:00:39. > :00:45.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:46. > :00:48.The Mayor of London, Labour's Sadiq Khan,
:00:49. > :00:51.warns cuts to the Met Police could make it harder
:00:52. > :00:53.to foil terror attacks, the Conservatives say police numbers
:00:54. > :00:55."remain high", as the parties argue over how best to protect
:00:56. > :01:01.The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson says Britain's destiny is to be
:01:02. > :01:04.friends and partners with the rest of the world, as he sets out
:01:05. > :01:07.the Conservatives' plan for new trade deals after Brexit.
:01:08. > :01:11.Could the Conservatives make gains in Wales,
:01:12. > :01:11.at the expense of Labour, in the election on Thursday?
:01:12. > :01:15.We're on the campaign trail in Wrexham.
:01:16. > :01:17.Imagine we were halfway through the working week already.
:01:18. > :01:20.We've brought the mood box to Bristol to test out
:01:21. > :01:24.the Greens' policy of a three-day weekend for everyone.
:01:25. > :01:27.I would love to have a three-day weekend but I'm
:01:28. > :01:30.thinking does that mean a lot of my money's going
:01:31. > :01:40.All that in the next hour and with us for the whole
:01:41. > :01:42.of the programme today is Jonathan Bartley,
:01:43. > :01:48.But first, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has warned
:01:49. > :01:51.that the Metropolitan Police is facing the loss of thousands
:01:52. > :01:54.of front line officers, under Conservative spending plans.
:01:55. > :01:58.Mr Khan says Scotland Yard could lose up to 40% of its constables -
:01:59. > :02:03.making it harder to prevent future terror attacks.
:02:04. > :02:05.Under a renewed Theresa May government, as a consequence of the
:02:06. > :02:09.cuts to our policing budget, we'd have fewer police officers,
:02:10. > :02:12.and all the experts tell me, by the way, that one of the
:02:13. > :02:18.ways we counter terrorism is by fantastic police in the community.
:02:19. > :02:21.Members of the community of all backgrounds report intelligence to
:02:22. > :02:24.police officers in the community, they pass it on and it helps keep
:02:25. > :02:33.There's no doubt fewer police officers means we're in more danger.
:02:34. > :02:38.The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson rejected
:02:39. > :02:40.the Labour criticism, defending the Government's record
:02:41. > :02:44.on spending on the police and security services.
:02:45. > :02:47.I have to say I think first of all that is wrong.
:02:48. > :02:50.Police numbers in London have remained high.
:02:51. > :02:53.And, secondly, we protected police budgets in 2015 and the Labour
:02:54. > :02:56.Party, as I recall, actually wanted to cut them by 10%.
:02:57. > :03:02.But all that argument detracts from the
:03:03. > :03:04.responsibility of these scumbags for what they have done and we should
:03:05. > :03:14.Boris Johnson. In the last hour of the Metropolitan Police have said
:03:15. > :03:18.they believed the third London Bridge attacker was Youssef Zaghba,
:03:19. > :03:19.a Moroccan Italian man who was not a subject of interest to the police or
:03:20. > :03:21.MI5. We're joined now by our Assistant
:03:22. > :03:30.Political Editor, Norman Smith. How damaging is this continuing row
:03:31. > :03:32.over numbers of the police and security services and resources in
:03:33. > :03:38.general in terms of the Government? I think it is damaging because it
:03:39. > :03:45.just stops to reason me getting onto the agenda she wanted to focus on in
:03:46. > :03:49.the last days of the campaign. She wants it to be about Brexit and yet
:03:50. > :03:53.again and again when she is out and about what she is challenged over is
:03:54. > :03:56.this reduction in police numbers, and why it matters so much is
:03:57. > :04:00.because it is very personal to Theresa May. She was Home Secretary,
:04:01. > :04:04.she provided over this cut in police numbers of around 20,000. The other
:04:05. > :04:09.thing that strikes me about it is it is a very simple concept for voters
:04:10. > :04:13.to grasp, it's not one of these much more difficult issues like the
:04:14. > :04:18.social care cap and the U-turn over that. A cut of police numbers is a
:04:19. > :04:27.very simple idea to get hold of. The last thing that I think compounds
:04:28. > :04:29.the difficulties Theresa May faces is the reluctance to openly concede
:04:30. > :04:32.that, yes, she has presided over a significant cut in police numbers.
:04:33. > :04:36.We saw that to some extent with the social care row with Theresa May
:04:37. > :04:41.unwilling to admit there had been a U-turn and that grates with voters
:04:42. > :04:44.and they find it exasperating that Theresa May is unable to concede
:04:45. > :04:49.what is a fact, police numbers have been cut. What about full Labour? Is
:04:50. > :04:54.very difficulty on the doorstep for Labour candidates if there is an
:04:55. > :04:57.impression that Jeremy Corbyn is viewed as soft on terror because he
:04:58. > :05:02.hadn't voted in favour of numerous counts of terrorism legislation?
:05:03. > :05:06.That clearly is the hope and calculation of the Conservatives,
:05:07. > :05:13.who today have tried to sort of shift the focus onto Mr Corbyn and
:05:14. > :05:16.Diane Abbott's own record and their opposition to previous anti-terror
:05:17. > :05:19.legislation. I think it's harder for them frankly
:05:20. > :05:24.when you have individuals like Sadiq Khan coming out with this very stark
:05:25. > :05:27.suggestion that it's not just historic police cuts at the Met has
:05:28. > :05:33.to face ongoing police cuts, he says of around 400 million or more, which
:05:34. > :05:38.he says could mean a reduction of between 10%-40% of the total police
:05:39. > :05:43.forceful stop it is harder to be so dismissive of a figure like Sadiq
:05:44. > :05:46.Khan, in part because Theresa May and others have come out and
:05:47. > :05:48.publicly praised him for his handling in the aftermath of the
:05:49. > :05:49.terror attack. Norman Smith, thank you.
:05:50. > :05:51.We've been joined from Bristol by the former
:05:52. > :05:53.Conservative Chief Whip, Mark Harper, and from Birmingham
:05:54. > :06:01.Welcome to both of you gentlemen. Mark Harper, first of all. We have
:06:02. > :06:05.seen one of the terrorists involved in the Saturday's attack was
:06:06. > :06:09.previously featured in a programme quite recently last year called The
:06:10. > :06:14.Jihadis Next Door and had been reported to the authorities. This
:06:15. > :06:19.does now look to be a pretty extreme case of hiding in plain sight. What
:06:20. > :06:22.went wrong in your mind? I listened to what Mark Rowley said this
:06:23. > :06:26.morning, the head of the counterterrorism command, and I
:06:27. > :06:29.think I'm right in clear, saying he made it clear the Metropolitan
:06:30. > :06:33.Police investigated this particular individual and obviously looked at
:06:34. > :06:36.all the evidence, and they couldn't find any evidence that he was
:06:37. > :06:42.involved in planning a terrorist attack of any description. I believe
:06:43. > :06:47.they then placed him in a group of individuals who they keep, who they
:06:48. > :06:52.are alert to, and keep an eye on, but it he hadn't been planning
:06:53. > :06:55.anything. They did the investigation and I believe he set that out
:06:56. > :06:59.clearly this morning. People find that difficult to take bearing in
:07:00. > :07:03.mind what has happened and the fact he's been identified, when many of
:07:04. > :07:07.our viewers saw him in this television documentary. It was in
:07:08. > :07:14.2016 last year on Channel 4 News am aware he's shown quite clearly in
:07:15. > :07:19.the company of people who would be deemed to be a threat to security.
:07:20. > :07:24.You have got legislation, of course, in place that makes organisations,
:07:25. > :07:28.proscribed organisations, being banned, or the glorification of
:07:29. > :07:34.terrorism and offence. So should he have been a high up priority for the
:07:35. > :07:37.security services? Look, I don't know what information the security
:07:38. > :07:41.services had available to them. Generally they perform very well and
:07:42. > :07:46.have foiled 18 plots over the last three years. One of the things the
:07:47. > :07:49.Prime Minister set out after the terrible events of the weekend in
:07:50. > :07:54.London is that we do need to do more to deal with people on extremism.
:07:55. > :08:02.What, though? What concrete things could you do more than have put this
:08:03. > :08:07.man, Khuram Butt, on a list high up priority for the security services?
:08:08. > :08:11.One of the challenges here, this is why it's not an easy matter to deal
:08:12. > :08:15.with, is my understanding is he hadn't committed any criminal
:08:16. > :08:18.offences, and so the challenge for the law-enforcement bodies is how
:08:19. > :08:23.you deal with people who you believe might be a threat but haven't yet
:08:24. > :08:28.done anything. That is why we have the terrorism and orders which can
:08:29. > :08:33.keep people under certain restrictions. They are barely used,
:08:34. > :08:38.Mark Harper. They've been used seven times and the list says there are
:08:39. > :08:41.23,000 people who are a potential risk. But you do have to have some
:08:42. > :08:44.evidence to be able to go before a judge to put those in place, one of
:08:45. > :08:49.the things the Prime Minister wants to look at. That is why we had in
:08:50. > :08:52.our manifesto before any of these terrorist outrages this new
:08:53. > :08:56.countering extremism panel that we want to set up to bring forward
:08:57. > :09:02.those ideas. We have a range of powers that we can use to deal with
:09:03. > :09:06.people, the Prime Minister when Home Secretary banned more hate preachers
:09:07. > :09:10.from coming to the United Kingdom than any previous Home Secretary,
:09:11. > :09:13.thus keeping people out of Great Britain people would try and inspire
:09:14. > :09:17.the sort of terrorism and those are the sort of measures. There is no
:09:18. > :09:22.single magic solution, you have to put in a range of measures,
:09:23. > :09:25.strengthening sentences for people committing terrorism, looking at the
:09:26. > :09:32.TPim regime and continuing to invest in counterterrorism. Let me put this
:09:33. > :09:38.to Jack Dromey. It's true, isn't it, if Khuram Butt had not committed are
:09:39. > :09:42.crime and if there was no evidence he would commit an attack, what
:09:43. > :09:45.could have been done to apprehend a method of the attack?. Two issues,
:09:46. > :09:49.one of powers and one of resources. On the issue of powers we put in
:09:50. > :09:53.order when in government control orders which were much more
:09:54. > :09:59.effective. The Conservative Party weekend of that, this TPims regime
:10:00. > :10:02.that was hardly used and that was wrong. The second thing is crucially
:10:03. > :10:06.resources, Cressida Dick yesterday was right to make the point, the new
:10:07. > :10:09.commission of the Metropolitan Police. Simple reality the
:10:10. > :10:12.Conservative Party and Theresa May in particular will not face up to is
:10:13. > :10:20.that they have cut 20,000 police officers. We have 1000 fewer
:10:21. > :10:24.firearms officers than in 2010. Lenny Pidgeley up on the issue of
:10:25. > :10:26.powers because you refer to the last Labour government but we need to
:10:27. > :10:30.look at the current Labour leadership. How many people do my
:10:31. > :10:33.pieces of anti-terror legislation has Jeremy Corbyn supported? Since
:10:34. > :10:39.Jeremy Corbyn has been leader can I give two examples? No, can you
:10:40. > :10:43.answer the question on anti-terror legislation. Since 2000 which pieces
:10:44. > :10:46.of terror legislation has Jeremy Corbyn supported? I will answer, he
:10:47. > :10:50.has supported, Keir Starmer, myself and Andy Burnham together as the
:10:51. > :10:54.front bench team took through, in partnership with the government, the
:10:55. > :10:57.Investigatory Powers Bill, now the investigatory Powers act, giving to
:10:58. > :11:04.the police significantly greater powers to monitor terrorist
:11:05. > :11:08.suspects. The second example called the dark laws, we persuaded the
:11:09. > :11:11.government to change the law so that in future if somebody was arrested
:11:12. > :11:16.on suspicion of terrorism they didn't escape the country but
:11:17. > :11:19.instead their passport is confiscated and they are kept under
:11:20. > :11:23.surveillance. In terms of practical measures that is exactly the kind of
:11:24. > :11:27.thing we have done. Except Jeremy Corbyn has proudly voted against 17
:11:28. > :11:31.separate anti-terrorism laws over the course of his career. He called
:11:32. > :11:36.for Hamas to be removed from the list are prescribed terror groups
:11:37. > :11:39.and said Britain -- Brits shouldn't be banned from returning from
:11:40. > :11:43.fighting with Isis. When people look at that record they will say under
:11:44. > :11:47.Labour, and Corbyn nothing would have been done about Khuram Butt and
:11:48. > :11:51.in fact in 2014, Jack Dromey, he said in the House of Commons I have
:11:52. > :11:54.no support for Isas whatsoever and obviously that should apply to
:11:55. > :11:58.somebody who has committed crimes, but we must bear in mind expressing
:11:59. > :12:01.a political point of view is not in itself an offence. The commission of
:12:02. > :12:10.the criminal act is clearly a different matter but expressing a
:12:11. > :12:12.point of view, even unpalatable, is sometimes quite important in a
:12:13. > :12:14.democracy, so he wouldn't have locked up the people involved in
:12:15. > :12:16.this offence. I've given two practical examples of exactly what
:12:17. > :12:23.he has supported us doing. He has led in doing since being leader in
:12:24. > :12:27.2015. Crucially, this is what the public want right now, they want to
:12:28. > :12:29.see more police officers back on the beat. They want to see the
:12:30. > :12:33.rebuilding of neighbourhood policing, which Mark Rowley
:12:34. > :12:38.mentioned earlier on, thick Head of Counter Terrorism has made
:12:39. > :12:43.abundantly clear, is the eyes and ears of counterterrorism. They want
:12:44. > :12:48.to see more firearms officers in the Metropolitan Police and nationwide.
:12:49. > :12:53.I think what we have got to do is to focus right now on what is crucial,
:12:54. > :12:56.great national unity to oppose and defeat terrorism, but then it is
:12:57. > :13:01.about the powers necessary and resources to do it. Do you think
:13:02. > :13:06.your front bench team need to know the powers and recommendations that
:13:07. > :13:10.have been made by people within your team? The report commissioned by
:13:11. > :13:15.Sadiq Khan, Toby Harris did a report into how to keep London safe. It had
:13:16. > :13:19.a list of recommendations for the Metropolitan Police, and yet Diane
:13:20. > :13:22.Abbott, the Shadow Home Secretary, couldn't recall those
:13:23. > :13:24.recommendations. Do you think that inspires confidence? It was a good
:13:25. > :13:30.report ranging from operational measures... Why couldn't she
:13:31. > :13:33.remember it? Let me finish, on the other hand fully funding the
:13:34. > :13:37.Metropolitan Police and Ambulance Service in London. I didn't see the
:13:38. > :13:40.interview so I cannot comment on it. Let me say because that's the
:13:41. > :13:43.question I am asking, because Diane Abbott wants to be Home Secretary,
:13:44. > :13:47.she couldn't recall the report at all, it was done last year and was
:13:48. > :13:51.commissioned by the Labour Mayor of London Sadiq Khan. As I say, do you
:13:52. > :13:57.think her failure to recall that will inspire confidence and is that
:13:58. > :13:59.the reason she's not going to take part in the Woman's Hour debate
:14:00. > :14:04.today? Again, I can't comment about today because I understand Diane is
:14:05. > :14:08.ill. Forgive me if I say this, right now is not the time to engage in the
:14:09. > :14:11.wrong kind of party politics. Right now what we have got to focus on...
:14:12. > :14:17.Are you not engaging in party politics? No our nation is under
:14:18. > :14:20.threat from a uniquely awful brand of terrorism and we need a national
:14:21. > :14:26.unity to defeat that and crucially that does mean both powers and
:14:27. > :14:30.resources. Can I ask mark this question? Will you can see today
:14:31. > :14:35.what Theresa May refused to concede yesterday? We have seen 20,000 fewer
:14:36. > :14:41.police officers under her as Home Secretary and now Prime Minister,
:14:42. > :14:48.1000 fewer armed officers. It looks like Jack is bidding for your job. I
:14:49. > :14:53.read Toby Harris's report that Jo referred to about London's
:14:54. > :14:56.preparedness. We will come back to the issue of numbers in the second
:14:57. > :15:00.but answer the question first and then we will talk about numbers.
:15:01. > :15:23.Toby Harris is a Labour peer. He wrote this report last October, and
:15:24. > :15:24.he said over the five years that he had stopped being involved in London
:15:25. > :15:24.policing and writing that report, he said that the resources available
:15:25. > :15:25.meant that the response in London would have been better than that
:15:26. > :15:26.from five years previously. What that says to me, and looking at the
:15:27. > :15:29.professionalism and dedication of our police officers at the weekend,
:15:30. > :15:32.is the Met does have the resources. We have protected the
:15:33. > :15:39.counterterrorism budget. Jack, when you were on the home affairs team in
:15:40. > :15:43.the automotive that -- the autumn, the police said they could deal with
:15:44. > :15:48.a further 5%-10% cut in their budget. George Osborne who was the
:15:49. > :15:55.Chancellor made it clear that not only would we not cut the police
:15:56. > :15:58.budget but we would protect it and we have done since 2015 and we are
:15:59. > :16:00.increasing funding for armed officers and have also protected the
:16:01. > :16:05.counterterrorism budget and we are hiring more specialists to work in
:16:06. > :16:08.our excellent security services, and I know well as a Gloucestershire
:16:09. > :16:12.candidate about GCHQ at Cheltenham. Let Jack Dromey respond and also to
:16:13. > :16:15.Lord Carlisle's point, the former review of intelligence legislation,
:16:16. > :16:16.said it's not about more community police officers which is what the
:16:17. > :16:26.Labour Party is calling He is a distinguished review of
:16:27. > :16:33.that. Mark Rowley and then Commissioner Bernard Hogan Howe,
:16:34. > :16:38.going back to the 2015 Mark, on top of the 25% cut in your first five
:16:39. > :16:43.years of government, your government came within 36 hours of a further
:16:44. > :16:47.32% cut. One of the things which was key in changing the mind of the
:16:48. > :16:50.government, we work closely with the police to oppose that proposal, was
:16:51. > :16:56.a letter from Mark Rowley, to the Home Secretary, in which he said
:16:57. > :16:58.numbers were vital. Including neighbourhood policing because it is
:16:59. > :17:04.absolutely essential to intelligence. It is what the public
:17:05. > :17:08.wants to hear at the moment. They want to be reassured that there
:17:09. > :17:12.aren't going to be, at the very least, further cuts. What do you say
:17:13. > :17:17.to Sadiq Khan who says the force could lose as many as 12,000
:17:18. > :17:22.officers, which would reduce its strength by 40%, making it harder to
:17:23. > :17:26.tackle terrorism? I would look at our record since 2015. We've
:17:27. > :17:32.protected the police Budget. When the then Chancellor protected that.
:17:33. > :17:37.Not true. Andy Burnham was arguing that the police could manage with a
:17:38. > :17:41.five to 10% cut. George Osborne made it clear that we were protecting the
:17:42. > :17:45.police Budget. That was a decision by the then Chancellor, George
:17:46. > :17:50.Osborne, and the then Home Secretary, Theresa May. Not true.
:17:51. > :18:01.Hang on, Jack, please don't talk over. With increased the Budget for
:18:02. > :18:05.counterterrorism, which is... Not true... He has dealt with the events
:18:06. > :18:11.over the last couple of weeks. We've also invested the resources in our
:18:12. > :18:15.security services. Which is coming back to your question, which is
:18:16. > :18:18.monitoring these appalling individuals at making sure, as they
:18:19. > :18:22.have done over the last three years, they can continue falling the plot
:18:23. > :18:31.of those individuals which wish to do us harm. I have to finish. Sorry,
:18:32. > :18:35.Jack, we have run out of time. Jonathan Hartley joined us, as well.
:18:36. > :18:38.-- joins us. This morning the Conservatives have
:18:39. > :18:40.outlined proposals for boosting The party, which intends to take
:18:41. > :18:44.Britain out of the EU's single market and customs union,
:18:45. > :18:46.says Brexit will allow Britain to seek bilateral trade deals
:18:47. > :18:49.with "old friends and new allies" The plan, which is being outlined
:18:50. > :18:52.today by Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, would see the government
:18:53. > :18:55.establish a global network of nine While we don't yet know the regions
:18:56. > :19:03.where the commissioners will be based, the Foreign Secretary has
:19:04. > :19:06.previously talked of striking trade deals with the likes of the US,
:19:07. > :19:08.India and Australia. The nine commissioners will be part
:19:09. > :19:12.of a new Board of Trade to help increase exports and attract foreign
:19:13. > :19:14.investment in the UK. But not everybody is on board,
:19:15. > :19:16.with the Liberal Democrats saying a UK Board of Trade -
:19:17. > :19:19.an institution that has its roots in the 17th century -
:19:20. > :19:22.is an "outdated" idea "probably Meanwhile, Labour says it's focused
:19:23. > :19:26.on maintaining tariff-free access Speaking earlier today,
:19:27. > :19:40.the Foreign Secretary said. In the biggest popular
:19:41. > :19:44.mandate ever delivered in our history, the British people
:19:45. > :19:48.voted to leave the European Union, and we voted to take back control
:19:49. > :19:51.of our cash and our borders, and above all of our lawmaking
:19:52. > :19:53.system. To put the British people back
:19:54. > :19:56.in the driving seat of To give us the freedom once again
:19:57. > :20:01.to negotiate our own trade deals, to take back control of our economic
:20:02. > :20:03.destiny, and to build on the extraordinary traditions
:20:04. > :20:06.of this country as a global Britain, trading nation that looks not
:20:07. > :20:25.just our friends in Europe Jonathan Bartley is also here. Post
:20:26. > :20:30.Brexit the Greens must want the UK to make the most of all of the
:20:31. > :20:33.economic opportunities available. I presume you agree with much of what
:20:34. > :20:38.Boris Johnson has said. The obvious way to make the most of those
:20:39. > :20:44.economic benefit is to stay in the single market. No-brainer. But if we
:20:45. > :20:47.are going to go down that route, I think we need to watch out for the
:20:48. > :20:54.very weak bargaining position we will put ourselves in. Why is it
:20:55. > :20:57.weak? Seeing Theresa May go cap in hand to Donald Trump. Rolling over
:20:58. > :21:02.on raising climate change with the president on the phone after the
:21:03. > :21:06.Paris agreement. She seems to be unable to carry any favour with the
:21:07. > :21:10.president. We will be in a weak situation, going to the President,
:21:11. > :21:14.what will that mean? Probably Trump will come to us and say you can have
:21:15. > :21:20.a particular style of agreement which will have investor states,
:21:21. > :21:24.which will open up our public services to potential competition
:21:25. > :21:27.from American corporations. We will have a privatisation of our health
:21:28. > :21:31.service and other public services. That is worrying. Except the
:21:32. > :21:36.government says it isn't on the table, terms of opening up to's
:21:37. > :21:41.public services. What is on the table? This idea of creating nine
:21:42. > :21:45.new commissioner jobs. This may prove to be lovely in the future
:21:46. > :21:50.when Brexit is being negotiated. But it is nothing more than window
:21:51. > :21:54.dressing, isn't it? It's important. The important thing about the rest
:21:55. > :21:56.of the world outside the EU, that is where the world is growing fastest
:21:57. > :22:00.in where we need to take advantage of those trade opportunities. Why it
:22:01. > :22:06.is important comes back to the discussion we just had. If you want
:22:07. > :22:09.to have good national security, strong defences, strong policing,
:22:10. > :22:13.you have got to have a strong economy in order to pay for all of
:22:14. > :22:17.these things. As we leave the European Union, which was voted for
:22:18. > :22:20.by the public strongly last year as the Foreign Secretary said, we need
:22:21. > :22:24.to make the most of both the could deal with the EU, and those bricks
:22:25. > :22:28.that negotiations will start 11 days after the election, which is why we
:22:29. > :22:33.need a strong government led by Theresa May to land that the deal.
:22:34. > :22:37.-- and those Brexit negotiations. We need to make opportunities from
:22:38. > :22:41.other parts of the world. Let's talk about those. Jonathan Bartley raises
:22:42. > :22:48.the issue of Theresa May being week in effect in her dealings with Tom
:22:49. > :22:54.-- dealings with Trump, for example? Will private sector involvement in
:22:55. > :22:58.public services happen here? The Prime Minister was asked this
:22:59. > :23:04.question. She made it clear that our NHS is not for sale. She was not
:23:05. > :23:09.weak. I was listening to Jonathan. She had a phone call with President
:23:10. > :23:13.Trump last week. She made it clear she was disappointed by his decision
:23:14. > :23:17.about the Paris climate change accord. She made it clear that
:23:18. > :23:20.wasn't our policy. She will do her best to try and persuade the
:23:21. > :23:26.Americans to come back to the table. Let's ask Jonathan Bartley. That was
:23:27. > :23:30.one of his campaign promises he was delivering. The PM made it clear we
:23:31. > :23:35.didn't support it. She made it clear, what more could she do? It
:23:36. > :23:39.was a campaign policy. He is doing something many presidents fail to
:23:40. > :23:42.do, keep their promises. When she went to see Trump, marched
:23:43. > :23:49.hand-in-hand with him, she should have been raising this to the top.
:23:50. > :23:53.And also to express a big disappointment because this is the
:23:54. > :23:57.challenge coming on in the next 20 to 30 years. There won't be any
:23:58. > :24:04.trade agreement if we don't have some change to climate -- if we
:24:05. > :24:09.don't have some sort of commitment to climate change. What about the
:24:10. > :24:13.tweets from Donald Trump to Sadiq Khan over the terrorist attack, and
:24:14. > :24:18.how it has been dealt with subsequently? Should Theresa May be
:24:19. > :24:25.on the phone to him, telling him to keep out of Britain's affairs?
:24:26. > :24:29.First, the PM has made sure the government has been working with the
:24:30. > :24:35.Mayor Blunden at the Met police. The Prime Minister has more than enough
:24:36. > :24:41.to do keeping Britain safe. -- of the Mayor of London and the
:24:42. > :24:46.Metropolitan Police. She has the priorities straight. She's focusing
:24:47. > :24:49.on keeping Britain say. And if she is successful getting re-elected,
:24:50. > :24:55.getting down to the Brexit negotiations, to make a success of
:24:56. > :24:58.them. Don't you think this is a bigoted Islamophobic president, who
:24:59. > :25:05.would single out Sadiq Khan, but would not go over Andy Burnham in
:25:06. > :25:08.Manchester? If we are going to be able to influence the American
:25:09. > :25:12.government. That's what we want to do. We want to maintain our strong
:25:13. > :25:15.position in Nato. And persuade them to do the right thing. I don't think
:25:16. > :25:20.throwing insults about is the right thing. That is not what I was doing.
:25:21. > :25:23.The most sensible thing is that the PM to have a constructive
:25:24. > :25:26.conversation. Make it clear she didn't agree with his decision on
:25:27. > :25:30.the Paris climate change are caught. But continue having that I look to
:25:31. > :25:37.persuade the American government to come back to the table. -- on the
:25:38. > :25:39.Paris climate change accord. Let's move on to one of the other
:25:40. > :25:45.countries in the world you perhaps would want to do a trade deal with
:25:46. > :25:49.after Brexit. Particularly India. There is a potential problem there,
:25:50. > :25:53.as well, because the Indians made it clear they would like more visas for
:25:54. > :25:58.Indian workers as part of a trade deal, for example. We know Theresa
:25:59. > :26:02.May is committed, if the Tories win the election, to reducing net
:26:03. > :26:07.migration to tens of thousands. The Australians have said the same. How
:26:08. > :26:11.are you going to manage that? Visas are always part of a conversation
:26:12. > :26:15.with trade deals. We already have a large number of Indian students. But
:26:16. > :26:21.they want more. We can have that discussion. Our net migration target
:26:22. > :26:26.is a net migration target India is a very large market. I would expect,
:26:27. > :26:29.if we were to conclude trade negotiations, you might well see
:26:30. > :26:35.Indians coming to Britain, but you would also see big economic
:26:36. > :26:38.opportunities for British companies working in India, and opportunities
:26:39. > :26:43.for British business people actually going to work in India. In their
:26:44. > :26:49.businesses. You have these negotiations. You will talk about
:26:50. > :26:52.trade opportunities, migration, our fabulous offer for our excellent
:26:53. > :26:56.university sector, which is second to none in the world, which the
:26:57. > :27:02.government has always been supportive of. It seems to be a
:27:03. > :27:05.strong global offer. There will have to be compromised in any negotiation
:27:06. > :27:10.you have. The Green party manifesto says we will be actively campaigning
:27:11. > :27:12.to safeguard jobs, uphold basic rights and put environment
:27:13. > :27:15.protection at the heart of any future trade deals. A rather
:27:16. > :27:22.protectionist approach, isn't it? Is it going to be practical when
:27:23. > :27:26.compromises need to be made? Compromises are important. Just
:27:27. > :27:29.going back to that point... Answer the question about the manifesto. We
:27:30. > :27:34.have already talked about Sadiq Khan. Until Donald Trump apologises
:27:35. > :27:37.to Sadiq Khan he shouldn't be allowed a state visit here. The
:27:38. > :27:44.compromises this government are making, the example exporting arms
:27:45. > :27:48.to Saudi Arabia, a huge export market, two thirds of our arms go to
:27:49. > :27:53.the Middle East. Is this the kind of trade we want in the future? Is this
:27:54. > :27:56.the leadership we will show the world? We shouldn't be making this
:27:57. > :28:00.compromise. Compromises should be made, but not that kind. You
:28:01. > :28:08.comfortable continuing trade relations with Saudi Arabia? Yes.
:28:09. > :28:11.Saudi Arabia is a partner in combating extremism. Our
:28:12. > :28:15.intelligence services receive valuable information from the Saudis
:28:16. > :28:21.which enables us to take steps to help keep Britain safe, which I
:28:22. > :28:24.think is important. Why has a report into funding streams, commissioned
:28:25. > :28:27.by David Cameron as part of an agreement with the Lib Dems during
:28:28. > :28:33.the coalition government, why hasn't it been published yet? I don't know.
:28:34. > :28:39.I a backbench member. I haven't seen a report. Do you think it has been
:28:40. > :28:42.suppressed? I don't think so, I genuinely don't know. I don't know
:28:43. > :28:46.what is in the report and I don't know what is in it. Do you think it
:28:47. > :28:48.should be published? Hang on, I'm going to say thank you and goodbye.
:28:49. > :28:50.Thanks very much. The question for today is who have
:28:51. > :28:55.society magazine, Tatler, named as their poshest candidate
:28:56. > :28:57.to be Prime Minister? Is it a) Theresa May,
:28:58. > :29:00.b) Tim Farron, c) Jeremy Corbyn, At the end of the show Jonathan
:29:01. > :29:05.will give us the correct answer. Let's get a round-up
:29:06. > :29:18.of all the other campaign Paul Nuttall, the Ukip leader, has
:29:19. > :29:22.just finished giving a major speech in central London. I'm told it was
:29:23. > :29:27.his final round of the campaign. He said Ukip ad-libbed the agenda on
:29:28. > :29:31.immigration and Brexit. He also said there were 200 seats Ukip were not
:29:32. > :29:35.contesting for in this election. He said of those only a handful would
:29:36. > :29:39.be the ones where he would suggest people vote for the Labour Party.
:29:40. > :29:40.One and a half days until polling day, he is not the only one out on
:29:41. > :29:42.the campaign trail... Nick Clegg has also been giving
:29:43. > :29:45.a speech this morning, describing Brexit talks as being
:29:46. > :29:47.a bit like a circus. Negotiating Brexit is going
:29:48. > :29:52.to be a tightrope act. The Lib Dem leader,
:29:53. > :29:54.meanwhile, was on a Question Time special last night talking
:29:55. > :29:58.about farming, sorry, security. What we have at the
:29:59. > :30:00.moment, if you like, is an ever widening haystack
:30:01. > :30:04.and we're looking for a needle. And the answer is not
:30:05. > :30:07.put more hay into the haystack, it is to put more magnets
:30:08. > :30:10.around the haystack we can actually find what's in there
:30:11. > :30:13.in the first place. The SNP's leader Nicola Sturgeon,
:30:14. > :30:15.who prepared for the same programme with a spot of aerobics,
:30:16. > :30:18.was grilled on the timing of a I'm absolutely not proposing it now,
:30:19. > :30:28.I accept that point. At the end of the process
:30:29. > :30:32.when we know the terms of Brexit. Well, I don't know that because I'm
:30:33. > :30:37.not in charge of the process. # You'll get accountability #
:30:38. > :30:43.With Conservative delivery.# And is this the greatest election
:30:44. > :30:45.video of the campaign? No, probably not, because apparently
:30:46. > :30:49.Greg Knight does this Another Tory who is not happy
:30:50. > :30:57.with the sound of music in her patch, the Christian
:30:58. > :30:58.candidate Maria Caulfield, has accused her opponents
:30:59. > :31:00.of being very offensive and preaching hate by dressing up
:31:01. > :31:03.as nuns and singing, "How do you solve
:31:04. > :31:05.a problem like Maria?" The secretive graffiti artist came
:31:06. > :31:16.up with a rather off the wall idea of offering free prints of his work
:31:17. > :31:19.to people who could prove The only problems, the police
:31:20. > :31:23.wondered if it might be bribery and it's an offence to take a photo
:31:24. > :31:26.of your ballot paper. Like many of his most popular works,
:31:27. > :31:29.the idea has been taken down. Presumably to be sold
:31:30. > :31:35.for millions at auction. There is just one campaign round-up
:31:36. > :31:39.to go. We will be back tomorrow. Let's talk now to the Kevin Maguire
:31:40. > :31:43.of the Mirror, and Rosa Prince, who has written a biography
:31:44. > :31:57.of Theresa May. Please hold onto that umbrella.
:31:58. > :32:04.Rosa, this was supposed to be the Brexit election and it has ended up
:32:05. > :32:07.being the security -- about security because of the dreadful attacks in
:32:08. > :32:11.Manchester and London. What effect has that had on the campaigns? It
:32:12. > :32:15.has had a huge impact on Theresa May. This was supposed to be her
:32:16. > :32:19.gliding through to victory. She called the election, thinking it
:32:20. > :32:22.would give her the mandate to negotiate in Brussels. Instead it
:32:23. > :32:27.has become about her leadership. She is under pressure about her record
:32:28. > :32:30.as Home Secretary, which she has never had to defend. She has never
:32:31. > :32:33.actually been at the forefront of an election campaign before. I think
:32:34. > :32:38.she's finding it hard when the pressure is on. Everything has not
:32:39. > :32:41.gone her way. What I learnt when I wrote the book about her, although
:32:42. > :32:45.she's good at holding it together when things are going well, she get
:32:46. > :32:50.rattled when she feels like she isn't in control. She likes to be in
:32:51. > :32:54.charge, in control, and I think she is suffering. What is going to
:32:55. > :33:00.happen, Kevin, in these final days? happen in the final days to polling
:33:01. > :33:04.day? It's getting even noisier, each side will go for the other. We have
:33:05. > :33:07.seen the attacks stepping up over security on Labour but in some ways
:33:08. > :33:10.they are backfiring because the issue keeps coming back of the
:33:11. > :33:17.20,000 fewer police officers, more than 1000 fewer firearms officers,
:33:18. > :33:21.15,000 other staff in the police force, and community officers, they
:33:22. > :33:25.are not there now. It is not such a strong card for the Conservatives as
:33:26. > :33:29.they thought in the past. Labour's trying to keep pushing the fact that
:33:30. > :33:35.austerity has run down public services and wants people to vote
:33:36. > :33:44.for change. Somehow Labour has got to say if you want the change you
:33:45. > :34:02.can trust in our change. Theresa May has talked a lot about strong and
:34:03. > :34:03.stable leadership. Polling was pretty dreadful for Jeremy Corbyn at
:34:04. > :34:04.the start of the campaign. The close scrutiny of an election campaign can
:34:05. > :34:06.shine an unflattering light on the key players, count-out? That's
:34:07. > :34:08.right. When she was elected everyone around her seemed to be falling
:34:09. > :34:10.apart and she seemed like the only grown up there. She was anointed
:34:11. > :34:13.overnight and suddenly became Prime Minister without really being tested
:34:14. > :34:17.or challenged in the way most leaders are through a leadership
:34:18. > :34:20.contest. And then I think most people would say she had a pretty
:34:21. > :34:25.good first ten months, she seemed in charge and quite solid, and there
:34:26. > :34:30.was no reason to believe that that would change, particularly when she
:34:31. > :34:32.felt she was going up against Jeremy Corbyn who Conservative strategists,
:34:33. > :34:36.presumably like most commentators felt, was one of the weaker
:34:37. > :34:41.candidates Labour had put forward at a general election. It didn't quite
:34:42. > :34:47.turn out like that. This election has put a pressure on Theresa May
:34:48. > :34:49.and she hasn't coped with it that well, on the other hand Jeremy
:34:50. > :34:52.Corbyn's two years of leadership have seen him often put under
:34:53. > :34:57.pressure and perhaps he has got used to it and has stood up to it well.
:34:58. > :35:01.Or is it, Kevin Maguire, that Jeremy Corbyn is seen on the campaign trail
:35:02. > :35:07.in areas which are very strong for Labour already? He is appealing to
:35:08. > :35:12.young people, who may not turn out to vote in terms of their track
:35:13. > :35:16.record in the past. And he is shoring up Labour's support, piling
:35:17. > :35:18.up the votes in seats they have already got, which doesn't mean he's
:35:19. > :35:24.going to get any closer to winning on June the 9th. He didn't go to
:35:25. > :35:29.strong Labour areas such as the north-east of England, if he didn't
:35:30. > :35:32.go there he would be accused of neglecting them and taking them for
:35:33. > :35:35.granted which is why he has to go there and that's why Theresa May
:35:36. > :35:39.goes to conservative areas. She has been in the north-west, she's been
:35:40. > :35:42.in areas you wouldn't normally see a Conservative leader, whereas Jeremy
:35:43. > :35:46.Corbyn has not been too marginal seats. I reckon in every general
:35:47. > :35:50.election the Conservative leader has gone to the north-west at some time.
:35:51. > :35:52.You are quite right, though, that Jeremy Corbyn is relying on young
:35:53. > :36:05.people to come out and vote for the elderly but neglect
:36:06. > :36:10.the young. He's relying on them turning out. It may be a gamble that
:36:11. > :36:14.fails but he's giving it a go. The story of this campaign, whatever the
:36:15. > :36:19.result on Thursday, when we find out on Friday whoever is in Downing
:36:20. > :36:21.Street, is during the campaign people have seen Jeremy Corbyn
:36:22. > :36:25.uncut, not the caricature often presented to them, and more people
:36:26. > :36:29.have liked him and he has risen, she has fallen, she looks frazzled, and
:36:30. > :37:11.it's her leadership that is shot now. Both of you grab some shelter,
:37:12. > :37:39.get out of the rain and enjoy the last few
:37:40. > :37:48.For some people Brexit and immigration are key election issues.
:37:49. > :37:51.Ukip has achieved what they wanted. I'm now turning to is conservative.
:37:52. > :37:58.I want to be proud of my country again. -- I'm now turning to the
:37:59. > :38:02.Conservatives. I've always voted for Labour. The only do I like his
:38:03. > :38:06.Chelsea football club. There has been a Labour MP representing this
:38:07. > :38:15.area for about 18 years. But the Conservatives claim came a close
:38:16. > :38:19.second last time. -- the Conservatives came a close second
:38:20. > :38:23.last time. I know it is a tough fight. Had he been critical of
:38:24. > :38:26.Jeremy Corbyn in the past? You called for his resignation after the
:38:27. > :38:32.EU referendum result. Why should people vote for you, and therefore
:38:33. > :38:35.Jeremy Corbyn as a potential Prime Minister? Because I am a candidate
:38:36. > :38:41.in Wrexham. I've been here for 16 years. There have been five leaders
:38:42. > :38:44.of both the Conservative and Labour Party in that time. It is about who
:38:45. > :38:48.represents Wrexham in parliament The Conservative
:38:49. > :38:50.candidate's day job, he's a window cleaner, and he's
:38:51. > :38:53.hoping to wipe away the Labour A couple of weeks
:38:54. > :38:56.ago he welcomed the Prime Minister to Wrexham to launch
:38:57. > :39:00.the Welsh Conservative manifesto. But the event was overshadowed by
:39:01. > :39:02.Theresa May announcing amendments to It could have been anywhere
:39:03. > :39:11.in Wales, she chose Wrexham. We've had a lot of positive
:39:12. > :39:16.feedback on that. And as you say, on the day
:39:17. > :39:19.there was talks of U-turns She didn't have to put that
:39:20. > :39:24.in the manifesto, if you like, but she put it there to actually
:39:25. > :39:27.tell people that we are addressing the serious issues
:39:28. > :39:28.facing this country. Other parties are determined
:39:29. > :39:31.for this not to be just a two-horse race between
:39:32. > :39:33.the Conservatives and Labour. We're just coming out of a very
:39:34. > :39:36.successful local council election where we've gained seats,
:39:37. > :39:41.we've taken seats off Labour and when we are knocking on doors
:39:42. > :39:42.talking to people locally they are telling us they are looking
:39:43. > :39:43.for an alternative. They are very disillusioned
:39:44. > :39:45.with the Labour Party, they are worried about what another
:39:46. > :39:47.Tory government means I am a very committed Remainer
:39:48. > :39:51.and I will remain a Remainer, and so it's very important to me
:39:52. > :39:54.that I get the message across that I think a hard Brexit
:39:55. > :40:00.will cause untold damage. Ukip came third in the 2015 general
:40:01. > :40:04.election here with 5000 votes. But they're not fielding
:40:05. > :40:09.a candidate this time round. Where their vote goes could play
:40:10. > :40:14.a key role in the outcome here. We've been joined now from Cardiff
:40:15. > :40:27.by our Political Editor Nick, the big backdrop has been the
:40:28. > :40:31.possibility of significant Tory gains in Wales. How is that playing
:40:32. > :40:37.out? That has been the case and we have seen a reflection of it today.
:40:38. > :40:40.Theresa May is included South, constituency held by Labour, one of
:40:41. > :40:44.the target seats for Conservatives in Wales. She has been to Wales
:40:45. > :40:49.three times in the campaign, Wrexham, where you have heard from,
:40:50. > :40:54.and also another target seat, so it has been a very offensive strategy
:40:55. > :40:58.and campaign by the Conservatives in Wales, and I think broadly that has
:40:59. > :41:04.certainly the mindset at the start of the campaign, the view of the
:41:05. > :41:08.Leave voting Wales, the chunky Ukip vote, all playing potentially well
:41:09. > :41:13.for the Conservatives in terms of the policy side of things. They came
:41:14. > :41:18.out with a big crowd pleasing announcement to talk about
:41:19. > :41:21.abolishing as a manifesto commitment the Severn tolls, the other parties
:41:22. > :41:26.said they were in on that game but the Tories said they were the ones
:41:27. > :41:31.who have done this and they talked about replacing EU aid for
:41:32. > :41:34.economically deprived communities. I have to say, I spoke to a senior
:41:35. > :41:38.Welsh Conservative this morning and the level of confidence that we may
:41:39. > :41:40.have seen a few weeks ago isn't quite there as you would expect in
:41:41. > :41:45.the light of some of the polling evidence we have seen recently. It
:41:46. > :41:50.seems Labour's response in Wales has been to keep its distance from
:41:51. > :41:52.Jeremy Corbyn and run a slightly more independent campaign. That's
:41:53. > :41:55.right, it has or must been Machynlleth no-fly zone for Jeremy
:41:56. > :42:06.Corbyn in Wales. We did see him at the start a few days after the snap
:42:07. > :42:10.election was called. Particularly in the context of the infighting we
:42:11. > :42:15.have seen within Labour at the UK level, they have stressed the Welsh
:42:16. > :42:18.Labour element and they did it reasonably successfully in the
:42:19. > :42:21.assembly campaign a year ago and up to a point, even though there were
:42:22. > :42:25.some big scouts they lost in the council elections a few weeks ago,
:42:26. > :42:30.again you could argue reasonably successful. But they have done that
:42:31. > :42:35.in a general election. To be frank, with all been scratching our heads
:42:36. > :42:39.thinking how on earth do you do that in Westminster campaign? The man who
:42:40. > :42:43.has fronted Welsh Labour's campaign in Wales has been Carwyn Jones, he
:42:44. > :42:51.is not a candidate, he is an Assembly Member. In a sense he has
:42:52. > :42:55.no skin the game in this and yet he has been the one leading the
:42:56. > :43:05.campaign. From their perspective they feel it gives a sense of
:43:06. > :43:11.differentiation in Welsh identity, which has worked for them in the
:43:12. > :43:15.past. The big question is whether it can work in a general election
:43:16. > :43:17.context. Nick Servini, thank you. Let's return to the Greens because
:43:18. > :43:17.when Caroline Lucas was last on the programme inmates were discussed
:43:18. > :43:18.with her a ?250,000 donation the party was offered and the decision
:43:19. > :43:21.for the green candidate not to stand in the Park by-election.
:43:22. > :43:25.Andrew asked Caroline Lucas if she knew the name
:43:26. > :43:27.of the proposed donor - let's just have a look
:43:28. > :43:39.I know of the incident you are talking about but it happened after
:43:40. > :43:40.the decision had already been taken to stand down and the money was
:43:41. > :43:45.So any kind of implication that we were standing down in order
:43:46. > :43:48.for money is absolutely wrong, categorically wrong.
:43:49. > :43:51.It happened after the decision was taken and the
:43:52. > :43:59.I didn't speak to them directly but that is my understanding.
:44:00. > :44:00.As joint leader of the party if somebody
:44:01. > :44:00.offers your party ?250,000 you don't know who it is?
:44:01. > :44:01.I've heard the name but the point was it went through our
:44:02. > :44:01.ethical checks, it didn't pass our ethical checks, the money was not
:44:02. > :44:09.The candidate had already decided to stand aside, as
:44:10. > :44:11.indeed the candidate has decided again because essentially what we
:44:12. > :44:13.had in the Richmond by-election was the chance to oppose
:44:14. > :44:19.Zac Goldsmith, who had been running a very racist
:44:20. > :44:21.campaign in London and we wanted to try
:44:22. > :44:22.to get somebody in there who was
:44:23. > :44:34.Caroline Lucas. Jonathan Bartley, as you heard, your colleague was very
:44:35. > :44:37.firm in saying that the candidate for the by-election had already
:44:38. > :44:43.decided not to stand. That's correct, isn't it? That's correct.
:44:44. > :44:47.But the timing looks slightly more suspect because you said there would
:44:48. > :44:50.be a Green Party report into the incident published after the general
:44:51. > :44:54.election and we have been given a copy of that report and in the
:44:55. > :44:57.timeline of events it says your candidate withdrew on the very same
:44:58. > :45:02.day the donation was offered which was the 1st of November 2016, so she
:45:03. > :45:06.literally stood down just hours before you got the offer of the
:45:07. > :45:13.donation? I'm not quite sure about the report, this report was produced
:45:14. > :45:17.five or six weeks ago and leaked onto Guido and that report has been
:45:18. > :45:21.categorically rubbished. I'm not sure which report you are talking
:45:22. > :45:26.about will stop on the same day the candidate said she would not stand.
:45:27. > :45:33.She said she would withdraw from the selection, also the same day that
:45:34. > :45:44.this link report said the person contacting you offering ?250,000
:45:45. > :45:46.made that offer. I can tell you categorically that when I found out
:45:47. > :45:52.about the offer I know the candidate had already stood down. Do you know
:45:53. > :45:56.the name? You don't know the proposed donor? I don't know. The
:45:57. > :45:59.decision was made before the donation was refused. We have checks
:46:00. > :46:02.and balances within the party, there is a committee who makes the
:46:03. > :46:07.decisions, it's not within the gift of the leaders to accept or reject a
:46:08. > :46:12.donation and there is no link. The nominations to be the Green party
:46:13. > :46:18.candidate closed the day before you offer the money. So she decided to
:46:19. > :46:22.stand one they had the next day she decided to withdraw that
:46:23. > :46:25.application. That is a bit coincidental, isn't it? Why put your
:46:26. > :46:30.name forward and change your mind the next day? I know her very well
:46:31. > :46:34.and she was the only person going forward, she was the natural person
:46:35. > :46:38.to be the candidate. Why did she change her mind in 24 hours? She
:46:39. > :46:42.didn't, she made the decision quite a time before, she been thinking
:46:43. > :46:45.about it for two or three or four weeks before because I'd have those
:46:46. > :46:48.conversations with her, she was working through it and I was trying
:46:49. > :46:54.to support her. The idea of a progressive Alliance is very strong.
:46:55. > :46:57.You are saying this is not an accurate turn of events but if it is
:46:58. > :47:01.it looks like sheep put her name forward, with it the next day within
:47:02. > :47:06.hours of the offer of a donation. I can only tell you why she did it. I
:47:07. > :47:10.can only take her word for it. I cannot see why you would carry on
:47:11. > :47:13.pushing this line when it is absolutely clear she made the
:47:14. > :47:17.decision days before and there is no link to the donation which we
:47:18. > :47:20.refused. It is your report but it's not as clear as you would think.
:47:21. > :47:22.Now it's time for the latest in our series of interviews
:47:23. > :47:25.with the smaller parties standing in the general election on Thursday.
:47:26. > :47:27.Established in 2006, the Animal Welfare Party is striving
:47:28. > :47:29.to create a fairer society in which the needs
:47:30. > :47:31.of people, animals and the environment are balanced.
:47:32. > :47:33.They oppose any repeal of the fox hunting ban,
:47:34. > :47:37.They want to phase out animal experimentation with binding
:47:38. > :47:39.targets for reduction, combined with proper
:47:40. > :47:42.They're promoting plant-based diets in order to improve human health,
:47:43. > :47:44.and to protect the environment and global food security.
:47:45. > :47:47.They propose ending live animal export, and reducing journey times
:47:48. > :47:49.for animals travelling to slaughter within the UK And they want clear
:47:50. > :47:53.labelling of products so consumers can make informed choices in line
:47:54. > :47:55.with their own principles on the environment,
:47:56. > :48:08.And now we're joined by the leader of the Animal Welfare
:48:09. > :48:23.Welcome. Given the unfortunate circumstances with Ireland, the
:48:24. > :48:26.current terrorism threats come immigration issues, social problems
:48:27. > :48:32.in the UK, do we have the resources to focus on animal welfare in the
:48:33. > :48:37.way you have outlined? -- given the unfortunate circumstances we are in.
:48:38. > :48:41.We absolutely do. One of the key policies is about promoting healthy
:48:42. > :48:45.plant -based diet. We say that is better for human health, and the
:48:46. > :48:49.environment, and animal welfare. When we look at the environmental
:48:50. > :48:53.impacts of a diet based highly on animal products, we cannot sustain
:48:54. > :48:58.that long-term. We cannot sustain that is the world population is
:48:59. > :49:05.growing from 7 billion, as it is now, and it is expected to be up to
:49:06. > :49:09.10 billion in 2050. What is the difference between some of the
:49:10. > :49:13.policies you are suggesting and what the Green party are suggesting? Why
:49:14. > :49:16.don't you lobby the Green party more to support the things you are
:49:17. > :49:20.suggesting? Absolutely. I'm so delighted to read the manifesto at
:49:21. > :49:23.the Green party. They produced a separate manifesto on animal
:49:24. > :49:29.welfare. What is the point of your party? I do identify with in that
:49:30. > :49:33.manifesto some of the policies that were in our 2050 manifesto. I don't
:49:34. > :49:37.know if that is a coincidence. I would say that since we began ten
:49:38. > :49:41.years ago we called ourselves a testimonial party. That means we
:49:42. > :49:47.speak to the highest possible policies they can be the animal
:49:48. > :49:50.welfare. We make them available to all parties. We are happy when we
:49:51. > :49:54.see them being picked up by other parties. Have you read Vanessa's
:49:55. > :49:59.manifesto and suggestions and brought them into yours? I don't
:50:00. > :50:02.write the manifesto. I haven't read it, with respect. I'm sure they are
:50:03. > :50:07.amazing. We produce our own animal welfare manifesto. I think there is
:50:08. > :50:13.a role, as you say, to work with other parties like the Women's
:50:14. > :50:16.Equality Party, we have been working with them. We want more choice in
:50:17. > :50:20.our electoral system. This is another case for why we should be
:50:21. > :50:24.looking to reform the system, have a fairer system, because if people
:50:25. > :50:30.want to put animal welfare on the agenda they can vote for us or your
:50:31. > :50:36.party. Let's talk about the repeal of the fox hunt ban. What are the
:50:37. > :50:40.thoughts about Theresa May giving MPs a vote on it? I think it is
:50:41. > :50:43.appalling. Professor Andrew Knight, a professor of animal welfare, an
:50:44. > :50:48.expert in this field, we've been looking at this issue, and there is
:50:49. > :50:54.absolutely no evidence for bringing back fox hunting and saying this is
:50:55. > :50:59.in some way an acceptable act to deal with the fox population. Which,
:51:00. > :51:03.incidentally, we don't need to deal with because fox populations are
:51:04. > :51:08.self managing. You talked about diet, being healthy, a growing
:51:09. > :51:11.population, would you prefer if everybody was a vegetarian? We don't
:51:12. > :51:16.make statements like that. We call for a 50% reduction in meat
:51:17. > :51:19.consumption from our current levels. We say that is necessary for the
:51:20. > :51:26.future survival of the planet. We have a human population of come here
:51:27. > :51:30.in the UK, of 65 million. But we are killing 1 billion animals per year.
:51:31. > :51:34.When we look at how we feed those. It is a staggering statistic. 50% of
:51:35. > :51:41.all of the corn we are growing as being fed to animals. 50% of all the
:51:42. > :51:44.water used in the world is for animal farming. Yet we have people
:51:45. > :51:45.who are starving, people who don't have clean water to drink. Thanks
:51:46. > :51:48.very much. One of the Green Party's big ideas
:51:49. > :51:51.is a plan to move to a standard four-day working week -
:51:52. > :51:54.and a three-day weekend. While workers might cheer at that
:51:55. > :51:56.prospect, would the country's businesses and public services be
:51:57. > :51:58.able to cope? Adam's been putting the idea
:51:59. > :52:02.to the test, in Bristol. We're in the constituency
:52:03. > :52:04.of Bristol West which is one of the Greens' top target seats
:52:05. > :52:07.and we're testing one of their key policies,
:52:08. > :52:09.the introduction of a three-day So, do people think it's
:52:10. > :52:21.a good idea or a bad idea? Because more time for
:52:22. > :52:27.students to get drunk. Well, let's hope no one watches this
:52:28. > :52:35.on national television. I would love to have a three-day
:52:36. > :52:41.weekend but I'm thinking, does that mean a lot of my money's
:52:42. > :52:44.going to get cut because of it? Exactly, you know, money's money
:52:45. > :52:49.at the end of the day. Or it's going to be called
:52:50. > :52:58.American sweetheart. Wouldn't you like
:52:59. > :53:00.an extra day to be an artist rather than
:53:01. > :53:02.being at the office? How would you feel about having one
:53:03. > :53:06.less day of work a week? Can you cycle past
:53:07. > :53:21.and get it in as you No, don't fall off, don't
:53:22. > :53:26.fall off, I'll do it. You look pretty relaxed
:53:27. > :53:32.as it is to be fair. Mental health is very
:53:33. > :53:34.important and, you know, more relaxing is what we
:53:35. > :53:37.all need, I think. I'd have to have my
:53:38. > :53:41.husband home to much. Total load of bloody rubbish
:53:42. > :53:47.because if you don't work you're not You don't contribute to the economy
:53:48. > :53:52.the country's going to go bust. You are walking around
:53:53. > :53:53.the town centre A three-day weekend,
:53:54. > :53:57.good idea or a bad idea? What would you do
:53:58. > :54:00.with your extra freedom? Do you think that's
:54:01. > :54:14.the Green party's This is my boss and I work six days
:54:15. > :54:18.for him at the moment. You're going to work
:54:19. > :54:22.seven days a week? It would be fun but it's
:54:23. > :54:36.just not practical. Well, there we go, a big majority
:54:37. > :54:55.think an extra long weekend would be Is that a big enough ice cream?
:54:56. > :55:02.Explain how your policy would work. Would we all have to take a pay cut?
:55:03. > :55:07.Four-day working week. We were flagging it up. We have to start
:55:08. > :55:10.thinking on these terms. 100 years ago, Henry Ford said let's have a
:55:11. > :55:17.five-day working week, everybody said you can't, but that is now the
:55:18. > :55:23.standard. There is this idea of automation where there will be large
:55:24. > :55:26.amount of job losses. We get stressed. We work some of the
:55:27. > :55:30.longest hours in Europe. We take some of the longest six pay which is
:55:31. > :55:35.a huge burden on the NHS and welfare. Would people's wages be
:55:36. > :55:39.cut? We would have something phased in. We need to have a conversation
:55:40. > :55:41.about it. People's wages shouldn't be cut. Businesses would take a
:55:42. > :55:43.conversation about it. People's wages shouldn't be cut. Businesses
:55:44. > :55:49.would take the hit? Not necessarily because government can do things.
:55:50. > :55:54.You can provide contributions to make it easier for companies that
:55:55. > :55:59.want to employ more workers at a more productive rate. It works for
:56:00. > :56:02.businesses. We know that. They are more productive. Flexible and
:56:03. > :56:06.part-time work is different. A lot of people say that even if they have
:56:07. > :56:11.a part-time job you end up working five days, but just working them in
:56:12. > :56:15.four, you would be more stressed. I don't think so. Some people in the
:56:16. > :56:19.package saying if you are unemployed you don't contribute. But there is a
:56:20. > :56:27.huge unpaid economy of, for example, care, which is important realise. If
:56:28. > :56:31.we look at France. The issue of the 35 hour working week. It has been
:56:32. > :56:35.seen as detrimental to the economy. I don't know about the state of
:56:36. > :56:39.people's mental health. But that is what Emmanuel Macron wants to get
:56:40. > :56:43.rid of it. We need to learn from the examples of France. We are talking
:56:44. > :56:48.about something different, something to be phased in over time. Something
:56:49. > :56:50.we would do as a matter of consideration, rather than
:56:51. > :56:55.introducing it overnight, which is what the French did. You won't ever
:56:56. > :57:04.get in government. Very happy to concede. Apologies, I would just be
:57:05. > :57:08.honest. When we flagged this in our conference speech a few months ago,
:57:09. > :57:14.suddenly it got a load of attraction. I was out canvassing and
:57:15. > :57:18.people were talking about it, they were raising it. We all like the
:57:19. > :57:25.idea. But what about Labour's offer of more bank holidays? That would be
:57:26. > :57:30.one way of phrasing it in. Let's take a step back. It is about who
:57:31. > :57:35.the economy is for. Few people are asking that question. We get these
:57:36. > :57:40.bland numbers, get the economy growing 1%, 2%, get this trade deal,
:57:41. > :57:43.but we are not asking who get benefits. If these policies are
:57:44. > :57:47.gaining traction, or this particular one to have a four-day working week,
:57:48. > :57:53.then why are you not doing better in the polls. You are not doing as well
:57:54. > :57:57.as you were in 2015. People are probably thinking they will vote for
:57:58. > :58:00.the Labour Party. We know this is a strange election where people are
:58:01. > :58:05.voting tactically like never before. And you have encouraged it. We have
:58:06. > :58:10.worked with other parties, saying let's move beyond tribalism. In 2015
:58:11. > :58:13.lots of people voted Ukip and it took the country in one direction.
:58:14. > :58:17.They were effectively running the government with no MPs. You want to
:58:18. > :58:21.take the country in another direction, you can vote Green.
:58:22. > :58:23.You're hoping for more than one MP, presumably? I would love that.
:58:24. > :58:27.There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.
:58:28. > :58:29.The question was who have society magazine, Tatler,
:58:30. > :58:31.named as the poshest candidate to be Prime Minister?
:58:32. > :58:33.Is it a) Theresa May, b) Tim Farron,
:58:34. > :58:35.c) Jeremy Corbyn, or, d) Caroline Lucas?
:58:36. > :58:51.Surely not. Because he has a brother called Piers and he has a son called
:58:52. > :58:52.Seb. So apparently that is why. Thanks to Jonathan Bartley
:58:53. > :58:55.and all my guests. In just over an hour's time
:58:56. > :58:58.Adam Fleming will be popping up on the BBC Politics Facebook
:58:59. > :59:01.page with his Election And, Andrew will be here at noon
:59:02. > :59:03.tomorrow with more Daily Politics.