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:00:38. > :00:41.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

:00:42. > :00:44.Ukip leader Paul Nuttall officially launches his party's election

:00:45. > :00:47.campaign as he says the Brexit battle is only half won.

:00:48. > :00:50.But he refuses to say where he will stand in the forthcoming election.

:00:51. > :00:56.A man carrying knives is arrested on terror charges

:00:57. > :01:01.In separate incidents, police arrest six people

:01:02. > :01:04.in anti-terror raids in London and Kent.

:01:05. > :01:10.The Prime Minister accuses the EU of "lining up" to oppose the UK

:01:11. > :01:14.in Brexit negotiations after German Chancellor Angela

:01:15. > :01:18.Merkel says the UK had "illusions" about how tough the talks will be.

:01:19. > :01:24.We assess the state of play ahead of a crucial EU summit this weekend.

:01:25. > :01:27.And it's been a while since we last had a "dressed down"

:01:28. > :01:41.So why will this year's Queen's Speech be a low key affair?

:01:42. > :01:44.All that in the next hour, and with us for the duration,

:01:45. > :01:47.columnist for The Times Jenni Russell, and the executive editor

:01:48. > :02:00.We are hoping to be joined by him shortly after he has been held up.

:02:01. > :02:02.Now, a man was arrested near the Houses of Parliament yesterday

:02:03. > :02:04.following an intelligence-led operation by the police.

:02:05. > :02:06.The Metropolitan Police said the 27-year-old man was detained

:02:07. > :02:10.Three knives that he was carrying in a rucksack

:02:11. > :02:16.The arrest was carried out just yards from last month's deadly

:02:17. > :02:18.terror attack in Westminster in which five people died,

:02:19. > :02:23.In a separate incident, police say they have foiled

:02:24. > :02:27.an active terror plot after a woman was shot during a raid on a house

:02:28. > :02:38.Let's talk now to our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw.

:02:39. > :02:48.Danny, take us through the operation last night. This operation that took

:02:49. > :02:51.place in Wilson last night involved armed police, and we are told by

:02:52. > :02:54.Scotland Yard armed police were involved because of the nature of

:02:55. > :02:58.the intelligence they were acting on. They used CS gas to enter a

:02:59. > :03:06.property believed to be a top floor flat in Willesden. During that raid,

:03:07. > :03:12.shots were fired and a woman was injured in the police shooting. She

:03:13. > :03:15.is in a serious but stable condition in hospital. Witnesses saying she

:03:16. > :03:20.was led out and treated on the pavement in front of the property.

:03:21. > :03:24.She appeared to have a bandage on her arm and also on her stomach,

:03:25. > :03:28.though the extent of the injuries hasn't been confirmed. She is not

:03:29. > :03:32.yet been arrested, she is under armed guard in hospital. Six other

:03:33. > :03:41.people have been arrested, however, and three of them are women, two men

:03:42. > :03:44.and a 16-year-old boy. One of the arrests took place in Kent. The

:03:45. > :03:48.others were all in or near the property. Police have confirmed that

:03:49. > :03:55.as a result of their actions, a plot believed to have been targeted at

:03:56. > :03:59.the UK has been foiled. A plot foiled as a result of police actions

:04:00. > :04:05.in Willesden last night. We were just showing footage taken by a

:04:06. > :04:10.witness to that police action on a mobile phone to just explain to

:04:11. > :04:14.viewers. Unrelated, there has been another arrest. A man who was armed

:04:15. > :04:20.with three nights in Westminster. Tell us a bit about that. This was a

:04:21. > :04:23.separate counterterrorism investigation. We understand this

:04:24. > :04:28.individual had been on the police security service radar for some time

:04:29. > :04:33.and then police received some information believed to be from

:04:34. > :04:38.among the community raising concerns about this particular individual,

:04:39. > :04:42.and as a result, he was stopped and searched in Westminster very near to

:04:43. > :04:47.Parliament Square yesterday. As a result of that he's been arrested

:04:48. > :04:53.under counterterrorism laws. At least three knives have been

:04:54. > :04:56.recovered. They were seen on the pavement being forensically examined

:04:57. > :05:02.yesterday. The incident has been under control. The 27-year-old man

:05:03. > :05:07.is still in custody being questioned by police. So two incidents

:05:08. > :05:13.unrelated, both intelligence-lead, and according to police, both have

:05:14. > :05:17.been successfully contained. It comes weeks after the attack at the

:05:18. > :05:22.Houses of Parliament in which several people, including PC Keith

:05:23. > :05:26.Palmer, lost their lives. People might be concerned and asking

:05:27. > :05:31.questions about an increase in what they see as terror-related incident

:05:32. > :05:34.-- incidents and crimes. I think some of these things we've been

:05:35. > :05:39.seeing have been going on every week for the past couple of years. Police

:05:40. > :05:44.have been making arrests, carrying out operations. Some get more

:05:45. > :05:48.publicity than others. The incident that took place at Westminster

:05:49. > :05:53.yesterday was obviously of huge concern because of the proximity to

:05:54. > :05:56.the Houses of Parliament, Downing Street, government officials,

:05:57. > :06:01.ministers and so on. And because of the fact that it had echoes of the

:06:02. > :06:06.tragic events of last month. But the fact is that the police have been

:06:07. > :06:10.working round-the-clock for a number of years on counterterrorism

:06:11. > :06:13.operations. Much of what they do, as the Prime Minister said yesterday,

:06:14. > :06:17.we don't hear about and don't see them do it, but they are working

:06:18. > :06:21.behind the scenes carrying out arrests. And it is possible that

:06:22. > :06:26.some of the activity we are seeing might be some kind of response to

:06:27. > :06:29.the events of last month. Perhaps the police are trying to nip things

:06:30. > :06:34.in the bud a bit earlier because they don't want operations to

:06:35. > :06:37.escalate. But it is clear that what police are doing is acting on

:06:38. > :06:42.intelligence rather than in response to a direct threat on a particular

:06:43. > :06:45.day. And in terms of that intelligence and responding to it,

:06:46. > :06:50.people will be relieved of course if the police have managed to foil, if

:06:51. > :06:55.that turns out to be the case, those plots you were talking about at the

:06:56. > :06:58.beginning. This does of course provide some reassurance to the

:06:59. > :07:01.public that the police are doing their work. The other thing that is

:07:02. > :07:06.striking is that they do rely on information from members of the

:07:07. > :07:09.community. It seems that that information was crucial in

:07:10. > :07:13.yesterday's arrest in Westminster, it's been crucial in other

:07:14. > :07:16.investigations as well. And police are urging anybody with suspicions

:07:17. > :07:20.to come forward. They are emphasising this is not something

:07:21. > :07:27.they can do by themselves. They are the ones who carry out the arrests

:07:28. > :07:29.and investigations but they rely on intelligence and information from

:07:30. > :07:32.members of the public, concerned family, friends, other members of

:07:33. > :07:38.the community, to call in or message them in some way. Thank you very

:07:39. > :07:44.much. Are you reassured rather than concerned, Jenni Russell? I don't

:07:45. > :07:48.know that I've ever reassured by the fact that you have meant walking

:07:49. > :07:53.around carrying three knives, let alone one! I am reassured, actually.

:07:54. > :07:57.I'm rather impressed that the police seem to have enough lines into

:07:58. > :08:01.communities and enough trust that people are letting them know ahead

:08:02. > :08:04.of time. There's so much police work we never know anything about but it

:08:05. > :08:07.seems impressive they could stop somebody walking down Whitehall and

:08:08. > :08:13.they had exactly the right person, and indeed he was carrying weapons

:08:14. > :08:16.he intended to use. Let's leave there.

:08:17. > :08:20.Yesterday we found out that the Queen will dress down

:08:21. > :08:23.for the State Opening of Parliament after the general election.

:08:24. > :08:26.So the question for today is when was the last time she did so?

:08:27. > :08:43.You can wait till the end of the show to give us the answer. What we

:08:44. > :08:48.really want to know is what dressed down means. Does it mean jeans and a

:08:49. > :08:53.T-shirt? We will see! All will be revealed!

:08:54. > :08:56.EU leaders are gathering in Brussels tomorrow for a summit to agree

:08:57. > :08:58.the EU's negotiating strategy for the forthcoming Brexit talks.

:08:59. > :09:01.Yesterday the Prime Minister accused the EU of "lining up" to oppose

:09:02. > :09:04.She was responding to comments by the German Chancellor,

:09:05. > :09:07.Angela Merkel, who said the UK had "illusions" about how

:09:08. > :09:11.Let's have a listen to what they had to say:

:09:12. > :09:14.TRANSLATION: To us, it may seem obvious the form

:09:15. > :09:16.negotiations will take, but there are some in Britain

:09:17. > :09:19.who still labour under quite some illusions.

:09:20. > :09:28.We have seen that actually, there will be times when these

:09:29. > :09:38.Yet our opponents are already trying to disrupt them,

:09:39. > :09:40.at the same time as 27 other European countries

:09:41. > :09:50.Let's talk now to our correspondent in Brussels.

:09:51. > :09:57.Let's pick-up festival on Angela Merkel's comments. Has there been a

:09:58. > :10:04.distinct shift by her or is it merely a change in tone? -- pick up

:10:05. > :10:09.first of all. I don't think there's been a shift in tone. There's been a

:10:10. > :10:16.very clear policy throughout. What they may have been is a shift to an

:10:17. > :10:23.indication of frustration, irritation on the German side. The

:10:24. > :10:28.messages they are hearing from the UK, for example. She talked about

:10:29. > :10:31.illusions in the UK and she would specifically talking about the

:10:32. > :10:36.statements by politicians in the UK that they could negotiate a deal

:10:37. > :10:40.with almost the exact same benefits as we currently enjoy. Her point to

:10:41. > :10:44.the German Parliament was that this simply won't be possible for a

:10:45. > :10:47.country that leaves the EU, leaves the single market, leaves the

:10:48. > :10:51.customs union. That leaves behind many of those benefits and would

:10:52. > :10:57.have a different type of deal. She described it as a waste of time even

:10:58. > :11:01.talking about that and I think the concern in the German side is that

:11:02. > :11:05.they feel this could make negotiations very difficult and

:11:06. > :11:10.start from a very difficult point when they really want to get down to

:11:11. > :11:15.business. Is their consensus, then? Would you say the 27 member states

:11:16. > :11:20.agree with both her sentiment and tone on that issue? Pretty much,

:11:21. > :11:24.yes. Interestingly, what you hear, and I've been hearing this morning

:11:25. > :11:28.in Brussels from EU sources, is that they say there was an astonishing

:11:29. > :11:32.amount of consensus. They never actually thought they would be so

:11:33. > :11:37.much consensus so quickly and so easily on the EU side. Now, they

:11:38. > :11:42.have prepared their negotiating position, their guidelines, and

:11:43. > :11:46.those will be agreed tomorrow by the 27 leaders who come here for a

:11:47. > :11:51.summit in Brussels. They feel, I think, that they have very quickly

:11:52. > :11:55.cohere around a united position and that there are very few if any

:11:56. > :12:00.cracks in that. But they are concerned about how the negotiations

:12:01. > :12:03.might go and aspects of that, particularly arguments over things

:12:04. > :12:07.like the financial side, the liabilities the UK has incurred. But

:12:08. > :12:11.they will stick to broadly the line that they want the divorce bill to

:12:12. > :12:16.come first in their mind and then the rest of the negotiations will

:12:17. > :12:24.follow through, even if there are broad outlines? I space people have

:12:25. > :12:27.to remember Angela Merkel has a national audience to appeal to. She

:12:28. > :12:30.has got to say it can't be attractive for a member state to

:12:31. > :12:36.leave the EU in order to deter others. -- I suppose people have to

:12:37. > :12:43.remember. I suppose that's true but I think it's far closer to the EU

:12:44. > :12:49.position as we understand it, that this is simply the basis of their

:12:50. > :12:53.position and that they will agree this and are very unlikely to shift

:12:54. > :12:59.from it, and on the subject about the sequence, that was going to be

:13:00. > :13:04.very clearly laid out as well. This is one of the very clear underlined

:13:05. > :13:08.principles that the EU 27 have agreed and will lay out very

:13:09. > :13:14.publicly tomorrow, which is that there must be an agreement on the

:13:15. > :13:20.withdrawal, that means the amount that the UK has to pay to meet its

:13:21. > :13:24.obligations already entered into in the EU, Citizens' writes, issues

:13:25. > :13:27.around the border with Northern Ireland - all of those things there

:13:28. > :13:31.must be progress on before any discussions about a future trade

:13:32. > :13:34.deal, and there won't even be a possibility to enter those future

:13:35. > :13:41.discussions till those first things are thank you.

:13:42. > :13:45.How did you respond when you heard Angela Merkel, Jenni? One might have

:13:46. > :13:50.said she was stating the obvious, or was this a warning shot to Britain

:13:51. > :13:54.in any serious sense in the negotiations? I think she was

:13:55. > :13:58.meaning what she has said and saying what she said. She has been utterly

:13:59. > :14:02.consistent from the beginning and Britain refuses to take what the EU

:14:03. > :14:06.says seriously. They have a fantasy that they will change their minds

:14:07. > :14:14.and say after all, you can have everything you wanted and we aren't

:14:15. > :14:16.serious about our position. But the EU has been consistent. You cannot

:14:17. > :14:20.have the benefits of membership if you don't want to be a member. You

:14:21. > :14:24.will have to renegotiate your relationship with us from outside

:14:25. > :14:29.the EU. And we keep talking about this in puzzlement, as if we expect

:14:30. > :14:32.these people whom we are defying to give us all the lollipops and

:14:33. > :14:38.sweeties we wanted as if we were children! But it does give Theresa

:14:39. > :14:42.May an opportunity to say, they are also lining up against me, that's

:14:43. > :14:46.why I have to strengthen my hand, even if you believe what she has to

:14:47. > :14:53.do is strengthen her hand against some of those in her own party who

:14:54. > :14:57.want a clean Brexit. I think her rhetoric is extremely damaging. At

:14:58. > :15:01.the moment she wants to say, look at me, standing alone against the

:15:02. > :15:06.world, it's us against the world. But the EU are looking at this in

:15:07. > :15:15.astonishment and saying, why are you making this so negative? And for

:15:16. > :15:17.Theresa May not to recognise that she has two seduce people and

:15:18. > :15:20.persuade people in the EU to give her as good a deal as possible,

:15:21. > :15:25.because we have a very weak and negotiated -- negotiating hand. --

:15:26. > :15:30.she has to seduce people. It matters much more to us that we can get

:15:31. > :15:34.these negotiations done as smoothly and as quickly and effectively as

:15:35. > :15:39.possible than it does to the rest of the EU. Except those very much in

:15:40. > :15:43.favour of Brexit and a swifter Brexit would say the opposite. They

:15:44. > :15:49.would say the EU needs us just as much in terms of future business, in

:15:50. > :15:53.terms of the sale and trade of cars and other manufacturing exports, but

:15:54. > :15:55.importantly, there will also be those who are in favour of a clean

:15:56. > :16:08.and hard Brexit, which ever would you

:16:09. > :16:11.want to use, who will agree with Angela Merkel, and that's why we

:16:12. > :16:13.should leave as soon as possible, and we can come out without a deal

:16:14. > :16:16.and go on to world organisation trade rules. But there will be 10%

:16:17. > :16:19.tariffs on everything coming into the country and we will be paying

:16:20. > :16:24.tariffs on anything we send to the EU. It will be immensely damaging

:16:25. > :16:30.for the EU economy and our trade is much more important to us than to

:16:31. > :16:33.the EU as a whole. Although it is a diminishing amount. But diminishing

:16:34. > :16:39.very little compare to everything else. We are foolish to see we are

:16:40. > :16:42.in a weak position and we need to be really -- realistic that the EU will

:16:43. > :16:57.do exactly what it said right at the beginning. Thank you.

:16:58. > :16:59.The SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon, says the election in Scotland

:17:00. > :17:01.is a straight fight between her party and the SNP.

:17:02. > :17:04.Ms Sturgeon has been campaigning near Glasgow this morning,

:17:05. > :17:05.prioritising public services and community investment.

:17:06. > :17:08.And she said that only her party "can stand up to the Tories".

:17:09. > :17:11.The Conservatives, for their part, are campaigning on a message

:17:12. > :17:12.of opposing the SNP's bid for a second

:17:13. > :17:16.Joining me now from Edinburgh is the SNP MP Tommy Sheppard.

:17:17. > :17:20.Welcome back to the Daily Politics. Are you concerned about the latest

:17:21. > :17:24.polls indicating you are on course to lose a number of seats to the

:17:25. > :17:28.Tories? We know throughout Scotland this will be a battle between the

:17:29. > :17:32.SNP and the Tories and we know in some seats it will be closer than

:17:33. > :17:36.others. But we relish the prospect of taking the battle to them and

:17:37. > :17:41.winning the general election in Scotland. How has this resurgence

:17:42. > :17:50.for the Conservatives happened, bearing in mind you always like to

:17:51. > :17:53.make the joke that there are more pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs,

:17:54. > :17:55.how has this happened when the SNP have been in government? The SNP

:17:56. > :17:59.have been in government for ten years in Scotland and we are more

:18:00. > :18:04.popular than ten years ago. So why are the Tories winning more seats?

:18:05. > :18:08.If they win more seats it will not be many. Tory support is back to the

:18:09. > :18:12.level it was when Margaret Thatcher was in office. There always have

:18:13. > :18:15.been Tories in Scotland, no one has said otherwise. What has changed is

:18:16. > :18:22.the collapse of the Labour Party say we have a too was race between the

:18:23. > :18:25.SNP standing up against a story to add to the rights of Scotland

:18:26. > :18:28.against a Tory government which is trying to do otherwise. Using those

:18:29. > :18:32.words which you have spoken there, what does it say if after the

:18:33. > :18:38.anti-Tory rhetoric, and you talked about austerity, that actually, the

:18:39. > :18:41.governing party, the Tories' presence in Scotland will grow. If

:18:42. > :18:46.it grows, and I don't think it will, it will not be by very much.

:18:47. > :18:50.Elections are won by the party who gets the most votes and the most

:18:51. > :18:52.seats and I do not think it will be the Conservative Party and they are

:18:53. > :18:56.very keen to try and talk up the narrative that by winning one or two

:18:57. > :19:01.seats somehow they have won the election and I do not think that is

:19:02. > :19:05.the case. People will want to judge the Tory rhetoric, they will want to

:19:06. > :19:12.judge the government making low-paid women fill out a form to prove they

:19:13. > :19:15.were raped, a party that is bringing in cuts to disabled people and is

:19:16. > :19:21.now threatening the basic pension. These are the issues we will be

:19:22. > :19:25.taken to the Tories. We will come back to that issue about what you

:19:26. > :19:30.call the rate clause later in the discussion. You say it may only be a

:19:31. > :19:35.few seats, predictions at the moment is that it is eight seats. You can

:19:36. > :19:42.see why the Tories will flag it up as a massive victory. Do you think

:19:43. > :19:45.the chickens are coming home to roost for the SNP after ten years in

:19:46. > :19:50.power in Scotland? You lost your majority and the only way is down?

:19:51. > :19:57.As dead think that is the case at all. I think the SNP is in a very

:19:58. > :19:59.strong position going into this election and actually, the Tories

:20:00. > :20:02.are in a week has issued which is masked by the fact the Labour Party

:20:03. > :20:05.has collapsed, and many people who used to vote Labour are now

:20:06. > :20:08.considering voting Conservative. I think when we expose the

:20:09. > :20:12.Conservatives' record on what their intentions are, people will not want

:20:13. > :20:15.to give this government any more of majority that they have already and

:20:16. > :20:19.I am confident we can win the battle against them. The SNP is in a good

:20:20. > :20:21.position going into this election. We have a proud record in Scotland

:20:22. > :20:39.and a proud record at Westminster of standing up we will be demanding

:20:40. > :20:41.that Theresa May does not stand in the way of the Scottish Parliament

:20:42. > :20:44.and that she will respect the wishes of the people who live in Scotland.

:20:45. > :20:47.That is what this election will be about. What level of result will it

:20:48. > :20:49.take for saying this is another level of endorsement for holding a

:20:50. > :20:52.second referendum? I am not going to speculate. There is only one vote

:20:53. > :20:56.which matters and that is an GDA. Any predictions... You just

:20:57. > :21:00.predicted the Tories will not get many seats! We will be fighting them

:21:01. > :21:04.in every single seat, including the last remaining one they held at the

:21:05. > :21:09.last election and we are confident we can beat the Tories throughout

:21:10. > :21:15.Scotland. If the Unionist parties had more votes, with that muddy the

:21:16. > :21:19.waters in calling for a second referendum? This is why the Tories

:21:20. > :21:24.are banging on about independence. This election is not about a for

:21:25. > :21:28.Scottish independence or even a mandate for a referendum on Scottish

:21:29. > :21:33.independence. That mandate already exists. Is that because you are

:21:34. > :21:42.worried about the result of this election? It is a matter of where

:21:43. > :21:44.the appropriate decision should be taken. This should be a matter for

:21:45. > :21:47.the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Parliament have voted that

:21:48. > :21:49.in a couple of years' time people in Scotland should be allowed a choice

:21:50. > :21:54.on that. The reason why they reached a decision was in large part because

:21:55. > :22:03.of Theresa May's refusal to consider any differential relationship post

:22:04. > :22:06.Brexit with Scotland and to respect Scottish opinion. Can I get you to

:22:07. > :22:09.ask the question -- can I get you to answer the question, you have made

:22:10. > :22:13.it clear you think you have a mandate and Nicola Sturgeon has said

:22:14. > :22:17.that, for a second independence referendum, but if in this election

:22:18. > :22:21.the Unionist parties together had more votes than the SNP, with that

:22:22. > :22:28.make it more difficult? No, I didn't think so. The mandate would have

:22:29. > :22:31.been daily did. The decision has been taken by the Scottish

:22:32. > :22:39.Parliament and what this election is about in part is a test and a

:22:40. > :22:46.judgment about whether Theresa May is right to -- to refuse to listen

:22:47. > :22:51.to the Scottish people. It is also about the rape clause. Let's talk

:22:52. > :22:55.about that. It was raised in the House of Commons at prime ministers

:22:56. > :22:58.questions. This is about the government's plan to introduce a tax

:22:59. > :23:03.cap on tax credits which would restrict benefits to the first two

:23:04. > :23:07.children in any family, but an exemption exists for children born

:23:08. > :23:12.as a result of rape, but women would have to provide evidence to the

:23:13. > :23:16.state to qualify. What do you want to see happen? I want scrapped, to

:23:17. > :23:23.be honest. This will slipped out last year by George Osborne in the

:23:24. > :23:26.small print of his 2016 budget. The government has faced universal

:23:27. > :23:30.opposition to this, including in the United Nations. It then had a

:23:31. > :23:34.consultation just before Christmas and slipped the results out on the

:23:35. > :23:38.day of Donald Trump is that in operation and has decided foolishly,

:23:39. > :23:42.I think, to go ahead with this quite apparent policy. The idea of making

:23:43. > :23:47.low-paid women prove that they were raped in order to get access to tax

:23:48. > :23:51.credits I think will offend most right minded people's sensitivities

:23:52. > :23:56.in a civilised society. I understand, but can I get your view

:23:57. > :24:01.on the policy more broadly. Are you against a policy which limits

:24:02. > :24:06.benefits, tax credits, to families of two children and not more? Yes, I

:24:07. > :24:10.am. I do not think it is for the government to decide on a two child

:24:11. > :24:13.policy for British families. I think tax credits should be done on the

:24:14. > :24:17.basis of people's need and therefore you should be able to apply on the

:24:18. > :24:20.size of your family. If somebody has three or four children they are

:24:21. > :24:24.trying to bring up I think they are deserving of a larger tax credit

:24:25. > :24:37.than somebody with one or two. That has

:24:38. > :24:41.always been the case up until about a week ago. Stay with us. I am just

:24:42. > :24:44.going to welcome James Delingpole from Breitbart. You have made it.

:24:45. > :24:46.Isn't this a problem with unforeseen or not thought through consequences

:24:47. > :24:52.of a benefit's policy? I think this is the kind of low politics that the

:24:53. > :24:54.SNP specialises. It is white moderate people find something

:24:55. > :24:58.slightly repellent about the SNP which is probably while we will be

:24:59. > :25:04.glad they will lose a few seats in the next election. This is the

:25:05. > :25:08.bedroom tax Redux, a perfectly sensible policy designed to reduce

:25:09. > :25:12.the amount of benefits for women who want to use child-bearing as a

:25:13. > :25:16.career option. That is sensible. What they have done is some

:25:17. > :25:21.foolishly introduce this clause where the third child, if you want

:25:22. > :25:28.claim benefits for a third child, if you have been raped. It has been

:25:29. > :25:34.twisted by the SNP as if it is a bad thing. They bandy about the phrase

:25:35. > :25:38.rape clause. Why is it being twisted? You say it is women who

:25:39. > :25:43.wanted their children as a living, why is it that the government did

:25:44. > :25:47.not think through properly, when they are trying to limit and reduce

:25:48. > :25:51.benefits, which people may arguably say is not going to stop that much

:25:52. > :25:54.more money being spent from the public purse, that they bring in

:25:55. > :25:59.something people would find humiliating and degrading which is

:26:00. > :26:04.to ask women to state in a paper how they have been raped? Because

:26:05. > :26:08.whoever introduced that clause reckoned without the malign cunning

:26:09. > :26:13.of the SNP. It was just designed to look after women who have been

:26:14. > :26:19.raped. It was meant to be kind and instead it turned out to be abused.

:26:20. > :26:23.Tommy Sheppard, malign cunning of the SNP, are you not just focusing

:26:24. > :26:28.on this because you know it is emotive, rather than the policy

:26:29. > :26:32.itself? No, and it is really quite shocking that they are defending

:26:33. > :26:37.this policy and attacking people who criticise it. I should say the

:26:38. > :26:41.criticism comes from right across the political spectrum, including

:26:42. > :26:45.many Conservative people who are rightly, this does offend the

:26:46. > :26:49.sensitivities. The idea of forcing low-paid hard-working women to fill

:26:50. > :26:54.in an eight page form to prove they were raped in order to get access to

:26:55. > :26:57.tax credits should have no place in a civilised society. If the

:26:58. > :27:00.government had any sense they should scrap it in the manifest and make a

:27:01. > :27:06.pledge to get rid of it and I think they would be applauded for that.

:27:07. > :27:12.Jenni Russell, what do you think? Should the government dropped the

:27:13. > :27:17.whole policy? I do not think there is an easy answer to this. It is a

:27:18. > :27:21.difficult situation. Generally the idea that most people should only be

:27:22. > :27:23.able to get tax credits the two children would probably be

:27:24. > :27:27.electorally popular, because there are a small number of people who

:27:28. > :27:30.have a large number of children. But it is wrong to say that these tax

:27:31. > :27:35.credits are applied to people who are staying at home. Tax credits

:27:36. > :27:39.under Universal Credit are there to support people in low-wage jobs, and

:27:40. > :27:42.often people will end up having third children, not necessarily

:27:43. > :27:46.intentionally, but by accident. The problem is, when you look at the

:27:47. > :27:54.form itself, it is absolutely bleak and horrifying to see in heavy type,

:27:55. > :27:59.if your child is born as a form of rape and coercive control. It also

:28:00. > :28:02.means what would the child themselves understand about their

:28:03. > :28:05.conception? Suppose you are a mother and you have three children and then

:28:06. > :28:10.your children realise you're getting money in a household the two

:28:11. > :28:16.children, you might not want any child to know they were born as a

:28:17. > :28:19.result of such incident. There are so many unpleasant and ramifications

:28:20. > :28:24.of this that I think the government may have to pull back because it is

:28:25. > :28:29.so nasty. It was very uncomfortable for Theresa May when she was asked

:28:30. > :28:39.about it at prime ministers and is? Yes. This is the kind of sensitive

:28:40. > :28:43.what about this particular case, what about that? The reason this

:28:44. > :28:48.clause was introduced was to protect women who have been raped, not to

:28:49. > :28:52.stigmatise all women. If we are not going to enforce these rules then,

:28:53. > :28:56.if the government doesn't have the courage to force them then maybe

:28:57. > :29:06.they should not bother. Tommy Sheppard, just before we finish, one

:29:07. > :29:11.of your MSPs said that victims had to describe their trauma to civil

:29:12. > :29:19.servants. That is not the case. They will actually be speaking to a

:29:20. > :29:23.health care professional if this policy is stuck to? Detailed form to

:29:24. > :29:26.fill in. But we come back to the point that this is a disgraceful

:29:27. > :29:31.policy the government should get rid of. Let's not pretend I am opposing

:29:32. > :29:35.this because I am some sort of bleeding heart liberal. This is a

:29:36. > :29:41.difference between people who believe indecency in our political

:29:42. > :29:47.system and people who do not. Sheppard, thank you.

:29:48. > :29:50.Now, one party which will be hoping to up its representation

:29:51. > :29:52.at the State Opening of Parliament is Ukip.

:29:53. > :29:54.Recently its one MP, Douglas Carswell, left the party

:29:55. > :29:56.to sit as an independent, meaning that once again Ukip

:29:57. > :29:58.has no representative in the House of Commons.

:29:59. > :30:00.And it heads into this election campaign after

:30:01. > :30:02.a turbulent few years - let's remind ourselves.

:30:03. > :30:05.In 2014, Ukip won the European elections, and their momentum

:30:06. > :30:07.continued during the last year of the coalition government,

:30:08. > :30:09.with Conservative MPs Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless

:30:10. > :30:16.But the 2015 election result was a mixed bag -

:30:17. > :30:18.despite winning almost four million votes, the party

:30:19. > :30:24.Nevertheless, the EU referendum was a high point for the party -

:30:25. > :30:29.the fulfilment of its ultimate goal in politics.

:30:30. > :30:32.Years of tension between senior figures at the top of the party,

:30:33. > :30:36.and several Nigel Farage resignations, culminated in the

:30:37. > :30:41.With a Conservative government committed to Brexit,

:30:42. > :30:44.Ukip have been trying to carve out a role for themselves

:30:45. > :30:49.Mr Nuttall has had a long-standing ambition to supplant

:30:50. > :30:55.And earlier this week the party outlined an "integration agenda",

:30:56. > :30:58.centred around a ban on full-face veils.

:30:59. > :31:02.The party says it will decide at local level whether to stand

:31:03. > :31:05.against long-standing Brexit backers like Kate Hoey.

:31:06. > :31:08.But the polls haven't been particularly inspiring

:31:09. > :31:12.for Mr Nuttall - this week the party has only breached 10%

:31:13. > :31:16.Well, earlier today Paul Nuttall launched his party's campaign

:31:17. > :31:24.Ukip goes into this snap election, determined to hold the Government's

:31:25. > :31:30.We will act as the Government's backbone in these negotiations.

:31:31. > :31:40.if voters elect a Ukip MP, they can be sure it will be a true Brexiteer,

:31:41. > :31:45.someone who has campaigned all their political lives

:31:46. > :31:51.for a free, democratic and independent Britain.

:31:52. > :31:57.And we're joined now by Ukip's Deputy Leader, Peter Whittle.

:31:58. > :32:09.Welcome back. Will you be standing in this election? I will. Where will

:32:10. > :32:14.you stand? I'm not sure yet. Why is there so much prevarication? You are

:32:15. > :32:18.not sure, the leader isn't sure... We have to think quite clearly about

:32:19. > :32:24.where we stand and what we are going to do. Where you might have a chance

:32:25. > :32:29.of actually winning. As you said, we got 4 million votes in the last

:32:30. > :32:34.election. And now you have none. And we were a bit scatter-gun in our

:32:35. > :32:38.approach. We have been organising on the ground much more in the past two

:32:39. > :32:43.years, we have a greater sense of where we are strong and where we are

:32:44. > :32:50.not. So we will be targeting much more in seats where we are strong.

:32:51. > :32:55.So will you be standing in London, do you think? Probably not. Possibly

:32:56. > :33:01.just outside. We are weighing things up and things will come clearer.

:33:02. > :33:08.What about South Thanet? Where Nigel Farage stood? No, I don't think so.

:33:09. > :33:14.We have to be absolutely right about where we are going to go. It seems a

:33:15. > :33:17.bit strange. Hang on. You are standing but you don't know where.

:33:18. > :33:24.Another senior figure isn't standing, Suzanne. Let me finish the

:33:25. > :33:27.question! Nigel Farage isn't standing and we still don't know

:33:28. > :33:31.from Paul Nuttall, who didn't seem to want to talk to journalists at

:33:32. > :33:34.all, it seems like you are scared of the electorate because you just

:33:35. > :33:39.don't have a chance of winning any seats. You are the last people we

:33:40. > :33:46.are scared of! Bless you in the media, you try to put the agenda all

:33:47. > :33:52.the time... That's our job. It will become quite clear. Paul is making

:33:53. > :33:57.an announcement this weekend. Ukip have been at pains to present

:33:58. > :34:01.themselves as more than a party of Brexit, that you have more to offer,

:34:02. > :34:06.and yet you have agreed to stand aside in particular areas as long as

:34:07. > :34:11.another party's candidate, possibly Tories, have a long-standing

:34:12. > :34:15.Brexiteer. Doesn't that show you aren't anything more than Brexit,

:34:16. > :34:19.really? Not at all. First of all, we're going to be standing all over

:34:20. > :34:23.the country. When you talk about seats we are going to be standing

:34:24. > :34:28.aside for, whether Tory or Labour, it comes down to a small amount, but

:34:29. > :34:34.people have maybe been spending their whole lives doing what we've

:34:35. > :34:37.been trying to do, in getting a strong, complete Brexit... But

:34:38. > :34:42.beyond that you don't have much to offer because otherwise you would

:34:43. > :34:50.stand on your own ticket? When we talked about immigration we were a

:34:51. > :34:54.one-issue party. Things kicked off in the media one we talked about the

:34:55. > :35:01.burqa and immigration. We are moving from a position of being purely

:35:02. > :35:07.about Brexit to being a party, so what we said on Monday and what you

:35:08. > :35:11.will see throughout the campaign is we are very strong on all aspects of

:35:12. > :35:16.policy in Britain and not just about the EU, but of course this is, to an

:35:17. > :35:19.extent, the Brexit election, so we have got -- we have to be absolutely

:35:20. > :35:26.certain people will get what they voted for last year. Paul Nuttall

:35:27. > :35:31.said 350 candidates have been elected and the total would be

:35:32. > :35:38.dissimilar from the 620 15. Will it be closer to 350 or 600? Somewhere

:35:39. > :35:44.in the middle. I'd say nearer to the 600 mark. Is that because you don't

:35:45. > :35:49.have the resources or the money? Where will it come from? In terms of

:35:50. > :35:57.our candidates, a lot of this is about the fact that Theresa May

:35:58. > :36:00.cynically announced an election in six or seven weeks, or whatever,

:36:01. > :36:04.quite cynically putting the fortunes of the Tory Party above anything

:36:05. > :36:09.else, which is something we never do, by the way, in Ukip, so we've

:36:10. > :36:14.had to do this quite quickly. But we're fine, we are secure

:36:15. > :36:19.financially, and so we are going to go forward, and I think it will be

:36:20. > :36:23.an exciting campaign. You talked about the domestic policies. Let's

:36:24. > :36:29.talk about one of them, which is the ban on the burqa. Aaron Banks, who

:36:30. > :36:34.was your main donor, said it was like going to war on the Muslim

:36:35. > :36:38.religion. He's wrong. He was also wrong saying this is going to war...

:36:39. > :36:45.This is an integration agenda, first of all. How is it about integration

:36:46. > :36:54.if you are telling women what to wear? The fact is that the full face

:36:55. > :36:57.covering, not the headscarf, is a barrier to integration, it's

:36:58. > :37:03.something that has been banned in France, Belgium, and indeed the

:37:04. > :37:06.biggest party in the European Parliament has just recommended

:37:07. > :37:11.there should be an EU wide ban on it. There is a growing public unease

:37:12. > :37:15.about this and the fact is that also it's a real living symbol of female

:37:16. > :37:20.subjugation, and it's amazing that when it's put forward that this is

:37:21. > :37:24.something which we are telling women what to wear, in many Middle Eastern

:37:25. > :37:29.countries, there have been long-standing campaigns so women are

:37:30. > :37:35.freed from this kind of restriction. In liberal democracies, is it put

:37:36. > :37:38.forward in this way? It wasn't just errant banks. James Carver said he

:37:39. > :37:43.strongly disagreed and said it was misguided. That nobody has the right

:37:44. > :37:48.to dictate what people should wear, and I feel this policy undermines my

:37:49. > :37:53.desire to represent all communities in the West Midlands, the area he

:37:54. > :37:58.has represented. I don't agree with Jim overlap, and the fact is we are

:37:59. > :38:06.not a whipped party. -- with Jim over that. The point is, the full

:38:07. > :38:11.face burqa, and FGM, for that matter, they are not religious

:38:12. > :38:19.practices, they are cultural ones. You say they are not about Muslims

:38:20. > :38:25.but it is all about Muslims. No, FGM is not solely about... But the burqa

:38:26. > :38:31.is? We are actually behind the curve compared to many countries on this.

:38:32. > :38:35.Despite there has been internal opposition to this, Paul Nuttall

:38:36. > :38:39.restated the commitment to the policy of the burqa ban, saying it

:38:40. > :38:47.came from the grassroots. Do you think it is a popular policy among

:38:48. > :38:52.Ukip supporters? Among those supporters or those they want to

:38:53. > :38:57.attract? Both. The major problem is that it was about a cause and a

:38:58. > :39:01.charismatic leader for Ukip previously, and they've lost the

:39:02. > :39:08.cause and a charismatic leader. I don't agree with either of those

:39:09. > :39:12.points. You've lost your charismatic leader, I'm afraid. If you're trying

:39:13. > :39:15.to say Paul Nuttall is the same thing as Nigel Farage. They are

:39:16. > :39:20.sunken in the polls and that's why they are desperately trying to

:39:21. > :39:25.attract attention now. When you say the type of people we are going to

:39:26. > :39:31.attract... They would be interested in voting for you. The ban on the

:39:32. > :39:35.burqa is supported by voters of every single political party,

:39:36. > :39:41.including the Lib Dems, by this country. That's how far this public

:39:42. > :39:46.opinion has moved. What is the support for that? In Ukip it's huge.

:39:47. > :39:49.In the Tory Party it's about 60 something, and then you come down in

:39:50. > :39:55.the 40s to labour, and then much less in the Lib Dems. But the point

:39:56. > :40:00.is it is majorities. Even the Lib Dems are now ahead of you, though.

:40:01. > :40:06.It does look at -- look as though this is the election where Ukip

:40:07. > :40:15.crashes and burns. The Lib Dems are on 10%! We've got six weeks to go.

:40:16. > :40:20.I'm very touched by your face and list of all the things that happened

:40:21. > :40:25.in the last year. What do you think the chances of success for Ukip,

:40:26. > :40:29.though? Put the polls aside for once, but looking realistically,

:40:30. > :40:33.Nigel Farage has gone, as we know Paul Nuttall is the new leader and

:40:34. > :40:39.there has been a huge amount of turbulence. Brexit is happening, and

:40:40. > :40:45.so what is the point? I would dearly love to see one or two Ukip MPs in

:40:46. > :40:50.Parliament, partly to hold Theresa May's feature to the fire, as they

:40:51. > :40:55.say, and partly to talk about issues Conservatives are not addressing at

:40:56. > :41:00.the moment, like social cohesion. Nevertheless, I do regretfully say I

:41:01. > :41:04.don't think Ukip are going to win many if any seats, and I think

:41:05. > :41:09.that's rather sad. Unfortunately a function of fact that Theresa May

:41:10. > :41:14.has nailed her cards to the mast, she is Brexit, it means Brexit, and

:41:15. > :41:19.unfortunately Ukip is still associated, like it or not, with

:41:20. > :41:24.leaving the EU, so the job is done. I don't agree at all. I think you

:41:25. > :41:27.will be surprised. I think the big difference this time is that voters

:41:28. > :41:32.share is one thing, and it probably won't be as high as it was last

:41:33. > :41:35.time, and the fact is, there are no prizes for coming second with first

:41:36. > :41:39.past the post, and we know that this time, so we've been much more

:41:40. > :41:43.focused on a number of seats, so I think you will be surprised... What

:41:44. > :41:50.level do you think you will get in number of seats? Is hard to say. We

:41:51. > :41:54.have the one but I would certainly like us to see... We will be

:41:55. > :41:57.targeting may be around six particular places and I think

:41:58. > :42:06.therefore, you know... We also have a secondary layer. But the reality

:42:07. > :42:10.is that the Ukip vote is going to the Tories. Do you accept that?

:42:11. > :42:14.There is a shift, not only in personnel going to the Tories, but

:42:15. > :42:21.also amongst voters, and that's the story of the first week of the

:42:22. > :42:25.campaign, he says. The personnel who have gone... Basically, you know,

:42:26. > :42:30.they joined us and piggybacked with us for a while and have gone back to

:42:31. > :42:34.where they should always have been. They are not missed at all. What

:42:35. > :42:38.will become clear to people, it's already becoming clear, is that for

:42:39. > :42:42.example, on a big issue like migration, where people do trust and

:42:43. > :42:46.believe we say what we mean, right, there is nothing coming from the

:42:47. > :42:50.Government. That's become quite clear that immigration control and

:42:51. > :42:53.levels have stayed the same for about ten years after we leave.

:42:54. > :43:00.That's going to become clear over the next six weeks. Thank you.

:43:01. > :43:03.Among those MPs choosing to stand down rather than seek re-election

:43:04. > :43:09.According to his local executive council, the majority were set

:43:10. > :43:13.Mr Mackintosh has been criticised for his role in a loan

:43:14. > :43:15.to Northampton Town Football Club, which is now under

:43:16. > :43:17.Mr Mackintosh has denied any wrongdoing.

:43:18. > :43:19.Joining us now from Norwich is the investigations

:43:20. > :43:21.editor for BBC East, Julian Sturdy.

:43:22. > :43:29.Thank you for coming onto the programme. Who is David Mackintosh?

:43:30. > :43:35.He's only been an MP for the last two years with a majority of 1700.

:43:36. > :43:37.He was a prominent supporter of the homelessness reduction Bill and

:43:38. > :43:42.championed the rights of grandparents. He had a question at

:43:43. > :43:45.Prime Minister's Questions last week and was photographed with Jeremy

:43:46. > :43:51.Hunt a couple of days ago, so last week he put out a video saying he

:43:52. > :43:55.intends to stand again. What has changed his mind? Well, he has

:43:56. > :43:59.jumped before he was pushed. He attended a deselection meeting and

:44:00. > :44:05.the majority of that council were going to vote against him, they told

:44:06. > :44:09.us, and at least 60 of those at the meeting were going to vote against

:44:10. > :44:14.him. He could well have gone on the short list but even then his name

:44:15. > :44:18.had become toxic in Northampton. One prominent Tory told me he would

:44:19. > :44:24.resign if his name was on the ballot paper. Explain why he had become so

:44:25. > :44:28.toxic and unpopular on the ballot paper. It goes back to his days of

:44:29. > :44:34.the council leader in Northampton. In the run-up to the election, he

:44:35. > :44:38.oversaw a ?10 million loan to the owners of Northampton football club.

:44:39. > :44:42.It was to redevelop one of the stands. That ground to a halt, the

:44:43. > :44:46.money ran out and now there is a police investigation into where the

:44:47. > :44:50.money went. David Mackintosh says he has done nothing wrong and he will

:44:51. > :44:56.co-operate with the police inquiry, but in order to find he had rushed

:44:57. > :45:02.through the loan and his Cabinet were not given the full information

:45:03. > :45:07.about the risks of that loan. What part has central office played in

:45:08. > :45:11.his decision to quit? They saw off a rebellion by the party back in

:45:12. > :45:15.December, when the party wanted to vote no confidence in him. We were

:45:16. > :45:19.told at the time he would only be a one-time MP. He obviously didn't

:45:20. > :45:29.expect the election to now, but I think in the last local elections on

:45:30. > :45:32.the doorstep is named just wasn't getting popular vote. The brand was

:45:33. > :45:36.being destroyed. It is the local party that has effectively forced

:45:37. > :45:40.him to stand down and they now two weeks to find a replacement. We are

:45:41. > :45:43.told this lunchtime there is a consideration that the former MP,

:45:44. > :45:46.the long serving Brian Binley, might be asked to come back. Thank you.

:45:47. > :45:48.Now, as well as electing local councillors in next

:45:49. > :45:50.month's local elections, in six areas of England

:45:51. > :45:53.they'll also be choosing new kinds of mayor -

:45:54. > :45:55.metro mayors - that don't just represent one city,

:45:56. > :46:04.He's a monkey and Hartlepool's football mascot.

:46:05. > :46:06.Oh, and 15 years ago, people here voted for him

:46:07. > :46:13.But ten years later, they dumped him.

:46:14. > :46:16.They had a referendum and decided to get rid of the whole idea

:46:17. > :46:21.But now people here in Hartlepool will soon be getting

:46:22. > :46:24.one of the country's first regional mayors.

:46:25. > :46:28.That's because Hartlepool, together with five other councils,

:46:29. > :46:33.have joined forces to create the Tees Valley Combined Authority.

:46:34. > :46:38.Well, the Government's told them that if they work together

:46:39. > :46:41.and have an elected mayor to lead on things like housing

:46:42. > :46:43.and transport, then they'll get more cash and power

:46:44. > :46:49.But do people here want a regional mayor?

:46:50. > :46:54.There's a lot of money that could be put to better uses, I think,

:46:55. > :47:00.Are we doing it to satisfy Westminster?

:47:01. > :47:02.We could maybe use the money in better ways.

:47:03. > :47:07.I'll vote anything that'll be good for the town.

:47:08. > :47:09.I think a lot of the decisions will go with Middlesbrough,

:47:10. > :47:12.you know, and I think it'll affect Hartlepool in a negative

:47:13. > :47:29.The idea is that these new metro mayors will bring growth to flagging

:47:30. > :47:31.economies and get people more involved in local government.

:47:32. > :47:34.But some academics argue there's a lot of hype and hope

:47:35. > :47:57.Some of these mayors will be looking at areas about how we connect

:47:58. > :47:59.transport to new housing and looking at jobs. That is not currently

:48:00. > :48:02.happening in our cities. Some mayors preside over strongly

:48:03. > :48:03.performing economies, other mayors preside over

:48:04. > :48:05.weakly performing economies. It's very difficult

:48:06. > :48:11.to establish a relationship. do high-profile mayors

:48:12. > :48:16.contribute to increased Again, very little evidence

:48:17. > :48:19.of that around the world. On the contrary, actually,

:48:20. > :48:21.declining turnout seemed to be Despite the high-profile campaign

:48:22. > :48:26.of H'Angus the Monkey in Hartlepool, only a third of the electorate

:48:27. > :48:28.bothered to vote. If turnout is also low

:48:29. > :48:30.for the metro mayor elections, it could leave whoever wins the job

:48:31. > :48:33.facing questions And we're joined now

:48:34. > :48:51.by Dr Jo Casebourne Will they prove any more popular

:48:52. > :48:58.than the city mayors did? These ones are a very different thing. Unlike

:48:59. > :49:01.being an air for a single local authority and not having very much

:49:02. > :49:05.power which is why people voted not to have won previously, these people

:49:06. > :49:09.will have more power and will be visible local leaders and will be

:49:10. > :49:13.accountable and people will know who they are. Is there evidence that

:49:14. > :49:18.people are willing for this to happen? When people are asked if

:49:19. > :49:23.they want more local government they tend to say no. When people think

:49:24. > :49:26.there is an additional layer of government being imposed on them,

:49:27. > :49:30.they are not keen. The very few people in London would not want one

:49:31. > :49:34.because they have seen positive changes in terms of their lives and

:49:35. > :49:38.transport. You see the kind of sustainability of mayors over time

:49:39. > :49:43.as they get more power and deliver more for local people. Do you think

:49:44. > :49:48.people understand the concept of Metro mayors and do they understand

:49:49. > :49:51.the costs? I think that has been less engagement with the public this

:49:52. > :49:55.time than we might have hoped. The fact that we will have a general

:49:56. > :49:58.election so soon after the mayoral elections means there will be less

:49:59. > :50:03.turn out that we would have liked. But once people see things people

:50:04. > :50:08.have been campaigning about, these are issues which really impact

:50:09. > :50:16.people and impact people's lives. Do they convince you? Will be be a good

:50:17. > :50:19.thing? I do not think they will but I am very enthusiastic about it. I

:50:20. > :50:25.was in Birmingham on Wednesday night for the times where we were chairing

:50:26. > :50:31.an event with the two main campaigners for now. One was the

:50:32. > :50:36.previous chief executive of John Lewis. He says he has the power to

:50:37. > :50:39.bring together 22 local councils and will bring transport, council and

:50:40. > :50:45.investment and be a face for that area. It is a pretty depressed area.

:50:46. > :50:48.Both he and the Labour candidate are making the very powerful case that

:50:49. > :50:52.there needs to be something to galvanise that region because the

:50:53. > :50:57.existing system has not worked. If they can go and be ambassadors and

:50:58. > :51:00.spokesmen and coordinators and cheerleaders for the region, then

:51:01. > :51:06.perhaps something will begin to happen. If we say the existing

:51:07. > :51:10.system is fine, it is not working for the country outside London.

:51:11. > :51:14.There will not be much of an infrastructure. It will be more

:51:15. > :51:18.about the powers of bringing people together and working out strategies

:51:19. > :51:22.which suit everybody and not one little council area. This will be

:51:23. > :51:25.proper devolution, not just politicians and central government

:51:26. > :51:30.saying it is great and then they will give the powers that people

:51:31. > :51:38.need? I would love to know how they will have this new powerful sub

:51:39. > :51:41.government. I am pleased we are attracting candidates of the calibre

:51:42. > :51:45.of the guy from John Lewis. I was going to say the problem with local

:51:46. > :51:52.government is the people they tend to attract an low grade. But if you

:51:53. > :51:58.have real power then you will attract more people. They have money

:51:59. > :52:04.which is given to them to spend locally. The infrastructure will not

:52:05. > :52:09.be very expensive and that is what people worry about. Absolutely. We

:52:10. > :52:14.will see they are big powerful political figures by the calibre of

:52:15. > :52:19.the candidates. Have careered trajectories in politics are about

:52:20. > :52:27.to get more interesting -- perhaps career trajectories are about get

:52:28. > :52:30.more interesting. What areas will they have impact? Greater Manchester

:52:31. > :52:34.has been doing this and they will be able to work with health and social

:52:35. > :52:37.care locally to try and bring systems together. I think people

:52:38. > :52:41.will be watching Greater Manchester to see what happens and no doubt

:52:42. > :52:48.more powers will be devolved over time. Police and Crime Commissioners

:52:49. > :52:52.have not turned out to be popular. In some cases they have been rolled

:52:53. > :52:57.into the mayor's new powers so some will be taking over the role of

:52:58. > :53:00.Police and Crime Commissioner. Dr Jo Casebourne, thank you.

:53:01. > :53:02.Well, it's been a busy week on the campaign trail,

:53:03. > :53:05.so here's Ellie with the definitive campaign week in 60 seconds.

:53:06. > :53:07.In this first full week of campaigning, Jeremy Corbyn wasn't

:53:08. > :53:10.turning his back on core voters, making promises on housing,

:53:11. > :53:15.Tony Blair still thinks Labour's heading in the wrong direction

:53:16. > :53:21.Meanwhile, she's been promising strong and stable leadership

:53:22. > :53:24.over and over again, which may be why it was the longest

:53:25. > :53:28.Boris Johnson went off that script and call Jeremy Corbyn a...

:53:29. > :53:32...Herbivore muddleheaded Mugwump, or whatever.

:53:33. > :53:35.And no-one knew what he was talking about, not least his sister,

:53:36. > :53:37.who announced she's joining the Lib Dems.

:53:38. > :53:40.A boost for Tim Farron, who had to sack one of his candidates

:53:41. > :53:45.And then he earned his own hashtag "smell my spaniel"

:53:46. > :53:48.Can you smell my spaniel, maybe, maybe?

:53:49. > :53:51.Elsewhere, the Ukip leader denied he thought he was a bit like Gandhi

:53:52. > :53:54.and insisted beekeepers would be exempt from their proposed

:53:55. > :53:56.ban on wearing of face coverings in public.

:53:57. > :54:02.And in Scotland, the party leaders have agreed to a leadership debate,

:54:03. > :54:11.and Nicola Sturgeon road a motorbike.

:54:12. > :54:21.It's time to find out the answer to our quiz.

:54:22. > :54:24.Yesterday we heard that the Queen will dress down for the State

:54:25. > :54:25.Opening of Parliament after the general election.

:54:26. > :54:29.So the question for today is, when was the last time she did so?

:54:30. > :54:39.So, James and Jenni, what's the correct answer?

:54:40. > :54:49.Do you know, I think I was given the answer and I have forgotten it. You

:54:50. > :54:55.cannot have forgotten it! Is it 1959? No, Jenni have another go. I'm

:54:56. > :54:59.going to have a wild guess it was 1974 when they had two elections

:55:00. > :55:02.given that they could not be bothered to put their grand things

:55:03. > :55:05.on twice a year. That is correct. And we are joined by the BBC's royal

:55:06. > :55:12.correspondent Peter Hunt. Before we get to the 1974 election

:55:13. > :55:17.and the dressing down, what does it mean to dress down for the Queen?

:55:18. > :55:23.When you get to the Royals this is all rather relative. I have heard on

:55:24. > :55:30.social media there were suggestions of a regal onesie. We are moving

:55:31. > :55:35.from the royal fling we are used to which is a full evening dress, the

:55:36. > :55:40.long gloves and when she gets to the house of parliament the rapist put

:55:41. > :55:51.on and the Imperial State Crown. Very heavy -- the MP real road --

:55:52. > :55:59.the Imperial robe is that on. What we get is the day dress. A1 is the

:56:00. > :56:03.is what people wear now. That may be your day dress. All these

:56:04. > :56:10.suggestions are being taken on board at Buckingham Palace. Day dress plus

:56:11. > :56:15.hat and handbag. That is important, the handbag. Why is it dressed down?

:56:16. > :56:19.The timings they say. There is the Trooping the Colour, the Queen's

:56:20. > :56:23.official birthday on the Saturday before, this happens on the Monday

:56:24. > :56:30.and they do not have time to rehearse. But they have done it so

:56:31. > :56:34.often. But it takes so much preparation. Take us back to the

:56:35. > :56:40.last time there was a dressing down. This is where we put it in context.

:56:41. > :56:44.You see this footage that she is in day dress as you both correctly

:56:45. > :56:50.identified. She is being driven, she's going by motorcar and not the

:56:51. > :56:56.carriage. You would normally see the State coach with horses, the

:56:57. > :56:59.Household Cavalry, soldiers and a full military escort. All that went

:57:00. > :57:05.in 1974 and that will go this year. That is because there is not enough

:57:06. > :57:09.time to preparing to rehearse. Does it save money? You should have

:57:10. > :57:16.someone from the government here and not me! Saving money, that is a

:57:17. > :57:27.traditional lefty position. I was just wondering whether it was the

:57:28. > :57:32.case in this time of austerity. And in 1974 was it also a snap election?

:57:33. > :57:35.Yes, and when the election was called the Queen was in Australia.

:57:36. > :57:41.She came back, dealt with it and then went back for her tour. How

:57:42. > :57:47.much time does the Royal household need? Is their extensive rehearsal,

:57:48. > :57:50.even if you have done it numerous times... The key thing to be

:57:51. > :57:59.rehearsed is not necessarily a woman who is 91 and has done it since

:58:00. > :58:04.1952, it is the Household Cavalry, the horses and carriages in place.

:58:05. > :58:09.This has been rearranged for a Monday which means the order of the

:58:10. > :58:15.Garter has gone. That has been cancelled? Andrew Neil of this

:58:16. > :58:19.parish I have seen is a future member of the Garter. Does it matter

:58:20. > :58:27.that she is dressing down? Will anybody mind? We would not even have

:58:28. > :58:33.noticed. She looks like the Queen still in that footage. That is

:58:34. > :58:38.footage from 1974. Do you think it matters, Jenni? I hate to challenge

:58:39. > :58:44.James' preconceptions, but I happen to like the ritual. We have nothing

:58:45. > :58:48.left in these Brexit days apart from to say look at our Queen and

:58:49. > :58:50.ridiculous outfits. People like it. Thank you for coming in in your day

:58:51. > :58:51.dress. There'll be a couple of hours of

:58:52. > :59:07.just fantastic music, really, all the Ella classics, as well as

:59:08. > :59:11.some very special guests,