:00:00. > :00:10.Welcome to day three of the Conservative Party conference
:00:11. > :00:13.here in Birmingham, where, as Prime Minister, Theresa May
:00:14. > :00:17.was doing the rounds of broadcasters to flesh out her particular brand
:00:18. > :00:19.of Conservatism, the pound plunged to a 31 year low
:00:20. > :01:01.Welcome to this Daily Politics Conference Special -
:01:02. > :01:04.live from the Tory party conference here in Brum.
:01:05. > :01:06.Yesterday the Chancellor tried to reassure markets that he knew
:01:07. > :01:09.what he was doing when it came to Brexit,
:01:10. > :01:11.by making clear he wasn't a hardliner on the issue.
:01:12. > :01:18.The exchange markets took fright and sterling plunged.
:01:19. > :01:20.She failed to bring down net migration as Home Secretary...
:01:21. > :01:22.Can Theresa May be any more successful at controlling
:01:23. > :01:30.The Defence Secretary says that in future our armed forces will be
:01:31. > :01:35.exempt from the jurisdiction of the European Court of
:01:36. > :01:38.Human Rights in some circumstances - will this put an end to the flurry
:01:39. > :01:45.Also this afternoon - transatlantic political allegiances.
:01:46. > :01:51.Conservatives have traditionally supported the Republicans,
:01:52. > :01:53.Labour, the Democrats - but what about in next month's
:01:54. > :01:57.We send Adam out with his balls - would they plump
:01:58. > :02:10.You know Ed wasn't their first choice for Strictly, they were going
:02:11. > :02:12.to ask Jeremy Corbyn to do it, but somebody told them he had two left
:02:13. > :02:14.feet! And there are polite
:02:15. > :02:16.chuckles in the hall, Now, the Prime Minister has said
:02:17. > :02:28.there will be "bumps in the road" as we negotiate our exit
:02:29. > :02:30.from the EU and build Chancellor Philip Hammond's went
:02:31. > :02:36.further warning of "turbulence" and a "rollercoaster" ride
:02:37. > :02:41.for the economy. The exchange markets took him
:02:42. > :02:43.at his word this morning when they opened and placed
:02:44. > :02:48.sterling on a rollercoaster, heading down to its lowest level
:02:49. > :02:51.against the dollar in 31 years. Here's what Theresa May had to say
:02:52. > :03:01.on ITV earlier today. This isn't about saying well we're
:03:02. > :03:05.coming out of the European Union, but what bits of men should do we
:03:06. > :03:09.keep? It's saying when we leave the European Union it will be that
:03:10. > :03:13.independent, sovereign country and we will be negotiating a new
:03:14. > :03:17.relationship with the European Union. It won't be plain sailing,
:03:18. > :03:21.there will be some bumps in the road as we go through this process. The
:03:22. > :03:25.economic data we've seen so far in the last few weeks has been more
:03:26. > :03:29.positive than people were expecting. It is early days but it has been
:03:30. > :03:33.more positive than people were expecting. But I recognise the
:03:34. > :03:35.concern business has, wanting to see a smooth process as we go through
:03:36. > :03:37.these negotiations. We're joined now by Kate McCann
:03:38. > :03:47.of the Telegraph and Sam Mr Hammond the new Chancellor, meant
:03:48. > :03:51.to be a reassuring figure, an accountant, safe pair of hands but
:03:52. > :03:55.the exchange markets didn't think so? I think what's been going on is
:03:56. > :03:59.the markets have been broadly doing what the rest of us are trying to
:04:00. > :04:04.do, trying to work out the nature of Brexit that we are going to have. We
:04:05. > :04:08.are in a world where we have very few hard facts. We know the timing
:04:09. > :04:11.of Article 50 but few details on the relationship Britain will have with
:04:12. > :04:17.its closest neighbours and the rest of the world going forward. What
:04:18. > :04:20.happened is the financial markets, broadly speaking, slightly out of
:04:21. > :04:23.touch with the direction of travel of this government over the last few
:04:24. > :04:29.weeks. It's been fairly clear to me we are heading to the sum had
:04:30. > :04:32.Brexit, we won't stay in the single market, we will probably come out of
:04:33. > :04:39.the customs union. There will be some kind of agreement between the
:04:40. > :04:43.UK on the European union block, to some extent. And the markets in the
:04:44. > :04:48.last 36-48 hours have woken up to that fact. Talking to traders on
:04:49. > :04:51.Friday they said around the world there was a general misconception of
:04:52. > :04:55.where we were going to end up on Brexit. I think the comments of
:04:56. > :05:02.Theresa May yesterday and on Sunday have really put that to rest. That's
:05:03. > :05:06.why we're getting such a sharp correction at this point. Can they
:05:07. > :05:09.just shrug it off? We have a floating exchange rate now, we've
:05:10. > :05:14.had one for years and years. Sterling goes up and down. Many
:05:15. > :05:17.people thought it was overvalued anyway before the referendum. Or do
:05:18. > :05:24.they start to get worried, because it will feed through into prices? It
:05:25. > :05:28.well. The people who start to get worried will be us, people who it
:05:29. > :05:32.matters to day today. It is worrying when you don't know the implications
:05:33. > :05:36.of what it means, but what it does mean is anyone going on holiday to
:05:37. > :05:40.America will be in a worse off position than they were before.
:05:41. > :05:44.Before the vote we had these warnings. Chuka Umunna today warning
:05:45. > :05:48.this means people will be worse off. They will feel their pound is worth
:05:49. > :05:53.less in their pocket. That will cause people to stop and pause and
:05:54. > :05:57.wonder if to buy or sell a house, or if to put that decision. That will
:05:58. > :06:01.have a bigger and slower impact on what we are seeing today. The FTSE
:06:02. > :06:08.100 is going through the roof at the moment, over 7000 and still rising.
:06:09. > :06:13.Most people have their pensions and FTSE 100 companies, so to some
:06:14. > :06:18.extent that is good news. But a big chunk of the FTSE are companies that
:06:19. > :06:22.operate abroad, so when sterling goes down, they often do much better
:06:23. > :06:27.because their foreign exchange then turns into sterling at a much better
:06:28. > :06:31.rate. So it doesn't tell you that much? There are a range of
:06:32. > :06:35.indicators we can look at. A lot of people think the FTSE 100 is to
:06:36. > :06:41.short term to draw big conclusions from. What indicators and my most
:06:42. > :06:44.interested in? I think in the next few months we will get more of a
:06:45. > :06:49.settled sense of which direction this country is going in. The
:06:50. > :06:53.numbers I will be looking at other ones published on November 23 by the
:06:54. > :06:57.office the budget responsibility, will set up the predicted rates for
:06:58. > :07:04.this country going forward, and critically the tax revenue the
:07:05. > :07:07.Exchequer is expected to receive every year. This is the people at
:07:08. > :07:11.home is the most important consequence of what is going on
:07:12. > :07:15.here. Talking to the ISS and people in government, there is a widespread
:07:16. > :07:21.assumption that by the time we get to 2020, you are perhaps looking at
:07:22. > :07:25.15-20 or ?25 billion less tax revenue year. That's when it starts
:07:26. > :07:30.getting tangible for people at home. Currency is one thing, but when
:07:31. > :07:35.there is less money for schools and hospitals, when departmental budgets
:07:36. > :07:37.will be hit, I think that's when people watching this programme are
:07:38. > :07:42.going to most notice the consequence of Brexit. There is another side of
:07:43. > :07:50.the argument, people who supported leaving the European Union at this
:07:51. > :07:54.conference saying traditional bodies like the Institute for Fiscal
:07:55. > :07:57.Studies are being too downbeat and not seeing the advantages that will
:07:58. > :08:01.come from being a free trading nation, but it will come down to
:08:02. > :08:07.cold hard economic reality. Other deals we can do now, will they
:08:08. > :08:12.compensate for the loss people think we will see? It is a big question
:08:13. > :08:15.and markets today seem to have taken a rather pessimistic medium-term
:08:16. > :08:21.view. Most people think forecasters get it wrong, that's a problem. OBR
:08:22. > :08:25.often gets it wrong. Yes, and we are at the start of a very slow process.
:08:26. > :08:29.We haven't triggered Article 50 yet or left the EU yet, so goodness
:08:30. > :08:35.knows what happens when we do. That's usually written into market
:08:36. > :08:39.indicators. The problem we will have as this goes on, if Theresa May's
:08:40. > :08:45.government decides to continue this kind of line of Brexit, we will know
:08:46. > :08:48.very little. Some Conservative MPs at this conference has been saying,
:08:49. > :08:55.I don't think there will be a hard Brexit. They are talking like that
:08:56. > :08:59.is a given. We shall see. Forecasts can be wrong, and so can our
:09:00. > :09:01.speculations. We will leave it there.
:09:02. > :09:06.Now, the new Home Secretary Amber Rudd has just taken
:09:07. > :09:10.-- is due on stage imbibing in shortly.
:09:11. > :09:12.And she is expected to announce new restrictions on people coming
:09:13. > :09:17.The Government is still committed to bringing net migration down
:09:18. > :09:21.But, as Ellie Price explains, the level of non-EU migration
:09:22. > :09:35.Net migration is the difference between the number of people coming
:09:36. > :09:41.into the UK and those leaving each year. Last year it was 320 7000.
:09:42. > :09:45.Around half came from the EU, the other half came from the rest of the
:09:46. > :09:48.world. They are eye watering figures when you think the Conservatives
:09:49. > :09:53.have been wanting to get the net migration figures down to 100,000
:09:54. > :09:59.since 2010. You are completely committed to the
:10:00. > :10:02.tens of thousands target? I am completely committed to reducing
:10:03. > :10:05.Icahn and tens of thousands, but it will take some time. Whether they
:10:06. > :10:09.can meet that target will depend on what type of Brexit deal is agreed
:10:10. > :10:13.on whether there are changes to freedom of movement from the EU. But
:10:14. > :10:18.don't forget the number of non-EU migrants is still 190,000. Even
:10:19. > :10:22.though the government already can and does apply immigration controls
:10:23. > :10:27.to the rest of the world. The composition of non-EU migration is
:10:28. > :10:30.very different EU migration. People from the EU are mainly coming as
:10:31. > :10:34.workers, where as the largest group of people coming from outside of the
:10:35. > :10:39.EU are actually international students. That is the largest group.
:10:40. > :10:43.Then we have people coming as workers, coming mainly in highly
:10:44. > :10:47.skilled jobs. Then we have family members, and the smallest group is
:10:48. > :10:51.asylum. Let's look at the numbers. The largest number of non-EU
:10:52. > :10:58.migrants is students, 72% of people who came to study in Britain last
:10:59. > :11:01.year came from the rest of the world. That was 111,000 people.
:11:02. > :11:03.Mostly coming from China and other Asian countries. There have been
:11:04. > :11:09.concerns that route was being exploited. The government says it
:11:10. > :11:13.closed 920 bogus colleges since 2010. That might partly explain why
:11:14. > :11:19.the visiting student numbers last year were the lowest since 2007.
:11:20. > :11:23.The second largest group of non-EU migrants as workers, usually in
:11:24. > :11:29.higher skilled roles. 71,000 people came from outside the EU to the UK
:11:30. > :11:33.last year to work. 20,000 were job-seekers and another 51,000
:11:34. > :11:39.already had a job lined up. Then you have another 47,000 who came to join
:11:40. > :11:43.or a company family members. And finally, around 44,000 claiming
:11:44. > :11:47.asylum. All of these numbers relate to non-EU immigration, before we
:11:48. > :11:53.even get to deciding how many people can come from EU countries. Brexit
:11:54. > :11:55.means UK politicians could soon have complete control over migration, but
:11:56. > :11:59.it doesn't mean the choices they face will be any easier.
:12:00. > :12:01.I'm joined now by the Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green.
:12:02. > :12:04.In a former life he was the Immigration Minister
:12:05. > :12:13.Welcome back to the programme. Do you accept if you are to get
:12:14. > :12:21.anywhere near your target for net migration into this country that you
:12:22. > :12:23.will have to cut both EU migration and non-EU migration? I think
:12:24. > :12:30.mathematically that must be the case. Last time I looked it was
:12:31. > :12:36.about... The net figures were 190,000 each. I think slightly
:12:37. > :12:41.more... 330000 and it's roughly 50-50. So both will have do come
:12:42. > :12:49.down. Yes. I think what Amber will be talking about today is measures
:12:50. > :12:53.you can take to reduce migration from outside the European Union
:12:54. > :13:00.first. Why haven't you done that? Net migration from the EU, from
:13:01. > :13:05.outside the EU is way over your overall 100,000 target. What are you
:13:06. > :13:09.doing about it? As your package just showed, I think it was some years
:13:10. > :13:12.ago I was Immigration Minister. One of the most effective measures we
:13:13. > :13:18.took was closing all the bogus colleges. That gives some context.
:13:19. > :13:23.Everyone says we want students here. Some of them, they weren't students,
:13:24. > :13:26.they were coming here to work and attending bogus colleges. I
:13:27. > :13:31.understand that but the overall figure is 3.3 times your target. If
:13:32. > :13:35.nobody came here from the EU, even if there was no migration from the
:13:36. > :13:41.EU, you would still be 90,000 above your target. Which would have been
:13:42. > :13:46.lower than what we had. Why do make promises you can't keep? It's like
:13:47. > :13:51.pushing a balloon, you push one side and the other side comes up. It is a
:13:52. > :13:55.permanent struggle to keep immigration numbers at an acceptable
:13:56. > :14:00.level. A struggle you are losing. It is a struggle you have to keep at.
:14:01. > :14:03.You have lost 330,000... Higher than the year before and that was higher
:14:04. > :14:08.than the year before and that was higher than the year before that. It
:14:09. > :14:14.came down and went up again. Went up for three years. It was going down.
:14:15. > :14:20.It came down and went up again and went up again be partly because our
:14:21. > :14:26.economy was growing much faster than the economy of many other European
:14:27. > :14:29.countries. In some ways that makes it more difficult to control
:14:30. > :14:33.immigration, but I don't think anyone's complaining about the fact
:14:34. > :14:37.we had higher growth rates than many of our comparable countries. Can you
:14:38. > :14:42.give us any idea when you might get even close to your target? It will
:14:43. > :14:49.take time. I am not the Immigration Minister any more. Beyond 2020? It
:14:50. > :14:53.will be a few years yet, yes. It depends how fast the relative
:14:54. > :14:57.economic growth is in other countries. I would love other
:14:58. > :15:01.countries in Europe to get to grips with their economy is, particularly
:15:02. > :15:07.inside the euro zone, so there growing so very many young people
:15:08. > :15:10.who come here can find jobs in their own country. Do you think when
:15:11. > :15:16.people are worried about immigration into this country, and the
:15:17. > :15:20.referendum showed there was worry about it, particularly outside the
:15:21. > :15:22.metropolitan areas. Do you think they had doctors in mind when they
:15:23. > :15:31.were worried about migration? Probably not, but you would have to
:15:32. > :15:36.ask them that, Nigel Farage was forever at the forefront of saying
:15:37. > :15:40.that we wanted few immigrants and he would never answer the question,
:15:41. > :15:46.whether he meant doctors. Why would you want to not want to in Courage
:15:47. > :15:54.medical people to come to this country? -- encourage. In an ideal
:15:55. > :15:58.world we would train more doctors ourselves because this is a good
:15:59. > :16:03.profession for people to go into and what we and other richer countries
:16:04. > :16:09.are doing around the world, we are tending to take badly needed medical
:16:10. > :16:13.professions from poorer countries. In the long term that is not a good
:16:14. > :16:16.thing to do, that is not sustainable for them, but we are doing that
:16:17. > :16:20.because we need to fill gaps because at the moment we are not training
:16:21. > :16:27.enough doctors, so we should train more doctors. You have put the
:16:28. > :16:31.doctors and other medical people working here already, you have put
:16:32. > :16:38.them on deportation notice. No, we haven't. Really? The Prime Minister
:16:39. > :16:41.was asked this morning if foreign doctors would be allowed to stay and
:16:42. > :16:47.she said, until further numbers of home-grown doctors are trained. When
:16:48. > :16:52.we train our doctors they will want to find jobs. But what happens to
:16:53. > :17:00.the others? That is a Duport Asian notice warning to doctors already
:17:01. > :17:05.here. -- deportation. Would you like to say to anyone who has come to
:17:06. > :17:12.this country to work in the NHS, are they welcome to stay? They well,
:17:13. > :17:19.while they are doing a job and they will be necessary for that time --
:17:20. > :17:24.they are well, for the wild way are doing a job. -- play a welcome.
:17:25. > :17:31.So they don't have to go? What I will say again, it she said, doctors
:17:32. > :17:37.will be allowed to stay until further numbers of home-grown
:17:38. > :17:42.doctors are trained. Not talking about new foreign doctors coming in,
:17:43. > :17:46.talking about those already here. You have clarified they won't have
:17:47. > :17:50.to leave, correct? If we are training up more doctors, those
:17:51. > :17:54.doctors will be available to apply for jobs in the future, many years
:17:55. > :17:58.in the future, it takes many years to train a doctor, but they will
:17:59. > :18:04.then presumably be competing for jobs with foreign doctors who are
:18:05. > :18:09.not yet here. For a country with a national health 's is and with an
:18:10. > :18:13.international reputation with health -- National Health Service. With
:18:14. > :18:19.world beating hospitals and breakthroughs in medical techniques,
:18:20. > :18:23.don't you want an international market in medical expertise? Don't
:18:24. > :18:28.you want the best and the brightest to come to this country? Yes, of all
:18:29. > :18:34.people to come to this country, the best and brightest, when I was
:18:35. > :18:39.Immigration Minister I said we don't just want our fair share, we want
:18:40. > :18:42.more than our fair share and we think this is a very attractive
:18:43. > :18:46.country to come to. You have said you would like more of the best and
:18:47. > :18:51.brightest to come, Boris Johnson has said he would like more Australians
:18:52. > :18:55.to come, Philip Hammond says he thinks the City should be exempt
:18:56. > :18:59.from any kind of immigration controls, and Sajid Javid says we
:19:00. > :19:04.need more foreign builders. If all these are the people are coming into
:19:05. > :19:09.the country, who is not coming in? These are people who are already
:19:10. > :19:12.coming in. Mr Johnson says he would like more Australians, Sajid Javid
:19:13. > :19:17.said we need more foreign builders. One of your other colleague said we
:19:18. > :19:21.need more farm workers. If we need all these extra people to come into
:19:22. > :19:29.the country, who are you not going to let in? How are you going to get
:19:30. > :19:33.the numbers down? The basis of any sensible immigration policy and this
:19:34. > :19:36.is what we seek to do, is to bring people in who are highly skilled and
:19:37. > :19:43.world-class or filling gaps in the Labour market. One of the tasks of
:19:44. > :19:49.other ministers including myself, is to make more highly skilled our own
:19:50. > :19:51.workforce so that British workers are trained to do jobs that would
:19:52. > :19:56.otherwise have to be done by workers from overseas. That is a permanent
:19:57. > :20:01.struggle, not something you ever get to the end of, but absolutely, that
:20:02. > :20:04.is a task for any British government to make sure our skills are better
:20:05. > :20:11.and we have people who can do those jobs. The basis of your immigration
:20:12. > :20:19.system is not allowing people to come in with skills that we need,
:20:20. > :20:29.but the basis is to get net migration down. Most people, even
:20:30. > :20:32.though most worried about immigration, they say they want
:20:33. > :20:38.doctors and skilled people, they want the best people in the world
:20:39. > :20:42.here. What you said in the referendum campaign, that was very
:20:43. > :20:45.much the thought that we are bringing into many relatively low
:20:46. > :20:49.skilled workers and the question is, can't we find British workers to do
:20:50. > :21:00.those jobs which are not that is a legitimate question. -- to do those
:21:01. > :21:03.jobs? Of course. How much for -- further does sterling have to fall
:21:04. > :21:09.before you get worried? I have seen this happen, working in finance, and
:21:10. > :21:15.anyone who worries over a few days in the market, but would find
:21:16. > :21:22.themselves bouncing around every day. It is a trend. You will know
:21:23. > :21:35.the trend has been down for 100 days. It is now down about 13.5%
:21:36. > :21:44.since the 23rd of June. $1.28. How low does it go before you get
:21:45. > :21:51.worried? You make long-term policy not on the basis of international
:21:52. > :21:58.currency rates, but what you do, it seems to me the Prime Minister
:21:59. > :22:03.giving a date for when we invoke Article 50, that actually promotes
:22:04. > :22:08.stability. How did that work in the exchange markets this morning? The
:22:09. > :22:13.Prime Minister gave a sedate over the weekend and then the pound
:22:14. > :22:20.plunges as soon as the markets open -- gave a date. That is a classic
:22:21. > :22:28.market reaction. Unless wondering where the stability comes in. The
:22:29. > :22:33.longer you leave it uncertain, for markets and investment, long-term
:22:34. > :22:37.investment, it is worse, and I think proceeding at a sensible pace with
:22:38. > :22:42.the Brexit negotiations, and we are now single the timetable is, that is
:22:43. > :22:44.the most sensible way to do it. It will be an uncertain period, they
:22:45. > :22:49.will be bumps in the road, and knowing how long that road is seems
:22:50. > :22:56.to be promoting stability. Damian Green, thanks for joining us.
:22:57. > :22:58.Conservatives have traditionally supported US republicans -
:22:59. > :23:07.But what about in next month's presidential election?
:23:08. > :23:10.It is rather different from most elections in America.
:23:11. > :23:13.Adam wheeled out his mood box amongst conference goers - would
:23:14. > :23:21.Most people here don't have a vote in the American presidential
:23:22. > :23:29.election but we're not letting that stop us, who do people prefer?
:23:30. > :23:34.Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton? This is going to be awesome, so
:23:35. > :23:40.awesome. Clinton, she is the lesser of two evils. Ringing endorsement
:23:41. > :23:46.exclaim Aqua grab a ball and put that in the Clinton box. It would be
:23:47. > :23:55.great to have a female president. Go for it, then. I'm going to go for
:23:56. > :24:00.Trump because I hate every Clinton. She is alive and she will say
:24:01. > :24:07.anything for a of votes and I think Trump has a bit more credibility and
:24:08. > :24:11.I would go for him. It is a kick in the face or a kick in the crotch,
:24:12. > :24:16.and Clinton would probably kick me in the crotch full stop I don't know
:24:17. > :24:24.what I would go for. Thank you very much. I share the same hairdresser
:24:25. > :24:30.as Donald Trump, I've got to grab one of these. You wearing better.
:24:31. > :24:35.Mine is just as false. It is going to be fantastic. I'm not sure
:24:36. > :24:41.Clinton will do the best for America. It is like the Iran-Iraq
:24:42. > :24:46.war come I want them both to lose, but I think if I was an American
:24:47. > :24:52.citizen I'm afraid it would have to be, for world peace, the safer
:24:53. > :24:59.world. I think Donald Trump will win. Unfortunately. This rolling
:25:00. > :25:11.ball is for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. Trump or
:25:12. > :25:19.Clinton? Trump, I think of are just so I can see the President of North
:25:20. > :25:26.Korea's face when I -- someone whispers in his ear that Donald
:25:27. > :25:32.Trump is the American president. -- I think just so I can see the
:25:33. > :25:38.president of North Korea. Jim Davidson, News at ten, Conservative
:25:39. > :25:48.conference. Who are you going to be announcing as the winner? Trump. I
:25:49. > :25:51.don't want a madman and an idiot running the United States of
:25:52. > :25:59.America. Who would you give this ball to? I give this to the
:26:00. > :26:07.Republican candidate, Donald Trump. I won't vote for a very left-wing
:26:08. > :26:11.Democrat. I'm doing some writing about this, about the US election, I
:26:12. > :26:18.do a podcast every Friday, and in that position, I have to remain
:26:19. > :26:24.neutral. Few people went for Donald Trump but the majority went for
:26:25. > :26:31.Hillary Clinton. We have made the move box great again, not that it
:26:32. > :26:38.wasn't great before -- mood. STUDIO: Ad showing that there is a clear
:26:39. > :26:45.majority for Hillary Clinton at the Conservative conference -- Adam.
:26:46. > :26:48.Stressing the difference between Britain's form of conservatism and
:26:49. > :26:53.America's current style of conservatism. That is if you regard
:26:54. > :26:56.Donald Trump as a Conservative. Now, Theresa May has said
:26:57. > :26:59.she will trigger Article 50 - beginning the process of our exit
:27:00. > :27:01.from the European Union But should it be her decision alone,
:27:02. > :27:06.or should MPs have a vote on it? Well Conservative supporter,
:27:07. > :27:08.Leave campaigner and founder of Pimlico Plumbers -
:27:09. > :27:10.Charlie Mullins - is funding a legal challenge to try and force
:27:11. > :27:23.a parliamentary vote. Good afternoon. People voted to
:27:24. > :27:27.leave the European Union, why are you finding a vote to try and stop
:27:28. > :27:34.the will of the people? I'm not against the result. You are. I'm
:27:35. > :27:37.trying to clarify whether Theresa May is legally entitled to trigger
:27:38. > :27:43.Article 50 and whether issued B Parliament, and I believe it should
:27:44. > :27:48.be Parliament. -- and whether it should be Parliament. The government
:27:49. > :27:54.says they have the legal power to do so. It should be Parliament.
:27:55. > :27:59.Parliament makes the laws and decisions, so surely it should be
:28:00. > :28:06.them that do it. Your slide in the campaign never told us that if we
:28:07. > :28:11.voted to leave it would still be subject to a vote in parliament --
:28:12. > :28:15.side. We were never told that. We were told by the then Prime Minister
:28:16. > :28:20.that if we voted to leave, the will of the people would be respected.
:28:21. > :28:24.I'm not against the referendum, I'm here to clarify whether she is
:28:25. > :28:30.entitled to trigger Article 50 or whether Parliament should be doing
:28:31. > :28:33.it. You have never shown a massive interest in such intricate
:28:34. > :28:43.constitutional matters before, why now? I'm sure aim is to thwart the
:28:44. > :28:49.result. -- unless your aim. We have to accept the resort. If someone
:28:50. > :28:53.challenges this 80 months down the line, and we have been in a complete
:28:54. > :28:58.mess, there will be more uncertainty and we need to find whether she's
:28:59. > :29:05.entitled to or whether it is Parliament. -- we have to accept the
:29:06. > :29:13.result. Parliament is voting for us to leave in essence, by getting rid
:29:14. > :29:18.of the European communities act. The idea of Parliament voting, they make
:29:19. > :29:23.the laws, why should it left to the government? If we hadn't voted for
:29:24. > :29:31.Parliament, how would you encourage MPs to vote? If we didn't have a
:29:32. > :29:38.Parliament? No, if we had a vote in Parliament. I'm a Remain, but we can
:29:39. > :29:43.live with the decision, it is about businesses preparing for the exit.
:29:44. > :29:55.Do you want them to vote against triggering out of 50 -- Article 50
:29:56. > :30:02.question -- Article 50? I would rather they voted to Remain. So you
:30:03. > :30:08.want this vote so that Parliament can reverse the result of the
:30:09. > :30:12.referendum? Not at all, there's a campaign formed by Gena Miller,
:30:13. > :30:16.businesswoman, she believes Theresa May is not entitled to trigger
:30:17. > :30:21.Article 50. You have said if Parliament had a vote on Article 50
:30:22. > :30:25.you would want Parliament not to trigger Article 50, therefore not to
:30:26. > :30:31.carry out the will of the referendum. No, no. We have two
:30:32. > :30:35.except the result, even if we are not happy with it, but this is about
:30:36. > :30:41.legally finding out whether it is Theresa May or Parliament should be
:30:42. > :30:46.doing it. -- to accept. You have said you want MPs to vote not to
:30:47. > :30:50.trigger Article 50. Obviously I have an opinion and from a business
:30:51. > :30:53.perspective that is my opinion. What kind of constitutional crisis would
:30:54. > :31:01.we have if the people, having voted to leave the EU, Parliament then
:31:02. > :31:05.votes that we shouldn't leave? We don't own what they would vote. We
:31:06. > :31:09.are uncertain at the moment, but we have got to go back to why I'm here,
:31:10. > :31:13.the point is whether she is legally entitled to do it or whether it
:31:14. > :31:22.should be Parliament. Thanks for joining us. When is the court case?
:31:23. > :31:29.Ten days from now, the High Court's Lord Chief Justice is dealing with
:31:30. > :31:34.it. More money for lawyers. It is your money.
:31:35. > :31:36.Now, the Conservatives have used their conference to make a raft
:31:37. > :31:49.Let's go back to London and see what we've learned so far.
:31:50. > :31:52.Yes, Andrew, thank you. There have been a raft of announcements and we
:31:53. > :31:54.will have a look at the big policies that were stated and have been since
:31:55. > :31:56.Sunday. At the start of the conference
:31:57. > :31:59.on Sunday, Prime Minister Theresa May announced that the UK
:32:00. > :32:01.will trigger Article 50 by the end of March,
:32:02. > :32:03.starting the two year She also promised
:32:04. > :32:06.a "Great Repeal Bill," removing the 1972 European Communities Act
:32:07. > :32:11.from the statute books, and enshrining existing EU
:32:12. > :32:13.law into British law. Yesterday, Chancellor Philip
:32:14. > :32:15.Hammond abandoned his predecessor George Osborne's aim to balance
:32:16. > :32:20.the books before 2020. Also, Communities Secretary Sajid
:32:21. > :32:22.Javid said the Government will borrow money to build 1 million
:32:23. > :32:28.new homes by 2020. Today, Defence Secretary
:32:29. > :32:33.Michael Fallon announces plans to ensure UK troops are given legal
:32:34. > :32:35.protection against While Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt
:32:36. > :32:43.is announcing a 25% increase in medical school places,
:32:44. > :32:45.to make England "self-sufficient" Joining me now from Leicester
:32:46. > :33:00.is Labour Shadow Cabinet Welcome to the Daily Politics. As we
:33:01. > :33:04.just said Chancellor Philip Hammond announced yesterday he is ditching
:33:05. > :33:08.George Osborne's target to eliminate the Budget deficit by 2020. I assume
:33:09. > :33:14.Labour is backing that? We always said he couldn't meet that target.
:33:15. > :33:18.It was surplus by 2019, that was the basis of the Conservative 's general
:33:19. > :33:22.election campaign last year. We said it would be unrealistic without deep
:33:23. > :33:26.cuts in public expenditure. We have been calling for more investment in
:33:27. > :33:30.infrastructure, that's what we think would be a sensible approach for the
:33:31. > :33:34.economy and he seems to be adopting that approach, but we would have to
:33:35. > :33:37.look at the details. It seems to vindicate the arguments we've
:33:38. > :33:43.outlined in the last 12 months. So you are backing that. Your plea for
:33:44. > :33:45.more investment seems to have been answered by the Conservatives. They
:33:46. > :33:50.have announced they're going to borrow to build a million homes.
:33:51. > :33:54.There is your public investment in infrastructure. You would support
:33:55. > :34:00.that as well? We think we could go further. We have had the lowest
:34:01. > :34:04.house-building on record since peace time, the nineteen twenties. How
:34:05. > :34:09.many homes did Labour Bill did the last government? Not enough. Nothing
:34:10. > :34:14.like it. We put investment into the housing stock, that was our priority
:34:15. > :34:18.in the first few years of the Labour government. We want this government
:34:19. > :34:22.to go further. We want more investment in our infrastructure.
:34:23. > :34:26.Sticking with housing, you said Labour didn't build enough. The last
:34:27. > :34:31.Labour government promised to build 240,000. The completions by the end
:34:32. > :34:36.of that government were only 130 6000. You fell well short of that
:34:37. > :34:40.promise so it's a bit rich for you to complain about the Conservatives'
:34:41. > :34:44.record, which were right, completions was worse under David
:34:45. > :34:48.Cameron, but now they are promising to build those homes. You support
:34:49. > :34:54.that aspiration? I don't think it's rich when I am conceding to you we
:34:55. > :34:57.didn't build enough homes. Not just enough... We wanted to put
:34:58. > :35:02.investment in the existing housing stock, because it had had no
:35:03. > :35:05.investment for 18 years of the previous Conservative government.
:35:06. > :35:10.Why should voters trust you more than the Conservative government? On
:35:11. > :35:14.the housing promises? What we have now, a Conservative government which
:35:15. > :35:19.last year promised to balance the books and run a surplus by 2019.
:35:20. > :35:23.They have completely abandoned that and completely abandoned any fiscal
:35:24. > :35:27.rules whatsoever. We have a fiscal framework, we want to bring forward
:35:28. > :35:31.billions and billions pounds worth of investment, not just houses but
:35:32. > :35:35.Rhodes, broadband, and new sewage works that is needed, rail lines and
:35:36. > :35:37.things like that. The Conservatives are just talking about housing,
:35:38. > :35:53.which is welcome, and good as far enough and that is the
:35:54. > :35:55.difference between us. You have abandoned any ambition to bring down
:35:56. > :35:58.the deficit any time soon. You are pledging ?500 billion in new
:35:59. > :36:00.investment to create jobs in new infrastructure projects. How much
:36:01. > :36:03.are you going to add to the deficit? We will have to see what the public
:36:04. > :36:05.finances are when we get into government and see what we inherit.
:36:06. > :36:08.That you will be adding to the deficit quite dramatically much
:36:09. > :36:12.about our pledges 25 billion over five years. We currently spend
:36:13. > :36:17.something like 23 billion at the moment. There are ways in which we
:36:18. > :36:20.can do this. If the deficit comes down of course we won't be boring,
:36:21. > :36:24.but we will have to see what the public finances are like. What would
:36:25. > :36:28.you do to bring the deficit down? If you invest in the economy, you grow
:36:29. > :36:31.the economy. The reason the Conservatives have not been able to
:36:32. > :36:35.deal with the deficit is because they haven't been investing in the
:36:36. > :36:44.economy, haven't been growing the economy. Labour want to grow the
:36:45. > :36:46.economy faster than it is now, at around 2.1%? What growth rate are
:36:47. > :36:48.you predicting? We will make our decisions when we see what the
:36:49. > :36:52.Chancellor says in his Autumn Statement and budget. The key event
:36:53. > :36:55.will be the budget before the general election, as you know. In
:36:56. > :37:00.the meantime, the Conservatives are talking about bumps on the road,
:37:01. > :37:04.taking this very casual attitude to Brexit, apparently pushing us into
:37:05. > :37:08.what is being called a hard Brexit, not being clear about whether they
:37:09. > :37:12.want to remain in the single market or keep access. It seems like
:37:13. > :37:15.they've moved away from that. We think that would be a catastrophe
:37:16. > :37:20.for jobs, investment and the prosperity of the people I represent
:37:21. > :37:23.in Leicester. If they push us out of the single market they need to be
:37:24. > :37:26.clear about what that means the British manufacturers who are
:37:27. > :37:30.worried about tariffs on perhaps the cars they produce in Sunderland and
:37:31. > :37:38.elsewhere. This is the clarity we need from Theresa May. Been boosted
:37:39. > :37:41.recently depending on the fall in sterling, that could be a good or a
:37:42. > :37:46.bad thing. I don't think they will want tariffs. No, but at the moment
:37:47. > :37:50.exports have been boosted. In terms of looking at the economy, although
:37:51. > :37:56.sterling has fallen, the share prices have gone up in the FTSE 100.
:37:57. > :37:59.Do you welcome that? Of course we welcome share prices increasing. We
:38:00. > :38:02.need to know what will happen to the economy in the next few months.
:38:03. > :38:05.Philip Hammond was warning us yesterday it will be difficult.
:38:06. > :38:10.Theresa May talks about it is bumps in the road, as if people's jobs can
:38:11. > :38:13.be dismissed in that casual way. People are genuinely worried, if we
:38:14. > :38:19.leave the single market and don't have access, what will that mean for
:38:20. > :38:22.jobs in the UK? Do you think Labour voters, particularly in northern
:38:23. > :38:26.heartlands, will also be worried about immigration and the fact you
:38:27. > :38:31.are pledging and would like the UK to remain within the single market,
:38:32. > :38:35.which would mean freedom of movement, as it stands now? Many
:38:36. > :38:39.Labour voters back Brexit because they want to see immigration fall.
:38:40. > :38:44.Do you want to see the numbers fall? I don't think immigration policy
:38:45. > :38:49.should drive economic policy. That's not what I asked, would you like to
:38:50. > :38:52.see the immigration numbers fall? A lot of voters in those working-class
:38:53. > :38:55.northern constituencies you are talking about would be concerned if
:38:56. > :38:59.we went into recession because we don't have access to a single
:39:00. > :39:06.European market. Jeremy Hosking talking about a migration impact
:39:07. > :39:10.fund... -- Jeremy Hunt 's been talking. I don't see how a putting
:39:11. > :39:14.these are the tree figures out that helps the case, it hasn't helped the
:39:15. > :39:19.Tories. Because Labour voters want it. They have failed to do that.
:39:20. > :39:23.Labour voters backing Brexit wanted to see fewer people coming here?
:39:24. > :39:27.Labour voters who voted to leave the EU wanted us to leave the European
:39:28. > :39:31.Union. I think there are other issues going on. People were annoyed
:39:32. > :39:34.about the fact you can't get decent housing in this country, that wages
:39:35. > :39:40.have been stagnant for years, that London and the south-east appears to
:39:41. > :39:43.be booming and elsewhere cities are being left behind. These are not
:39:44. > :39:46.self correcting issues, you need a government intervening to deal with
:39:47. > :39:50.them and that is why the Labour Party has a stronger offer in these
:39:51. > :39:52.areas. Thank you. Back to you, Andrew, in Birmingham.
:39:53. > :39:55.Thank you. The Defence Secretary has announced
:39:56. > :39:57.that UK troops will be protected from future
:39:58. > :39:58."vexatious" legal claims. The change in policy means
:39:59. > :40:01.parts of the European Convention on Human Rights -
:40:02. > :40:03.or ECHR - could be suspended Here's what Michael Fallon
:40:04. > :40:16.had to say earlier. Much of the litigation that we face
:40:17. > :40:25.comes from the extension of the European convention on human rights
:40:26. > :40:28.to the battlefield. That has been damaging our troops, damaging
:40:29. > :40:31.military operations and costing the taxpayer millions that should be
:40:32. > :40:47.invested in defence itself. APPLAUSE So I can announce today that in
:40:48. > :40:48.future conflicts we intend to Dehra great front that European
:40:49. > :41:03.convention. That will protect in future our
:41:04. > :41:09.Armed Forces from many of the industrial scale claims we have seen
:41:10. > :41:13.coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I want to be clear, this is not
:41:14. > :41:19.about putting our Armed Forces above the law. They wouldn't want that.
:41:20. > :41:24.They have to comply with the criminal law of this country, and of
:41:25. > :41:30.course with the Geneva conventions. Serious claims must be investigated,
:41:31. > :41:34.but spurious claims will be stopped and our Armed Forces will now be
:41:35. > :41:41.able to do their job fighting their enemy and not the lawyers. APPLAUSE
:41:42. > :41:46.That was Michael Fallon talking to the conference earlier this morning.
:41:47. > :41:51.I am joined by the Defence Secretary now. Welcome to the Daily Politics.
:41:52. > :41:56.This has been spun as a great announcement, but we have always
:41:57. > :41:59.been able, if we chose, to get out of the European convention when
:42:00. > :42:04.going into a conflict and it's just we haven't chosen to do it. It is
:42:05. > :42:08.nothing new? Yes it is. We have to change the law. We have to get
:42:09. > :42:12.Parliament to vote an amendment to the Human Rights Act allowing us to
:42:13. > :42:18.do this in future conflicts. This is a big decision today, the big day
:42:19. > :42:21.for our military. We will be asking Parliament to ensure in future
:42:22. > :42:26.conflicts the government of the day will have the power, the power, to
:42:27. > :42:31.do so. What do you do if Parliament says no, we don't want to give you a
:42:32. > :42:37.blank cheque. We will just vote on a conflict by conflict basis? That is
:42:38. > :42:43.not how the convention is constructed. Other countries have
:42:44. > :42:47.done this before. For the French state of emergency, not for a
:42:48. > :42:50.foreign conflict. And it was very necessary. But the convention was
:42:51. > :42:54.drawn up to deal with foreign conflict. It was drawn up, as you
:42:55. > :42:59.well know, after the war for those countries that had been fighting
:43:00. > :43:02.each other. It was never envisaged to extend the battlefield overseas
:43:03. > :43:07.and we will stop that. Why do you think no country has sought this in
:43:08. > :43:13.advance of a conflict? They haven't been subject to this industrial
:43:14. > :43:17.scale fighting of spurious allegations. Several thousand
:43:18. > :43:21.allegations have been made up and pushed through the system against
:43:22. > :43:29.our troops years after the alleged offences. If they are spurious why
:43:30. > :43:33.has your department paid so much out in compensation? Because under the
:43:34. > :43:37.convention you have to do that, otherwise the court would rule
:43:38. > :43:44.against you and that is precisely the point. I think we have paid out
:43:45. > :43:49.some ?20 million in some 300 cases. 326 cases. We had to settle when we
:43:50. > :43:55.shouldn't have had to because the convention applied. We will this
:43:56. > :43:58.apply the convention in the right to liberty. If someone is firing on
:43:59. > :44:02.British troops and they then detain them, they shouldn't be able to sue
:44:03. > :44:06.for loss of liberty, while you're arresting them, trying to find out
:44:07. > :44:10.who they are, who they are working with, gather vital intelligence. We
:44:11. > :44:15.must stop that kind of nonsense. Are you telling our viewers this morning
:44:16. > :44:19.your department paid out ?20 million in compensation to people who don't
:44:20. > :44:23.deserve it? We have had to because of the court system and convention,
:44:24. > :44:28.and that has been the past. 20 million? We are taking action today
:44:29. > :44:33.to make defence budget money is spent on our Armed Forces, not
:44:34. > :44:38.paying off these spurious cases. Are they all spurious, the 20 million?
:44:39. > :44:44.We've had thousands of cases of people who have said they are suing
:44:45. > :44:48.us... 326 you settled, there must be something going on where there is
:44:49. > :44:51.some merit? I don't understand why the department would have used
:44:52. > :44:56.taxpayers money in such a cavalier way if these cases were without
:44:57. > :45:00.merit? Because otherwise they could rest on the European Convention, the
:45:01. > :45:03.articles about the right to liberty, to say they've been detained in
:45:04. > :45:07.properly and they would have been able to do that through the courts.
:45:08. > :45:12.We are going to stop that. There were cases where our Army detained
:45:13. > :45:16.people improperly? Where there are serious cases they need to be
:45:17. > :45:20.investigated. Our Armed Forces wouldn't want this, nobody would say
:45:21. > :45:24.they be above law but there is criminal law of the United Kingdom
:45:25. > :45:27.and the Geneva Convention. Our Armed Forces have to respect that and will
:45:28. > :45:31.go on respecting in the future, after we've done this.
:45:32. > :45:41.What you say to the Army's former chief legal adviser in Iraq, he says
:45:42. > :45:48.genuine grievances would not have come to light if it hadn't been for
:45:49. > :45:51.this? I don't agree with that. It is important they can't be investigated
:45:52. > :45:54.properly, when you are cluttered up with several thousand allegations
:45:55. > :46:00.which have no basis in fact. If there are serious allegations they
:46:01. > :46:06.will be pursued. He was the chief legal adviser in Iraq. Well, he was.
:46:07. > :46:09.He thought without the conventions application serious cases of
:46:10. > :46:15.wrongdoing would not have come to light. Serious cases can still be
:46:16. > :46:21.pursued because as I said, the Armed Forces will remain subject to our
:46:22. > :46:23.law and must comply with the Geneva conventions, international
:46:24. > :46:27.humanitarian law and the Law of armed conflict. Why have you done
:46:28. > :46:31.nothing for those who have already been pursued? We are doing
:46:32. > :46:34.something, we are putting more resources into the investigation to
:46:35. > :46:40.get rid of the spurious claims and we have got rid of over 1000 already
:46:41. > :46:44.and we threw another thousand out by January and there will only be a few
:46:45. > :46:48.hundred left of the original 3000 and then we will have a time limit,
:46:49. > :46:54.so no you claims can emerge and we will tackle the culture and we have
:46:55. > :46:59.already had one of these law firms pursued through the solicitors
:47:00. > :47:05.tribunal for making false allegations and that firm has been
:47:06. > :47:20.shut down. Based in Birmingham, no less. Yes, but no longer. They felt
:47:21. > :47:24.they were lettering out to dry by the army, some of the soldiers have
:47:25. > :47:29.said, what are you doing about that? -- they felt they were hung out to
:47:30. > :47:33.dry. We will give them support and we will do our best to protect them
:47:34. > :47:37.as they go through that process. We will make sure that in future
:47:38. > :47:42.complex they would be subject to this kind of nonsense -- conflicts.
:47:43. > :47:46.This will have to go to the House of Lords. What happens if they say they
:47:47. > :47:49.aren't giving you a blank cheque and it wasn't in the manifesto and they
:47:50. > :47:55.would rather do this on a conflict by conflict basis? It was in our
:47:56. > :47:59.manifesto, there was a very clear commitment to tackle the nonsense of
:48:00. > :48:06.what is called law fair. But not to derogate from the EC HR. The
:48:07. > :48:11.manifesto did not say you were derogate from the EC HR, correct?
:48:12. > :48:14.The manifesto said we would tackle law fair and this is part of
:48:15. > :48:20.tackling law fair and I would expect the House of Lords to support it and
:48:21. > :48:24.I would expect the former service chiefs to welcome this announcement
:48:25. > :48:31.and I would expect the House of Commons to support it. How much of a
:48:32. > :48:36.toll is the continuing fall in sterling taking on your defence
:48:37. > :48:43.budget question mark given how much we buy overseas. -- defence budget?
:48:44. > :48:48.There are fluctuations. More than a fluctuation, it is a one-way street
:48:49. > :48:54.since the 23rd of June. This is how the graft goes. Like any large
:48:55. > :48:58.organisation, we take precautions against movements in the currency,
:48:59. > :49:03.and you would expect us to do that because we purchase a lot of
:49:04. > :49:08.equipment in dollars. You would expect us to protect our position
:49:09. > :49:11.and we will go on doing so. Does Philip Hammond have to give you a
:49:12. > :49:17.top up to account for the fall in sterling? We have a defence budget
:49:18. > :49:22.which is going up each year at the moment and that is a protection.
:49:23. > :49:32.While sterling is going down. It is going ahead in real terms ahead of
:49:33. > :49:36.inflation, and we are relatively fortunate compared with other
:49:37. > :49:39.colleagues whose budgets are going down, but we do purchase a lot in
:49:40. > :49:44.dollars and we take the precautions. Michael Fallon, thanks for joining
:49:45. > :49:53.us. That was the Defence Secretary in Birmingham, and now back to
:49:54. > :49:58.London. We are going to see Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary. She will
:49:59. > :49:59.be talking about immigration no doubt in her speech to the
:50:00. > :50:02.conference. And she announced she is going
:50:03. > :50:19.to look at new ways to bring Right, I think we are slightly
:50:20. > :50:25.delayed, but hopefully she will appear very shortly on your screen.
:50:26. > :50:28.As you know the Conservative Party was elected on a manifesto
:50:29. > :50:33.commitment to reduce net migration to sustainable levels and that means
:50:34. > :50:37.tens of thousands, not the hundreds of thousands. My commitment to you
:50:38. > :50:42.today is that I will be working with colleagues across government to
:50:43. > :50:48.deliver this. But I'm also here to level with you, conference, this
:50:49. > :50:52.will not happen overnight. Leaving the EU is just one part of the
:50:53. > :50:58.strategy we have to look at all sources of immigration if we mean
:50:59. > :51:01.business. I'm announcing today that from December landlords that
:51:02. > :51:04.knowingly rent out property to people who have no right to be here
:51:05. > :51:06.will be committing a criminal offence and they could go to prison.
:51:07. > :51:20.APPLAUSE Furthermore from December
:51:21. > :51:23.immigration checks will be a mandatory requirement for those
:51:24. > :51:29.wanting to get a license to drive a taxi. APPLAUSE
:51:30. > :51:35.And from next autumn banks will have to do regular checks to make sure
:51:36. > :51:42.they are not providing essential banking services to illegal
:51:43. > :51:45.migrants. I can announce today we will shortly be consulting on the
:51:46. > :51:50.next steps needed to control immigration. We will be looking
:51:51. > :51:56.across work and study groups and this will include examining whether
:51:57. > :52:01.we should tighten and test -- the test companies have to take before
:52:02. > :52:03.recruiting from abroad. British businesses have given the economic
:52:04. > :52:08.recovery in this country with employment at record levels but we
:52:09. > :52:10.still need to do more. All British people therefore get the
:52:11. > :52:14.opportunities they need to get on in life. The test should make sure
:52:15. > :52:18.people coming here are filling gaps in the Labour market and not taking
:52:19. > :52:25.jobs that British people could do. That was Amber Rudd. Home Secretary.
:52:26. > :52:26."A bid for the weakest joke of Tory conference",
:52:27. > :52:29."a half hour cringe, my face has just about returned to normal"-
:52:30. > :52:36.those were just some of the reviews of the jokes to come
:52:37. > :52:38.out of the Tory Conference speeches yesterday.
:52:39. > :52:40.But were critics being overly harsh on the Conservatives'
:52:41. > :52:44.We sent Adam out to test the gags with the Birmingham public.
:52:45. > :52:49.Last week it was a Jeremy Corbyn joke book but now it is a bag of
:52:50. > :52:52.gags from Tory party conference speeches which we will try out on
:52:53. > :52:59.commuters at Birmingham new Street station. This is the Culture
:53:00. > :53:06.Secretary, Darren Bradley. If you think I want to read more
:53:07. > :53:12.spreadsheets, your grip on reality is as loose as Jeremy Corbyn's. If
:53:13. > :53:23.that meant to be funny? -- is that meant. OK. This is a joke from
:53:24. > :53:29.Philip Hammond. Did you know that Ed Balls was not the first choice for
:53:30. > :53:36.sticky come dancing, it was Jeremy Corbyn, but then they found out it
:53:37. > :53:42.was the case that he had two left feet -- Strictly Come Dancing. This
:53:43. > :53:47.is a joke from Andrea Leadsom. Agriculture Secretary. We are
:53:48. > :53:52.determined to improve mobile phone coverage and out superfast broadband
:53:53. > :54:01.and I know how frustrating it is to search with a single bar of signal,
:54:02. > :54:09.worse still if you can't get into your Pokemon account. That was the
:54:10. > :54:19.joke. Not impressed, really. How many Shadow Cabinet members does it
:54:20. > :54:23.take to change a light bulb? No one knows because the light bulb has
:54:24. > :54:29.outlasted all of them. Fairly good. Imagine Labour win the 2020 general
:54:30. > :54:32.election, Jeremy Corbyn is in Downing Street raising a red flag
:54:33. > :54:38.and John McDonnell is raising every taxi can find an Ken Livingstone is
:54:39. > :54:43.perched in the back-seat of the prime ministerial car. Tony Blair
:54:44. > :54:48.and Gordon Brown is in the boot. Well, every cloud has a silver
:54:49. > :54:51.lining. To get to the top woman has to be twice as good as a man, but
:54:52. > :55:01.fortunately that is not very difficult. I don't get this Yuma,
:55:02. > :55:04.man. Fair enough. -- humour. He had a point. I'm not sure I get it
:55:05. > :55:06.either. With us is Geoff Norcott,
:55:07. > :55:08.an openly pro-Tory comedian who hit Edinburgh Fringe with his show
:55:09. > :55:10.'Conswervative' this summer. And the Labour comedian Ahir Shah
:55:11. > :55:26.who today kicks off his show As a Tory comedian you are a rare
:55:27. > :55:31.species? Yes, not completely unique, but I'm the only one stupid enough
:55:32. > :55:37.to go to Edinburgh and talk about it for a month. Did you get lynched?
:55:38. > :55:46.No, but I did get some strange looks. There was a sense of morbid
:55:47. > :55:49.curiosity. Novelty item? Yeah. Given what we have seen in Birmingham so
:55:50. > :55:57.far and the conference speeches, is it any wonder there are not many
:55:58. > :56:07.Tory comedian 's question -- questions? -- Tory comedians? Yes, I
:56:08. > :56:10.don't imagine they remember the first time Pokemon came round, and
:56:11. > :56:16.to think they have kept up with the Apple -based phenomenon. Being a
:56:17. > :56:21.mother probably hindered her because she was probably too clued up. You
:56:22. > :56:28.kids with your Britpop and your mega drives. Is it easier for you as a
:56:29. > :56:33.left-leaning comedian? I don't know, but there are probably more Tory
:56:34. > :56:38.voting comedians than would be honest about it. At some clubs I
:56:39. > :56:44.would not regarded as bastions of left-wing humour. Certainly. But
:56:45. > :56:51.being a political comedian from the left is slightly easier. Why? The
:56:52. > :56:55.left's earnestness, you could say, does that mean you are funny? It is
:56:56. > :57:01.easy at the moment because we are losing so badly. Stand-up comedy is
:57:02. > :57:07.aways funnier when the comedian is the loser in this situation and for
:57:08. > :57:11.a left as moribund as it is at the moment, punching up is very easy.
:57:12. > :57:18.Not good for Labour, but funny. In terms of material. Yes, fantastic.
:57:19. > :57:23.In terms of material, you haven't enough, but there is Boris Johnson.
:57:24. > :57:27.Yes, there is Boris. The Tories are putting a lot of eggs in his basket
:57:28. > :57:38.immediately ended you were booking the conference as a gig, he would be
:57:39. > :57:43.on last. -- in his basket, and if you were booking the conference.
:57:44. > :57:47.There was something very abstract from him, I thought he could have
:57:48. > :57:52.taken it further, speculating on what kind of ice creams we could
:57:53. > :58:00.have had under Jeremy Corbyn. Maybe a chocolate would be seen as a
:58:01. > :58:05.bourgeois asset. They have gone for Jeremy Corbyn, but they have not
:58:06. > :58:10.really got him. Liam Fox said there is nothing funny about Jeremy
:58:11. > :58:12.Corbyn, but he looks like Obi-Wan Kenobi, a cross between him and
:58:13. > :58:17.Albert Steptoe, I think there is plenty funny about Jeremy Corbyn.
:58:18. > :58:28.Theresa May question what everything she is doing -- Theresa May? I'm so
:58:29. > :58:35.depressed by everything she says, I've not found anything funny or
:58:36. > :58:38.stop by family in India -- my family in India find it quite funny,
:58:39. > :58:43.because they are enamoured with the idea of Britain destroying itself or
:58:44. > :58:52.by next August it will probably be fine. Across the dispatch box, she
:58:53. > :58:58.did do the remind you of anybody. It was a bit intense. The joke was
:58:59. > :59:02.fine. Theresa May doesn't have to be funny, she has grabbed has and that
:59:03. > :59:10.is OK, I suppose. Thank you very much. -- Gravett has.
:59:11. > :59:22.On the day that sterling plunged to record low levels against the
:59:23. > :59:23.dollar. But I'll be back with the highlights
:59:24. > :59:26.from Birmingham at 11.15 tonight, and back tomorrow at 11am for a two
:59:27. > :59:29.hour special and Theresa May's first Although Olly's the reason
:59:30. > :59:44.I started making this film,