:00:37. > :00:40.Afternoon folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:41. > :00:44.Another day, another Jeremy Corbyn shadow team reshuffle -
:00:45. > :00:47.this time after one fifth of his MPs defied his order to vote in favour
:00:48. > :00:56.We'll take a look at the Labour leader's new top team.
:00:57. > :00:58.With the start of Brexit talks just weeks away,
:00:59. > :01:11.who will the UK Government be negotiating with?
:01:12. > :01:13.We report from Brussels on the EU's Brexit Negotiators.
:01:14. > :01:15.Do potholes in the road drive you crazy?
:01:16. > :01:18.We meet the local volunteers in Devon who are helping to repair
:01:19. > :01:22.Do you think we should have new legislation for robots?
:01:23. > :01:29.And should we be worried about the rise of robots?
:01:30. > :01:31.Why Members of the European Parliament are demanding
:01:32. > :01:42.new regulation to protect humans from artificial intelligence.
:01:43. > :01:45.All that in the next hour, and with me for the first half
:01:46. > :01:47.of the programme today, Anne McElvoy, senior
:01:48. > :01:53.First today, MPs and campaigners have described their shock
:01:54. > :01:56.at the Government's decision this week to limit the so-called Dubs
:01:57. > :01:58.scheme, which allowed a number of unaccompanied migrant children
:01:59. > :02:05.In total, 350 children will be resettled here,
:02:06. > :02:07.far short of the 3,000 that had originally been suggested -
:02:08. > :02:10.although the Government never committed to a specific figure.
:02:11. > :02:23.Here's Home Secretary Amber Rudd in the Commons yesterday.
:02:24. > :02:27.The Government has always been clear that we do not want to incentivise
:02:28. > :02:28.perilous journeys to Europe, particularly by the most
:02:29. > :02:32.That is why children must have arrived in Europe before the 20th
:02:33. > :02:35.of March 2016 to be eligible, under Section 67 of
:02:36. > :02:40.The Section 67 obligation was accepted on the basis
:02:41. > :02:42.that the measure would not act as a pull factor for children
:02:43. > :02:45.to Europe and that it would be based on local authority capacity.
:02:46. > :02:48.The Government has a clear strategy and we believe this
:02:49. > :03:02.So is there any credibility in the Government's position that we should
:03:03. > :03:05.really only be taking from the camps in the region rather than the
:03:06. > :03:09.unaccompanied children refugees who have made it to Europe already?
:03:10. > :03:15.There is credibility to the extent that the British Government and this
:03:16. > :03:19.goes back to David Cameron, were more corn -- concerned about pull
:03:20. > :03:23.factor arguments than other, and that has broadly turned out to be
:03:24. > :03:28.right. There is a very large number of vulnerable young adults, and
:03:29. > :03:31.children, who can be sucked into people trafficking, if that pull
:03:32. > :03:37.factor isn't addressed. I think the problem she has, is that that
:03:38. > :03:40.number, the 3 thousand 0. Were, although the Government never
:03:41. > :03:45.directly said, there was an expectation they had given into the
:03:46. > :03:49.spirit of the Dubs proposals so to suddenly say now, it is going to be
:03:50. > :03:54.a small number and it is very small, they are saying the scheme won't end
:03:55. > :03:56.but it will be very small in come before a son, it sound like they
:03:57. > :04:00.didn't believe what they said last year, or they have changed tack,
:04:01. > :04:06.that is where I think Amber Rudd, who is often a very Admiral, still
:04:07. > :04:11.emerging Home Secretary, she needs better narrative skill, she needs to
:04:12. > :04:19.explain, a lot people won't agree, she needs to explain more clearly.
:04:20. > :04:21.The fact is these kids are in Europe, now, the European council
:04:22. > :04:27.themselves have a responsibility but it is all our responsibility in a
:04:28. > :04:31.way. Would it not, does it not seem churlish, even if we are bringing
:04:32. > :04:38.people in from the camps, does it not just seem churlish to limit the
:04:39. > :04:42.number to 350, one of the richest countries in the world, with a
:04:43. > :04:47.record of welcoming people who have hit on bad times, I mean, does not
:04:48. > :04:52.just, it is not really very good for what we think of ourself, as a
:04:53. > :04:56.nation. I think that, all of that has a lot of truth to it, but it
:04:57. > :05:00.doesn't answer the question you are faced as Home Secretary, you are
:05:01. > :05:06.saying 350 is a small number, I agree. I don't feel good about that.
:05:07. > :05:10.But let's say you doubled it or trebled it. You would have the same
:05:11. > :05:14.argument. When you say they are already in Europe, yes, that is how
:05:15. > :05:18.pull factor work, some people who made it through a system, that
:05:19. > :05:23.wasn't really working very well, the camp at claim has to be disbanded,
:05:24. > :05:28.the fate of those children probably worse having got to the camp... But
:05:29. > :05:32.you would have to go back to saying you wanted the original figure. I
:05:33. > :05:36.think many people thought we were proceedings on the basis of the
:05:37. > :05:42.original figure. Why is there this talk of the pull factor now if it is
:05:43. > :05:48.a factor, many people doubt that, why was there not talk of that when
:05:49. > :05:52.the scheme was first mooted? Amber Rudd's argument, is that they
:05:53. > :05:57.didn't, as far as they were aware it does seem that the pull factor
:05:58. > :06:02.matters. Therefore, she has, in effect changed tack, and that is the
:06:03. > :06:05.thing she is struggling with. If you think in end this is such a
:06:06. > :06:09.humanitarian crisis that doesn't matter, then, you will always say
:06:10. > :06:13.the numbers are too small and the 3,000 figure will come back on the
:06:14. > :06:18.table. The pressure she will be under is why change tack at all? If
:06:19. > :06:20.you do you better be able to explain in a more convincing way why.
:06:21. > :06:26.As a presidential candidate, Donald Trump used Twitter to bypass
:06:27. > :06:28.the mainstream media and mint several slogans key to his campaign,
:06:29. > :06:31.and in his first weeks in the White House he's shown no
:06:32. > :06:35.The question for today is, what new phrase has the 45th
:06:36. > :07:04.And in about half an hour Anne will give us the correct answer.
:07:05. > :07:06.Jeremy Corbyn reshuffled his shadow cabinet -
:07:07. > :07:10.The mini-reshuffle was needed after Clive Lewis, Rachel Maskell
:07:11. > :07:12.and Jo Stevens resigned from the Shadow Cabinet
:07:13. > :07:15.in order to rebel on this week's Article 50 Bill.
:07:16. > :07:17.Rebecca Long-Bailey has been promoted from Shadow Chief Secretary
:07:18. > :07:19.of the Treasury into Lewis's old role of Shadow
:07:20. > :07:23.She is seen as a rising star of the party, loyal
:07:24. > :07:30.to Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, who described her as "brilliant"
:07:31. > :07:32.and part of the next generation of socialist leadership.
:07:33. > :07:36.Coming into her old position is Peter Dowd, who became MP
:07:37. > :07:43.for Bootle on Merseyside in 2015 having previously led
:07:44. > :07:48.The new Shadow Environment Secretary is Sue Hayman, another MP
:07:49. > :07:51.from the 2015 intake, who represents
:07:52. > :07:57.She had previously served as Maskell's deputy
:07:58. > :08:04.Christina Rees, MP for Neath, is the new Shadow Welsh Secretary,
:08:05. > :08:07.having previously quit her shadow justice role during
:08:08. > :08:08.the mass-resignations last summer, before being reappointed last
:08:09. > :08:21.Three frontbench positions remain unfilled this afternoon,
:08:22. > :08:24.including the shadow equalities brief previously
:08:25. > :08:28.Rumours of other moves include a new role for Jon Trickett,
:08:29. > :08:30.who could be removed from his elections co-ordinator
:08:31. > :08:42.brief just two weeks before crucial byelections in Stoke and Copeland.
:08:43. > :08:55.That gives you an idea of what is going on. Let's, let's go now to our
:08:56. > :09:01.discussion, we are joined from Glasgow by our guest and our guest
:09:02. > :09:05.in London. Is he scraping the bottom of the barrel? I don't think, so I
:09:06. > :09:11.am very excited to see Rebecca Hobb in the role of shadow business, I
:09:12. > :09:16.think to say scraping the barrel is totally, does not reflect the talent
:09:17. > :09:21.put in. What is her qualification for being Shadow Business Secretary?
:09:22. > :09:25.He has been working in the economy team since she became an MP, and I
:09:26. > :09:30.think she will bring something new. What does she know about business? I
:09:31. > :09:34.don't know her full-back ground but I would say we didn't ask questions
:09:35. > :09:39.about Clive Lewis, it is important we allow everyone to grow into a
:09:40. > :09:44.role... It is important you pick people who are qualified to do it.
:09:45. > :09:50.What are her qualifications? I would say she has been working and the
:09:51. > :09:55.Labour Party with John McDonnell, has been, he has been at the core of
:09:56. > :10:00.doing that policy she has been integral to our policy round
:10:01. > :10:03.business, and negotiations round building this new policies,
:10:04. > :10:11.anti-austerity policy. I am excited to see what she comes with up. It is
:10:12. > :10:15.British politics could do with fresh names, particularly some more women
:10:16. > :10:22.in top positions, what is wrong with this I think the issue is these are
:10:23. > :10:26.2015er, I am old enough... You mean they entered Parliament in 2015? Yes
:10:27. > :10:29.I remember when they had to serve a few year, understand the mechanics
:10:30. > :10:34.of the House of Commons, become familiar at the despatch box because
:10:35. > :10:39.the danger of throwing in Newbies in this way, is up against experienced
:10:40. > :10:43.opposition they sufficient, they will make mistakes but it speaks to
:10:44. > :10:46.the broader challenge Jeremy Corbyn face, because people don't want to
:10:47. > :10:51.serve. That is why the kids have been thrown to the front, us in the
:10:52. > :11:00.front line. Rebecca Long-Bailey is 37. In Parliamentary terms. May seem
:11:01. > :11:04.like a kid to me! John McDonnell describes her as brilliant, do you
:11:05. > :11:07.agree? My one observation was at Labour Conference when she was
:11:08. > :11:12.shadow chief secretary, she was speaking on the economy, and her
:11:13. > :11:17.opening remarks including good help us if I get to be Chancellor. So I
:11:18. > :11:22.am not sure that... Really? OK. That may be at least honest. I am not
:11:23. > :11:25.sure that is the sort of firm opening gambit you want. George
:11:26. > :11:36.Osborne made it and many people felt the same. Who knows? Knows? There
:11:37. > :11:40.are a further 14 front bench MPs who voted against this whip, are they
:11:41. > :11:45.expected to be fired or will they keep their jobs? I'm not sure what
:11:46. > :11:49.is going to happen, it is in the hands of Nick Brown, it will be down
:11:50. > :11:55.to him. To look at what is going to happen. But overall I think that we
:11:56. > :11:59.have had a pretty mature, you know, process around the Brexit vote,
:12:00. > :12:03.there has been disagreement between the party but the party stayed
:12:04. > :12:09.together and I am quite heartened by the way things have unfolded over
:12:10. > :12:15.the past couple of days with Clive Lewis's resignation being put in a
:12:16. > :12:22.joint press conference. That the way we need to progress. Isn't it the
:12:23. > :12:27.harsh truth is, that whoever was leader of the Labour Party, would
:12:28. > :12:31.have a difficult time at moment. The party is split, over its attitude to
:12:32. > :12:36.the Brexit negotiations and triggering them. This would be a
:12:37. > :12:42.difficult job of party management, whoever was leader, and you could
:12:43. > :12:51.argue that Mr Corbyn has made the best of a bad hand. That is the test
:12:52. > :12:56.o of a party leader. Every party is composed of no -- different groups.
:12:57. > :13:00.The test of a leader is to ewe ghiet them through their personality and
:13:01. > :13:05.force of Will and thes of expect of pour. Jeremy Corbyn doesn't offer
:13:06. > :13:10.the prospect of power because they have alienated most of the PLP. He
:13:11. > :13:16.has spent his life breaking three line whips. No wonder the party is
:13:17. > :13:19.coming apart. Another leader would have found that challenge but would
:13:20. > :13:25.have been much more effective. What do you make of this, Anne? Isn't the
:13:26. > :13:28.problem for Labour at the moment, because they, they are doing all
:13:29. > :13:33.these reshuffle, names are coming forward, and it is just passing the
:13:34. > :13:40.rest of the country by, they have no idea who we are talking about.
:13:41. > :13:44.Indeed, you remember the historic case of Lord derby and the Cabinet.
:13:45. > :13:52.I remember that! You probably covered it. I was the only one who
:13:53. > :13:59.could name them! In fairness I would say discussing Rebecca Long-Bailey,
:14:00. > :14:03.she has a cut through factor, I may not remember-from the start of the
:14:04. > :14:07.last Labour Conference but a young left leaning voter they think she is
:14:08. > :14:12.good. She is getting her chance, let us see how she does. The bigger
:14:13. > :14:15.problem for Jeremy Corbyn, a lot of people who rebelled were people who
:14:16. > :14:23.had been loyal to Jeremy Corbyn, before, and I am thinking like tough
:14:24. > :14:27.technocratic left leaning MPs, Clive Lewis of course, so there is a
:14:28. > :14:31.number of people you would expect to keep faith with Jeremy Corbyn, who
:14:32. > :14:35.share a lot of his views, who don't think he is competent. He is in a
:14:36. > :14:39.bad intersection where a lot of the party don't think his I ideas are
:14:40. > :14:44.any good. Some think they are good but his execution is terrible and
:14:45. > :14:50.that is a dangerous place to be in the Venn diagram of party politics.
:14:51. > :14:54.There we go, we have gone from Lord Derby to Venn diagrams.
:14:55. > :15:03.Is Jon Trickett still the election coordinator? As far as I am aware. I
:15:04. > :15:08.have not heard anything about him moving. Things change, we are a long
:15:09. > :15:13.way from a general election. I know he remains a core part of any team,
:15:14. > :15:18.he is still in that position as far as I have heard. The election
:15:19. > :15:24.coordinator, there are two important by-election is coming up, surely
:15:25. > :15:29.that would be an important matter for the NEC as well, you are in the
:15:30. > :15:34.business of winning elections? It would be important, it has not come
:15:35. > :15:36.through to the NEC. I was part of the team short listing candidates
:15:37. > :15:41.for Stoke and I am excited about the candidate we have put forward for
:15:42. > :15:47.that. Are you going to win? Yes, I think we are. OK, we will see what
:15:48. > :15:52.happens. Finally, on this, it is Clive Lewis on manoeuvres? Is he
:15:53. > :16:00.beginning to build up a leadership team? I think everyone whose name is
:16:01. > :16:03.in the papers is on manoeuvres. Everybody can see there is another
:16:04. > :16:11.impending crisis in Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. Really? How is that? It
:16:12. > :16:16.may not Ed Sheeran to a leadership challenge. When is the crisis going
:16:17. > :16:20.to come? It is engulfing him at the moment, it always starts at the same
:16:21. > :16:24.point, it is Europe, the European referendum kicked off Owen Smith's
:16:25. > :16:29.challenge, his performance over Brexit and Article 50 has kicked off
:16:30. > :16:36.this one. You have your ear to the ground, are these stories that Clive
:16:37. > :16:39.Lewis is testing the waters, talking to people, seeing if there is an
:16:40. > :16:43.appetite for him to be leader, do you have any indication that is
:16:44. > :16:50.happening? Absolutely, people are speaking on Clive Lewis's behalf, as
:16:51. > :16:52.they are for several others. Stick with us, because we are going to
:16:53. > :16:53.look at this from a different angle. Earlier in the week we profiled
:16:54. > :16:56.the key members of Theresa May's Today we're taking a look
:16:57. > :17:13.at Jeremy Corbyn's inner circle. The olive branches outside the
:17:14. > :17:17.Leader of the Opposition's office have been metaphorically offered to
:17:18. > :17:22.members of the Labour Party during tough times. You see, Jeremy Corbyn
:17:23. > :17:26.says he is not a traditional kind of party leader, he does things in a
:17:27. > :17:29.different type of way. To see how, you only have to look at the
:17:30. > :17:34.close-knit team of advisers in his office. But who are they and how do
:17:35. > :17:40.they influence on? Karie Murphy is executive director of the leader 's
:17:41. > :17:44.office. She likens herself to the Princess from the Disney film,
:17:45. > :17:49.Brave. She keeps the show on the road, used to work for Tom Watson,
:17:50. > :17:54.has close links with Len McCluskey, was caught up in a selection row in
:17:55. > :18:00.Falkirk and was in a bad mood when she saw the Mood Box at the
:18:01. > :18:04.conference, testing opinion on the cabinet. This is a stunned by ill
:18:05. > :18:13.informed people. Nice to meet you too(!) Andrew Fisher is director of
:18:14. > :18:17.policy. Known by insiders as Jeremy's brain, it was his idea to
:18:18. > :18:21.ban companies that don't pay a living wage from handing out
:18:22. > :18:25.dividends to shareholders. Before he became camera shy and join the team,
:18:26. > :18:29.he was often at the podium himself. We need to talk about economic
:18:30. > :18:37.rights. Ensuring the right to a free press is Seamus Mallon. He is the
:18:38. > :18:42.architect of Project Suit, to get his boss to smarten up. The
:18:43. > :18:48.government EU is in a difficult position. It has gone through one
:18:49. > :18:59.disastrous season of events after another. The former Guardian
:19:00. > :19:05.journalist is a highly trusted assistant. Cyber-crime not sure this
:19:06. > :19:11.is a good idea. Looking at the longer term strategy, the former
:19:12. > :19:17.Africa reporter James Schneider. An ex-Lib Dem and Green supporter, he
:19:18. > :19:22.is a key link to Momentum, which he represented when he took to the
:19:23. > :19:25.screens in the wake of the EU referendum result. MPs are
:19:26. > :19:29.incredibly out of touch. That is why we have seen shocks in politics.
:19:30. > :19:33.Nobody knows what is going on. Politics has changed, we are in a
:19:34. > :19:38.national crisis period. If you fancy a quick rebuttal, here is your man.
:19:39. > :19:44.Jeremy Corbyn's spokesman used to campaign against fixed odds betting
:19:45. > :19:49.terminals at his own addiction to them. They are the most addictive
:19:50. > :19:55.form of gambling, you can bet up to ?100 every 20 seconds. They are the
:19:56. > :19:58.crack cocaine of gambling. When it comes to current campaigns, Simon
:19:59. > :20:01.Fletcher has a firm grip on them. He was previously a close aide to Ken
:20:02. > :20:08.Livingstone and is tasked with election planning. One election
:20:09. > :20:11.winning member of Jeremy Corbyn's team is Katy Clark, an MP in
:20:12. > :20:16.Scotland for ten years, including during the aftermath of the Scottish
:20:17. > :20:20.independence referendum. You need a significant move to the left. What
:20:21. > :20:23.this is about is not just about organisation, it is about policy. It
:20:24. > :20:26.is clear the message from the referendum is that they want to
:20:27. > :20:31.political change. People want Labour to be what it was created to be in
:20:32. > :20:34.Scotland. She is now the bridge between the high command and the
:20:35. > :20:40.parliamentarians, alongside Chief Whip Nick Brown. The official
:20:41. > :20:43.opposition does not get help from the civil service, but it does have
:20:44. > :20:46.the party machinery to fall back on here at the Labour Party
:20:47. > :20:51.headquarters, in the heart of Westminster. Ian McNicol is the
:20:52. > :20:59.general secretary of the Labour Party. Its organisational chief,
:21:00. > :21:06.through thick and thin. Here is the truth of it, Labour has, and has
:21:07. > :21:09.always had, the strength to fightback, strength in values, to
:21:10. > :21:14.strengthen our ideas, the strength in our people. National broadcast
:21:15. > :21:18.manager Katie Dylan helped sharpen the leader's image, but not any more
:21:19. > :21:27.from inside the leader's office. He hasn't been able to convince one of
:21:28. > :21:33.his own members, who told the press, you might shout,... The growl was
:21:34. > :21:43.just play acting during PMQs Prep, not her true feelings.
:21:44. > :21:51.Our guests are still here. Ria Wilson, under the team around Mr
:21:52. > :21:55.Corbyn, he has managed to gain a net and favourability rating of 46
:21:56. > :22:04.points behind Theresa May. Even those that voted Labour 2015 think
:22:05. > :22:10.unfavourably towards him. Even the 18-24 year-old age group now feel
:22:11. > :22:16.unfavourably. How long can this go on? I think that we have seen a
:22:17. > :22:21.marked difference in the approach to Jeremy Corbyn's leadership over the
:22:22. > :22:24.last couple of months, I think it is a positive transition. We have seen
:22:25. > :22:34.a lot more of him, we have seen him on the Sunday Politics. I think that
:22:35. > :22:38.is a positive change. Why was it not reflected in the polls? Theresa May
:22:39. > :22:47.has a net rating of plus six, Jeremy Corbyn a net rating of -40! Mr
:22:48. > :22:52.Farren only manages -19. When is that going to change? I think it is
:22:53. > :22:56.going to be a process. Jeremy has not been in front of voters enough
:22:57. > :23:01.and I think that is changing. We have seen a lot of exciting things
:23:02. > :23:05.recently, we have seen a lot more coverage of policies, we have seen a
:23:06. > :23:10.lot more fightback. It is going to be a process. I want to see those
:23:11. > :23:14.numbers get better. If it is like this in a year, what do you do?
:23:15. > :23:19.Supposing it is like this in one year, we have to look at how much...
:23:20. > :23:23.The messaging we are putting across. To be honest, I don't think it will
:23:24. > :23:26.be like that in one ear's time, I think positive change is going to
:23:27. > :23:30.happen. I think it will be interesting with the by-election
:23:31. > :23:34.coming forward. We should not understate how much of a difference
:23:35. > :23:36.it is going to make, seeing the team, and Jeremy, growing in
:23:37. > :23:42.confidence and having more face time with the electorate. More face time
:23:43. > :23:46.with the electorate? I remember Gordon Brown telling me that, it
:23:47. > :23:51.turned out the more they saw of him, the less they like him? If you talk
:23:52. > :23:55.to him in Stoke or Copeland, the last thing we need in close
:23:56. > :23:58.by-elections is face time from Jeremy Corbyn. The more our
:23:59. > :24:04.supporters see him, the less we do well. At the end of the day, you can
:24:05. > :24:08.collect different people around the leader, they can do this and that,
:24:09. > :24:13.but the leader is the product, he is the brand. That is the fundamental
:24:14. > :24:17.problem. One point on that report, it was interesting that we had a
:24:18. > :24:22.clip from Karie Murphy, being particularly cross and angry. If we
:24:23. > :24:27.are looking at the reshuffle, Jon Trickett's departure, the word is
:24:28. > :24:31.that it is partially with disagreements with her, a break down
:24:32. > :24:36.in relations with the leader 's office. It is a sign of the pressure
:24:37. > :24:39.accumulating around him. Rhea Wolfson says it is beginning to come
:24:40. > :24:45.together and they have a team in place. Is the team functioning
:24:46. > :24:48.properly around Mr Corbyn? Patently not. Since Jeremy Corbyn relaunched
:24:49. > :24:54.at the start of the year, our figures have gone backwards. If you
:24:55. > :25:01.speak to campaign that are open Copeland and stroke, his brand
:25:02. > :25:05.deteriorating. He has been doing nothing to turn that around. To be
:25:06. > :25:08.fair to his team, there is little you can do. You can avoid things
:25:09. > :25:12.like the other night, when he tweeted after Article 50 has been
:25:13. > :25:16.passed, the real fight starts now. Many would have said it was last
:25:17. > :25:19.year, or before the vote. To misunderstand that is to
:25:20. > :25:23.misunderstand the Labour Party and politics. Rhea Wolfson thinks they
:25:24. > :25:28.can hold onto the by-elections, what is your view? Do it we have got is
:25:29. > :25:31.that Copeland started badly, but we are coming back. That is looking a
:25:32. > :25:35.bit more positive, particularly because of the local hospital issue.
:25:36. > :25:44.Stoke is more difficult. Stoke is more vulnerable to Ukip? Much more
:25:45. > :25:45.vulnerable. Lets leave it there, Rhea Wolfson and Atul Hatwal, thank
:25:46. > :25:50.you for joining us. Now, one of the big issues of our
:25:51. > :25:52.time. How prepared would you be to mend
:25:53. > :25:55.the potholes in your local roads? In Devon, the local authority has
:25:56. > :25:58.set up a scheme so that volunteers But as Jenny Kumah reports,
:25:59. > :26:03.not everyone's happy about it. But here in Devon, around 100
:26:04. > :26:10.volunteers have signed up to a council-run scheme to patch up
:26:11. > :26:20.the smaller holes themselves. Ken Browse lives in the village
:26:21. > :26:24.of Halverton, and he is part of the yellow army of
:26:25. > :26:28.volunteer road wardens. He has training and insurance
:26:29. > :26:30.from the County Council and he's Grants are available to help
:26:31. > :26:37.pay for the materials, but the parish council also has
:26:38. > :26:40.to contribute towards the cost Some people say it's double
:26:41. > :26:47.taxation, because we pay our council tax, all this should be done,
:26:48. > :26:50.but trouble is, when the money won't go round and the money's been
:26:51. > :26:53.spent on childcare and adult social So, you know, it's a job that
:26:54. > :26:58.needs doing, we're here, People in Devon are being asked to
:26:59. > :27:09.do more for their local community. Volunteers already cut
:27:10. > :27:11.the verges, weed the pavements So maintaining the roads
:27:12. > :27:17.is an expensive business, especially here in Devon,
:27:18. > :27:19.which has the largest road According to the County Council it
:27:20. > :27:26.would cost ?750 million to complete the backlog of repairs and to get
:27:27. > :27:29.the roads in tip top condition. Show me how do this
:27:30. > :27:37.Ken, can I have a go? Yes, you just keep tapping
:27:38. > :27:39.until it sounds different. This certainly keeps
:27:40. > :27:42.you fit, doesn't it. This year the council got
:27:43. > :27:48.?45 million from the Government for road repairs, but the council
:27:49. > :27:51.says it needs around ?15 million So is this scheme
:27:52. > :27:59.a form of cheap labour? No, I don't think
:28:00. > :28:05.it is cheap labour. We find that the parish
:28:06. > :28:08.councils are coming to us, and they're taking pride
:28:09. > :28:10.in their communities, and they're saying they would like to come
:28:11. > :28:13.and help the County Council doing things around their communities,
:28:14. > :28:15.because they understand at the end of day that the County Councils
:28:16. > :28:18.aren't getting so much The council is investing ?100,000
:28:19. > :28:26.in the volunteer scheme, to cover the cost of training,
:28:27. > :28:32.insurance and materials. And it still repairs the bigger
:28:33. > :28:35.potholes that meet the set criteria. But not everyone's happy
:28:36. > :28:40.about this scheme. The road warden scheme means
:28:41. > :28:43.they expect free labour to fill in holes in the road,
:28:44. > :28:46.dig out the ditches and clean signs, but we're all paying our council
:28:47. > :28:50.tax, we don't get any discount. They just pretend they
:28:51. > :28:52.haven't got enough money. They should be more productive,
:28:53. > :28:54.more efficient and still The national repair bill
:28:55. > :29:02.for potholes will reach 14 billion by 2019, according
:29:03. > :29:07.to the Asphalt Industry Alliance, and with councils across the country
:29:08. > :29:09.seeing their government grants diminish, schemes like this one
:29:10. > :29:13.could become more common. Devon County Council says it's
:29:14. > :29:15.already had 11 other local authorities show interest in it,
:29:16. > :29:18.so the prospect of volunteers maintaining your local highways may
:29:19. > :29:30.not be too far down the road. And we've been joined
:29:31. > :29:35.by Councillor Martin Tett, leader of Buckinghamshire County Council
:29:36. > :29:37.and chairman of the Local Government Association's transport
:29:38. > :29:54.board, and by Alex White So, we have seen the future of Tory
:29:55. > :29:57.Britain, you have to fill in your own potholes? It is an interesting
:29:58. > :30:03.scheme, with looking at. Councils already fill in something like 200
:30:04. > :30:07.million potholes every year. There is not enough money to fill in all
:30:08. > :30:11.of the ones that are being reported. An interesting scheme in Devon,
:30:12. > :30:15.where you have quiet roads. A lot of them are on busy main roads, the
:30:16. > :30:22.idea of somebody wandering out to throw some tarmac into a pothole on
:30:23. > :30:27.a main road, it gives me the heebie-jeebies. Isn't this the Big
:30:28. > :30:33.Society inaction? The idea of volunteers hoping out, we have been
:30:34. > :30:36.devolving money down to town and parish councils, where we can train
:30:37. > :30:39.them to do things like cut hedges, clearing ditches and cutting grass,
:30:40. > :30:42.which is really good. I'm just worried about the safety aspect of
:30:43. > :30:46.people in the middle-of-the-road without safety precautions.
:30:47. > :30:51.It's a good idea. He is worried about the safety. I don't know about
:30:52. > :30:55.the safety, maybe you are right about that, but I mean, the
:30:56. > :30:58.important thing I think we have to recognise is that motorists are
:30:59. > :31:03.completely fleeced in this country, if you look at how much is spent on
:31:04. > :31:07.fuel duty, you get to about ?35 billion a year, what is spent on
:31:08. > :31:15.roads is only about 9 billion. So while I am not... The tax isn't high
:31:16. > :31:20.pot Kated I am not suggesting that. I am not suggesting it should be but
:31:21. > :31:26.it is an indicator, if you look at how much we spent on roads compared
:31:27. > :31:31.to rail with their subsidies for instance, you know, motorists are
:31:32. > :31:35.fleeced and I think that the priorities and the transport budgets
:31:36. > :31:39.are not correct and we should spend more on roads and Les on rail. You
:31:40. > :31:44.would have to spend billion ports on the roads to get them up to the
:31:45. > :31:50.standard, if you go round knocking on doors like I do, it is rods,
:31:51. > :31:53.pavement and schools. Things like adult, social care, where the vast
:31:54. > :32:00.amount of money goes doesn't get a mention on the doorstep. Fancy a bit
:32:01. > :32:06.of poll hole filling? I have a high advice jacket. Of course, you didn't
:32:07. > :32:10.do it terribly well so text year it flooded again and one thing that
:32:11. > :32:15.councils could do which would try to square this difficult circle about
:32:16. > :32:19.the Monday which is is a real thing, is if you were incentivised to do it
:32:20. > :32:23.with guidance, you would provide the labour but you would need a bit of
:32:24. > :32:28.training, that wouldn't be a bad idea. I think that is nearest you
:32:29. > :32:32.get to the big society in action, where it nowry sides after David
:32:33. > :32:38.Cameron. Why is why it is worth looking after. It is easy on quiet
:32:39. > :32:44.country lanes with proper training. You wouldn't want to be in the
:32:45. > :32:48.middle of the M1. If you come to Buckingham you would get run over.
:32:49. > :32:57.Don't let the best be the enemy of the good. It is port an experiment.
:32:58. > :33:01.Are you going to try it? That is a temporary fitting, that won't last,
:33:02. > :33:05.that will come out within about... I worked that one out myself. Bear in
:33:06. > :33:10.mind, if that comes out and somebody has an accident, a cyclist gets
:33:11. > :33:14.injured or killed, who is the responsible party in probably the
:33:15. > :33:18.County Council so there is a real responsibility when you start to
:33:19. > :33:22.devolve this stuff. One of the basic snucks of Government is to keep the
:33:23. > :33:26.roads safe. Absolutely. Why can't we do that? Because we are spending
:33:27. > :33:33.money on the wrong things, because we... Such as? Let us look at
:33:34. > :33:36.transport. We are spending a lot of money on HS2, there are far better
:33:37. > :33:45.smaller rail schemes and road schemes that money should be going
:33:46. > :33:50.on. It is not glamorous. More pothole filling, less HS2 You could
:33:51. > :33:55.get more filled, and you would have money left over for minor road and
:33:56. > :33:58.rail improvements. The money is there within the budget to fix this
:33:59. > :34:02.programme, it is not being spent properly. We will leave it there,
:34:03. > :34:05.We will leave it there, that is enough potholes.
:34:06. > :34:08.It's time now to find out the answer to our quiz.
:34:09. > :34:10.The question was what is the latest phrase Donald Trump has
:34:11. > :34:26.Did he say in court because he is going to do a legal challenge? He
:34:27. > :34:30.said see you in court when the court ruled against him on the travel ban
:34:31. > :34:34.to which the Attorney General of Washington state replied we've seen
:34:35. > :34:39.you in court twice and we've won twice, now it has to go to the
:34:40. > :34:45.Supreme Court. It is a real interesting judicial problem for the
:34:46. > :34:46.United States, at the moment. Not least given the Supreme Court.
:34:47. > :34:52.Coming up in a moment, it's our regular look at what's been
:34:53. > :34:55.For now it's time to say goodbye to Anne McElvoy
:34:56. > :34:58.So for the next half an hour we're going to be focussing on Europe.
:34:59. > :35:01.We'll be looking at who the EU's Brexit negotiators are,
:35:02. > :35:03.how the EU has responded to Donald Trump's arrival
:35:04. > :35:05.in the White House, and whether robots need
:35:06. > :35:09.First though, here's our guide to the latest from Europe -
:35:10. > :35:23.MPs overwhelmingly agreed to let the Government begin the UK's
:35:24. > :35:26.departure from the EU as they voted for the Brexit Bill.
:35:27. > :35:33.Romania's Prime Minister insisted he won't resign,
:35:34. > :35:36.despite mass protests calling for him and his cabinet to step down
:35:37. > :35:37.over a now abandoned anti-corruption measure,
:35:38. > :35:44.with many saying they had lost trust in their leaders.
:35:45. > :35:46.Following the surge in fighting in eastern Ukraine
:35:47. > :35:48.between government forces and Russian backed separatists,
:35:49. > :35:53.EU foreign ministers condemned the attacks on civilians.
:35:54. > :35:55.23 of the 28 member states are breaching air standards,
:35:56. > :35:56.according to the European Commission.
:35:57. > :35:58.It recommends phasing out environmentally damaging subsidies
:35:59. > :36:01.such as tax breaks for privately used company cars.
:36:02. > :36:06.And the idea to provide free inter-rail travel passes to all EU
:36:07. > :36:08.citizens on their 18th birthday hit the buffers.
:36:09. > :36:10.The European Commission will instead offer a cheaper plan,
:36:11. > :36:24.awarding a general travel budget to schools.
:36:25. > :36:26.And with us for the next 30 minutes I've been joined
:36:27. > :36:31.by the UKIP MEP Gerard Batten, and Labour's Anneliese Dodds.
:36:32. > :36:36.Welcome to you both. What happens in the European Parliament votes
:36:37. > :36:40.against this deal in a couple of years' time? I think that is a very
:36:41. > :36:44.good question and there is a possibility of that, it is just
:36:45. > :36:49.before European elections so not always a great time to have rational
:36:50. > :36:54.dispassionate debate on issues. Do we have any idea what the answer is?
:36:55. > :36:58.Well I just hope we can get away from the kind of conflict eventual
:36:59. > :37:06.argumentative approach we have had. You don't know? Well... I don't
:37:07. > :37:10.know. If there is no deal which our British dealer said she would prefer
:37:11. > :37:14.to a bad deal, I wouldn't, if that there is no deal, that means
:37:15. > :37:19.exiting, World Trade Organisation rule, no clear future relationship.
:37:20. > :37:24.It wouldn't be good for Europe either. It would be bad on all side.
:37:25. > :37:27.What do you think would happen? Perhaps the council would do what it
:37:28. > :37:31.does when the European Parliaments votes for a directive it doesn't
:37:32. > :37:36.want because it has been amended in such a way, it ignores that and does
:37:37. > :37:41.it any way, whether it has the power to reject the vote of Prince
:37:42. > :37:45.Charlesment on this I don't know. That would be nigh on impossible. If
:37:46. > :37:51.the European Parliament took a vote as Bray sick as the Brexit deal it
:37:52. > :37:57.could hardly ignore it. What would happen is what Mrs May said would
:37:58. > :38:01.happen, we would exit on World Trade Organisation... That is why going
:38:02. > :38:06.down the Article 50 route wrong any way. That boat has left the harbour.
:38:07. > :38:10.What we will do is have two-years of negotiation with people who don't
:38:11. > :38:14.want to negotiation with us, and the end they have to have a deal they
:38:15. > :38:20.can reject. What the Government could still do, and I am the Brexit
:38:21. > :38:25.spokesman man for Ukip by the way, step one should be to repeal the
:38:26. > :38:29.communities act, which would under our law mean we are no longer
:38:30. > :38:33.member, all legislation would remain in place because it has been
:38:34. > :38:39.incorporated as acts of Parliament. Bill Cash has done a good draft. We
:38:40. > :38:41.haven't got time for that. But it that route, that has gone, that is
:38:42. > :38:47.is not the Government's strategy. Exactly. It is also not how the
:38:48. > :38:51.issues have set out in the treaties. We have to somehow make it work, we
:38:52. > :38:55.have to be grown ups about this, we need to start actually having a
:38:56. > :39:01.decent conversation, stop shouting at each other, stop threaten the
:39:02. > :39:05.rest of the EU saying we will slap tariffs on the car, we need to have
:39:06. > :39:09.an adult conversation ssm The Europeans have been vocal. I have
:39:10. > :39:13.noticed a change in tone. A more constructive tone in the past couple
:39:14. > :39:17.of weeks even. I think so. It is no good for the rest of the EU, if we
:39:18. > :39:22.don't have a deal that will work for everybody at the end of this. We
:39:23. > :39:25.have to somehow take some of the steam and the high fall
:39:26. > :39:31.Lieutenanting politics out of this and talk about it rationally. Good
:39:32. > :39:35.luck with that. Any way. When the Brexit talks get under way they will
:39:36. > :39:41.be led by David Davis, for existing the EU we know that, but what about
:39:42. > :39:46.the people he will be facing across the negotiating table? Adam Fleming
:39:47. > :39:47.reports from Brussels on the EU figures going head-to-head with the
:39:48. > :39:51.UK Government. Yes, he's going to negotiate
:39:52. > :40:07.the Brexit deal with the UK. Y-yes...
:40:08. > :40:19.Big deal-ish. French Foreign Minister,
:40:20. > :40:24.a former European Commission and who was mastermind
:40:25. > :40:26.of the 1992 Winter Olympics. His catchphrase is keep
:40:27. > :40:29.calm and negotiate. Let's get a more three-dimensional
:40:30. > :40:31.picture from MEPs who know him. I think he is a bit
:40:32. > :40:38.taller in real life? What is Mr Barnier
:40:39. > :40:42.like, do you know him? He is very expert can also come
:40:43. > :40:54.in one of the most sensitive areas, He is not someone with anti-British
:40:55. > :40:59.feeling, not at all. When he was Commissioner he always
:41:00. > :41:02.looked for balanced solutions But of course, as a chief EU
:41:03. > :41:09.negotiator, he will try, first of all, to protect
:41:10. > :41:11.the interests of the union and also I could say that he is French
:41:12. > :41:25.with a British style. That means he is very
:41:26. > :41:28.concise, very precise. When someone gives him
:41:29. > :41:30.an argument or an idea, if it is something reasonable,
:41:31. > :41:33.he will say, OK, it was not my first But if he thinks there is a red
:41:34. > :41:38.line, he will be always firm Parliament has its own negotiator,
:41:39. > :41:52.Guy Verhofstadt, leader of the Liberal Group -
:41:53. > :41:54.although his precise Is he going to be in
:41:55. > :42:02.the room, actually? And he is a very good negotiator
:42:03. > :42:05.and everybody recognises that. As Prime Minister of Belgium,
:42:06. > :42:09.you gain a lot of experience if you have done that
:42:10. > :42:11.and done it successfully. You know, we represent
:42:12. > :42:16.half a billion people. It is absolutely vital that any
:42:17. > :42:18.negotiation takes into account the needs and aspirations
:42:19. > :42:21.of the people of the European Union. Then there's the man
:42:22. > :42:30.from the council, Didier Seeuws. A Belgian lawyer,
:42:31. > :42:32.hardly a household name. Let's find out more
:42:33. > :42:41.from an old colleague. His excellent at coming
:42:42. > :42:45.up with compromises when you have positions
:42:46. > :42:46.which are seemingly irreconcilable. He often finds a way
:42:47. > :42:48.of reconciling them. He will have the knowledge,
:42:49. > :42:51.he will know the positions of the member states,
:42:52. > :42:53.so will often be able to say to Barnier, yes, you can agree this,
:42:54. > :42:57.or that would be a bit risky, it might not get endorsed
:42:58. > :43:00.by the other member states, the 27. But wait, the cast of
:43:01. > :43:10.characters gets even bigger. The trade Commissioner,
:43:11. > :43:16.Cecilia Malmstrom will be a big player if the UK and the EU also try
:43:17. > :43:19.and do a free-trade And never far from any
:43:20. > :43:22.decision is Martin Selmayr, chief of staff to the commission
:43:23. > :43:24.President, Jean-Claude Juncker. Give me one name, who is going to be
:43:25. > :43:27.the most influential person It's the elected
:43:28. > :43:35.representatives on both sides. So far, with his Gallic flair,
:43:36. > :43:38.towering presence and ability to captivate the British press,
:43:39. > :43:41.it does seem like the commission's Monsieur Barnier will be the one
:43:42. > :43:46.who dominates the headlines. Any way. When the Brexit talks get
:43:47. > :43:49.under way they will be led by David Davis, for existing the EU we know
:43:50. > :43:51.that, but what about the people he will be facing across the
:43:52. > :43:58.negotiating table? Adam Fleming reports from Brussels
:43:59. > :44:05.What do we know of Mr Barnier? He has said one of the key things in
:44:06. > :44:08.this debate, which is freedom of movement is is not up for
:44:09. > :44:14.discussion, he said it can't be changed. Britain has to accept it.
:44:15. > :44:19.But it, now that Mrs May said we are leaving the single market. The free
:44:20. > :44:25.movement is not a matter for debate He is supposed to be negotiating our
:44:26. > :44:30.position. No, theirs. In order to arrive at this mittical deal, he
:44:31. > :44:36.said that freedom of movement is is not up for negotiation. It isn't a
:44:37. > :44:43.matter now. I am not sure, Freeman was one of the four freedoms that
:44:44. > :44:48.comes with being a member of the supermarket. We are saying rightly
:44:49. > :44:52.or wrongly we will not be a member of the single market freedom of
:44:53. > :44:56.movement is not an issue. The issue about tariff free trade. You went
:44:57. > :45:00.saying that, you were talking about freedom of movement They are talking
:45:01. > :45:04.about that to sort out the trade issues which is probably the second
:45:05. > :45:10.biggest issue. A free trade deal you can do. We do them at the European
:45:11. > :45:14.Union, the other countries bilateral, they don't involve
:45:15. > :45:18.freedom of movement issue, the EU Canada deal which is the latest one
:45:19. > :45:24.has no freedom of movement implications. Is that right.
:45:25. > :45:29.Sometimes, when Britain is trying to secure trade deals with countries
:45:30. > :45:35.like India, we have come a cropper on that. That is a Visa issue.
:45:36. > :45:38.Exactly. You have said the British people have decided they don't want
:45:39. > :45:43.to have freedom of movement, most opinion polls show that even a
:45:44. > :45:46.majority of Leave voters said if there was a decision between having
:45:47. > :45:50.access to trade across the EU and having some freedom of movement,
:45:51. > :45:53.they would prioritise access to trade. Theresa May has decided she
:45:54. > :45:58.wants to take us in a particular direction. There will be some
:45:59. > :46:02.freedom of movement and some access to the single market. These are the
:46:03. > :46:08.issues that have to be negotiated? Do we know anything yet, there were
:46:09. > :46:11.so many names in that film, all with their own constituencies, and I
:46:12. > :46:15.don't mean that in a political sense, their own interests in
:46:16. > :46:20.Brussels, do we have any idea what the common line is going to be?
:46:21. > :46:24.Ultimately, the EU 27, whether we are talking about them represented
:46:25. > :46:27.in institutions or member states, they are wanting to ensure the best
:46:28. > :46:31.outcome for all of them and that is one that has a good deal for Britain
:46:32. > :46:35.as well. That will not happen if we keep having a 0-sum politics. If we
:46:36. > :46:41.keep having a trade-off, if we have a deal that works for the rest of
:46:42. > :46:46.the EU it will not work for Britain and vice versa. Who is saying that?
:46:47. > :46:50.Some political voices, we have had the threats from Theresa May, if we
:46:51. > :46:55.don't get that deal we will turn ourselves into a bargain basement
:46:56. > :47:01.tax haven. That is your party's phrase, she never said that. She
:47:02. > :47:05.said if we did come out on WTO rules, we would also need to
:47:06. > :47:10.consider our economic model. There are plenty of choices between being
:47:11. > :47:17.what we are now and Singapore, which is not much of a bargaining chip.
:47:18. > :47:19.Philip Hammond push the same line, they know the messages they are
:47:20. > :47:22.sending and I think they are damaging when we should be building
:47:23. > :47:27.bridges, rather than blowing them up. If you hear what has come out of
:47:28. > :47:34.Europe recently, listening to one of the Baltic states' ministers on
:47:35. > :47:40.another channel, he was much more conciliatory. Poland is saying the
:47:41. > :47:42.same. Even Michel Barnier says he understands the importance of the
:47:43. > :47:47.London capital markets to the whole of the EU. I wanted to ask you this,
:47:48. > :47:53.we have a rough idea I put it no higher than that because of the
:47:54. > :48:00.White Paper, of the British negotiating position. Doesn't the
:48:01. > :48:06.European Union now need to give its equivalent of its rough idea? That
:48:07. > :48:09.is a very good point. We are going to have a very long two years of
:48:10. > :48:14.protracted negotiations to end the Banega position, and we really
:48:15. > :48:20.should know where we want to be now. We want freedom to make our laws, we
:48:21. > :48:25.want to continue trading tariff free. Parliament has a vote on this,
:48:26. > :48:28.these are things the European Parliament can scupper, by voting
:48:29. > :48:32.against it, it is actually the council that makes the decision to
:48:33. > :48:36.accept it or not. The Council of ministers does that. They are the
:48:37. > :48:39.heads of government in their own countries. They will come under
:48:40. > :48:44.tremendous pressure from their own industries and businesses to reach a
:48:45. > :48:48.sensible agreement. Rather than the ideologues in the European
:48:49. > :48:52.Parliament. One thing that could scupper negotiations would be the EU
:48:53. > :48:59.insists on agreeing some kind of Brexit Bill upfront, whether it is
:49:00. > :49:04.40 billion, 60 billion or whatever. I would suggest no British
:49:05. > :49:08.Government can agree to that? Well, in an ideal world, would we be here
:49:09. > :49:12.at all? I can understand their thinking. More recently, they have
:49:13. > :49:21.been saying they want to agree a methodology for deciding what the
:49:22. > :49:25.figure would be. What would we be paying for? Take one example,
:49:26. > :49:30.imagine a Lithuanian civil servant who joined the commission when she
:49:31. > :49:35.was 25. When she joined, the British state had a liability for part of
:49:36. > :49:39.her pension. When she retires, in 40 or 50 years, whatever. That will
:49:40. > :49:43.still be there in the future, in the same way that the British state has
:49:44. > :49:46.a liability for my pension when I paid national insurance. But you are
:49:47. > :49:53.not leaving the British state. You are aware that the pensions of
:49:54. > :49:56.Brussels bureaucrats are between two and three times the average earnings
:49:57. > :50:00.in Britain. You think the British people are going to stand for that,
:50:01. > :50:05.paying for pensions that are up to three times their average wage? I
:50:06. > :50:09.agree there will be difficult discussions about that. What I worry
:50:10. > :50:14.about is that if this gets turned into something about bashing quite a
:50:15. > :50:17.small number of people, and we are talking about small amounts of money
:50:18. > :50:24.in comparison to the overall amount we are going to lose in trade deals,
:50:25. > :50:27.and I'm not saying it is peanuts, but in comparison to what we could
:50:28. > :50:33.lose, we need to look at these issues with an adult head on our
:50:34. > :50:43.shoulders. What would you say to the demand, if that is what it is, for a
:50:44. > :50:47.divorce Bill? The EU is going to do what everybody else is going to do,
:50:48. > :50:50.when their income drops, they have to reduce their outgoings. There
:50:51. > :50:54.will be people with pension liabilities and that will be fairly
:50:55. > :50:59.minimal, I think, and he governments can agree between them how to deal
:51:00. > :51:06.with that, when obligations, to particular people that have been
:51:07. > :51:09.working. The idea of what Guy Verhofstadt is proposing, giving
:51:10. > :51:15.billions of pounds to pay for our membership until the current budget
:51:16. > :51:19.period end, it is pure fantasy. But there are a lot of things that you
:51:20. > :51:22.promised we would keep getting, like research funds, different streams of
:51:23. > :51:28.funding we were told we would still get. Potentially, the money has got
:51:29. > :51:32.to come from somewhere. Research funds is quite a small proportion,
:51:33. > :51:36.the Government could easily make that up. We will see. Ledge of time
:51:37. > :51:37.to debate this in the weeks and months ahead.
:51:38. > :51:40.Donald Trump's arrival at the White House just three weeks
:51:41. > :51:41.ago has caused something of a political earthquake
:51:42. > :51:44.in Brussels - with EU leaders going public with their concerns
:51:45. > :51:46.about the new US president's approach to trade, defence
:51:47. > :51:51.In an open letter the President of the European Council,
:51:52. > :51:54.Donald Tusk, wrote "Donald Trump's presidency and the change in
:51:55. > :51:56.Washington puts the European Union in a difficult situation,
:51:57. > :51:59.with the new administration seeming to put into question the last 70
:52:00. > :52:11.Chief Brexit Negotiator Guy Verhofstadt told think-tank
:52:12. > :52:13.Chatham House in January that on a trip to Washington
:52:14. > :52:16.after Donald Trump's election "Every European that I met in the US
:52:17. > :52:31.Which is that the EU has fewer friends than ever in USA today."
:52:32. > :52:33.And this week the EU's Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom
:52:34. > :52:35.attacked Donald Trump's protectionist policies on trade
:52:36. > :52:37.and migration saying: "Those who in the 21st century think
:52:38. > :52:39.that we can become great again by rebuilding borders,
:52:40. > :52:41.reimposing trade barriers and restricting people's freedom
:52:42. > :53:03.One thing that is clear is that for the first time since this was an
:53:04. > :53:07.issue, the White House is run by somebody that is basically hostile
:53:08. > :53:13.to the European Union. That is a total change from any previous
:53:14. > :53:17.administration. How should the EU handle this? I think it is very
:53:18. > :53:23.important that we try to get some kind of workable relationship, but
:53:24. > :53:29.not one where the EU, and we will talk about Britain as well, a
:53:30. > :53:33.supplicant relationship. The idea that we have to support everything
:53:34. > :53:36.Donald Trump is doing, or not criticise it, in order to have that
:53:37. > :53:40.relationship. We will still have commercial relationships at the same
:53:41. > :53:44.time as criticising him on human rights. Still going to depend on
:53:45. > :53:51.America for your defence? Potentially. This whole development
:53:52. > :53:56.could push more defence cooperation, across the EU, could push them into
:53:57. > :54:02.working closer together. Spending more money? Who knows? That is for
:54:03. > :54:11.the EU 27 now. We meet our 2% on Nato. An interesting point raised,
:54:12. > :54:15.it could be, if the 27 now regard the White House as something that is
:54:16. > :54:22.hostile to them, this could actually pull Europe together on a number of
:54:23. > :54:25.fronts? Yes, I think they should cease their hostility to Mr Trump
:54:26. > :54:29.and accept the situation in the real world, talk to his ambassador,
:54:30. > :54:34.rather than insulting him. He has not been appointed yet. Here's a
:54:35. > :54:45.fantasist. You are quite right, Andrew, if the
:54:46. > :54:49.EU wants to preserve itself in some form, it should look at what has
:54:50. > :54:53.gone wrong. All of these political things we have been talking about it
:54:54. > :54:56.does, it should get back to the idea of facilitating trade and
:54:57. > :55:00.cooperation, then it could have some kind of a future, like the European
:55:01. > :55:03.free trade Association. That is what we were told it was supposed to be.
:55:04. > :55:08.Nobody would object to that kind of thing. It is difficult for you, the
:55:09. > :55:12.transatlantic trade deal is dead, it is over. It is dead in the water.
:55:13. > :55:17.There is a huge argument over defence and the attitude to Russia.
:55:18. > :55:25.We haven't even touched on the White House's attitude to trade and
:55:26. > :55:29.currency policies. Rough times ahead? Yes, and the way we can face
:55:30. > :55:33.up to them is not by supplicating ourselves in front of Donald Trump.
:55:34. > :55:36.You talk about trade deals, we have had no assurance from the UK
:55:37. > :55:40.Government, as part of a new deal between the UK and the US, our
:55:41. > :55:44.services will not be opened up, health services, to the US. We
:55:45. > :55:49.haven't even started negotiating yet. Mrs May said she wanted to
:55:50. > :55:54.start... She said the NHS was not for sale. The trade deal, if it does
:55:55. > :55:59.that, it is a matter for Parliament to decide. The British people will
:56:00. > :56:04.decide. Yes, but I think the British people are quite disturbed by having
:56:05. > :56:09.their leader appearing to fawn and supplicate herself in front of a
:56:10. > :56:12.foreign leader. If people wanted control when they wanted to leave
:56:13. > :56:14.the European Union, surely we don't want to leave the EU to become
:56:15. > :56:16.controlled by the US? MEPs are gearing up for a vote next
:56:17. > :56:19.week on proposals for a new law governing non military robots,
:56:20. > :56:22.after a committee decided that great leaps in technology required
:56:23. > :56:28.regulation at an EU level. Here's Adam again, who's been joined
:56:29. > :56:35.by his new friend Sheldon. Do you think we should have
:56:36. > :56:38.new legislation for robots? And MEPs on the Justice
:56:39. > :56:47.committee agreed. They've spent two years coming up
:56:48. > :56:49.with ideas for new legislation. The robots before were in industry,
:56:50. > :56:53.they were kept far away from humans But it is also linked
:56:54. > :57:02.to the interconnectivity, because the new generations
:57:03. > :57:04.of robots are connected to networks So, they have become
:57:05. > :57:14.a lot more intelligent, and how will we interact with them,
:57:15. > :57:17.and what will be the influence Top of their list is sorting
:57:18. > :57:21.out who is responsible They've also suggested that robots
:57:22. > :57:25.have the legal status Parliament was turned into a sort
:57:26. > :57:31.of low-budget edition of Robot Wars to get everyone ready
:57:32. > :57:34.for a vote next week. For all the new technology
:57:35. > :57:36.on display, there is plenty of old-fashioned human
:57:37. > :57:40.politics as well. MEPs are split on a whole range
:57:41. > :57:43.of issues, whether there should be a new EU robotics agency,
:57:44. > :57:46.whether there should be a tax on robots for all the jobs
:57:47. > :57:48.they replace, even whether robots If MEPs vote it through next
:57:49. > :57:55.Thursday, the report will be handed to the commission,
:57:56. > :57:57.who will decide whether to proceed with legislation
:57:58. > :57:59.which could take years - meaning one country
:58:00. > :58:23.is unlikely to be affected. A problem with communication. The
:58:24. > :58:26.French Socialist candidate for President is suggesting we should
:58:27. > :58:30.tax robots. That would put them in their place, wouldn't it? On a
:58:31. > :58:33.serious note, we do need to think about what we are going to do to
:58:34. > :58:37.support people that might be made unemployed through many of these
:58:38. > :58:41.developments. In Finland they have brought in a universal income,
:58:42. > :58:47.partly to help people whose jobs are being digitised. Tax robots? Try
:58:48. > :58:52.sending a tax bill to the Terminator, see what you get. I will
:58:53. > :59:01.leave that to you. That is it for now. Thanks for joining us. Goodbye.
:59:02. > :59:02.When author Sir Terry Pratchett died,
:59:03. > :59:06.When author Sir Terry Pratchett died,