:00:38. > :00:51.The ayes to the right 329, the noes to the left 112.
:00:52. > :00:53.MPs vote overwhelming in favour of taking Britain out
:00:54. > :01:06.to go, but can anything now stand in the way of Brexit?
:01:07. > :01:08.David Davis is due to publish a White Paper
:01:09. > :01:11.What more will we learn about its approach to negotiations
:01:12. > :01:15.Earlier on today a woman rang the BBC to say there
:01:16. > :01:23.That's what the Bank of England's chief economist called the failure
:01:24. > :01:25.to predict the 2008 financial crisis.
:01:26. > :01:27.As the bank publishes its latest economic forecasts, will it admit
:01:28. > :01:30.to having had another one over Brexit?
:01:31. > :01:34.Well, that's one way to get our message across.
:01:35. > :01:50.We'll ask Labour MEP Seb Dance why he resorted to video-bombing.
:01:51. > :01:57.And with us for the duration today is man who used to respond
:01:58. > :01:59.to letters on behalf of Margaret Thatcher.
:02:00. > :02:02.So he should be able to cope with the questioning he'll get today.
:02:03. > :02:04.Former Conservative MP and Times Columnist Matthew Parris,
:02:05. > :02:15.Now, in the next 30 minutes or so, the Government will take another
:02:16. > :02:17.step towards leaving the EU. They have just published their Brexit
:02:18. > :02:34.White Paper the proposed strategy. The
:02:35. > :02:37.Government had resisted pressure only for Mrs made to announce it at
:02:38. > :02:39.Prime Minister's Questions last week.
:02:40. > :02:45.The White Paper is Theresa May's roadmap to leaving the EU and it's
:02:46. > :02:48.based on the speech Mrs May gave a couple of weeks ago,
:02:49. > :02:52.Crucially, she said Britain will take back control of all its laws
:02:53. > :02:54.and we will no longer be under the jurisdiction
:02:55. > :02:57.The UK will leave the European single market.
:02:58. > :03:00.This will mean immigration from the EU can be controlled.
:03:01. > :03:03.The Brexit Bill passed its first vote last night with 498 MPs voting
:03:04. > :03:09.Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn had ordered his MPs
:03:10. > :03:17.There was also a rebellion within the Lib Dems.
:03:18. > :03:20.Despite opposing the bill, two Liberal Democrat MPs
:03:21. > :03:26.The next obstacle in the road is when the bill goes to committee
:03:27. > :03:29.stage next week where MPs can make plenty of mischief,
:03:30. > :03:37.And then once it's through the Commons it goes to the Lords,
:03:38. > :03:40.where there are lots of pro-EU peers who can hold the bill
:03:41. > :03:46.Let's get more on the White Paper with Norman Smith,
:03:47. > :03:58.Is it going to tell us a lot more? I suspect not. I asked a cabinet
:03:59. > :04:02.minister this moniker is there anything newsworthy in the White
:04:03. > :04:08.Paper? He gave me a rueful shake off the head. I think we can take it
:04:09. > :04:13.will be a restatement of many of the arguments that Theresa May set out
:04:14. > :04:17.in her speech to EU ambassadors, padded out with background thinking
:04:18. > :04:22.and analysis. Basically, it will be a restatement full in terms of its
:04:23. > :04:29.political usefulness, the only thing I think it contributes is it gives
:04:30. > :04:35.some of Mrs made's Tory rebels the chance to say, we have got this
:04:36. > :04:39.concession out of her. She has given this white paper we have been
:04:40. > :04:44.pressing hard for. Conventionally, a white paper you often get a vote on
:04:45. > :04:49.as well. I doubt there will even be a vote on this. David Davis will set
:04:50. > :04:54.out but by and large it would be a rehash of what we know. Is anything
:04:55. > :05:02.standing in the way of this all going ahead? For now, here, no. Down
:05:03. > :05:08.the line and in Europe, yes. Given the vote last night where Mrs May
:05:09. > :05:12.had a majority of 384, a colossal majority got you have to say you are
:05:13. > :05:16.scratching your head why she was getting in such a state about
:05:17. > :05:23.allowing MPs vote in the first place. It had to be clawed out of
:05:24. > :05:27.her. Actually, the boat has significantly strengthened her hand.
:05:28. > :05:31.Now she can say, I have not only got the mandate of the British people
:05:32. > :05:37.through a referendum, low and behold I have the mandate of the Commons as
:05:38. > :05:41.well. Actually she is in a much stronger position than before when
:05:42. > :05:44.she was resisting a vote. Particularly because there are
:05:45. > :05:48.divisions and splits in the Labour Party despite Jeremy Corbyn setting
:05:49. > :05:57.out what the party line would be. There were 47 also MPs who rebelled,
:05:58. > :06:00.including those who are supposed to enforce party discipline. What can
:06:01. > :06:03.you say? It was a dog 's dinner. It is not just, it seems to me, the
:06:04. > :06:08.divisions which go right from the bottom to the top of the party. It
:06:09. > :06:13.is not even very clear about how the party will approach the final Brexit
:06:14. > :06:19.vote, once all the members have been considered. They have not ruled out
:06:20. > :06:22.the possibility of abstaining, that remains unclear. One other key issue
:06:23. > :06:29.bubbling around at Westminster is the position of Diane Abbott. Diane
:06:30. > :06:39.Abbott, one of Jeremy Corbyn's says political allies, did not take part
:06:40. > :06:41.in the vote last night. This morning her office said, she had a migraine,
:06:42. > :06:46.she was feeling unwell. That is why she did not take part. It transpires
:06:47. > :06:51.just down the road at 3:30pm, Diane Abbott was taking part in a debate
:06:52. > :06:56.and seemed pretty OK. It is absolutely true that migraines can
:06:57. > :07:01.come on very quickly. Obviously there is speculation that she
:07:02. > :07:06.bluntly through a sticky because she could not stomach voting for Brexit.
:07:07. > :07:10.Not such an outlandish idea because she had always been bitterly opposed
:07:11. > :07:15.to Mr Cobbing giving any ground on issues like immigration or freedom
:07:16. > :07:20.of movement and it is quite possible she did Inc, I cannot do this. --
:07:21. > :07:24.Jeremy Corbyn. Apologies if she is unwell but there is a suspicion that
:07:25. > :07:28.she did decide to liberally to not go ahead with it. If that were the
:07:29. > :07:33.case, that would suggest the divisions within Labour go through
:07:34. > :07:40.not just the Parliamentary party and the Shadow Cabinet but right into
:07:41. > :07:46.Jeremy Corbyn's inner sanctum. Let's hope the Mrs May does not give you a
:07:47. > :07:49.headache later on. The Bank of England has just announced it is
:07:50. > :07:57.upgrading its growth forecast next year to 2%.
:07:58. > :08:03.They downgraded forecasts for this year. It has now reversed that and
:08:04. > :08:08.is back to almost where it started. We'll be looking at that in a bit
:08:09. > :08:11.more detail when we have the details ourselves.
:08:12. > :08:13.With me now is Shadow Brexit Minister Paul Blomfield and John
:08:14. > :08:21.Now to the question the whole nation is desperate to get an answer to.
:08:22. > :08:29.How is Diane Abbott? It is interesting to know the nation's
:08:30. > :08:33.enthusiasm in answer to that. Not enthusiasm, concern. She will have
:08:34. > :08:39.to explain her own position. It is a common thing. You say it is beyond
:08:40. > :08:45.my pay grade on these things. Frankly, it is not for me to explain
:08:46. > :08:50.her actions. Sometimes she won't explain them herself to me. Is she
:08:51. > :08:59.unwell? Do we know? I have no idea. You will have to ask her. The nation
:09:00. > :09:03.will continue on tenterhooks. A fifth of your MPs defied the three
:09:04. > :09:06.line whip in the vote last night full stop there were a whole host of
:09:07. > :09:12.other boats coming up on these amendments and so on. Then there
:09:13. > :09:17.will be votes on the great repeal Bill. Ministers will come back and
:09:18. > :09:21.you will want to question them on how the negotiations are going. This
:09:22. > :09:27.has potential to be an enormous running sore foot labour. It is an
:09:28. > :09:30.enormous issue in terms of its importance to the country. That will
:09:31. > :09:38.be reflected in all of the debates in Parliament. These differences
:09:39. > :09:42.were very manifest yesterday. There are deep divisions within the
:09:43. > :09:52.Conservative Party as well. They had Ken Clarke. He was their rabble. Did
:09:53. > :09:56.you ever think you would see the day when you entered up more divided
:09:57. > :10:04.than the Tories used to be divided in Europe. There have been divisions
:10:05. > :10:08.over many years. Hence the referendum in 1975. I never hoped I
:10:09. > :10:11.would see the day when we would be voting to lead the European Union. I
:10:12. > :10:18.campaigned relentlessly to stay within it. Why would anyone with a
:10:19. > :10:24.strong view for or against Brexit vote Labour? Because this issue is
:10:25. > :10:35.about, who do you trust to take the country forward? If you want to stay
:10:36. > :10:40.in and defy the referendum, you want to vote Lib Dem, or the SNP. If you
:10:41. > :10:48.are desperate to come out, you vote Tory. What do you have to feel to do
:10:49. > :10:52.this? The Lib Dems are trying to occupy the moral high ground. Nick
:10:53. > :10:57.Clegg was the first person to call for an in/ out referendum. Let me
:10:58. > :11:05.answer your question. The real concern is that the tail will John
:11:06. > :11:09.Redwood represents, wagging the dog of the Conservative Party and
:11:10. > :11:21.leading the country towards Brexit. He is now the dog. He used to be the
:11:22. > :11:27.tail but he is now the dog. As a dog lover, I do not regard that as
:11:28. > :11:30.derogatory at all! What is the point of this white paper? It is a
:11:31. > :11:34.response to the request was that it was a very serious view of the SNP,
:11:35. > :11:38.quite a lot of Labour people and a few conservatives that needed a
:11:39. > :11:42.formal White Paper. The Government felt the very long and detailed
:11:43. > :11:46.analysis in the Prime Minister's beach that the argument but
:11:47. > :11:53.Parliament did not agree in some areas. We hear what you say. They
:11:54. > :11:59.are trying to bring the whole country together. If some people
:12:00. > :12:02.want more information, they will now have the White Paper. Will it tell
:12:03. > :12:08.us any more than what we learned in the Lancaster house speech? It will
:12:09. > :12:14.have a bit more in it but the fundamentals were set out in the
:12:15. > :12:19.Prime Minister's speech. I thought it was a great speech, extremely
:12:20. > :12:24.detailed. You have won every argument. This is not about me. I
:12:25. > :12:31.meant your side. It is about a Brexit that will work. The Leave
:12:32. > :12:33.campaign have been very careful to explain you could not be in the
:12:34. > :12:38.single market if you were leaving the EU. That is something the two
:12:39. > :12:47.campaigns agreed about. The remaining campaign went around the
:12:48. > :12:51.country pointing out this fact. -- Remain campaign. There was still
:12:52. > :12:56.some doubts amongst clever people that we might be able to stay in the
:12:57. > :13:00.single market. It is simply not in offer. I am trying to avoid
:13:01. > :13:06.litigating the referendum again, so I won't go down that alleyway you
:13:07. > :13:12.have opened for me. What is the most important amendment you would like
:13:13. > :13:16.to see to Article 50? We have tabled a number. We need to get a
:13:17. > :13:21.meaningful vote at the end of the process. Can you explain to our
:13:22. > :13:25.viewers, a meaningful vote at the end of the process, what are we
:13:26. > :13:30.talking about? We do not want to vote at a point where it is take it
:13:31. > :13:35.or leave it. We want to be able to vote at the point at which we can
:13:36. > :13:41.say to the Government, we need to go back and do better. I think this
:13:42. > :13:46.whole Mrs May, High Court, Supreme Court, should MPs decide not issue
:13:47. > :13:50.is a red herring. There is nothing to be decided at the moment.
:13:51. > :13:54.Everybody has agreed the result of the referendum means we should
:13:55. > :13:58.negotiate terms for leaving. The real issue and what Mrs May wants to
:13:59. > :14:03.avoid is exactly the one you suggest. MPs might get involved at
:14:04. > :14:09.the end of the process. So far, all the Government can do is issue a
:14:10. > :14:13.wish list. This White Paper will be another item on the wish list was
:14:14. > :14:16.that were MPs to get involved then, that would be a serious problem for
:14:17. > :14:24.the Government. Would it? Would it have fears for you? I do not think
:14:25. > :14:29.it is a problem to keep the House properly informed. I agree with the
:14:30. > :14:34.implication. If you are in intense negotiations and some of it is
:14:35. > :14:38.probably secret, a lot of them will be leaked in ways that suit people
:14:39. > :14:42.leaking them rather than giving an accurate view of what is going on,
:14:43. > :14:45.it is necessary to trust your negotiators and see what is the best
:14:46. > :14:50.deal they can do and then able bring that back and tell us. I would urge
:14:51. > :14:53.everybody that it is in the national interest whether you remain or leave
:14:54. > :14:58.that you get the best possible relationship with the EU when you
:14:59. > :15:05.leave. In order to do that, you have to trust your government to some
:15:06. > :15:07.extent. If you are highlighting what could go wrong, what are the alleged
:15:08. > :15:13.weaknesses in the British position, that undermines our negotiators. You
:15:14. > :15:18.are saying, as we come to the end of the process, we have the main
:15:19. > :15:23.outlines of the deal that has been done but not yet signed, I think, is
:15:24. > :15:27.what you're saying is that what it is? The Government says, this is
:15:28. > :15:29.what we have negotiated. This is it. We come to you to get of Parliament
:15:30. > :15:39.to sign this deal. That is right and that is the right
:15:40. > :15:43.way to do it. The government has said when it finally has a political
:15:44. > :15:46.agreement with its former partners in the commission then we will get a
:15:47. > :15:50.vote on the house and whether we would like to accept that or whether
:15:51. > :15:58.it would be better not to. A lot of us thinking that leaving as we are
:15:59. > :16:02.is fine, we don't think there is any great problem with that. We think it
:16:03. > :16:05.gives you good access to the single market but you can get even better
:16:06. > :16:12.access and that is what the negotiation will be about. Access is
:16:13. > :16:17.key and John was wrong when he said that no Leave campaigners said we
:16:18. > :16:25.should be in the single market, one of his campaigners was a very clear.
:16:26. > :16:30.Boris Johnson and Michael Gove as well as David Cameron and George
:16:31. > :16:36.Osborne made it clear that leaving the EU meant ceasing to be a member
:16:37. > :16:42.of the single market. Many of those seeking to seal the votes said very
:16:43. > :16:46.differently but the question is what other benefits and that is why this
:16:47. > :16:51.is important, in the house the other week David Davis said he wanted the
:16:52. > :16:55.exact same benefits as being in the single market. The benchmark for the
:16:56. > :17:01.deal. If he does not achieve it we need the right to reject it. To
:17:02. > :17:05.answer John's points directly, if we have a vote right at the end of the
:17:06. > :17:13.process when the Prime Minister has the pain in her hand, shall I sign
:17:14. > :17:18.it or not, and Parliament Parliament says no, we are in an entirely new
:17:19. > :17:21.situation. We might be thrown out, the European Union might come back
:17:22. > :17:25.and say as your Parliament does not want to leave can recall the whole
:17:26. > :17:30.thing off? We don't know what situation it would bring and that is
:17:31. > :17:34.what Theresa May is afraid of. There is no way they can turn around and
:17:35. > :17:37.deny our Article 50 letter announcing withdrawal and there is
:17:38. > :17:42.no way that Parliament can suddenly reversed the enormous majorities we
:17:43. > :17:49.have had on two separate occasions when we debated this matter to the
:17:50. > :17:53.wishes of the British people. The issues going on from here are about
:17:54. > :17:58.what kind of new relationship do we want. We want the best possible,
:17:59. > :18:07.close as possible... What happens Parliament doesn't like the deal?
:18:08. > :18:12.They can see no. It will of course lead on to negotiating all sorts of
:18:13. > :18:18.things. But you will be out of the European Union. You are not saying
:18:19. > :18:23.that if you vote to reject this you leave on WTO rules, you are saying
:18:24. > :18:28.if you vote to reject this either we don't leave for we try to get a
:18:29. > :18:31.better deal if the Europeans agree? That is exactly right because it's
:18:32. > :18:35.not acceptable for the Prime Minister to hold a gun to the head
:18:36. > :18:40.of parliament and there will be two votes, the vote on the divorce
:18:41. > :18:44.settlement in relation to Article 50 but there should be a vote on the
:18:45. > :18:46.future terms, the terms of our future relationship and that is
:18:47. > :18:54.critical and it has to be meaningful. Well, I'm sorry, we need
:18:55. > :18:58.to move on, you'll probably want to hear the report of the Bank of
:18:59. > :18:59.England so I'm going to have to cut you all off. Every dog has its day
:19:00. > :19:04.we move on. Now in the last few minutes
:19:05. > :19:07.the Bank of England have published their quarterly inflation
:19:08. > :19:09.report with their predictions Let's talk to our Economics Editor,
:19:10. > :19:20.Kamal Ahmed, who is at the bank. Is this another Michael Fish moment
:19:21. > :19:28.when the Bank of England got it wrong about its proposed Brexit
:19:29. > :19:33.slump? We could use a bed of Michael Fish with the weather here this
:19:34. > :19:39.afternoon. It is a very substantial upgrade. Let's go through the last
:19:40. > :19:44.three inflation reports produced since the referendum, in August it
:19:45. > :19:56.was sort of peak gloom from the bank. It slashed its growth forecast
:19:57. > :20:01.for 2017 down to zero point 8%, down by 1.2%. Its next quarterly
:20:02. > :20:06.inflation report in November increased that forecast to 1.4%, one
:20:07. > :20:14.of the fastest increases the bank had ever given to a forecast. And
:20:15. > :20:20.then today it's done the same again. 1.4% up to 2% growth this year. It
:20:21. > :20:24.is now looking, many critics will say that August inflation report was
:20:25. > :20:30.simply far too gloomy about the effects of Brexit on consumers, on
:20:31. > :20:35.businesses, and of course seemed to believe that the simple vote for
:20:36. > :20:40.Brexit would affect the economy rather than the actual exit from the
:20:41. > :20:45.European Union. There are a couple of mitigating factors of course,
:20:46. > :20:48.there has been stimulus pumped into the economy since the referendum,
:20:49. > :20:53.the bank itself cutting interest rates and the Autumn Statement also
:20:54. > :20:55.said that deficit reduction targets would be loosened and there would be
:20:56. > :21:08.more stimulus for infrastructure. So the
:21:09. > :21:10.bank will say that has happened so the economy is now performing better
:21:11. > :21:13.but Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England will be braced for
:21:14. > :21:16.another day of pretty hefty criticism. But we should of course
:21:17. > :21:20.remember that we have not yet left the European Union and the bank is
:21:21. > :21:25.warning that the inflation risk is coming through because of the
:21:26. > :21:30.decline in the value of sterling and that could eat into real incomes and
:21:31. > :21:37.also a slightly more hawkish feel on interest rates as inflation rises,
:21:38. > :21:41.as the economy strengthens, will the bank start looking at raising those
:21:42. > :21:45.historically low rates which have been kept today at 0.25%. Thank you
:21:46. > :21:51.Kamal had Why has the set of
:21:52. > :21:55.the Daily Politics, complete with figures of Andrew
:21:56. > :21:58.and me, been built in Lego? Was it a) a BBC cost
:21:59. > :22:00.cutting measure... b) the programme features
:22:01. > :22:03.in the sequel to The Lego Movie... c) to promote Paisley's bid
:22:04. > :22:06.to become City of Culture in 2021... At the end of the show Matthew
:22:07. > :22:17.will give us the correct answer. he is looking puzzled.
:22:18. > :22:22.Deeply. We've been waiting almost 50 years
:22:23. > :22:25.for a decision on where to build a third airport runway in the south
:22:26. > :22:28.east of England, and today the Government finally published
:22:29. > :22:30.more detail on its plans to expand It marks the start of a 16 week
:22:31. > :22:34.consultation period when critics of the plan will no doubt
:22:35. > :22:37.make their views heard. After that, MPs will have the chance
:22:38. > :22:40.to scrutinise the proposals - before a final vote either
:22:41. > :22:42.later this year or next. Earlier this morning,
:22:43. > :22:44.the Transport Secretary Chris Grayling set out the Government's
:22:45. > :22:52.case for backing Heathrow. Unless we take action every London
:22:53. > :22:55.airport is forecast to be full by 2040 and almost entirely
:22:56. > :22:57.full by 2030. Doing nothing is no longer a choice
:22:58. > :23:00.we can afford to make. Without expansion constraints
:23:01. > :23:02.on the aviation sector would impose increasing costs on the rest
:23:03. > :23:05.of the economy over time, lowering economic output by making
:23:06. > :23:07.aviation more expensive and less With knock-on effects
:23:08. > :23:12.in lost trade, tourism Mr Speaker this government believes
:23:13. > :23:17.that a new Northwest runway at Heathrow best delivers the need
:23:18. > :23:21.for additional airports capacity and the draft airports national
:23:22. > :23:23.policy statement sets out this And we're joined now
:23:24. > :23:35.by the Conservative MP, Kwasi Kwarteng, who's in favour
:23:36. > :23:37.of Heathrow's expansion, and Labour's Andy Slaughter,
:23:38. > :23:39.who has campaigned against it. We asked to speak to a minister
:23:40. > :23:49.but were told no-one was available. Kwasi Kwarteng, is there any chance
:23:50. > :23:53.now that there won't be a runway, a third runway at Heathrow? We have
:23:54. > :23:59.two C, as your piece described we have had this debate for 50 years so
:24:00. > :24:05.you cannot say this will never happen but this is the clearest
:24:06. > :24:10.indication we have had in years. A 16 week consultation period, at that
:24:11. > :24:17.period goes the way of the government, it is a statutory
:24:18. > :24:21.requirement, why does not then move, why doesn't it start? We have to get
:24:22. > :24:27.a vote through Parliament and I think that will go through without
:24:28. > :24:32.any controversy. I also feel that people feel that it's long overdue,
:24:33. > :24:37.this action. But the vote might not be until next year? I think it might
:24:38. > :24:41.be this autumn because there are other things which will take
:24:42. > :24:48.Parliament 's time. I think it will be this year. Is it your aim still
:24:49. > :24:54.to stop it or try to make it more acceptable? We aim to stop it. It's
:24:55. > :25:00.a 30 year campaign in west London against Heathrow expansion, it is an
:25:01. > :25:04.important major driver of the economy but an extra quarter of a
:25:05. > :25:07.million flights over one of the most densely populated areas anywhere and
:25:08. > :25:16.all the problems which have not been resolved. They don't have any
:25:17. > :25:22.answers on the key issues of noise, air quality, congestion, on the
:25:23. > :25:26.roads and public transport in the area. Those are unresolvable
:25:27. > :25:33.problems. The government says there will be a legally binding noise
:25:34. > :25:38.limit, a ban of six and a half hours on night flights and it has to
:25:39. > :25:44.ensure current levels of atmospheric pollution are not exceeded. We have
:25:45. > :25:47.heard are of this before. Every promises always broken. Chris
:25:48. > :25:52.Grayling himself says he is a gut instinct politician, it's why the
:25:53. > :26:00.justice system is in a terrible position because he made lots of
:26:01. > :26:04.decisions which had to be reversed. Are these legitimate? They are, it
:26:05. > :26:07.would be wrong to say there are no problems and we can just go and
:26:08. > :26:12.bulldoze our way to a solution. But clearly the endless debate, the
:26:13. > :26:17.almost theological nature of this discussion without conclusion has to
:26:18. > :26:21.end. The government has to be commended for taking a robust
:26:22. > :26:25.stance. I think you're right about environmental safeguards and I think
:26:26. > :26:29.they can be resolved. A lot of the noise pollution we saw in the 80s
:26:30. > :26:34.and early 90s in terms of the aircraft can be mitigated. With the
:26:35. > :26:39.development of technology we can go some way to addressing a lot of
:26:40. > :26:43.these concerns. Noise pollution has been going down for a long time from
:26:44. > :26:48.aircraft and green transport to and from airports is going up and can go
:26:49. > :26:52.up. But I think there is a reason why it may not happen, I am in
:26:53. > :26:56.favour of it but I think a reason it might not happen which has not been
:26:57. > :27:01.much discussed is it has to be financed and has not been much of
:27:02. > :27:07.that. The airport is paying for most of it and the taxpayer I assume pay
:27:08. > :27:11.for a chunk of the necessary infrastructure? We need to look at
:27:12. > :27:15.the figures before we can be sure. I think that's a good point about the
:27:16. > :27:20.infrastructure, the roads on the trains and services to the airport.
:27:21. > :27:24.In terms of the third runway itself, my understanding was that would be
:27:25. > :27:29.privately financed and the company could issue a bond to pay for
:27:30. > :27:33.reconstruction and development. Is it not the case, your concerns
:27:34. > :27:40.notwithstanding, there is a clear majority in the Commons for this? It
:27:41. > :27:45.depends what you mean by for this? With reservations, but those are the
:27:46. > :27:49.problems which need to be resolved. Labour policy is to say certain
:27:50. > :27:52.tests have to be met including the environmental tests and those are
:27:53. > :27:58.not being met. Matthew is right about the financing, up to ?20
:27:59. > :28:05.billion of public money needed to do this. The decision was made last
:28:06. > :28:07.time and it emerged the benefits of Heathrow had been grossly
:28:08. > :28:11.exaggerated. Had they built at Gatwick it would've been simple,
:28:12. > :28:17.straightforward and cheaper and it would have happened. Heathrow is so
:28:18. > :28:20.complex and expensive. Can I ask, you said earlier it is unacceptable
:28:21. > :28:25.that large number of aircraft should be flying across densely populated
:28:26. > :28:31.areas, I take it you are in favour of Heathrow completely? It's a deal,
:28:32. > :28:37.you would not have put Heathrow there but it is there now. The first
:28:38. > :28:42.thing I said is that the solution of Boris Johnson is mad. It provides a
:28:43. > :28:46.lot of jobs and drives the economy but there are many new communities
:28:47. > :28:51.who will be an flight paths for the first time and its 250,000
:28:52. > :28:56.additional flights. No other city in the Western world would put up with
:28:57. > :28:59.this. I think that position is inherently flawed because the
:29:00. > :29:05.economy is expanding so either Heathrow contracts physically or
:29:06. > :29:11.stays the same. He thinks it should stay the same and I think that's
:29:12. > :29:15.nonsense for the hub airport to stay the same whilst the rest of the
:29:16. > :29:19.world grows at 3% per year. If this is about as making our way in the
:29:20. > :29:23.world, you would either close down Heathrow and build a new hub or he
:29:24. > :29:29.would expand it, you would not just keep it frozen until kingdom come. I
:29:30. > :29:33.don't think anybody thinks hub airports are applicable, it might
:29:34. > :29:36.work to Dubai but in London you have a massive area of London and the
:29:37. > :29:42.south-east which need more than one major airport. Which European
:29:43. > :29:48.economy doesn't have one? You have more than one major airport in New
:29:49. > :29:57.York. I said European. You can have lots in America because it's huge.
:29:58. > :30:02.Paris. I follow this very carefully. Charles de Gaulle is a hub airport,
:30:03. > :30:11.it has also trebled the number of runways it has. Ship all is the
:30:12. > :30:17.same, as is Madrid. You are not comparing like with like. Yes
:30:18. > :30:22.Heathrow will remain a major airport as it is, but I don't think you need
:30:23. > :30:25.a super hub. You need an number of airports, you already have five
:30:26. > :30:31.serving London and some of those... There is a huge growth in
:30:32. > :30:36.point-to-point traffic. Lets cut to the chase, Andrew is a good
:30:37. > :30:40.constituency MP and in his constituency... Do not patronise
:30:41. > :30:48.me... Your constituency is? Hammersmith. There are a lot of
:30:49. > :30:52.constituency MPs making capable arguments against it. In the
:30:53. > :30:56.national interest, even the SNP are onside, this is one area of
:30:57. > :31:03.government policy the SMP support the government. Because they want
:31:04. > :31:07.more flights into Heathrow. I am not saying it's not a valid reason,
:31:08. > :31:10.because a lot of the domestic flights over the years have been
:31:11. > :31:14.squeezed out of Heathrow because there is no room and they are not as
:31:15. > :31:20.profitable on the landing charges as the long haul flights. Absolutely
:31:21. > :31:22.right and I think the house as a whole, forgive me almost certainly
:31:23. > :31:28.vote for Heathrow with a big majority. Birmingham will be 30
:31:29. > :31:33.minutes from here when each is too is built, we are looking at a narrow
:31:34. > :31:38.issue, it's about more than Heathrow. Kiwi we better leave it
:31:39. > :31:43.there. The date continues for another 50 years!
:31:44. > :31:45.Now, is the Government preparing to use international
:31:46. > :31:49.As we prepare for a post-Brexit world, the department
:31:50. > :31:52.for international development has unveiled a new economic strategy.
:31:53. > :31:56.But with tight restrictions on how aid can be dispensed,
:31:57. > :31:58.what can the Government expect in return?
:31:59. > :32:06.Part of David Cameron's legacy was a fixed international aid budget
:32:07. > :32:10.that guaranteed independence of its department and promised to
:32:11. > :32:17.When Priti Patel was appointed to run the department
:32:18. > :32:22.by his successor Theresa May it raised eyebrows as she once called
:32:23. > :32:29.Visiting Kenya last year, Priti Patel said aid could be used
:32:30. > :32:36.British soft power is exactly where our aid and other
:32:37. > :32:38.relationships around the world can come together to deliver
:32:39. > :32:41.in our national interest and deliver for Britain when it comes to free
:32:42. > :32:43.trade arrangements, free trade agreements
:32:44. > :32:55.This week she launched a new economic strategy
:32:56. > :32:57.to boost the economies for the world's poorest countries.
:32:58. > :33:00.She wants better trading partners for the UK and to boost
:33:01. > :33:03.the City of London's role in the developing world.
:33:04. > :33:06.Owen Barder was once in charge of Development and Effectiveness
:33:07. > :33:08.at the Department for International Development.
:33:09. > :33:12.The good news is this is a shift to fixing jobs and growth
:33:13. > :33:15.in the developing world and that's what they need and we
:33:16. > :33:23.The risk is that this is seen as a way of using aid money to help
:33:24. > :33:29.British business rather than to help developing countries industrialise.
:33:30. > :33:31.That isn't just a theoretical risk, we've seen that
:33:32. > :33:35.One famous example was over 20 years ago and the eye wateringly
:33:36. > :33:41.British aid money was siphoned off as part of an arms deal
:33:42. > :33:46.Anti-poverty campaigners warn of the dangers of big
:33:47. > :33:51.British businesses going into developing countries.
:33:52. > :33:55.That could be a good thing but it could certainly be a very bad thing
:33:56. > :33:58.if the regulatory framework is not in place in those countries to use
:33:59. > :34:00.that money, that wealth that's brought in to the benefit
:34:01. > :34:03.of its citizens, particularly its poorest citizens.
:34:04. > :34:05.The Department for International Development has been a department
:34:06. > :34:11.Before that it was a part of the Foreign Office
:34:12. > :34:12.for most of the 70s, 80s and 90s.
:34:13. > :34:15.That change was made to stop short term political and economic
:34:16. > :34:18.objectives influencing it aims of poverty reduction
:34:19. > :34:28.Grant Shapps was at one time a minister at both
:34:29. > :34:29.the Foreign Office and Department for International
:34:30. > :34:35.He was surprised by what his access to confidential papers
:34:36. > :34:38.in both departments at the same time revealed.
:34:39. > :34:42.On one hand we would be trying to get consular access to half
:34:43. > :34:45.a dozen Brits illegally locked up in a country and then on the other
:34:46. > :34:48.side, literally in my other ministerial box from the other
:34:49. > :34:53.department, we would be signing off half ?1 billion
:34:54. > :35:09.Ministers should either be routinely joint and serve in both departments
:35:10. > :35:13.to get a proper view of what is really going on, or we go
:35:14. > :35:16.The former minister said four current Cabinet
:35:17. > :35:19.The department simply said intensifying development efforts
:35:20. > :35:20.was the key to an outward looking Britain.
:35:21. > :35:22.And I'm joined now by the Conservative MP,
:35:23. > :35:24.Peter Bone, and the former International Development Minister
:35:25. > :35:35.Welcome to both of you. Where you disappointed that one of Mrs May's
:35:36. > :35:40.first acts was to renew your party bus back to spending .7% of GDP on
:35:41. > :35:44.aid? I am never disappointed with our excellent Prime Minister. It was
:35:45. > :35:50.an act of Parliament and she was bound to support it. Does it solve
:35:51. > :35:54.the problem? I do not think aid is the solution, I think trade is the
:35:55. > :35:58.solution. Coming out of the EU gives a great chance to allow developing
:35:59. > :36:04.countries to trade with this country. You do not support it. You
:36:05. > :36:08.would not have a target or commitment at all? I think it is
:36:09. > :36:13.ridiculous. I think whatever government spending needs to be
:36:14. > :36:18.focused on the need for it. We are the biggest donor of aid in the
:36:19. > :36:24.world. Anyone to topic is America with President Trump. So, you would
:36:25. > :36:33.increase it? Talking about trade rather than aid... When we took over
:36:34. > :36:38.in 1997, we changed it from a Foreign Aid Department to the
:36:39. > :36:41.Foreign Office. It deals with trade and investment. When I was a
:36:42. > :36:49.minister, I was on a number of boards of developments to look at
:36:50. > :36:54.ways to invest in developing countries. Incidentally, I want the
:36:55. > :36:59.Department for International to and to be abolished. I want it to be
:37:00. > :37:05.abolished. What would you like in its place? I want it successful. We
:37:06. > :37:10.aim to get poverty out of every country in the world. Now we have
:37:11. > :37:14.done it in Latin America. It is happening in Asia. Most of the
:37:15. > :37:19.countries in Asia are no longer poor. We still need to do in Africa.
:37:20. > :37:23.We need to get money and education into Africa. Money into the health
:37:24. > :37:27.service in Africa, so we can trade with them. They would become richer
:37:28. > :37:34.countries and we do not need international development. There are
:37:35. > :37:39.risks associated to linking aid, or international aid money, to securing
:37:40. > :37:43.trade deals, aren't there? Yes. I do not think that is what we should be
:37:44. > :37:49.doing. I am saying we should be opening our markets. With that of
:37:50. > :37:52.having a 600% Harrop on an agricultural product, allow the
:37:53. > :38:00.developing countries to sell in. -- tariff. Coffee goes into Germany as
:38:01. > :38:06.a raw product. It is the Germans who process it. If they were to process
:38:07. > :38:10.it in Africa, they are hit with a huge tariff. Get rid of the tariffs
:38:11. > :38:18.and those countries will prosper and we will not have to give so much in
:38:19. > :38:28.aid. You are old enough to remember the per gal damn scandal. It had no
:38:29. > :38:34.development value at all. Money was put into it because of pressure from
:38:35. > :38:44.the construction company. That is completely wrong. They certainly do
:38:45. > :38:51.not want to do that again. That is an interesting rewriting of that
:38:52. > :39:00.history. This did highlight the dangers of linking aid to trade
:39:01. > :39:08.deals. It was deemed to be unlawful. Is it not one of the risks? It can
:39:09. > :39:12.be taken too far. This is a muddy issue. Pergau Dam and a kind of
:39:13. > :39:16.thing is an example of how if you link to narrowly to commercial
:39:17. > :39:20.interests, things can go wrong. In a country like our own, if you are
:39:21. > :39:26.shelling out large sums of money to foreign countries, we do want to
:39:27. > :39:44.help our own industry, our own exporters. I agree in the
:39:45. > :39:54.abolition of Dfid. It has drifted into terrible Chacon. It has had
:39:55. > :39:58.ministers in charge who do not believe what it is doing and what it
:39:59. > :40:02.should not be doing that when Clare Short and I were there, it did what
:40:03. > :40:07.we wanted. We really created a development department. Is there not
:40:08. > :40:13.a contradiction that has been raised by Andrew Mitchell and Grant Shapps,
:40:14. > :40:16.who said if you have an international aid department doing
:40:17. > :40:19.something in a country like Yemen and the Foreign Office doing
:40:20. > :40:25.something completely different, then, again, you have a problem with
:40:26. > :40:30.your policy? That does not happen very often. I have been in a lot of
:40:31. > :40:35.the countries when I was minister. I met the ambassador. They help to
:40:36. > :40:38.coordinate work. Very often the development people are situated in
:40:39. > :40:42.the embassy and work very closely with the Foreign Office. I think
:40:43. > :40:48.they are isolated examples. I agree they should not happen. Do you think
:40:49. > :40:55.the .7 commitment will last? No, it will not. Hang on a minute. If you
:40:56. > :41:02.are right and all that wonderful work had been done, we would not
:41:03. > :41:09.have an international to the agency giving 12 billion, 13 billion, ?14
:41:10. > :41:13.billion? It is going to go up and up and is 50% more than it was a few
:41:14. > :41:18.years ago. If you were right, it would have worked and we would not
:41:19. > :41:22.have all of these countries. It has not worked because you are doling
:41:23. > :41:27.money out. Open your markets up so they can trade. I want to ask you.
:41:28. > :41:33.You said something earlier, it worked in Asia and you would do the
:41:34. > :41:37.same in Africa. Which Asian country has escaped poverty thanks to
:41:38. > :41:47.international aid. I do not think any of them have escape poverty.
:41:48. > :41:52.Which one is wealthier thanks to international aid? I think both
:41:53. > :41:57.India and China... China? In some of the poorest parts in China, work has
:41:58. > :42:07.been done in some of the poorest provinces which has helped. George's
:42:08. > :42:12.former colleague in the House of Commons, Frank Field used to say the
:42:13. > :42:15.problem of the poor is that they do not have enough money. The problem
:42:16. > :42:20.of the poor in the developing world as they do not have enough -- enough
:42:21. > :42:25.money. I am in favour of schemes giving money directly to the poor.
:42:26. > :42:28.We are doing that. Education and the health service in Africa are the
:42:29. > :42:33.priorities. Money is going to lead to the Government to educate
:42:34. > :42:41.children. No, not to the Government. Particularly girls. We need to move
:42:42. > :42:43.on. We leave it there. Another country that also need aid, but
:42:44. > :42:47.probably in a different way. Now, is the man who was thought
:42:48. > :42:51.to be the front runner in this year's French Presidential elections
:42:52. > :42:54.about to be forced out of the race? Francois Fillon is embroiled
:42:55. > :42:57.in scandal after accusations that he paid hundreds of thousands
:42:58. > :42:59.of euros to his wife So it's shaping up to be a pretty
:43:00. > :43:04.unpredictable contest. Benoit Hamon has been compared
:43:05. > :43:14.to Jeremy Corbyn and US Democrat candidate Bernie Sanders owing
:43:15. > :43:20.to his rebel status. He beat the favourite, Manuel Valls,
:43:21. > :43:26.to become the candidate for France's Socialist Party,
:43:27. > :43:32.which has been weakened by the unpopularity of the current
:43:33. > :43:34.Socialist president, He is not standing again for
:43:35. > :43:42.re-election. His policies include plans
:43:43. > :43:45.to introduce a 32-hour working week Francois Fillon is a former Prime
:43:46. > :43:52.Minister once called "Mr Nobody", who became the surprise winner
:43:53. > :44:07.of the centre-right Republican Among others he beat Nicolas
:44:08. > :44:09.Sarkozy, who had been president before.
:44:10. > :44:11.But he's been engulfed by scandal over large
:44:12. > :44:13.payments to his Welsh wife, Penelope, who Mr Fillon
:44:14. > :44:16.claims worked as his parliamentary assistant.
:44:17. > :44:22.People are still finding it hard to work out what she actually did. His
:44:23. > :44:24.children were also in different ways on the payroll as well.
:44:25. > :44:27.He's put forward a radical programme to roll back the state by raising
:44:28. > :44:32.the pension age to 65 and slashing public sector employment
:44:33. > :44:43.He does not talk so much about that now.
:44:44. > :44:44.Benefitting from Francois Fillon's woes is the far-right
:44:45. > :44:48.She's pledged a referendum on France's membership of the EU.
:44:49. > :44:50.But she's also targeted voters disillusioned
:44:51. > :45:00.by the traditional left, with plans to lower
:45:01. > :45:08.the retirement age to 60 and bolster public services.
:45:09. > :45:10.Emmanuel Macron was unknown in French politics until he became
:45:11. > :45:16.Francois Hollande's Economy Minister in 2014.
:45:17. > :45:23.He has fashioned his own cross-party organisation, En Marche!,
:45:24. > :45:31.taking policies from both the left and right.
:45:32. > :45:34.He is a former Rothschild investment banker.
:45:35. > :45:36.He would scrap France's 35-hour working week for younger workers
:45:37. > :45:43.but make older workers work fewer hours.
:45:44. > :45:57.These are the main runners and riders, there are many more but
:45:58. > :45:58.these are the top format. -- the top four.
:45:59. > :46:01.We're joined now by the French journalist and commentator
:46:02. > :46:19.Let me ask you about Francois Fillon, is he below the water line
:46:20. > :46:22.now? There is a sense of panic. The first to do primary is where the
:46:23. > :46:28.socialist at the last election, and it was the first time the
:46:29. > :46:32.centre-right did them and they were very successful, 4 million voters.
:46:33. > :46:43.It was a democratic success but a huge surprise since four months, he
:46:44. > :46:47.was thought to be the frontrunner and the next French president.
:46:48. > :46:53.However the person who actually beaten comfortably was Francois
:46:54. > :46:58.Fillon, the former Mr nobody with the Welsh wife. I am trying to move
:46:59. > :47:06.forward is to find out, more revelations coming out this week,
:47:07. > :47:12.Torquay may to stand down, he said prosecutors moved against him, he
:47:13. > :47:17.said he would stand down but he is fighting it at the moment, will he
:47:18. > :47:23.survive? The answer to that is nobody knows. He believes he will,
:47:24. > :47:27.he has asked for 15 days grace from his party who as recently as last
:47:28. > :47:32.night in Parliament were seeing the absolutely back him. He is saying it
:47:33. > :47:39.is a plot from the media. And the Socialist party he said. Yes, but
:47:40. > :47:47.not only. He says it's almost a coup d'etat against him. I have a couple
:47:48. > :47:52.of other things, if he does stand down, will the Republicans have to
:47:53. > :47:55.have another primary? There are many scenarios, that one would take too
:47:56. > :48:01.long, there is no alternative plan and that is the crucial question.
:48:02. > :48:08.But I understand as of right now he cannot last another 15 days, it is
:48:09. > :48:12.thought, and the man who ruled himself out two days ago and as
:48:13. > :48:18.recently as last night is now being approached by senior members of the
:48:19. > :48:25.party to say he should think again. We don't have much time, let me come
:48:26. > :48:31.to the Socialists, they have chosen, against all expectations, by far the
:48:32. > :48:37.most left wing of the primary candidates. A kind of Jeremy Corbyn.
:48:38. > :48:42.And more I would suggest, even Jeremy Corbyn has not suggested
:48:43. > :48:47.taxing robots. But it did not matter who they chose, the social list does
:48:48. > :48:53.not get through to the second round? You have to put that now in a
:48:54. > :49:00.different tense. Didn't. Because of the situation which is unfolding,
:49:01. > :49:11.huge programme tonight, French media have found an extract of Penelope
:49:12. > :49:20.saying she never worked for her husband Francois Fillon. Then he's
:49:21. > :49:26.toast. It sounds like it. In that game on. Benoit Hamon has just spent
:49:27. > :49:29.an hour with the French president, OK the president did not come out
:49:30. > :49:38.and greet him which means it's not a straight ballet. He recently had a
:49:39. > :49:45.4% approval rating, the president, so I don't understand how that
:49:46. > :49:49.helps? Because there will be a really of information and next week
:49:50. > :49:55.we could see, all bets are off to stop that is great because it makes
:49:56. > :49:58.it unpredictable but even if it is unpredictable all the polling would
:49:59. > :50:05.suggest that you get into the second round for the play-off is going to
:50:06. > :50:10.be between the Republican candidate, Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron.
:50:11. > :50:14.That is right, the extraordinary situation, you cannot underline it
:50:15. > :50:20.enough, and elected, people thought it was a bubble and would not last,
:50:21. > :50:24.so could this and elected former banker become the next French
:50:25. > :50:29.president? It is possible. There is a French phenomenon you are aware of
:50:30. > :50:32.which is what is called the Republican pact, in brands unlike in
:50:33. > :50:42.the naked states there are two rounds so people bought protest --
:50:43. > :50:45.in France, unlike in the United States, there are two rounds so
:50:46. > :51:02.people vote in protest in the first round. It is interesting in this
:51:03. > :51:06.year that many of us thought could be the year of European insurgency,
:51:07. > :51:14.the phenomenon of Brexit and Donald Trump coming to European elections,
:51:15. > :51:20.it is possible France will elect a centrist, mainstream president. Last
:51:21. > :51:24.week I placed a substantial bet on Emmanuel Macron. It seems not only
:51:25. > :51:28.could he capture the centre but he will be attractive to the left given
:51:29. > :51:37.that the left have elected a fairly mad candidate of their own. So from
:51:38. > :51:44.his position... I would say radical. Is he not considered independent? He
:51:45. > :51:48.is saying he is not right for left and right now it is possible he
:51:49. > :51:52.would be. I know the Anglo-Saxon press, not this programme, love to
:51:53. > :52:02.believe France will have a Marine Le Pen president. I have not seen that.
:52:03. > :52:06.I am sure you have not. Name one. I am talking about the press, in
:52:07. > :52:13.general terms. I keep talking about Marine Le Pen, I keep being asked
:52:14. > :52:21.about her which is the point. If it is Emmanuel Macron which is still
:52:22. > :52:26.unpredictable, he will not have any MP's in Parliament. This is where he
:52:27. > :52:32.is trying to already, and he desperately needs to do that, in
:52:33. > :52:42.terms of his support. He needs to get people on board. He does not
:52:43. > :52:47.have a party, he has a movement. We are in uncharted territory. The
:52:48. > :52:53.parliamentary elections are? Weeks later. The second round is on May
:52:54. > :52:57.the 7th to determine the president and a couple of weeks after that and
:52:58. > :53:04.new parliament is elected, he will not be able to run MPs, deputies for
:53:05. > :53:09.that assembly. Well, you know, that is reasoning how things have been in
:53:10. > :53:12.the past. What we are witnessing, I think what we saw with Brexit and
:53:13. > :53:18.have just seen with Donald Trump, and what we are seeing in France,
:53:19. > :53:25.French voters did not want former presidents, they did not want a
:53:26. > :53:31.rerun of the previous election. They did not want Francois Hollande who
:53:32. > :53:37.is somewhat regretting not running now apparently but I don't know why.
:53:38. > :53:42.Too late! Yes, and the fact is that by the 9th of March which is another
:53:43. > :53:47.important point, by the 9th of March who ever is going to stand for the
:53:48. > :53:52.French centre-right has to have not only said an approved candidate but
:53:53. > :53:59.have 500 signatures of Mayor or MPs and the question is open. We have
:54:00. > :54:05.two stop it the cause we are out of time, but we will come back to it
:54:06. > :54:13.because it is just as interesting as the American election. Briefly the
:54:14. > :54:20.White Paper has been published. Is it right?
:54:21. > :54:22.Now - yesterday the European Parliament debated Donald Trump.
:54:23. > :54:24.The European Council President has already identified
:54:25. > :54:26.President Trump's Administration as one of the threats
:54:27. > :54:28.facing the EU - alongside so-called Islamic State,
:54:29. > :54:32.Nigel Farage made the most of his opportunity to speak in the debate
:54:33. > :54:38.A Labour MEP - Seb Dance - who was sitting behind the former
:54:39. > :54:42.Ukip leader found another way of getting his message across.
:54:43. > :54:47.You see, what has happened here is somebody has stood
:54:48. > :54:51.on a manifesto for election, got into office, and within one week
:54:52. > :54:55.said that he will hold face with his own electorate.
:54:56. > :55:04.Unlike the system we have in the European Union,
:55:05. > :55:09.where the unelected commissioners have the sole right to propose
:55:10. > :55:14.legislation so I'm sure it's a great shock to you to see that a genuinely
:55:15. > :55:18.elected Democrat is doing what he was put in to do.
:55:19. > :55:21.And out of institutional respect, President, to the truth,
:55:22. > :55:25.perhaps you will understand and agree with me that
:55:26. > :55:27.within the European form of lawmaking, it's the unelected
:55:28. > :55:32.commission that have the sole right to propose legislation.
:55:33. > :55:35.If I'm wrong in saying that you can throw me out of this
:55:36. > :55:43.parliament right here, right now, this afternoon.
:55:44. > :55:45.And the Labour MP Seb Dance, who you saw holding that piece
:55:46. > :55:48.of paper there and the Ukip MEP, Bill Etheridge, who has made
:55:49. > :55:55.a complaint about Seb's behaviour, join me now from Brussels.
:55:56. > :56:03.Seb Dance first of all, was that a mature and reasonable way to make
:56:04. > :56:06.your point? Well, I think you can question whether it was
:56:07. > :56:10.sophisticated but it was an effective way of making a point.
:56:11. > :56:14.It's a time-limited debate and it's frustrating when you know that Nigel
:56:15. > :56:17.Farage will have three minutes uninterrupted so I am afraid in my
:56:18. > :56:23.frustration I did the only thing I could think of and raised a little
:56:24. > :56:28.sign making a poignant point. Yes but he is the leader of the grouping
:56:29. > :56:33.he represents, presumably why he had those minutes to speak, that is
:56:34. > :56:39.legitimate, you said he was lying, about what? Well I was making the
:56:40. > :56:43.general point that he has of course scapegoated immigrants and said
:56:44. > :56:47.immigrants are the cause of all the problems we have, whether its
:56:48. > :56:51.pressure on public services, the economy, when nothing could be
:56:52. > :56:55.further from the truth. But in the comments he made he said a number of
:56:56. > :56:59.things which are not true, he said president Obama had enacted extreme
:57:00. > :57:04.vetting when he had not, he had not banned people coming from Iraq as he
:57:05. > :57:08.claimed. He introduced a restriction on a particular type of Visa. The
:57:09. > :57:16.commission is not the sole arbiter of legislation. We only have a few
:57:17. > :57:20.minutes, you have selected a formal complaint bill Etheridge, you said
:57:21. > :57:26.the behaviour was disgusting, pathetic and cowardly, is that not
:57:27. > :57:31.going that far? No, what was going on, the Labour Party for so many
:57:32. > :57:36.years has been winning elections, in control of situations and now their
:57:37. > :57:40.movement has gone, they have lost the referendum, they have lost the
:57:41. > :57:46.president and are about to lose two by-elections and all they have left,
:57:47. > :57:51.I am disappointed because I know Seb is not this kind of guy. If you're
:57:52. > :57:57.feeling triumphant why have you made a complaint? For a simple reason
:57:58. > :58:01.that if we had done that the rules would have come into play. This is
:58:02. > :58:06.what has to be done, sitting there with a little sign is not on. This
:58:07. > :58:12.is what the Labour Party is reduced to. They have no argument left, or
:58:13. > :58:15.they can do is call us names. We have run out of time, I will leave
:58:16. > :58:16.you to do sort out that dispute by yourselves.
:58:17. > :58:20.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.
:58:21. > :58:22.The question was why has the set of the Daily Politics,
:58:23. > :58:25.complete with figures of Andrew and me, been built in Lego?
:58:26. > :58:30.b) the programme features in the sequel to The Lego Movie?
:58:31. > :58:33.c) to promote Paisley's bid to become City of Culture in 2021?
:58:34. > :58:39.So Matthew what's the correct answer?
:58:40. > :58:49.I think it was a new Legoland experience. You were wrong about
:58:50. > :58:51.that but you might be right about he's always right if you are
:58:52. > :58:52.pointing at Andrew. It's c) to promote Paisley's bid
:58:53. > :58:55.to become City of Culture in 2021. Andrew, of course,
:58:56. > :59:12.hails from Paisley. Morning folks, welcome to the daily
:59:13. > :59:21.politics. I think it's the future.
:59:22. > :59:24.The White Paper is 77 pages wrong. -- along.
:59:25. > :59:29.The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.
:59:30. > :59:32.And I'll be back tonight on BBC One at 11.45pm for This Week
:59:33. > :59:33.with Harriet Harman, Michael Portillo, Derek Hatton,
:59:34. > :59:36.And of course, the Daily Politics at noon tomorrow.
:59:37. > :59:40.To be in the Lords, you have to be punctual...