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:00:37. > :00:40.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

:00:41. > :00:43.Campaigning in the French presidential election is suspended

:00:44. > :00:45.after a gunman murdered a policeman in central Paris.

:00:46. > :00:48.The man is thought to be known to the authorities

:00:49. > :00:54.Jeremy Corbyn hits the road as he takes his election campaign

:00:55. > :00:56.on tour, with a warning that school children in England

:00:57. > :01:00.are being squeezed into classrooms 'like sardines'.

:01:01. > :01:05.The shadow schools minister joins me live.

:01:06. > :01:10.Ahead of Brexit talks between Theresa May

:01:11. > :01:12.and Jean Claude Juncker next week, more details of the EU's negotiation

:01:13. > :01:15.strategy come to light - including a demand for protection

:01:16. > :01:24.And at the end of a whirlwind week in politics we've

:01:25. > :01:30.got our bitesize round-up, in just sixty seconds.

:01:31. > :01:38.is the Guardian columnist Zoe Williams, and Laura Perrins, who

:01:39. > :01:48.Let's start with the terror attack in Paris last night and talk

:01:49. > :01:51.to our correspondent there Hugh Scholfield.

:01:52. > :01:57.Apart from the fact that it is dreadful that France and Paris has

:01:58. > :02:03.been hit again, give us the latest. The man has been named camellias

:02:04. > :02:06.called Karim Cheurfi, he's 39, he lived in the eastern Paris suburbs

:02:07. > :02:11.and things have come out this morning about his past. Not for the

:02:12. > :02:16.first time, we learn that this man has a criminal record, back in the

:02:17. > :02:19.early 2000s he was involved in a shooting of police officers for

:02:20. > :02:31.which he served a long time in prison, it was a criminal affair, he

:02:32. > :02:34.shot out some officers who chased him when he was in a stolen car, he

:02:35. > :02:37.was caught and served time in prison. More recently he had come

:02:38. > :02:39.out in 2015 and back in December he came once again upon the radar of

:02:40. > :02:42.the intelligence services this time because he was heard uttering

:02:43. > :02:45.threats about the police, saying he wanted to hit the police again and

:02:46. > :02:48.saying that he was going to get in touch with so-called Islamic State,

:02:49. > :02:51.get hold of weapons and attacked the police. This was reported to

:02:52. > :02:55.intelligence services, they questioned him, commonly denied

:02:56. > :03:00.everything and he was set free in February and now this has happened.

:03:01. > :03:05.Clearly that whole story is giving grist to the mill of people like

:03:06. > :03:08.Marine Le Pen who say that the security services have their hands

:03:09. > :03:13.tied and there's too much laxity in the system and so on. It all happens

:03:14. > :03:17.days before voters go to the polls in the first round of the French

:03:18. > :03:21.presidential election. What has been the impact on the election itself?

:03:22. > :03:26.Will have to wait until Sunday to see that. That's the question on

:03:27. > :03:31.everyone's mind of course, how this might play, the superficial reading

:03:32. > :03:37.I suppose we'll be that it will help Marine Le Pen, a quarter of the

:03:38. > :03:41.electorate is supposedly undecided and it's quite possible that some of

:03:42. > :03:46.those people might say, after what has happened I think Marine Le Pen

:03:47. > :03:49.is right, we need a tougher line. The other parties have been

:03:50. > :03:54.dilly-dallying, they might say, we need someone to get tough on

:03:55. > :03:58.terrorism. Possibly not. Ffos Las Lyon, the conservative right-wing

:03:59. > :04:12.candidate has also been tough on Islamist - slivers. That Francois.

:04:13. > :04:15.Perhaps he makes people feel that the simplistic notions of stopping

:04:16. > :04:19.terrorism in its tracks as Marine Le Pen puts it is simply stick. And

:04:20. > :04:24.Emmanuel Macron the centrist has also been pretty strong on

:04:25. > :04:28.terrorism, all three of those candidates in the last hour have

:04:29. > :04:32.been on TV, making statements because they know they must tailor

:04:33. > :04:37.their reaction very, very carefully today. And how they respond to this

:04:38. > :04:42.will be crucial when it comes to the vote on Sunday. And that vote on

:04:43. > :04:47.Sunday, the four front runners are very tightly drawn together,

:04:48. > :04:49.surprisingly, in what is being billed as the tightest French

:04:50. > :04:52.presidential election for very long time. The whole thing is most

:04:53. > :04:59.extraordinary completely unpredictable. The two front runners

:05:00. > :05:05.for so long were Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron, the centrist, who

:05:06. > :05:08.emerged from the current Socialist government but has distanced himself

:05:09. > :05:13.from it, the youngster of politics who wants to come reshape the look

:05:14. > :05:17.of the French political system. They were both well ahead but they've

:05:18. > :05:21.come down in the polls, they've suffered from being early leaders.

:05:22. > :05:28.Their lead has been frittered away. Francois Fillon has come up behind

:05:29. > :05:32.and so has Emmanuel Macron - Jean-Luc Melenchon who is picking up

:05:33. > :05:37.all the socialist votes, people who would have voted for Benoit Hamon is

:05:38. > :05:40.a bit of a dead duck so Jean-Luc Melenchon is picking up strongly.

:05:41. > :05:45.They are all converging around 20% and that is where it will all be

:05:46. > :05:52.decided, possibly by a small pocket of votes on Sunday. Hugh, thank you

:05:53. > :05:57.very much. Zoe Williams, of the four front runners who do you see in the

:05:58. > :06:02.final two, the run-off? My goodness. It is a living hell. We've been here

:06:03. > :06:08.so often and said Trump cannot possibly do this and this cannot

:06:09. > :06:10.possibly happen... I thought originally in November I thought the

:06:11. > :06:14.French were so counter suggestible that once everyone had a fascist

:06:15. > :06:19.they would not want one. That remained my view for some time.

:06:20. > :06:26.Right now, Jean-Luc Melenchon is a really surprising new entry. A kind

:06:27. > :06:31.of left-wing candidate. Freddie left-wing. It depends what you mean,

:06:32. > :06:37.he looks very left wing because you have a fascist in play. So almost

:06:38. > :06:43.everyone looks left-wing compared to her. How will this incident play?

:06:44. > :06:47.The cliche, everyone presupposes that anyone who is tough on

:06:48. > :06:51.terrorism will win then there is a terrorism incident. I think that

:06:52. > :06:57.like so many incidents of this sort if you are doing Isis's work for

:06:58. > :06:59.them when you dignify this with an ideological basis, you have a

:07:00. > :07:04.violent person who has killed a policeman before and then kills

:07:05. > :07:09.another with theirs- leading language... In the heart of Paris at

:07:10. > :07:15.one of the most iconic points on the Champs-Elysees... And the idea that

:07:16. > :07:18.you could make foreign policy to counter Vale that psychopathic

:07:19. > :07:25.aggression is, I think meaningless. I don't think people buy it. Do you

:07:26. > :07:28.agree, Laura, because to some extent France has been under a state of

:07:29. > :07:32.emergency for some time and you may ask of the security services, what

:07:33. > :07:38.more can they do in terms of protecting citizens. That is what

:07:39. > :07:43.they will be promising today. These attacks are difficult because they

:07:44. > :07:49.aren't sophisticated attacks like you might have had in the 1980s, and

:07:50. > :07:54.arguably they are sort of Lone wolf attacks. The unusual thing about

:07:55. > :08:00.this killer, like the one in Westminster, was that he was much

:08:01. > :08:05.older than previous attackers. He was 39. I find it interesting that

:08:06. > :08:10.Zoe is, I assume, when you are calling somebody a fascist, that you

:08:11. > :08:15.are referring to Marine Le Pen. How would you refer to her? Marine Le

:08:16. > :08:21.Pen's economic policies are certainly on the left, which

:08:22. > :08:26.frequently fascists in the past have had left of centre economic policies

:08:27. > :08:31.so I'm glad that's clarified. In terms of what impact it will have,

:08:32. > :08:41.arguably it could be a game changer, arguably it will increase her vote

:08:42. > :08:46.but Fillon on the right has also been tough on Islamism. It could be

:08:47. > :08:52.that voters see him as a response. That are very few votes between

:08:53. > :08:58.Fillon and Jean-Luc Melenchon. It is true that Marine Le Pen does look

:08:59. > :09:03.left to workers. The same thing you could say about Donald Trump and his

:09:04. > :09:07.protectionism, you could hear this about Brexit, let's protect workers,

:09:08. > :09:12.let's protect employees in this protectionist way. I don't think

:09:13. > :09:16.that kind of authoritarian politics warrants a left- right binary

:09:17. > :09:24.analysis in that way. Hang on a second. The point is when you are an

:09:25. > :09:28.authoritarian, when you demonise the other, when you make all the nations

:09:29. > :09:33.problems the fault of foreigners, when you seek all the authority for

:09:34. > :09:37.your own office and deny prowlers and that makes you a fascist. If you

:09:38. > :09:43.are going to split hairs about whether you are more like Hitler or

:09:44. > :09:48.Lenin you are one. She's doing well in the polls. I can't respond for

:09:49. > :09:51.people responding to fascist language. You can't.

:09:52. > :09:53.Back home the general election campaign continues

:09:54. > :09:55.to crank into gear, with Labour seeking to keep up

:09:56. > :09:57.the pace with an attack on the Government's

:09:58. > :10:00.Let's take a look at Labour's campaign so far.

:10:01. > :10:04.Jeremy Corbyn kicked things off with a keynote speech yesterday.

:10:05. > :10:06.He said the election is not about Brexit, but about fixing

:10:07. > :10:09.the "rigged system" run by the City, tax-dodgers and the media.

:10:10. > :10:12.And this morning, the Labour leader turned his focus to education.

:10:13. > :10:17.He said that too many children are "crammed

:10:18. > :10:21.And we've been learning which Labour MPs will be standing -

:10:22. > :10:28.The party's former leader, Ed Miliband, has confirmed

:10:29. > :10:32.But the former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls has ruled out a return

:10:33. > :10:39.Some Labour MPs have fired parting shots at Jeremy Corbyn.

:10:40. > :10:41.The Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland MP Tom Blenkinsop

:10:42. > :10:46.said that he won't stand again because he's fed up with the party's

:10:47. > :10:50.The Labour MP Dawn Butler seemed to struggle in a BBC

:10:51. > :10:54.She said Theresa May calling the election

:10:55. > :10:57.was an attempt to "rig democracy", despite the fact that most

:10:58. > :11:04.And she later suggested that the party's policy prospectus

:11:05. > :11:10.could be subject to continual change throughout the election campaign,

:11:11. > :11:15.That will keep everyone on their toes! She said the manifesto may

:11:16. > :11:16.even be a rolling manifesto. Let's see what Jeremy Corbyn had

:11:17. > :11:19.to say about class sizes The news that's coming out today

:11:20. > :11:23.is that the class sizes are rising, 500,000 children in England -

:11:24. > :11:30.500,000 children - half a million children,

:11:31. > :11:36.are now being taught It's pretty obvious to me,

:11:37. > :11:45.that if you ere in a class of 36, you're not going to get a great deal

:11:46. > :11:48.of attention from the teacher, compared to if you're in a smaller

:11:49. > :11:51.class of 30 or under. Another 300,000 are in

:11:52. > :11:54.classes between 31 and 36. And it is geting worse

:11:55. > :11:56.and will continue to get worse. And Jeremy Corbyn on the campaign

:11:57. > :12:05.trail. Joining us now from the BBC's

:12:06. > :12:15.newsroom in Salford is the shadow Welcome to The Daily Politics. Thank

:12:16. > :12:19.you. Jeremy Corbyn clear that a future Labour government would keep

:12:20. > :12:25.class sizes down. How will you do that? The key thing is, as he says,

:12:26. > :12:31.we have half a million children currently in super-sized classes.

:12:32. > :12:38.40,000 children in classes over 36 and 15,000 children in classes over

:12:39. > :12:43.40. We can bring this down. How? We need to go back. We know that Key

:12:44. > :12:47.stage one currently in primary schools, we cannot have classes more

:12:48. > :12:53.than 31, it is in the Key stage two area, it will be a firm commitment

:12:54. > :12:56.from Labour... I am sure you will be making a commitment and you are very

:12:57. > :13:01.upset as Jeremy Corbyn was yesterday when he said class sizes were too

:13:02. > :13:05.big for many schoolchildren but how will you reduce class sizes. It's

:13:06. > :13:10.leading to a teacher morale crisis already. We are seeing teachers

:13:11. > :13:15.leaving the profession which is putting more pressure... You are not

:13:16. > :13:18.answering my question. People may say, yes, I like the idea of smaller

:13:19. > :13:24.class sizes but they will want to know how you are going to achieve

:13:25. > :13:28.it. We've seen a decline in investment in schools, failed Tory

:13:29. > :13:34.policies over the last seven years, we are going to see a cut of ?3

:13:35. > :13:38.billion between now and 2020 which the Institute of fiscal and the

:13:39. > :13:43.successful happen to our schools. That means most secondary schools

:13:44. > :13:54.will lose six teachers... Will you reverse those cuts which are real

:13:55. > :13:57.terms cuttings... Parents want their children taught in appropriate class

:13:58. > :14:02.sizes, we were reversed those cuts about will be an manifesto. So you

:14:03. > :14:07.will commit to giving the money to the schools budget which will mean

:14:08. > :14:10.they don't have to make those cuts by 2020. Labour has announced last

:14:11. > :14:17.week, as you know, Jo that we will extend free school meals to children

:14:18. > :14:20.in primary schools. Today Jeremy and the party are committing to

:14:21. > :14:25.hard-working families across this country that we will not allow this

:14:26. > :14:30.drift upwards of class sizes... Hang on, let me stop you. Let's go stage

:14:31. > :14:35.by stage. You have said clearly that you would allow those cuts to

:14:36. > :14:38.happen. Those cuts that the Institute for Fiscal Studies says

:14:39. > :14:43.will be about 8% in real terms. How would you pay for it? That VAT on

:14:44. > :14:49.Private schools to pave your free school meals policy? How will you

:14:50. > :14:53.pay for this? That was a fully costed commitment last week. And

:14:54. > :14:57.this is not? We have seen this government waste money hand over

:14:58. > :15:02.fist, Jo. Look at the free schools programme. Look at what happened at

:15:03. > :15:05.schools in Bermondsey when we were throwing ?30,000 per year per pupil

:15:06. > :15:11.at it and it still had to close because it failed... Another half ?1

:15:12. > :15:14.billion wasted through the lack of the Academy session programme

:15:15. > :15:21.because of regional schools commission is not making their

:15:22. > :15:25.quotas. We will pledge to do this today and next week when you see our

:15:26. > :15:29.manifesto it will be a fully costed proposal. Do you know how it will be

:15:30. > :15:34.paid for, you are the shadow schools minister, you say it will be fully

:15:35. > :15:40.costed, how would it be paid for? We've already made a commitment on

:15:41. > :15:46.VAT and independent schools. I've already said that the government has

:15:47. > :15:50.wasted over ?1 billion. We are talking about ?3 billion here. I've

:15:51. > :15:54.just identified over one and a half billion pounds worth of that

:15:55. > :15:58.investment. You will see next week we have a number of major

:15:59. > :16:04.institutions lined up to back us in how we can do this pledge. Labour

:16:05. > :16:10.has had to do this before, it was an our pledge card in 1997. It was very

:16:11. > :16:13.popular and we've seen after seven years of failure of the Tories to

:16:14. > :16:18.invest we've seen the problem comeback and it will grow and get

:16:19. > :16:23.worse. OK, so what would you like to see as the maximum limit on class

:16:24. > :16:29.sizes in Key stages two and three? Is a former primary school teacher

:16:30. > :16:34.myself, I know that when classes begin to rise past 3233 it was

:16:35. > :16:37.extraordinary extra pressure on teachers. And I'll see you can't

:16:38. > :16:42.drive up standards. We've seen the government of measure themselves

:16:43. > :16:48.against China and Finland yet we are declining...

:16:49. > :16:55.The limit has, the limit, we are committing next week, in our

:16:56. > :17:00.manifesto, that we will stop, we will slow the rise in class sizes.

:17:01. > :17:05.Are you going to stick to the status quo of 30? At the moment it is 31 in

:17:06. > :17:12.Key Stage 1. The problem is Key Stage 2, I think we will talk, but,

:17:13. > :17:16.to the professional bodies, to parents an teachers but we don't

:17:17. > :17:22.want to see the supersize classes. To be clear you want them to come

:17:23. > :17:28.down... 36 is too many. Accept that but you want to have a maximum

:17:29. > :17:33.limit. You won't to say we won't have class sizes bigger than 25? I

:17:34. > :17:40.want parentses to have a world class education system. To get that, what

:17:41. > :17:43.number should it be? A world class teaching profession, to raise our

:17:44. > :17:47.standards, which have been falling backwards in in country, over the

:17:48. > :17:53.last seven years under this failed Tory administration. I can't get out

:17:54. > :17:59.of of you what your limit would be, you think they are too big, rising

:18:00. > :18:04.above 31, 32, you can't say what the want the maximum limit to be? We are

:18:05. > :18:08.already saying at Key Stage 1 we know there is a limit of 31. Two I

:18:09. > :18:14.am saying that 36 is far too many and I would like to see that number

:18:15. > :18:21.reduced. All right. We have said and we will be saying, we have said how

:18:22. > :18:25.we will fund our policy, which is proving popular about free school

:18:26. > :18:32.meals for Key Stage 2 children and we will show how we will fully fund

:18:33. > :18:36.this next week. Your colleague Dawn Butler said this election is Theresa

:18:37. > :18:40.May's attempt to rig democracy. Despite the fact that the vast

:18:41. > :18:43.majority of Labour MPs voted for it. Is that the party's position that

:18:44. > :18:48.Theresa May is trying to rig democracy? She told us less than a

:18:49. > :18:53.week ago that there would be no snap general election, and then she is

:18:54. > :18:57.telling us we are somehow undermining her attempt in the

:18:58. > :19:02.Brexit negotiation. Why did you vote for it, why did you vote for the

:19:03. > :19:05.motion to call an early election. Three-quarters of MPs voted for the

:19:06. > :19:10.Article 50 to be triggered and two thirds of the Lords, so I think the,

:19:11. > :19:15.Dawn is right. The Prime Minister's making this up as she goes along.

:19:16. > :19:21.Rigging democracy by calling an election which is what she said

:19:22. > :19:24.yesterday. You are saying she is rigging democracy because she said

:19:25. > :19:27.she wouldn't call a snap general election, why did Labour vote for

:19:28. > :19:32.that motion, for an early general election, if you think it is rigging

:19:33. > :19:36.democracy? I think Theresa May has got her own agenda about why she

:19:37. > :19:41.called this... Why did you vote for it? We are ready for, we said we

:19:42. > :19:46.would be ready for any election when it come, that is why we are gearing

:19:47. > :19:51.up You can't rig a democracy by calling an election you support.

:19:52. > :19:55.That is why we will lower class sizes, introduce free school meals,

:19:56. > :19:59.we have shown in the first few days of this election we are up and

:20:00. > :20:02.running and we are delivering policies, you will have to ask the

:20:03. > :20:06.Conservatives about why they promised the British people last

:20:07. > :20:09.week. We have. But is it Labour's position that Theresa May and the

:20:10. > :20:13.Conservatives are trying to rig democracy by calling this snap

:20:14. > :20:19.election? They are trying to, they are trying to get a position where

:20:20. > :20:23.they want a hard Brexit. That would be bad for my constituent,

:20:24. > :20:27.Manchester Airport is in my constituency. Whatever side of the

:20:28. > :20:31.debate you are on in terms of Brexit, a hard Brexit will be bad

:20:32. > :20:35.for the British people, and we cannot give, allow Theresa May to

:20:36. > :20:40.give her that mandate. Right. So you are going to try and block the

:20:41. > :20:46.Brexit negotiations or at least try and... No, we are not, we do not

:20:47. > :20:50.want a hard Brexit, that has been Keir Starmer's position. What is a

:20:51. > :20:58.hard Brexit? A hard Brexit is one where we come out of the customs

:20:59. > :21:03.union, where we don't co-operate with European colleague, that would

:21:04. > :21:07.affect the north massively, and all of the other big projects that are

:21:08. > :21:12.carrying on, it would affect people across the country. We industrial to

:21:13. > :21:15.get to a position where we want to co-operate with our European

:21:16. > :21:21.neighbours and get away from the Tory position of almost outright

:21:22. > :21:28.xenophobia. Is that what the Tory position is? For some of them it is.

:21:29. > :21:32.Is Who? It is damaging the British economy, and it will be damaging for

:21:33. > :21:36.us going forward if we allow the Conservatives to have a hard Brexit.

:21:37. > :21:41.Do you think the Government is xenophobic? I think a hard Brexit

:21:42. > :21:48.would be very damaging, for our economy here in the UK. The rolling

:21:49. > :21:51.manifesto that Dawn Butler talked about, is 245 how you see it

:21:52. > :21:57.happening, there could be things put in as we go through the campaign and

:21:58. > :22:02.things taken out? We will see, we will make further announcement on on

:22:03. > :22:07.o manifesto next week. It's a snap election, the manifesto progress has

:22:08. > :22:10.to be speeded up for all parties across the political spectrum, so we

:22:11. > :22:14.will be see next week, but today, we are making a firm commitment about

:22:15. > :22:25.children in supersize classes about how we will reduce that. Thank you.

:22:26. > :22:28.Your response first o all it is is a good policy area, to start with in

:22:29. > :22:32.an election campaign, how much detail do you think they will have

:22:33. > :22:39.to give? I am astonished he wouldn't say the cap is 31, why not just say

:22:40. > :22:44.it, there seems to be a huge amount of course disand fear in this

:22:45. > :22:48.delivery, itself is not hard to say I want class sizes to be this big. I

:22:49. > :22:53.am surprised by this line of questions, they are pledging not to

:22:54. > :22:57.reduce the ?3 billion, it is for the Conservatives why they want to

:22:58. > :23:01.reduce it, an opposition party shouldn't have to justify keeping

:23:02. > :23:06.the budget as it is. Although it wasn't clear whether it would be the

:23:07. > :23:11.status quo or go beyond. I think they are clear, I think the school

:23:12. > :23:15.budget should be extended because teachers were under pressure before.

:23:16. > :23:21.On that do you agree, should the budget be at least kept at the same,

:23:22. > :23:25.the schools budget till 2020 or more money being put inside, otherwise

:23:26. > :23:30.class sizes will grow. We need to be careful not to go for the supersize

:23:31. > :23:35.magical money tree which is what Labour reach forts... On the class

:23:36. > :23:40.size would you be happy with class sizes of 36. I think educating

:23:41. > :23:46.children is a standard civilised business. I educate my own children,

:23:47. > :23:52.two are at primary school. Would you be happy... Will I answer? Would you

:23:53. > :23:56.be unhappy if they were in big classes? Yes because educating

:23:57. > :24:02.children in big classes is harder than in smaller classes, that is why

:24:03. > :24:07.so many senior Labour MPs send their children to private schools. I don't

:24:08. > :24:12.think that is true. You are talking about Diane Abbott. Keir Starmer and

:24:13. > :24:17.I believe Jeremy Corbyn's son went to a grammar school. So we know

:24:18. > :24:21.Labour hierarchy have a policy of do what I say, not as I do, so, but

:24:22. > :24:27.moving on in terms of the actual policy, if Labour are going to start

:24:28. > :24:30.proposing you know, budget busting policy, to buy votes from the

:24:31. > :24:36.electorate, then they must be costed. As you so fantastically

:24:37. > :24:41.showed he doesn't have a clue where that money is coming from. He says

:24:42. > :24:44.they will next week. Education spending has increased in the last

:24:45. > :24:50.ten years, the question is you using that wisely. In cash, in cash terms

:24:51. > :24:56.it may have increased. The point is there are a lot more pupils and in

:24:57. > :25:00.real terms the cut will be... When you look at this all the

:25:01. > :25:05.Conservative rhetoric and the Ukip rhetoric is look at this unbearable

:25:06. > :25:09.pressure on public services but when they want to talk about it, they are

:25:10. > :25:14.like you can't go to the magic money tree. You can go to the magic money

:25:15. > :25:19.tree if it is costed. He came on here to give a policy that is

:25:20. > :25:23.uncosted. He has been exposed for that. Let us leave it there.

:25:24. > :25:29.Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron is facing a rather unlikely

:25:30. > :25:31.challenger in his own constituency, so our question today is -

:25:32. > :25:45.At the end of the show, Laura and Zoe will give us

:25:46. > :25:52.There are those who'll tell you the vote in June is going to be

:25:53. > :25:55.all about one thing - the B word - Brexit.

:25:56. > :25:58.But as far as voters are concerned we're not so sure that rings true.

:25:59. > :26:00.Emma Vardy wheeled our mood box onto the streets

:26:01. > :26:07.Suddenly we are seven weeks out from the general election,

:26:08. > :26:10.that few people saw coming, and we want to find out

:26:11. > :26:19.through the medium of my golden balls, what will be the most

:26:20. > :26:21.important issue when you decide how to vote?

:26:22. > :26:31.My main concern is the economy, really, so Brexit for me is a sort

:26:32. > :26:33.of, not really linked to my every day life.

:26:34. > :26:37.When you come to vote what will be the most important issue

:26:38. > :26:41.when you decide how to vote, will it be Brexit or something else?

:26:42. > :26:43.Personally, I don't vote, because I believe that they are

:26:44. > :26:53.There's going to be a general election?

:26:54. > :27:03.I put it in something else because of the fact I'm a nurse

:27:04. > :27:05.and all the stuff that surrounding that issue.

:27:06. > :27:07.Looks like something else may be sneaking ahead.

:27:08. > :27:13.That is the most important issue that our country

:27:14. > :27:27.I've no idea, sorry I've just come out of work, I'm very tired.

:27:28. > :27:29.Sounds like you've had a hard day at work.

:27:30. > :27:33.It is the biggest thing that's going to happen to us,

:27:34. > :27:37.so we really need to focus on that, make sure we get it right,

:27:38. > :27:39.because for my children's sake we have to get it right.

:27:40. > :27:44.Because Brexit is just a single issue and there is more

:27:45. > :27:49.Have a ball, have a rummage, they're all the same colour.

:27:50. > :27:52.Brexit is important where we go from now on, we have to get it done,

:27:53. > :27:56.It is not about changing Brexit's mind and going back again,

:27:57. > :28:06.What is your something else? So things such as looking after the

:28:07. > :28:10.police, looking after public resources, but trying to make sure

:28:11. > :28:17.that Britain gets the best deal for Britain, rather than going along

:28:18. > :28:22.with what everyone thinks. No vote for Molly. No. Molly, Brexit or

:28:23. > :28:26.something else? I think it is probably going to be Brexit rather

:28:27. > :28:34.than something else, just because it, it is the major issue. Brexit or

:28:35. > :28:38.something else? Here we go. Is that the first ever face time vote for

:28:39. > :28:46.the mood box? Maybe. He said Brexit.

:28:47. > :28:51.I love your blue hair, anything political in that? No, I just like

:28:52. > :28:55.the colour blue. I work with a lot of homeless people, and a lot of

:28:56. > :29:01.community work so that is super, super important. You are agonising.

:29:02. > :29:06.I don't know what to choose. You have the golden ball, I can't take

:29:07. > :29:11.it back. I am anti-Brexit so I am going to go with something else. It

:29:12. > :29:14.is close but many people today told us when it comes to the general

:29:15. > :29:17.election there is more things important to them than Brexit, they

:29:18. > :29:19.will be making their mind up on something else.

:29:20. > :29:26.Emma Vardy with the Daily Politics moodbox.

:29:27. > :29:32.Laura, do you think it will be about Brexit this election or other

:29:33. > :29:37.issues. I think Brexit will definitely dominate the airwave,

:29:38. > :29:41.that is for sure, but on the ground, as they say, and particularly in

:29:42. > :29:47.northern England perhaps, you know, other issues will be important like

:29:48. > :29:51.education, health is always incredibly important, and the

:29:52. > :29:57.economy, perhaps, this is the first election in a while where it isn't

:29:58. > :30:01.number one but Brexit and the economy is interconnected, so it

:30:02. > :30:05.will dominate. It is a very important question, the other issues

:30:06. > :30:11.will be there also. Laura mentioned the economy not being the number

:30:12. > :30:13.one, what did you make of the tactic at Prime Minister's Questions, of

:30:14. > :30:17.Jeremy Corbyn to ask about the levels of debt and deficit, do you

:30:18. > :30:23.think that is is a strategy? They are going to go on the economy? I I

:30:24. > :30:28.mean the things the Brexit campaign wasn't fought on Brexit, the Brexit

:30:29. > :30:33.campaign was fought on the NHS, and immigration. So, the idea you can...

:30:34. > :30:40.The Remainors tried to make it on the economy. 1234 on 72 pence,

:30:41. > :30:44.beanses will be 72 pence more expensive, that didn't ignite. And

:30:45. > :30:49.there would be economic downturn after. It is either your beans will

:30:50. > :30:55.be more expensive or your job will go, or it was just your beans,

:30:56. > :30:59.neither played. The levers did sovereignty, nobody knew what it

:31:00. > :31:02.meant. They did more money for the NHS when they didn't mean and

:31:03. > :31:07.immigration which they weren't playing on. Now? I don't know what,

:31:08. > :31:12.I don't know what an election fought on Brexit would look like. Do you

:31:13. > :31:18.think, what do you think it would look like? It will be split between

:31:19. > :31:22.the emwills who will say we are borderline going to reverse Brexit

:31:23. > :31:26.but we are not leaving the single market.. And the Tory party who will

:31:27. > :31:30.say we are leaving and the Labour Party saying we haven't a clue what

:31:31. > :31:41.our position is on Brexit, can we talk something else. There was talk

:31:42. > :31:47.of fighting hard Brexit, the Lib Dem position is clear, but what is

:31:48. > :31:51.Labour going... It's an unsophisticated politics that can't

:31:52. > :31:55.accept complication. We can't just say we were reverse the referendum

:31:56. > :31:58.because we don't like it that the same time you can't say we must

:31:59. > :32:02.leave Europe without a deal. People have to be honest and say this is a

:32:03. > :32:07.very complex negotiation and we ought to be able to talk about it

:32:08. > :32:14.piece by piece. That is what an evolved democracy looks like. Is

:32:15. > :32:22.wrong with opposition, there was the line about saboteurs going after the

:32:23. > :32:27.election. How damaging will that be? That was from a paper, it is crucial

:32:28. > :32:31.to have a free press in a democracy. It would be entirely wrong for the

:32:32. > :32:36.Prime Minister to criticise a free press. I think it's right for her to

:32:37. > :32:42.give her view... Alaves look at what happened with Labour yesterday and

:32:43. > :32:45.today. Yesterday we fight democracy, calling an election is supposedly

:32:46. > :32:48.rigging the system and Chuka Umunna said Theresa May wanted a

:32:49. > :32:54.dictatorship. We've just had the Shadow Education Secretary calling

:32:55. > :32:58.the Tory party xenophobic. Clive Lewis today called people who voted

:32:59. > :33:08.Conservative and caring. And Dawn Butler libelled the corporation...

:33:09. > :33:14.She did apologise. Of goodness' sake. Normally you and the Zoe. I'm

:33:15. > :33:18.on the horse now. They like insulting people and bullying people

:33:19. > :33:24.and they like saying, if you don't vote for us you are and caring. What

:33:25. > :33:29.about Theresa May saying she had to call this election because she

:33:30. > :33:34.couldn't bear opposition and that hadn't been any problem getting of

:33:35. > :33:39.the legislation through an Brexit. She said she called the election to

:33:40. > :33:44.get the best deal for Britain and Brexit negotiations. And the

:33:45. > :33:48.opposition is doing its job by scrutinising her. Actually I think a

:33:49. > :33:53.language is dangerous because she said, the people are united it is

:33:54. > :33:58.Westminster that is not united. When she wants them to unite she wants

:33:59. > :34:02.them to unite behind her, she wants a politics of that opposition. Laura

:34:03. > :34:08.would argue that she doesn't have an opposition anyway so she should keep

:34:09. > :34:11.quiet about it. But it is disgusting as the leader of the civilised

:34:12. > :34:18.democracy to say that you don't want to be opposed. She never said that.

:34:19. > :34:22.She's called an election when she is already in power, she has conceded

:34:23. > :34:29.control to the electorate. That is the very blog of a democracy. And

:34:30. > :34:33.when she is 20 points ahead in the polls. You think that she's taking a

:34:34. > :34:41.risk by calling an election when she's 21 points ahead? What Labour

:34:42. > :34:44.are trying to do is terrify the electorate... Forget Labour, none of

:34:45. > :34:48.us are members of the Labour Party. The point is that she has done a

:34:49. > :34:55.zero risk option. I don't think she has raked democracy at all. It

:34:56. > :35:00.wasn't with the fixed term Parliament act and it has been. The

:35:01. > :35:01.point of that was that people could vote against it. Let's leave it

:35:02. > :35:02.there. One of the reasons it's thought

:35:03. > :35:05.the Prime Minister changed her mind about holding an election

:35:06. > :35:08.was the favourability of the polls - with the Conservatives further ahead

:35:09. > :35:10.of Labour than at any So as the parties get

:35:11. > :35:14.out on to the streets where will they be best off

:35:15. > :35:17.targeting their efforts, The average of polls in April show

:35:18. > :35:21.the Conservatives with around 44% of the share of the vote -

:35:22. > :35:26.19 points ahead of This would translate to a national

:35:27. > :35:31.swing to the Conservatives of around 6%, compared

:35:32. > :35:41.with the 2015 general election. Current analysis suggests that

:35:42. > :35:43.could see the Conservatives gain around 50 seats and Labour

:35:44. > :35:45.lose around 50. Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron

:35:46. > :35:49.said this was a "chance to change the direction of the country" -

:35:50. > :35:52.looking to appeal to areas that They will be keen to reclaim seats

:35:53. > :35:57.like Lewes Twickenham, which they lost to the Tories

:35:58. > :35:59.in 2015. And target very remain areas such

:36:00. > :36:01.as Bath and Kingston-upon-Thames. Ukip will be hoping to capture seats

:36:02. > :36:05.from Labour in the North - Hartlepool and Great Grimsby

:36:06. > :36:08.as well as their perennial Tory That was where Nigel Farage failed

:36:09. > :36:25.to win last time. With me is the man who called the

:36:26. > :36:28.2015 election correctly, Matt Singh from Number Cruncher Politics. Well

:36:29. > :36:33.done, although on the basis of polls over the last few years should we

:36:34. > :36:38.trust anything you say? I can understand people being sceptical,

:36:39. > :36:45.it's always been in my head, it is right that people are sceptical,

:36:46. > :36:48.before the 2015 election it was this blind trust, people looking at it to

:36:49. > :36:52.the last decimal place and saying that the Tory majority wouldn't

:36:53. > :36:56.happen, it's also wrong to go to the other extreme and say that we can't

:36:57. > :37:02.trust anything. They are imperfect but they are the best guide we have.

:37:03. > :37:09.Other commentators over-egging it, some of them when they talk about a

:37:10. > :37:14.potential Tory landslide? As we had on this show earlier this week it is

:37:15. > :37:17.quite hard for the party that wins to get big majorities these days for

:37:18. > :37:22.the simple reason that there are fewer marginal seats. Which may

:37:23. > :37:27.surprise people, fewer marginal seats and more safe seats than there

:37:28. > :37:33.were ten years ago. Yes. Part of what happened in the last election

:37:34. > :37:37.is that a lot of Labour seats in Avon and North East went Labour and

:37:38. > :37:41.Tory seats went more towards the Conservatives. In terms of if

:37:42. > :37:45.Theresa May is trying to get the sort of majority Mrs Thatcher had in

:37:46. > :37:49.the 1980s she would need a much bigger lead in the popular vote, it

:37:50. > :37:56.seems, to do that. At the moment the polls suggest she has but it's early

:37:57. > :38:00.days. What are the key targets for the Conservatives? They'll be

:38:01. > :38:03.looking at the conservative - Labour marginals battle ground, there are

:38:04. > :38:07.quite a few of those seats. The swing is less likely to be an even

:38:08. > :38:13.swing than usual. If you look at what is happening, and what is

:38:14. > :38:17.happening around the country, the Labour vote seems to be dropping

:38:18. > :38:23.everywhere but the Tory vote seems to be advancing more in areas that

:38:24. > :38:28.voted Leave. A few things behind that. The direct effect from Leave

:38:29. > :38:33.voters and also more Ukip voters in those places and the Tories seem to

:38:34. > :38:37.be doing well over them. Right. One thing that escaped the attention of

:38:38. > :38:42.many in 2015 was that below the radar the Tories were doing better

:38:43. > :38:46.in some of those conservative- Lib Dem marginals. Will they be able to

:38:47. > :38:49.hold onto those this time? There will be someone they find it

:38:50. > :39:00.difficult, you mentioned Twickenham where they have a small majority and

:39:01. > :39:02.Vince Cable coming back and standing again, in places where the Lib Dems

:39:03. > :39:05.have a former MP coming back, with name recognition they will do pretty

:39:06. > :39:11.well. And in those areas that are firmly Remain and the Lib Dems are

:39:12. > :39:14.clear on their policy. They will be looking at where they were strong in

:39:15. > :39:20.the past and have the structure with local government and so on, within

:39:21. > :39:24.that, the Remain position is likely to be more fruitful in those places.

:39:25. > :39:34.We've heard Ruth Davidson the Tory lead in Scotland saying that they

:39:35. > :39:40.reached peak Nat last time. Is the only way down for the SNP? And be

:39:41. > :39:49.hard for them to go up, they've got 56% of visits! There were literally

:39:50. > :39:53.three! One for each of the three UK wide parties. It is hard to see

:39:54. > :39:58.anything other than the SNP still being dominant. However there's been

:39:59. > :40:00.an interesting change in Scotland. Among people that oppose

:40:01. > :40:05.independence there's been a switch from Labour to the Conservatives.

:40:06. > :40:10.The Conservatives narrowly beat Labour into second place at the

:40:11. > :40:14.Holyrood election and they have consolidated that position. Let's

:40:15. > :40:18.talk about tactical voting. Caroline Lucas, one of the leaders of the

:40:19. > :40:22.Green party, called for more tactical voting yesterday on a

:40:23. > :40:25.Progressive Alliance ticket. How many seats could be won if that

:40:26. > :40:30.agreement, if there were an agreement, was taken through to a

:40:31. > :40:34.logical conclusion, how many seats could a Progressive Alliance win?

:40:35. > :40:39.Its defence that is a formal thing or an informal thing. I think that

:40:40. > :40:43.comment was more about a formal thing -- it depends if that is

:40:44. > :40:50.formal or informal. It's not just about adding votes, it is about how

:40:51. > :40:55.people would perceive that Alliance. Even potentially, hurray, you know

:40:56. > :41:02.the answer. With Compass we've done a lot about the data, there are 49

:41:03. > :41:04.seats where voters making smart choices to ally against the

:41:05. > :41:09.Conservatives could win it for either the Lib Dems or Labour. But

:41:10. > :41:12.they would have to trust either the Lib Dems or the Labour Party to

:41:13. > :41:16.cooperate afterwards and that is still up in the air, there are 40

:41:17. > :41:21.seats which would become impregnable if voters voted smartly. Caroline

:41:22. > :41:24.Lucas has always said, you can't have parties stitching up deals

:41:25. > :41:31.between themselves, you need voters to hold hustings and say, OK, we'll

:41:32. > :41:34.support you. You could do it at some sort of local level and have

:41:35. > :41:39.agreement. It is so we're right in the sense that they would be enough,

:41:40. > :41:44.there is enough potential for Progressive Alliance to vote or to

:41:45. > :41:47.keep out Tory candidate stash is so we write? It would depend on the

:41:48. > :41:51.nature of the Alliance. If you are talking about the Greens, Labour

:41:52. > :41:55.squeezed them hard in the marginal seats last time so there are not so

:41:56. > :42:01.many, if we're talking Lib Dems it's different. We are talking about

:42:02. > :42:07.everyone. In a certain light Ken Clarke would be welcome any

:42:08. > :42:11.Progressive Alliance. Not likely to happen! It won't happen from the top

:42:12. > :42:18.down because they couldn't agree and also because voters don't like it.

:42:19. > :42:22.Coalition of chaos was the phrase used by Theresa May yesterday or the

:42:23. > :42:25.day before, it didn't get much traction, is it because it is not

:42:26. > :42:31.true that there would be a coalition of chaos even if there was a linkup?

:42:32. > :42:34.I think it would be chaotic. It would be very difficult to see how

:42:35. > :42:39.it would work. Tactical voting on the ground is one thing but if you

:42:40. > :42:45.got extraordinary result, Howard coalition would agree is very

:42:46. > :42:50.difficult. -- how it would agree. If you voted to leave the EU and then

:42:51. > :42:54.Labour made a deal with the Lib Dems and went back on it, you'd feel

:42:55. > :42:58.you'd been stabbed in the back once more by your party. Which is why

:42:59. > :43:05.Labour reject any idea of an SNP coalition. Labour reject anything

:43:06. > :43:09.with the Lib Dems all with the SNP because they are tribal and it's

:43:10. > :43:12.staffed. Even if they were not in the situation they are in it is

:43:13. > :43:16.backwards looking to look at everything through wanting this mass

:43:17. > :43:22.party dominance of the early 19 hundredths. A lot of voters are

:43:23. > :43:27.daft, not as daft as Tory voters obviously! On the daftness

:43:28. > :43:30.barometer... You are mistaking me for a Labour MP, I'm not even a

:43:31. > :43:35.member of the Liberal party. Ladies, I am glad you have clarified that.

:43:36. > :43:37.Before we hear more about stuff voters, none of our voters are daft,

:43:38. > :43:40.thank you for coming in! There's an important

:43:41. > :43:41.election under way. One that could determine the future

:43:42. > :43:44.of both Jeremy Corbyn and his party. Not the general election,

:43:45. > :43:47.but a ballot among Unite the Union's one million members,

:43:48. > :43:49.for their General Secretary. They are counting the votes

:43:50. > :43:52.as we speak and the result is not But the battle between Len McCluskey

:43:53. > :43:56.and his challenger Gerard Coyne Ben Wright has been

:43:57. > :44:10.keeping his eye on it. Why should we care so much about

:44:11. > :44:15.this election in terms of Labour Party politics? Jo, this election

:44:16. > :44:18.has been going on for several weeks. It has been better and personnel

:44:19. > :44:22.because there's a huge amount at stake. The two main reasons, Unite

:44:23. > :44:28.is the biggest trade union in Britain with 1.4 million members

:44:29. > :44:32.working in sectors from the car industry through two airlines, so

:44:33. > :44:35.the general secretary of that union and the decisions and priorities

:44:36. > :44:42.they make as a big bearing on a large number of workers in the UK.

:44:43. > :44:46.The two pitches being made by Len McCluskey and Gerard Coyne are quite

:44:47. > :44:50.different about the future shape and priorities of trade unionism in the

:44:51. > :44:55.next couple of years. It clearly has a huge bearing on the feature of

:44:56. > :44:58.Labour. One of the main arguments made by Gerard Coyne against Len

:44:59. > :45:03.McCluskey is that at the moment, Unite is much too close to Jeremy

:45:04. > :45:08.Corbyn and the Labour Party. Gerard Coyne said Unite should no longer be

:45:09. > :45:12.the puppet master of Jeremy Corbyn 's Labour. And if Len McCaskill were

:45:13. > :45:17.to lose the contest it would be a massive blow to Jeremy Corbyn -- Len

:45:18. > :45:21.McCluskey because it would significantly change the shape and

:45:22. > :45:25.composition of the Labour Party ruling National executive and also

:45:26. > :45:29.the party conference. It would have a very big bearing and Unite is one

:45:30. > :45:34.of the biggest trade union donors to the Labour Party. So what has

:45:35. > :45:40.happened in terms of Gerard Coyne and his position as the Challenger

:45:41. > :45:43.two Len McCluskey? It's very murky. What happened yesterday is that

:45:44. > :45:48.Unite said that Gerard Coyne had been suspended from his job as the

:45:49. > :45:53.West Midlands regional organiser, a job he's had her 15 years, pending

:45:54. > :45:59.investigations into certain activities that had taken place.

:46:00. > :46:02.They said no more than that. Clearly the bosses of Unite have concerns

:46:03. > :46:09.over how he has been running his campaign. To be honest both Len

:46:10. > :46:12.McCluskey's campaign and Gerard Coyne's campaign have been unusually

:46:13. > :46:16.quiet in the last 24 hours and they don't want to talk about it. That

:46:17. > :46:21.happened yesterday just as voting was closing. And the votes are being

:46:22. > :46:25.counted today, as he said. It is all murky. Word Gerard Coyne to win the

:46:26. > :46:31.contest and it still feels that that's the least likely outcome, --

:46:32. > :46:37.if he were to win, we are also being told that it's ridiculous, what

:46:38. > :46:41.impact does his suspension from his job have if he were to win this.

:46:42. > :46:51.It's a very mysterious set of circumstances. If he were to win,

:46:52. > :46:56.Gerard Coyne, could he take up the position at the General Secretary of

:46:57. > :47:01.Unite? There could be legal challenges from the other size about

:47:02. > :47:10.whether that was a between tenable outcome. We would hear speculation

:47:11. > :47:15.that housing benefit kneecaped as it reaches its final stages, it is

:47:16. > :47:19.another twist in what has been a bruising campaign within Unite, but

:47:20. > :47:24.what would be key is how many people engage and turned out to vote. It

:47:25. > :47:28.seems Gerard Coyne's big hope is he could get turn out in this contest

:47:29. > :47:35.above about 15% which is the turn out... Pretty low. A tiny number of

:47:36. > :47:41.hard-core activist who tornado to take part in this. Gerard Coyne's

:47:42. > :47:45.big hope was extending that to the wider membership who haven't been

:47:46. > :47:52.engaged in this before. He wants to return Unite back to the interests

:47:53. > :47:57.of the membership and not just lining it -- aligning it with Jeremy

:47:58. > :48:02.Corbyn. When the result announced? It is officially announced on 28th,

:48:03. > :48:04.so a week's time. There are rumours it could be as early as this

:48:05. > :48:06.afternoon. Thank you very much. So where are the

:48:07. > :48:09.negotiations on Brexit? But in spite of the upcoming

:48:10. > :48:13.elections, Theresa May is busy Next week, the PM hosts

:48:14. > :48:17.the head of the Commission, And the European Council is due

:48:18. > :48:21.to convene next weekend to lay A draft however has already

:48:22. > :48:26.been leaked, suggesting that the European Court of Justice

:48:27. > :48:28.would continue to play role in the UK's relationship

:48:29. > :48:31.with the EU even when we leave. European Parliament President

:48:32. > :48:33.Antonio Tajani had a cordial And he had reassuring words

:48:34. > :48:37.for the Prime Minister on the issue The UK's departure affects

:48:38. > :48:45.millions of EU citizens, and the European Parliament message

:48:46. > :48:48.is clear, strongly defending their The students, workers and families

:48:49. > :48:51.are valuable members of society and deserve absolute certainty

:48:52. > :48:53.over their future. I underlined, during

:48:54. > :48:55.the meeting with Mrs May, for the European Parliament this

:48:56. > :49:25.is the most important point. We are joined now from Rome

:49:26. > :49:27.by Roberto Gualtieri, an Italian MEP who is part

:49:28. > :49:32.of the European Parliament's negotiating team, and from

:49:33. > :49:43.Birmingham by James Carver, Welcome to both of you. Do you

:49:44. > :49:56.welcome the general election that is under way in the UK? Of course I

:49:57. > :50:02.have my personal idea as a socialist member, but as part of a negotiating

:50:03. > :50:08.team we deal with the country and with this government. We understand

:50:09. > :50:13.where we will have a government elected in the election, that will

:50:14. > :50:18.be our part throughout. The President of the European Parliament

:50:19. > :50:20.has suggested after the general election, the UK could reverse the

:50:21. > :50:24.departure process and it wouldn't need to go through the courts, is

:50:25. > :50:31.there any chance of that in your mind? No, because of the mandate it

:50:32. > :50:37.was given in the referendum where the British people voted to take

:50:38. > :50:42.back control and make a decision. Decision. And Roberto, the European

:50:43. > :50:48.Parliament has threatened to veto any Brexit deal if the UK does not

:50:49. > :50:52.guarantee the rights under the European Court of Justice

:50:53. > :50:57.jurisdiction and they have to be guaranteed forever but we are

:50:58. > :51:04.leaving the EU, so why would you put that in your negotiating opening

:51:05. > :51:08.gambit? I think we should clarify between the withdrawal agreement,

:51:09. > :51:11.and possible transitional arrangementings and the future

:51:12. > :51:16.relationship between the UK and you. We now are talking about the

:51:17. > :51:20.withdrawal agreement which have to settle some element of the divorce

:51:21. > :51:27.and of course, for some of those elements it is obvious for us that

:51:28. > :51:32.the European Court of Justice should be in charge to monitor the

:51:33. > :51:38.implementation. It includes... In the leaked document I says that the

:51:39. > :51:45.rights of EU nationals in the UK, if there was a dispute in the feature

:51:46. > :51:57.under whatever deal is agreed, that dispute would be brokered by the

:51:58. > :52:03.European Court of Justice. The guidelines clarify than the European

:52:04. > :52:08.Court off justice should form a fundamental role we talk about

:52:09. > :52:12.Somersetments models, this is of course for the information, but one

:52:13. > :52:24.point has to be made clear, we want to guarantee all the rightings for

:52:25. > :52:28.the citizens. And this right should be fully enjoyable as they are now,

:52:29. > :52:36.so this is the most important element and of course, we have to

:52:37. > :52:41.guarantee that also the the implementation of the right will be

:52:42. > :52:45.according to rules, one thing having written them, the other is

:52:46. > :52:52.administration of the right, we heard about very long very forms to

:52:53. > :52:59.be filed for having the permanent... We see that the existing set of

:53:00. > :53:05.rights, both for UK national in it will UK and for new national the UK,

:53:06. > :53:13.they should be guaranteed, not just the, so it is very important Let

:53:14. > :53:22.me... It is concrete. Let me put that to James, do you have a

:53:23. > :53:28.problem? Yes. He fails to appreciate a premise of economy and a role for

:53:29. > :53:33.all. The supremacy of the European Court of Justice, outlining in the

:53:34. > :53:40.infamous fact following the... Hang on, can I pick you up on equality

:53:41. > :53:45.for all, it would be under the European Court of Justice, because

:53:46. > :53:49.there would be reciprocity, the UK citizens in other member states

:53:50. > :53:57.would be treated in the same way as EU members here. I don't accept

:53:58. > :54:02.that, sorry. It would be a disadvantaged to other British

:54:03. > :54:05.citizens. We voted to pull out of the European Court of Justice, it

:54:06. > :54:12.was a simple question, is it in or out and we voted to leave. So you

:54:13. > :54:18.don't want to ea the European Court off justice have any forge of...

:54:19. > :54:22.Citizens from inside and outside the European Union have lived in the

:54:23. > :54:26.United Kingdom for many, many years, even before the European Union and

:54:27. > :54:31.indeed European economic economyty came into being. That is a view from

:54:32. > :54:37.Ukip, do you think that Theresa May will agree to your demands as you

:54:38. > :54:43.have outlined, bear in mind where she has said about leaving the UK

:54:44. > :54:49.including leaving the European Court of Justice. It is very clear for the

:54:50. > :54:54.future relationship the decision of the Government of the European

:54:55. > :54:59.Government is of course to leave theure and... You think she will

:55:00. > :55:06.accept it. We are talking about something different. We call... The

:55:07. > :55:15.grandfathers aring of existing right. Do you think she will accept

:55:16. > :55:21.it. I am very happy for the UK, and for thesome citizen their right he

:55:22. > :55:27.defended by the Ukip rend Tim and the got that is... You are opt us

:55:28. > :55:31.the Mick -- optimistic she will accept that, Theresa May, let us say

:55:32. > :55:39.she wins would accept that agreement?

:55:40. > :55:44.Hope of course that the next Government, who will be

:55:45. > :55:48.democratically elected by the UK citizens will be reliable partner in

:55:49. > :55:54.the negotiation and will ensure a good result. First from the is it

:55:55. > :56:00.zins and we are talking about that and we have to protect the rights.

:56:01. > :56:04.All right. If the European Parliament veto the Brexit deal,

:56:05. > :56:09.what happens then? I am sure they will. You know. Speaking from my

:56:10. > :56:15.experience, what I am seeing the body language, we saw what happened

:56:16. > :56:20.to the vote in the last plenty session, I don't know what they are

:56:21. > :56:26.do. If they do a, if we want to walk away, we have to walk away and it

:56:27. > :56:35.underlines lines the validity of Ukip. We have to keep the pressure

:56:36. > :56:47.on the Conservative Party and speak up. Thank you both very much.

:56:48. > :56:56.Your thoughts on how it is going to go? Of course your initial

:56:57. > :57:01.negotiating position, you have as a tough position, You can work

:57:02. > :57:07.backwards, what he seems to be saying is that I mean, he seems to

:57:08. > :57:11.be accepting, that yes, Britain, the European Court of Justice will not

:57:12. > :57:17.have jurisdiction over Britain, that is what Brexit means. It is the

:57:18. > :57:22.case, that is what tray has said. The turning point seems to be what

:57:23. > :57:29.is there is a dispute over the eventual deal, but on basic

:57:30. > :57:35.principles, you can't go to the one of the parties court, you go to an

:57:36. > :57:41.impartial court to decide that. They are drawing that as a red line. You

:57:42. > :57:47.can't say my people get to depied the dispute. I am not sure there is

:57:48. > :57:54.a final arbitration question they are asking. There are areas of

:57:55. > :57:59.adjudication the Great Repeal Bill can't cope with, so things like two,

:58:00. > :58:08.a British parent and European parent and who has cost diof their

:58:09. > :58:13.children. Loads of airsias of law -- areas of law. We have almost run out

:58:14. > :58:17.of time. Fascinating though it will be at some stage we will have to

:58:18. > :58:21.leave it there. We have to go to our round up of the political week. Here

:58:22. > :58:25.is Jenny with a special edition of the week in 60 seconds.

:58:26. > :58:28.On Tuesday the Prime Minister had a surprise for us all.

:58:29. > :58:31.And it wasn't a chocolate, sorry, Easter egg.

:58:32. > :58:35.We agreed that the government should call a general election.

:58:36. > :58:37.Legally there shouldn't be a vote until 2020,

:58:38. > :58:42.but that proved no object as MPs voted overwhelmingly

:58:43. > :58:48.But not for George Osborne, who's gone into the

:58:49. > :58:52.Not the family wallpaper firm, mind you, he's off

:58:53. > :58:53.to edit the London Evening Standard full-time.

:58:54. > :59:01.Yesterday the president of the European Parliament

:59:02. > :59:03.turned up, but insisted that he wasn't here to interfere.

:59:04. > :59:05.Unlike the European Commissioner, who decided

:59:06. > :59:07.to ring him up in the middle office press conference.

:59:08. > :59:09.And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn took a populist tone,

:59:10. > :59:11.railing against the cosy club of the establishment,

:59:12. > :59:18.but he left the gags to his warm-up act.

:59:19. > :59:34.I think we have less than 60 seconds to the end.

:59:35. > :59:37.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.

:59:38. > :59:40.The question is, who is standing against LIb Dem leader Tim Farron

:59:41. > :59:49.At the end of the show, Laura and Zoe will give us

:59:50. > :59:53.Farron says he is "more of a chips and mushy peas man".

:59:54. > :59:56.Thanks to Zoe, Laura and all my guests.

:59:57. > :59:58.Andrew will be back on Sunday on BBC One at 11

:59:59. > :00:00.with the Sunday Politics, when his guests will include

:00:01. > :00:02.the Conservative Party chairman Patrick McLoughlin.