18:58. > :19:00.interviewing you? Oil is running out in the North Sea, you want to ban
:19:01. > :19:07.fracking, so the only alternative is that in the years ahead we will
:19:08. > :19:14.import more and more gas. Make a distinction, Andrew, between gas and
:19:15. > :19:20.shale gas. What we do at the moment is, we have more gas that we produce
:19:21. > :19:31.in this country. We export 33.8% of the gas that we produce, and we only
:19:32. > :19:36.import... We had 5% lower imports of gas than we had the year before.
:19:37. > :19:41.That is because we are losing less. North Sea gas is running out, isn't
:19:42. > :19:46.it? You make these statements, but you don't listen to the answers. The
:19:47. > :19:51.answer I am giving is that actually our production of gas in this
:19:52. > :19:55.country over the past five years has increased. Year-on-year. Let me
:19:56. > :20:00.clarify, because it means everything I've read must have been wrong.
:20:01. > :20:03.North Sea gas is not running out? Eventually, of course, every field
:20:04. > :20:12.will run out, but not in the time frame that we have now, in the next
:20:13. > :20:16.15 years. If you look at the Cambridge Econometrics report, it
:20:17. > :20:22.shows there will be a 26% reduction in gas demand in this country by
:20:23. > :20:30.2030. That's why it makes no sense at all to lock us into a fossil fuel
:20:31. > :20:36.shale gas technology subsidised by 75% by the British taxpayer. If we
:20:37. > :20:43.are producing so much gas, why are we importing ?15 billion per year of
:20:44. > :20:52.gas? Because we are exporting more. That is why. You're laughing. Do you
:20:53. > :21:00.want to check the figures, Andrew? I will. Because we are exporting 33.8%
:21:01. > :21:09.of the gas that we produce. We are importing... ?15 billion. 1.1
:21:10. > :21:14.billion cubic metres less than we are exporting. In actual fact, the
:21:15. > :21:21.whole point is that we do need gas, we'd need natural gas -- we need
:21:22. > :21:25.natural gas that will take us through the gaps in renewables to
:21:26. > :21:30.take us through to 2030. We need gas to do that and I support it. What we
:21:31. > :21:34.don't need is to be locking ourselves into a new gas
:21:35. > :21:41.infrastructure, namely shale gas, which is subsidised three quarters
:21:42. > :21:45.by the taxpayer and which will demand a return over a 35 year
:21:46. > :21:48.period which takes us beyond that time when gas will be diminishing in
:21:49. > :21:55.the system. You've made that very clear. Thank you very much. Good.
:21:56. > :22:06.Now, back to Jo in London. I've been joined in the studio
:22:07. > :22:17.by the Chief Secretary Giving your remain position during
:22:18. > :22:20.the EU referendum campaign, can we presume you are in support of free
:22:21. > :22:26.movement as Jeremy Corbyn has outlined it? We voted to leave the
:22:27. > :22:29.European Union, you are right. I was on the other side of the argument.
:22:30. > :22:34.The British people have made a decision and we have to respect
:22:35. > :22:38.that. One of the key elements that drove a lot of people to vote to
:22:39. > :22:43.leave the EU were concerns about migration. In terms of negotiating
:22:44. > :22:47.our new relationship with the EU, that needs to reflect that. It needs
:22:48. > :22:52.to reflect the concerns the British people have about how free movement
:22:53. > :22:56.of labour operates. You thought those people were wrong during the
:22:57. > :22:59.campaign. You are in principle and personally in agreement with Jeremy
:23:00. > :23:05.Corbyn, who doesn't want a limit on the numbers of migrants coming into
:23:06. > :23:11.the UK? That's what you campaigned on - freedom of movement in the EU.
:23:12. > :23:14.I don't agree that we can ignore the voice of the British people. The
:23:15. > :23:24.British people have made a decision. We fought the referendum on the
:23:25. > :23:28.basis of the reforms negotiated that I'm no longer available to us. It is
:23:29. > :23:30.important in terms of the new relationship with the EU that we
:23:31. > :23:36.don't just ignore what the British people have said, that the new
:23:37. > :23:42.relationship has to reflect what the British people have said. You've
:23:43. > :23:46.said during the referendum is that Britain would be worse off if it
:23:47. > :23:53.limited migration. Are you now saying you were wrong? I am saying
:23:54. > :23:57.that in terms of the negotiation, we got -- we have got to reflect the
:23:58. > :24:00.concerns of the British people in terms of free movement of labour,
:24:01. > :24:07.and we need to ensure we have a strong access to those European
:24:08. > :24:11.markets for goods and services, and that we don't put in place
:24:12. > :24:16.unnecessary barriers to trade. You don't believe now that Britain would
:24:17. > :24:21.be worse off if it limits migration? The position that I and others
:24:22. > :24:25.argued during the referendum campaign was leaving the EU would
:24:26. > :24:31.make is worse off than we would otherwise be. When you talk than the
:24:32. > :24:37.Treasury talked about the impact and benefits of immigration, they said,
:24:38. > :24:41.you said, that Britain is better off economically broadly as a result of
:24:42. > :24:46.immigration. So you were wrong? We have to have a migration policy that
:24:47. > :24:52.reflects the fact... You said that. I'm trying to say that your personal
:24:53. > :24:56.position was the same as Jeremy Corbyn's. We need to respect the
:24:57. > :25:03.result but also ensure it works in the best interests of the UK
:25:04. > :25:07.economy. We need to make sure we have the right people with the right
:25:08. > :25:13.skills and so on. You agree with Barry Gardiner, who once quality
:25:14. > :25:17.controls on all migration, including the EU? In a different position from
:25:18. > :25:21.the one we were in before the referendum. What we're hearing from
:25:22. > :25:25.Jeremy Corbyn, as far as I can see, and admittedly that briefing we
:25:26. > :25:28.received yesterday of what Barry Gardiner was just saying don't
:25:29. > :25:36.appear to be consistent, but we will see what Jeremy says. He says the
:25:37. > :25:44.quality counts. The numbers do matter. You've failed completely to
:25:45. > :25:49.control those numbers. The numbers, in the end, didn't matter, did they?
:25:50. > :25:54.There were steps we took to reduce those numbers. We have a target to
:25:55. > :26:00.bring those numbers down. Actually, there were aspects of the EU
:26:01. > :26:04.negotiation which were about trying to restrict access to benefits,
:26:05. > :26:14.which the public understandably had a lot of concern about. The idea
:26:15. > :26:20.that Jeremy Corbyn is saying that we should do nothing to address the
:26:21. > :26:22.issue of migration, and whether that is the message he puts out this
:26:23. > :26:27.afternoon, we will watch with interest. It may demonstrate he is
:26:28. > :26:32.out of touch with where the British people are. The and for where you
:26:33. > :26:36.were before the referendum result. Before we leave immigration, the
:26:37. > :26:41.migrant impact fund was scrapped by you. Was that the right decision? We
:26:42. > :26:47.came to office at a period of time where there were difficult decisions
:26:48. > :26:50.to make about the public finances. Because of the impact on communities
:26:51. > :26:55.that you were representing, who felt you were -- they were being ignored
:26:56. > :26:59.by politicians, and yet you got rid of the fun. We inherited the most
:27:00. > :27:06.awful mess and had to sort it out. We had to make difficult decisions
:27:07. > :27:12.when it came to public finances. It became the priority. I'm not sure it
:27:13. > :27:17.was the migration impact fund that was the priority issue at the
:27:18. > :27:23.referendum... Really? It was going to help communities deal with an
:27:24. > :27:25.increase in immigration. The work concerns about immigration before it
:27:26. > :27:30.was in existence and they remain after it has gone. We shouldn't
:27:31. > :27:35.place too much emphasis necessarily on that. We have to ensure that we
:27:36. > :27:39.have an economy that works for everybody and that those areas are
:27:40. > :27:44.left behind, whether that is done through a particular fund or through
:27:45. > :27:49.other means, I think... Lets take the phrase, a country that works for
:27:50. > :27:52.everyone and not the privileged few. Labour have won the battle of ideas,
:27:53. > :27:59.never mind the Battle of rhetoric, in terms of public announcements.
:28:00. > :28:02.Workers on board, a proper living wage, and Theresa May defining
:28:03. > :28:08.herself by the words that I've just said. We are all socialist now,
:28:09. > :28:20.aren't we? Yellow might know. You have copied every single one of
:28:21. > :28:24.those policies. Jackie -- no. We have reformed public services and
:28:25. > :28:29.welfare in the teeth of labour opposition. We have cut taxes,
:28:30. > :28:32.focused particularly on the lower paid. We have increased the personal
:28:33. > :28:36.allowance for income tax. Not necessarily opposed by Labour but
:28:37. > :28:42.not something they did in office. What about workers on boards - that
:28:43. > :28:46.was a Labour policy that you have taken on board. A proper living wage
:28:47. > :28:53.of ?10 or more - argue in agreement with that? It was the Tories that
:28:54. > :28:57.brought in the living wage. It was an extension of the minimum wage
:28:58. > :29:01.brought in by Labour. You have stolen the idea. We brought it in
:29:02. > :29:07.when John McDonnell was still a backbencher. We can hardly say that
:29:08. > :29:11.was John McDonnell's idea. Do you agree with the aspiration of ?10 an
:29:12. > :29:18.hour? We believe in a national living wage full stop at ?10 an
:29:19. > :29:23.hour? You have to balance the benefits are low paid workers with
:29:24. > :29:28.the risks to employment. George Osborne make that decision
:29:29. > :29:32.unilaterally. He ignored the low pay commission so that politics could
:29:33. > :29:37.set the standard. He based it on the work that Sir George Bain had done,
:29:38. > :29:49.who was the first chair of the low pay commission, who recommended a
:29:50. > :29:53.link of 60% of mean income. If you like, we can all plot numbers out of
:29:54. > :29:59.the air. If we had said ?10, they could say it 11. John McDonnell said
:30:00. > :30:05.it was based on what could actually -- what people could actually live
:30:06. > :30:10.on, rather than a median amount. I think he has. He made this
:30:11. > :30:17.announcement this time last year, as far as I can see. Do you agree with
:30:18. > :30:21.it? It was the Conservative Government that brought in the
:30:22. > :30:26.national living wage. In terms of the judgment, following expert
:30:27. > :30:28.advice, it was 60% of median income. Would you like to see it go to ?10
:30:29. > :30:43.an hour by 2020? We have to make a judgment about the
:30:44. > :30:47.rate at which jobs will be lost, when we do not have access to the
:30:48. > :30:51.Labour market, we have an extremely good record of getting people
:30:52. > :30:54.working over the last six years. It is a question of finding the right
:30:55. > :30:58.balance. In one of your previous answers you said that you had
:30:59. > :31:02.addressed the public finances, actually, where is the evidence for
:31:03. > :31:06.that, given that George Osborne dropped his fiscal rule to reach a
:31:07. > :31:12.surplus, before losing his job, and even the IMF have come out to say,
:31:13. > :31:15.fiscal consolidation has not worked, and world is moving against
:31:16. > :31:19.austerity and we will be against the policy. If you look at what has
:31:20. > :31:24.happened to the public finances, the job is not done. It is not completed
:31:25. > :31:29.in the first term of office and it is still a work in progress. We have
:31:30. > :31:33.not completed the job of eliminating the deficit, I'm the first to admit
:31:34. > :31:37.that, but we have demonstrated that we have brought it down, very
:31:38. > :31:41.significantly, from where it was, at a record level, the point I was
:31:42. > :31:45.making, roaring a divide between what we heard from the Labour Party
:31:46. > :31:49.throughout the last Parliament, don't worry too much... About
:31:50. > :31:55.austerity, which is what you are doing. I would not categorise it...
:31:56. > :31:59.You have dropped that Kieran will, to reach a surplus and eliminate the
:32:00. > :32:04.deficit. The circumstances have changed. Because of the Brexit vote,
:32:05. > :32:12.we are not going to go chasing after that. -- that key promise. It is
:32:13. > :32:15.still important that we live within our means, and get the deficit down.
:32:16. > :32:22.David, thank you very much joining us.
:32:23. > :32:29.Reverting back to Barry Gardner's interview, we were talking about the
:32:30. > :32:33.amount of gas that Britain imports or exports, I was surprised when he
:32:34. > :32:37.said that we exported a lot of gas, overall, we seem to be very strong
:32:38. > :32:42.in that regard. On the latest government figures that I have here,
:32:43. > :32:48.official figures, they say that the UK has been a net importer of gas
:32:49. > :32:53.since 2004, a net importer of gas, with net imports of gas in 2015
:32:54. > :32:58.accounting for just over 40% of the total supply of gas. Maybe we are
:32:59. > :32:59.talking about two different things, that is what I was basing my
:33:00. > :33:01.questions on. Let's just pick up
:33:02. > :33:05.on the issue of immigration, Jeremy Corbyn's office said that
:33:06. > :33:08.as Labour government would not seek to control the numbers
:33:09. > :33:13.coming in to the country. Shadow Home Secretary Andy Burnham
:33:14. > :33:18.has been speaking about this two conference in the last few minutes.
:33:19. > :33:22.Let Labour stand for a fairer Brexit, not a hard Brexit, true to
:33:23. > :33:26.Britain's past, protecting the economy but crucially also providing
:33:27. > :33:31.the change that people voted for. Conference, this party was must
:33:32. > :33:35.fully face up to this fact. Millions of lifelong Labour supporters voted
:33:36. > :33:40.to leave the EU, let's be honest, they voted for change on
:33:41. > :33:41.immigration. We have not yet even begun to show them that we
:33:42. > :33:49.understand why. Let's get some reaction from
:33:50. > :33:55.the Labour MP, Stephen Kinnock. Last night it was being briefed out
:33:56. > :33:58.from the office of Jeremy Corbyn that the Labour leader was not
:33:59. > :34:02.concerned about numbers when it comes to immigration. Were you happy
:34:03. > :34:07.about that? I don't think that is the right way to go, I say that if
:34:08. > :34:11.we want to build a society that have let our values of compassion,
:34:12. > :34:14.cohesive communities, of what people working together in harmony, then we
:34:15. > :34:19.have got to talk about controlling the inflow of Labour from other
:34:20. > :34:23.countries. I believe we should be talking about a sector by sector
:34:24. > :34:27.approach, defining the numbers we need in each of the areas,
:34:28. > :34:31.agriculture, home care services, the retail sector. Setting a number that
:34:32. > :34:37.is appropriate, and when we reach that number, we say, that is it,
:34:38. > :34:40.that is all we need. We must make it clear to people that we respect
:34:41. > :34:44.their desire for having control of the borders and the way that the
:34:45. > :34:49.labour market works, so that we can build the sort of society that we
:34:50. > :34:52.actually want to build. Are you aware of any controlled that Jeremy
:34:53. > :34:58.Corbyn would be in favour of, on, for example, EU migration, after
:34:59. > :35:02.Brexit? I have not studied the detail of what he is proposing, it
:35:03. > :35:05.is not something that has been discussed in the Parliamentary
:35:06. > :35:08.Labour Party so far, I can't comment too much in detail, but certainly,
:35:09. > :35:16.the message coming through seems to be about an open door, with no
:35:17. > :35:20.controls at all. I really hope that Jeremy Hall rethink that, and
:35:21. > :35:25.reconsider that. We have got to have a clear message around making
:35:26. > :35:29.immigration work for all of our people. The integration side of it,
:35:30. > :35:34.with the migration impact fund, we welcome that, what let's remember,
:35:35. > :35:36.many of the people who have deep concerns about immigration, there is
:35:37. > :35:42.not much immigration in their communities. This is an issue of
:35:43. > :35:49.control, not integration. Barry Gardner, who I also spoke with about
:35:50. > :35:53.immigration, not just gas, he outlined... He said there would be a
:35:54. > :35:58.range of quality controls on immigration. Including immigration
:35:59. > :36:05.from the European Union. -- Barry Gardiner. Do you know anything about
:36:06. > :36:09.that? That is a bit of a risk, it seems to conflict with the message
:36:10. > :36:13.coming from Jeremy and the speech, the briefing about the speech we
:36:14. > :36:18.have received, there is a risk that looks like we are making it up on
:36:19. > :36:22.the hoof. I hope that we will be able to have a hell stick and
:36:23. > :36:27.constructive debate within the PLP, and I will be arguing firmly for
:36:28. > :36:31.saying that 23rd of June result was a political earthquake, we cannot
:36:32. > :36:36.pretend that there is not a clear message there are, about the need
:36:37. > :36:41.for control, but we also can say that this does not necessarily mean
:36:42. > :36:44.a hard Brexit. We are in the process of negotiating, we as a Labour Party
:36:45. > :36:48.must set clear tests for the government on what we think a clear
:36:49. > :36:52.Brexit looks like, marrying together democratic imperative around control
:36:53. > :36:56.over free movement with the economic imperative of not wrecking the
:36:57. > :37:00.economy through the Brexit process. Theresa May is supposed to be a
:37:01. > :37:05.tough and effective command negotiator, let's set those tests,
:37:06. > :37:09.hold her feet to the fire. -- -- Theresa May is supposed be a tough
:37:10. > :37:14.and effective negotiator, let's set those tests, hold her feet to the
:37:15. > :37:18.fire. Why do you say that? That is what I have read in the newspaper. I
:37:19. > :37:23.regard was talking about quality controls for all immigration, tests
:37:24. > :37:27.and so on, is it not likely as part of the immigration that we will have
:37:28. > :37:32.two be more liberal towards EU migration, if we are wanting things
:37:33. > :37:37.from them, then to immigration from the rest of the world? -- have to.
:37:38. > :37:43.What is required here, is a proper bottom-up process, where a
:37:44. > :37:46.government and employers and trade unions have conversations, sector by
:37:47. > :37:51.sector, about what is required, what are the skills required, what is
:37:52. > :37:54.required for the NHS, what is required in the agricultural
:37:55. > :37:59.industry, and we set a number on that basis. And we can say on the
:38:00. > :38:03.doorstep, we have a handle on this, we are on top of this, and we have
:38:04. > :38:08.set the number as this much, when it gets to that much, we will close the
:38:09. > :38:12.door. That is the way that it works in Australia. I was very surprised
:38:13. > :38:17.to see Theresa May come out against a points-based system. If you are
:38:18. > :38:20.going to have quality controlled and criteria, whether we call it
:38:21. > :38:24.points-based or quality control, I don't mind, but you have got to have
:38:25. > :38:27.those filters in place, so that we can reassure the British people so
:38:28. > :38:31.that we can move the conversation onto what kind of public services we
:38:32. > :38:36.need, what kind of investment we need, class sizes to full? We cannot
:38:37. > :38:39.see all of that through the prism of immigration, but that is what is
:38:40. > :38:45.happening at the moment. -- too full. If we impose work permits on
:38:46. > :38:49.EU members, they would undoubtably impose work permits on British
:38:50. > :38:53.citizens going there are, is that really a constructive way forward,
:38:54. > :38:57.to have work permit? I think that there is more of an appetite than
:38:58. > :39:01.there has ever been in countries like Germany, France, the Nordics,
:39:02. > :39:05.the Netherlands, to have a root and branch review of the way that free
:39:06. > :39:08.movement works. Theresa May has the opportunity now to use that
:39:09. > :39:15.leveraged, to go to Berling, to go to Paris, and work together on this,
:39:16. > :39:20.the Brexit referendum gives us an opportunity to think in a new way
:39:21. > :39:23.about how freedom of movement works. -- use that leverage. Let's look for
:39:24. > :39:26.a pan-European settlement, if you can strike that bargain, you can
:39:27. > :39:30.then have a very different conversation about access to the
:39:31. > :39:36.single market of goods services and capital. A migration fund is being
:39:37. > :39:42.proposed, Lord Browne had won, only lasted for a couple of years. It was
:39:43. > :39:49.only tens of millions, very small fund. Would a much larger fund work?
:39:50. > :39:57.-- Gordon Brown. How wrong would it be before it had an impact? It is a
:39:58. > :40:02.very compelling proposal, and it is something that we need, I would look
:40:03. > :40:06.to increase it is substantially, perhaps up to 500 million, but I
:40:07. > :40:09.would pay for it with a levy on visas, and if we move into a work
:40:10. > :40:15.permit -based system, charging for them, so you are not dipping into
:40:16. > :40:21.the taxpayer pocket. Levy on non-EU visas was how Gordon Brown financed
:40:22. > :40:26.the one in 2008, and the revenue it produced, quite a big levy, but it
:40:27. > :40:31.produced only peanuts. 30, 40 million. And they only spent 23
:40:32. > :40:35.billion thousand eight ninths, if you put a levy on European Union
:40:36. > :40:41.visas... What are they going to do? I think that is going to be up to
:40:42. > :40:54.the negotiations. -- then he spent 23 billion, in 2008 /9. It is in
:40:55. > :40:57.fierce challenge of revenue. The levy still exists, we just don't
:40:58. > :41:03.want to fund it. Levy got scrapped by the Tories. That is able to
:41:04. > :41:06.economy. It is about rather than integration, but the integration
:41:07. > :41:11.fund will work well where there is a large number of immigrants, but many
:41:12. > :41:15.places, for example, working class heartlands, it is not the numbers
:41:16. > :41:19.that is the problem, it is the sense of a lack of control. Andy Burnham
:41:20. > :41:22.says that he doesn't want to be considered again as Shadow Home
:41:23. > :41:29.Secretary because he is off to run for mayor of Manchester. A vacancy
:41:30. > :41:34.there. Do you fancy that? My phone has not yet rung! It has only just
:41:35. > :41:38.announced it. What I really hope is that Jeremy will move towards
:41:39. > :41:42.Parliamentary Labour Party election for Shadow Cabinet positions. I
:41:43. > :41:47.think if that happens, then I think it will make the bridge back to
:41:48. > :41:55.cohesive and united party far easier to cross. I can see that it is not a
:41:56. > :41:58.note. My phone has not yet rung. I am so honoured and privileged to be
:41:59. > :42:01.serving my constituents, the steel crisis is still taking up a huge
:42:02. > :42:07.amount of my time. I understand. There is plenty to be getting on
:42:08. > :42:11.with. I thought that you were going to say you honoured and privileged
:42:12. > :42:19.to be on the Daily Politics! Indeed! I doff my cap! LAUGHTER
:42:20. > :42:21.Now, does the acronym MSM mean anything to you?
:42:22. > :42:23.I'll give you a clue, according to those who use
:42:24. > :42:26.the term we are part of it, as are most of the journalists
:42:27. > :42:30."MSM" stands for Mainstream Media and some on the Left say
:42:31. > :42:33.they are to blame for the difficulty the left have in getting
:42:34. > :42:38.So Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters have been trying to bypass
:42:39. > :42:45.like in this YouTube film about Jeremy Corbyn
:42:46. > :43:06.Get a good quality apprenticeship, but I require a society which gives
:43:07. > :43:11.every young person an opportunity to get an apprenticeship or go to
:43:12. > :43:15.university, so that the opportunity is there, and not be saddled with
:43:16. > :43:20.debt at the end of it. We have turned education into a commodity
:43:21. > :43:23.for under fives and over 18s, 30 years of being told that neoliberal
:43:24. > :43:29.economics is the answer to everything. No, it is up at the
:43:30. > :43:32.answer to everything. It is an hour-long film, available on
:43:33. > :43:35.YouTube, Jeremy Corbyn speaking with these people.
:43:36. > :43:41.I've been joined by the director of the centrist Labour group
:43:42. > :43:47.and by Momentum activist Bhaskar Sunkara,
:43:48. > :43:50.which offers "socialist perspectives on politics,
:43:51. > :44:01.Quite a mouthful, is it an online magazine? No, we are in print. We
:44:02. > :44:07.have 20,000 subscribers. Is it the mainstream media that is not giving
:44:08. > :44:12.Jeremy Corbyn a fair crack of the whip, or is it laid the's constant
:44:13. > :44:16.divisions and arguments that are undermining it? It could be both! If
:44:17. > :44:19.you are under constant attack from your own party, it is very difficult
:44:20. > :44:23.to actually develop the message discipline, to figure out what
:44:24. > :44:28.points you should be consistently hammering across the mainstream
:44:29. > :44:32.media. At the same time, the media can also create a hostile
:44:33. > :44:35.environment for pushing forward ideas to begin with, that does not
:44:36. > :44:38.mean that certain ideas cannot get across, that does not mean that the
:44:39. > :44:43.left should avoid that a reign of the mainstream media. You still
:44:44. > :44:46.think you should engage? I consider myself a member of the
:44:47. > :44:53.pre-mainstream media, that is the entire point of why I do politics
:44:54. > :44:56.and... What does that mean? I hope to one day be a member of the
:44:57. > :44:59.mainstream media with my publication, I hope my ideas become
:45:00. > :45:03.the mainstream. Not that I would just be sitting at home doing this.
:45:04. > :45:08.Does the mainstream media treat Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party badly?
:45:09. > :45:12.I don't think that it does, it does its job, shining highlight what is
:45:13. > :45:16.happening inside a very powerful organisation that we are all hoping,
:45:17. > :45:21.and the country expects, to be the opposition and the alternative
:45:22. > :45:25.government. It deserves a lot of scrutiny, and when there are
:45:26. > :45:28.semi-mistakes coming directly from the office of the leader, it is not
:45:29. > :45:32.surprisingly there is key insights, and that makes news in the country,
:45:33. > :45:39.and then, actively divisive things are done by the leadership which
:45:40. > :45:43.they know MPs are going to dissent on, and dissent is interesting to
:45:44. > :45:49.the public. And covered by the media. The Labour Party is a party
:45:50. > :45:52.in transition. I am based in the United States, I would not even
:45:53. > :45:58.define myself as an activist, I am an ally, but when you have a party
:45:59. > :46:01.in great transition, so many new members, people engaging in these
:46:02. > :46:04.debates are the first time, a lot of people are inspired by Jeremy
:46:05. > :46:08.Corbyn, for the first time, of course there will be different
:46:09. > :46:13.messages and debates. Protestation. That is politics, it is not an usual
:46:14. > :46:17.particularly. The fact the media is playing up these divisions, I think
:46:18. > :46:21.that is also potentially fair, but to me, the fact there is not a
:46:22. > :46:25.unified voice coming out of the Labour Party, that is a natural part
:46:26. > :46:31.of a party in transition. Because it is going through a certain change.
:46:32. > :46:41.The also have people getting their message in first. In the debate
:46:42. > :46:45.between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, people are not dealing with
:46:46. > :46:48.the reason why Trump did not win. It seems to me that people who know
:46:49. > :46:53.that Jeremy Corbyn's ideas will not go down well with the public get
:46:54. > :46:59.their reasons in earlier. The mainstream media, to me, are doing
:47:00. > :47:06.their job. You gave me a hard time when I was last on the programme. A
:47:07. > :47:10.Labour leader always faces the hostility of what we used to call
:47:11. > :47:15.the Tory press. Although it is not as powerful as it was, there is
:47:16. > :47:21.still an identifiable Tory press. A Labour leader like Mr Corbyn gets it
:47:22. > :47:24.in the neck even more than others, though Ed Miliband and Neil Kinnock
:47:25. > :47:30.would tell you they got it badly as well. If you say, they are behaving
:47:31. > :47:36.to tag, what about the non-Tory press part of the mainstream media?
:47:37. > :47:40.Is that treating Mr Corbyn fairly? I think it treats in normally. There
:47:41. > :47:46.were complaints about the Guardian being unfair. I think it is quite
:47:47. > :47:50.pro-Corbyn in its editorials. But the amount of mistakes they have
:47:51. > :47:55.made is newsworthy, and they come about as news. It is something you
:47:56. > :48:00.have to put up with. I think the public, crucially, see politicians
:48:01. > :48:04.who complain about the media as silly as sailors complaining about
:48:05. > :48:09.the sea. For Labour, it has always been more difficult. We know we are
:48:10. > :48:13.the change-makers and we have big ideas and it will always be harder
:48:14. > :48:18.to break the status quo. We have to accept that, otherwise it looks ugly
:48:19. > :48:22.to the public. In the United States, perhaps not planned, but it happened
:48:23. > :48:25.in reality, the mainstream media turned out to be Donald Trump's
:48:26. > :48:35.biggest ally, because they kept putting him on. Even small L liberal
:48:36. > :48:41.networks like ABC and NBC, I will put Fox in another corner. But he
:48:42. > :48:47.was good ratings, so they gave him a tonne of time on-air. And he didn't
:48:48. > :48:54.have to spend money on TV commercials. For that insurgent, the
:48:55. > :48:57.mainstream media was an ally. In a certain sense, yes. He deserved that
:48:58. > :49:03.attention because he was compelling because people were for him. I think
:49:04. > :49:06.his politics are abhorrent but he deserves that attention. Bernie
:49:07. > :49:09.Sanders and other candidates weren't getting that attention even though
:49:10. > :49:17.they had similar polling levels. There should be some criteria, and
:49:18. > :49:24.it should be rooted in how much support a politician has, how much
:49:25. > :49:29.grassroots energy they have. Should Mr Corbyn engage more with the
:49:30. > :49:33.mainstream media? I think every politician needs to engage with the
:49:34. > :49:40.mainstream media, it is important. I haven't seen Mr Corbyn shy away from
:49:41. > :49:45.interviews, from the mainstream media. I think there is a narrative
:49:46. > :49:48.that says Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters only care about social
:49:49. > :49:52.media and not the mainstream media. I think they are just trying to
:49:53. > :50:01.reach people however they can. Should he? He cancelled an event
:50:02. > :50:08.yesterday morning. The point just making is, how thankful I we have --
:50:09. > :50:12.are we that we have the BBC? They have Corbyn supporters, people who
:50:13. > :50:16.are not, and they balance things out. If we had an American-style
:50:17. > :50:21.media, like Fox News and ratings every minute of every day, and shot
:50:22. > :50:27.politics is the only way to get on the media. It is not just the BBC,
:50:28. > :50:38.ITV is regarded as a public service broadcaster, so is Sky. And Channel
:50:39. > :50:42.4. I feel like a socialist making a Nationalist argument, but the
:50:43. > :50:46.American print media is probably less biased and more objective.
:50:47. > :50:52.There are tabloid stories that come out about Corbyn that are shocking
:50:53. > :50:57.and unsubstantiated, and that would not fly in America. Sanders did not
:50:58. > :51:02.get treatment. On the left, we had access to lots of those I've --
:51:03. > :51:03.outlets. It is nice to talk on the mainstream media about the
:51:04. > :51:07.mainstream media! He's inspired colouring books,
:51:08. > :51:10.poetry and a play, and now Jeremy Corbyn has prompted
:51:11. > :51:11.the publication of Here it is - it's The Little Red
:51:12. > :51:15.Book of Corbyn Jokes, and we'll be talking to the man
:51:16. > :51:19.behind it in just a moment. First, though, we asked Adam
:51:20. > :51:21.to test the jokes out So, I've got this book of jokes
:51:22. > :51:25.about Jeremy Corbyn. What is long and rigid and gets you
:51:26. > :51:34.up in the morning? The Morning Star
:51:35. > :51:36.newspaper's editorial. Do you not read
:51:37. > :51:41.the Morning Star? How many of the commentariat does it
:51:42. > :51:48.take to change I don't even understand
:51:49. > :51:54.your accent, but... My wife went out drinking with Fidel
:51:55. > :51:58.Castro's wife. Wow, that's the best
:51:59. > :52:09.response we've had. What starts with a screw-up,
:52:10. > :52:14.takes nine months and ends up with a load of kicking
:52:15. > :52:16.and screaming? At least you're still
:52:17. > :52:22.smiling, I suppose. What did the Irishman say
:52:23. > :52:24.when he walked into the That's entirely a matter for
:52:25. > :52:28.the Irish and needs no input from What would happen if James Bond
:52:29. > :52:37.took Viagra. What would happen if James Bond
:52:38. > :52:39.took Viagra? He would continue being
:52:40. > :52:42.a state-sponsored terrorist whose I strongly resent the
:52:43. > :52:51.implication of patriarchal behaviour contained
:52:52. > :52:52.in What's black-and-white and red
:52:53. > :53:09.all over? The Tory press after
:53:10. > :53:12.it's been nationalised. Oh, that's a good
:53:13. > :53:13.one. What did the socialist pigeons
:53:14. > :53:17.say to the neoliberal I think it's the way you tell them,
:53:18. > :53:33.Adam! I've been joined in the studio
:53:34. > :53:36.by the man who dreamt up "The Little Red Book
:53:37. > :53:38.of Corbyn Jokes", Jason Sinclair. And by the comedian Grainne Maguire,
:53:39. > :53:44.who supports Jeremy Corbyn. Welcome to both of you. You were
:53:45. > :53:47.laughing all the way through. She liked your jokes. How difficult was
:53:48. > :53:53.it to put it together, to find enough jokes to fill this book? We
:53:54. > :53:56.tend to write a joke whenever something catastrophic happens in
:53:57. > :54:02.the Labour Party, so... What are you saying? There was a lot of material.
:54:03. > :54:07.What is your all-time favourite Jeremy Corbyn Joe? Oh gosh, I don't
:54:08. > :54:14.know. A quick easy one was, why did the chicken cross the road? White?
:54:15. > :54:20.Neoliberalism. Do you find them genuinely funny, or are you laughing
:54:21. > :54:27.at us into the? Corbyn jokes give me life. I just love them so much. The
:54:28. > :54:31.letter gets accused of being sanctimonious and taking themselves
:54:32. > :54:35.too seriously, so I think it is important to poke fun is ensure that
:54:36. > :54:39.we can laugh at ourselves. Do you have one of these books? No, but
:54:40. > :54:46.fingers crossed I will get one today. What about topical jokes from
:54:47. > :54:54.the conference? Well, I'm not saying my mother-in-law hates me, but I am
:54:55. > :55:09.just saying what Seamus put on the autocue. Knock knock. Owen Smith --
:55:10. > :55:16.who's their? Owen Smith. Owen Smith who? Exactly. What is it about
:55:17. > :55:21.Jeremy Corbyn that lends himself to humour? Because he comes across as
:55:22. > :55:25.so humourless and Ernest, so it is funny to see what it could be like
:55:26. > :55:30.if he was telling a joke. How do you think Jeremy Corbyn would be if he
:55:31. > :55:34.told a joke? Would he be as good as your reporter? The bar is lower with
:55:35. > :55:41.Adam. Would you agree with that about Jeremy Corbyn? I think he
:55:42. > :55:43.comes across as so earnest and well-intentioned that he would try
:55:44. > :55:50.to be funny, but he would just end up with a lot of facts about the
:55:51. > :55:55.Irish potato famine. The Irish potato... You are a Corbyn
:55:56. > :56:00.supporter. I support Jeremy and the Labour Party in all its wonderful
:56:01. > :56:05.facets, but I do stand-up comedy, and it's important to poke fun at
:56:06. > :56:09.Jeremy. Do you poke fun? Is he a good source of material? It is funny
:56:10. > :56:13.they say he has a problem with women. He has been married three
:56:14. > :56:18.times and his ex-girlfriend is in the Shadow Cabinet. If anything, he
:56:19. > :56:22.gets on too well with women, if you ask me! You could look at it from
:56:23. > :56:26.that perspective. Did his ex-wife vote for him? I don't know if
:56:27. > :56:31.anyone's would, to be fair. I'm sub tries G voted once for him. She did
:56:32. > :56:34.an interview just before the result saying she wasn't supporting him
:56:35. > :56:48.this time. What has the response been to the book? Next... Very
:56:49. > :56:56.diplomatic. There are 12 5-star reviews and some one star reviews.
:56:57. > :57:03.What about Corbyn now, with his renewed mandate's are their jokes
:57:04. > :57:08.that you will be able to make? He is leader for the second time around.
:57:09. > :57:17.What will you do? Labour itself is like a dysfunctional, crazy family
:57:18. > :57:20.with lots of strong personalities. Whenever there is a disaster, there
:57:21. > :57:28.are people who are so happy to give an interview. Morin sadness than in
:57:29. > :57:41.anger, but where is my like? There is -- more in sadness. On Amazon, it
:57:42. > :57:46.says "This is not raisins." How do you respond to that? That's true,
:57:47. > :57:51.it's not as tasty as raisins, but it might be funny. How many jokes
:57:52. > :57:56.altogether? It is quite big writing, not many jokes on the page. Tell
:57:57. > :58:08.like there are a lot of introductory essays, parodies and pastiches, not
:58:09. > :58:13.just jokes from the twitter account. -- there are a lot of introductory
:58:14. > :58:16.essays. What were the last words of the Marxist intellectual before
:58:17. > :58:16.committing suicide? Comrades, please don't
:58:17. > :58:22.That's all for now, but i'll be back here on BBC Two
:58:23. > :58:30.in just one hour's time, with live coverage of
:58:31. > :58:33.So, grab a sandwich, make yourself a cup
:58:34. > :58:40.of tea, and see you back here at two o'clock.
:58:41. > :58:47.He will have a lot to say about various policies, and we'll be
:58:48. > :58:52.bringing it to you alive and uninterrupted from 2pm this
:58:53. > :58:53.afternoon. Grab a sandwich, get a cup of tea, and we'll see you back
:58:54. > :58:55.here.