:00:37. > :00:41.Afternoon folks and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:42. > :00:44.The final two contenders for the French Presidency go head
:00:45. > :00:48.to head in a heated and - at times - ill-tempered debate.
:00:49. > :00:52.Who will take the crown in Sunday's election?
:00:53. > :00:55.Tommy Robinson takes on the anti-extremism think tank,
:00:56. > :00:57.Quilliam over claims he's on the far right.
:00:58. > :01:04.The kit that's keeping us safe from the threat of terrorism -
:01:05. > :01:08.can technology help us win the war?
:01:09. > :01:10.And what do Donald Trump's tweets tell us about what makes
:01:11. > :01:26.Fake news, a sorry state. All fake news. You a fake news. BBC. He's
:01:27. > :01:37.another beauty! Never quite thought of the BBC as a
:01:38. > :01:39.beauty, but there you go, we will take it in the literal sense.
:01:40. > :01:42.All that in the next hour and with us for the duration today
:01:43. > :01:43.is the foreign affairs analyst Tim Marshall.
:01:44. > :01:46.He used to work for a broadcaster called Sky News -
:01:47. > :01:49.now he's much more famous as the editor of a blog called
:01:50. > :01:56.First this morning, Buckingham Palace have announced
:01:57. > :01:59.that Prince Philip is to stand down from public duties in the Autumn.
:02:00. > :02:02.The Prince, who is now 95, will continue his involvement
:02:03. > :02:04.with over 780 organisations although he will no longer
:02:05. > :02:06.play an active role by attending engagements.
:02:07. > :02:08.In the last hour the Prime Minister has reacted
:02:09. > :02:21.On behalf of the whole country I want to offer our deepest
:02:22. > :02:23.gratitude and good wishes to His Royal Highness
:02:24. > :02:25.the Duke of Edinburgh following the announcement
:02:26. > :02:28.that he will stand down from public duties in the autumn.
:02:29. > :02:30.For his steadfast support for Her Majesty The Queen to his
:02:31. > :02:33.inspirational Duke of Edinburgh awards and his patronage of hundreds
:02:34. > :02:34.of charities and good causes, his contribution
:02:35. > :02:37.to our United Kingdom, the Commonwealth and the wider world
:02:38. > :02:47.will be of huge benefit to us all for years to come.
:02:48. > :02:56.The Prime Minister there. I guess the Palace has done us a favour an
:02:57. > :03:01.ad baby can't talk about elections. They've given us a news story. They
:03:02. > :03:04.have, and it was a story you were absolutely loving in the media,
:03:05. > :03:09.about 8am, rumours they were going to be a meeting. This mystery. I
:03:10. > :03:14.drove past Buckingham Palace and there is wall-to-wall satellite
:03:15. > :03:19.trucks and correspondence, everyone rushed down there in case, God
:03:20. > :03:26.forbid, someone had fallen under a royal was, quite happily no, it is
:03:27. > :03:28.still a big story, I am rather ambivalent about them but I
:03:29. > :03:35.understand the role they play in the country and the respect is for them.
:03:36. > :03:40.The guy has been around a time and for all the slitty eyed remarks
:03:41. > :03:46.except, except at... They are all being published. A great excuse to
:03:47. > :03:51.drop them out, I met him once, I don't think he remembers, he met me.
:03:52. > :03:57.On balance, some of them were gaps, but put that in perspective of a
:03:58. > :04:02.life's worked, the scales or tipped towards him, he has done lot for
:04:03. > :04:08.this country. We see him there with his MCC tie on yesterday looking at
:04:09. > :04:17.cricket bats, wielded by some of the legends of the game, what I'm not
:04:18. > :04:23.sure is has he been, has he got to 95, reducing his engagements and
:04:24. > :04:27.this is the natural end to his engagements or is this an abrupt
:04:28. > :04:33.end? I've been doing a lot, I'm now not doing anything. You will have to
:04:34. > :04:37.go to the royal experts on Matt, I can't work out why do you announce
:04:38. > :04:42.this now that he's retiring in the autumn and this is only speculation
:04:43. > :04:47.on my behalf, the man is 96, he occasionally fall so, I think they
:04:48. > :04:53.are preparing us for the long, slow withdrawal... He looks pretty good
:04:54. > :04:59.for 95, 96-year-old, standing bolt upright, walks without any aid or
:05:00. > :05:04.assistance am not even a stick. He was in the war and he has carried
:05:05. > :05:08.that war bearing, a senior naval officer, in my younger days I did a
:05:09. > :05:12.couple of royal in India and Pakistan and you see him striding
:05:13. > :05:13.around, lifting children over barriers to get to the Queen.
:05:14. > :05:19.Impressive. There we go. Voters in France will be
:05:20. > :05:22.going to the polls this Sunday There were originally 11 candidates
:05:23. > :05:26.but that was narrowed down to just two in the first-round
:05:27. > :05:27.vote last month. The two remaining candidates
:05:28. > :05:29.are Emmanuel Macron, from the centrist En Marche party,
:05:30. > :05:32.and Marine Le Pen, Neither belonging to the mainstream
:05:33. > :05:44.parties in France. The two candidates clashed
:05:45. > :05:46.on primetime French In a heated exchange,
:05:47. > :05:49.Marine Le Pen accused her rival of being "the candidate
:05:50. > :05:51.of savage globalisation". saying Marine Le Pen was "the high
:05:52. > :05:58.priestess of fear". on major policy areas
:05:59. > :06:01.like the economy, Marine Le Pen is a staunch
:06:02. > :06:12.eurosceptic and she's promised an in-out referendum on France's EU
:06:13. > :06:15.membership within the first six She would need Parliament to agree
:06:16. > :06:24.to that. But Emmanuel Macron is a strong
:06:25. > :06:27.supporter of the EU. On a visit to London last month
:06:28. > :06:30.he said that he would aim to "defend French and European interests"
:06:31. > :06:33.in the Brexit negotiations. with the bookies and the pollsters -
:06:34. > :06:36.but it's thought that around a fifth of French voters
:06:37. > :06:45.are still undecided. Well, here are the two
:06:46. > :06:47.candidates in last It was pretty dramatic television,
:06:48. > :06:58.entertaining and enjoyable. TRANSLATION: Mr Macron
:06:59. > :07:01.is the candidate of globalisation. TRANSLATION: You've shown that
:07:02. > :07:13.you are not the candidate The question is, do the people
:07:14. > :07:17.want your defeatist attitude? You say globalisation
:07:18. > :07:19.is too hard for us. TRANSLATION: The safety
:07:20. > :07:30.of our people and the fight against terror, Islamist extremism,
:07:31. > :07:33.you don't want to take it on. Against terrorism we have
:07:34. > :07:42.to close our borders. And that's what I'll do
:07:43. > :07:46.the moment I take power. TRANSLATION: Closing
:07:47. > :07:47.borders achieves nothing. There are many countries outside
:07:48. > :07:49.the Schengen area which have been hit as hard as us
:07:50. > :07:53.by terrorist attacks. And since 2015 we have put
:07:54. > :08:05.back border controls. That gives you a flavour of the
:08:06. > :08:06.debate which went on for over two hours.
:08:07. > :08:08.Joining me now is Max Begon-Lours from the Front National.
:08:09. > :08:10.We did ask En Marche, that's Emmanuel Macron's
:08:11. > :08:26.party, for an interview - but they said no one was available.
:08:27. > :08:34.But we still have Macs with us. Welcome to the camp -- the country.
:08:35. > :08:36.-- to the programme. Your candidate, we thought it would be a game
:08:37. > :08:45.changer and it wasn't. I think that's a tough assessment of
:08:46. > :08:50.the debate, she wanted to deliver a message that was there has been a
:08:51. > :08:55.big marketing project to present Mr Micron as the candidate for change,
:08:56. > :09:00.a new candidate and this is not true, he has been in government, a
:09:01. > :09:05.member of a socialist party and he hasn't condemned the policies of a
:09:06. > :09:10.socialist government. The message was if you are not happy with the
:09:11. > :09:13.current government, don't put the vote to Macron because you're going
:09:14. > :09:16.to get the same thing for the next five years. I understand that when
:09:17. > :09:22.she came back to that again and again, all the woes of the Francois
:09:23. > :09:29.Hollande government seemed to be laid at the doorstep of Macron by
:09:30. > :09:34.Marine Le Pen but I understand she wanted to paint him as the
:09:35. > :09:36.continuity of an unpopular government candidate, so unpopular
:09:37. > :09:40.Francois Hollande couldn't run again but is cutting through, we see no
:09:41. > :09:47.movement towards her in this campaign. I think you have to look
:09:48. > :09:51.at the electorate. Most people who aren't going to vote, who said they
:09:52. > :09:55.are going to vote for Macron said they won't change their mind, the
:09:56. > :09:58.key message was to change on the side of people. What was important
:09:59. > :10:04.to making the decision. Do you think, she was pretty brutal in
:10:05. > :10:10.personal terms to Mr Macron, he gave as good as he got what if you are
:10:11. > :10:15.trying to get uncommitted voters, maybe vote is closer to the centre,
:10:16. > :10:20.is that kind of approach in a debate really likely to get them? I think
:10:21. > :10:24.she spoke with her heart, she is furry dissatisfied with the policies
:10:25. > :10:29.that are hurting her country, I am as well. A lot of the people were
:10:30. > :10:34.trying to convince our very dissatisfied, they have lost their
:10:35. > :10:41.jobs, health benefits coming down. It was interesting at the start of
:10:42. > :10:47.the debate, her attack on Mr Macron tom on economic policy was from the
:10:48. > :10:58.left. At times she sounded like a rage against capitalism, the banker.
:10:59. > :11:03.You are a banker. The workers, the state, it was a kind of left Wick --
:11:04. > :11:07.left-wing critique of capitalism. I think she's just reflecting the
:11:08. > :11:14.opinions of the French people on policy. Mr Macron is supporting
:11:15. > :11:20.unrestricted free trade, the offshore moving of French companies,
:11:21. > :11:23.you can't just say it left or right, what is in the best interests of the
:11:24. > :11:30.French people, we are not against capitalism, we think the economy
:11:31. > :11:33.should serve the French people not the French people serving the
:11:34. > :11:40.economy. What did you think of the debate? I know you watched it. I was
:11:41. > :11:44.gripped. Anoraks are also. The best display I've ever seen of passive
:11:45. > :11:46.aggressive smiling from both, when they were calling each other
:11:47. > :11:52.traitors and liars they were both smiling. They allowed cutaways, I
:11:53. > :11:55.know it is a technical thing in a way but that was an innovation in
:11:56. > :12:02.the French presidential debate, to get a split screen. To try and
:12:03. > :12:08.rounded, I think the narrative, when she loses and she will these -- lose
:12:09. > :12:11.by a good 15-20 points, the far right have been halted in their
:12:12. > :12:15.tracks and it's a false narrative, they said it after the Dutch
:12:16. > :12:19.elections, the Dutch far right increased their share. People said
:12:20. > :12:24.this was a failure, this won't be a failure for the front National, they
:12:25. > :12:28.will get this far, Mr Macron will go into power with no MPs, I can't see
:12:29. > :12:31.how he will make a good fist of it over the next five years given the
:12:32. > :12:35.state Francis and and its policies and I think the candidate of this
:12:36. > :12:41.gentleman is far better placed for five years time. Last thing that is
:12:42. > :12:45.so important about this, how to rebrand yourself? With respect to
:12:46. > :12:48.you, I can see you holding me up either throat against a wall but 20
:12:49. > :12:53.years ago when I used to cover your party, time and again at rallies I
:12:54. > :12:56.would be held up against a wall by thugs in masks demanding to see my
:12:57. > :13:05.passport, and I was a correspondent in Paris. When Marine Le Pen's
:13:06. > :13:08.father would talk about the Holocaust, the detail of the Second
:13:09. > :13:12.World War, you have moved a long way from there and I think it's a
:13:13. > :13:16.brilliant piece of rebranding. How far have you moved? In terms of
:13:17. > :13:20.actuality as opposed to brand, Marine Le Pen decided to step down
:13:21. > :13:25.temporarily as leader of the National front for the rest of the
:13:26. > :13:30.campaign, she chose a man, her stand-in, who is a name EP, he then
:13:31. > :13:34.had to step aside because there were allegations he had questioned,
:13:35. > :13:44.indeed he had questioned the existence of the Nazi gas chambers?
:13:45. > :13:47.People made this allegation. Really? You didn't say, I consider from a
:13:48. > :13:53.technical standpoint it is impossible, I stress impossible to
:13:54. > :13:58.use the Gas the Nazis used in mass extermination? We are suing the
:13:59. > :14:04.people who made this statement for defamation. We know this, he said,
:14:05. > :14:10.he doesn't recall participating in the interview. The Parliamentary
:14:11. > :14:13.elections, in June, they will be important for whoever is President
:14:14. > :14:17.but you don't do well in Parliamentary elections, do you? You
:14:18. > :14:22.rarely get through the second round, you won't get a lot of deputies, a
:14:23. > :14:26.lot of members of the assembly. Look at the French map, how many
:14:27. > :14:33.departments in France, when Marine Le Pen was first, the French
:14:34. > :14:37.constituency where she was ahead of Macron, things have changed a lot.
:14:38. > :14:41.We will see in June, we have more French elections, we cannot get
:14:42. > :14:49.enough of them! Taking up ten's point, is her heart in battling
:14:50. > :14:53.through to Ford will be 2020 to cover the next presidential election
:14:54. > :14:58.because she had a pretty lacklustre campaign for the round one and even
:14:59. > :15:06.last night, she seemed to run out of steam in the final 40-45 minutes.
:15:07. > :15:11.She began round one 26, 27 points in the polls and ended up at 22, Ishii
:15:12. > :15:15.and for the long term? I think she's in for the long term, I'm not privy
:15:16. > :15:18.to what she wants to do. I definitely think she has the skills
:15:19. > :15:23.to do this, look at what she achieved in five years, taking us to
:15:24. > :15:28.the second round with polls showing us at 40%, it's incredible. We are
:15:29. > :15:32.clearly the main opposition now to these policies. We will see. Your
:15:33. > :15:37.final thought, they will be the main opposition in parliament. They want
:15:38. > :15:39.and that is the problem, he had a substantial share of the National
:15:40. > :15:43.boat in France but it doesn't transfer into seats which means the
:15:44. > :15:46.people who think the system is rigged against them will continue to
:15:47. > :15:50.think that, which means the fissures in French society will continue and
:15:51. > :15:56.briefly, I am not accusing you of being a fascist, your party was a
:15:57. > :15:59.fascist party under Marine Le Pen's father, I notice add your
:16:00. > :16:05.headquarters you have black and Arab people, you haven't ditched that
:16:06. > :16:09.tinge of fascism, have you? The media haven't ditched it, which is
:16:10. > :16:14.the argument. We shall see, the results coming through I think, the
:16:15. > :16:19.polls close at 8pm on Sunday night, is that right, French time? We will
:16:20. > :16:23.get the exit polls at 7pm London time. Usually by the second round,
:16:24. > :16:28.they are pretty accurate. Tim has recently written
:16:29. > :16:35.a book about the power and politics of flags,
:16:36. > :16:37.so he should know more about them The question for today
:16:38. > :16:41.is which of these flags is the odd one out,
:16:42. > :16:43.in that it is still the flag Is it a) Union flag with red,
:16:44. > :16:48.white and blue stripes? b) Union flag with red
:16:49. > :16:53.and white hoizontal stripes? c) Defaced red ensign featuring
:16:54. > :16:58.a heraldic shield in the fly? Or d) Defaced light
:16:59. > :17:00.blue ensign featuring At the end of the show Tim will give
:17:01. > :17:17.us the correct answer. I won't. LAUGHTER
:17:18. > :17:19.Or you can send his book back. LAUGHTER
:17:20. > :17:22.Over the past three years the activities of the extremist
:17:23. > :17:24.group so-called Islamic State, has made many headlines.
:17:25. > :17:26.But is their reign of terror coming to an end?
:17:27. > :17:29.The group has now lost much of the territory it once
:17:30. > :17:38.In a moment we'll hear from Tim but first Emma Vardy takes a look
:17:39. > :17:58.... The city of Mosul and rapidly advanced to the capital Baghdad. At
:17:59. > :18:03.its peak ices controlled half of Syria and large parts of Iraq. --
:18:04. > :18:07.ices controlled for the timid in people were living under their
:18:08. > :18:17.control. The jihadists claimed they had a caliphate and Brislington
:18:18. > :18:21.renamed themselves Islamic State. Kurdish fighters recaptured the
:18:22. > :18:26.northern Syrian town of Kobani in 2015 and since then Kurdish led
:18:27. > :18:32.forces have driven IS out of thousands of square kilometres of
:18:33. > :18:35.northern Syria. At the end of 2014, they have this mission statement of
:18:36. > :18:39.remaining and expanding, that was their mantra, but now they not
:18:40. > :18:44.remaining and they are certainly not expanding. Their fundamental
:18:45. > :18:50.elements to their success in 2014 have been challenged and how they
:18:51. > :18:56.continue to adapt under this coalition is a huge question. The
:18:57. > :19:01.current focus of the battle in Iraq is the control of Mosul, the
:19:02. > :19:05.jihadists last major stronghold, the eastern half of the city has now
:19:06. > :19:10.been liberated but taking Western Mosul is expected to be tough with
:19:11. > :19:17.more densely populated districts. As IS has lost key cities and other
:19:18. > :19:26.crucial factors have been the loss of funding. The maximum amount of
:19:27. > :19:30.money that was earned by Isis was $2 billion coming from oil and
:19:31. > :19:38.extortion and confiscations. And now we believe their funding has dogged
:19:39. > :19:44.by -- dropped by about 50% and they have lost access to Keira fine
:19:45. > :19:47.arrays and they can't tax their large population centres that they
:19:48. > :19:55.had previously -- lost access to key oil refineries. The drone strikes
:19:56. > :20:06.have also led to the deaths of key IS figures.
:20:07. > :20:19.Can't post a serious threat to the UK, according to a Parliamentary
:20:20. > :20:23.report -- Khan posed. There is expected to be a bloody battle for
:20:24. > :20:28.Raqqa in the coming months. Black flags are not flying as high as they
:20:29. > :20:33.used to, such as here, which was taken back from IS in the past week.
:20:34. > :20:36.Many smaller villages have also been liberated from their control, but
:20:37. > :20:44.those on the ground said defeating IS in the more populated towns and
:20:45. > :20:48.cities is much slower work. I spoke to a journalist from northern Syria
:20:49. > :20:57.yesterday afternoon and he described how IS resource into ever more
:20:58. > :21:03.brutal tactics. In small villages IS fighters are not showing any
:21:04. > :21:09.resistance, because if they did, they will give coordinates and they
:21:10. > :21:12.will bomb the area directly, but it is different regarding big towns and
:21:13. > :21:33.cities. IS has now lost more than half the
:21:34. > :21:37.ground it once held. But the battle to eradicate the group will continue
:21:38. > :21:42.to result in many lives being lost on all sides. Fighting groups on the
:21:43. > :21:53.ground in conjunction with air strikes from the United States led
:21:54. > :21:57.coalition will make sure there are areas continue to diminish, but what
:21:58. > :22:06.is next clear is what comes next. -- make sure there are areas continue
:22:07. > :22:11.to diminish. The caliphate is still there, why? Because they have not
:22:12. > :22:16.put ground troops in and they are relying on the Kurds to do it and
:22:17. > :22:19.they will do it. In answer to the question, are they willing, no,
:22:20. > :22:24.because they are losing these battles but they are not losing the
:22:25. > :22:28.war. They will lose the rest of Mosul this year, and they will
:22:29. > :22:35.probably lose Raqqa by this time next year, and Raqqa is very
:22:36. > :22:40.important because it has been spoken at the end of days will happen when
:22:41. > :22:43.the black flags disappear. They have done what Al-Qaeda have never did,
:22:44. > :22:48.they have taken territory and held it to create the caliphate. They
:22:49. > :22:52.have made themselves the big boys, but they are going to lose. But the
:22:53. > :22:58.ideology that underpins them and Al-Qaeda and others is not lost.
:22:59. > :23:02.They will scatter into Afghanistan and other countries, into the weaker
:23:03. > :23:05.areas of China, and we will see an outbreak of violence in many of
:23:06. > :23:10.those places and in Europe. They will continue to recruit. The
:23:11. > :23:14.ongoing battle which is generational because the ideology is still
:23:15. > :23:19.embedded in enough people to make it a massive threat. So they are losing
:23:20. > :23:25.the people, but the war is ongoing which we will find out over the
:23:26. > :23:29.generations. Tens of thousands of troops had been deployed to Mosul
:23:30. > :23:34.and they have been backed by Allied British and American and other
:23:35. > :23:39.special forces and air power. And yet it has taken a long while. I
:23:40. > :23:42.remember people said it won't be over by Christmas, meeting last
:23:43. > :23:49.year, but it probably will be over not long after that, and it is still
:23:50. > :23:56.not over. I'm no military expert but I never thought that. I think maybe
:23:57. > :24:00.by this time next year they will be pushed out of Raqqa and even then
:24:01. > :24:04.there is a problem. If the Kurds go there, that's not a Kurdish area,
:24:05. > :24:09.that is a Sunni area and that will cause problems. We're not talking
:24:10. > :24:13.about the American overwhelming firepower, even though they have it.
:24:14. > :24:19.But they are not flattening everything and Mosul is the most
:24:20. > :24:26.populous city in Iraq. So you can either fats push them out and take
:24:27. > :24:29.400,000 civilian casualties or go street by street and take several
:24:30. > :24:36.thousand civilian casualties. That is what is happening. It is awful
:24:37. > :24:41.and bloody but this is part of the war and Isis is going to lose it but
:24:42. > :24:49.another group called Isis Mach two will be there in a couple of years.
:24:50. > :24:52.-- mark. President Trump said defeating Isis would be his top
:24:53. > :24:58.priority. Well, he said a lot of things. Do you discern any change in
:24:59. > :25:05.policy towards Islamic State from America? Not really. There was wild
:25:06. > :25:10.speculation that he was going to put 300,000 ground troops in, but that
:25:11. > :25:15.was nonsense. So far there have been extra special forces into Jordan and
:25:16. > :25:21.into Syria, and they are ramping up and I would not rule out more going,
:25:22. > :25:27.and they are also now floated to the front lines. There was a casualties
:25:28. > :25:32.last week, I think. I don't think the United States really cares about
:25:33. > :25:35.Syria. It is not as important for them strategically and they are far
:25:36. > :25:39.more concerned about what is happening in the South China Sea and
:25:40. > :25:41.other parts of the world. We will leave it there, Tim, thank you for
:25:42. > :25:44.that. Now - there's one story that the BBC
:25:45. > :25:47.won't be reporting today - and that's the general election
:25:48. > :25:48.campaign. That's because voters in most parts
:25:49. > :25:51.of the UK are going to the polls for the local elections -
:25:52. > :25:54.and there are strict rules about how the broadcasters can report
:25:55. > :25:56.politics on polling day. But we can tell you what elections
:25:57. > :25:59.are happening today: The local elections are currently
:26:00. > :26:01.underway in England, The polls opened at 7 this
:26:02. > :26:08.morning and they close In England, there are elections
:26:09. > :26:12.for 34 councils, with 2,370 There are also eight mayoral
:26:13. > :26:22.elections in England, with voters going to the polls
:26:23. > :26:25.in the West Midlands, Greater Manchester, Doncaster,
:26:26. > :26:26.North Tyneside and elsewhere. In Scotland, every seat in all 32
:26:27. > :26:35.councils is up for election. And it's the same in Wales -
:26:36. > :26:39.every seat in the 22 Welsh councils The Daily Politics
:26:40. > :26:47.is off-air tomorrow. But do tune in to BBC Two from 9am,
:26:48. > :26:50.where Huw Edwards will be bringing you all the results
:26:51. > :26:53.and analysis in a special local Now - the former leader
:26:54. > :27:00.of the English Defence League, Tommy Robinson, raided the offices
:27:01. > :27:05.of the anti-extremism think-tank, Quilliam, earlier this week claiming
:27:06. > :27:14.that one of the organisation's authors had labelled him
:27:15. > :27:15.a 'white supremicist'. Quilliam ejected Mr Robinson
:27:16. > :27:19.and the cameraman who was with him and have made a complaint
:27:20. > :27:22.to the police. We'll be talking to Tommy
:27:23. > :27:24.Robinson and Haras Rafiq First here's footage of the incident
:27:25. > :27:27.filmed for the online So today we are going
:27:28. > :27:34.to an organisation called Quilliam. And the reason I'm going there
:27:35. > :27:36.is one of their leading researchers, a lady called Julia,
:27:37. > :27:39.she wrote an article yesterday in The Guardian where she declares
:27:40. > :27:41.I'm a white supremacist. So you haven't got an appointment?
:27:42. > :27:44.No. OK.
:27:45. > :27:46.So do you mind coming this way? Come on.
:27:47. > :27:50.Yeah. Do you mind if I ask why I'm
:27:51. > :28:03.a white supremacist? I did not say that you were
:28:04. > :28:05.a white supremacist. No, I did not.
:28:06. > :28:09.You can read the exact article. Come on, Julia.
:28:10. > :28:19.to break his camera? And Haras Rafiq, the Chief Executive
:28:20. > :28:31.of Quilliam joins us now, Mr Robinson. You often complain that
:28:32. > :28:36.you arbitrate as much more extreme than you say you are, but is
:28:37. > :28:41.bursting into an office like that, and ending in a fracas, helps in the
:28:42. > :28:51.image you want to portray? The doors were open and I was very polite and
:28:52. > :28:56.I walked with once -- one cameraman. Bearing in mind that the lady called
:28:57. > :28:59.me a white supremacist. This is about people who support me, working
:29:00. > :29:02.class people at home who have been pigeonholed as extremists and
:29:03. > :29:11.racists and far right when they are not. They have genuine concerns and
:29:12. > :29:18.right STUDIO: -- euro they have genuine concerns and fears.
:29:19. > :29:32.Should you be on the side of Quilliam? If they are what they say
:29:33. > :29:41.they are. Why are they named after Quilliam? They need to be named
:29:42. > :29:46.after a true reformer. They do a lot of work to promote moderation. Only
:29:47. > :29:49.people in that office who wear certain ties are allowed to have an
:29:50. > :29:54.opinion and everyone else is called a far right extremist. You have
:29:55. > :30:00.attended rallies and you have tweeted endorsements of groups like
:30:01. > :30:03.Britain first. I have reported on a demonstration by Britain first and I
:30:04. > :30:08.have also done that for Muslim demonstrations. The reason I'm
:30:09. > :30:13.going, because the truth is not being related to the people at home.
:30:14. > :30:19.The mainstream media, they are all reporting fake news and they are
:30:20. > :30:24.lying to people. Quilliam, they have lied to people but when the video
:30:25. > :30:31.goes online, it shows what happens, I was not bullying and intimidating.
:30:32. > :30:34.You were trespassing. There was an open door and I walked into the
:30:35. > :30:42.office. We should be talking about what that lady said. I will come to
:30:43. > :30:49.that in a minute. You retweeted a Britain first video about fake news
:30:50. > :30:55.and media lies, and that does associate you with extremist groups.
:30:56. > :31:00.I also retweeted an article on Isis which wish showing the facts about
:31:01. > :31:06.them and that is not associated me with them -- which was. It is the
:31:07. > :31:13.facts as seen by a hard right group. I'm not here to talk about me for
:31:14. > :31:18.top and to talk about the demonisation of people like me. This
:31:19. > :31:24.has gone on for ten years. It's not fair.
:31:25. > :31:32.On this Guardian comment piece, you effectively called him fight
:31:33. > :31:37.supremacist. Let me clarify, the position on Tommy further he is a
:31:38. > :31:41.supremacist or not, Tommy knows me, he has been to my house, he knows my
:31:42. > :31:45.family, he knows I am not someone with a vendor against him and he
:31:46. > :31:49.knows what I stand for so I'm surprised as Chief Executive he says
:31:50. > :31:55.Quilliam stands for something else. The position is not that Tommy is a
:31:56. > :32:00.fight supremacist. An article was written by someone, I wasn't... A
:32:01. > :32:03.senior researcher... The process needs to be change that I get
:32:04. > :32:08.everything out. Did you not that this? I did not. Can I let our
:32:09. > :32:15.viewers know what was said. What this woman wrote for the Guardian,
:32:16. > :32:18.the far right has moved from the fringe into the mainstream. It
:32:19. > :32:22.demonstrates massive support that fight supremacist and movements have
:32:23. > :32:30.attracted, there online followership also does cars Tommy Robinson's
:32:31. > :32:36.Twitter account as has almost the same number as Theresa May. Although
:32:37. > :32:42.she didn't write Tommy Robinson is a fight supremacist it would be hard
:32:43. > :32:51.to come to any other conclusion when you read the logic, the chronology
:32:52. > :32:54.of that article. OK, let me again reiterate the position, Tommy
:32:55. > :32:58.Robinson is not a fight supremacist as far as Quilliam is concerned.
:32:59. > :33:03.Tommy could have rang me and we could have sorted this out, but we
:33:04. > :33:07.are for we are and we will sort this out. I have spoken to the author,
:33:08. > :33:11.the article was not meant to say he is a fight supremacist, it could
:33:12. > :33:16.have been worded better, absolutely, according to her it was meant to say
:33:17. > :33:19.that Tommy has followers as many organisations do who are not fight
:33:20. > :33:23.supremacist and will attract people who are white supremacists because
:33:24. > :33:27.sometimes they will feel attracted to a message, not necessarily his
:33:28. > :33:31.fault... It was clumsily worded. I think it should have been worded
:33:32. > :33:36.differently and my reading that was not to say that Tommy is a white
:33:37. > :33:41.supremacist. He said live on network television he doesn't think you are
:33:42. > :33:46.a white supremacist. Everyone knows I am not fight supremacist, this was
:33:47. > :33:50.assigned to... It is not just about me, it's about people who support
:33:51. > :33:53.me, it's frustrating, I meet people in the street who don't like me and
:33:54. > :33:56.they don't not fight they don't like me, I get attacked regularly and
:33:57. > :34:01.when I get down to talking to them, one person, I went to his house,
:34:02. > :34:04.everything he thought I stood for I didn't stand for and that's because
:34:05. > :34:10.of articles like this, fake news. For I come back to you, do you
:34:11. > :34:15.accept what he now says? Because his Medicare, he doesn't think what the
:34:16. > :34:20.article implies. There is no way that article was not written to
:34:21. > :34:24.imply that, that was wrote to... It says the far right dehumanises
:34:25. > :34:29.Muslims, exactly what she has done to me, she humanised me as standing
:34:30. > :34:34.for something I'm not. I've made the official position of Quilliam
:34:35. > :34:40.officially clear, I and Chief Executive, Julia is not. Am I an
:34:41. > :34:45.extremist? I have never called you an extremist. I didn't read any of
:34:46. > :34:50.us, all of these things, these are lies. From local government
:34:51. > :34:55.funded... First of all it is not government funded and that is a lie
:34:56. > :35:01.and you know it isn't. Number two, breaking into, going into an office
:35:02. > :35:05.on and fight it, being asked to leave, trespassing for a political
:35:06. > :35:15.grievance is political extremism. It is. By definition it is. And
:35:16. > :35:17.secondly, emulating tactics that Britain first and other
:35:18. > :35:20.organisations use sets a dangerous precedent. Emulating
:35:21. > :35:32.emulating tactics emulating tactics of owing, these people, there were
:35:33. > :35:36.people in the office yesterday, women who have never met Tommy who
:35:37. > :35:41.were genuinely scared. Genuinely scared because of the lies that
:35:42. > :35:46.people like... They were scared because you and cameramen came in
:35:47. > :35:50.and you were forcing a microphone uninvited, unexpected into some of's
:35:51. > :35:54.face on private property and the point is, had you rang me and I
:35:55. > :35:58.called you, and it's on the video, I said wait for me, it's on the video,
:35:59. > :36:02.people can see it, please let me finish, is said to you very calmly
:36:03. > :36:06.and I say it again now, the offer is there to sort this out, I say to you
:36:07. > :36:09.calmly on the phone I am in a meeting, you have travelled all the
:36:10. > :36:14.way down from Luton, there is a copy shop nearby, wait for me. Hundreds
:36:15. > :36:18.of thousands of people through the Guardian have read this article but
:36:19. > :36:25.says this... You wanted sorted? We will sorted. But we wouldn't be
:36:26. > :36:29.having this conversation... Afterwards,... This was a pretty
:36:30. > :36:37.good publicity stunt. Imagine, I had to ring up and use a fake name to
:36:38. > :36:40.get only radio show. What he said afterwards, I wouldn't have taken
:36:41. > :36:44.the call if I knew it was Tommy Robinson, do I expect he will sit
:36:45. > :36:48.down and talk to me? I am the Chief Executive of Quilliam, you know
:36:49. > :36:55.that, I have had you at my house. I want to bring in Tim Marshall, he
:36:56. > :36:59.will be the umpire. Let me ask you, you say you are not an extremist,
:37:00. > :37:04.what were you an extremist? I've never been an extremist, ever. Were
:37:05. > :37:10.you not a member of the DMP? We've gone through this. We've done this.
:37:11. > :37:15.Rent you a member at one stage? I was a member when I joined because
:37:16. > :37:22.of what was happening in 2009. You were extras? I wasn't. I was 21
:37:23. > :37:31.years old and I joined an organisation... While we are on
:37:32. > :37:36.subject, justice for Chelsea .com, people need to sign into that
:37:37. > :37:38.because English girls across the country are being raped... You
:37:39. > :37:49.cannot use us for that. Let me correct something. ... Is not in
:37:50. > :37:54.jail for terrorism... Tim Marshall, you'd been listening to this, you
:37:55. > :37:56.know the issues. What's your view? I've followed both organisations for
:37:57. > :38:04.many years, I've seen ten minutes you put on on your TV channel
:38:05. > :38:09.online. And I have to say this is the way to sort things out. And
:38:10. > :38:14.quite encouraged by this and I can see that you don't think this man is
:38:15. > :38:19.a white supremacist, nor do I. I'm not going to see a -- say a plague
:38:20. > :38:23.on both your houses because I get for you are both coming from. You've
:38:24. > :38:28.framed it in class terms and I understand that the cause I have
:38:29. > :38:32.some sympathy for the view that the moment you come out with a
:38:33. > :38:36.working-class voice people stop listening to what you are saying,
:38:37. > :38:40.they listened to the accident and not the words, that is part of the
:38:41. > :38:47.problem with people sneering Brexit borders. By frame it -- I know for
:38:48. > :38:52.you are coming from. You said to Jeremy Paxman, your kids don't go to
:38:53. > :38:57.the school were my kids go. We are running out of time. But... This is
:38:58. > :39:01.not trying to be patronising but it's not the way to do things, you
:39:02. > :39:07.did barge into an office, a place of work, you did shove cameras, your
:39:08. > :39:11.guys need media training, don't put your hand on the camera. The big
:39:12. > :39:19.problem is lies in the national media. That is a point you made
:39:20. > :39:23.several times. We will leave there, thank you both for being with us.
:39:24. > :39:26.Now - since 7/7 the the threat from Islamist inspired terrorism has
:39:27. > :39:29.been ever-present and the threat level in the UK remains at severe.
:39:30. > :39:31.Despite subsequent loss of life thankfully most
:39:32. > :39:33.plots have been thwarted, not least thanks to the expertise
:39:34. > :39:37.Adam visited the Security and Anti Terror Expo in west London
:39:38. > :39:44.where some of that expertise was on display.
:39:45. > :39:47.250 companies are exhibiting and over the next two days 10,000
:39:48. > :39:55.But if you ain't a security industry professional you ain't getting in.
:39:56. > :39:58.So come through the world's first ballistic protected shutter to see
:39:59. > :40:15.Celebrities if they want to have it on their house.
:40:16. > :40:18.How much would one of these cost me if I wanted to protect
:40:19. > :40:26.How about an EU funded project that uses virtual reality to whisk
:40:27. > :40:31.What am I doing, I'm looking for someone with a suspicious bag?
:40:32. > :40:34.Sorry, excuse me, I'm opening the bag.
:40:35. > :40:42.It's actually a parachute that turns into a boat.
:40:43. > :40:45.For dogs that jump out of helicopters.
:40:46. > :40:50.But, as the goodies go high-tech, the baddies are going low.
:40:51. > :40:53.Bob Broadhurst ran the police operation for the 2012 Olympics.
:40:54. > :40:58.All you need is a car, a knife or a gun.
:40:59. > :41:03.And I think that's where the current trend is looking towards.
:41:04. > :41:06.Moving away from the technicalities of making a bomb and delivering it
:41:07. > :41:09.in a vehicle or a plane, to anybody in this room
:41:10. > :41:12.being a potential terrorist, and that is a huge challenge.
:41:13. > :41:14.Not just for the people at events like this,
:41:15. > :41:18.So this event is as much about sharing expertise
:41:19. > :41:27.And we're joined now by the former head of the Metropolitan Police
:41:28. > :41:33.anti-terrorism command, Richard Walton.
:41:34. > :41:39.Welcome to the programme. This technology making a difference in
:41:40. > :41:43.the counterterrorism efforts that we have to make? As we have seen in
:41:44. > :41:48.your clip there, obviously there are terrorist attacks have link with
:41:49. > :41:51.very unsophisticated, the one that happened in Westminster was probably
:41:52. > :41:56.the least sophisticated you can possibly imagine, each others
:41:57. > :42:02.doesn't have a car and a kitchen knife... And the same in Nice and
:42:03. > :42:07.Berlin. Nevertheless, terrorists learn from experience, we know they
:42:08. > :42:14.are using technology overseas, for instance, Islamic State are using
:42:15. > :42:17.drum technologies, they index -- developing drum capabilities and we
:42:18. > :42:22.need to be aware of where the threat is going because the threat is
:42:23. > :42:26.constantly changing. Although we've had low-level attack she wouldn't
:42:27. > :42:30.rule out the use of technology by the terrorists that we need to
:42:31. > :42:35.counteract? Absolutely not done they think this is what this expo is
:42:36. > :42:38.about, it's about thinking about the wider threats, for it these threats
:42:39. > :42:43.could go next, there is a lot of concern around cyber terrorism, we
:42:44. > :42:46.haven't seen it yet but of course we know there is intent, we know
:42:47. > :42:50.Islamic State, if they could, weaponised using chemical and
:42:51. > :42:54.biological weapons they would do so, it's wise and sensible to get
:42:55. > :42:57.professionals together across a range of disciplines to talk about
:42:58. > :43:01.these issues and look at the counter measures you can put in place to
:43:02. > :43:05.mitigate those threats. I'm told Britain is pretty good at this sort
:43:06. > :43:08.of stuff in the sense that we are at the cutting edge of quite a lot of
:43:09. > :43:15.developments. Is that related to the fact that long before we had to deal
:43:16. > :43:20.with Islamist terrorism we had 30 years of the IRA? Sure, when I
:43:21. > :43:24.standard -- started on counterterrorism in 1989 there were
:43:25. > :43:27.six officers dealing with counterterrorism at one desk, fun I
:43:28. > :43:32.left there were 6000 dealing with international terrorism, now there
:43:33. > :43:34.is six I understand the link with the Irish terror threat on the
:43:35. > :43:41.mainland but more across Northern Ireland. The terrorism threat is
:43:42. > :43:44.constantly changing. In the end, you need, it's the old-fashioned talking
:43:45. > :43:50.to people, shoe leather, the Pops from the local community, the
:43:51. > :43:55.heightened sense of vigilance, all below text I would think still
:43:56. > :43:59.matters. A key plank of the British counterterrorism strategy is
:44:00. > :44:02.absolutely that, engagement, prevent strategy, getting people to come
:44:03. > :44:05.forward, encouraging the Muslim community to talk to officials and
:44:06. > :44:11.police and to a large extent, that's worked. Look at the last three
:44:12. > :44:15.years, talking about 15 disrupted plots, regrettably, one got through
:44:16. > :44:20.in Westminster. It would have been hard to detect, in Westminster. An
:44:21. > :44:23.individual who apparently had no connection with other terrorists
:44:24. > :44:26.overseas, but we are aware of, incredibly difficult to disrupt
:44:27. > :44:30.those kind of plots but I think we need to be and put it into
:44:31. > :44:37.perspective, in the same time period we've seen plenty attacks in France,
:44:38. > :44:42.five in Germany, and the French themselves have stopped a lot. A
:44:43. > :44:48.number of victims and small ones get through. Two disrupted attacks in
:44:49. > :44:51.France in the last two weeks, the threat continues, I agree with Tim's
:44:52. > :44:56.assessment earlier on, once the physical camel -- caliphate in
:44:57. > :45:00.Islamic State is defeated and let's hope that happen soon, the virtual
:45:01. > :45:04.caliphate if you like, the way the ideology can be spread through
:45:05. > :45:08.social media in particular, will interview and we need to work harder
:45:09. > :45:11.on digital radicalisation and taking of the websites, some of the
:45:12. > :45:13.material on this radicalising youth. That brings us full circle, that's
:45:14. > :45:21.for a technology comes. Thank you. Now, once upon a time if you wanted
:45:22. > :45:24.to know the thinking of a foreign government you may have had to wait
:45:25. > :45:28.months for an envoy's letter If you were curious
:45:29. > :45:32.about the innermost thoughts of a foreign head of state,
:45:33. > :45:35.well, you'd have to ask your But nowadays you can put
:45:36. > :45:40.the cloak-and-dagger away and simply Never before has the world seen
:45:41. > :45:43.someone with as much power as Donald Trump also be willing
:45:44. > :45:46.to tweet about how it We thought we'd take a look
:45:47. > :45:53.back at some of the US President's greatest hits
:45:54. > :45:56.on the platform over the years - with a little help from
:45:57. > :45:58.impressionist Lewis Macleod. Just when the newspaper editor has
:45:59. > :46:09.the headlines ready, I It's just awfully good that someone
:46:10. > :46:27.with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law
:46:28. > :46:29.in our country. Politicians are all
:46:30. > :46:37.talk and no action. Washington can only be
:46:38. > :46:41.fixed by an outsider. You've called women you don't
:46:42. > :47:00.like fat pigs, dogs, I refuse to call
:47:01. > :47:08.Megyn Kelly a bimbo. Because that would not be
:47:09. > :47:11.politically correct. Instead I will only call her
:47:12. > :47:13.a lightweight reporter. A great movement is verified
:47:14. > :47:31.and crooked opponents try to belittle our
:47:32. > :47:33.victory with fake news. BBC.
:47:34. > :47:44.Here's another beauty. Many people have said I'm
:47:45. > :47:46.the world's greatest writer of 140 It's War and Peace, right
:47:47. > :47:53.there, 140 characters. You know, to send a tweet, birdsong,
:47:54. > :47:55.it's the same thing. I can't do it, but my
:47:56. > :48:02.words are great. You know, starlings,
:48:03. > :48:07.chaffinches, eagles. A bit heavy on your shoulder
:48:08. > :48:13.when they land on you. Lewis Macleod, there,
:48:14. > :48:25.who occasionally deputises for the President in the radio
:48:26. > :48:27.programme Dead Ringers. We're joined now by
:48:28. > :48:29.the journalist Peter Oborne. He's written a book
:48:30. > :48:43.examining every single one Why did you put yourself through
:48:44. > :48:45.this? This is what explains how he became President of the United
:48:46. > :48:52.States of America. You think it is that important? That is what he
:48:53. > :48:58.says. Is that true? He invented a new political language. It was a
:48:59. > :49:04.very very significant thing. Very often the case that a new political
:49:05. > :49:17.force comes to a new medium. Reza felt and his -- Reza felt -- Teddy
:49:18. > :49:22.Roosevelt and his fireside chats. JFK and TV, he was the first to
:49:23. > :49:29.really understand TV. It is the awful truth, President Trump was the
:49:30. > :49:34.first to grip Twitter, that was the medium which gave him his fullest
:49:35. > :49:38.expression. And allowed him to escape the evil mainstream media.
:49:39. > :49:46.And speak directly to voters and his followers. Exactly so. And mediated,
:49:47. > :49:55.which is the aim of all political dictators. -- not mediated. You get
:49:56. > :49:59.in the way sometimes, Andrew! It was very simple, message which cannot be
:50:00. > :50:11.contradicted, brutal, very funny sometimes. What do we glean about Mr
:50:12. > :50:19.Trump? What have you concluded? Quite a serious thing. Of course. He
:50:20. > :50:24.is funny, he's brilliant, but also he's much more sinister than I
:50:25. > :50:28.realised. I tended to think that he was a buffoon, right wing buffoon,
:50:29. > :50:33.and we have plenty of those everywhere, but if you read through
:50:34. > :50:38.this, the links with very sinister far right movements, there is one
:50:39. > :50:45.which he retweeted, white genocide, and I felt ashamed even to open it.
:50:46. > :50:48.When was that? About two years ago. You open it and go through to very
:50:49. > :50:54.sophisticated Adolf Hitler propaganda. Did you know what he was
:50:55. > :51:05.doing? Do you give him the benefit of the doubt? There were links...
:51:06. > :51:13.Ross Limbo, he's extremely nasty. Radio shock jock? Yes. The
:51:14. > :51:19.conspiracy theorists, anti-vaccine, the birth conspiracies. These are
:51:20. > :51:25.things he retweets? And actually plays with and entertains them and
:51:26. > :51:29.gives them space. Is there a change. He was doing this when he wasn't
:51:30. > :51:36.president. Before he was running, as well. Is he more careful now? Yeah,
:51:37. > :51:41.I think years. Now that he's in the White House, much of the more rancid
:51:42. > :51:51.anti-Muslim staff has gone. He did that before? Very ugly. About
:51:52. > :51:56.Muslims. Yeah. What do you make of it? We are going to look back at
:51:57. > :51:59.this as historians and this is the first president to get the new
:52:00. > :52:07.medium. Twitter is a shorthand for the new medium. I watched the White
:52:08. > :52:11.House press briefings with Sean Spicer, directly through the White
:52:12. > :52:17.House website, and I don't watch it from the 24-hour news channels. I
:52:18. > :52:22.watched the feed and he has got that, that people now go round it.
:52:23. > :52:27.Regarding Twitter, I love to say I told you, I said a couple of years
:52:28. > :52:30.ago that he is not a buffoon. You have got to listen with EE of the
:52:31. > :52:37.Pittsburgh steel worker. -- and listen with EE. And he has now
:52:38. > :52:41.started to come down. I think he is dangerous and sinister and deeply on
:52:42. > :52:47.present and he's using 21st century technology with a bold ideology, but
:52:48. > :52:54.he remains not as dangerous as most people think -- with a 20th-century
:52:55. > :52:58.ideology. Some people thought he would stop when he got into the
:52:59. > :53:03.White House. The tone might have changed, but he still sees this as a
:53:04. > :53:09.weapon in his media wars. He promised he would stop, but he has
:53:10. > :53:19.actually continued. And it got worse. These tweets at 3am, the
:53:20. > :53:25.mixture of bruised ego about celebrity and game shows with
:53:26. > :53:31.threats of world War three, all mingling into aid arranged cocktail.
:53:32. > :53:37.-- into a torrential sub you would think he had more on his mind. Well,
:53:38. > :53:43.he's not a deep thinker. Now if you like trumpet fanfares
:53:44. > :53:51.and ceremonial costumes, you'll love this item,
:53:52. > :53:54.because while we have been on air the proclamation summoning
:53:55. > :53:56.a new UK Parliament, which was signed by the Queen
:53:57. > :53:58.yesterday afternoon, Whereas we and by and with
:53:59. > :54:03.the advice of our Privy Council. Being desirous and resolved, as soon
:54:04. > :54:07.as may be to meet our people, and to have their
:54:08. > :54:19.advice in Parliament. The proclamation arrived in
:54:20. > :54:24.Edinburgh and the cameras were there to witness the event. It was the
:54:25. > :54:26.summons of a new parliament for the 13th of June.
:54:27. > :54:29.And we can talk to someone now who was involved in that parade -
:54:30. > :54:32.the Rothesay Herald of Arms, Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw
:54:33. > :54:50.What was the purpose of today's pageantry? The purpose of a
:54:51. > :54:57.proclamation is to announce from the cross where people use together, any
:54:58. > :55:02.ball news which is important for the kingdom -- where people used to
:55:03. > :55:07.gather together, any oil news. Proclamation was the best way of
:55:08. > :55:14.getting royal news out to all the boroughs in Scotland. We maintain
:55:15. > :55:19.that addition to this day in respect, used be dissolutions of
:55:20. > :55:24.Parliament and the calling of new parliaments and also for announcing
:55:25. > :55:32.the succession of Nick and calling coronation and so on. -- succession
:55:33. > :55:35.of a monarch. We are now historically more limited and the
:55:36. > :55:41.most common ones are in relation to Parliament as happens today. The
:55:42. > :55:45.Queen issued this in London, but you proclaimed this in Edinburgh. Are
:55:46. > :55:53.there other parts of the country where this is proclaimed? The City
:55:54. > :55:59.of London, Cryer reads the proclamation in the City of London
:56:00. > :56:05.and the Lord line reads it in Scotland. Until the last couple, the
:56:06. > :56:10.Scottish one was always five days after the London one, because that
:56:11. > :56:16.was how long it took for the horse to get from London to Edinburgh with
:56:17. > :56:20.the proclamation. People used to say that Scottish MPs when title to five
:56:21. > :56:25.days extirpate because Parliament had not been dissolved in Scotland
:56:26. > :56:33.-- five days extirpate. Until we read the proclamation. Did it all go
:56:34. > :56:36.well today? It went like clockwork? Yes, everything went very well, we
:56:37. > :56:42.had a shorter time to get the ceremony together. The army turned
:56:43. > :56:48.up and did their part very well. It is a great privilege to take part in
:56:49. > :57:00.these ceremonials. We know it is a busy day. Thanks for joining us. So
:57:01. > :57:04.resplendent, as well. We have had Mori action to the announcement that
:57:05. > :57:10.Prince Philip is stepping down from his public engagements in the autumn
:57:11. > :57:13.-- mort reaction. He has dedicated his life to public service and to
:57:14. > :57:18.supporting the Queen. He has more than earned his retirement. Prince
:57:19. > :57:21.Philip, as well as the support he is given the Queen and his own public
:57:22. > :57:26.service, has done an amazing amount of charity work, especially to the
:57:27. > :57:35.Duke of Edinburgh awards which in Scotland has helped millions of
:57:36. > :57:38.young people. I think he is the one who has gone about his public
:57:39. > :57:44.engagements with a sense of humour and people will be appreciative of
:57:45. > :57:48.what he has done and will wish you all the best for a happy and
:57:49. > :57:52.peaceful retirement. -- will wish him. You can keep abreast of all of
:57:53. > :57:54.that on BBC News. There's just time before we go
:57:55. > :57:57.to find out the answer to our quiz. The question was which of these
:57:58. > :58:01.flags is the odd one out, in that it is still the flag
:58:02. > :58:14.of a sovereign nation. You can see them all there. Tim,
:58:15. > :58:19.which one? I thought if I could speak slowly enough we would run out
:58:20. > :58:26.of time. One of those is Hawaii and I think the nation state one is the
:58:27. > :58:30.bottom right. You are right. That is the Fiji flag and that is still the
:58:31. > :58:37.flag of the nation state. Well done. The one o'clock news is starting
:58:38. > :58:42.over on BBC One now. I will be back tonight
:58:43. > :58:43.with Michael Portillo, Lisa Nandy, Lionel Barber,
:58:44. > :58:47.Adrian Chiles, Miranda Green and the comedian Simon Evans
:58:48. > :58:52.on This Week from 1145. We are making way for rolling
:58:53. > :58:57.election coverage tomorrow