:00:37. > :00:42.Theresa May returns from the EU summit in Brussels with European
:00:43. > :00:45.leaders promising "a spirit of trust and unity" in the
:00:46. > :00:50.Scotland's Finance Secretary confirms high earners north
:00:51. > :00:54.of the border will pay more tax than in the rest of the UK.
:00:55. > :01:01.The Department for Work and Pensions is 100 years old this week.
:01:02. > :01:04.We take a look back at the country's changing
:01:05. > :01:14.And Cub Scouts take over the Speaker's chambers as they
:01:15. > :01:33.And with us for the first half of the programme today,
:01:34. > :01:35.former top Lib Dem insider Miranda Green who now writes
:01:36. > :01:52.Seems like only a few hours ago I met you? It was. I slept on the
:01:53. > :01:53.floor. Stayed overnight in the studio, that is how dedicated she
:01:54. > :01:59.is. Ever since the Scottish Parliament
:02:00. > :02:02.was established in 1999, the Scottish government has had
:02:03. > :02:04.the power to adjust In April this year
:02:05. > :02:09.new tax-varying powers, to set the rates and bands
:02:10. > :02:11.of income tax, were given to And yesterday, in his budget
:02:12. > :02:15.statement, the Scottish Finance Secretary Derek Mackay announced
:02:16. > :02:17.that from April next year higher rate tax payers in scotland
:02:18. > :02:21.will effectively pay more tax The measures I have announced today
:02:22. > :02:36.mean that the total support from the Scottish Government
:02:37. > :02:38.and through local taxation provides an increase in spending power
:02:39. > :02:40.on local government services, not at 59.6 million,
:02:41. > :02:45.but of 240.6 million or 2.3%. Which invests in education,
:02:46. > :02:54.invests in social care Presiding Officer, this is a budget
:02:55. > :02:59.for growth and public services for an environment
:03:00. > :03:05.and our communities. It delivers increased
:03:06. > :03:07.investment in education, record investment in the NHS,
:03:08. > :03:10.protects low income households from tax hikes and supports
:03:11. > :03:13.more and better jobs. Overall it delivers ?700 million
:03:14. > :03:17.of additional spending This is a budget for Scotland
:03:18. > :03:29.and I commend it to parliament. He had the choice to use these
:03:30. > :03:33.new powers to support economic growth and to tackle
:03:34. > :03:37.our underperforming economy. It is much to be regretted
:03:38. > :03:40.that he has chosen instead, to hike taxes on families
:03:41. > :03:42.and businesses in Scotland, risking choking off economic
:03:43. > :03:44.recovery and depriving Scottish public services
:03:45. > :03:49.of vital tax revenue. This will make Scotland
:03:50. > :03:52.the highest taxed part of the United Kingdom and as it
:03:53. > :03:55.stands, this is not This budget passes on Tory cuts
:03:56. > :04:00.to the people of Scotland. It makes Derek Mackay,
:04:01. > :04:03.no better than a Tory Chancellor. We have the powers to do things
:04:04. > :04:05.differently, let's use them. Let's stop the cuts and ask
:04:06. > :04:09.those with the broadest Let's protect local services,
:04:10. > :04:15.let's grow the economy Presiding Officer, Labour cannot
:04:16. > :04:19.support a budget with over ?300 million worth of cuts to local
:04:20. > :04:35.services at its heart. That was a flavour of the debate in
:04:36. > :04:39.Holyrood yesterday. We've been joined from Glasgow
:04:40. > :04:41.by the Scottish Government's Cabinet Secretary for Finance,
:04:42. > :04:49.Derek Mackay. Welcome to the programme. The
:04:50. > :04:53.Scottish Nationalists have been complaining about Tory austerity for
:04:54. > :05:00.years. Now you have the power to raise taxes and end austerity, but
:05:01. > :05:05.you are not doing it, why not? We don't want to pass on austerity to
:05:06. > :05:09.households in Scotland. If we had raised taxes, that is what it would
:05:10. > :05:15.have done, so we have taken a balance and have been freezing the
:05:16. > :05:21.higher rate. What I am not following is the Tory tax cut for many of the
:05:22. > :05:27.richest in terms of the higher rate thresholds. You think people on
:05:28. > :05:31.?43,000 are rich? It is proportionate and that is one of the
:05:32. > :05:38.points around income tax. Are they rich? People paying the higher rate
:05:39. > :05:42.are at the richer end of the spectrum. You called them rich, Tory
:05:43. > :05:50.tax cuts for the rich is what they said? The richest of our society
:05:51. > :05:54.which is 43% of the taxpayers, which is the higher end of income. What we
:05:55. > :06:07.are doing with income tax is take a balanced and proportionate view.
:06:08. > :06:13.Your tax regime is no different than the Tories. Basic rate is 20%,
:06:14. > :06:22.higher rate is 40%, additional rates is 45%. What is it in Westminster?
:06:23. > :06:26.20, 40, 45. We are not following the Tories in the raising of the
:06:27. > :06:32.threshold for the higher rate, that is a tax cut. We are not following
:06:33. > :06:39.that, we will raise that threshold in line with inflation. In Scotland
:06:40. > :06:46.it means that in Scotland the higher rates will start at 43,430. And the
:06:47. > :06:53.rest of the UK get it will start at 40 5000. That's it, that's the
:06:54. > :06:59.difference between you and the Tories, ?1500. That is your approach
:07:00. > :07:05.to austerity? What we are able to do with the divergences tax and the
:07:06. > :07:11.other decisions I have made is invest over ?700 million into the
:07:12. > :07:15.NHS, education, policing and infrastructure. These are sound
:07:16. > :07:23.investment and our tax proposition also focuses on social pledges as
:07:24. > :07:28.well. Things like free education, no prescription charges in Scotland,
:07:29. > :07:37.and a different approach to social care. We want to raise the necessary
:07:38. > :07:40.investment and revenue to invest in quality public services and that is
:07:41. > :07:45.the balanced approach we have in Scotland. We will raise the tax and
:07:46. > :07:50.spend it on things people appreciate, including a ?300 million
:07:51. > :07:56.increase for the NHS. How much tax by starting the higher rate a little
:07:57. > :08:03.earlier, how much tax to you raise? It is estimated to be ?89 million.
:08:04. > :08:06.80 million this year, so not great in the grand scheme of things. The
:08:07. > :08:11.Scottish Nationalists have said for years, it is an unequal Tory
:08:12. > :08:15.society, the rich have got to rich and the gap between the rich and
:08:16. > :08:22.poor is too wide. Why didn't you raise the top rate of tax to 50p? We
:08:23. > :08:29.are doing many things to tackle a corner -- inequality. Why didn't you
:08:30. > :08:34.raise the top rate of tax? I can tell you what we are doing. And I am
:08:35. > :08:37.asking you why you didn't raise the top rate of tax? We have raise the
:08:38. > :08:45.necessary revenue to invest in quality public services and an extra
:08:46. > :08:49.for my budget, as proposed to Parliament, next ?700 million for
:08:50. > :08:57.public services Scotland. You are cutting funding in real terms to
:08:58. > :09:02.local government? It has actually increased by over ?240 million. It
:09:03. > :09:08.is an increase when you look at health and social care integration
:09:09. > :09:12.and local services. Local government is being cut in real terms by over
:09:13. > :09:19.?300 million. Those are your figures. You have taken the Labour
:09:20. > :09:25.press release. I have your own figures here. You are not looking at
:09:26. > :09:31.the total package to local government and local government
:09:32. > :09:35.services which takes it to over 200 billion -- ?240 million, not a
:09:36. > :09:40.reduction, but increased to services in Scotland. You are not looking at
:09:41. > :09:47.the bigger picture. If in one hand local government is being cut by 327
:09:48. > :09:56.but in another hand you are giving 240. Overall, simple arithmetic
:09:57. > :10:01.tells me it is still a cut. The Institute, independent experts who
:10:02. > :10:06.have said the increase for local government services is even higher
:10:07. > :10:10.than the figures I gave you. What is wrong with the figures I have got.
:10:11. > :10:17.The official government spending plans. You should know better, it is
:10:18. > :10:21.only part of the settlement to local government and only part of the
:10:22. > :10:25.picture in local government services. I am giving you an
:10:26. > :10:29.accurate figure on the totality of the package to local government
:10:30. > :10:34.services. If it was such a bad proposition why hasn't it been
:10:35. > :10:41.rejected. It is a very fair and strong settlement. The partnership
:10:42. > :10:53.had this to say, Derek Mackay has used smoke and mirrors to put the
:10:54. > :11:00.SNP strategy. It is plain to see who will suffer most. You have clearly
:11:01. > :11:06.not read the rest of the press release, which says it is recognised
:11:07. > :11:11.we have moved on the package. You have to look at the wider package
:11:12. > :11:16.for local government services. They haven't rejected the offer, if it
:11:17. > :11:20.was so bad, they would have done. But the totality of resources given
:11:21. > :11:26.to local government services, shows an increase of ?240 million and
:11:27. > :11:33.independent experts are saying it is higher than that. Not that
:11:34. > :11:43.independent. You mentioned the Institute... Hold on, you have said
:11:44. > :11:47.that, you mentioned the Institute, which pointed out recently economic
:11:48. > :11:52.growth in Scotland is now only a third of what it is in the rest of
:11:53. > :11:58.the UK, why? Andrew, you will know the oil and gas sector has been
:11:59. > :12:04.impacted by the price of oil. It has impacted on our economy. It is all
:12:05. > :12:09.down to oil and gas? No, but it is a factor in our economy. We have had a
:12:10. > :12:14.strong economic performance in Scotland over the period of
:12:15. > :12:20.devolution and the term this government has been in office
:12:21. > :12:23.productivity and employment. Unemployment is rising, growth has
:12:24. > :12:31.faulted. Foreign direct investment is collapsing. Employment is in a
:12:32. > :12:36.better situation before it was and it has a good record in Scotland. It
:12:37. > :12:41.will vary, of course, but we have had a stronger position in terms of
:12:42. > :12:51.employment and unemployment... Is rising. We will lift 100,000
:12:52. > :12:55.businesses out of business rates altogether. From attacks you
:12:56. > :13:02.originally introduced. Business rates wasn't attacks. It doesn't
:13:03. > :13:07.relate to the 100,000 businesses that will benefit from the small
:13:08. > :13:11.business bonus. You need to check the facts. Don't worry, I have
:13:12. > :13:17.checked them, and we will check them even more. If you are not following
:13:18. > :13:27.Tory austerity, why are you not cutting funding to universities and
:13:28. > :13:33.the 1% cap Pompeii? We have to make sure there aren't any compulsory
:13:34. > :13:38.redundancies. Compulsory redundancies is not a Tory approach.
:13:39. > :13:42.We will offer a fair and balanced pay offer to our public sector
:13:43. > :13:47.workers, delivery of a living wage and a different policy in terms of
:13:48. > :13:51.low pay as well. We are raising extra resources to invest in public
:13:52. > :13:54.services across Scotland. Yes, taking a different approach from the
:13:55. > :13:58.Tories. It is the right thing to do and that is what the people of
:13:59. > :14:01.Scotland expect. Thank you for joining us from Glasgow.
:14:02. > :14:05.Earlier this week Jeremy Corbyn's media "grid"
:14:06. > :14:15.Or, appearing as the Daily Politics Secret Santa?
:14:16. > :14:17.A little later in the show Miranda will, I'm sure,
:14:18. > :14:41.Officials in Brussels have said they will maintain their position on no
:14:42. > :14:47.negotiation without notification. That is Article 50. There were
:14:48. > :14:54.snippets of what the negotiating framework might look like. Donald
:14:55. > :15:01.Tusk said the UK's exit would be approached in a spirit of trust and
:15:02. > :15:04.unity. He said the 27 other EU countries confirmed access to the
:15:05. > :15:08.single market requires acceptance of all four freedoms, freedom of
:15:09. > :15:24.movement, and people. European Parliament President Martin
:15:25. > :15:26.Schulz threatened to negotiate directly with the UK
:15:27. > :15:28.if the Parliament isn't He said during the short,
:15:29. > :15:39.informal meeting the 27 other EU countries had confirmed that "access
:15:40. > :15:41.to the Single Market requires acceptance of all four freedoms" -
:15:42. > :15:44.that's the free movement of goods, We also learnt that Britain could be
:15:45. > :15:50.presented with an exit bill of up Michel Barnier, the Commission's
:15:51. > :15:53.lead negotiator, reportedly told colleagues that the UK must pay
:15:54. > :15:56."tens of billions" annually into the EU Budget until 2020
:15:57. > :15:59.in order to pay for the UK's share of outstanding pensions liabilities,
:16:00. > :16:01.loan guarantees and spending And we've been joined
:16:02. > :16:17.from Southampton by What do you think we have learnt
:16:18. > :16:20.about the EU's position regarding the negotiations? There are two
:16:21. > :16:25.different schools of thought in Brussels. Most of the national
:16:26. > :16:30.governments want this to be a cordial and a mutually advantageous
:16:31. > :16:34.process, where we keep most of the aspect of free trade and security
:16:35. > :16:40.and intelligence cooperation and so on. There are some Eurocrats, some
:16:41. > :16:42.figures in the commission in the European Parliament, who are more
:16:43. > :16:48.interested in making a point about European unity and they are about
:16:49. > :16:53.the prosperity of Europe because they are not answerable to the
:16:54. > :16:58.voters in any meaningful sense. It is much better for us to be talking
:16:59. > :17:02.to the 27 governments who will want to maximise the advantages for their
:17:03. > :17:08.own citizens and who will want to approach it in the spirit of mutual
:17:09. > :17:13.benefit. When it is clear Britain has to continue paying into the EU
:17:14. > :17:19.budget until we leave sometime in the first half of 2019, but this
:17:20. > :17:24.talk that we continue to pay billions into it afterwards is
:17:25. > :17:28.nonsense is it not? I do not know. Essentially there is potential for
:17:29. > :17:34.all the positive sounds that came out last night about trust and unity
:17:35. > :17:39.for enormous amounts of bitterness and rancour, in the phrase of Roy
:17:40. > :17:43.Jenkins, because it is not just a question of whether Britain has to
:17:44. > :17:48.continue to pay in, but also whether there will be equal rights for EU
:17:49. > :17:53.citizens here and Brits in the rest of the EU. That does not cost
:17:54. > :17:58.anything. There is a difference between membership of the single
:17:59. > :18:05.market and access, so I am not sure about the trust and unity ideas.
:18:06. > :18:08.They are simply words. I would say the point about the greater
:18:09. > :18:12.willingness to negotiate in good faith and in a positive sense from
:18:13. > :18:16.the other 27 nations may be so, but they have got to get this deal
:18:17. > :18:20.through their parliaments and that will be incredibly difficult over
:18:21. > :18:26.the next few years to come up with something they can all get through.
:18:27. > :18:29.What do you make of these claims that Britain, even after we have
:18:30. > :18:33.left the EU, would have to contribute billions. We have gone
:18:34. > :18:40.from it barely costs anything, it is all a lie to being faced with this
:18:41. > :18:45.bill for 50 billion. While we are members, while we are unravelling
:18:46. > :18:49.the full membership, of course we will continue to pay ourselves and
:18:50. > :18:54.we will continue to use the facilities while we are paying the
:18:55. > :18:59.subs. When we leave we will make a decision as to which, if any,
:19:00. > :19:03.continuing EU programmes we want to be part of. My own view is since it
:19:04. > :19:11.was a close vote and since people feel strongly about remaining part
:19:12. > :19:15.of Iraq must and Horizon, there is a strong case for Britain to continue
:19:16. > :19:19.to be part of those programmes. I do not think anyone would argue that we
:19:20. > :19:24.should not pay for our share of that. But things like agriculture,
:19:25. > :19:31.foreign aid and cohesion funds, there is no way that will carry on.
:19:32. > :19:36.We checked this, it is written down in a statement, why do you think
:19:37. > :19:41.Donald Tusk said access to the single market requires acceptance of
:19:42. > :19:46.the four freedoms? That is untrue. The European Union has a small
:19:47. > :19:50.number of trade deals, but it has deals with Colombia, Peru, South
:19:51. > :19:54.Korea, and they get complete access to the single market without having
:19:55. > :19:59.to pay anything or to accept pre-movement of people. That is
:20:00. > :20:04.wrong. If we want to go further than just access, if we want to remain
:20:05. > :20:08.part of a mechanism for setting common rules and so on, any
:20:09. > :20:18.institutions that we remain part of, of course we will pay our share of
:20:19. > :20:23.it. Miranda, lots of criticism of the British Government leaving a
:20:24. > :20:26.vacuum, not giving us a clear idea, not a running commentary, but a
:20:27. > :20:33.strategic overview of what it hopes to achieve and we have not had that.
:20:34. > :20:37.But on the European side, this statement by Mr Schultz of the
:20:38. > :20:40.European Parliament, if I do not get a bigger role, Parliament will do
:20:41. > :20:46.its own negotiations, that seems bizarre. Parliament does have to
:20:47. > :20:49.have a say like the other 27 notions. The European Parliament
:20:50. > :20:57.will have a vote on the deal. They have a bullish negotiator who is not
:20:58. > :21:04.shy about wading into the debate, so they are already very involved. This
:21:05. > :21:08.is a negotiation without precedent. Daniel Hammond was making this point
:21:09. > :21:13.about the attitude in Brussels being less friendly than that in the other
:21:14. > :21:17.nation states, but I think that is about right. We have this
:21:18. > :21:23.spectacularly rude figure of Jean-Claude Juncker who seems to
:21:24. > :21:28.make a lot of discord instead of harmony when he gets involved, and
:21:29. > :21:33.there is jostling within Brussels to be part of this negotiation because
:21:34. > :21:39.it is a historic moment. There is an interesting piece in the Economist
:21:40. > :21:43.saying how this is handled is being viewed with some intellectual relish
:21:44. > :21:47.in Brussels because it is so complex and it is such an interesting
:21:48. > :21:52.problem for the EU to face, defending unity whilst allowing the
:21:53. > :21:57.nation as large and as important as Britain to leave. Next year we have
:21:58. > :22:02.elections in Austria, Italy, Holland, France and Germany and each
:22:03. > :22:10.one of these elections could produce a result which results in another
:22:11. > :22:15.crisis for the EU. Are we going to have difficulty even getting their
:22:16. > :22:20.attention for Brexit? In a way that makes the point. The European Union
:22:21. > :22:24.is going through testing times. Even the most extreme supporter of the
:22:25. > :22:29.project accept that. That is why the last thing we want is to leave in a
:22:30. > :22:34.way that will cause serious economic damage to our allies who are our
:22:35. > :22:40.suppliers and customers. We do not want to leave and cause the euro to
:22:41. > :22:45.trouble up again. We want to make this a mutually beneficial process.
:22:46. > :22:49.I think most people in the other member states feel that way. There
:22:50. > :22:54.is a minority who says we need to make an example of Britain and
:22:55. > :22:59.showed that there is a cost in leaving, but that argument fails
:23:00. > :23:03.even on its own terms. If the European Union has to be held
:23:04. > :23:07.together by fear, then it is a protection racket and most of the
:23:08. > :23:12.other member states will say we want no part of this. It is more likely
:23:13. > :23:16.that we will have a process of disengagement driven by mutual self
:23:17. > :23:20.interest. The other members will look to maximise their advantage as
:23:21. > :23:25.we do, and we will retain our security and military links whilst
:23:26. > :23:30.taking back power to make our own laws. We shall see, it hasn't even
:23:31. > :23:34.started. We have just got the posturing at the moment.
:23:35. > :23:37.This week the Department for Work and Pensions turns 100 years old.
:23:38. > :23:39.It's had 14n name changes, 77 Secretaries and Ministers of State,
:23:40. > :23:44.and opened more than 700 jobcentres throughout the country.
:23:45. > :23:47.Ellie has been looking back at a century of the welfare state,
:23:48. > :23:50.with some of the people who shaped it.
:23:51. > :23:53.I got into the civil service in 1940.
:23:54. > :23:57.There's a photograph of me at my desk.
:23:58. > :23:59.A handsome young fellow there, look at that.
:24:00. > :24:09.When I started I got a pound, a little copper coin.
:24:10. > :24:19.He started working for what would become the Department of Work
:24:20. > :24:22.and Pensions when he was moved from Whitehall to the safety
:24:23. > :24:24.of Blackpool because of the Second World War.
:24:25. > :24:32.When the war ended the people wanted more from life.
:24:33. > :24:36.They realised there was more that they could have and they said,
:24:37. > :24:40."Well, we did our best, we have won the war,
:24:41. > :24:50.The main problem was getting the people to claim.
:24:51. > :24:56.If you are as old as him, you will have found a big increase
:24:57. > :24:59.That is why they made films like this, so that
:25:00. > :25:03.people would understand what they could claim for and how.
:25:04. > :25:06.National insurance, contributions are going to build up a better
:25:07. > :25:13.It had started with a report written by Sir William Beveridge in 1942.
:25:14. > :25:17.Widely seen as the foundation of the modern welfare state,
:25:18. > :25:19.it paved the way for a national system of benefits to
:25:20. > :25:23.protect citizens from the cradle to the grave.
:25:24. > :25:28.We shall take the first step to security with freedom
:25:29. > :25:38.The department was responsible in 1973 for the rebranding of labour
:25:39. > :25:44.But a new colour scheme and the fashion choices of those
:25:45. > :25:47.who worked there wasn't enough to stop the trend of 3
:25:48. > :25:51.million people unemployed by the early 1980s.
:25:52. > :25:54.Get a national insurance application form...
:25:55. > :25:58.The 20th century saw a gradual growth of the welfare state trying
:25:59. > :26:01.to make sure the poor and vulnerable were protected.
:26:02. > :26:05.But a century later successive governments accepted it was a system
:26:06. > :26:17.that had trapped people on benefits and this incentivised
:26:18. > :26:21.Universal Credit is meant to combat that, merging six
:26:22. > :26:23.working age benefits into a single monthly payment.
:26:24. > :26:27.But despite delays and setbacks, its architect insists it will work.
:26:28. > :26:30.This is the most important programme that DWP or its predecessor
:26:31. > :26:36.The most important thing in society in my view is getting the balance
:26:37. > :26:40.right between incentivising people to live their own lives
:26:41. > :26:49.Universal Credit allows us to get the balance right.
:26:50. > :26:55.Fred is only a few years away from his own 100th birthday.
:26:56. > :27:01.I was sad to leave but it was unpleasant leaving.
:27:02. > :27:08.People haven't always been so nice about the Department
:27:09. > :27:11.of Work and Pensions, but from boxes of folders on a shelf
:27:12. > :27:18.in Blackpool the welfare state has come a long way.
:27:19. > :27:29.Miranda, the interesting thing is that the welfare state really got
:27:30. > :27:35.going in the aftermath of the Second World War and the Clement Attlee
:27:36. > :27:43.government. The public attitude has changed over the years. It has, and
:27:44. > :27:48.if you look at the younger age groups now there is a more harsh
:27:49. > :27:53.attitude that has crept in. Not to people in real need, but to the idea
:27:54. > :27:58.of lack of responsibility amongst some. It is very interesting seeing
:27:59. > :28:02.its 100th anniversary because in the last few years the debate about
:28:03. > :28:07.welfare has been dominated by competing ideas about fairness. Is
:28:08. > :28:11.it unfair some people may be claiming too much? Is it unfair to
:28:12. > :28:19.take away money from those genuinely in need? We need a much more quality
:28:20. > :28:20.national debate about whether we are actually succeeding at the moment
:28:21. > :28:24.and where we shall go next. Now, it's been 100 hundred years
:28:25. > :28:27.since the Cubs were founded to allow younger boys to join
:28:28. > :28:29.the Scouting movement. A century on it's changed a bit,
:28:30. > :28:32.not least because it's now open to girls as well,
:28:33. > :28:35.but they still have an arkala, the all important scarf and woggle,
:28:36. > :28:39.and they promise to do their best. Well, this week the Cubs came
:28:40. > :28:43.to Westminster to appeal to MPs to ask them to help tackle a lack
:28:44. > :28:47.of adult volunteers. Mark Lobel has been off
:28:48. > :28:52.practising his howl. Cub Scouts have taken over
:28:53. > :28:59.the Speaker's quarters in Parliament I feel more confident because it
:29:00. > :29:16.showed me how to be determined and carry on doing things
:29:17. > :29:25.and be resilient. Do you think it could give
:29:26. > :29:28.you the confidence to end up back in this building in a few years'
:29:29. > :29:30.time as an MP? There are now 150,000 Cubs aged
:29:31. > :29:35.eight to ten-and-a-half, but despite having years
:29:36. > :29:38.of consecutive growth, there are still 45,000 kids
:29:39. > :29:41.on the waiting list. That's because of a shortfall
:29:42. > :29:45.in adult volunteers put off by red By the way, that wasn't
:29:46. > :29:50.a wannabe volunteer, just the Labour MP Jo Stephens,
:29:51. > :29:55.who was a Brownie in the 1970s. I asked this MP, a former patrol
:29:56. > :30:01.leader at the Girl Guides It is about enabling
:30:02. > :30:05.people to volunteer. Historically people have been put
:30:06. > :30:08.off doing that because they have been worried about their liability,
:30:09. > :30:11.about health and safety, How has that rubbed off
:30:12. > :30:19.on a Cabinet minister? Does it help you get
:30:20. > :30:21.prepared for Brexit? Well, we are actually all focused
:30:22. > :30:24.on the great thing that the Cubs is and I am sure we will all be
:30:25. > :30:27.prepared for the future ahead and it is that sense of young people
:30:28. > :30:30.enjoying themselves, really finding themselves,
:30:31. > :30:32.that was the experience I had The Cubs also played a special role
:30:33. > :30:43.at the marriage of these former Cubs when this female Olympic gold medal
:30:44. > :30:46.rower married this well known wildlife TV presenter
:30:47. > :30:50.and Scout ambassador. Essentially our wedding was like one
:30:51. > :30:53.big Cub Scout jamboree. Yes, all the guests camped out
:30:54. > :30:59.the night before and the night We made a big bonfire
:31:00. > :31:04.and it was amazing. Away from these grand surroundings
:31:05. > :31:12.hundreds of Scout troops have recently popped up in areas
:31:13. > :31:15.of deprivation so the packs' confidence-building skills can
:31:16. > :31:17.be spread far and wide We've been joined by the Labour MP
:31:18. > :31:30.Jo Stevens who you saw in Mark's film there,
:31:31. > :31:40.falling off the tight-rope walk. I can confirm she walked into the
:31:41. > :31:47.studio unaided. You are still in one piece? Just about. The Cub Scout
:31:48. > :31:56.still important in British society? I think so. In the clip, I was a
:31:57. > :32:00.brownie in the 1970s. It was a bit staid and I left after about 14
:32:01. > :32:04.months. But it is more diverse, young people can learn fantastic
:32:05. > :32:11.skills that will equip them for adult hood and work in the
:32:12. > :32:22.21st-century. Interesting, opening more Cub Scouts, are they troops?
:32:23. > :32:27.The Cubs are packs. In the inner cities, more deprived areas? At
:32:28. > :32:30.Cardiff Central, we have deprived areas, we have thousands of
:32:31. > :32:35.students. The interesting thing is, it brings the student community and
:32:36. > :32:39.the permanent community together so you have lots of students
:32:40. > :32:42.participating as leaders in Cubs and scouts and they tend to stay on in
:32:43. > :32:48.the movement after they have graduated. Will you in the Brownies
:32:49. > :32:53.or the girl guides? I wanted to, but my mother wouldn't let me. The
:32:54. > :33:03.uniform had a status symbol. I was seven. Also the after-school
:33:04. > :33:08.activities, in a group solving problems together, healthy exercise
:33:09. > :33:14.and they are not on screens. Fantastic. We'll allot of those kids
:33:15. > :33:20.we saw there, go on be Scouts? Yes, they get into it, they stick at it.
:33:21. > :33:25.I have two boys, one of them went on from Cubs to Scouts, one of them
:33:26. > :33:31.didn't. They both enjoyed it. Not sure about healthy eating, they used
:33:32. > :33:35.to have Chipi night. Are they finding it difficult to get
:33:36. > :33:42.volunteers? They are, in Wales alone there is over 1000 children to go
:33:43. > :33:47.into the Cubs. Across the UK it is 5000, I think. The 100th anniversary
:33:48. > :33:53.is an opportunity to raise the profile and encourage people to get
:33:54. > :33:57.involved. You need to have survival skills, to get the badge, first aid
:33:58. > :34:01.treatment, construction of different kinds of shelter to build a fire at
:34:02. > :34:05.use basic lighting techniques and maintain hygiene in a survival
:34:06. > :34:07.situation. I think it is all worthwhile, in case there is another
:34:08. > :34:12.big economic crash. It's time now to find out
:34:13. > :34:15.the answer to our quiz. According to his leaked
:34:16. > :34:17.media "grid" what was in or d) Appearing as the Daily
:34:18. > :34:40.Politics Secret Santa. I am not actually sure. Was it movie
:34:41. > :34:46.night? I think it was Christmas jumper day. Which is the correct
:34:47. > :34:52.answer. He has been the Daily Politics secret Santa in the past.
:34:53. > :34:53.He served us all with Christmas cakes. So there we go.
:34:54. > :34:58.Coming up in a moment it's our regular look at what's been
:34:59. > :35:01.For now it's time to say goodbye to Miranda.
:35:02. > :35:04.So, for the next half an hour we're going to be focusing on Europe.
:35:05. > :35:07.We'll be discussing the EU summit, the race to become the European
:35:08. > :35:11.Parliament's next president, and we visit Sweden for our Meet
:35:12. > :35:17.First though, here's our guide to the latest from Europe
:35:18. > :35:27.European leaders met for a summit in Brussels this week discussing
:35:28. > :35:29.the migration crisis and the conflict in Syria.
:35:30. > :35:32.They also talked Brexit over dinner, but Theresa May was left out.
:35:33. > :35:36.One new face at the talks was Italy's new Prime Minister.
:35:37. > :35:38.Paolo Gentiloni took over on Monday from Matteo Renzi,
:35:39. > :35:40.who resigned after losing a referendum on political reforms.
:35:41. > :35:46.Greater European defence cooperation moved a step closer
:35:47. > :35:49.after the European Parliament passed a motion calling for a permanent EU
:35:50. > :35:54.The process for deciding who runs the railways is also set to change.
:35:55. > :35:56.MEPs approved new rules to make competitive tendering compulsory
:35:57. > :36:09.They're set to come into effect in 2023.
:36:10. > :36:12.And MEPs will be banned from taking second jobs as paid lobbyists,
:36:13. > :36:14.after they voted in proposals authored by the Labour
:36:15. > :36:31.And with us for the next 30 minutes I've been joined
:36:32. > :36:33.by UKIP's William Darmouth and Theresa Griffin for Labour.
:36:34. > :36:36.Let's take a look at one of those stories in more detail.
:36:37. > :36:43.The move to ban MEPs from taking paid lobbying jobs.
:36:44. > :36:51.I think a lot of people watching will say, how was this ever allowed
:36:52. > :36:56.to happen in the first place? It is mysterious. But this is completely
:36:57. > :37:03.irrelevant, because MEPs are still allowed to have outside jobs. The
:37:04. > :37:08.Brexit parliament negotiator, has got for outside jobs, one of which,
:37:09. > :37:12.according to the financial disclosures, pay more than 10,000
:37:13. > :37:21.euros a month. So this is meaningless. But the significance of
:37:22. > :37:28.this report is this, there has been a series of devices rammed through
:37:29. > :37:33.in order to impress dissent in the parliament. Let's stick to the
:37:34. > :37:38.lobbying side. I am going to get another opinion, is it relevant? It
:37:39. > :37:44.is, it is extraordinary and it has been our position all along, the job
:37:45. > :37:49.of MEP is your only job so you can serve your constituents properly. It
:37:50. > :37:56.is right that it has been made clear that MEPs cannot act as lobbyists.
:37:57. > :38:04.Were a lot of them doing it? No, no. Some did? We had to make it explicit
:38:05. > :38:08.that they couldn't any more. And also ex-MEPs should be able to come
:38:09. > :38:15.back and be able to lobby the institution. What about the outside
:38:16. > :38:20.jobs? It was our position that we wanted to have one job only, but
:38:21. > :38:28.because it is consensual we couldn't get to that position. Do you have
:38:29. > :38:35.another job? Being PM EP to the region like the Northwest is a
:38:36. > :38:42.full-time job. Do you have another job? No, but I am looking for one
:38:43. > :38:46.because we will be out of it in two years. Also Richard Corbett, has
:38:47. > :38:52.basically spent two years of his mandate pushing through this
:38:53. > :38:57.complicated procedural package, which is all about suppressing
:38:58. > :39:04.dissent. OK, that's not what I was asking you. I know, but it is an
:39:05. > :39:06.important question. Yes, but I ask the questions and you answer them.
:39:07. > :39:09.We have ran out of time on this now. It's not just Brexit preoccupying
:39:10. > :39:13.Europe at the moment. Meeting in Brussels this week,
:39:14. > :39:15.members of the European Council covered the gamut of big issues
:39:16. > :39:18.in their end-of-year summit, cramming some meaty subjects
:39:19. > :39:20.into just one day of talks. Following the talks,
:39:21. > :39:22.EU leaders "strongly condemned" the targeting of civilians
:39:23. > :39:24.and hospitals in Aleppo, criticising Russia and Iran
:39:25. > :39:27.for supporting the Syrian regime. Existing economic sanctions
:39:28. > :39:31.on Russia over her Crimean invasion were extended for six months
:39:32. > :39:35.but a push for extra sanctions over her support for the Syrian
:39:36. > :39:40.regime was rejected. Leaders also endorsed
:39:41. > :39:42.plans for greater defence co-operation, including creating
:39:43. > :39:44.a new mini-military HQ, battle-groups of troops from member
:39:45. > :39:46.states, and joint procurement Leaders also discussed extending
:39:47. > :39:53.a deal to pay some countries to limit the numbers of migrants
:39:54. > :39:55.coming to Europe through Pakistan, Afghanistan and Egypt,
:39:56. > :39:58.though a decision was put back Brexit only came up at the informal
:39:59. > :40:09.dinner after Theresa May had left, where the remaining 27 states
:40:10. > :40:11.discussed their negotiating Following the summit,
:40:12. > :40:22.Council president Donald Tusk spoke about how the EU could not end
:40:23. > :40:25.the Syria conflict by force. It's impossible to stop
:40:26. > :40:37.this conflict by force. The EU has no intentions and no
:40:38. > :40:44.capacities to use this kind But please stop blaming
:40:45. > :40:55.the EU because for sure the European member states,
:40:56. > :41:00.the Europeans, are not the reason why we witnessed today this tragedy
:41:01. > :41:14.in Aleppo and other parts of Syria. So, we have carnage in Syria,
:41:15. > :41:18.terrible things going on in Aleppo and the US president thinking the
:41:19. > :41:24.Kremlin tried to interfere in the US elections this year. What did the
:41:25. > :41:30.summit do? I think it should have gone further. We extended the
:41:31. > :41:34.sanctions in terms of Ukraine the six months, but didn't toughen them.
:41:35. > :41:38.I personally believe we should have. In terms of Syria we should have
:41:39. > :41:45.imposed sanctions on Russia in terms of their action in Syria. And
:41:46. > :41:50.Aleppo. We have seen intolerable suffering with people being bombed
:41:51. > :41:52.out of their homes and their local communities. Those sanctions
:41:53. > :41:58.shouldn't be against the Russian people, it should be against the
:41:59. > :42:02.oligarchs, the oil companies, the people actually taking the decisions
:42:03. > :42:08.in President Putin's government. What did this summit achieve? Very
:42:09. > :42:16.little. In Syria, everybody shares the deep concern about the suffering
:42:17. > :42:20.going on. But the EU is not the right structure to attempt to do
:42:21. > :42:25.anything about it. It should be the United Nations, it should be between
:42:26. > :42:31.the United States and Russia. Russia has a veto in the Security Council.
:42:32. > :42:37.Absolutely. It is still a forum in which they can talk. EU was the
:42:38. > :42:44.wrong structure and Donald Tusk was right. He was putting up a Nan Sally
:42:45. > :42:52.saying don't blame the EU. No one was blaming the EU. Don't you need,
:42:53. > :42:57.if you're going to have sanctions against Russia, and we have some and
:42:58. > :43:03.you think they are inadequate, but to make sure everybody is in for
:43:04. > :43:07.these, don't you need the EU? Absolutely, but we should negotiate
:43:08. > :43:13.this further. We have been witness to intolerable suffering. We have to
:43:14. > :43:17.have sanctions, not against the Russian people but against the
:43:18. > :43:24.regime. But the EU has done no more than what it has been doing already.
:43:25. > :43:30.It needs to do more. And with the UK remaining part of the EU, it is more
:43:31. > :43:34.likely we will take people to do things against delivering sanctions
:43:35. > :43:43.to Russia. We would be at the table, not stuck outside. Do you look at
:43:44. > :43:47.the summit's decision to create a mini military headquarters will
:43:48. > :43:52.cause concern in the Kremlin? No, but I would like to share that with
:43:53. > :43:56.you, we were always told we were scaremongering, suggesting there
:43:57. > :44:01.were plans for an EU army. And here they are. It makes no sense and it
:44:02. > :44:07.would do nothing but undermine Nato. Our commitment should be to Nato and
:44:08. > :44:11.not this EU fantasy army. Should the EU be developing a military
:44:12. > :44:15.capability? No, the structures we have at the moment are adequate. We
:44:16. > :44:22.need political solutions and we need to be working with the people of
:44:23. > :44:29.Syria to reconstruct their society, education programmes. It is not
:44:30. > :44:34.going to be easy, they are still at war and Bashar al-Assad is still in
:44:35. > :44:40.power. It is meaningless, how would you do it? I have been advocating
:44:41. > :44:45.strongly, that we should be having airdrops of aid into Syria. Over sky
:44:46. > :44:50.is controlled by Russian jets? There are ways of doing it with drones.
:44:51. > :44:53.No, we don't have a single cargo drone, the whole of Europe doesn't
:44:54. > :45:01.have a single drone capable of carrying cargo. There are ways of
:45:02. > :45:07.working with partners... Who has got the drones? We could work with
:45:08. > :45:20.partners to achieve it. We're not getting anywhere, so I will move on.
:45:21. > :45:27.The MEPs get to decide who will be the president of the European Union
:45:28. > :45:32.and the lucky winner also gets to represent the parliament's views to
:45:33. > :45:34.European leaders and acts as representative for foreign
:45:35. > :45:43.dignitaries. It is nice work if you get it. As usual Joe Cockburn has
:45:44. > :45:46.found out that the campaign has made a lot of MPs, or MEPs, very angry.
:45:47. > :45:52.The city of Strasbourg, viewed by many as the home
:45:53. > :45:56.But it is also known as the capital of Christmas with its famous market
:45:57. > :46:01.A mile up the road the atmosphere at the European Parliament
:46:02. > :46:07.This man, the socialist politician Martin Schultz, is stepping down
:46:08. > :46:12.His decision has triggered a fierce leadership battle over
:46:13. > :46:17.There has been something of a gentleman's agreement
:46:18. > :46:19.between the two dominant players here at the Parliament.
:46:20. > :46:22.The Socialists and the central right European People's party essentially
:46:23. > :46:25.divide up the five-year presidency post between them
:46:26. > :46:33.So by rights it should be the turn of a candidate
:46:34. > :46:37.No, says Italy's Gianni Pittella, the current leader of
:46:38. > :46:43.He wants to end the cosy arrangement of taking turns with the EPP
:46:44. > :46:46.and he is putting himself forward for the presidency.
:46:47. > :46:49.Well, you know, politics is politics.
:46:50. > :46:53.Suddenly just because Martin Schulz has decided to go back to German
:46:54. > :46:59.politics we would give up the fundamental political argument.
:47:00. > :47:06.That has infuriated the EPP who had assumed their candidate,
:47:07. > :47:11.another Italian, Antonio Gianni, would automatically get the top job.
:47:12. > :47:15.We accepted the commitment, we allowed their candidate to be
:47:16. > :47:18.President of the Parliament for the first two and a half years
:47:19. > :47:21.of term and we did everything right and we respected our commitments
:47:22. > :47:23.towards them for the whole of two-and-a-half years.
:47:24. > :47:27.We are disappointed now that all of a sudden they say
:47:28. > :47:31.we want to go to another direction and we are going to present our own
:47:32. > :47:33.candidate and we are not going to support your candidate
:47:34. > :47:36.as was agreed on paper and signed by them two-and-a-half years ago.
:47:37. > :47:40.Others are also stepping into the frame.
:47:41. > :47:43.Helga Stevens from the European Conservatives and Reformists group,
:47:44. > :47:47.which includes British Conservative MEPs, says it is time
:47:48. > :47:52.So you are standing representing the third biggest party
:47:53. > :47:55.in the European Parliament for the job of presidency.
:47:56. > :48:01.People have been very happy that I am taking a stand and have been
:48:02. > :48:05.put forward in this way, they are excited to see
:48:06. > :48:08.a different face, a new face, somebody who can bring some fresh
:48:09. > :48:12.A sentiment echoed by the smaller Eurosceptic parties who want
:48:13. > :48:16.to end what they see as an establishment stitch up.
:48:17. > :48:18.What we can see is that people want something else,
:48:19. > :48:21.they want something different and we concede that the numbers
:48:22. > :48:24.of those are growing and we see more and more referendums to come
:48:25. > :48:27.and people want to change the politics and the great coalition
:48:28. > :48:30.of the social Democrats and the Christian Democrats do not
:48:31. > :48:33.want to change anything and they want to stick to the idea
:48:34. > :48:36.that they have, an ever closer union.
:48:37. > :48:40.As MEPs leave for the Christmas break there is not much of a whiff
:48:41. > :48:43.of political compromise in the air, but deals will have to be done
:48:44. > :48:46.as none of the parties in the Parliament has an overall
:48:47. > :48:48.majority and the winning candidate will need to get more than half
:48:49. > :48:57.of the votes to be elected as president on January the 17th.
:48:58. > :49:07.And we've been joined by the Green MEP Jean Lambert,
:49:08. > :49:08.who is the European Greens' candidate for President
:49:09. > :49:19.What do you hope to achieve by running? What we hope to achieve by
:49:20. > :49:23.running as the Green Party is to open up this process. You heard
:49:24. > :49:26.about the deals that always get done, we think it should be possible
:49:27. > :49:30.that you look at people and you think they will bring something to
:49:31. > :49:33.the presidency, that maybe they can change the view of the public
:49:34. > :49:39.towards the European Parliament and have a greater connection. In terms
:49:40. > :49:45.of the process, each of the political groupings put up one
:49:46. > :49:51.candidate? They can, you do not have to. We were considering until very
:49:52. > :49:54.early on this week not putting up a candidate at all, but then we saw
:49:55. > :50:02.what was coming from the big groups and we thought, come on. For your
:50:03. > :50:11.candidacy is it not right a disadvantage considering the way we
:50:12. > :50:15.voted on the 23rd? People see this as much about solidarity. Theresa
:50:16. > :50:19.May keeps telling us we are fully engaged until we actually leave. Are
:50:20. > :50:28.you worried you might split what I might call the staunchly pro-EU vote
:50:29. > :50:34.and make way for a more Eurosceptic camp? I do not think that is likely.
:50:35. > :50:40.If you look at all of the candidates that are there, even the ones,
:50:41. > :50:45.unless you are talking about the representative of the National Front
:50:46. > :50:50.who will hopefully be out, that would be a real shock. That
:50:51. > :51:00.particular group is running a candidate. Who are you going to
:51:01. > :51:06.support? Gianni patella. The reason I am supporting him is as I said, we
:51:07. > :51:10.need a fresh approach and we need to communicate with citizens right
:51:11. > :51:14.across the EU and he is standing on a pro-jobs, progrowth,
:51:15. > :51:18.anti-austerity agenda. It is the end of any coalition and it is going
:51:19. > :51:28.with what we need for local communities right across the UK,
:51:29. > :51:32.which is jobs and growth. European candidates have been standing on
:51:33. > :51:37.that kind of platform for the last ten years and growth has been hard
:51:38. > :51:41.to see and the use of the EU, or the eurozone, are enjoying mass
:51:42. > :51:46.unemployment. Which is a fundamental problem and as you know we had
:51:47. > :51:53.supported these jobs going to the UK. I gather your party voted
:51:54. > :51:57.against it. We voted for another directive which we do not want to go
:51:58. > :52:08.into. Who are you supporting? Our own candidate. Who is he? He is...
:52:09. > :52:15.It is about to be determined. You do not know who it is. It is about to
:52:16. > :52:21.be determined. I have to say. You have not got a candidate yet. Who do
:52:22. > :52:27.you want to be your candidate? I have not decided. You do not know? I
:52:28. > :52:32.will know when the candidates are presented. What is the choice? There
:52:33. > :52:40.is a process that will be gone through. What about British
:52:41. > :52:45.solidarity and Jean Lambert? Jean Lambert will be my second choice.
:52:46. > :52:51.What has happened is the socialist group have double-crossed the E P P.
:52:52. > :52:56.We are watching this with great interest. I do not know what that
:52:57. > :53:07.means, explained that. I do not know what it means either. The EDP
:53:08. > :53:16.candidate... Is that the mainstream conservative group, a Christian
:53:17. > :53:21.Democrat type group? Tianni is an acolyte and a supporter of
:53:22. > :53:24.Berlusconi. We cannot have an establishment figure close to
:53:25. > :53:31.Berlusconi being president of the European Parliament. It would be a
:53:32. > :53:35.disaster. Whoever wins will have a role to play in Brexit. Absolutely
:53:36. > :53:40.they will and part of their job is to make sure Parliament is fully
:53:41. > :53:45.representative and involved in the discussions and we have a boat at
:53:46. > :53:49.the end of the process. Will the Green group vote for you en masse?
:53:50. > :53:55.They will certainly support me en masse, they have said that. Then it
:53:56. > :54:00.is a question of who else we can pull in from other political groups.
:54:01. > :54:03.It is important to make it a presidency that works for the
:54:04. > :54:08.parliament as well, it is not just marooned in one group. If you were
:54:09. > :54:13.to win and become president of the European Parliament, would you try
:54:14. > :54:18.to stop Brexit? It is not our role to stop Brexit as the European
:54:19. > :54:22.Parliament. That is the decision of the British people. Our role is to
:54:23. > :54:25.make sure that the European Parliament is engaged in this and
:54:26. > :54:32.our views and knowledge is fully taken into account. When do we get
:54:33. > :54:34.the result? The 17th of January. I will put it in my diary.
:54:35. > :54:38.Now, with a Christmassy-edition of our Meet the Neighbours series,
:54:39. > :54:46.Adam Fleming reports from the snowy north of Sweden.
:54:47. > :54:55.I'm in Kiruna in Swedish Lapland, 90 miles north of the Arctic Circle.
:54:56. > :54:58.They are enjoying a few hours of light before the sun goes down
:54:59. > :55:02.and does not come up again until next year.
:55:03. > :55:05.And of course all the way out here you meet an Italian.
:55:06. > :55:17.But if you love it, if you get used to this lifestyle and environment,
:55:18. > :55:20.it is hard to go back to any other lifestyle.
:55:21. > :55:22.It is not all dog sledding and the Northern lights.
:55:23. > :55:26.Kiruna is also home to the world's largest underground iron ore mine.
:55:27. > :55:36.So the entire city centre is going to be torn down
:55:37. > :55:46.3000 flats will be demolished, along with 2000 square metres
:55:47. > :55:49.3000 flats will be demolished, along with 200,000 square metres
:55:50. > :55:51.of public and commercial property, including the wooden church
:55:52. > :55:53.once voted the country's favourite historic building.
:55:54. > :55:56.Deputy Mayor Stefan is going to need a bigger map.
:55:57. > :56:01.If you imagine it going out like this.
:56:02. > :56:04.As a politician is this a blessing for your town or a curse?
:56:05. > :56:08.It is both because the blessing is that we can do something
:56:09. > :56:12.new and we are getting paid to do it.
:56:13. > :56:15.We can focus on all the new technology that we have around
:56:16. > :56:21.in the world today and doing the new, proper, environmental
:56:22. > :56:24.friendly thing to do when creating a new city centre.
:56:25. > :56:29.But the curse is that of course about 40% of the city's
:56:30. > :56:38.Down the road the new City Hall is taking shape,
:56:39. > :56:44.although the builders are sent home when the temperature
:56:45. > :56:53.First will come infrastructure like roads and water.
:56:54. > :56:56.In 2019 residents will have to decide whether to move
:56:57. > :56:58.here or take the money for their old home.
:56:59. > :57:00.It is costing an undisclosed sum, mostly paid for
:57:01. > :57:03.When it comes to other things happening here,
:57:04. > :57:07.Sweden was one of the top three destination countries for asylum
:57:08. > :57:12.And when it comes to the economy, Sweden is one of the few countries
:57:13. > :57:15.in the world experimenting with negative interest rates.
:57:16. > :57:18.And what about all those Swedish cliches?
:57:19. > :57:22.High taxes, loads of welfare, lots of leave for when you have
:57:23. > :57:40.Here are some more pictures of cute puppies, a Christmas gift
:57:41. > :57:53.And very much appreciated. When you look at the mood music coming out of
:57:54. > :57:57.Stockholm, both by the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary,
:57:58. > :58:02.both social Democrats, certainly the Prime Minister, they could be, if we
:58:03. > :58:08.have got any allies, it could be the Swedes. Yes, and there is a big
:58:09. > :58:18.slice of public opinion in Sweden which is in favour of leaving.
:58:19. > :58:23.Really? That is news to me. It is news to me and I am married to a
:58:24. > :58:29.Swede. They do not want to join the euro, but they do not want to leave
:58:30. > :58:33.Europe. They are big supporters of Britain, they are not in the
:58:34. > :58:37.eurozone. I was talking to a Swedish colleagues yesterday who said it is
:58:38. > :58:44.a shame because a lot of mutual support came from the UK, especially
:58:45. > :58:48.on things like environmental standards, preventing the emissions
:58:49. > :58:54.scandal, etc. Our Swedish colleagues definitely want to remain. We will
:58:55. > :58:57.see. We will keep an eye out. That is it for now. Thank you for joining
:58:58. > :59:02.us. Goodbye. Oh, Walt. You got to call me Walt.
:59:03. > :59:17.Mr Disney was my old man.