:00:00. > :00:40.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:41. > :00:43.The world watches as Donald Trump prepares to be sworn is as the 45th
:00:44. > :00:48.Ahead of his inauguration, Mr Trump promises he will bring
:00:49. > :00:57.We'll look at Donald Trump's plans for his first days
:00:58. > :01:03.And we report from Melania Trump's home-town in Slovenia.
:01:04. > :01:05.Jeremy Corbyn is under pressure from Labour MPs
:01:06. > :01:07.to change tack on Brexit, with some urging the Labour
:01:08. > :01:09.leader to vote against triggering Article 50.
:01:10. > :01:16.And why is a Conservative-run county council planning to hike
:01:17. > :01:35.And with us for the next half an hour - Kate Andrews from
:01:36. > :01:37.the Institute of Economic Affairs, who is a Republican,
:01:38. > :01:44.So, the big day has arrived as President-elect Donald Trump
:01:45. > :01:47.prepares to be sworn in as the 45th President of the United
:01:48. > :01:55.Last night, Mr Trump and his wife Melania appeared on the steps
:01:56. > :01:59.of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington for an
:02:00. > :02:07.eve-of-inauguration rally and concert titled
:02:08. > :02:18.The Make America Great Again Welcome Celebration.
:02:19. > :02:23.It doesn't quite trip off the tongue, but there we are!
:02:24. > :02:25.Addressing cheering supporters, Donald Trump promised to bring
:02:26. > :02:34.And our phrase - you all know it, half of you are wearing the hat -
:02:35. > :02:40.But we're going to make America
:02:41. > :02:47.great for all of our people, everybody.
:02:48. > :02:59.That includes the inner cities, that includes everybody.
:03:00. > :03:05.Donald Trump. We will be hearing more from him. We will talk about
:03:06. > :03:10.the number of things, but give me your main thought on this historic
:03:11. > :03:13.day. President Obama is leaving with some of the highest approval ratings
:03:14. > :03:17.of any president leaving office, which comes down to the value we
:03:18. > :03:21.have put around personal integrity in a time where Clinton and Trump
:03:22. > :03:25.are running for the White House. Trump is coming in with some of the
:03:26. > :03:28.lowest approval ratings of any incoming president elect. There is
:03:29. > :03:35.no doubt that he has won and has upset politics as we know it, but he
:03:36. > :03:43.has a lot of work to do in building backtrack is -- building back trust.
:03:44. > :03:47.He needs to work on the Republicans before the Democrats. We all forget
:03:48. > :03:52.that the president has less power than the Prime Minister does in
:03:53. > :03:56.terms of making laws, so he has to play nice and get along with people.
:03:57. > :04:02.Bonnie, what is your main thought today, it wasn't the result you
:04:03. > :04:06.wanted? We have a constitution, a military code of justice, these
:04:07. > :04:12.laws, and this is not a man who seems to be interested in the rule
:04:13. > :04:16.of law. I have complete faith in the constitution being upheld, and that
:04:17. > :04:20.is where I go into this new period, with faith in our laws and faith in
:04:21. > :04:26.the laws of the founding fathers. I think all the people who oppose him,
:04:27. > :04:29.and even as Kate said, the centrist Republicans who are holding their
:04:30. > :04:31.nose and being a part of this, all have faith in the constitution.
:04:32. > :04:35.The question for today is: Who is headlining
:04:36. > :04:38.Is it a) Celine Dion, b) Country star Toby Keith,
:04:39. > :04:41.c) Elton John, or d) Charlotte Church?
:04:42. > :04:44.At the end of the show, Kate and Bonnie will give us
:04:45. > :04:56.Probably by a process of elimination!
:04:57. > :05:01.In a few hours, Donald Trump will go from property tycoon and TV host to
:05:02. > :05:06.the president of the richest and most powerful country on earth. It
:05:07. > :05:11.is just 7am in Washington. They are five hours behind on the east coast
:05:12. > :05:14.of the US, so I expect Mr Trump will probably be taking his cornflakes
:05:15. > :05:17.right now, if that's what he has a breakfast. Let's look at how he will
:05:18. > :05:19.spend his big day. Donald Trump's first engagement
:05:20. > :05:22.today is a church service at around 1.30 this afternoon,
:05:23. > :05:24.that's 8.30am in Washington. He's chosen to have a private
:05:25. > :05:26.service with his family in St John's Episcopal Church,
:05:27. > :05:32.opposite the White House. At 2.30 he'll head over the road
:05:33. > :05:47.for coffee with President Obama. This is something that always
:05:48. > :05:51.happens - the outgoing president and the incoming president elect meet.
:05:52. > :05:54.Then at about 3.30, both men will ride together to Capitol Hill
:05:55. > :05:56.for the Inauguration Ceremony, which will be watched by hundreds
:05:57. > :06:02.And the big moment will be at 5 o'clock, that's
:06:03. > :06:09.Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th President
:06:10. > :06:13.In the famous oath, he will swear to "preserve,
:06:14. > :06:17.protect and defend" the American Constitution.
:06:18. > :06:19.President Trump will then deliver his inaugural address.
:06:20. > :06:25.We're not expecting too much policy but his aides have promised a speech
:06:26. > :06:35.that will be personal, sincere and philosophical.
:06:36. > :06:40.After that, President Trump and Vice-President Pence will embark
:06:41. > :06:44.on one a half mile parade down Pennsylvania Avenue.
:06:45. > :06:49.They'll be lined by supporters along the route.
:06:50. > :06:58.Probably not protesters. Some may get through, but they are being kept
:06:59. > :07:00.away from the main ceremony itself. Then just before six, it's thought
:07:01. > :07:11.Donald Trump will sign his first As we have said, presidents have a
:07:12. > :07:16.lot of executive power which they don't need Congress to implement.
:07:17. > :07:18.Some may undo what Mr Obama has done with his executive orders. As I say,
:07:19. > :07:21.we don't quite know. We don't know what these will be,
:07:22. > :07:24.but Mr Trump has promised some "very Members of President's Trump's
:07:25. > :07:28.Cabinet will also be sworn in tonight, not least
:07:29. > :07:30.the new Defence Secretary General At midnight, that's 7pm
:07:31. > :07:37.in Washington, the traditional President Trump and First Lady
:07:38. > :07:42.Melania Trump will have their first dance and, according to reports,
:07:43. > :07:47.the music they've chosen Let's talk now to our Washington
:07:48. > :08:05.correspondent Nick Bryant, Nick, tell us more. It looks great
:08:06. > :08:09.behind you. The tabloid joke is, it's a new dawn
:08:10. > :08:27.in Washington, and a new dawn as well. -- and a new Don. He will
:08:28. > :08:31.swear the oath that will make him the 43rd president of the United
:08:32. > :08:34.States. The action begins down the road in Pennsylvania Avenue. He will
:08:35. > :08:38.come out of the guest house opposite the White House. The Queen has
:08:39. > :08:49.stayed there, no less. He will go to church, and then, because America
:08:50. > :08:53.sets great store in this transfer of power, he will meet the Obamas for
:08:54. > :09:01.coffee and a chat. What could be more civil? Then the improbable
:09:02. > :09:06.final leg of an extraordinary political journey will bring him to
:09:07. > :09:11.Capitol Hill, where he will give his inaugural address. It is said to be
:09:12. > :09:16.very philosophical. He has written it himself, he says, and we will be
:09:17. > :09:20.interested to hear what he says. We expect it to be thematic rather than
:09:21. > :09:24.programmatic. Not a laundry list of things to do but a broader vision of
:09:25. > :09:29.how he plans to make America great again, that great ringing slogan of
:09:30. > :09:36.this campaign. There are always people on
:09:37. > :09:40.inauguration day, not as many as when President Obama was first
:09:41. > :09:45.inaugurated in 2008, but still, hundreds of thousands of people, but
:09:46. > :09:48.still some protesters. My understanding is that the protesters
:09:49. > :09:54.will be kept quite a long way away from Pennsylvania Avenue, the hill
:09:55. > :10:01.where you are, and the White House where the President-elect will end
:10:02. > :10:03.up, is that right? Yeah, Washington has become this
:10:04. > :10:10.modern-day fortress. They have put a ring of steel around the area where
:10:11. > :10:18.800,000 people are expected to gather. About 1.9 million people
:10:19. > :10:21.came for Barack Obama. Lots of hotels still say they have vacant
:10:22. > :10:29.rooms, which is unusual for an inauguration. This is such a deeply
:10:30. > :10:31.divided country, and there are many people who love Donald Trump, who
:10:32. > :10:38.have been hoping that this day, and there are many people who hate him,
:10:39. > :10:42.quite frankly. Then, this is terrifying, and I think we will see
:10:43. > :10:47.that unfold today in the capital. The polarisation that has been such
:10:48. > :10:52.a feature of American politics for decades, but never more so than in
:10:53. > :10:56.the last year. Enjoy inauguration day. Back here in
:10:57. > :11:00.London, we're joined by Jacob Rees Mogg, the Conservative MP, who
:11:01. > :11:03.started off backing Donald Trump president, before dropping his
:11:04. > :11:08.support following the groping allegations made against Mr Trump in
:11:09. > :11:15.the later stages of the election, but is now back on site, at least we
:11:16. > :11:18.think he is. Are you? We have an American president, and it is in the
:11:19. > :11:22.interests of the British Government to get on with the American
:11:23. > :11:29.president, and it would be a bit wet of me not to support him. I will do
:11:30. > :11:35.lots of flip-flops. I wish Mr Trump extremely well. He is broadly on the
:11:36. > :11:39.same side of the political argument as the Conservative Party, but not
:11:40. > :11:45.exclusively. Are you encourage that for the first time ever, the White
:11:46. > :11:50.House will be occupied by a Eurosceptic? Is it the first time
:11:51. > :11:55.ever? What happens if you go back to some of the earlier presidents? I'm
:11:56. > :12:03.not sure. They were quite pro-Europe but anti-British. Some work, but not
:12:04. > :12:08.all. Let me narrow it down. In the postwar world, we have the first
:12:09. > :12:15.Eurosceptic American president - are you encouraged by that? It's not
:12:16. > :12:23.like you not to produce precise questions. It's not like you not to
:12:24. > :12:28.produce precise answers! He wants a trade deal with us, wants to be a
:12:29. > :12:32.friends of hours. His mother was devoted to the Queen, as all
:12:33. > :12:37.sensible mothers are. This is positive for the UK, and my concern
:12:38. > :12:42.is not domestic American politics, although of course I wish them well,
:12:43. > :12:46.but its effect on the UK. I hope that Mr Trump will be a better
:12:47. > :12:50.friend of the United Kingdom than Mr Obama was. What do you expect be
:12:51. > :12:57.president in the first days of his presidency? Some of the really big
:12:58. > :13:01.things he wants, like tax cuts, infrastructure spending, that will
:13:02. > :13:05.need the support of Congress. So that will take a while, but there
:13:06. > :13:10.are some things he can do by executive order. What would you like
:13:11. > :13:15.to see? What would mark out the beginning of his presidency? Tie-in
:13:16. > :13:21.with Jacob, in that in the medium to long term I am not apocalyptic about
:13:22. > :13:27.this. Some of the tax reforms will give America an economic boom, but
:13:28. > :13:31.in the 24 hours at first, my suspicion is he will roll back
:13:32. > :13:35.executive orders that Obama signed, specifically aimed at immigration.
:13:36. > :13:40.There is talk of him rolling back the dreamers act which would allow
:13:41. > :13:45.people who came with young children to get citizenship. The pledged to
:13:46. > :13:50.take 10,000 Syrian refugees. It will be for show and will be designed to
:13:51. > :13:56.appeal to his supporters. He wants to hang onto those wearing the make
:13:57. > :13:59.America great again hats. Those two pieces of legislation in particular,
:14:00. > :14:04.I would have loved to see them go to Congress. It was a mistake in the
:14:05. > :14:09.beginning for Obama to sign them as executive orders, but those are two
:14:10. > :14:12.good pieces of legislation. Of course, they weren't legislation,
:14:13. > :14:20.they were executive orders. In a sense, this may be a problem of Mr
:14:21. > :14:24.Obama's modus operandi, because a lot of what he did because Congress
:14:25. > :14:28.was a difficult was done by executive order, and that always
:14:29. > :14:32.runs the risk, and we may see it over the weekend, of the incoming
:14:33. > :14:37.president on doing what the outgoing one has done. As Kate said, it is
:14:38. > :14:41.his prerogative to issue these orders. As you say, the Congress was
:14:42. > :14:47.deadlocked pretty much against this president from the beginning. In
:14:48. > :14:49.fact, the leader of the House of Representatives stated in 2008 that
:14:50. > :14:55.his job was to make sure that President Obama got only one term.
:14:56. > :15:00.That didn't happen. He lost his majority quite quickly, so he had a
:15:01. > :15:04.situation where the is only tool was the executive order, which is not a
:15:05. > :15:13.way to govern. -- where his only tool. Do you think these executive
:15:14. > :15:17.of orders will be unravelled? He has to keep throwing red meat to his
:15:18. > :15:20.base because he has been elected by a base that doesn't trust
:15:21. > :15:27.Washington. It is an old American thing. He's got that base, and he
:15:28. > :15:32.has to keep throwing things out to them. Americans love their
:15:33. > :15:40.Congressmen and women but they never love Congress. It is said that his
:15:41. > :15:44.cabinet has the highest IQ of any American cabinet. He also said he
:15:45. > :15:52.was the greatest American ever put on God's.
:15:53. > :16:01.It was said this is the greatest gathering of brain power in the
:16:02. > :16:07.White House since Thomas Jefferson dined alone! Exactly.
:16:08. > :16:10.Are you comfortable with Donald Trump's plans for substantial
:16:11. > :16:14.unfunded tax cuts and massive infrastructure spending? I think
:16:15. > :16:20.that the unfunded tax cuts could be funded. The American tax system is
:16:21. > :16:26.complex, it is failing to raise funds, a form of Corporation Tax
:16:27. > :16:31.could raise money. As we have seen in the UK receipts from Corporation
:16:32. > :16:36.Tax has gone up. If you get the US companies to re-patriate funds from
:16:37. > :16:40.outof the United States, that could be beneficial to the fiscal side of
:16:41. > :16:44.the US. And as a visitor to the US it is
:16:45. > :16:49.noticeable how poor some of the roads are. You are surprised that
:16:50. > :16:54.the richest country in the world has weak infrastructure. So again it
:16:55. > :16:58.could be been fishally, economically, the evidence is that
:16:59. > :17:02.money spent on roads has a helpful economic effect. So this could be
:17:03. > :17:06.good. But there is nothing mystical about the problem with the American
:17:07. > :17:12.infrastructure, that goes down to the States at the end of the day.
:17:13. > :17:16.The Republican Party controls most. So you have a democratic President
:17:17. > :17:21.who has to work his or her way down the cycle.
:17:22. > :17:27.What we have seen over the Obama administration is the loss of the
:17:28. > :17:32.support for the Democratic Party, the voters detrade by the Democratic
:17:33. > :17:35.Party, especially with energy policies, we have seen the
:17:36. > :17:39.republicans taking back control and taking back the power at each level
:17:40. > :17:42.of government, I think because President Obama failed to lead and
:17:43. > :17:47.failed to offer a plan formidle America.
:17:48. > :17:52.Let me move on. We will come back. What we do know is Donald Trump's
:17:53. > :17:58.ability to surprise us. We don't really know what he might do in the
:17:59. > :18:02.next 36 hours. His journey to the White House is to say the least, an
:18:03. > :18:08.extraordinary one. Here is a brief look back from Donald Trump's
:18:09. > :18:11.transformation to businessman, to celebrity and to US President, and
:18:12. > :18:21.perhaps not surprisingly, there are flashing images.
:18:22. > :18:34.I actually asked him are you doing this on purpose to try to
:18:35. > :18:36.make it look bad, so I'd pay some more money?
:18:37. > :18:48.It is the worst pile of crap architecture I've
:18:49. > :19:02.# I feel so far removed...
:19:03. > :19:04.I've never said that I'm a perfect person, nor
:19:05. > :19:09.pretended to be someone that I'm not.
:19:10. > :19:13.Did you have your porridge,
:19:14. > :19:38.Donald Trump's extraordinary journey to the White House.
:19:39. > :19:41.In terms of being President, I, looking to someone who did American
:19:42. > :19:46.history and has continued to read lots about it, I can think of no
:19:47. > :19:50.President, no equivalent President in the past, that comes anywhere
:19:51. > :19:58.near Mr Trump, do you agree with that? Possibly, Teddy Roosevelt.
:19:59. > :20:06.Andrew Jackson. He had been a politicians before.
:20:07. > :20:10.I agree with you, broadly. To try to find similarity, teddy Roosevelt is
:20:11. > :20:13.the closest to somebody who is impulsive, follows a path he
:20:14. > :20:17.chooses. Not really a republican.
:20:18. > :20:21.And ends up being independent, creates his own war, does all sorts
:20:22. > :20:25.of things you don't expect Presidents to do.
:20:26. > :20:29.It is unchartered territory. But that make it is exciting. I
:20:30. > :20:33.think there is a feeling, not just in the US, and the UK, that we were
:20:34. > :20:37.absolutely fed up with professional politicians who go through the
:20:38. > :20:40.patter, reeling off the same answers, dining in the same clubs
:20:41. > :20:45.and this is something different. It may not work, you can't tell at the
:20:46. > :20:50.beginning but it's different and potentially exciting.
:20:51. > :20:56.Is there a little bit excited by the unknown, or are you just terrified!
:20:57. > :21:00.The part of me that is the playwright is excited, you cannot
:21:01. > :21:06.create this person. In fact, moo I last play that closed
:21:07. > :21:11.in October, had him elected President, and I was told to rewrite
:21:12. > :21:16.the script as he was not going to be elected.
:21:17. > :21:21.You could write part two! Now, he could be high on a golden age of
:21:22. > :21:26.satire and theatre but this man, I want to lay rest the middle America
:21:27. > :21:32.quickly. The middle America voted for Barack Obama and voted for him
:21:33. > :21:37.twice, so we have to look down into what's been happening... As to what
:21:38. > :21:44.happened. But not today. We don't have time. But brieflily as the
:21:45. > :21:48.republic here, you get the final word, Kate. You were not keen on
:21:49. > :21:56.Donald Trump for a while. Are you reconciled? I recognise the mandate
:21:57. > :22:02.for him. I understand why he won. I will continue to struggle to forgive
:22:03. > :22:06.him for the comments he made about miniorities, many republicans could
:22:07. > :22:15.not get behind him for that. But the biggest comparison I have for him is
:22:16. > :22:19.to Ronald Reagan. Now he is in the presidency but Ronald Reagan united
:22:20. > :22:28.coalitions. He had been an active DFR... But it
:22:29. > :22:37.is completely... Completely. He had been governor of the largest State
:22:38. > :22:39.of the Union. Acheham ling con, give me a break.
:22:40. > :22:42.On that. It's expected that next
:22:43. > :22:44.Tuesday the Supreme Court will deliver its verdict
:22:45. > :22:46.on the Government's appeal against the previous High Court
:22:47. > :22:48.decision that parliament must vote on the decision to trigger Article
:22:49. > :22:51.50, which will kick off Ahead of that decision
:22:52. > :22:54.Jeremy Corbyn finds himself Yesterday the Labour leader said
:22:55. > :23:00.it was "very clear" his party accepted the referendum result,
:23:01. > :23:05.and that he will ask Labour MPs However, there are reports that
:23:06. > :23:13.around 60 Labour MPs in pro-Remain seats are threatening not to vote
:23:14. > :23:18.to trigger Brexit, including members Shadow Business Secretary Clive
:23:19. > :23:28.Lewis told one newspaper, signing Article 50
:23:29. > :23:31.under these conditions is in the best interests
:23:32. > :23:33.of...the country." And last night Shadow Defence
:23:34. > :23:35.Secretary Emily Thornberry was forced to defend Labour
:23:36. > :23:38.from accusations that they weren't scrutinising the Government
:23:39. > :23:45.or providing a strong enough Labour is not in power. The
:23:46. > :23:51.Conservatives are in power. What we should be looking at...
:23:52. > :23:54.You're not even in opposition! What we should be looking at as the
:23:55. > :24:02.opposition is what Theresa May has said. I wish her the best of luck, I
:24:03. > :24:05.hope she gets all she promises thankfully she made in that speech.
:24:06. > :24:09.We've been joined by the Labour MP Neil Coyle.
:24:10. > :24:16.You are not voting for Article 50? No.
:24:17. > :24:21.And why not, let's take the Supreme Court decision, if that is what it
:24:22. > :24:24.is? So, the Labour manifesto made clear that we supported being in the
:24:25. > :24:29.European Union, the Labour Conference voted to retain our
:24:30. > :24:34.position. And the facts have not changed from before the referendum.
:24:35. > :24:42.Irbelieve that voters want us to stand up for the principle, and not
:24:43. > :24:47.as Jacob Rees-Mogg says, have career politicians. Me beliefs have not
:24:48. > :24:51.changed. Your constituency voted remain?
:24:52. > :24:56.About 72%, yes. If they voted to leave, would that
:24:57. > :25:01.change your thinking? No. There are those lined up to vote against
:25:02. > :25:04.triggering Article 50. I understand but mostly from remain.
:25:05. > :25:08.Yes. How many will follow your example?
:25:09. > :25:12.There is speculation between 40 and 80. But unknown. There are
:25:13. > :25:15.discussions going on with the whips as to whether or not there is a free
:25:16. > :25:20.vote. Are we not clear yet from the whips
:25:21. > :25:25.whether this will be a free vote for Labour or a whipped vote? The
:25:26. > :25:28.decision has not been taken is the message that I got this morning.
:25:29. > :25:33.There is speculation, that is premature. We don't know which way
:25:34. > :25:39.it will go. In December there was a whipped vote. I was one of the 23
:25:40. > :25:44.Labour MPs who said I'm not voting for the Government's timetable.
:25:45. > :25:48.We also understand that Shadow Cabinet members may be voting with
:25:49. > :25:53.you? Yes. Is that, isn't that the end of
:25:54. > :25:57.collective Shadow Cabinet responsibility? Well, I'm still
:25:58. > :26:01.hoping there will be a free vote. I think that is why some of the Shadow
:26:02. > :26:06.Cabinet are indicating that they feel strongly and would like a
:26:07. > :26:11.chance to vote with their conscious. There is confusion, we face not just
:26:12. > :26:15.two years of debate and wrangle from the European Union but five years of
:26:16. > :26:19.negotiations for what new trade agreements would look like. We don't
:26:20. > :26:23.know that In that period, the damage is being
:26:24. > :26:27.done. Jobs are being lost in my constituency now.
:26:28. > :26:31.Jobs are being created... Jobs are being lost.
:26:32. > :26:35.That may be to do with your constituency. But the fact is that
:26:36. > :26:40.overall jobs have risen. But I want to talk about the process, to look
:26:41. > :26:47.at the substance of that another time. Is it not remarkable that Her
:26:48. > :26:52.Majesty's opposition, on something as fundamental as a vote to trigger
:26:53. > :26:55.the negotiations to begin our exit from the European Union, doesn't
:26:56. > :27:02.have a collective policy, and would have a free vote? To portray this as
:27:03. > :27:07.a Labour division or Labour not providing opposition, I dispute.
:27:08. > :27:12.You are divided. The Conservatives have lost. David
:27:13. > :27:17.Cameron has left early. Zac Goldsmith has been thrown out for
:27:18. > :27:20.his support. So to suggest that there is Labour confusion,
:27:21. > :27:26.government is in disarray. You want to talk about that later but I am
:27:27. > :27:30.saying for my businesses in my constituency, they are already not
:27:31. > :27:35.seeing investment. 7,000 leaving the country as a result of this.
:27:36. > :27:39.This could be given excuses. There are facts.
:27:40. > :27:48.They are not facts. There are, we have been told 7,000
:27:49. > :27:53.jobs are going... I'm a member of the party, I will be voting with
:27:54. > :28:00.Andrew here, there is a tone that the opposition sets, it is not about
:28:01. > :28:06.people saying you are not delegates, you represent your own selves and
:28:07. > :28:11.conscience but there is a tone that I don't understand in Labour's
:28:12. > :28:18.relation to this question. I don't know what it is. Now I know what
:28:19. > :28:23.Jeremy says. The latest thing now I understand that there will not be a
:28:24. > :28:29.three line whip but I don't know where Labour stands? I need to hear
:28:30. > :28:32.from Kate? The referendum was advisetory, there was no political
:28:33. > :28:36.weight. It had political weight but not
:28:37. > :28:41.binding. It did not have constitutional
:28:42. > :28:44.weight. Exactly. Your point to the career politicians, is it not
:28:45. > :28:48.strange to have a referendum, to hear the voice of the people then
:28:49. > :28:55.decide you are going down your own path to reject what they are going
:28:56. > :29:00.to do? That's a good question. We will let it hang in the wind. We
:29:01. > :29:05.have to move on. As the process unfolds come back to talk with us.
:29:06. > :29:08.And talk about the substance of the issue. The process is interesting as
:29:09. > :29:13.well. Thank you for being with us. Thank you.
:29:14. > :29:15.Now, you may well have had enough of referendums,
:29:16. > :29:18.but people in Surrey could soon have another one to look forward to.
:29:19. > :29:20.Surrey County Council have unveiled plans to raise council tax
:29:21. > :29:24.The proposal would cost residents around ?200 a year more on average,
:29:25. > :29:27.and will need to be approved in a local vote to go ahead.
:29:28. > :29:30.The Conservative Council say it's the only way they can protect local
:29:31. > :29:33.We'll talk to the Council's leader in a moment.
:29:34. > :29:36.First though, the BBC's deputy political editor John Pienaar
:29:37. > :29:38.was in the Surrey town of Esher yesterday, here's what some
:29:39. > :29:46.I believe, I heard it on the one o'clock news
:29:47. > :29:49.How about some more of that money for the Council for social
:29:50. > :29:55.There's lots of money in Surrey, but that doesn't mean to say
:29:56. > :29:57.we're going to accept a 15% rate increase.
:29:58. > :30:04.I can't afford to pay, because my pension is frozen.
:30:05. > :30:07.More council tax to pay for social care -
:30:08. > :30:12.I think we live in a very affluent area.
:30:13. > :30:19.There are lots of people around who need it more than
:30:20. > :30:28.Here with us now to discuss this is Dia Chakravarty,
:30:29. > :30:30.the Political Director of the Taxyapers' Alliance,
:30:31. > :30:37.and David Hodge, he's the Leader of Surrey County Council.
:30:38. > :30:49.-- here to discuss this is David Hodge. Not everyone is affluent.
:30:50. > :30:54.Yes, but we have two set a budget to protect vital services for people in
:30:55. > :30:58.Surrey. Demand is growing in social care, adults with learning
:30:59. > :31:04.disabilities, and we have to protect children's services. Will you go
:31:05. > :31:07.ahead with a 15% increase before the referendum then if the referendum
:31:08. > :31:14.goes the wrong way from your point of view, you would unravel the
:31:15. > :31:20.increase? You have to. The council papers require you to have two
:31:21. > :31:24.alternative budgets. So you could put it up before the people have
:31:25. > :31:30.decided whether it should go up? I didn't make the law. Just as a
:31:31. > :31:44.clarification. That will happen. How much will it raise? 5% is what the
:31:45. > :31:50.council would pretend. The extra 10% is around 60 million 70 million. And
:31:51. > :31:55.what will you spend it on? Adult social care. Hospitals need it to be
:31:56. > :31:58.protected fully so that we can get people out of hospital. Elderly
:31:59. > :32:04.people should not be staying in hospital. Get them out. You had to
:32:05. > :32:09.cut that part as local Government funding has been cut? We haven't cut
:32:10. > :32:14.it yet. We have worked really hard, and we are trying desperately to do
:32:15. > :32:17.that. We have the largest cohort of adults with learning disabilities in
:32:18. > :32:22.the country. It's a historical fact, and we have to look after them. The
:32:23. > :32:26.Surrey Conservative Paul Beresford said that this was not a good idea
:32:27. > :32:31.and you should look for savings elsewhere. Opposition councillors
:32:32. > :32:36.say the council is to blame for financial failings. What do you say
:32:37. > :32:42.to that? We have made ?450 million worth of annual savings since 2010,
:32:43. > :32:49.despite the Government cutting our grant by ?170 million since then. We
:32:50. > :32:52.are on track to save 700 to our transportation programme, which is
:32:53. > :32:58.vital to Surrey, but we have to come back to reality. The Government says
:32:59. > :33:02.we need ?70 million a year for learning disability clients and they
:33:03. > :33:08.have cut that by ?32 million. In terms of the better care fund, we
:33:09. > :33:12.are supposed to get ?25 million a year, but we are getting nothing
:33:13. > :33:20.next year, nothing the year after, and the following year, we get ?1.5
:33:21. > :33:25.million. So you need this money? Desperately. Is the Government not
:33:26. > :33:30.leaning on new? I am here to represent the people of Surrey. That
:33:31. > :33:34.is what I was elected to do. And in the process of that, this is quite
:33:35. > :33:40.embarrassing for the Government, so are they leaning on you to pull
:33:41. > :33:45.back? I have been producing facts and figures to MPs and to
:33:46. > :33:48.Government, and they have never told me the figures were incorrect. In
:33:49. > :33:54.fact, they had told me the figures are correct. Are they leaning on
:33:55. > :33:58.you? They can do that, but I am accountable to the people of Surrey,
:33:59. > :34:02.and we have to be honest, stood up and told people the facts. The facts
:34:03. > :34:06.are that adult social care is in crisis in this country. I understand
:34:07. > :34:10.that is where you're coming from, but are you going to win this
:34:11. > :34:17.referendum was Mike we will tell the truth. If we win, I will be very
:34:18. > :34:22.pleased. Let me try one more Time - will you win the referendum, or will
:34:23. > :34:26.it be a resigning matter if you lose a? I believe that the people of
:34:27. > :34:32.Surrey will go to that with a clear conscience. They know what the facts
:34:33. > :34:36.are. We will put the facts to them. You sound like a national
:34:37. > :34:42.politician. I am definitely not, much more local. I understand. We
:34:43. > :34:45.have run out of time. You have given the case, and we shall see what the
:34:46. > :34:48.outcome is. It's an interesting story. Thanks for being with us.
:34:49. > :34:51.It's time now to find out the answer to our quiz.
:34:52. > :34:53.The question was, who is headlining Donald Trump's
:34:54. > :35:03.So Bonnie and Kate what's the correct answer?
:35:04. > :35:11.Let's go with the person we had never heard of and say Toby Keith. I
:35:12. > :35:20.said you could do it by elimination. I have heard of him. He's great. I
:35:21. > :35:28.will get you a CD. It's the first time with the -- we been offered a
:35:29. > :35:33.present. Normally the guests just steel beam mugs.
:35:34. > :35:39.Coming up in a moment it's our regular look at what's been
:35:40. > :35:44.For now it's time to say goodbye to my two guests of the day -
:35:45. > :35:49.So for the next half an hour we're going to be focussing on Europe.
:35:50. > :35:51.We'll be discussing the reaction to Theresa May's Brexit speech,
:35:52. > :35:54.the election of the new president of the European Parliament,
:35:55. > :35:56.and we report from Slovenia in the latest in our series,
:35:57. > :36:00.First though here's our guide to the latest from Europe -
:36:01. > :36:03.After much anticipation, on Tuesday, Prime Minister, Theresa May,
:36:04. > :36:06.She said the UK would leave the single
:36:07. > :36:08.market and had a stark message to Britain's European neighbours.
:36:09. > :36:11.No deal for Britain is better than a bad deal for Britain.
:36:12. > :36:13.There were mixed reactions from European leaders.
:36:14. > :36:15.Some accused the PM of cherry-picking the parts
:36:16. > :36:24.Also on Tuesday, European Parliament elected its new President.
:36:25. > :36:28.Step forward, Italian politician, Antonio Tiani, who comes from the
:36:29. > :36:33.On Thursday, MEPs called for emergency aid for migrants and
:36:34. > :36:38.Specifically to help them cope with freezing temperatures
:36:39. > :36:43.And also this week, a report by top officials, called for the EU
:36:44. > :36:45.to raise its own taxes - stand by for
:36:46. > :36:48.news of a European VAT, a bank levy or a European corporate tax -
:36:49. > :37:00.And with me for the next 30 minutes i've been joined
:37:01. > :37:03.by the Conservative MEP Vicky Ford, and the Labour MEP Neena Gill.
:37:04. > :37:07.And we've also been joined from Brussels
:37:08. > :37:15.by Politico's Chief Brussels Correspondent David Herszenhorn.
:37:16. > :37:26.David, let me come to you first. When will we get the combined or
:37:27. > :37:30.collective European negotiating position? Mrs May as outlined in
:37:31. > :37:36.broad terms the British strategy with her speech this week. Will we
:37:37. > :37:43.get something similar from the European Union site? Certainly not
:37:44. > :37:47.before the triggering of Article 50. The EU has been clear about this,
:37:48. > :37:50.that it is not their job to help the UK along or to get ahead of formal
:37:51. > :37:54.procedures. You know the steps that need to be taken. We are waiting for
:37:55. > :37:59.a court decision, for Parliament act. Once that happens, and the
:38:00. > :38:02.formal notification is received in Brussels, then we will start to see
:38:03. > :38:06.the chief negotiator for the European Commission kick into
:38:07. > :38:13.action, and a more cohesive message should be coming out of Brussels at
:38:14. > :38:17.that point. In London, how much hostility is there to Britain in
:38:18. > :38:21.these negotiations, building up to these negotiations? I think there is
:38:22. > :38:25.resignation and disappointment with the way we are going, and I would
:38:26. > :38:30.say there is almost a feeling that there is an abdication of political
:38:31. > :38:34.leadership in terms of, we keep talking about immigration and only
:38:35. > :38:40.that, and not discussing important issues like the economy and jobs and
:38:41. > :38:44.what that means. The speech, other than clarifying that we're not going
:38:45. > :38:47.to be in the single market, which I'm personally really devastated by,
:38:48. > :38:55.because I do think it is important for our economy and jobs, and for
:38:56. > :38:58.our income, to safeguard NHS, education and services, but I think
:38:59. > :39:04.the main concern is that we seem to have thrown in the towel before
:39:05. > :39:09.we've actually started negotiations. Actually, I disagree. I happen to be
:39:10. > :39:13.in the more detailed discussions that are happening between the
:39:14. > :39:17.Parliaments' committees, and I've noticed very much a change of tone
:39:18. > :39:22.over the Christmas period, as those committees have started to look at
:39:23. > :39:29.the more detailed implications. Both sides, and we had a long meeting
:39:30. > :39:35.last week with the European Council chief negotiator. One of the people
:39:36. > :39:40.who is heading up... And he is a very detailed person, and one who
:39:41. > :39:44.talks about the need for partnership and the need to recognise the close
:39:45. > :39:51.economic ties between Europe and the UK. And what I have noticed, sorry,
:39:52. > :39:54.is that as they look at the details, a more practical and pragmatic
:39:55. > :39:58.approach, not wanting to damage the economy on either side of the
:39:59. > :40:06.Channel, and I am just beginning to feel in that negotiation... In
:40:07. > :40:12.response to Theresa May's speech, it has undone some of that work. My
:40:13. > :40:16.colleagues involved in those discussions, and they have said
:40:17. > :40:21.there was a plan, there is a way to move these former -- these things
:40:22. > :40:24.forward, but the way it has gone down now, people said, you are not
:40:25. > :40:33.really interested in a close a deal. You have stated that you want out,
:40:34. > :40:37.and... The Prime Minister wants as close a deal as possible. David, let
:40:38. > :40:42.me ask you this, because we are still a little unclear on this side
:40:43. > :40:49.of the Channel. Assuming Article 50 is triggered by the vote in
:40:50. > :40:54.parliament, what then, how does Europe come to its collective view?
:40:55. > :40:59.Does that have to be determined in the Council of ministers first, by
:41:00. > :41:03.the 27, excluding Britain? Duvet then give the chief negotiator a
:41:04. > :41:09.broad negotiating mandate. Will we get to see what that mandate is? We
:41:10. > :41:13.get the sense that that mandate is already taking shape. Let me back up
:41:14. > :41:16.a second to answer your previous question, which my fellow guests
:41:17. > :41:22.didn't get to, which is in fact there is a lot of lip service paid
:41:23. > :41:25.to the continuing importance and relevance of British officials in
:41:26. > :41:30.the EU and in Brussels. We are seeing that it is quickly apparent
:41:31. > :41:33.that they are being marginalised. In the Parliament, they say that
:41:34. > :41:37.everyone is a full member until Brexit happens, but it is clear that
:41:38. > :41:41.that relevance is diminishing fast, and that is important for the UK,
:41:42. > :41:46.which will be a part of the EU for the next couple of years. In terms
:41:47. > :41:50.of the mandate for the chief negotiator, there has been some
:41:51. > :41:54.reaction to the Prime Minister's speech, looking back to the very
:41:55. > :41:58.first but simple things that Angela Merkel said after the referendum,
:41:59. > :42:03.which is the four fundamental freedoms of the EU are not up for
:42:04. > :42:07.negotiation. What officials are telling me is that there doesn't
:42:08. > :42:10.seem to be sufficient recognition of that in London, that people haven't
:42:11. > :42:23.heard the message that these things are not negotiable. Membership has
:42:24. > :42:25.its privileges! What do you say? The Prime Minister recognise that very
:42:26. > :42:29.strongly, and recognised the importance of the four freedoms. She
:42:30. > :42:34.went on to talk about needing to keep a close economic partnership,
:42:35. > :42:39.but from the UK side, we want to keep open as much trade as possible
:42:40. > :42:43.and then put it back to the EU, the practical cooperation that we have
:42:44. > :42:49.on certain issues, like trading goods. She mentioned cars and
:42:50. > :42:54.financial services, the sort of practical co-operative links,
:42:55. > :42:59.wanting to keep... Can I ask a question? We haven't got much time,
:43:00. > :43:04.so we have to share of this. If the Government is ruling out membership
:43:05. > :43:07.of the single market, wine are the four freedoms relevant? They don't
:43:08. > :43:12.need to be up for negotiation, because if we're not going to be a
:43:13. > :43:22.member the single market, the four freedoms don't apply and are not for
:43:23. > :43:29.us. I agree. I am asking here in London, David. I think it is wrong
:43:30. > :43:34.that we put immigration above jobs and the economy, and that is what I
:43:35. > :43:38.am hearing from manufacturers in the West Midlands, that they need access
:43:39. > :43:44.to the single market. When we look at the referendum... Hold on... Let
:43:45. > :43:49.me just finished, we were being reassured that we weren't talking
:43:50. > :43:53.about leaving the single market. Do you accept that if we are not going
:43:54. > :43:56.to be a member of the single market, then the four freedoms that go with
:43:57. > :44:01.the single market, therefore, don't have to be part of the negotiations?
:44:02. > :44:05.Theresa it depends what we want. We have had some statements from the
:44:06. > :44:08.Prime Minister saying we will have customs arrangements, and it's not
:44:09. > :44:16.clear. We do not know what that means. Let me go back to David. If
:44:17. > :44:21.it is the Government position to go for a free-trade agreement, why are
:44:22. > :44:26.the four freedoms of the single market relevant? The point, I think,
:44:27. > :44:31.is to understand that if there is compromise on that side, and if the
:44:32. > :44:35.UK is not willing to live up to those standards, then in fact, there
:44:36. > :44:39.will be a cost to leaving membership of the EU, that any trade deal will
:44:40. > :44:44.not be as preferential. The Government knows that. If they
:44:45. > :44:51.understand that, then negotiations can proceed, but it will take some
:44:52. > :44:57.time. In any free-trade agreement, there is always a clause about these
:44:58. > :45:02.every access or movement. The Canadian free-trade deal, the most
:45:03. > :45:09.recent one, doesn't involve free movement. Can I come back in? Let's
:45:10. > :45:13.be clear. I have heard the chief negotiator say it is not a special
:45:14. > :45:17.deal for the UK but a deal that is very specific, that recognises our
:45:18. > :45:21.economic links, wants to form a new partnership, and that is what the
:45:22. > :45:24.Prime Minister has set out. She has set out her willingness to not put
:45:25. > :45:29.up new barriers to try, to manage the economy on both sides, and we
:45:30. > :45:32.need to start working on the detail of that. That is the tone I have
:45:33. > :45:37.heard in Brussels, and we need to start working.
:45:38. > :45:45.How much concern is interest in Brussels, or is there not a concern,
:45:46. > :45:49.of the kind of anti-establishment survey, that we have seen with the
:45:50. > :45:54.Donald Trump election, could dominate the important elections in
:45:55. > :45:59.Holland, France, Austria, perhaps Italy, and eelections taking place
:46:00. > :46:03.in Germany, that that could be the backdrop? Are they worried about
:46:04. > :46:09.what is happening on the ground this Europe? There is no question that
:46:10. > :46:13.the antiestablishment forces are a concern but interestingly, Donald
:46:14. > :46:19.Trump may be a force to serve to unify the EU, if the EU saw a reason
:46:20. > :46:23.to stay unified because of the upcoming Brexit negotiations, that
:46:24. > :46:28.Donald Trump is providing greater urgency for the EU to stay together.
:46:29. > :46:32.So folks are feeling confident, Angela Merkel thinks that things
:46:33. > :46:37.will be fine in the elections. I think there is confidence growing in
:46:38. > :46:40.Brussels they will make it through the elections OK and Trump is
:46:41. > :46:45.creating a unifying force. All right. There was confidence in
:46:46. > :46:51.the establishment that Donald Trump would not win the primary process as
:46:52. > :46:55.well, so let's see if the Princess Elizabeth bureaucrats are better at
:46:56. > :47:02.calling this than those on the other side of the Atlantic.
:47:03. > :47:05.It's the election that has gripped the corridors
:47:06. > :47:08.of Strasbourg this week, MEPs spent all of Tuesday voting
:47:09. > :47:10.for the next president of the European Parliament.
:47:11. > :47:12.It's an important position, because as the parliament's top dog
:47:13. > :47:14.they get to wield considerable influence behind the scenes.
:47:15. > :47:17.The moment when Antonio Tajani from the centre-right
:47:18. > :47:22.European People's Party became the new man in charge.
:47:23. > :47:26.Congratulating him, his predecessor Martin Schultz,
:47:27. > :47:30.the German socialist who's leaving after five years at the helm.
:47:31. > :47:33.Even though his party's candidate, Gianni Patella, was defeated
:47:34. > :47:40.As Schultz exits stage left, the changing of the guard
:47:41. > :47:46.at the European Parliament is completed.
:47:47. > :47:50.This election was really a battle between two Italians,
:47:51. > :47:58.but it started off as a contest divided up between six candidates.
:47:59. > :48:00.After three rounds of voting, it was down to Gianni Patella
:48:01. > :48:03.on the left and Antonio Tajani on the right.
:48:04. > :48:13.In the end, it was Mr Tajani who came out on top.
:48:14. > :48:15.Tajani's election marks a clean sweep for the centre-right
:48:16. > :48:18.As well as the Parliament, the Commission is headed up
:48:19. > :48:20.by Jean-Claude Juncker and the council by Donald
:48:21. > :48:28.We fought the monopoly but we weren't able to win
:48:29. > :48:31.but we fought strongly against the monopoly and we will
:48:32. > :48:47.Well, he's certainly a familiar face around the Parliament
:48:48. > :48:50.but he cut his political teeth as a spokesman for the controversial
:48:51. > :48:54.former Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi.
:48:55. > :49:06.You can feel it, all of the different groupings
:49:07. > :49:10.If you ask them and inparticular Members of Parliament,
:49:11. > :49:13.what they would say about him, it is not only me,
:49:14. > :49:16.it is that he is a man that keeps his word and this
:49:17. > :49:26.It's this approach that eventually won Tajani the support of all
:49:27. > :49:29.It's this approach that eventually won Tajani the support of the other
:49:30. > :49:33.I think Tajani would be a better chairman for us in the Parliament,
:49:34. > :49:36.for two reasons, primarily, one, he has promised to be more
:49:37. > :49:38.of a speaker of the House than a Prime Minister,
:49:39. > :49:41.we need a more neutral conductor of business, and the other thing
:49:42. > :49:43.for a conservative mind, is that it is better
:49:44. > :49:45.to have a centre-right person in the chairman,
:49:46. > :49:47.to have a centre-right person in the chair,
:49:48. > :49:52.So for those two reasons we ended up in the last two rounds supporting
:49:53. > :49:55.Mr Tajani's intray is already pretty full, countering
:49:56. > :49:57.the rise of Euro-scepticism, ahead of elections in France,
:49:58. > :49:59.Germany and Holland, coping with any new wave
:50:00. > :50:02.of migrants, and of course, Brexit, although he won't be the man
:50:03. > :50:17.leading the negotiations on behalf of Parliament.
:50:18. > :50:20.That will be done by the liberal MEP, Mr Verhoffstat.
:50:21. > :50:22.How do you think Antonio Tajani will respond in terms of Brexit?
:50:23. > :50:25.I think in terms of rhetoric, of course, he will subscribe
:50:26. > :50:28.to the standard European position that they are opposed to Brexit,
:50:29. > :50:30.they think it's a disaster, they're going to punish us,
:50:31. > :50:34.they're going to expect to see us perform very badly,
:50:35. > :50:37.I think actually, I think he is much more measured and pragmatic.
:50:38. > :50:39.So Mr Tajani will most likely be the man here in post
:50:40. > :50:43.here at the Parliament in just over two years' time, when the sun sets
:50:44. > :50:47.on the UK's negotiation over its exit and MEPs
:50:48. > :50:50.from the remaining 27 member states will have a vote to ratify any
:50:51. > :50:55.Jo Coburn reporting from Strasbourg.
:50:56. > :51:02.So, Jean-Claude Juncker, President of The Commission, Donald Tusk,
:51:03. > :51:07.another conservative President of the council of ministers, now a
:51:08. > :51:13.centre-right Italian MEP, President of the Parliament, is the right
:51:14. > :51:17.taking over the EU's institutions? I am disappointed that our candidate,
:51:18. > :51:24.who put up a good fight but was not successful.
:51:25. > :51:27.Who were you backing? I was backing Gianni Patella.
:51:28. > :51:34.So, on you go. So, I think it is of concern that
:51:35. > :51:39.all three institutions are in the centre-right. I don't think it bodes
:51:40. > :51:44.well. But more importantly, what concerns me, and I get on very well
:51:45. > :51:50.with Antonio Tajani but I think he is not really a strong candidate in
:51:51. > :51:58.terms of the challenges the EU faces this year. And Martin Schultz has
:51:59. > :52:00.increased Parliament's role and that is important to connect with the
:52:01. > :52:06.citizens. OK. Is there not a certain irony
:52:07. > :52:10.that the conservative Government is taking us out of the EU
:52:11. > :52:15.institutions, just as the Conservatives are dominating the EU
:52:16. > :52:18.institutions? In response to Neena, the reason we have a centre-right
:52:19. > :52:22.politicians now is because the centre-right have more votes,
:52:23. > :52:26.because the centre-right got more votes from the public in the
:52:27. > :52:29.Parliament in the last election as they won more votes in the last
:52:30. > :52:35.European elections. So that is why he won. I am pleased to see someone
:52:36. > :52:43.who has said that they will be more of a speaker and less of a Prime
:52:44. > :52:48.Minister. We found Martin Schultz dictatorial. He overruled many
:52:49. > :52:51.decisions of the Parliament commission, so the backbenchers...
:52:52. > :52:57.ALL SPEAK AT ONCE Will he be helpful or unhelpful on
:52:58. > :53:02.Brexit? The reason I voted for him in the last round was that he
:53:03. > :53:07.promised to listen to all the Parliament, especially to the
:53:08. > :53:12.Conservative reformist group, my grouping and promised to pledge a
:53:13. > :53:16.neutral tone on Brexit to allow the negotiations to happen in a rack
:53:17. > :53:24.thank you call, pragmatic way. Although, part of the deal is that
:53:25. > :53:29.Verhofstat stays to strengthen and what Gianni Patella was offering.
:53:30. > :53:37.Vicky, let me finish, I listened to you. He was saying he would take
:53:38. > :53:41.Verhofstat off the negotiations, so in terms of British interests it
:53:42. > :53:47.would have been better, given his position on the UK... He is the
:53:48. > :53:53.Belgian federalist? Yes. He is now a leader of one of the
:53:54. > :53:58.groups and has an agreement with the centre-right grouping, the EPP, to
:53:59. > :54:04.change the direction of the EU. They now want a European coastguard, a
:54:05. > :54:08.European governor zone, a European defence force and also European
:54:09. > :54:13.intelligence and investigation capacity. So if that's the way that
:54:14. > :54:17.these two big groups in the European Parliament are going, even Labour
:54:18. > :54:20.could not support most of that? No. We were were not supporting these
:54:21. > :54:25.candidates. No but is that the direction of
:54:26. > :54:29.travel for Europe? This is what the Conservatives were supporting him
:54:30. > :54:35.for. I could not have supported the socialist candidate. You have a
:54:36. > :54:37.choice of two, both of them are federalist...
:54:38. > :54:42.ALL SPEAK AT ONCE Gianni Patella is En not a federalist. They said that
:54:43. > :54:49.the Antonio Tajani offer was to be more of a neutral speaker to allow
:54:50. > :54:53.the Parliament to move on. Just on Verhofstat, he is not in the
:54:54. > :54:59.negotiations. The negotiations happen with the entire Parliament.
:55:00. > :55:02.He is either in or not? He is the chief negotiator. One of the parts
:55:03. > :55:05.of the deal. Hold on.
:55:06. > :55:09.The two of you are confusing me! You are saying he is not in the
:55:10. > :55:15.negotiations, you are saying he is the chief negotiator. Both cannot be
:55:16. > :55:23.right? The Article 50 negotiations are conducted with the European
:55:24. > :55:26.Council and with the Barniaese team. The Parliament as a whole then hads
:55:27. > :55:32.a vote. I understand that. But I'm still not
:55:33. > :55:39.clear but have run out of time to clarify it. We have to move on in
:55:40. > :55:43.the latest of series of films for the EU Member States.
:55:44. > :55:45.Adam Fleming has travelled to Sloveni, where people
:55:46. > :55:47.in Melania Trump's home town have been getting used to the idea
:55:48. > :55:57.that their most famous ex-resident is moving into the White House.
:55:58. > :56:00.I was born in Slovenia, a small, beautiful and then communist country
:56:01. > :56:08.And here is where - the town of Sevnica.
:56:09. > :56:14.Fittingly for a former model, it is where you will find
:56:15. > :56:22.Slovenia's biggest manufacturer of pants.Melania left and found
:56:23. > :56:25.fame, fortune and a husband in the
:56:26. > :56:28.Since then, her home country has joined
:56:29. > :56:33.Armed with my Nova magazine, with Melania
:56:34. > :56:36.on the front cover, let's find out what people think about her.
:56:37. > :56:56.Can you imagine Donald Trump in the street,
:56:57. > :57:02.Here, they are offering a wise First Lady
:57:03. > :57:24.tour, where you can see the Melania's
:57:25. > :57:25.old school, have some of the
:57:26. > :57:59.At the Julia bakery, they are selling a Trump-themed cake.
:58:00. > :57:59.We put on white chocolate because of the White
:58:00. > :57:59.House, she is always dressed in white, so we put white chocolate.
:58:00. > :58:00.And we put gold on top because it's luxury.
:58:01. > :58:00.Also almonds and other special ingredients.
:58:01. > :58:01.It's not exactly Melania-mania, maybe because
:58:02. > :58:21.Mrs Trump's Slovenian lawyers have issued
:58:22. > :58:22.It's not exactly Melania-mania, maybe because
:58:23. > :58:23.Mrs Trump's Slovenian lawyers have issued
:58:24. > :58:25.a reminder that her name is a
:58:26. > :58:30.The biggest thing Mrs Trump has done for us is to get us
:58:31. > :58:33.In Sevnica, we're respectful about using
:58:34. > :58:35.her name, partly because her family still live here.
:58:36. > :58:37.And that will continue to be the case in the
:58:38. > :58:40.But surely it's all great material for Slovenian comedians.
:58:41. > :58:44.That she was a robot designed in Slovenia
:58:45. > :58:47.designed to infiltrate the White House and now we are in charge.
:58:48. > :58:49.We are such a small country, this was
:58:50. > :58:52.The president of Uefa is also Slovenian, so we're
:58:53. > :58:53.kind of like putting people in positions
:58:54. > :58:55.and waiting to see what is
:58:56. > :58:58.Celebrations for the inauguration are low-key.
:58:59. > :59:01.The main event is the annual pruning of Sevnica's
:59:02. > :59:09.That I will faithfully execute the Office...