:00:37. > :00:40.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:41. > :00:43.Campaigning in the French presidential election is suspended
:00:44. > :00:45.after a gunman murdered a policeman in central Paris.
:00:46. > :00:48.The man is thought to be known to the authorities
:00:49. > :00:54.Jeremy Corbyn hits the road as he takes his election campaign
:00:55. > :00:56.on tour, with a warning that school children in England
:00:57. > :01:00.are being squeezed into classrooms 'like sardines'.
:01:01. > :01:05.The shadow schools minister joins me live.
:01:06. > :01:10.Ahead of Brexit talks between Theresa May
:01:11. > :01:12.and Jean Claude Juncker next week, more details of the EU's negotiation
:01:13. > :01:15.strategy come to light - including a demand for protection
:01:16. > :01:24.And at the end of a whirlwind week in politics we've
:01:25. > :01:30.got our bitesize round-up, in just sixty seconds.
:01:31. > :01:38.is the Guardian columnist Zoe Williams, and Laura Perrins, who
:01:39. > :01:48.Let's start with the terror attack in Paris last night and talk
:01:49. > :01:51.to our correspondent there Hugh Scholfield.
:01:52. > :01:57.Apart from the fact that it is dreadful that France and Paris has
:01:58. > :02:03.been hit again, give us the latest. The man has been named camellias
:02:04. > :02:06.called Karim Cheurfi, he's 39, he lived in the eastern Paris suburbs
:02:07. > :02:11.and things have come out this morning about his past. Not for the
:02:12. > :02:16.first time, we learn that this man has a criminal record, back in the
:02:17. > :02:19.early 2000s he was involved in a shooting of police officers for
:02:20. > :02:31.which he served a long time in prison, it was a criminal affair, he
:02:32. > :02:34.shot out some officers who chased him when he was in a stolen car, he
:02:35. > :02:37.was caught and served time in prison. More recently he had come
:02:38. > :02:39.out in 2015 and back in December he came once again upon the radar of
:02:40. > :02:42.the intelligence services this time because he was heard uttering
:02:43. > :02:45.threats about the police, saying he wanted to hit the police again and
:02:46. > :02:48.saying that he was going to get in touch with so-called Islamic State,
:02:49. > :02:51.get hold of weapons and attacked the police. This was reported to
:02:52. > :02:55.intelligence services, they questioned him, commonly denied
:02:56. > :03:00.everything and he was set free in February and now this has happened.
:03:01. > :03:05.Clearly that whole story is giving grist to the mill of people like
:03:06. > :03:08.Marine Le Pen who say that the security services have their hands
:03:09. > :03:13.tied and there's too much laxity in the system and so on. It all happens
:03:14. > :03:17.days before voters go to the polls in the first round of the French
:03:18. > :03:21.presidential election. What has been the impact on the election itself?
:03:22. > :03:26.Will have to wait until Sunday to see that. That's the question on
:03:27. > :03:31.everyone's mind of course, how this might play, the superficial reading
:03:32. > :03:37.I suppose we'll be that it will help Marine Le Pen, a quarter of the
:03:38. > :03:41.electorate is supposedly undecided and it's quite possible that some of
:03:42. > :03:46.those people might say, after what has happened I think Marine Le Pen
:03:47. > :03:49.is right, we need a tougher line. The other parties have been
:03:50. > :03:54.dilly-dallying, they might say, we need someone to get tough on
:03:55. > :03:58.terrorism. Possibly not. Ffos Las Lyon, the conservative right-wing
:03:59. > :04:12.candidate has also been tough on Islamist - slivers. That Francois.
:04:13. > :04:15.Perhaps he makes people feel that the simplistic notions of stopping
:04:16. > :04:19.terrorism in its tracks as Marine Le Pen puts it is simply stick. And
:04:20. > :04:24.Emmanuel Macron the centrist has also been pretty strong on
:04:25. > :04:28.terrorism, all three of those candidates in the last hour have
:04:29. > :04:32.been on TV, making statements because they know they must tailor
:04:33. > :04:37.their reaction very, very carefully today. And how they respond to this
:04:38. > :04:42.will be crucial when it comes to the vote on Sunday. And that vote on
:04:43. > :04:47.Sunday, the four front runners are very tightly drawn together,
:04:48. > :04:49.surprisingly, in what is being billed as the tightest French
:04:50. > :04:52.presidential election for very long time. The whole thing is most
:04:53. > :04:59.extraordinary completely unpredictable. The two front runners
:05:00. > :05:05.for so long were Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron, the centrist, who
:05:06. > :05:08.emerged from the current Socialist government but has distanced himself
:05:09. > :05:13.from it, the youngster of politics who wants to come reshape the look
:05:14. > :05:17.of the French political system. They were both well ahead but they've
:05:18. > :05:21.come down in the polls, they've suffered from being early leaders.
:05:22. > :05:28.Their lead has been frittered away. Francois Fillon has come up behind
:05:29. > :05:32.and so has Emmanuel Macron - Jean-Luc Melenchon who is picking up
:05:33. > :05:37.all the socialist votes, people who would have voted for Benoit Hamon is
:05:38. > :05:40.a bit of a dead duck so Jean-Luc Melenchon is picking up strongly.
:05:41. > :05:45.They are all converging around 20% and that is where it will all be
:05:46. > :05:52.decided, possibly by a small pocket of votes on Sunday. Hugh, thank you
:05:53. > :05:57.very much. Zoe Williams, of the four front runners who do you see in the
:05:58. > :06:02.final two, the run-off? My goodness. It is a living hell. We've been here
:06:03. > :06:08.so often and said Trump cannot possibly do this and this cannot
:06:09. > :06:10.possibly happen... I thought originally in November I thought the
:06:11. > :06:14.French were so counter suggestible that once everyone had a fascist
:06:15. > :06:19.they would not want one. That remained my view for some time.
:06:20. > :06:26.Right now, Jean-Luc Melenchon is a really surprising new entry. A kind
:06:27. > :06:31.of left-wing candidate. Freddie left-wing. It depends what you mean,
:06:32. > :06:37.he looks very left wing because you have a fascist in play. So almost
:06:38. > :06:43.everyone looks left-wing compared to her. How will this incident play?
:06:44. > :06:47.The cliche, everyone presupposes that anyone who is tough on
:06:48. > :06:51.terrorism will win then there is a terrorism incident. I think that
:06:52. > :06:57.like so many incidents of this sort if you are doing Isis's work for
:06:58. > :06:59.them when you dignify this with an ideological basis, you have a
:07:00. > :07:04.violent person who has killed a policeman before and then kills
:07:05. > :07:09.another with theirs- leading language... In the heart of Paris at
:07:10. > :07:15.one of the most iconic points on the Champs-Elysees... And the idea that
:07:16. > :07:18.you could make foreign policy to counter Vale that psychopathic
:07:19. > :07:25.aggression is, I think meaningless. I don't think people buy it. Do you
:07:26. > :07:28.agree, Laura, because to some extent France has been under a state of
:07:29. > :07:32.emergency for some time and you may ask of the security services, what
:07:33. > :07:38.more can they do in terms of protecting citizens. That is what
:07:39. > :07:43.they will be promising today. These attacks are difficult because they
:07:44. > :07:49.aren't sophisticated attacks like you might have had in the 1980s, and
:07:50. > :07:54.arguably they are sort of Lone wolf attacks. The unusual thing about
:07:55. > :08:00.this killer, like the one in Westminster, was that he was much
:08:01. > :08:05.older than previous attackers. He was 39. I find it interesting that
:08:06. > :08:10.Zoe is, I assume, when you are calling somebody a fascist, that you
:08:11. > :08:15.are referring to Marine Le Pen. How would you refer to her? Marine Le
:08:16. > :08:21.Pen's economic policies are certainly on the left, which
:08:22. > :08:26.frequently fascists in the past have had left of centre economic policies
:08:27. > :08:31.so I'm glad that's clarified. In terms of what impact it will have,
:08:32. > :08:41.arguably it could be a game changer, arguably it will increase her vote
:08:42. > :08:46.but Fillon on the right has also been tough on Islamism. It could be
:08:47. > :08:52.that voters see him as a response. That are very few votes between
:08:53. > :08:58.Fillon and Jean-Luc Melenchon. It is true that Marine Le Pen does look
:08:59. > :09:03.left to workers. The same thing you could say about Donald Trump and his
:09:04. > :09:07.protectionism, you could hear this about Brexit, let's protect workers,
:09:08. > :09:12.let's protect employees in this protectionist way. I don't think
:09:13. > :09:16.that kind of authoritarian politics warrants a left- right binary
:09:17. > :09:24.analysis in that way. Hang on a second. The point is when you are an
:09:25. > :09:28.authoritarian, when you demonise the other, when you make all the nations
:09:29. > :09:33.problems the fault of foreigners, when you seek all the authority for
:09:34. > :09:37.your own office and deny prowlers and that makes you a fascist. If you
:09:38. > :09:43.are going to split hairs about whether you are more like Hitler or
:09:44. > :09:48.Lenin you are one. She's doing well in the polls. I can't respond for
:09:49. > :09:51.people responding to fascist language. You can't.
:09:52. > :09:53.Back home the general election campaign continues
:09:54. > :09:55.to crank into gear, with Labour seeking to keep up
:09:56. > :09:57.the pace with an attack on the Government's
:09:58. > :10:00.Let's take a look at Labour's campaign so far.
:10:01. > :10:04.Jeremy Corbyn kicked things off with a keynote speech yesterday.
:10:05. > :10:06.He said the election is not about Brexit, but about fixing
:10:07. > :10:09.the "rigged system" run by the City, tax-dodgers and the media.
:10:10. > :10:12.And this morning, the Labour leader turned his focus to education.
:10:13. > :10:17.He said that too many children are "crammed
:10:18. > :10:21.And we've been learning which Labour MPs will be standing -
:10:22. > :10:28.The party's former leader, Ed Miliband, has confirmed
:10:29. > :10:32.But the former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls has ruled out a return
:10:33. > :10:39.Some Labour MPs have fired parting shots at Jeremy Corbyn.
:10:40. > :10:41.The Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland MP Tom Blenkinsop
:10:42. > :10:46.said that he won't stand again because he's fed up with the party's
:10:47. > :10:50.The Labour MP Dawn Butler seemed to struggle in a BBC
:10:51. > :10:54.She said Theresa May calling the election
:10:55. > :10:57.was an attempt to "rig democracy", despite the fact that most
:10:58. > :11:04.And she later suggested that the party's policy prospectus
:11:05. > :11:10.could be subject to continual change throughout the election campaign,
:11:11. > :11:15.That will keep everyone on their toes! She said the manifesto may
:11:16. > :11:16.even be a rolling manifesto. Let's see what Jeremy Corbyn had
:11:17. > :11:19.to say about class sizes The news that's coming out today
:11:20. > :11:23.is that the class sizes are rising, 500,000 children in England -
:11:24. > :11:30.500,000 children - half a million children,
:11:31. > :11:36.are now being taught It's pretty obvious to me,
:11:37. > :11:45.that if you ere in a class of 36, you're not going to get a great deal
:11:46. > :11:48.of attention from the teacher, compared to if you're in a smaller
:11:49. > :11:51.class of 30 or under. Another 300,000 are in
:11:52. > :11:54.classes between 31 and 36. And it is geting worse
:11:55. > :11:56.and will continue to get worse. And Jeremy Corbyn on the campaign
:11:57. > :12:05.trail. Joining us now from the BBC's
:12:06. > :12:15.newsroom in Salford is the shadow Welcome to The Daily Politics. Thank
:12:16. > :12:19.you. Jeremy Corbyn clear that a future Labour government would keep
:12:20. > :12:25.class sizes down. How will you do that? The key thing is, as he says,
:12:26. > :12:31.we have half a million children currently in super-sized classes.
:12:32. > :12:38.40,000 children in classes over 36 and 15,000 children in classes over
:12:39. > :12:43.40. We can bring this down. How? We need to go back. We know that Key
:12:44. > :12:47.stage one currently in primary schools, we cannot have classes more
:12:48. > :12:53.than 31, it is in the Key stage two area, it will be a firm commitment
:12:54. > :12:56.from Labour... I am sure you will be making a commitment and you are very
:12:57. > :13:01.upset as Jeremy Corbyn was yesterday when he said class sizes were too
:13:02. > :13:05.big for many schoolchildren but how will you reduce class sizes. It's
:13:06. > :13:10.leading to a teacher morale crisis already. We are seeing teachers
:13:11. > :13:15.leaving the profession which is putting more pressure... You are not
:13:16. > :13:18.answering my question. People may say, yes, I like the idea of smaller
:13:19. > :13:24.class sizes but they will want to know how you are going to achieve
:13:25. > :13:28.it. We've seen a decline in investment in schools, failed Tory
:13:29. > :13:34.policies over the last seven years, we are going to see a cut of ?3
:13:35. > :13:38.billion between now and 2020 which the Institute of fiscal and the
:13:39. > :13:43.successful happen to our schools. That means most secondary schools
:13:44. > :13:54.will lose six teachers... Will you reverse those cuts which are real
:13:55. > :13:57.terms cuttings... Parents want their children taught in appropriate class
:13:58. > :14:02.sizes, we were reversed those cuts about will be an manifesto. So you
:14:03. > :14:07.will commit to giving the money to the schools budget which will mean
:14:08. > :14:10.they don't have to make those cuts by 2020. Labour has announced last
:14:11. > :14:17.week, as you know, Jo that we will extend free school meals to children
:14:18. > :14:20.in primary schools. Today Jeremy and the party are committing to
:14:21. > :14:25.hard-working families across this country that we will not allow this
:14:26. > :14:30.drift upwards of class sizes... Hang on, let me stop you. Let's go stage
:14:31. > :14:35.by stage. You have said clearly that you would allow those cuts to
:14:36. > :14:38.happen. Those cuts that the Institute for Fiscal Studies says
:14:39. > :14:43.will be about 8% in real terms. How would you pay for it? That VAT on
:14:44. > :14:49.Private schools to pave your free school meals policy? How will you
:14:50. > :14:53.pay for this? That was a fully costed commitment last week. And
:14:54. > :14:57.this is not? We have seen this government waste money hand over
:14:58. > :15:02.fist, Jo. Look at the free schools programme. Look at what happened at
:15:03. > :15:05.schools in Bermondsey when we were throwing ?30,000 per year per pupil
:15:06. > :15:11.at it and it still had to close because it failed... Another half ?1
:15:12. > :15:14.billion wasted through the lack of the Academy session programme
:15:15. > :15:21.because of regional schools commission is not making their
:15:22. > :15:25.quotas. We will pledge to do this today and next week when you see our
:15:26. > :15:29.manifesto it will be a fully costed proposal. Do you know how it will be
:15:30. > :15:34.paid for, you are the shadow schools minister, you say it will be fully
:15:35. > :15:40.costed, how would it be paid for? We've already made a commitment on
:15:41. > :15:46.VAT and independent schools. I've already said that the government has
:15:47. > :15:50.wasted over ?1 billion. We are talking about ?3 billion here. I've
:15:51. > :15:54.just identified over one and a half billion pounds worth of that
:15:55. > :15:58.investment. You will see next week we have a number of major
:15:59. > :16:04.institutions lined up to back us in how we can do this pledge. Labour
:16:05. > :16:10.has had to do this before, it was an our pledge card in 1997. It was very
:16:11. > :16:13.popular and we've seen after seven years of failure of the Tories to
:16:14. > :16:18.invest we've seen the problem comeback and it will grow and get
:16:19. > :16:23.worse. OK, so what would you like to see as the maximum limit on class
:16:24. > :16:29.sizes in Key stages two and three? Is a former primary school teacher
:16:30. > :16:34.myself, I know that when classes begin to rise past 3233 it was
:16:35. > :16:37.extraordinary extra pressure on teachers. And I'll see you can't
:16:38. > :16:42.drive up standards. We've seen the government of measure themselves
:16:43. > :16:48.against China and Finland yet we are declining...
:16:49. > :16:55.The limit has, the limit, we are committing next week, in our
:16:56. > :17:00.manifesto, that we will stop, we will slow the rise in class sizes.
:17:01. > :17:05.Are you going to stick to the status quo of 30? At the moment it is 31 in
:17:06. > :17:12.Key Stage 1. The problem is Key Stage 2, I think we will talk, but,
:17:13. > :17:16.to the professional bodies, to parents an teachers but we don't
:17:17. > :17:22.want to see the supersize classes. To be clear you want them to come
:17:23. > :17:28.down... 36 is too many. Accept that but you want to have a maximum
:17:29. > :17:33.limit. You won't to say we won't have class sizes bigger than 25? I
:17:34. > :17:40.want parentses to have a world class education system. To get that, what
:17:41. > :17:43.number should it be? A world class teaching profession, to raise our
:17:44. > :17:47.standards, which have been falling backwards in in country, over the
:17:48. > :17:53.last seven years under this failed Tory administration. I can't get out
:17:54. > :17:59.of of you what your limit would be, you think they are too big, rising
:18:00. > :18:04.above 31, 32, you can't say what the want the maximum limit to be? We are
:18:05. > :18:08.already saying at Key Stage 1 we know there is a limit of 31. Two I
:18:09. > :18:14.am saying that 36 is far too many and I would like to see that number
:18:15. > :18:21.reduced. All right. We have said and we will be saying, we have said how
:18:22. > :18:25.we will fund our policy, which is proving popular about free school
:18:26. > :18:32.meals for Key Stage 2 children and we will show how we will fully fund
:18:33. > :18:36.this next week. Your colleague Dawn Butler said this election is Theresa
:18:37. > :18:40.May's attempt to rig democracy. Despite the fact that the vast
:18:41. > :18:43.majority of Labour MPs voted for it. Is that the party's position that
:18:44. > :18:48.Theresa May is trying to rig democracy? She told us less than a
:18:49. > :18:53.week ago that there would be no snap general election, and then she is
:18:54. > :18:57.telling us we are somehow undermining her attempt in the
:18:58. > :19:02.Brexit negotiation. Why did you vote for it, why did you vote for the
:19:03. > :19:05.motion to call an early election. Three-quarters of MPs voted for the
:19:06. > :19:10.Article 50 to be triggered and two thirds of the Lords, so I think the,
:19:11. > :19:15.Dawn is right. The Prime Minister's making this up as she goes along.
:19:16. > :19:21.Rigging democracy by calling an election which is what she said
:19:22. > :19:24.yesterday. You are saying she is rigging democracy because she said
:19:25. > :19:27.she wouldn't call a snap general election, why did Labour vote for
:19:28. > :19:32.that motion, for an early general election, if you think it is rigging
:19:33. > :19:36.democracy? I think Theresa May has got her own agenda about why she
:19:37. > :19:41.called this... Why did you vote for it? We are ready for, we said we
:19:42. > :19:46.would be ready for any election when it come, that is why we are gearing
:19:47. > :19:51.up You can't rig a democracy by calling an election you support.
:19:52. > :19:55.That is why we will lower class sizes, introduce free school meals,
:19:56. > :19:59.we have shown in the first few days of this election we are up and
:20:00. > :20:02.running and we are delivering policies, you will have to ask the
:20:03. > :20:06.Conservatives about why they promised the British people last
:20:07. > :20:09.week. We have. But is it Labour's position that Theresa May and the
:20:10. > :20:13.Conservatives are trying to rig democracy by calling this snap
:20:14. > :20:19.election? They are trying to, they are trying to get a position where
:20:20. > :20:23.they want a hard Brexit. That would be bad for my constituent,
:20:24. > :20:27.Manchester Airport is in my constituency. Whatever side of the
:20:28. > :20:31.debate you are on in terms of Brexit, a hard Brexit will be bad
:20:32. > :20:35.for the British people, and we cannot give, allow Theresa May to
:20:36. > :20:40.give her that mandate. Right. So you are going to try and block the
:20:41. > :20:46.Brexit negotiations or at least try and... No, we are not, we do not
:20:47. > :20:50.want a hard Brexit, that has been Keir Starmer's position. What is a
:20:51. > :20:58.hard Brexit? A hard Brexit is one where we come out of the customs
:20:59. > :21:03.union, where we don't co-operate with European colleague, that would
:21:04. > :21:07.affect the north massively, and all of the other big projects that are
:21:08. > :21:12.carrying on, it would affect people across the country. We industrial to
:21:13. > :21:15.get to a position where we want to co-operate with our European
:21:16. > :21:21.neighbours and get away from the Tory position of almost outright
:21:22. > :21:28.xenophobia. Is that what the Tory position is? For some of them it is.
:21:29. > :21:32.Is Who? It is damaging the British economy, and it will be damaging for
:21:33. > :21:36.us going forward if we allow the Conservatives to have a hard Brexit.
:21:37. > :21:41.Do you think the Government is xenophobic? I think a hard Brexit
:21:42. > :21:48.would be very damaging, for our economy here in the UK. The rolling
:21:49. > :21:51.manifesto that Dawn Butler talked about, is 245 how you see it
:21:52. > :21:57.happening, there could be things put in as we go through the campaign and
:21:58. > :22:02.things taken out? We will see, we will make further announcement on on
:22:03. > :22:07.o manifesto next week. It's a snap election, the manifesto progress has
:22:08. > :22:10.to be speeded up for all parties across the political spectrum, so we
:22:11. > :22:14.will be see next week, but today, we are making a firm commitment about
:22:15. > :22:25.children in supersize classes about how we will reduce that. Thank you.
:22:26. > :22:28.Your response first o all it is is a good policy area, to start with in
:22:29. > :22:32.an election campaign, how much detail do you think they will have
:22:33. > :22:39.to give? I am astonished he wouldn't say the cap is 31, why not just say
:22:40. > :22:44.it, there seems to be a huge amount of course disand fear in this
:22:45. > :22:48.delivery, itself is not hard to say I want class sizes to be this big. I
:22:49. > :22:53.am surprised by this line of questions, they are pledging not to
:22:54. > :22:57.reduce the ?3 billion, it is for the Conservatives why they want to
:22:58. > :23:01.reduce it, an opposition party shouldn't have to justify keeping
:23:02. > :23:06.the budget as it is. Although it wasn't clear whether it would be the
:23:07. > :23:11.status quo or go beyond. I think they are clear, I think the school
:23:12. > :23:15.budget should be extended because teachers were under pressure before.
:23:16. > :23:21.On that do you agree, should the budget be at least kept at the same,
:23:22. > :23:25.the schools budget till 2020 or more money being put inside, otherwise
:23:26. > :23:30.class sizes will grow. We need to be careful not to go for the supersize
:23:31. > :23:35.magical money tree which is what Labour reach forts... On the class
:23:36. > :23:40.size would you be happy with class sizes of 36. I think educating
:23:41. > :23:46.children is a standard civilised business. I educate my own children,
:23:47. > :23:52.two are at primary school. Would you be happy... Will I answer? Would you
:23:53. > :23:56.be unhappy if they were in big classes? Yes because educating
:23:57. > :24:02.children in big classes is harder than in smaller classes, that is why
:24:03. > :24:07.so many senior Labour MPs send their children to private schools. I don't
:24:08. > :24:12.think that is true. You are talking about Diane Abbott. Keir Starmer and
:24:13. > :24:17.I believe Jeremy Corbyn's son went to a grammar school. So we know
:24:18. > :24:21.Labour hierarchy have a policy of do what I say, not as I do, so, but
:24:22. > :24:27.moving on in terms of the actual policy, if Labour are going to start
:24:28. > :24:30.proposing you know, budget busting policy, to buy votes from the
:24:31. > :24:36.electorate, then they must be costed. As you so fantastically
:24:37. > :24:41.showed he doesn't have a clue where that money is coming from. He says
:24:42. > :24:44.they will next week. Education spending has increased in the last
:24:45. > :24:50.ten years, the question is you using that wisely. In cash, in cash terms
:24:51. > :24:56.it may have increased. The point is there are a lot more pupils and in
:24:57. > :25:00.real terms the cut will be... When you look at this all the
:25:01. > :25:05.Conservative rhetoric and the Ukip rhetoric is look at this unbearable
:25:06. > :25:09.pressure on public services but when they want to talk about it, they are
:25:10. > :25:14.like you can't go to the magic money tree. You can go to the magic money
:25:15. > :25:19.tree if it is costed. He came on here to give a policy that is
:25:20. > :25:23.uncosted. He has been exposed for that. Let us leave it there.
:25:24. > :25:29.Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron is facing a rather unlikely
:25:30. > :25:31.challenger in his own constituency, so our question today is -
:25:32. > :25:45.At the end of the show, Laura and Zoe will give us
:25:46. > :25:52.There are those who'll tell you the vote in June is going to be
:25:53. > :25:55.all about one thing - the B word - Brexit.
:25:56. > :25:58.But as far as voters are concerned we're not so sure that rings true.
:25:59. > :26:00.Emma Vardy wheeled our mood box onto the streets
:26:01. > :26:07.Suddenly we are seven weeks out from the general election,
:26:08. > :26:10.that few people saw coming, and we want to find out
:26:11. > :26:19.through the medium of my golden balls, what will be the most
:26:20. > :26:21.important issue when you decide how to vote?
:26:22. > :26:31.My main concern is the economy, really, so Brexit for me is a sort
:26:32. > :26:33.of, not really linked to my every day life.
:26:34. > :26:37.When you come to vote what will be the most important issue
:26:38. > :26:41.when you decide how to vote, will it be Brexit or something else?
:26:42. > :26:43.Personally, I don't vote, because I believe that they are
:26:44. > :26:53.There's going to be a general election?
:26:54. > :27:03.I put it in something else because of the fact I'm a nurse
:27:04. > :27:05.and all the stuff that surrounding that issue.
:27:06. > :27:07.Looks like something else may be sneaking ahead.
:27:08. > :27:13.That is the most important issue that our country
:27:14. > :27:27.I've no idea, sorry I've just come out of work, I'm very tired.
:27:28. > :27:29.Sounds like you've had a hard day at work.
:27:30. > :27:33.It is the biggest thing that's going to happen to us,
:27:34. > :27:37.so we really need to focus on that, make sure we get it right,
:27:38. > :27:39.because for my children's sake we have to get it right.
:27:40. > :27:44.Because Brexit is just a single issue and there is more
:27:45. > :27:49.Have a ball, have a rummage, they're all the same colour.
:27:50. > :27:52.Brexit is important where we go from now on, we have to get it done,
:27:53. > :27:56.It is not about changing Brexit's mind and going back again,
:27:57. > :28:06.What is your something else? So things such as looking after the
:28:07. > :28:10.police, looking after public resources, but trying to make sure
:28:11. > :28:17.that Britain gets the best deal for Britain, rather than going along
:28:18. > :28:22.with what everyone thinks. No vote for Molly. No. Molly, Brexit or
:28:23. > :28:26.something else? I think it is probably going to be Brexit rather
:28:27. > :28:34.than something else, just because it, it is the major issue. Brexit or
:28:35. > :28:38.something else? Here we go. Is that the first ever face time vote for
:28:39. > :28:46.the mood box? Maybe. He said Brexit.
:28:47. > :28:51.I love your blue hair, anything political in that? No, I just like
:28:52. > :28:55.the colour blue. I work with a lot of homeless people, and a lot of
:28:56. > :29:01.community work so that is super, super important. You are agonising.
:29:02. > :29:06.I don't know what to choose. You have the golden ball, I can't take
:29:07. > :29:11.it back. I am anti-Brexit so I am going to go with something else. It
:29:12. > :29:14.is close but many people today told us when it comes to the general
:29:15. > :29:17.election there is more things important to them than Brexit, they
:29:18. > :29:19.will be making their mind up on something else.
:29:20. > :29:26.Emma Vardy with the Daily Politics moodbox.
:29:27. > :29:32.Laura, do you think it will be about Brexit this election or other
:29:33. > :29:37.issues. I think Brexit will definitely dominate the airwave,
:29:38. > :29:41.that is for sure, but on the ground, as they say, and particularly in
:29:42. > :29:47.northern England perhaps, you know, other issues will be important like
:29:48. > :29:51.education, health is always incredibly important, and the
:29:52. > :29:57.economy, perhaps, this is the first election in a while where it isn't
:29:58. > :30:01.number one but Brexit and the economy is interconnected, so it
:30:02. > :30:05.will dominate. It is a very important question, the other issues
:30:06. > :30:11.will be there also. Laura mentioned the economy not being the number
:30:12. > :30:13.one, what did you make of the tactic at Prime Minister's Questions, of
:30:14. > :30:17.Jeremy Corbyn to ask about the levels of debt and deficit, do you
:30:18. > :30:23.think that is is a strategy? They are going to go on the economy? I I
:30:24. > :30:28.mean the things the Brexit campaign wasn't fought on Brexit, the Brexit
:30:29. > :30:33.campaign was fought on the NHS, and immigration. So, the idea you can...
:30:34. > :30:40.The Remainors tried to make it on the economy. 1234 on 72 pence,
:30:41. > :30:44.beanses will be 72 pence more expensive, that didn't ignite. And
:30:45. > :30:49.there would be economic downturn after. It is either your beans will
:30:50. > :30:55.be more expensive or your job will go, or it was just your beans,
:30:56. > :30:59.neither played. The levers did sovereignty, nobody knew what it
:31:00. > :31:02.meant. They did more money for the NHS when they didn't mean and
:31:03. > :31:07.immigration which they weren't playing on. Now? I don't know what,
:31:08. > :31:12.I don't know what an election fought on Brexit would look like. Do you
:31:13. > :31:18.think, what do you think it would look like? It will be split between
:31:19. > :31:22.the emwills who will say we are borderline going to reverse Brexit
:31:23. > :31:26.but we are not leaving the single market.. And the Tory party who will
:31:27. > :31:30.say we are leaving and the Labour Party saying we haven't a clue what
:31:31. > :31:41.our position is on Brexit, can we talk something else. There was talk
:31:42. > :31:47.of fighting hard Brexit, the Lib Dem position is clear, but what is
:31:48. > :31:51.Labour going... It's an unsophisticated politics that can't
:31:52. > :31:55.accept complication. We can't just say we were reverse the referendum
:31:56. > :31:58.because we don't like it that the same time you can't say we must
:31:59. > :32:02.leave Europe without a deal. People have to be honest and say this is a
:32:03. > :32:07.very complex negotiation and we ought to be able to talk about it
:32:08. > :32:14.piece by piece. That is what an evolved democracy looks like. Is
:32:15. > :32:22.wrong with opposition, there was the line about saboteurs going after the
:32:23. > :32:27.election. How damaging will that be? That was from a paper, it is crucial
:32:28. > :32:31.to have a free press in a democracy. It would be entirely wrong for the
:32:32. > :32:36.Prime Minister to criticise a free press. I think it's right for her to
:32:37. > :32:42.give her view... Alaves look at what happened with Labour yesterday and
:32:43. > :32:45.today. Yesterday we fight democracy, calling an election is supposedly
:32:46. > :32:48.rigging the system and Chuka Umunna said Theresa May wanted a
:32:49. > :32:54.dictatorship. We've just had the Shadow Education Secretary calling
:32:55. > :32:58.the Tory party xenophobic. Clive Lewis today called people who voted
:32:59. > :33:08.Conservative and caring. And Dawn Butler libelled the corporation...
:33:09. > :33:14.She did apologise. Of goodness' sake. Normally you and the Zoe. I'm
:33:15. > :33:18.on the horse now. They like insulting people and bullying people
:33:19. > :33:24.and they like saying, if you don't vote for us you are and caring. What
:33:25. > :33:29.about Theresa May saying she had to call this election because she
:33:30. > :33:34.couldn't bear opposition and that hadn't been any problem getting of
:33:35. > :33:39.the legislation through an Brexit. She said she called the election to
:33:40. > :33:44.get the best deal for Britain and Brexit negotiations. And the
:33:45. > :33:48.opposition is doing its job by scrutinising her. Actually I think a
:33:49. > :33:53.language is dangerous because she said, the people are united it is
:33:54. > :33:58.Westminster that is not united. When she wants them to unite she wants
:33:59. > :34:02.them to unite behind her, she wants a politics of that opposition. Laura
:34:03. > :34:08.would argue that she doesn't have an opposition anyway so she should keep
:34:09. > :34:11.quiet about it. But it is disgusting as the leader of the civilised
:34:12. > :34:18.democracy to say that you don't want to be opposed. She never said that.
:34:19. > :34:22.She's called an election when she is already in power, she has conceded
:34:23. > :34:29.control to the electorate. That is the very blog of a democracy. And
:34:30. > :34:33.when she is 20 points ahead in the polls. You think that she's taking a
:34:34. > :34:41.risk by calling an election when she's 21 points ahead? What Labour
:34:42. > :34:44.are trying to do is terrify the electorate... Forget Labour, none of
:34:45. > :34:48.us are members of the Labour Party. The point is that she has done a
:34:49. > :34:55.zero risk option. I don't think she has raked democracy at all. It
:34:56. > :35:00.wasn't with the fixed term Parliament act and it has been. The
:35:01. > :35:01.point of that was that people could vote against it. Let's leave it
:35:02. > :35:02.there. One of the reasons it's thought
:35:03. > :35:05.the Prime Minister changed her mind about holding an election
:35:06. > :35:08.was the favourability of the polls - with the Conservatives further ahead
:35:09. > :35:10.of Labour than at any So as the parties get
:35:11. > :35:14.out on to the streets where will they be best off
:35:15. > :35:17.targeting their efforts, The average of polls in April show
:35:18. > :35:21.the Conservatives with around 44% of the share of the vote -
:35:22. > :35:26.19 points ahead of This would translate to a national
:35:27. > :35:31.swing to the Conservatives of around 6%, compared
:35:32. > :35:41.with the 2015 general election. Current analysis suggests that
:35:42. > :35:43.could see the Conservatives gain around 50 seats and Labour
:35:44. > :35:45.lose around 50. Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron
:35:46. > :35:49.said this was a "chance to change the direction of the country" -
:35:50. > :35:52.looking to appeal to areas that They will be keen to reclaim seats
:35:53. > :35:57.like Lewes Twickenham, which they lost to the Tories
:35:58. > :35:59.in 2015. And target very remain areas such
:36:00. > :36:01.as Bath and Kingston-upon-Thames. Ukip will be hoping to capture seats
:36:02. > :36:05.from Labour in the North - Hartlepool and Great Grimsby
:36:06. > :36:08.as well as their perennial Tory That was where Nigel Farage failed
:36:09. > :36:25.to win last time. With me is the man who called the
:36:26. > :36:28.2015 election correctly, Matt Singh from Number Cruncher Politics. Well
:36:29. > :36:33.done, although on the basis of polls over the last few years should we
:36:34. > :36:38.trust anything you say? I can understand people being sceptical,
:36:39. > :36:45.it's always been in my head, it is right that people are sceptical,
:36:46. > :36:48.before the 2015 election it was this blind trust, people looking at it to
:36:49. > :36:52.the last decimal place and saying that the Tory majority wouldn't
:36:53. > :36:56.happen, it's also wrong to go to the other extreme and say that we can't
:36:57. > :37:02.trust anything. They are imperfect but they are the best guide we have.
:37:03. > :37:09.Other commentators over-egging it, some of them when they talk about a
:37:10. > :37:14.potential Tory landslide? As we had on this show earlier this week it is
:37:15. > :37:17.quite hard for the party that wins to get big majorities these days for
:37:18. > :37:22.the simple reason that there are fewer marginal seats. Which may
:37:23. > :37:27.surprise people, fewer marginal seats and more safe seats than there
:37:28. > :37:33.were ten years ago. Yes. Part of what happened in the last election
:37:34. > :37:37.is that a lot of Labour seats in Avon and North East went Labour and
:37:38. > :37:41.Tory seats went more towards the Conservatives. In terms of if
:37:42. > :37:45.Theresa May is trying to get the sort of majority Mrs Thatcher had in
:37:46. > :37:49.the 1980s she would need a much bigger lead in the popular vote, it
:37:50. > :37:56.seems, to do that. At the moment the polls suggest she has but it's early
:37:57. > :38:00.days. What are the key targets for the Conservatives? They'll be
:38:01. > :38:03.looking at the conservative - Labour marginals battle ground, there are
:38:04. > :38:07.quite a few of those seats. The swing is less likely to be an even
:38:08. > :38:13.swing than usual. If you look at what is happening, and what is
:38:14. > :38:17.happening around the country, the Labour vote seems to be dropping
:38:18. > :38:23.everywhere but the Tory vote seems to be advancing more in areas that
:38:24. > :38:28.voted Leave. A few things behind that. The direct effect from Leave
:38:29. > :38:33.voters and also more Ukip voters in those places and the Tories seem to
:38:34. > :38:37.be doing well over them. Right. One thing that escaped the attention of
:38:38. > :38:42.many in 2015 was that below the radar the Tories were doing better
:38:43. > :38:46.in some of those conservative- Lib Dem marginals. Will they be able to
:38:47. > :38:49.hold onto those this time? There will be someone they find it
:38:50. > :39:00.difficult, you mentioned Twickenham where they have a small majority and
:39:01. > :39:02.Vince Cable coming back and standing again, in places where the Lib Dems
:39:03. > :39:05.have a former MP coming back, with name recognition they will do pretty
:39:06. > :39:11.well. And in those areas that are firmly Remain and the Lib Dems are
:39:12. > :39:14.clear on their policy. They will be looking at where they were strong in
:39:15. > :39:20.the past and have the structure with local government and so on, within
:39:21. > :39:24.that, the Remain position is likely to be more fruitful in those places.
:39:25. > :39:34.We've heard Ruth Davidson the Tory lead in Scotland saying that they
:39:35. > :39:40.reached peak Nat last time. Is the only way down for the SNP? And be
:39:41. > :39:49.hard for them to go up, they've got 56% of visits! There were literally
:39:50. > :39:53.three! One for each of the three UK wide parties. It is hard to see
:39:54. > :39:58.anything other than the SNP still being dominant. However there's been
:39:59. > :40:00.an interesting change in Scotland. Among people that oppose
:40:01. > :40:05.independence there's been a switch from Labour to the Conservatives.
:40:06. > :40:10.The Conservatives narrowly beat Labour into second place at the
:40:11. > :40:14.Holyrood election and they have consolidated that position. Let's
:40:15. > :40:18.talk about tactical voting. Caroline Lucas, one of the leaders of the
:40:19. > :40:22.Green party, called for more tactical voting yesterday on a
:40:23. > :40:25.Progressive Alliance ticket. How many seats could be won if that
:40:26. > :40:30.agreement, if there were an agreement, was taken through to a
:40:31. > :40:34.logical conclusion, how many seats could a Progressive Alliance win?
:40:35. > :40:39.Its defence that is a formal thing or an informal thing. I think that
:40:40. > :40:43.comment was more about a formal thing -- it depends if that is
:40:44. > :40:50.formal or informal. It's not just about adding votes, it is about how
:40:51. > :40:55.people would perceive that Alliance. Even potentially, hurray, you know
:40:56. > :41:02.the answer. With Compass we've done a lot about the data, there are 49
:41:03. > :41:04.seats where voters making smart choices to ally against the
:41:05. > :41:09.Conservatives could win it for either the Lib Dems or Labour. But
:41:10. > :41:12.they would have to trust either the Lib Dems or the Labour Party to
:41:13. > :41:16.cooperate afterwards and that is still up in the air, there are 40
:41:17. > :41:21.seats which would become impregnable if voters voted smartly. Caroline
:41:22. > :41:24.Lucas has always said, you can't have parties stitching up deals
:41:25. > :41:31.between themselves, you need voters to hold hustings and say, OK, we'll
:41:32. > :41:34.support you. You could do it at some sort of local level and have
:41:35. > :41:39.agreement. It is so we're right in the sense that they would be enough,
:41:40. > :41:44.there is enough potential for Progressive Alliance to vote or to
:41:45. > :41:47.keep out Tory candidate stash is so we write? It would depend on the
:41:48. > :41:51.nature of the Alliance. If you are talking about the Greens, Labour
:41:52. > :41:55.squeezed them hard in the marginal seats last time so there are not so
:41:56. > :42:01.many, if we're talking Lib Dems it's different. We are talking about
:42:02. > :42:07.everyone. In a certain light Ken Clarke would be welcome any
:42:08. > :42:11.Progressive Alliance. Not likely to happen! It won't happen from the top
:42:12. > :42:18.down because they couldn't agree and also because voters don't like it.
:42:19. > :42:22.Coalition of chaos was the phrase used by Theresa May yesterday or the
:42:23. > :42:25.day before, it didn't get much traction, is it because it is not
:42:26. > :42:31.true that there would be a coalition of chaos even if there was a linkup?
:42:32. > :42:34.I think it would be chaotic. It would be very difficult to see how
:42:35. > :42:39.it would work. Tactical voting on the ground is one thing but if you
:42:40. > :42:45.got extraordinary result, Howard coalition would agree is very
:42:46. > :42:50.difficult. -- how it would agree. If you voted to leave the EU and then
:42:51. > :42:54.Labour made a deal with the Lib Dems and went back on it, you'd feel
:42:55. > :42:58.you'd been stabbed in the back once more by your party. Which is why
:42:59. > :43:05.Labour reject any idea of an SNP coalition. Labour reject anything
:43:06. > :43:09.with the Lib Dems all with the SNP because they are tribal and it's
:43:10. > :43:12.staffed. Even if they were not in the situation they are in it is
:43:13. > :43:16.backwards looking to look at everything through wanting this mass
:43:17. > :43:22.party dominance of the early 19 hundredths. A lot of voters are
:43:23. > :43:27.daft, not as daft as Tory voters obviously! On the daftness
:43:28. > :43:30.barometer... You are mistaking me for a Labour MP, I'm not even a
:43:31. > :43:35.member of the Liberal party. Ladies, I am glad you have clarified that.
:43:36. > :43:37.Before we hear more about stuff voters, none of our voters are daft,
:43:38. > :43:40.thank you for coming in! There's an important
:43:41. > :43:41.election under way. One that could determine the future
:43:42. > :43:44.of both Jeremy Corbyn and his party. Not the general election,
:43:45. > :43:47.but a ballot among Unite the Union's one million members,
:43:48. > :43:49.for their General Secretary. They are counting the votes
:43:50. > :43:52.as we speak and the result is not But the battle between Len McCluskey
:43:53. > :43:56.and his challenger Gerard Coyne Ben Wright has been
:43:57. > :44:10.keeping his eye on it. Why should we care so much about
:44:11. > :44:15.this election in terms of Labour Party politics? Jo, this election
:44:16. > :44:18.has been going on for several weeks. It has been better and personnel
:44:19. > :44:22.because there's a huge amount at stake. The two main reasons, Unite
:44:23. > :44:28.is the biggest trade union in Britain with 1.4 million members
:44:29. > :44:32.working in sectors from the car industry through two airlines, so
:44:33. > :44:35.the general secretary of that union and the decisions and priorities
:44:36. > :44:42.they make as a big bearing on a large number of workers in the UK.
:44:43. > :44:46.The two pitches being made by Len McCluskey and Gerard Coyne are quite
:44:47. > :44:50.different about the future shape and priorities of trade unionism in the
:44:51. > :44:55.next couple of years. It clearly has a huge bearing on the feature of
:44:56. > :44:58.Labour. One of the main arguments made by Gerard Coyne against Len
:44:59. > :45:03.McCluskey is that at the moment, Unite is much too close to Jeremy
:45:04. > :45:08.Corbyn and the Labour Party. Gerard Coyne said Unite should no longer be
:45:09. > :45:12.the puppet master of Jeremy Corbyn 's Labour. And if Len McCaskill were
:45:13. > :45:17.to lose the contest it would be a massive blow to Jeremy Corbyn -- Len
:45:18. > :45:21.McCluskey because it would significantly change the shape and
:45:22. > :45:25.composition of the Labour Party ruling National executive and also
:45:26. > :45:29.the party conference. It would have a very big bearing and Unite is one
:45:30. > :45:34.of the biggest trade union donors to the Labour Party. So what has
:45:35. > :45:40.happened in terms of Gerard Coyne and his position as the Challenger
:45:41. > :45:43.two Len McCluskey? It's very murky. What happened yesterday is that
:45:44. > :45:48.Unite said that Gerard Coyne had been suspended from his job as the
:45:49. > :45:53.West Midlands regional organiser, a job he's had her 15 years, pending
:45:54. > :45:59.investigations into certain activities that had taken place.
:46:00. > :46:02.They said no more than that. Clearly the bosses of Unite have concerns
:46:03. > :46:09.over how he has been running his campaign. To be honest both Len
:46:10. > :46:12.McCluskey's campaign and Gerard Coyne's campaign have been unusually
:46:13. > :46:16.quiet in the last 24 hours and they don't want to talk about it. That
:46:17. > :46:21.happened yesterday just as voting was closing. And the votes are being
:46:22. > :46:25.counted today, as he said. It is all murky. Word Gerard Coyne to win the
:46:26. > :46:31.contest and it still feels that that's the least likely outcome, --
:46:32. > :46:37.if he were to win, we are also being told that it's ridiculous, what
:46:38. > :46:41.impact does his suspension from his job have if he were to win this.
:46:42. > :46:51.It's a very mysterious set of circumstances. If he were to win,
:46:52. > :46:56.Gerard Coyne, could he take up the position at the General Secretary of
:46:57. > :47:01.Unite? There could be legal challenges from the other size about
:47:02. > :47:10.whether that was a between tenable outcome. We would hear speculation
:47:11. > :47:15.that housing benefit kneecaped as it reaches its final stages, it is
:47:16. > :47:19.another twist in what has been a bruising campaign within Unite, but
:47:20. > :47:24.what would be key is how many people engage and turned out to vote. It
:47:25. > :47:28.seems Gerard Coyne's big hope is he could get turn out in this contest
:47:29. > :47:35.above about 15% which is the turn out... Pretty low. A tiny number of
:47:36. > :47:41.hard-core activist who tornado to take part in this. Gerard Coyne's
:47:42. > :47:45.big hope was extending that to the wider membership who haven't been
:47:46. > :47:52.engaged in this before. He wants to return Unite back to the interests
:47:53. > :47:57.of the membership and not just lining it -- aligning it with Jeremy
:47:58. > :48:02.Corbyn. When the result announced? It is officially announced on 28th,
:48:03. > :48:04.so a week's time. There are rumours it could be as early as this
:48:05. > :48:06.afternoon. Thank you very much. So where are the
:48:07. > :48:09.negotiations on Brexit? But in spite of the upcoming
:48:10. > :48:13.elections, Theresa May is busy Next week, the PM hosts
:48:14. > :48:17.the head of the Commission, And the European Council is due
:48:18. > :48:21.to convene next weekend to lay A draft however has already
:48:22. > :48:26.been leaked, suggesting that the European Court of Justice
:48:27. > :48:28.would continue to play role in the UK's relationship
:48:29. > :48:31.with the EU even when we leave. European Parliament President
:48:32. > :48:33.Antonio Tajani had a cordial And he had reassuring words
:48:34. > :48:37.for the Prime Minister on the issue The UK's departure affects
:48:38. > :48:45.millions of EU citizens, and the European Parliament message
:48:46. > :48:48.is clear, strongly defending their The students, workers and families
:48:49. > :48:51.are valuable members of society and deserve absolute certainty
:48:52. > :48:53.over their future. I underlined, during
:48:54. > :48:55.the meeting with Mrs May, for the European Parliament this
:48:56. > :49:25.is the most important point. We are joined now from Rome
:49:26. > :49:27.by Roberto Gualtieri, an Italian MEP who is part
:49:28. > :49:32.of the European Parliament's negotiating team, and from
:49:33. > :49:43.Birmingham by James Carver, Welcome to both of you. Do you
:49:44. > :49:56.welcome the general election that is under way in the UK? Of course I
:49:57. > :50:02.have my personal idea as a socialist member, but as part of a negotiating
:50:03. > :50:08.team we deal with the country and with this government. We understand
:50:09. > :50:13.where we will have a government elected in the election, that will
:50:14. > :50:18.be our part throughout. The President of the European Parliament
:50:19. > :50:20.has suggested after the general election, the UK could reverse the
:50:21. > :50:24.departure process and it wouldn't need to go through the courts, is
:50:25. > :50:31.there any chance of that in your mind? No, because of the mandate it
:50:32. > :50:37.was given in the referendum where the British people voted to take
:50:38. > :50:42.back control and make a decision. Decision. And Roberto, the European
:50:43. > :50:48.Parliament has threatened to veto any Brexit deal if the UK does not
:50:49. > :50:52.guarantee the rights under the European Court of Justice
:50:53. > :50:57.jurisdiction and they have to be guaranteed forever but we are
:50:58. > :51:04.leaving the EU, so why would you put that in your negotiating opening
:51:05. > :51:08.gambit? I think we should clarify between the withdrawal agreement,
:51:09. > :51:11.and possible transitional arrangementings and the future
:51:12. > :51:16.relationship between the UK and you. We now are talking about the
:51:17. > :51:20.withdrawal agreement which have to settle some element of the divorce
:51:21. > :51:27.and of course, for some of those elements it is obvious for us that
:51:28. > :51:32.the European Court of Justice should be in charge to monitor the
:51:33. > :51:38.implementation. It includes... In the leaked document I says that the
:51:39. > :51:45.rights of EU nationals in the UK, if there was a dispute in the feature
:51:46. > :51:57.under whatever deal is agreed, that dispute would be brokered by the
:51:58. > :52:03.European Court of Justice. The guidelines clarify than the European
:52:04. > :52:08.Court off justice should form a fundamental role we talk about
:52:09. > :52:12.Somersetments models, this is of course for the information, but one
:52:13. > :52:24.point has to be made clear, we want to guarantee all the rightings for
:52:25. > :52:28.the citizens. And this right should be fully enjoyable as they are now,
:52:29. > :52:36.so this is the most important element and of course, we have to
:52:37. > :52:41.guarantee that also the the implementation of the right will be
:52:42. > :52:45.according to rules, one thing having written them, the other is
:52:46. > :52:52.administration of the right, we heard about very long very forms to
:52:53. > :52:59.be filed for having the permanent... We see that the existing set of
:53:00. > :53:05.rights, both for UK national in it will UK and for new national the UK,
:53:06. > :53:13.they should be guaranteed, not just the, so it is very important Let
:53:14. > :53:22.me... It is concrete. Let me put that to James, do you have a
:53:23. > :53:28.problem? Yes. He fails to appreciate a premise of economy and a role for
:53:29. > :53:33.all. The supremacy of the European Court of Justice, outlining in the
:53:34. > :53:40.infamous fact following the... Hang on, can I pick you up on equality
:53:41. > :53:45.for all, it would be under the European Court of Justice, because
:53:46. > :53:49.there would be reciprocity, the UK citizens in other member states
:53:50. > :53:57.would be treated in the same way as EU members here. I don't accept
:53:58. > :54:02.that, sorry. It would be a disadvantaged to other British
:54:03. > :54:05.citizens. We voted to pull out of the European Court of Justice, it
:54:06. > :54:12.was a simple question, is it in or out and we voted to leave. So you
:54:13. > :54:18.don't want to ea the European Court off justice have any forge of...
:54:19. > :54:22.Citizens from inside and outside the European Union have lived in the
:54:23. > :54:26.United Kingdom for many, many years, even before the European Union and
:54:27. > :54:31.indeed European economic economyty came into being. That is a view from
:54:32. > :54:37.Ukip, do you think that Theresa May will agree to your demands as you
:54:38. > :54:43.have outlined, bear in mind where she has said about leaving the UK
:54:44. > :54:49.including leaving the European Court of Justice. It is very clear for the
:54:50. > :54:54.future relationship the decision of the Government of the European
:54:55. > :54:59.Government is of course to leave theure and... You think she will
:55:00. > :55:06.accept it. We are talking about something different. We call... The
:55:07. > :55:15.grandfathers aring of existing right. Do you think she will accept
:55:16. > :55:21.it. I am very happy for the UK, and for thesome citizen their right he
:55:22. > :55:27.defended by the Ukip rend Tim and the got that is... You are opt us
:55:28. > :55:31.the Mick -- optimistic she will accept that, Theresa May, let us say
:55:32. > :55:39.she wins would accept that agreement?
:55:40. > :55:44.Hope of course that the next Government, who will be
:55:45. > :55:48.democratically elected by the UK citizens will be reliable partner in
:55:49. > :55:54.the negotiation and will ensure a good result. First from the is it
:55:55. > :56:00.zins and we are talking about that and we have to protect the rights.
:56:01. > :56:04.All right. If the European Parliament veto the Brexit deal,
:56:05. > :56:09.what happens then? I am sure they will. You know. Speaking from my
:56:10. > :56:15.experience, what I am seeing the body language, we saw what happened
:56:16. > :56:20.to the vote in the last plenty session, I don't know what they are
:56:21. > :56:26.do. If they do a, if we want to walk away, we have to walk away and it
:56:27. > :56:35.underlines lines the validity of Ukip. We have to keep the pressure
:56:36. > :56:47.on the Conservative Party and speak up. Thank you both very much.
:56:48. > :56:56.Your thoughts on how it is going to go? Of course your initial
:56:57. > :57:01.negotiating position, you have as a tough position, You can work
:57:02. > :57:07.backwards, what he seems to be saying is that I mean, he seems to
:57:08. > :57:11.be accepting, that yes, Britain, the European Court of Justice will not
:57:12. > :57:17.have jurisdiction over Britain, that is what Brexit means. It is the
:57:18. > :57:22.case, that is what tray has said. The turning point seems to be what
:57:23. > :57:29.is there is a dispute over the eventual deal, but on basic
:57:30. > :57:35.principles, you can't go to the one of the parties court, you go to an
:57:36. > :57:41.impartial court to decide that. They are drawing that as a red line. You
:57:42. > :57:47.can't say my people get to depied the dispute. I am not sure there is
:57:48. > :57:54.a final arbitration question they are asking. There are areas of
:57:55. > :57:59.adjudication the Great Repeal Bill can't cope with, so things like two,
:58:00. > :58:08.a British parent and European parent and who has cost diof their
:58:09. > :58:13.children. Loads of airsias of law -- areas of law. We have almost run out
:58:14. > :58:17.of time. Fascinating though it will be at some stage we will have to
:58:18. > :58:21.leave it there. We have to go to our round up of the political week. Here
:58:22. > :58:25.is Jenny with a special edition of the week in 60 seconds.
:58:26. > :58:28.On Tuesday the Prime Minister had a surprise for us all.
:58:29. > :58:31.And it wasn't a chocolate, sorry, Easter egg.
:58:32. > :58:35.We agreed that the government should call a general election.
:58:36. > :58:37.Legally there shouldn't be a vote until 2020,
:58:38. > :58:42.but that proved no object as MPs voted overwhelmingly
:58:43. > :58:48.But not for George Osborne, who's gone into the
:58:49. > :58:52.Not the family wallpaper firm, mind you, he's off
:58:53. > :58:53.to edit the London Evening Standard full-time.
:58:54. > :59:01.Yesterday the president of the European Parliament
:59:02. > :59:03.turned up, but insisted that he wasn't here to interfere.
:59:04. > :59:05.Unlike the European Commissioner, who decided
:59:06. > :59:07.to ring him up in the middle office press conference.
:59:08. > :59:09.And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn took a populist tone,
:59:10. > :59:11.railing against the cosy club of the establishment,
:59:12. > :59:18.but he left the gags to his warm-up act.
:59:19. > :59:34.I think we have less than 60 seconds to the end.
:59:35. > :59:37.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.
:59:38. > :59:40.The question is, who is standing against LIb Dem leader Tim Farron
:59:41. > :59:49.At the end of the show, Laura and Zoe will give us
:59:50. > :59:53.Farron says he is "more of a chips and mushy peas man".
:59:54. > :59:56.Thanks to Zoe, Laura and all my guests.
:59:57. > :59:58.Andrew will be back on Sunday on BBC One at 11
:59:59. > :00:00.with the Sunday Politics, when his guests will include
:00:01. > :00:02.the Conservative Party chairman Patrick McLoughlin.