:00:39. > :00:42.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:43. > :00:44.Theresa May is preparing for her first party conference
:00:45. > :00:47.as Prime Minister and says she's getting on with the
:00:48. > :00:51.She's sought to dampen any speculation of an early
:00:52. > :00:54.But are there any circumstances in which she might be
:00:55. > :01:00.The Chancellor announces an and to government's
:01:01. > :01:02.The Chancellor announces an end to government's
:01:03. > :01:06.So is the dream of home ownership now even further away
:01:07. > :01:12.As the Rosetta Mission comes to an end we look at the future
:01:13. > :01:17.And do Labour Party members think Jeremy Corbyn
:01:18. > :01:29.Adam takes his balls out at Labour conference.
:01:30. > :01:38.Absolutely. Definitely, 100%? 100%. Nothing will get in his way? I hope
:01:39. > :01:40.not. All that in the next hour,
:01:41. > :01:47.and with me for the whole programme today are the Times columnist
:01:48. > :01:50.Tim Montgomerie and Barbara Ntumy, an activist with Momentum,
:01:51. > :01:52.the grassroots organisation that First today, the Vice Chairman
:01:53. > :01:57.of Momentum, Jackie Walker, has said she will not resign after
:01:58. > :02:02.being accused of anti-Semitism. Ms Walker says "political
:02:03. > :02:04.differences" were underlying many She's come under fire after leaked
:02:05. > :02:12.footage emerged of an anti-Semitism training event in which she appeared
:02:13. > :02:25.to criticise Holocaust Memorial Day. I still haven't heard a definition
:02:26. > :02:31.of anti-Semitism that I can work with. In terms of Holocaust Day, I
:02:32. > :02:37.would also like to say, wouldn't it be wonderful if Holocaust Day was
:02:38. > :02:50.open to all people who experienced... It is! In practice,
:02:51. > :02:55.it's not actually circulated and advertised. It's on the website.
:02:56. > :03:02.The sound was a bit distorted, but Jackie Walker was effectively saying
:03:03. > :03:07.that she hadn't heard a definition of anti-Semitism that she could work
:03:08. > :03:12.with. Barbara Ntumy, as a member of Momentum, do you think she has to
:03:13. > :03:15.go? I think the Labour Party and Momentum will deal with her
:03:16. > :03:21.properly. I think her comments are wrong. As a student I had the
:03:22. > :03:26.opportunity in 2012 to go to Poland and visited Auschwitz. Commemorating
:03:27. > :03:30.the Holocaust is something we absolutely must do, it was a
:03:31. > :03:36.systematic attempt to get rid of a group of people, Jewish people, and
:03:37. > :03:39.that's why we commemorate it every year, it's a society we don't ever
:03:40. > :03:42.want to live in again. Those comments are not acceptable in that
:03:43. > :03:49.room or anywhere and I don't agree with her at all. You condemn her
:03:50. > :03:53.comments? 100%. She has been called upon to resign from the steering
:03:54. > :04:00.committee is being vice-chairman of Momentum. There are also calls from
:04:01. > :04:07.the general secretary of the TSSA union to quit Labour as well. I
:04:08. > :04:11.think the Labour Party should deal with that accordingly. Her comments
:04:12. > :04:18.were not right and we have a process to deal with it. Labour Party should
:04:19. > :04:23.follow that up. In Momentum I am told that the process is going
:04:24. > :04:27.through as well. Whether or not she chooses to resign is up to her, but
:04:28. > :04:31.as a party and as Momentum, we will deal with her appropriately. I don't
:04:32. > :04:36.know what the outcome of that will be. It comes at a time when the
:04:37. > :04:42.question of anti-Semitism within Labour is rife. You have Jewish
:04:43. > :04:45.Labour MPs complaining of anti-Semitic attacks. Shami
:04:46. > :04:50.Chakrabati's report into anti-Semitism was criticised as a
:04:51. > :04:54.whitewash. Why can't the party get a grip on this? Jeremy Corbyn
:04:55. > :04:58.mentioned it twice in his speech, but there is still be sense he
:04:59. > :05:02.doesn't really understand the anger and frustration that is caused by
:05:03. > :05:06.failing to clamp down on it. I think Jeremy Corbyn has been 100% clear
:05:07. > :05:13.that anti-Semitism is not tolerated in the party. Has he been clear
:05:14. > :05:18.enough? I think he has been clear. There are individuals who are still
:05:19. > :05:21.not saying these things but are not OK. I look for the Labour Party to
:05:22. > :05:25.follow the disciplinary process and if it comes to it, they should not
:05:26. > :05:29.be members of the party any more. We need to continue to talk about these
:05:30. > :05:32.issues, they are very important and we need to continue to denounce
:05:33. > :05:37.people who make inappropriate comments like this. I think looking
:05:38. > :05:46.forward with Jeremy's new mandate, I'm looking to things we can do to
:05:47. > :05:52.set aside these fears of Jewish MPs and members. The struggle against
:05:53. > :05:57.all forms of racism that plagues so only people's lives. Tim, to bring
:05:58. > :06:01.you in on this. One of the points she made was about Holocaust
:06:02. > :06:07.Memorial Day. She didn't realise it was intended to commemorate all
:06:08. > :06:11.victims of the Nazi Holocaust and other post-World War II genocides
:06:12. > :06:16.like Rwanda and Bosnia. Is it fair to say that a lot of people don't
:06:17. > :06:22.realise that Holocaust Memorial Day goes beyond? I think it probably is.
:06:23. > :06:26.I welcome what Momentum seems to be saying in response to this. In that
:06:27. > :06:30.audio we heard, one of the most encouraging things was, as Jackie
:06:31. > :06:34.Walker made her remarks, a lot of people in the audience were speaking
:06:35. > :06:38.out audibly against her. We seem to be moving to a phase now where are
:06:39. > :06:42.within Momentum and the Labour Party, there is an awareness that
:06:43. > :06:48.there is a problem, and people are speaking out against it. I think
:06:49. > :06:52.there may be progress, even under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, that we
:06:53. > :06:55.should appreciate. More from you throughout the programme.
:06:56. > :06:56.At the Labour conference, Jeremy Corbyn confirmed
:06:57. > :06:59.that he was putting his party on an election footing,
:07:00. > :07:01.in the expectation of a possible early poll in the spring.
:07:02. > :07:03.At the Tory conference in Birmingham next week,
:07:04. > :07:05.there'll no doubt be plenty of speculation about
:07:06. > :07:08.whether the Prime Minister will do just that and call
:07:09. > :07:12.But, so far, Theresa May has ruled it out before 2020.
:07:13. > :07:22.Here she is on the Andrew Marr show earlier this month.
:07:23. > :07:30.had the referendum vote, we have a period of stability. There is a
:07:31. > :07:34.challenge ahead in making sure that we make a success out of coming out
:07:35. > :07:38.of the European Union. I think it's important we focus on that and the
:07:39. > :07:43.other reform agenda I have for the country as we go forward. And we
:07:44. > :07:47.will be continuing the manifesto on which the Conservative government
:07:48. > :07:50.was elected in 2015. I don't think there's the need for an election and
:07:51. > :07:52.I think the next election will be in 2020.
:07:53. > :07:54.Theresa May speaking to Andrew Marr earlier this month.
:07:55. > :07:57.However, senior Conservatives have suggested Mrs May should retain
:07:58. > :08:00.the option of an early election if her MPs block the return
:08:01. > :08:04.Speaking to The Times, the former Chancellor Lord Lawson
:08:05. > :08:08.said a "wholly new situation would arise" if she were unable
:08:09. > :08:11.to get her legislation through the House of Commons.
:08:12. > :08:14.To discuss this and many other issues as we head into the
:08:15. > :08:19.Tory conference is the former Business Minister Anna Soubry.
:08:20. > :08:29.Welcome to the programme. You have spoken out against Theresa May's
:08:30. > :08:34.proposals for new grammar schools. Are you pining to vote against them?
:08:35. > :08:37.I don't think we are there yet. We have the consultation out and we
:08:38. > :08:40.need to see the results of the consultation before we all jump into
:08:41. > :08:46.thinking there will be some backbench rebellion and all the rest
:08:47. > :08:55.of it. You think they might not even get to the point of getting to the
:08:56. > :08:59.vote? It is a consultation. No disrespect to you, but I think the
:09:00. > :09:03.media is scrabbling around the stories because we don't have an
:09:04. > :09:07.opposition in this country, so we have a vacuum and the media fills it
:09:08. > :09:12.with stories like this. It's a nonstory in my view. It's one of the
:09:13. > :09:16.earliest new announcements Theresa May has come forward with. She is
:09:17. > :09:21.clearly very keen to reintroduce some sort of selection throughout
:09:22. > :09:26.the school system in England. If it does come to the question of a vote,
:09:27. > :09:32.and if that vote is lost, or, for example, she loses a vote on
:09:33. > :09:37.boundary changes, could that put pressure on her to call an early
:09:38. > :09:41.general election? I think this is so hypothetical. I think out here in
:09:42. > :09:46.the real world, if I may say, I don't think people are talking about
:09:47. > :09:51.these things at all. It's a bit of a media bubble, Westminster bubble
:09:52. > :09:55.thing. I just don't think there's any background to it at all. It's so
:09:56. > :09:59.hypothetical. I think Theresa May has made it very clear she doesn't
:10:00. > :10:03.intend to call a general election. Everybody tends to forget we have a
:10:04. > :10:08.fixed Parliament act, so you can't just call one, you need two thirds
:10:09. > :10:13.of MPs to agree, or have a vote of no confidence followed up by another
:10:14. > :10:18.vote. No disrespect, but this is completely hypothetical media bubble
:10:19. > :10:21.stuff. You're saying it's hypothetical to talk about the
:10:22. > :10:25.possibility of an early general election, but the issue of grammar
:10:26. > :10:29.schools is not hypothetical. Turning to Tim Montgomery, do you agree that
:10:30. > :10:33.if she is struggling to get her legislation through on grammar
:10:34. > :10:36.schools, if it gets to the Commons, despite Anna Soubry doubting that,
:10:37. > :10:42.do you think she should call eight election? Yes I do. I'm hoping what
:10:43. > :10:47.we will get in Birmingham this week from the Conservatives is an agenda,
:10:48. > :10:51.a response to the Brexit vote. Anna Soubry and I were on different sides
:10:52. > :10:55.of the Brexit debate but we both agree with what Theresa May said on
:10:56. > :10:59.the steps of Downing Street, people voted for change in social policy. A
:11:00. > :11:04.lot of people out there are hurting. I hope we will get a radical agenda
:11:05. > :11:08.this week on housing, for example. Other things the Conservative Party
:11:09. > :11:15.have perhaps neglected for a while. If we start to see the House of
:11:16. > :11:18.Lords or backbench Tory MPs or the Labour opposition frustrate Theresa
:11:19. > :11:21.May's agenda on those things, I think she has to reserve the right
:11:22. > :11:27.to say, I'd need these things to be done and I will go to the country
:11:28. > :11:33.for a mandate. It might not be her intention, her primary plan, but she
:11:34. > :11:37.needs to retain the option and she will get the mandate from the
:11:38. > :11:42.British people. Anna Soubry's point about the fixed term Parliament act,
:11:43. > :11:45.it's not easy to call an election. It's not easy but Jeremy Corbyn and
:11:46. > :11:48.Tim Farron have made it clear they would not stand in a way of the
:11:49. > :11:53.Prime Minister wanting a general election and they don't want to look
:11:54. > :11:56.scared of that election. Yes, there are technical difficulties as Anna
:11:57. > :12:02.Soubry has said, but I think they are easily overcome. Can I just say
:12:03. > :12:06.that Jeremy Corbyn really would be a turkey voting for Christmas if he
:12:07. > :12:10.possibly thought it was in his or his party's interest to go to the
:12:11. > :12:14.electorate. The only person who apparently once that on the Labour
:12:15. > :12:20.site is Peter Mandelson, who knows they would get hammered and then
:12:21. > :12:24.they can sort out the Labour Party. Wouldn't be advantageous for the
:12:25. > :12:27.Conservatives then? Good Theresa May be thinking, this is my moment, I
:12:28. > :12:31.could go when Labour is at its weakest. No because Ted makes a
:12:32. > :12:38.really good point, because now she has spoken on the steps of Downing
:12:39. > :12:41.Street talking about what she wants to deliver, a better society for
:12:42. > :12:45.everybody. -- because Tim makes a really good point. That's absolutely
:12:46. > :12:49.right, that everything we do in government is for the good of
:12:50. > :12:52.everybody. We have to get on with that, just as we have to get on and
:12:53. > :13:00.sort out this wretched Brexit business. We still don't know what
:13:01. > :13:03.leave means three months on. Ken Clarke, your colleague, said this
:13:04. > :13:08.week that nobody in the government has the first idea of what they will
:13:09. > :13:14.do next on the Brexit front. Do you share his assessment? I share his
:13:15. > :13:19.concern. Three months on, as I say, we still don't know what leave looks
:13:20. > :13:24.like. Some of the senior people of the Leave campaign sit at the
:13:25. > :13:31.highest level of government, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Andrea
:13:32. > :13:35.Leadsom, Liam Fox, and they have to say what Brexit means, what leave
:13:36. > :13:37.looks like. They need a plan and need to know what the guiding
:13:38. > :13:46.principles are. Theresa May will need to know what that is, she's the
:13:47. > :13:50.Prime Minister, and it's not for her to rely on Boris, Liam Fox and David
:13:51. > :13:55.Davis, she has to come forward and say what the guiding principles and
:13:56. > :13:57.plan is. She doesn't want to give away the detail of negotiation, but
:13:58. > :14:03.we need to know what Brexit will look like and we still don't. Does
:14:04. > :14:06.Tim have any inside knowledge? Liam Fox gave a big hint yesterday that
:14:07. > :14:11.he certainly wants us out of the single market. Is there enough
:14:12. > :14:17.knowledge going around? I think the government made it absolutely clear
:14:18. > :14:21.that the ending of the Freeman Tov movement -- the freedom of movement
:14:22. > :14:26.is the number-1 point. Immigration was at the heart of the reason why
:14:27. > :14:29.British people voted to leave the European Union. A lot of people at
:14:30. > :14:32.the top of government, not least Philip Hammond and George Osborne in
:14:33. > :14:37.a speech in Chicago made it clear last week that he would like
:14:38. > :14:42.continued membership in some form of the single market. I think that's
:14:43. > :14:45.where the ambiguity still lies. The freedom of movement has to end, and
:14:46. > :14:51.that will be key to Brexit, but how much access membership we get to the
:14:52. > :14:55.single market, that's the controversial area to still be
:14:56. > :14:59.decided. I don't think it's wrong to expect the government to take time
:15:00. > :15:02.to establish what our European counterparts think in this before
:15:03. > :15:06.rushing to a decision. Three months isn't actually that long in such a
:15:07. > :15:12.big decision. It might be in next few days in Birmingham we will get
:15:13. > :15:16.more clarity. Anna Soubry, you spoke out about Britain remaining in the
:15:17. > :15:20.single market after the Brexit vote but we had EU leaders telling us
:15:21. > :15:25.that it means accepting freedom of movement. Tim is saying the British
:15:26. > :15:28.people voted to end freedom of movement, immigration being one of
:15:29. > :15:33.the big issues, so how do you reconcile those two? He's right that
:15:34. > :15:37.immigration was a big issue for some people. You can't say that everybody
:15:38. > :15:42.who voted to leave did so on the grounds of immigration, you can't
:15:43. > :15:45.say that. But it was a big issue. I thought people were saying they
:15:46. > :15:49.wanted control over immigration. And in fact some people were voting for
:15:50. > :15:54.leave because they wanted to see more migrants coming into work here
:15:55. > :15:59.from different parts of the world, non-EU countries, so it's a real
:16:00. > :16:04.mishmash. It was absolutely clear that people wanted control of the
:16:05. > :16:09.Borders. Every opinion poll conducted shows much higher
:16:10. > :16:14.percentage than 52% want control of immigration. Does that mean more or
:16:15. > :16:18.less immigration? Less immigration. I think you are in denial if you try
:16:19. > :16:24.to pretend that's what the British people voted for. I also think we've
:16:25. > :16:27.never had a proper debate about immigration. Nobody has properly
:16:28. > :16:33.made the positive case for immigration. Yesterday in the real
:16:34. > :16:39.world I was talking to a business in my constituency, which employs a
:16:40. > :16:41.high number of EU workers, and genuinely is now having serious
:16:42. > :16:47.problems with recruitment and retention. EU workers who come here
:16:48. > :16:53.to work, who do jobs that it is born people will not or cannot do, and
:16:54. > :16:56.they are finding themselves now in serious trouble and they need to
:16:57. > :17:00.know from this government what sort of security they can offer EU
:17:01. > :17:03.workers, they rely on them to conduct their business and without
:17:04. > :17:04.them they will not bid to do the great business they do. That's life
:17:05. > :17:15.in the real world. Are you saying it was a big failure
:17:16. > :17:21.on the part of the Remain campaigners not to spell out the
:17:22. > :17:26.positives of immigration? Yes, absolutely right. People have not
:17:27. > :17:30.made the case positively for white immigration, migration of workers
:17:31. > :17:34.coming into our country has positively benefited our country for
:17:35. > :17:38.centuries and the realities of it. There are many parts of our country
:17:39. > :17:43.now which have full employment levels and their businesses which
:17:44. > :17:47.cannot survive without that free movement of labour. I am sorry, but
:17:48. > :17:50.people have got to get real about what is happening in the real world
:17:51. > :17:55.and what is going on out there, and the real problem is that British
:17:56. > :17:59.business face. Freedom of movement will be one of the crux issues to be
:18:00. > :18:04.discussed in the future negotiations. Tim Montgomerie, you
:18:05. > :18:08.recently suggested on Twitter that Theresa May may be bad at the crunch
:18:09. > :18:14.moment decisions. What do you mean by that and do you stand by that
:18:15. > :18:17.now? A year ago she gave a big bold speech on immigration when she was
:18:18. > :18:23.still Home Secretary at the party conference. Many of us assumed if
:18:24. > :18:26.she was serious about that speech and controlling immigration she
:18:27. > :18:32.would back Brexit but she did not. Was cheap lily lifted then as there
:18:33. > :18:42.were reports that she did not -- was she lily livered then? She made
:18:43. > :18:44.Jeremy Corbyn like an enthusiastic campaigners for remaining in the
:18:45. > :18:48.European Union. And there were a few decisions like Hinkley Point in the
:18:49. > :18:54.summer where she marches troops to the top of the hill, only to march
:18:55. > :18:59.them down again. We need boldness over the next few months. And yet
:19:00. > :19:03.you left the Conservative Party under David Cameron. You have
:19:04. > :19:09.rejoined under Theresa May. Are you saying you trust her to deliver it
:19:10. > :19:13.Brexit in the way you want? What I think is interesting is how Tory
:19:14. > :19:21.MPs, Anna Soubry is a very principled exception to this, but
:19:22. > :19:26.how most Tory MPs who backed Remain, have considered the commitment to
:19:27. > :19:30.Brexit. Anna Soubry is clearly reluctant about accepting it. When
:19:31. > :19:34.do you think the government should get on with triggering article 50?
:19:35. > :19:38.Bob Crow can I make this clear? I accept the verdict of the British
:19:39. > :19:50.people. We said if you vote out, we will get out? ... When should
:19:51. > :19:56.Article 50 B triggered? We need to know what the principles are. We
:19:57. > :20:00.need to know what the planners. Obviously, we have to move towards
:20:01. > :20:03.that. My concern at the moment is from government, all we are hearing
:20:04. > :20:09.from its people like Liam Fox who are talking in a way which at times
:20:10. > :20:13.concerns me that he's almost delusional. Just picking up what
:20:14. > :20:17.Anna said, you cannot say you accept the result and then say freedom of
:20:18. > :20:22.movement some have asked to continue and we will remain a member of the
:20:23. > :20:28.single market. That does not add up as an honest acceptance of how
:20:29. > :20:32.people voted. And the timing for the triggering of article 50. Because
:20:33. > :20:37.the French and German elections next year, nothing much will happen until
:20:38. > :20:40.they have chosen their new leader. If we trigger early next year, we
:20:41. > :20:47.will have six months where Germany and France are not engaged and it
:20:48. > :20:51.will be six wasted months. He is right, we agree on that! Thank you.
:20:52. > :20:55.Former Liberal Democrat MP John Hemming, known for his tireless
:20:56. > :20:57.campaigning, has been locked in a long running battle
:20:58. > :20:59.with Birmingham council over garden waste collection.
:21:00. > :21:02.He hasn't been very successful so far, but not one to give up,
:21:03. > :21:04.he's taken the case to a higher authority.
:21:05. > :21:07.So our question for today is, where's he taken it?
:21:08. > :21:19.At the end of the show Tim and Barbara will give us
:21:20. > :21:24.Today, the Government has announced the early closure of one
:21:25. > :21:27.of George Osborne's flagship schemes to get people onto
:21:28. > :21:42.The Help to Buy scheme for England and Wales is being brought to a
:21:43. > :21:46.close six month early. The government says it has achieved its
:21:47. > :21:51.goal but it is also being seen as another break from the Cameron era.
:21:52. > :21:54.Chancellor Philip Hammond has said he will close the Help to Buy scheme
:21:55. > :21:56.which offered state-backed mortgages to those who could only afford
:21:57. > :22:00.The scheme helped 185,000 people but has been criticised for pushing
:22:01. > :22:02.up house prices while doing nothing to address the underlying shortage
:22:03. > :22:07.Latest figures from the government's House Price Index show the average
:22:08. > :22:18.a full ?63,000 more than a decade ago.
:22:19. > :22:20.Meanwhile, London mayor Sadiq Khan has ordered an inquiry
:22:21. > :22:22.into the scale and impact of foreign investment
:22:23. > :22:29.He has called for more transparency, warning that a flood of "dirty
:22:30. > :22:32.money" from abroad is causing "real concerns" for people struggling
:22:33. > :22:39.A survey by the Institute for Fiscal Studies today shows that
:22:40. > :22:43.people born in the early 1980s are only half as wealthy as those
:22:44. > :22:48.born the decade before were at the same age.
:22:49. > :22:53.Just 40% of those born in the 1980s are owner-occupiers at the age
:22:54. > :23:04.of 30, compared with at least 55% in previous generations.
:23:05. > :23:07.We're joined now by the head of policy at housing charity
:23:08. > :23:18.Welcome to the programme. Shelter gave plans for Help to Buy a
:23:19. > :23:22.cautious welcome when they were announced in 2013. Do you support
:23:23. > :23:26.its scrappage today? I think many people will not notice that it has
:23:27. > :23:33.gone. When it was first launched it was plugging a gap in the market
:23:34. > :23:36.where those very low deposit loans that a lot of people used in the
:23:37. > :23:40.2000s and the 90s to buy had dried up in the wake of the recession and
:23:41. > :23:44.this scheme was trying to replicate those. The market is sort of
:23:45. > :23:46.providing those again but also people are realising with house
:23:47. > :23:51.prices where they are and incomes where they are, it is not so much
:23:52. > :23:59.the deposit which is the issue any more, it is the whole affordability
:24:00. > :24:03.picture. It delivered double the number of houses it was supposed to
:24:04. > :24:08.select was working for a lot of people? It was working for a time
:24:09. > :24:12.but if you look at numbers it has dwindled. We are not concerned about
:24:13. > :24:17.the fact it will be withdrawn. What we are concerned about is the piece
:24:18. > :24:21.of the puzzle which was always missing, the emphasis on building
:24:22. > :24:24.genuinely affordable homes, still is not on the table. We will be looking
:24:25. > :24:35.at the prime list next week to really set out our plans for what
:24:36. > :24:37.she will do for on low and middle incomes, as well as the more
:24:38. > :24:40.affluent people who took advantage of Help to Buy. The Conservatives
:24:41. > :24:46.have pledged to build 1 million homes as has Jeremy Corbyn, he has
:24:47. > :24:52.said 500,000 of them will be council homes. The question is affordability
:24:53. > :24:57.and house prices being pushed up beyond the realms of affordability?
:24:58. > :25:00.People have got cynical about the big numbers being announced. The
:25:01. > :25:05.fact is, people see homes going up in their area, and they know if they
:25:06. > :25:10.are on an ordinary age, they do not have a hope of buying it if it is a
:25:11. > :25:13.full market sale. That is why the mayor's announcement is interesting.
:25:14. > :25:19.People have got cynical about the fact they cannot afford anything.
:25:20. > :25:22.That is why, when the Prime Minister puts more flesh on the plans to
:25:23. > :25:28.build a million homes, you need to see more diversity of what is being
:25:29. > :25:35.built. Genuinely low rent homes and products like shared ownership. It
:25:36. > :25:40.cannot just be market homes. Is Sadiq Khan write about what he says
:25:41. > :25:44.about dirty money about foreign ownership in London? There is a lot
:25:45. > :25:51.going on in London and no one has a handle on it. I don't think of many
:25:52. > :25:56.homes are being left empty as other people suspect but it is not helping
:25:57. > :25:59.people who live and work in London finding a home when you have foreign
:26:00. > :26:03.money propping up what is potentially an unsustainable bubble
:26:04. > :26:07.and building these very, very expensive luxury apartments.
:26:08. > :26:13.Barbara, do you think the Help to Buy scheme in essence was a good
:26:14. > :26:17.scheme? I think it was questionable at first because it did not fulfil
:26:18. > :26:22.the needs that people had witches there were not enough houses being
:26:23. > :26:26.built which people could afford. I think the Conservatives have tried
:26:27. > :26:29.something, it has not quite worked, people have criticised it and
:26:30. > :26:37.instead of fixing it, they have completely taken it away. It was due
:26:38. > :26:40.to come to an end next year. That is what upsets me, there is no growing
:26:41. > :26:46.in that and it is not solving the reality of people's problems in
:26:47. > :26:50.Babel -- being able to afford housing and wages being low. We do
:26:51. > :26:54.not know what they will replace it with. They have committed to holding
:26:55. > :27:02.houses but we will have to wait and see because the Conservatives say
:27:03. > :27:06.one thing and deliver another. Was this a successful scheme or a naive
:27:07. > :27:11.move which boosted the housing bubble? It was good politics. It
:27:12. > :27:15.sent a message to people who wanted to buy a home but could not afford
:27:16. > :27:19.it that the government was helping them, but the problem we have is and
:27:20. > :27:23.I completely agree with Shelter and I think with the Labour Party, that
:27:24. > :27:26.we are not building enough affordable housing. Successive
:27:27. > :27:33.governments have said we need to build more housing but they have not
:27:34. > :27:37.got a grip. Why? I think in the 1980s there was an economic crisis
:27:38. > :27:42.and Mrs Thatcher's I was on the bigger economic problems. And we
:27:43. > :27:45.lost a tradition in the Conservative Party. Harold Macmillan and other
:27:46. > :27:49.leaders were happy to use statement need to build houses and I think we
:27:50. > :27:55.need to recover that tradition. At the moment we are spending ?10
:27:56. > :27:59.billion on housing benefit, so government is involved in the
:28:00. > :28:02.housing market, that money could be spent not on benefits, but on
:28:03. > :28:08.bricks, building affordable homes for people. I think it is probably a
:28:09. > :28:13.forlorn hope but I do hope that we will see a real shift in
:28:14. > :28:16.Conservative policy, not away from the greatest traditions of
:28:17. > :28:22.conservatism post-war, just the way from where we got to in the 1980s
:28:23. > :28:27.and 1990s. Kate Webb, if you are housing minister, and I bet you
:28:28. > :28:32.would love to be, what would your top policies be, what would the
:28:33. > :28:35.priority be? I think the priority is about building the genuinely
:28:36. > :28:40.affordable homes. We do have a great tradition in this country of
:28:41. > :28:46.building homes for people on low and middle incomes. Is at home ownership
:28:47. > :28:50.or social housing and council housing, different schemes? It is
:28:51. > :28:55.about getting away with that obsession with ten years. And if you
:28:56. > :28:58.build council housing we do have the Right to Buy, it is incredibly
:28:59. > :29:02.controversial, but it does mean if you have somebody in a council home,
:29:03. > :29:05.it can work for them when their income is low, and if they're in
:29:06. > :29:12.crime increases, they can exercise the Right to Buy so we don't have to
:29:13. > :29:16.see it as an either or. Barbara, Right to Buy has been extended from
:29:17. > :29:21.council houses into housing associations as well, what do you
:29:22. > :29:28.make of that? Again, it does not solve the problem of we do not have
:29:29. > :29:33.enough houses. But as the key issue. We need to physically build more
:29:34. > :29:37.houses for people to live in. Like myself, I recently graduated and the
:29:38. > :29:42.idea of owning a home is something I don't think I will ever be able to
:29:43. > :29:47.afford. And living in London, renting in London is also a way that
:29:48. > :29:52.young people and people generally get exploited when you have big
:29:53. > :29:57.businesses coming in and buying up all the properties. People have to
:29:58. > :30:01.move out or you have overcrowding, especially for Black communities
:30:02. > :30:05.which I am from. We are not able to afford houses and people do not want
:30:06. > :30:08.to move anyway because this is where their community is. Whether you
:30:09. > :30:14.extend it to housing associations or you have another scheme, the main
:30:15. > :30:19.issues to build houses for people. Kate Webb, do you think Jeremy
:30:20. > :30:27.Corbyn has got a grip on this, if he talks about building a million
:30:28. > :30:31.homes, and also giving councils the right to borrow against council
:30:32. > :30:37.houses, to build even more? I think the right to borrow is extremely
:30:38. > :30:40.welcome. There are families in temporary accommodation and young
:30:41. > :30:44.families who want a home of their own so we have to be letting
:30:45. > :30:49.councils build to meet their local need. We are slightly disappointed
:30:50. > :30:54.with Jeremy Corbyn for creating a political spat about is it council
:30:55. > :31:00.houses or housing associations. This is a huge challenge which it is
:31:01. > :31:02.imperative that we meet and playing politics with either the
:31:03. > :31:05.Conservative session with homeownership or Corbyn's dislike of
:31:06. > :31:10.housing associations, it is not helpful.
:31:11. > :31:17.Tim, borrowing more to build more, do you support that? I do. We still
:31:18. > :31:24.have a huge deficit that needs to get under control, but borrowing for
:31:25. > :31:27.schools and the longer term, housing and roads and railways.
:31:28. > :31:32.International borrowing rates are so low at the moment, we would be
:31:33. > :31:35.foolish not to take advantage. It's not a Conservative obsession with
:31:36. > :31:39.homeownership though, the vast majority of people want to own their
:31:40. > :31:41.own homes. So reversing that sad decline in home ownership should be
:31:42. > :31:44.a legitimate priority. Will Jeremy Corbyn be
:31:45. > :31:46.the next Prime Minister? When opinion pollsters ask that
:31:47. > :31:47.question the results don't always look great
:31:48. > :31:50.for the Labour leader. But what if you ask
:31:51. > :31:53.Labour party members? Adam Fleming did just that
:31:54. > :31:55.as he tested the mood at Labour conference earlier this
:31:56. > :31:58.week. Questions don't come
:31:59. > :32:00.bigger than this. Is Jeremy Corbyn going to be
:32:01. > :32:03.the next Prime Minister? Definitely, 100%?
:32:04. > :32:08.100%. Nothing is going to get in his way?
:32:09. > :32:11.I hope not. We now just have to get out there,
:32:12. > :32:21.feet are going to get hammered. You've got your trainers on already,
:32:22. > :32:23.I see, ready to go. That's that's how I swan about
:32:24. > :32:26.conference, in trainers, honestly. I still think he hasn't shown
:32:27. > :32:30.the leadership he needs to show. What, winning two
:32:31. > :32:31.leadership elections? No, leadership of unifying
:32:32. > :32:34.the party and leading Is that the done thing
:32:35. > :32:43.at this conference, Yes, yes.
:32:44. > :32:47.If you doubt it, yes. I'm old enough to know
:32:48. > :32:51.what I'm talking about. I think the media's undermined him
:32:52. > :32:54.too much and people have lost Well, on the Daily Politics
:32:55. > :32:58.we are scrupulously fair. I'm not saying the BBC,
:32:59. > :33:02.I'm saying the papers more. If he's not Prime Minister,
:33:03. > :33:04.how will you feel? Gutted, because it will mean we've
:33:05. > :33:08.still got the Tories. Yeah, for another five
:33:09. > :33:12.years, in four years. I know, it's not worth
:33:13. > :33:15.thinking about it. What's it going to be like -
:33:16. > :33:20.Jeremy Corbyn standing on the steps of Downing Street having just
:33:21. > :33:22.won an election? I think this is the start
:33:23. > :33:25.of an excellent new future. We have some Labour conference
:33:26. > :33:27.specials, some Jeremy Corbyn cuff links, and some
:33:28. > :33:30.Labour Party cuff links as well. Look at that, Jeremy Corbyn
:33:31. > :33:34.as Che Guevara on your wrists. How much does a Jeremy
:33:35. > :33:39.for PM badge cost? My brother is called Jeremy,
:33:40. > :33:46.he's a Tory voter, so I'm Pop a ball in, it doesn't
:33:47. > :33:55.cost 60p, it's free. You're meant to be
:33:56. > :34:05.Shadow Foreign Secretary, Peter, we're doing
:34:06. > :34:11.the Daily Politics balls, is Jeremy going to be the next
:34:12. > :34:15.Prime Minister, yes or no? You've managed to avoid
:34:16. > :34:19.the Daily Politics balls all week. Is Jeremy Corbyn going to be
:34:20. > :34:23.the next Prime Minister? How come the polls suggest that's
:34:24. > :34:30.really not going to happen? Now you're asking me tricky
:34:31. > :34:32.questions, I've done your poll. He's just going to put a ball
:34:33. > :34:35.in, that's all. Well, Tom Watson had the final ball
:34:36. > :34:39.after managing to evade us all week. He went with the majority of people
:34:40. > :34:42.at this conference saying yes, Jeremy Corbyn will be the next
:34:43. > :34:56.Prime Minister, although look Tom Watson saying of course he's
:34:57. > :35:00.going to be Prime Minister, although a lot of people at the conference
:35:01. > :35:05.thought that Tom took a slightly different approach to that. Let's
:35:06. > :35:10.move on. The mood box, there were more balls in the yes box, but there
:35:11. > :35:17.were a substantial number of noes as well. He still has a lot of people
:35:18. > :35:21.to convince. 100%. We've definitely got a very long way to go. Frankly,
:35:22. > :35:25.that's why I was a bit disappointed this summer that we went through all
:35:26. > :35:29.of this again, to be honest. I thought it would be a great
:35:30. > :35:33.opportunity for Labour activists like myself and loads of people who
:35:34. > :35:36.have joined the party and are in Momentum, going out there to
:35:37. > :35:40.convince Labour supporters and voters to vote for Jeremy and the
:35:41. > :35:43.plan he has for the country. I think we have some work to do and a lot of
:35:44. > :35:53.people to convince but I believe we can do it. A lot of Labour delegates
:35:54. > :36:00.don't think he has what it takes in a YouGov poll this month, the
:36:01. > :36:05.current Labour leader is a massive 71 points behind the Prime Minister,
:36:06. > :36:11.he's at -30 and she sat plus 41. It's a shame. Everything that we
:36:12. > :36:15.have been through this summer is reflected in the polling. It's been
:36:16. > :36:19.a horrendous summer although we've had this amazing and exciting
:36:20. > :36:23.campaign and loads of us who have joined Jeremy Corbyn are excited by
:36:24. > :36:28.it. It's not just this summer, it's an accumulation of events. It's a
:36:29. > :36:33.number of things, we haven't had unity in the party, people haven't
:36:34. > :36:36.supported the leader. Getting live resignations on television doesn't
:36:37. > :36:41.really boost and help your rating is very much. I think the key thing, as
:36:42. > :36:46.Jeremy said in his message at conference, we want unity, we want
:36:47. > :36:50.to work together. We have a lot more in common. People might disagree on
:36:51. > :36:54.how we get there but we want to get there. We want young people to have
:36:55. > :36:59.opportunities, free education for young people, we want to build more
:37:00. > :37:04.council houses. Which is all very well, but do you genuinely, in your
:37:05. > :37:07.heart, feel that your party is on election footing, that you could
:37:08. > :37:13.fight a general election next month if it were called? Not next month
:37:14. > :37:20.but give us three months! Differs the summer again! -- give us the
:37:21. > :37:24.summer again. There is a lot of work to be done internally. You have to
:37:25. > :37:31.get a Shadow Cabinet together for a start. But I think we are on a
:37:32. > :37:34.better footing than we were in the summer and before that, especially
:37:35. > :37:39.after the referendum. I think a lot of Labour MPs and supporters,
:37:40. > :37:46.however they feel, I think most people want the party to succeed.
:37:47. > :37:49.Maybe that process will start... You want your party to succeed because
:37:50. > :37:54.you believe it can do some extraordinary things in society, and
:37:55. > :37:59.that's where most people will be at. We are told there is a move towards
:38:00. > :38:04.filling those Shadow Cabinet places next week. Perhaps we will get more
:38:05. > :38:08.names and people coming forward. Tim, in terms of the membership,
:38:09. > :38:12.Labour Party membership is well over half a million and is the largest of
:38:13. > :38:17.any party in western Europe. He is clearly doing something right, isn't
:38:18. > :38:20.he? Yeah, there are a lot of left-wing people in the United
:38:21. > :38:24.Kingdom and he has successfully mobilised a good number of them to
:38:25. > :38:32.pay a membership fee for the Labour Party. You'd like those numbers in
:38:33. > :38:37.the Conservative Party? Having a healthy membership is good because
:38:38. > :38:41.you have people to knock on doors and deliver leaflets. So it doesn't
:38:42. > :38:45.look bad. But looking at the views of those members on issues like
:38:46. > :38:51.taxation, immigration, membership of the European Union and belief in
:38:52. > :38:57.conspiracy theories... Conspiracy theories? YouGov quizzed people and
:38:58. > :39:03.said, do you generally believe in conspiracy theories on things like
:39:04. > :39:10.9/11, a new Labour member is more likely to believe in a conspiracy
:39:11. > :39:14.theory. Barbara? I'm sure Barbara is honourable. All my friends don't
:39:15. > :39:17.believe in conspiracy theories. That might be true of your friends but
:39:18. > :39:23.the opinion polls do speak for themselves. They can be wrong
:39:24. > :39:27.sometimes. It's hard when you look at the positions that Labour set out
:39:28. > :39:33.this week, Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't put a limit on immigration. He wants
:39:34. > :39:40.?500 billion more of borrowing. He's still in a position where he seems
:39:41. > :39:44.to be finding excuses for terrorist organisations in history. That's not
:39:45. > :39:51.true. He doesn't sing the national anthem given me opportunity. I don't
:39:52. > :39:55.sing the national anthem. I would sing the one from Ghana, because
:39:56. > :39:58.that's where I'm from. That might be your choice, but I don't think it
:39:59. > :40:00.would help you get elected by the British people. Let's move from
:40:01. > :40:05.Ghana to Wales. Students from Wales could face
:40:06. > :40:08.university fees of up to ?9,000 after the Labour-led government
:40:09. > :40:10.signalled it would scrap its Currently Welsh students pay only
:40:11. > :40:15.?3,900 a year towards their degree with the remaining
:40:16. > :40:20.?5,100 subsidised. But a review has recommended
:40:21. > :40:22.that the Government should offer loans to pay for fees,
:40:23. > :40:24.much like the system There would also be grants
:40:25. > :40:29.for living costs which would be Joining me now from Cardiff
:40:30. > :40:47.is the President of the NUS Thank you for joining us. Are the
:40:48. > :40:52.NUS backing the plans of the Welsh government? Yes, we are back in the
:40:53. > :40:57.plans. We believe more debt for students is bad, however we also
:40:58. > :41:01.realise that in the current economic climate and the Westminster
:41:02. > :41:04.posterity climate and the potential impact of Brexit, we have to target
:41:05. > :41:07.support at students who need it the most and target that support at the
:41:08. > :41:12.cost of education. Ultimately you can't afford to go to education,
:41:13. > :41:16.then you can't afford to go to begin with. Students are telling us it's
:41:17. > :41:21.the cost of living causing a barrier between access and education.
:41:22. > :41:25.Building up a debt, borrowing against tuition fees you accept, but
:41:26. > :41:30.you are very worried about the day to day living costs that a student
:41:31. > :41:35.hast to sustain? Exactly. In Wales we have some of the poorest
:41:36. > :41:40.communities in Europe. We want to see Welsh government put emphasis on
:41:41. > :41:44.widening access. We believe it does this by targeting means tested
:41:45. > :41:49.grants for students from the most disadvantaged background and
:41:50. > :41:52.disabled students. How confident are you the Welsh government will bring
:41:53. > :41:57.in both halves of the proposal suggested? Do you trust them not to
:41:58. > :42:01.simply scrap the grant and go on to water down the commitment to support
:42:02. > :42:06.living costs? We are very confident. We have been clear all along that we
:42:07. > :42:09.would only accept diamond as a full package. Anything else would be
:42:10. > :42:13.unacceptable and wouldn't work. This will only work if the tuition fee
:42:14. > :42:22.grant goes directly to students in the form of maintenance support.
:42:23. > :42:25.Barbara Ntumy, Jeremy Corbyn wants to scrap tuition fees. He said that
:42:26. > :42:28.in conference this week, calling for free education. How does that fit
:42:29. > :42:32.with a Labour led government in Wales calling for subbing different?
:42:33. > :42:38.I'm a little bit concerned because the NUS has a policy of free
:42:39. > :42:43.education and belief in grants, not debt. We had the same situation in
:42:44. > :42:46.England, we were told it was ?9,000. Now we're seeing the teaching
:42:47. > :42:49.excellence framework looking to increase that even more and we have
:42:50. > :42:54.seen the government is completely scrap maintenance grants after they
:42:55. > :42:58.wouldn't. It's OK for the package to be accepted as it is, but who's to
:42:59. > :43:01.say that a few years down the line the government in Wales would change
:43:02. > :43:06.their mind? We need to talk about what happens when students leave
:43:07. > :43:12.university. Women and black students are likely to take longer to pay
:43:13. > :43:18.back their student loans because of the income gap. You are saying you
:43:19. > :43:23.are concerned about the organisation accepting this. What do you say to
:43:24. > :43:31.that? I think what we have to realise, again, this is the Welsh
:43:32. > :43:34.contract, we have a Labour government in Wales, and the Diamond
:43:35. > :43:37.package is trying to work out the system for the next five or ten
:43:38. > :43:40.years. If the Welsh government was to turn around in the next few years
:43:41. > :43:45.and scrap maintenance grants, of course we do we be against that. But
:43:46. > :43:54.we have faith in the Welsh government. The Welsh government
:43:55. > :43:57.have taken a stance against TEF. There are different context in
:43:58. > :44:03.England and Wales. That's why Wales is taking a stance. Tim, do you
:44:04. > :44:08.think this is politicians learning from mistakes or have students just
:44:09. > :44:14.become more apathetic perhaps or more accepting of realities? More
:44:15. > :44:20.accepting of reality, not just the NUS in Wales, but the Labour
:44:21. > :44:25.government in Wales as well. This is where do Barbara and Jeremy Corbyn
:44:26. > :44:30.are misleading the British people. All these promises of free education
:44:31. > :44:35.and free housing and free NHS, all without extra taxes. When, and if
:44:36. > :44:40.they ever, God forbid, had power, you would not be able to afford all
:44:41. > :44:44.this. Every ?1 you invest in education, the economy grows by ?1
:44:45. > :44:48.50. I reject the idea that if people want to get higher education and get
:44:49. > :44:51.a degree, after they do that they become members of society and
:44:52. > :44:58.contribute, they become people of society and contribute in many ways.
:44:59. > :45:01.The owners of getting that education should be a personal cost. There's
:45:02. > :45:06.something really wrong about that. When I get my education, I don't sit
:45:07. > :45:10.in my room and may education just benefits me, it benefits everyone in
:45:11. > :45:15.society in the contributions I make and in my work. There's something
:45:16. > :45:18.very problematic about how we talk about education in this country,
:45:19. > :45:22.that the individual should bear the cost, and that's very wrong. Jeremy
:45:23. > :45:26.Corbyn saying to raise corporation tax, or at least not drop it, in
:45:27. > :45:36.order to pay for the end of tuition fees. That will be a popular policy.
:45:37. > :45:44.Bashing business is always popular in the short run. Businesses must
:45:45. > :45:47.pay their fair share of tax. Raising corporation tax is probably one of
:45:48. > :45:51.the wrong ways of raising tax because a lot of international
:45:52. > :45:55.businesses are footloose. They can go to other places which taxed less,
:45:56. > :46:01.not least Ireland just over the water. It is a dangerous policy.
:46:02. > :46:09.There are consequences. You can hear this is a very lively debate. You
:46:10. > :46:13.have a coalition government in effect in Wales, well, at least one
:46:14. > :46:19.Liberal Democrat who is the Education Minister. They were
:46:20. > :46:23.famously derided as a party in 2010 for breaking their promises on
:46:24. > :46:27.tuition fees. You say you are confident that this particular
:46:28. > :46:32.change will go through, but do you think as a result the Lib Dems could
:46:33. > :46:37.be punished again at the polls for doing this? I think this package is
:46:38. > :46:41.one that will go to the heart of the problem that is living costs, and I
:46:42. > :46:45.think it is worth saying I fully agree with Barbara and we want to
:46:46. > :46:50.move towards a system where we have free education. But in our current
:46:51. > :46:53.climate we have a restricted Welsh budget and what the Welsh Government
:46:54. > :46:59.are doing is using this government to Leave budget to target it at the
:47:00. > :47:04.students who need it the most. That will go towards the poorest students
:47:05. > :47:08.in full grant form and we welcome, we are using the budget we have to
:47:09. > :47:16.target those who need support the most. Means testing maintenance
:47:17. > :47:22.grants paid Tony-macro takes more bureaucracy. Do you think it is a
:47:23. > :47:25.danger that it might put off some students trying to get into
:47:26. > :47:31.university because they think they have to go through that process now?
:47:32. > :47:35.I think we have to do more in schools so students are equipped to
:47:36. > :47:42.make the right judgments so they can fully understand what path they are
:47:43. > :47:46.taking and make the decision between vacation and academic pathways.
:47:47. > :47:52.Barbara, do you think Jeremy Corbyn will be having a word in the ear of
:47:53. > :47:56.the Labour government in Wales? Identity personally have aligned to
:47:57. > :48:01.Jeremy Corbyn so I don't know what he's doing! I think we have to help
:48:02. > :48:07.poorest students in our society and that includes grants. The key thing
:48:08. > :48:12.is grants not debt. It is not right to give people a grant and then
:48:13. > :48:16.clobber them with debt. Wales has some of the poorest students. We
:48:17. > :48:19.know you are likely to be paid less in the same way that black students
:48:20. > :48:25.and women are and it will take us longer to pay back our student loans
:48:26. > :48:28.than any other demographic. We want grants and not debt. Right.
:48:29. > :48:31.One of the most audacious space missions ever undertaken
:48:32. > :48:34.The Rosetta probe that has been tracking a comet
:48:35. > :48:43.for the past two years is going to deliberately crash itself into
:48:44. > :48:50.In the last half an hour it has just deliberately crashed into a ball of
:48:51. > :48:53.ice and dust. Britain has played a crucial role
:48:54. > :48:56.in the project which has been led But as Rosetta comes to an end,
:48:57. > :49:01.is now the time to launch an expanded national space
:49:02. > :49:14.programme? For the first time, the life cycle
:49:15. > :49:19.of a comet revealed, thanks to the Rosetta mission. Scientists were
:49:20. > :49:24.ecstatic two years ago when a spacecraft dropped a robot onto the
:49:25. > :49:32.comet's surface. It was not the smoothest landing. Attempts to drill
:49:33. > :49:36.below the surface failed. But... One of the UK instruments was able to
:49:37. > :49:46.sniff its different gases which came up in the dust cloud when the lander
:49:47. > :49:52.bounced onto the comet. Did it find anything from sniffing? It did. It
:49:53. > :49:59.was able to detect water and organic compounds. It was at this UK space
:50:00. > :50:03.Centre near Oxford that the sniffing instrument was put together.
:50:04. > :50:08.Recently, the UK space economy and workforce has grown and grown. By
:50:09. > :50:13.wearing this protective clothing, we can come right up to the space
:50:14. > :50:18.testing chamber, the largest in the UK, which should be operational in
:50:19. > :50:24.the New Year. It will be used to test equipment meant for space in a
:50:25. > :50:28.variety of pressures to see if it still remains accurate. Britain is a
:50:29. > :50:33.world leader in the manufacturer of small satellites and has its eye on
:50:34. > :50:39.commercial space flights. The UK is the fourth largest contributor to
:50:40. > :50:43.the Rosetta mission's creator, the European Space Agency, but MPs on
:50:44. > :50:48.the science committee want to see more of the National space
:50:49. > :50:53.programme. The government is to be clearer about where space can
:50:54. > :50:56.benefit the broad economy. We get a huge amount of data out of the
:50:57. > :51:03.investment we put into space, we don't currently make the best use of
:51:04. > :51:07.that. MPs also criticised the skills crisis facing the sector which is
:51:08. > :51:19.being addressed thanks to Britain's latest space hero. We have worked
:51:20. > :51:23.hard to inspire the next generation through Tim Peake's mission to the
:51:24. > :51:29.ISS which engaged a million schoolkids. Right now, the UK space
:51:30. > :51:33.sector is very much in its ascendancy. Post was that there is a
:51:34. > :51:43.pot of ?1 billion to invest in upcoming missions, but which ones?
:51:44. > :51:47.-- post-Rosetta. We're looking at big mission is to look at gravity
:51:48. > :51:53.building. There is a big x-ray mission. Which mission would you
:51:54. > :51:57.like to see it spend the money on? Me personally, I think the XO Mars
:51:58. > :52:04.mission is an exciting one and it is part of a programme which would lead
:52:05. > :52:08.eventually to man's flight to Mars. From curious British scientists,
:52:09. > :52:16.many missions have been conjured up, but the challenge for MPs is to
:52:17. > :52:21.nurture a home-grown programme going forward.
:52:22. > :52:30.We can talk now to our correspondent Rebecca morale. Can you hear us?
:52:31. > :52:41.There is a big delay -- Rebecca you can communicate with a
:52:42. > :52:49.spacecraft up in space but talking to me in Germany is a challenge! You
:52:50. > :53:00.have something in your hand, what an earth is that? A prop. You have
:53:01. > :53:06.always got to have a prop. It is a little model of the comet. The
:53:07. > :53:14.Rosetta has been an tremendous journey. A few minutes ago touched
:53:15. > :53:20.down on the comet's surface. The head of the comet. It has a body and
:53:21. > :53:25.a head. That is the end of the Rosetta spacecraft. It was quite
:53:26. > :53:31.controlled rather than explosive dissent. It was not designed to do
:53:32. > :53:34.this. It was designed to fly around the comet. It took ten years to
:53:35. > :53:41.reach this comet but it was never designed to cut down. The comet is
:53:42. > :53:46.currently speeding away from the sun. Rosetta is actually solar
:53:47. > :53:52.powered. The power has been fading really. They had two choices to let
:53:53. > :53:57.it fade into the oblivion of deep space but they did not want to do
:53:58. > :54:04.that. They wanted to go out in style so they sent it heading down onto
:54:05. > :54:09.the comet's surface. There are pictures of the scientists cheering
:54:10. > :54:14.as that moment happened. It is extraordinary, you go war that way
:54:15. > :54:17.and then you get crashed into the comet you have been chasing. But
:54:18. > :54:21.never mind. The essential information will be beamed back to
:54:22. > :54:26.Earth, we hope and scientists will be able to learn from what they have
:54:27. > :54:32.found. That is right. One of the reasons why they had this crash
:54:33. > :54:43.landing was to squeeze every drop of science out of this mission. All the
:54:44. > :54:46.way it was descending down, it was journey which took many hours. It
:54:47. > :54:48.was taking lots of pictures and gathering data. There has been the
:54:49. > :54:52.two years of data it has been collecting. It has taken thousands
:54:53. > :54:56.of photos over the lifetime of its mission. There was so much science.
:54:57. > :55:00.The operation phase of the mission has come to an end but the science
:55:01. > :55:06.phase will continue. The team think there will be enough to keep going
:55:07. > :55:10.for decades. There is pride in what they have done but also sadness. We
:55:11. > :55:14.have had tears this afternoon which is unusual sometimes to see from a
:55:15. > :55:16.bunch of scientists but they put so much into this mission. Rebecca,
:55:17. > :55:23.thank you. Here's Ellie with the
:55:24. > :55:34.Week in 60 Seconds. By the end of the evening I will be
:55:35. > :55:41.blamed for everything. Why not? This week saw the first US presidential
:55:42. > :55:51.debate. Conference, United, we can shape the
:55:52. > :56:04.future. Jeremy Corbyn's conference speech went down well apart from the
:56:05. > :56:09.part where he thanked Sadiq Khan. Clive Lewis 's speech had apparently
:56:10. > :56:16.been changed at the last minute to keep open the possibility of
:56:17. > :56:19.scrapping Trident. Theresa May's people hit back at
:56:20. > :56:25.claims that she was branded lily livid over proposed EU immigration
:56:26. > :56:27.controls. Actually, she supported him with the idea of an emergency
:56:28. > :56:32.brake, they said. There's just time before we go
:56:33. > :56:38.to find out the answer to our quiz. The question was, to which authority
:56:39. > :56:41.has the former Liberal Democrat MP John Hemming taken his battle
:56:42. > :56:43.with Birmingham Council over Is it: a) The European
:56:44. > :56:46.Court of Justice? Does anyone know, I wonder? Lets ask
:56:47. > :57:01.the man himself. John Hemming joins us live
:57:02. > :57:12.via webcam from Birmingham. Indeed, the wonders of technology.
:57:13. > :57:19.It is the article 's convention compliance commission ashlar
:57:20. > :57:24.committee which is part of the United Nations. Why have you gone to
:57:25. > :57:29.the United Nations? To is very important that people have access to
:57:30. > :57:33.justice, that you can challenge the local authority without facing
:57:34. > :57:38.ridiculous arguments like you should have met in person. We have had
:57:39. > :57:42.telephones for years and years and years, so it should not be necessary
:57:43. > :57:47.to meet in person to win a case. If you take my case against the
:57:48. > :57:52.council, in a practical sense, I won. I took action to get the
:57:53. > :57:56.council to clear up rubbish that it was refusing as a matter of policy
:57:57. > :57:58.to clear up. They cleared up the rubbish but the judge decided
:57:59. > :58:21.because I did not have a meeting with them at
:58:22. > :58:25.which they would have told me nothing, that I should pay their
:58:26. > :58:28.costs. In a couple of seconds, when will you find out when you have been
:58:29. > :58:30.successful? The first step is at 5:30am tonight when I will here is
:58:31. > :58:33.my case is deemed admissible. That is like the permission to appeal
:58:34. > :58:36.stage at the Court of Appeal or at any court in the UK. If I get that
:58:37. > :58:38.permission, then there will be further steps. You will be
:58:39. > :58:39.celebrating, no doubt, if you get the United Nations to rule on the
:58:40. > :58:41.fly-tipping. Thank you. The one o'clock news is starting
:58:42. > :58:46.over on BBC One now. Andrew will be in Birmingham on
:58:47. > :58:48.Sunday with the Sunday Politics live from the Conservative Party
:58:49. > :58:51.Conference and, if that's not enough, I'll be on the Westminster
:58:52. > :58:55.Hour on Radio 4 on Sunday evening.