:00:37. > :00:42.Police say their investigation into the terror attack
:00:43. > :00:46.on Westminster is focussing on the "motivation, preparation
:00:47. > :00:50.and associates" of Khalid Masood, and confirm several raids
:00:51. > :00:56.As the investigation widens, do the police and intelligence
:00:57. > :01:00.agencies have sufficient resources and legal powers to monitor
:01:01. > :01:06.all known on radical extremists in the UK?
:01:07. > :01:09.Ahead of the start of formal Brexit talks, we look at the future
:01:10. > :01:11.of the car industry, and ask what kind of trade
:01:12. > :01:17.deal would be best for manufacturing jobs in the UK.
:01:18. > :01:21.And we take a look back at the other political stories of the week,
:01:22. > :01:24.including rows at the top of Labour, and pressure on George Osborne
:01:25. > :01:35.All that in the next hour and with us for the duration
:01:36. > :01:38.Paul Waugh, the Executive Editor, Politics, at the Huffington Post,
:01:39. > :01:42.political editor at the Sunday Express.
:01:43. > :01:47.So, we will be devoting most of today's programme to coverage
:01:48. > :01:53.and discussion of the terror attack in London.
:01:54. > :01:56.But before we bring you the latest on the police investigation,
:01:57. > :01:59.politics is slowly returning to normal business,
:02:00. > :02:02.and ahead of the triggering of Article 50 next week
:02:03. > :02:05.the president of the European Commission, Jean Claude Juncker,
:02:06. > :02:11.has been speaking to the BBC's Europe Editor Katya Adler.
:02:12. > :02:13.How will you feel on Wednesday when that letter of notification,
:02:14. > :02:18.that formal letter of notification, arrives here in Brussels?
:02:19. > :02:24.I will be sad, as I was sad when the vote, the referendum
:02:25. > :02:32.But does it feel like a failure, President Juncker?
:02:33. > :02:45.Jean-Claude Juncker there, who has been saying many things about
:02:46. > :02:50.Britain in recent weeks, most of contradictory. One wiki is nice to
:02:51. > :02:52.us and the next week, he is threatening punishment. Yes, and he
:02:53. > :02:57.said the beginning of the week that basically, you know, the UK would
:02:58. > :03:01.regret its decision and then later on in the week we are told he is not
:03:02. > :03:05.going to punish us for our decision to go so we don't know where we
:03:06. > :03:10.stand but broadly, we do know that he's pretty hostile to the UK in
:03:11. > :03:14.terms of the negotiating position, that it remains to be seen where
:03:15. > :03:19.things go from there given the fact that, even though we are a long way
:03:20. > :03:25.off from the 23rd of June, the formal process Brexit only begins on
:03:26. > :03:27.Wednesday. Indeed. We know how important Jean-Claude Juncker is
:03:28. > :03:35.going to be in this. Angela Merkel can't stand him. Michel Barnier will
:03:36. > :03:37.be doing the negotiations for the commission, not Jean-Claude Juncker,
:03:38. > :03:44.but he has repeated again this figure of an exit bill of ?50
:03:45. > :03:48.billion, a figure floating around in Brussels. I would suggest to you it
:03:49. > :03:52.is politically impossible for any British government to the a figure
:03:53. > :03:55.anywhere near that. I think you're absolutely right which is why
:03:56. > :03:59.Cabinet ministers had been banging the table, putting their feet down
:04:00. > :04:05.this week and making absolutely clear ?3 billion would be massive,
:04:06. > :04:09.never mind 50 billion. Michel Barnier will be sparring constantly
:04:10. > :04:14.with David Davis and they are both old pros. They are both smart. They
:04:15. > :04:17.know what they are doing and they will be a negotiation obviously,
:04:18. > :04:22.give-and-take, and ultimately, it's a question of who will blink first
:04:23. > :04:28.and we will see who does. Tomorrow, the EU 27, all of them except
:04:29. > :04:34.Britain, are going to be celebrating the anniversary of the Treaty of
:04:35. > :04:38.Rome, a historic event in the 1950s that, because Brexit and other
:04:39. > :04:45.things, why would suggest as well, the election cycle in Europe, still
:04:46. > :04:48.massive levels of youth unemployment, it's taking place
:04:49. > :04:53.under something of a cloud? It is, and also if you think about the fact
:04:54. > :04:56.we're not going to there and Jean-Claude Juncker is very
:04:57. > :05:00.disappointed by the decision taken on the 23rd of June, it is going to
:05:01. > :05:04.be difficult to have a celebration falls are all so with a cloud of
:05:05. > :05:08.this terrorist attack in London, and it's very difficult for them to sort
:05:09. > :05:12.of talk about punishment beating and being very hard on us when London is
:05:13. > :05:17.yet again under the cloud of a terrorist attack, which is always
:05:18. > :05:23.going to colour these kinds of discussions. And when we know the
:05:24. > :05:28.vital importance of British intelligence and security services,
:05:29. > :05:33.not just to this country, but to the whole of Europe. That, as the
:05:34. > :05:40.primers to keep saying, won't change after Brexit. That intelligence
:05:41. > :05:43.links, sharing, and a former European arrest warrant could
:05:44. > :05:46.continue after Brexit but we talk about the European Union celebrating
:05:47. > :05:49.its anniversary but don't forget some of the countries over there and
:05:50. > :05:56.the leaders think coming out of the eurozone crisis, their economies are
:05:57. > :05:59.growing. The eurozone is growing. There is a sense of growing
:06:00. > :06:02.optimism, it is not doom and gloom and they think it's a brand-new
:06:03. > :06:03.chapter for them as much as us. We shall see.
:06:04. > :06:05.So far four people have died as a result of Wednesday's
:06:06. > :06:14.Another 50 are injured - several of them in critical condition.
:06:15. > :06:16.But after the emergency response comes the analysis
:06:17. > :06:20.As the hours pass, more information is emerging about the man police
:06:21. > :06:28.The police have formally identified him as 52-year-old
:06:29. > :06:32.Adrian Russell Ajao, born in Kent.
:06:33. > :06:34.The Met Police say he had a number of aliases,
:06:35. > :06:46.That was the first name we heard after the attack.
:06:47. > :06:48.Most recently he was living in the West Midlands,
:06:49. > :06:50.although he is also believed to have lived at certain times
:06:51. > :06:55.in different towns in Sussex, as well as Luton and east London.
:06:56. > :07:00.Ajao said he was a "teacher" - although the BBC has been able
:07:01. > :07:03.to confirm that he never worked as a qualified teacher
:07:04. > :07:05.He is also reported to have three children.
:07:06. > :07:07.Ajao had never been convicted of a terrorism offence
:07:08. > :07:10.but we know that some years ago he was investigated in relation
:07:11. > :07:19.He also had previous convictions for possession of a knife,
:07:20. > :07:24.grievous bodily harm and public order offences.
:07:25. > :07:27.This morning the acting Deputy Commissioner
:07:28. > :07:31.of the Metropolitan Police described the challenge facing the police,
:07:32. > :07:34.as they try to establish whether Ajao, or Masood
:07:35. > :07:39.as he was known, is part of a wider network of violent extremists.
:07:40. > :07:41.As I've said previously, our investigation focuses
:07:42. > :07:43.on understanding his motivation, his preparation and his associates.
:07:44. > :07:51.Whilst there is still no evidence of further threats,
:07:52. > :07:53.you will understand our determination is to find out
:07:54. > :08:00.if either he acted totally alone inspired by terrorist propaganda
:08:01. > :08:05.or if others have encouraged, supported or directed him.
:08:06. > :08:09.To that end, in our continuing investigation and ongoing covert
:08:10. > :08:14.activity, we have made two further significant arrests overnight.
:08:15. > :08:18.One in the West Midlands and one in the north-west.
:08:19. > :08:21.We now have nine people remaining in custody and one woman has
:08:22. > :08:29.We remain keen to hear from anyone who Khalid Masood,
:08:30. > :08:35.Anybody who understands who his associates were.
:08:36. > :08:37.Anyone who can provide information about the places
:08:38. > :08:44.There might well be people out there who did have concerns
:08:45. > :08:48.about Masood that weren't sure or didn't feel comfortable
:08:49. > :08:51.for whatever reasons in passing that information to us.
:08:52. > :09:02.I now urge anyone with such information to call us.
:09:03. > :09:04.That of head of counterterrorism at the Metropolitan Police.
:09:05. > :09:06.And we can speak now to the BBC's Security
:09:07. > :09:15.Gordon, at the moment in the public domain, all you know is that he
:09:16. > :09:20.acted alone, at least he was the lone actor on the day. But the
:09:21. > :09:24.police must think there could be more involved given the number of
:09:25. > :09:27.arrests they have made. That absolutely rightful soccer crucial
:09:28. > :09:31.phrase you use there was a lone actor on the day. It's clear he was
:09:32. > :09:34.the only person involved in carrying out the attack, but that doesn't
:09:35. > :09:41.necessarily mean they were not other people who supported him or knew
:09:42. > :09:45.about it or who paps directed and encouraged him to do it. That is the
:09:46. > :09:48.question police really want to answer at the moment because it
:09:49. > :09:51.answers whether there is any residual threat from other
:09:52. > :09:55.individuals out there who might be planning the same. So that is the
:09:56. > :09:57.reason that they are making these arrests, carrying out these
:09:58. > :10:02.searches, to try to understand whether those around him, the people
:10:03. > :10:05.we knew, the contacts he had, were significant and had any
:10:06. > :10:09.foreknowledge or involvement in the attack. The police will be at
:10:10. > :10:15.interrogating those they have been arrested Thomas but I'll assume
:10:16. > :10:19.Gordon, the police will also be trying to collect as much
:10:20. > :10:22.information as possible, not from people arrested, but just from its
:10:23. > :10:27.neighbours and people who might have known him and all the rest, which is
:10:28. > :10:33.where some quite key intelligence could come from I would think?
:10:34. > :10:38.That's right, they've gone to the hotelier where he stayed at just
:10:39. > :10:41.before the attack, talking to the people there, and the other crucial
:10:42. > :10:46.aspect to this is data, and they will look through communication
:10:47. > :10:51.electronics, travel records, for connections, did he have encrypted
:10:52. > :10:55.conversations with anyone? What were those are electronic devices he was
:10:56. > :11:00.using? What was he browsing on the Internet? That could point to
:11:01. > :11:03.whether others were involved, and was there, for instance, a guided
:11:04. > :11:07.hand abroad linked to so-called Islamic State? They have said he was
:11:08. > :11:10.their soldier but that does not necessarily mean they were directly
:11:11. > :11:15.involved in the attack, so that will also be one of the key lines of
:11:16. > :11:21.enquiry. In a way, Gordon, you would hope that it wasn't a sophisticated
:11:22. > :11:27.and highly organised network. He may have had some help, may have had
:11:28. > :11:29.amateurs in a sense like he was, but you would hope it wasn't
:11:30. > :11:35.sophisticated and well-organised, because we've always assumed at that
:11:36. > :11:41.level, our intelligence services will be on it as they have in
:11:42. > :11:43.previous cases where they have thwarted attacks. That's right,
:11:44. > :11:48.because the more sophisticated things are, the more people are
:11:49. > :11:51.involved and the more travel and relocation is involved, the more
:11:52. > :11:54.chances thereof for the intelligence services to find some entry point
:11:55. > :11:59.into a plot to spot one of those people and hope they are under
:12:00. > :12:03.surveillance, to intercept communications, and if it turns out
:12:04. > :12:05.that there were significant other contacts, if there is a network
:12:06. > :12:12.operating in the UK or a guiding hand abroad contacting people in the
:12:13. > :12:17.UK, and the authorities did not know about it, that would be something
:12:18. > :12:21.that will worry them. He wasn't part of the intelligence picture, the
:12:22. > :12:25.current picture, only something historic, and so that indicate they
:12:26. > :12:29.were not aware of people around him or of any contact, so I think they
:12:30. > :12:35.will be looking to establish that or weather, which so far it looks like,
:12:36. > :12:39.he was relatively isolated in his activity. Gordon, thank you very
:12:40. > :12:40.much for that. Let's go now to Birmingham.
:12:41. > :12:43.And I'm joined now by the MP for Birmingham Ladywood,
:12:44. > :12:53.Welcome to the programme. We learned quite a lot of police activity of
:12:54. > :12:56.the last 36 hours has been in part of your constituency, along the
:12:57. > :13:00.Hagley Road. Tell us a bit about that and what the police have been
:13:01. > :13:04.doing there. Andrew, as you know could there have been a number of
:13:05. > :13:09.arrests and police raids on some properties in Hagley Road and the
:13:10. > :13:14.Winston Green area of my constituency, which is not too far
:13:15. > :13:17.away. There is obviously community concern about that. Nobody wants to
:13:18. > :13:23.wake up and find they might have been living next door to a
:13:24. > :13:27.terrorist, a murderer, or anybody involved in that horrific terrorist
:13:28. > :13:31.attack and there is some community concern and the police have been
:13:32. > :13:34.very active and obviously arrests have been made and that sends
:13:35. > :13:40.reassurance investigation is continuing apace. I assume the
:13:41. > :13:43.arrests had been made and we've seen the pictures of the police on the
:13:44. > :13:46.Hagley Road and around the area, but I assume the police and also just be
:13:47. > :13:52.trying to find out from the locals there what they know, what they can
:13:53. > :13:56.tell? It may not seem important but in the broader picture of things, it
:13:57. > :14:00.could be and the police will be doing that in that part of your
:14:01. > :14:03.constituency? Yes, absolutely, there's been a strong message sent
:14:04. > :14:08.out to anybody in the area that if they know anything, if they saw
:14:09. > :14:12.Khalid Masood, they should share that information with the police. We
:14:13. > :14:18.have seen in the media in the last day or two, some residents in my
:14:19. > :14:21.area who may have lived next door to him or known him speaking to the
:14:22. > :14:24.media and also the police, as well, so anybody who knows anything of
:14:25. > :14:28.course is being encouraged to share that information with the police.
:14:29. > :14:31.There is a member of Unity community events planned for today and
:14:32. > :14:35.tomorrow as well and I know that message will go out very strongly
:14:36. > :14:39.and also Friday prayers across the city, people will send out a very
:14:40. > :14:43.clear message that anybody who knows anything about Khalid Masood, his
:14:44. > :14:47.associates, must share that information with the police.
:14:48. > :14:49.Birmingham has gone to a remarkable renaissance in recent years,
:14:50. > :14:55.particularly in the city centre. We see that in the picture behind you,
:14:56. > :15:00.which deaths looks wonderful. Is there a concern that fairly or
:15:01. > :15:05.unfairly, Birmingham is also getting a name for being a terrorist
:15:06. > :15:09.hotspot? I think of course there's been some recent academic research
:15:10. > :15:13.on members of terrorist convictions across the country which shows that
:15:14. > :15:16.Birmingham has the second-largest number of very considerably behind
:15:17. > :15:22.London. That is what you would expect in terms of the size of our
:15:23. > :15:26.city and the population here, but I think I would say that it is unfair
:15:27. > :15:31.to characterise our city in that way. You have to look at those
:15:32. > :15:34.numbers in context. We are talking about 39 convictions for terrorism
:15:35. > :15:40.from 1998 onwards in a city that has a Muslim population of 235,000, so
:15:41. > :15:44.we're talking about very small numbers but it's important we learn
:15:45. > :15:48.about those 39 and we think about the patterns and pathways towards
:15:49. > :15:52.radicalisation is that those 39 took so we can learn lessons, not just as
:15:53. > :15:56.a city but as a country because it never bodies interests and our
:15:57. > :15:58.desire to find out a way to completely eliminate this problem
:15:59. > :16:02.which is exactly what we all want to do. The numbers are higher because
:16:03. > :16:07.you are the second city is well and the population is bigger.
:16:08. > :16:13.A Are you satisfied that within the many and varied Muslim communities
:16:14. > :16:18.there are in the Greater Birmingham area, that most do feel comfortable,
:16:19. > :16:23.feel willing to come forward and give what help, what knowledge, what
:16:24. > :16:28.information they can to the police and Security Services? I mean
:16:29. > :16:31.certainly in my own personal spears, I have dealt with constituents who
:16:32. > :16:35.felt that they might have information that's useful to the
:16:36. > :16:38.police and they have never felt any compunction about sharing that with
:16:39. > :16:41.the police. I think there is a wider question around in particular the
:16:42. > :16:46.Government's Prevent strategy, which, you know, has been in the
:16:47. > :16:49.press a lot as to whether or not it has lost the confidence of the
:16:50. > :16:52.Muslim community, not just in Birmingham but across the country
:16:53. > :16:59.and I think Prevent in my experience has both good and bad aspects. There
:17:00. > :17:03.is someexaminent work that has taken place in Birmingham which has been
:17:04. > :17:06.effective. -- some excellent work. Which has prevented young people
:17:07. > :17:11.from travelling to Syria to take part in the fighting. But there has
:17:12. > :17:16.been some terrible practice and clangors by front line staff in
:17:17. > :17:18.terms of referring young children, in inappropriate circumstances, to
:17:19. > :17:22.various aspects of the Prevent strategy. I think the way to
:17:23. > :17:26.improve, that build further resilience and confidence in the
:17:27. > :17:30.community is to have a regular independent assessment of Prevent.
:17:31. > :17:34.We can learn where it is doing well and mainstream that and also
:17:35. > :17:38.eliminate bad practice to give communities further confidence that
:17:39. > :17:40.they are not being spied on and they must feel entirely comfortable
:17:41. > :17:43.sharing everything they know with the Security Services and police. I
:17:44. > :17:51.understand. It is very interesting. Let me ask you one final question.
:17:52. > :17:53.Do the people of Birmingham, their elected representatives like
:17:54. > :17:57.yourselves, the authorities, is there still much more to do yet on
:17:58. > :18:03.some problems that Birmingham schools have had with some sort of
:18:04. > :18:07.extremist atmosphere and environment here, and with extremist preachers?
:18:08. > :18:12.Are these two issue that is still need work done in the city? I think
:18:13. > :18:17.there has been some good work after the so-called Trojan Horse scandal,
:18:18. > :18:20.the issue you are referring to in relation to some Birmingham schools.
:18:21. > :18:23.That's about reasserting the norms around governance of schools and the
:18:24. > :18:26.responsibilities of governing bodies and I think the council and local
:18:27. > :18:30.authority accepted that there were errors they had made in not
:18:31. > :18:33.asserting the rules around governance properly and I think that
:18:34. > :18:37.has been dealt with but I would say that there is always work to do
:18:38. > :18:41.across our communities to build resilience, to make sure that we
:18:42. > :18:45.stamp out extremist, whether that is preachers or publication or
:18:46. > :18:49.literature. I think actually, if I was focussing resources, the thing I
:18:50. > :18:52.would really spend money on is on in the online space and asking tech
:18:53. > :19:00.companies, Google and others, that they need to do much more work and
:19:01. > :19:03.take much more responsibility about the sorts of material on their
:19:04. > :19:05.platforms which I think is accounting for a lot of online
:19:06. > :19:09.grooming and radicalisation that we are seeing particularly of young
:19:10. > :19:13.people. That is where we, across this country, have the biggest
:19:14. > :19:17.problem but I also think it is where we can come up with the best
:19:18. > :19:20.practical solution, working with the tech companies, making them take
:19:21. > :19:24.responsibility and getting the material off the online platforms.
:19:25. > :19:28.You are not the first politician to mention that to me this week, your
:19:29. > :19:32.fellow Birmingham area MP, Liam Byrne was on this programme talking
:19:33. > :19:36.about that earlier and making the same powerful points you are.
:19:37. > :19:38.Shabana Mahmood, we have to leer it there. Thank you for your time. --
:19:39. > :19:42.leave it there. Do the police and intelligence
:19:43. > :19:44.services have enough resources In the last parliament,
:19:45. > :19:48.the Government brought forward That would have given the police
:19:49. > :19:51.and the security services more powers to access
:19:52. > :19:53.people's digital communications. But that was dubbed the "Snooper's
:19:54. > :19:58.Charter" by its opponents. And in 2013, the then-Deputy
:19:59. > :20:00.Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, said that his Liberal Democrat MPs
:20:01. > :20:04.would block the bill In 2016, the Conservative
:20:05. > :20:10.Government brought forward a new piece of legislation -
:20:11. > :20:14.the Investigatory Powers Act. This gave the authorities more
:20:15. > :20:17.limited powers than had been Under the terms of the act,
:20:18. > :20:21.the police are allowed to see which websites
:20:22. > :20:26.suspects have visited. But they're not allowed to see
:20:27. > :20:28.the specific web pages In terms of funding,
:20:29. > :20:33.the Government is planning to spend an extra ?3.4 billion
:20:34. > :20:38.on counter-terrorism over And ministers say they will hire
:20:39. > :20:46.an extra 1,900 staff at MI5, However, the Government did cut
:20:47. > :20:51.police spending in real terms Total spending on the police
:20:52. > :20:59.in England and Wales fell from ?13.6 billion in 2010-11
:21:00. > :21:03.to ?11.7 billion in 2014-15. After the election in 2015,
:21:04. > :21:07.the Government said they would protect the police's
:21:08. > :21:14.budget in this parliament. The Security Minister, Ben Wallace,
:21:15. > :21:16.was on this programme yesterday and Jo asked him if the authorities
:21:17. > :21:19.currently have the Do you think the security services
:21:20. > :21:32.and GCHQ have enough resources to tackle all the potential suspects
:21:33. > :21:35.that could perform this sort I meet with them regularly and I ask
:21:36. > :21:41.and this Government has increased resources to fighting
:21:42. > :21:43.counter-terrorism across Government and internationally by 30%
:21:44. > :21:45.over this parliament. We have expanded MI6,
:21:46. > :21:53.MI5 and GCHQ to meet the threat and we are very alive to asking
:21:54. > :21:56.those agencies whether they have To discuss this we've been joined by
:21:57. > :22:05.the Liberal Democrat peer and former Deputy Assistant Commissioner
:22:06. > :22:06.of the Metropolitan And in our Exeter studio is
:22:07. > :22:18.the Conservative MP Johnny Mercer. Welcome to the both. Brian Paddick,
:22:19. > :22:24.you want to move away from blanket surveillance towards more targeted
:22:25. > :22:28.monitoring. But maybe the only way that you pick up somebody like
:22:29. > :22:35.Masood is by blanket surveillance. It is interesting, Andrew, I was
:22:36. > :22:39.briefed by the Security Services. I visited GCHQ during the discussions
:22:40. > :22:46.around the investigatory powers act. They did not need the blanket web
:22:47. > :22:51.history information that you referred to before. They say that
:22:52. > :22:56.they have other means of identifying that information. So, those powers
:22:57. > :23:00.are eroding people's civil liberties, they are eroding freedom,
:23:01. > :23:02.which is of course what the extremists want, and Security
:23:03. > :23:07.Services say that they don't need those powers. The Security Services
:23:08. > :23:12.wanted the investigatory powers act. I'm not saying we are against that
:23:13. > :23:17.act as a whole, there are some good elements. But they want it as a
:23:18. > :23:21.whole? The Security Services said they did not need and did not want
:23:22. > :23:27.what is called internet connection records which is the web history of
:23:28. > :23:31.every citizen of this history being held for 12 months. This is the
:23:32. > :23:37.information about every web page... I see. So this is the actual pages
:23:38. > :23:46.as opposed to the sites. Exactly. What do you say to that Mr Mercer.
:23:47. > :23:50.If someone is regularly visiting Islamic State.com, in a way you
:23:51. > :23:54.really need to know what the actual pages are, they are looking at. The
:23:55. > :23:57.fact that they are going on to that website, which you can find out,
:23:58. > :24:03.isn't that enough to put a red flag up? Well, I don't really recognise
:24:04. > :24:06.what your other guest is saying in terms of what the Security Services
:24:07. > :24:09.need in terms of powers. I think, you know, this bill has come,
:24:10. > :24:14.through it's been scrutinised by three committees. It's been changed,
:24:15. > :24:17.it's had all the attention that it gets going through Parliament and it
:24:18. > :24:22.has been fed into by professionals and this is what they have asked
:24:23. > :24:25.for, or required to keep us safe. I don't really think it is for
:24:26. > :24:29.politicians and others to sort of make political points around civil
:24:30. > :24:32.liberties. We all understand the points around civil liberties and
:24:33. > :24:38.how important they are, but, you know, freedom isn't free. We have to
:24:39. > :24:41.protect our way of life and if those we are going to ask to do that
:24:42. > :24:46.require extra nous a digital age, which is becoming more complex, I
:24:47. > :24:55.think we should give it to them. -- require extra powers. But Brian
:24:56. > :24:59.Paddick's point was on the security servings he says, said they didn't
:25:00. > :25:04.need to know all the web pages everybody has visited. OK, well, he
:25:05. > :25:10.said, she said, I can't comment on the specifics of his conversations
:25:11. > :25:13.in GCHQ. I know that intelligence and Security Services that I have
:25:14. > :25:20.worked with in the past, you know, we need the tools at our disposal to
:25:21. > :25:26.be able to do the job and one of those is surveillance, an electronic
:25:27. > :25:29.surveillance of individuals, to try and identify these attack that is
:25:30. > :25:34.are really really difficult to identify. Can I clarify this. If the
:25:35. > :25:36.intelligence services get intelligence that somebody is a
:25:37. > :25:41.suspected terrorists. We have no problem at all, from that moment
:25:42. > :25:45.onwards, that person's communications, every website they
:25:46. > :25:52.visited, that information being accessible. Would they need a
:25:53. > :25:56.warrant for that? They would not need a warrant to be able to ask the
:25:57. > :26:01.internet service provider to provide details of the last 12 months of
:26:02. > :26:06.every web page. They don't need a warrant for under that these powers.
:26:07. > :26:09.What we are saying if somebody is suspected from that moment on, keep
:26:10. > :26:13.that information. But not every innocent member of the public in
:26:14. > :26:17.this country. The other concern that I have, is, yes, there is all this
:26:18. > :26:22.money going into the Security Service, but the budgets are being
:26:23. > :26:27.cut for the police. So what we saw on Wednesday was this individual,
:26:28. > :26:31.nowhere on the radar as far as the Security Services are concerned,
:26:32. > :26:35.carrying out this attack. But he had been on the radar but didn't seem to
:26:36. > :26:38.be worthwhile keeping him on it. Not currently on the radar. And there
:26:39. > :26:41.are not sufficient armed police or community police officers who could
:26:42. > :26:45.be working with communities around the country, getting the information
:26:46. > :26:48.that the Security Services need, so they can target their resources more
:26:49. > :26:51.accurately on the most dangerous people. That community - those
:26:52. > :26:55.community policing officers are being cutback. There are
:26:56. > :26:58.insufficient armed officers because the Metropolitan Police, for
:26:59. > :27:03.example, has had ?1 billion cut from its budget in the last six years.
:27:04. > :27:09.Let me put to that Jonny Mercer, Conservative MP. Total police
:27:10. > :27:14.spending in England and Wales was 13.6 billion pounds in 2011, by 2015
:27:15. > :27:20.it was 11.7. That's in real terms. So in cash terms, of course, much,
:27:21. > :27:24.much bigger. You can all the sophisticated electronic equipment
:27:25. > :27:28.in the world but nothing beats a local person coming up to the bobby
:27:29. > :27:34.and saying -- I'm a bit worried about what is happening in number
:27:35. > :27:37.24. Absolutely. Look the spend around counter-terrorism, the
:27:38. > :27:41.visible part of policing that is so important in our communities, is as
:27:42. > :27:45.important as it has ever been but the digital threat around technology
:27:46. > :27:57.and so on, as your previous MP from Birmingham was saying - that is
:27:58. > :28:00.xoencely growing all -- oxpoentiallye spanning all the time.
:28:01. > :28:08.It is a team effort across government. Sure but you have cut it
:28:09. > :28:11.in real terms. But it is across Government to try to counter the
:28:12. > :28:16.threats we saw earlier this week. Not only the police, in other areas
:28:17. > :28:18.as W it is at times like this we defeat this as a teenagers at
:28:19. > :28:29.politicians, police, community providers. I don't think it is
:28:30. > :28:36.really a time for cheap politic about an existential threat. Excuse
:28:37. > :28:40.What is the cheap political point? The point coming from your, from the
:28:41. > :28:45.other speaker is that the Government has cut this, that and the other.
:28:46. > :28:49.They have made challenges decisions in a fiscal environment. But around
:28:50. > :28:52.armed officers it is an operational policing decision. The Home
:28:53. > :28:55.Secretary and Government doesn't stipulate how many armed officers
:28:56. > :28:58.you have. We have a very challenging set of threats that is getting
:28:59. > :29:02.greater all the time. I think the police is doing a good job and we
:29:03. > :29:10.should get behind them. You don't think it is legitimate that at a
:29:11. > :29:15.time when Westminster has just been under attack, to raise the matter
:29:16. > :29:19.for public debate that the police budget has been cut by ?2 billion in
:29:20. > :29:24.real terms. It is surely not a cheap political point. It is a perfectly
:29:25. > :29:29.legitimate matter to raise. Yeah, the police budget that you have been
:29:30. > :29:37.talking about has been cut, what about all the other spending into
:29:38. > :29:44.Security Services and the growth around MI5 and MI6 and QCHF. These
:29:45. > :29:48.are all the measures we bring into the counter-terrorism fight.
:29:49. > :29:52.Paul Waugh has been listening, there is more money for the intelligence
:29:53. > :30:00.services, and there will be more but in this current envainment cutting
:30:01. > :30:09.police money will be more difficult. Don't forget he was Home Secretary
:30:10. > :30:13.when the cats took place. Now maybe the idea that neighbourhood policing
:30:14. > :30:18.has been cut, that message will be ahead of it louder. Of course, don't
:30:19. > :30:22.forget, too, for the Prime Minister, she was behind this new
:30:23. > :30:26.investigatory Powers act, that, at the same time, she's got someone in
:30:27. > :30:30.her Cabinet, David Davis, who was a big civil libertarian and we didn't
:30:31. > :30:34.see in her statement yesterday, as powerful as it was, was no
:30:35. > :30:39.suggestion of extra powers, extra legislation, no repeat of Tony Blair
:30:40. > :30:43.seven 712 point plan, she was very clear for not to make any promises
:30:44. > :30:49.in terms of new powers. There was no policy changes, which was
:30:50. > :30:52.interesting. She didn't go down that road falls of the government would
:30:53. > :30:58.say these budgets have been cut. That, actually, crime has fallen,
:30:59. > :31:02.the counterterrorist police have thwarted 13 attempts to attack our
:31:03. > :31:06.nation, and the police are doing more with less. Yes, that's always
:31:07. > :31:09.been their argument and also the ointment has been about the changing
:31:10. > :31:13.nature of crime, the fact we are much more likely, instead of having
:31:14. > :31:17.our house burgled and robbed on the street, it's defined people
:31:18. > :31:22.accessing our bank accounts, so the very nature of crime is changed so
:31:23. > :31:26.community policing is not as valid as it was before when they were
:31:27. > :31:31.having to physically go to people's houses and interview them about
:31:32. > :31:34.break-ins etc, so that has been one argument. It is interesting she
:31:35. > :31:40.didn't say anything yesterday about extra powers and the new review of
:31:41. > :31:44.terrorism was actually quite clear he thought not only did we have
:31:45. > :31:48.enough powers but perhaps we had too many powers. It's interesting that
:31:49. > :31:52.that narrative was coming out before this but I think the attack will
:31:53. > :31:56.change that a game. As a person who was Home Secretary for six years
:31:57. > :32:04.beforehand, she found herself in the unusual position, saying, wide and
:32:05. > :32:09.you get powers when you are Home Secretary? It's interesting having a
:32:10. > :32:12.Prime Minister who was Home Secretary covering these vital
:32:13. > :32:16.issues coming to the fore even more after what happened there. Thank you
:32:17. > :32:20.be joining us this morning. We believe that there. -- we will leave
:32:21. > :32:22.it there. Yesterday, in the House of Commons,
:32:23. > :32:24.the Prime Minister paid tribute to the police and the emergency
:32:25. > :32:27.services for their response Theresa May's statement was followed
:32:28. > :32:30.by a series of speeches by MPs. Here's just some of
:32:31. > :32:32.their contributions. Tragically, as the House
:32:33. > :32:35.will know, 48-year-old PC PC Palmer had devoted his life
:32:36. > :32:45.to the service of his country. He had been a member
:32:46. > :32:47.of the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command for 15
:32:48. > :32:51.years and a soldier He was a husband and a father,
:32:52. > :33:00.killed doing a job he loved. He was every inch a hero and his
:33:01. > :33:05.actions will never be forgotten. We see the police and
:33:06. > :33:09.security every day. They're our colleagues,
:33:10. > :33:12.they're fellow workers, they're friends, they're neighbours
:33:13. > :33:16.and as the Prime Minister said, when dangerous and violent
:33:17. > :33:20.incidents take place, we all instinctively run away
:33:21. > :33:24.from them, for our own safety, the police and emergency services
:33:25. > :33:27.run towards them. We are grateful for the public
:33:28. > :33:32.service yesterday, today and every day that they pull on their uniforms
:33:33. > :33:38.to protect us all. No terrorist outrage
:33:39. > :33:42.is representative of any faith, or of any faith community
:33:43. > :33:46.and we recommit ourselves to strengthening the bonds
:33:47. > :33:49.of tolerance and understanding. Those who attack us hate our
:33:50. > :33:54.freedom, our peaceful democracy, our love of country,
:33:55. > :33:57.our tolerance, our Now, as we work to unravel how this
:33:58. > :34:04.unspeakable attack happened, will she agree with me that we must
:34:05. > :34:09.not, either in our laws or by our actions, curtail these values,
:34:10. > :34:14.indeed we should have more of them? This was an horrific crime and it
:34:15. > :34:20.has cost lives and caused injuries but as an act of terror,
:34:21. > :34:24.it has failed. It has failed because we are here
:34:25. > :34:28.and we are going to go It's failed because,
:34:29. > :34:32.despite the trauma that they witnessed outside their windows,
:34:33. > :34:36.our staff are here and they are It failed because, as the Prime
:34:37. > :34:42.Minister so rightly said, we are not going to allow this to be
:34:43. > :34:47.used as a pretext for division, This democracy is strong and this
:34:48. > :34:55.Parliament is robust. This was an horrific
:34:56. > :34:58.crime but as an act With your indulgence, Sir,
:34:59. > :35:04.I would like to turn for a moment to PC Keith Palmer,
:35:05. > :35:08.who I first met 25 years ago as Gunner Keith Palmer
:35:09. > :35:11.at Headquarters Battery, He was a strong, professional,
:35:12. > :35:23.public servant... And it was a delight to meet him
:35:24. > :35:41.here again only a few months A difficult time there for the
:35:42. > :35:44.Conservative MP. There were many tributes to PC Palmer in the debate
:35:45. > :35:50.and a recognition of the carnage that it happened on Westminster
:35:51. > :35:54.Bridge where the attacker had driven along that bridge knowing people
:35:55. > :36:00.down, much worse in the end than we thought it was when we first heard
:36:01. > :36:04.about it and even last night, 75-year-old man died of his
:36:05. > :36:08.injuries. So for both inside and outside the Houses of Parliament of
:36:09. > :36:14.Westminster, this was a very, very difficult time for the capital city.
:36:15. > :36:19.Caroline, one thing they may have changed, in recent years,
:36:20. > :36:22.Westminster has become almost a term of derision, it has become, for many
:36:23. > :36:30.who want to attack the political system here, the way Washington is a
:36:31. > :36:33.term of derision for a lot of American politicians in the
:36:34. > :36:38.heartlands. I would suggest, after seeing that and after what has
:36:39. > :36:42.happened, more difficult to make it a term of derision now. Yes, I think
:36:43. > :36:47.you are right. It changes the narrative around it, and there was
:36:48. > :36:52.people looking down their noses and actually when you looked at what was
:36:53. > :36:56.said in the chamber, the words of solidarity with PC Palmer who
:36:57. > :37:01.basically gave his life to protect thousands of people who work in that
:37:02. > :37:05.building, it's not just about the MPs and the privileged elite, there
:37:06. > :37:10.are members of staff cleaners, who work in that building who do that
:37:11. > :37:14.job day in, day out, knowing it's always going to be a focus of
:37:15. > :37:18.attention for people that want to disrupt our way of life and inflict
:37:19. > :37:22.harm on our democratic processes. We always talk about the Westminster
:37:23. > :37:34.village and the bubble, how cut off we are from the rest of the country.
:37:35. > :37:38.But the attacker, unwittingly, has also shown that this village has
:37:39. > :37:44.many fine people in it who have risen to the occasion of what the
:37:45. > :37:49.atrocities have happened. Very much so. The Foreign Office minister was
:37:50. > :37:53.very directly involved, Toby Elmore. I had the dubious privilege of
:37:54. > :37:58.having an office which looked over and seeing him try desperately to
:37:59. > :38:05.save the peace man's life along with other paramedics and policemen. --
:38:06. > :38:09.policeman. Maybe this is a tidal change now because is not just
:38:10. > :38:14.Westminster but Westminster Bridge where it happened and to many, many
:38:15. > :38:17.people see that as a national symbol of that view across the bridge of
:38:18. > :38:22.Big Ben, why ceremony people go there, tourists, and that's why one
:38:23. > :38:26.of those people who died yesterday where there and today we find out we
:38:27. > :38:33.had a pensioner who has been named as having been killed in his own
:38:34. > :38:37.city. Yes, from Streatham. Exactly. Westminster is all of us in the
:38:38. > :38:38.sense it represents all of us, and maybe that is exactly why he made
:38:39. > :38:41.the wrong move attacking it. Now, as we know, the Prime Minister
:38:42. > :38:44.will next Wednesday formally inform the European Union of the UK's
:38:45. > :38:46.intention to leave the EU. Ahead of this key moment
:38:47. > :38:58.on the journey to Brexit, I've got I can't even say at! It has been a
:38:59. > :39:03.And it's this: Which member of the EU makes the most cars?
:39:04. > :39:05.By one measure it's Slovakia, which produces more vehicles
:39:06. > :39:12.You did not see that coming! The population is not huge.
:39:13. > :39:16.So do they see Brexit as an opportunity to rev
:39:17. > :39:20.up their industry at the expense of the UK?
:39:21. > :39:28.Adam's been to the Slovak capital Bratislava to find out.
:39:29. > :39:31.A massive garage for a country that makes a lot of cars.
:39:32. > :39:36.Peugeot, Citroen, they've got a factory here.
:39:37. > :39:38.There's a few Kias around around here.
:39:39. > :39:45.There's a Porsche Cayenne over there.
:39:46. > :39:48.That's made in Slovakia as well and over there is a Land Rover
:39:49. > :39:53.and in a couple of years they'll be manufactured in Slovakia too.
:39:54. > :39:55.The three big car manufacturers based here produce more
:39:56. > :40:02.Along with their suppliers, they account for around a quarter
:40:03. > :40:06.of a million jobs and 13% of the country's national income.
:40:07. > :40:18.The Economy Minister has lured them here with tax breaks and government
:40:19. > :40:22.money and it sounds like more could be on the way.
:40:23. > :40:26.Many companies want to remove from the UK to European countries
:40:27. > :40:28.and we offer these companies the possibility to place
:40:29. > :40:37.Obviously you're discussing with car companies moving
:40:38. > :40:51.With companies based in the UK, they want to remove their businesses
:40:52. > :41:00.But, because the UK is also a big market for Slovakia,
:41:01. > :41:02.he wants the Brexit negotiations to produce a free trade
:41:03. > :41:13.I support this agreement and I think it is good for business and good
:41:14. > :41:16.for creating jobs for the both economies, for the European Union
:41:17. > :41:20.economy and for the UK economy it will be a challenge,
:41:21. > :41:26.He suggests something along the lines of a trade deal struck
:41:27. > :41:29.between the EU and Canada, although he also says it would have
:41:30. > :41:33.to include some form of freedom of movement.
:41:34. > :41:38.When it comes to the Brexit negotiations, there are another 26
:41:39. > :41:43.But it does give us an interesting idea what direction
:41:44. > :41:57.And we've been joined by the chairman of the Commons
:41:58. > :42:01.Business Select Committee, Iain Wright.
:42:02. > :42:11.Welcome to the programme. In general terms, how big a risk is the country
:42:12. > :42:15.like Slovenia, in chunks of our car industry moving there? On the +, the
:42:16. > :42:19.British car industry is a real success story. We have a great
:42:20. > :42:24.workforce, it's very productive and efficient and it's not easy to
:42:25. > :42:28.replicate it. Very high-tech. Exactly, so the degree of innovation
:42:29. > :42:32.going into our cars, it's a good success story but, having said that,
:42:33. > :42:36.car manufacturers, multinationals, they want access to the widest
:42:37. > :42:40.possible customer base and that will mean being part of the single market
:42:41. > :42:46.and so if you own a car company and you are thinking where do I'd put my
:42:47. > :42:49.latest investment? You could think this so much uncertainty about
:42:50. > :42:56.Brexit, I think I will have my new model in wherever. Because then I
:42:57. > :43:02.know I'm totally inside. There's no tariffs, barriers, and I can bring
:43:03. > :43:10.labour in and out as well. Did they miss something when economic
:43:11. > :43:13.minister Dave tax breaks and incentives to go there? I thought
:43:14. > :43:18.the EU was meant to be a level playing field? I think other
:43:19. > :43:22.countries use state aid rules for the national economy is better than
:43:23. > :43:28.we do. It's a frustration. You mean we don't cheat like they do? Cheat
:43:29. > :43:33.is a strong web that help your comparative strengths. It's a case
:43:34. > :43:37.of having to protect our national economies, not in a protectionist
:43:38. > :43:42.sense, but this is a fiercely competitive global race and it's how
:43:43. > :43:47.do we protect our global manufacturing in Britain? As you
:43:48. > :43:51.say, our car industry, after having been, I was an industrial
:43:52. > :43:55.correspondence in the 70s, it was a joke in Europe, and is now a huge
:43:56. > :43:59.success story. Some of our plants are the most efficient in the world.
:44:00. > :44:03.You have been bitten what needs to be done to the car industry, what
:44:04. > :44:11.the government needs to do to remain a success post Brexit. What have you
:44:12. > :44:16.found? There are two things. The long-term view, you don't just start
:44:17. > :44:20.a car manufacturing plant tomorrow. It takes time to be able to turn
:44:21. > :44:23.things around and so having that long-term view as part of an
:44:24. > :44:28.industrial strategy, which favoured areas of competitive strength, that,
:44:29. > :44:31.in the short to medium term with regards to Brexit, we've got to
:44:32. > :44:35.provide certainty as much as possible and replicate the nature of
:44:36. > :44:40.the single market in order to provide confidence for those car
:44:41. > :44:43.manufacturers. I heard him saying Slovenia would be happy with the
:44:44. > :44:49.free trade deal for Great Britain along the lines of the Canadian EU
:44:50. > :44:54.free trade deal. Would that be as good, if we are not members of the
:44:55. > :44:59.single market, which we won't be, is a free trade deal as good as it gets
:45:00. > :45:03.and would that be pretty good? It's better than no deal. The Prime
:45:04. > :45:08.Minister said no deal is better than no deal. Than a bad deal. Sorry,
:45:09. > :45:14.yes, that's true but that's a concern because of tariffs, the
:45:15. > :45:19.rules which slapped 10% on car exports for us, that would make is
:45:20. > :45:22.very uncompetitive. I have been saying Slovenia but Slovakia we are
:45:23. > :45:32.talking about here. A deal was done with it Nissan cars
:45:33. > :45:36.which seemed to keep Nissan happy but one of the problems is we don't
:45:37. > :45:40.really know what that deal s if it was a deal in the sense of an
:45:41. > :45:43.actually written down deal as opposed to ministers saying - don't
:45:44. > :45:47.worry everything would be fine. Would it not be helpful if there was
:45:48. > :45:51.more transparency and other car manufacturers can see what is on
:45:52. > :45:55.offer from the British Government? I do think that's fair, Nissan in my
:45:56. > :45:59.part of the world, and it is important for the north-east economy
:46:00. > :46:02.but the likes of Toyota and Honda will be saying, if Nissan gets
:46:03. > :46:06.something, what about us but it is not a done deal, Nissan have gone on
:46:07. > :46:09.the record saying they are reevaluating their investment in the
:46:10. > :46:13.light of what might happen with the Brexit negotiations. So this is
:46:14. > :46:17.going to come to the fore, this is all the stuff we'll have to to get
:46:18. > :46:20.across once Article 50 is industriered. That is he a right. It
:46:21. > :46:23.seems like a long time coming we are finally at this point where the
:46:24. > :46:27.negotiations will start finally and trade will be a very big aspect of
:46:28. > :46:30.that. I can tell you now, we have Liam Fox writing for us in the
:46:31. > :46:33.Sunday Express this week where hopefully he will answer some of the
:46:34. > :46:37.ideas about what the processes are going to look at in terms of our
:46:38. > :46:44.trade... I bet he doesn't. Do you think that's going to be pulled
:46:45. > :46:49.then? I hope not. One of the interesting thing about cars, I have
:46:50. > :46:53.a friend who works in t and he points out it is a low margin
:46:54. > :46:58.industry and if there are tariffs it makes a difference and that's why
:46:59. > :47:02.someone like Liam Fox has to sort out is a long-term or transitional
:47:03. > :47:08.deal. The whole tariff business is a two-way stream, if they put tariffs
:47:09. > :47:10.in our cars that makes us less competitive, although we have been
:47:11. > :47:15.much less competitive with the fall in the pound. But we, I assume put
:47:16. > :47:21.tariffs in their car, that may not be overall a sensible thing o to do.
:47:22. > :47:26.That would mean people would be more inclined to buy a Jaguar than
:47:27. > :47:29.Mercedes, more inclined to buy a car made here than in France, for
:47:30. > :47:33.example. It is difficult to see what is in the wash in the end? I think
:47:34. > :47:36.you demonstrate it is in all of our interests that we get a good deal.
:47:37. > :47:40.We don't know either of these things. But having said, that the
:47:41. > :47:46.likes of France and Spain may be saying - hang on, we could aFrank
:47:47. > :47:50.these car manufacturing plants and provide employment that's currently
:47:51. > :47:54.in the UK, on to the continent. So we have to be important. One final
:47:55. > :47:59.thing on, that the Peugeot-Citroen take over the Vauxhall, the remnant
:48:00. > :48:03.part of General Motors in Europe, the fact that the French Government
:48:04. > :48:08.has a combhing in that, that must be a little bit worrying? Of course it
:48:09. > :48:11.is. It is the year of the French presidential election, any candidate
:48:12. > :48:17.will be saying - what can we offer you, what sort of sweet heart deal
:48:18. > :48:19.can we do? There is a considerable undercapacity in European car plants
:48:20. > :48:23.and so they could move production. So it is a concern and the British
:48:24. > :48:28.Government does need to provide clarity and certainty on that. We
:48:29. > :48:31.will keep across all of this as the Article 50 talks get under way and
:48:32. > :48:33.Ian Wright I hope you come back and continue to brief us on this. Thank
:48:34. > :48:35.you. The terrorist attack on Wednesday
:48:36. > :48:37.has rightly commanded the attention of politicians,
:48:38. > :48:39.the public and the media. But while politics-as-normal has
:48:40. > :48:46.been suspended for 48 hours, politics this week has been
:48:47. > :48:54.as lively as ever. Labour's deputy lead accused union
:48:55. > :48:58.boss, Len McCluskey, of plotting a hard-left takeover
:48:59. > :49:00.of the party. Sometimes spirits in
:49:01. > :49:05.the Labour Party can run high. George Osborne was the subject
:49:06. > :49:10.of an urgent question in the Commons When I heard that this urgent
:49:11. > :49:19.question had been granted, I thought it was important to be
:49:20. > :49:23.here, although unfortunately we've missed deadline
:49:24. > :49:25.for the Evening Standard. At Prime Minister's Questions,
:49:26. > :49:29.Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn clashed on school funding
:49:30. > :49:31.and grammars but the PM was defiant. Typical Labour, take the advantage
:49:32. > :49:38.and pull up the ladder behind you. Two reports suggest millions
:49:39. > :49:42.of people may have to work longer to qualify for a state pension -
:49:43. > :49:48.possibly until the age of 70. And Martin McGuinness, the IRA
:49:49. > :50:05.commander-turned peace maker, So things did go on as normal even
:50:06. > :50:10.as we were focussing on the terrorist attack here at Westminster
:50:11. > :50:16.this week. The Labour Party leadership - can I suggest that this
:50:17. > :50:20.battle for the leadership of night night has become a proxy war for the
:50:21. > :50:26.liedership of the Labour Party. -- of Unite. You have pro-Corbyn in
:50:27. > :50:30.McCluskey and anti-Corbyn in the challenger I think that's what Tom
:50:31. > :50:36.Watson was trying to do, in effect say - if you vote for Len McCluskey,
:50:37. > :50:43.you vote for death of the Labour Party. Whereas if you vote for the
:50:44. > :50:48.other candidate, you stop the hold that the har left have on T I think
:50:49. > :50:51.there is this notion that they are going to fund Momentum candidates
:50:52. > :50:54.rather than moderate Labour candidates and we have seen it going
:50:55. > :50:57.on in Birmingham with the mayoral context up there. You can frame it
:50:58. > :51:02.within that argument, I think. I don't get the - am I right in
:51:03. > :51:06.thinking Mr McCluskey is still pretty much the favourite to be
:51:07. > :51:09.re-elected? Yes, most people I talk to, it is not measured just by the
:51:10. > :51:12.nominations that he gets but he is 80% ahead in terms of the
:51:13. > :51:16.nominations but more importantly in terms of the impact on the Labour
:51:17. > :51:18.Party, I was outside the Parliamentary Labour Party meeting
:51:19. > :51:25.on Monday night, one of my duties I do every week on a Monday. You did a
:51:26. > :51:31.great report. Have you got a tumbler up against the wall? A good mobile
:51:32. > :51:34.phone. I I didn't need the tumbler because the shouts was so loud,
:51:35. > :51:41.people shouting at Jeremy Corbyn. That's why he put out that video
:51:42. > :51:47.trying to reassure people. There was' genuine anger about the
:51:48. > :51:52.briefing going on over Tom Watson. That's why because there was a truce
:51:53. > :51:56.for a while but it boiled over this week because of the Unite election.
:51:57. > :51:59.If George Osborne had been in Parliament on Wednesday afternoon he
:52:00. > :52:03.would have been part of the lock-out, he couldn't have got out,
:52:04. > :52:07.only a mobile phone, battery running out adds many people found and the
:52:08. > :52:11.city of which he is now editor of the biggest local newspaper, would
:52:12. > :52:16.be producing its second edition, or a special edition because the city
:52:17. > :52:21.was under attack. But he couldn't, as editor have done anything about
:52:22. > :52:26.that at all. Is he going to survive as an MP and an editor? That's the
:52:27. > :52:30.question lots and lots of MPs are asking and indeed virtually all the
:52:31. > :52:35.bodies that oversee the sort of standards and conduct of MPs are
:52:36. > :52:42.also looking into this as an issue. The idea that you would consider an
:52:43. > :52:45.MP's job as being a full-time job, and you would really consider being
:52:46. > :52:47.an editor of a newspaper, even a smaller regional newspaper... It is
:52:48. > :52:52.a time-and-a-half job, let me tell you More than full time and that's
:52:53. > :52:56.along with what, he has five or four other jobs on top of that. Don't
:52:57. > :53:00.forget there was due to be a 1922 Committee meeting where he was going
:53:01. > :53:04.to be hauled over the coals by some Tory MPs for this Standard job. As
:53:05. > :53:08.it happened during the urgent question you saw there, a lot of
:53:09. > :53:11.Tory MPs rallied around George Osborne, they didn't like it that
:53:12. > :53:16.Labour was going on the attack so aggressively. So he had respite but
:53:17. > :53:21.Caroline is right, a lot of Tory MPs are still upset. An influential
:53:22. > :53:25.report came out, perhaps of a sign of things to come, the Cridlyn
:53:26. > :53:32.report, the former Director-General of the CBI. All the headlines #3r
:53:33. > :53:36.about, if you are 29, you have to work until you are 96 before you get
:53:37. > :53:41.to retirement, quite rightly it got in the headlines but interesting
:53:42. > :53:45.within it was to end the Tory flagship, actually Labour supported
:53:46. > :53:48.the too, the triple lock on PEPses after 2020, that is going to rise,
:53:49. > :53:53.it is a tough one for politicians, but they do need the money. They do,
:53:54. > :53:57.and the likes of Ros Altman have been calling for the triple lock to
:53:58. > :54:01.be ended for sometime. A couple of months ago she insisted it had been
:54:02. > :54:06.on the table and had been discussed but it is also a kind of - it is one
:54:07. > :54:10.of those issues, it is almost untouchable. It is the grey vote...
:54:11. > :54:14.And they all vote Exactly. It is the centre-piece of what David Cameron,
:54:15. > :54:17.particularly made as his kind of centre-piece, the protection of the
:54:18. > :54:22.pension. But if you look at the economics, if you look at the
:54:23. > :54:27.figures, and nobody is actually guaranteed it beyond 2020, it does
:54:28. > :54:31.start to not make economic sense. Politician lbs pleased by that, it
:54:32. > :54:36.gives them political cover, figures, ammo. But Labour is in a position
:54:37. > :54:39.now to objecting to any cuts to this triple lock and we might have the
:54:40. > :54:43.Tories who abeen done it. That would be a strange set of affairs. It
:54:44. > :54:48.makes it moer difficult for the Tories, if Labour is going to hold
:54:49. > :54:51.on to it. Article 50, triggered Wednesday, negotiations will begin
:54:52. > :54:55.sometime thereafter. It's an historic moment, is it not It is and
:54:56. > :54:58.what the Prime Minister said to the Cabinet this week. She said this is
:54:59. > :55:02.an historic record. I suspect because of that, she is going to put
:55:03. > :55:04.a lot of effort into the phraseology, the crafting, the
:55:05. > :55:08.wording of this lemplt it is not going to be a two paragraph, you
:55:09. > :55:11.know, bye-bye, it'll have real significance and she'll work on this
:55:12. > :55:16.this record. An historic moment in our nation's history? Yes, it is
:55:17. > :55:20.going to be an historic moment and also what is going to happen next in
:55:21. > :55:24.terms of the union. That's the other question mark, what happens with
:55:25. > :55:27.Scotland? They'll resume their talks about a second independence
:55:28. > :55:32.referendum on Tuesday, so it'll have lots of ramifications in lots of
:55:33. > :55:35.quarters. It will indeed. It gives us plenty to talk about.
:55:36. > :55:37.Let's return to the terorrist attack in London and speak
:55:38. > :55:39.to our political correspondent, Eleanor Garnier, who's outside
:55:40. > :55:41.the gates to Parliament where Khalid Masood murdered PC
:55:42. > :55:55.The gates are just right behind her. Eleanor, the saisant Met
:55:56. > :55:57.Commissioner talked this morning about the chaining tone of security
:55:58. > :56:02.outside Parliament. Is there any sign of that yet? Well there are
:56:03. > :56:06.definitely more police officers wandering around Westminster but I
:56:07. > :56:10.think that's happening across London and the rest of the country, too.
:56:11. > :56:13.There is, of course going to be a review of security here at
:56:14. > :56:17.Westminster and that's to be expected after an attack like this
:56:18. > :56:21.One minister hog got caught up in the attack said in temples access to
:56:22. > :56:25.-- one minister who got caught up in the attack said in terms of access
:56:26. > :56:28.to Parliament things would needs to change and I think there are issues
:56:29. > :56:33.about whether or not there are enough armed officers and military
:56:34. > :56:39.on the state but the message has been clear from police chief, the
:56:40. > :56:45.way the security set-up st allowed to design access of Parliament to
:56:46. > :56:47.the heart of democracy, with security measures that are
:56:48. > :56:51.proportionate and also not too intrusive as well. So, yes, there
:56:52. > :56:55.are people who are questioning what is going on and maybe have some
:56:56. > :56:59.concerns but MPs over the last day or so are saying they don't want
:57:00. > :57:05.this area turned into some sort of for the rows with armed guards on
:57:06. > :57:11.every single entrain exit. Does that mean, then, Eleanor as you stland
:57:12. > :57:15.this morning, the guards on the gate, the Carriage Gate into the
:57:16. > :57:18.yard where all the terrible action took place on Wednesday, are the
:57:19. > :57:25.police there still unarmed, the ones on the gate. We know there are armed
:57:26. > :57:29.ones behind them, further n the perimeter defence system, but are
:57:30. > :57:32.they still unarmed in the gate? I have seen armed officers walking
:57:33. > :57:39.past the gates here, not just at this entrance but down the other end
:57:40. > :57:42.too, but more the visitors' entrance and the entrance that journalists
:57:43. > :57:48.can use and MPs and peers. I was here for a couple of hours this
:57:49. > :57:52.morning and I saw quite a few armed officers walking past Carriage Gate.
:57:53. > :57:58.As you say there are officers on the inside as well but also officers hop
:57:59. > :58:03.aren't armed as well. You were covering these events this week, I
:58:04. > :58:06.see behind you, the traffic and tourists and some of them on the
:58:07. > :58:10.green but, there on Parliament Square. It looks like we are getting
:58:11. > :58:14.back to normal here now, is that fair? That's definitely fair,
:58:15. > :58:20.Andrew. Remember, this attack happened not just two days ago, this
:58:21. > :58:23.area I'm standing in was a crime scene 24 hours ago, there were
:58:24. > :58:27.forensics crawling over the cobbles behind me. You almost wouldn't know
:58:28. > :58:32.what had happened on Wednesday, were it not for flags flying at half-mast
:58:33. > :58:38.and flowers that are now being laid in spots around wrems. I've walked
:58:39. > :58:44.through the Palace and the police and the staff that you pass, I think
:58:45. > :58:50.that eye contact, the smile is being held a second longer. Eleanor thank
:58:51. > :58:51.you very much for everything this week.
:58:52. > :58:55.The One O'Clock news is starting over on BBC One now.
:58:56. > :58:59.I'll be back on Sunday with the Sunday Politics, do join me then.