:00:36. > :00:41.The Government survives the vote on its Queen's Speech
:00:42. > :00:45.over public-sector pay, but life in a hung Parliament
:00:46. > :00:47.doesn't look like it'll be easy, and ministers face further big
:00:48. > :00:55.Politicians have just hours left to reach an agreement on restoring
:00:56. > :00:57.power-sharing in Northern Ireland, or face direct rule
:00:58. > :01:05.We'll be joined by the MP who has won the annual ballot to decide
:01:06. > :01:09.which backbenchers get to propose new laws.
:01:10. > :01:13.And it's reckoned one in three young adults now have a tattoo -
:01:14. > :01:27.but how many of them have a tattoo of a well-known political figure?
:01:28. > :01:35.And yes, we ask the questions we know you all care about!
:01:36. > :01:38.With us for the duration, former Environment Secretary,
:01:39. > :01:39.former Northern Ireland Secretary, Owen Paterson.
:01:40. > :01:42.I think it's safe to say his main interest in tattoos
:01:43. > :01:45.is of the military kind, but he may prove me wrong.
:01:46. > :01:47.First today, the Government has confirmed that the retired Court
:01:48. > :01:49.of Appeal judge Martin Moore-Bick has been chosen to lead
:01:50. > :01:52.the public inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire.
:01:53. > :02:01.He'll take on one of the toughest public inquiries in recent years -
:02:02. > :02:07.he's sure to be under huge scrutiny, and that scrutiny has already begun.
:02:08. > :02:15.What do you make of this appointment? Of the 70-year-old
:02:16. > :02:20.Judge? It's a good thing. The Prime Minister said she would get a public
:02:21. > :02:26.inquiry going. He's a senior appeal judge. Was. Well, yes, he is
:02:27. > :02:29.retired. Is the choice of the Lord Chief Justice and I think it is
:02:30. > :02:32.really good we are getting on with it because this is just so
:02:33. > :02:36.horrendous and there are so many questions to be asked. Yet he once
:02:37. > :02:41.ruled that a council could rehouse the tenant 50 miles away from their
:02:42. > :02:44.original residents. If you were a Grenfell Tower victim you wouldn't
:02:45. > :02:47.be inspired by that, would you? Well, there are going to be a lot of
:02:48. > :02:51.things about his previous judgments but you want a senior judge with a
:02:52. > :02:55.proper track record, respected by the legal profession, who was going
:02:56. > :02:59.to stuck in and get started. But he also has to have the confidence of
:03:00. > :03:03.those who were the victims of the Grenfell Tower tragedy. I would
:03:04. > :03:06.suggest that is more important than anything else. Not that they get to
:03:07. > :03:12.choose him - I understand that, it's an independent inquiry. But for the
:03:13. > :03:16.paedophile inquiry, the victims there were consulted. They had some
:03:17. > :03:22.say, some input. They have not from Grenfell Tower. Yes, but it is not
:03:23. > :03:24.just the people who have suffered this terrible tragedy, it is those
:03:25. > :03:29.who are currently living in tower blocks either have to be worried.
:03:30. > :03:32.But they are the most important. There are a lot of people today
:03:33. > :03:35.worried where they are living so they want a proper inquiry that gets
:03:36. > :03:39.on and get to the bottom of what happened. You can pick a couple of
:03:40. > :03:43.judgments you don't like - you could do that with any judge, someone of
:03:44. > :03:46.his lengthy career - but I think to have a senior judge picked by the
:03:47. > :03:50.Lord Chief Justice is a good thing and we should get on with it. Those
:03:51. > :03:53.who are living in tower blocks are nervous and I understand that but
:03:54. > :03:57.this inquiry doesn't help them at all, does it? It is the confidence
:03:58. > :04:07.of those who suffered most on that terrible night and I just wonder if
:04:08. > :04:10.someone like this... If you think of somebody, typical British legal
:04:11. > :04:16.establishment, double-barrelled name, Christchurch Cambridge,
:04:17. > :04:18.70-year-old. You just wonder, does he have any empathy and
:04:19. > :04:23.understanding of the people in Grenfell Tower? It is impossible not
:04:24. > :04:26.to have empathy with the people in Grenfell Tower considering what
:04:27. > :04:30.happened. It was beyond terrific. It is almost impossible to imagine what
:04:31. > :04:33.happened and also how those affected are still suffering and will be
:04:34. > :04:39.affected for the rest of their lives but the Lord Chief Justice has faith
:04:40. > :04:43.in this guy. He is a retired judge and I think we need to get moving
:04:44. > :04:50.fast because they're all of questions. Chudley time it? You and
:04:51. > :04:55.I know years. The paedophile Ingrid has not yet done and interim report
:04:56. > :05:02.atop the inquiry into Bloody Sunday took 20 years. There are large sums
:05:03. > :05:06.of people in these buildings who must be worried stiff today.
:05:07. > :05:10.The question is about one woman in the North East who has
:05:11. > :05:12.shown her admiration for a well-known politician by
:05:13. > :05:23.C, Justin Trudeau, the Canadian Prime Minister?
:05:24. > :05:29.At the end of the show, we will find out.
:05:30. > :05:32.Later today, MPs have a final vote on the Queen's Speech -
:05:33. > :05:34.that's the Government's legislative agenda for the coming two years.
:05:35. > :05:37.It is normally one, this one is for two.
:05:38. > :05:39.It's an important milestone for the Prime Minister,
:05:40. > :05:42.because if she can't secure enough votes in the House of Commons
:05:43. > :05:44.to back her programme, then the government would
:05:45. > :05:47.So how is Theresa May going to navigate this tightrope?
:05:48. > :05:50.Mrs May fell eight seats short of an absolute majority
:05:51. > :05:52.at the general election, meaning she is reliant
:05:53. > :05:54.on the support of others to govern and get legislation
:05:55. > :06:00.The Conservatives, along with the DUP -
:06:01. > :06:02.who have agreed to support the government on certain key bills
:06:03. > :06:08.Labour, combined with other parties, make up 315 votes.
:06:09. > :06:12.If you remove the Speaker and Sinn Fein - who do not take
:06:13. > :06:19.up their seats - then the government, with the DUP, has
:06:20. > :06:25.Last night in the Commons, Labour's first attempt to knock
:06:26. > :06:30.They'd tabled an amendment calling for an end to the public-sector pay
:06:31. > :06:34.cap and more money for the police and fire services in
:06:35. > :06:40.Tonight, there will be up to three votes on the Queen's Speech.
:06:41. > :06:45.Labour has tabled another amendment, which includes the introduction
:06:46. > :06:48.of an energy price cap, and calls for a Brexit deal that
:06:49. > :06:51.gives the UK the "exact same benefits" it has as a member
:06:52. > :06:54.of the single market and customs union.
:06:55. > :06:57.But the Government is expected to see off that challenge
:06:58. > :07:00.and win the final vote on its Queen's Speech,
:07:01. > :07:02.meaning it will have survived the first week in this
:07:03. > :07:09.As we said, yesterday's debate was focused on Labour's call
:07:10. > :07:12.for an end to the 1% cap on pay rises for public-sector workers.
:07:13. > :07:23.How long are they going to continue to peddle hard-line austerity
:07:24. > :07:28.when their own targets for closing the deficit
:07:29. > :07:31.recede ever further away, raising the question
:07:32. > :07:38.counter-productive in terms of encouraging growth?
:07:39. > :07:41.I would say to the right honourable lady, nobody
:07:42. > :07:46.We want to engage with you and debate with you because there
:07:47. > :07:49.are important subjects to be discussed but we are all serious
:07:50. > :07:52.about what has happened and what could happen in the future
:07:53. > :07:58.My right honourable friend is presumably not wholly taken
:07:59. > :08:02.in by the Shadow Home Secretary posturing as a defender of people's
:08:03. > :08:07.safety when in 1989 she now famously signed an early day motion calling
:08:08. > :08:09.for the scrapping of MI5 and the Metropolitan
:08:10. > :08:16.The real issue the Government should be looking at is whether the police
:08:17. > :08:18.and security services have sufficient resources
:08:19. > :08:23.That somehow the Government can find ?1 billion to support
:08:24. > :08:28.Northern Ireland and to support the Government keeping its own jobs
:08:29. > :08:31.but cannot support the additional resources the police
:08:32. > :08:34.and the emergency services need to support their jobs at this
:08:35. > :08:39.And that's why I think the Government has to rethink.
:08:40. > :08:41.I do declare an interest, Mr Deputy Speaker.
:08:42. > :08:46.I was a nurse who worked from 2010 to 2015 under the pay cap.
:08:47. > :08:49.I know exactly how difficult it is and how challenging those
:08:50. > :08:54.finances are and most nurses I know work on their hospital bank
:08:55. > :09:00.We will not make our decision on public sector pay until the pay
:09:01. > :09:04.review body has reported and we will listen to what they say
:09:05. > :09:07.and we will listen to what people in this House have said before
:09:08. > :09:14.We're joined by the Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury,
:09:15. > :09:16.Peter Dowd, who's in the Central Lobby of
:09:17. > :09:27.And Owen Paterson is with this in the studio. Peter Dowd, what sort of
:09:28. > :09:35.pay rises do you have in mind now for public sector workers? Well,
:09:36. > :09:39.what Labour in its Funding Britain's Future document, which accompanied
:09:40. > :09:46.our manifesto, we set aside ?4 billion per year over the parliament
:09:47. > :09:52.to help with the cap on pay in the public sector. So what kind of pay
:09:53. > :09:56.rise with that result in? That would be on figures, it is about to
:09:57. > :10:02.present if it all went on an equal basis. Is that to present on top of
:10:03. > :10:08.the 1% at the moment or is it three present? This is additional. The
:10:09. > :10:11.bottom line is, what we try to do is say, there are these bodies and we
:10:12. > :10:14.want to move into a collective-bargaining situation so
:10:15. > :10:17.there are these pay review bodies be to give evidence to but what we've
:10:18. > :10:20.had so far in a sense is the Government having the pay review
:10:21. > :10:24.bodies but for all intents and purposes ignoring everything they
:10:25. > :10:28.say. We're not into the business about micromanaging it. There are
:10:29. > :10:31.three sets of public sector employees - NHS, local government
:10:32. > :10:36.and public servants of the civil service so we've got to give some
:10:37. > :10:40.flexibility there. I understand that on the overall sum you think should
:10:41. > :10:44.be about 4 billion a year. On average, that is another to present
:10:45. > :10:49.a very body was to get the same but of course that probably wouldn't
:10:50. > :10:58.happen. -- another two decent. How would you finance this? We have set
:10:59. > :11:05.aside in that same document, ?48.6 billion spending and we match that
:11:06. > :11:11.with tax-raising measures which went from corporation tax at ?19 billion,
:11:12. > :11:16.tax evasion around ?6 billion, excessive pay levies. There is a
:11:17. > :11:22.whole range of that document, totalling 48.6. In fact, it totalled
:11:23. > :11:27.?53.5 billion to cover our commitment. So, in your view, the
:11:28. > :11:31.extra 4 billion a year that you would be proposing for public sector
:11:32. > :11:35.pay rises, that would be financed out of different forms of extra
:11:36. > :11:41.taxation? It wouldn't add to the devil as it? No, it doesn't because
:11:42. > :11:46.what we've got is that figure of 48.6 billion spending commitments,
:11:47. > :11:50.?48.6 billion of tax-raising which is there for people to see and pour
:11:51. > :11:55.over. Thanks for that. Stick with us. Owen Paterson, what is wrong
:11:56. > :12:01.with this public sector pay freeze, which has gone on for a long time
:12:02. > :12:06.now, and is projected to go on under the government... What is wrong with
:12:07. > :12:11.a modest rise now? Advocate sensible to wait for the pay review to go
:12:12. > :12:17.with their proposal but with the greatest respect to Peter, when we
:12:18. > :12:22.came in 2010 we will left a letter by one of his predecessors saying,
:12:23. > :12:26."We have no money left," and we were borrowing ?300,000 per minute and we
:12:27. > :12:29.are still not out of the woods, we're borrowing ?100,000 a minute so
:12:30. > :12:33.it is tough. One that would be a case for saying they shouldn't get
:12:34. > :12:39.more than the pay gap. Let's see what the pay review body says. They
:12:40. > :12:43.kept talking about the lesson of corporation tax. We reduced
:12:44. > :12:48.corporation tax from 28% to 20% and increased the amount of tax money
:12:49. > :12:51.that came in from 44 billion to 56 billion. You say wait on the pay
:12:52. > :12:55.review bodies but the pay review bodies are given arena by the
:12:56. > :13:00.Treasury and arena by the Treasury follows the cap on public sector
:13:01. > :13:05.pay. You are asking people to continue effectively to have their
:13:06. > :13:09.pay rise by no more than 1% across-the-board at a time when
:13:10. > :13:14.inflation is almost 3%. So you are saying to the nurses and fire
:13:15. > :13:18.workers and public sector workers and carers up and down the land, you
:13:19. > :13:23.are going to have another real cut in your pay. That's what it means.
:13:24. > :13:27.And for all those in the private sector who also under pressure.
:13:28. > :13:33.Everyone appreciates these people do incredibly important jobs - nurses,
:13:34. > :13:40.Fireman policeman, etc. Public sector pay -- private sector pay is
:13:41. > :13:43.rising. We are still borrowing ?100,000 a minute and we can't get
:13:44. > :13:46.away from that. Off we go on spending money we dumped this debt
:13:47. > :13:54.on our children and grandchildren. Average earnings are rising by just
:13:55. > :13:59.over 2%. But it public sector pay is frozen at 1%, it means that the
:14:00. > :14:03.private sector may still be suffering a bit of a cut but they
:14:04. > :14:08.are not suffering as much as the public sector workers so is your
:14:09. > :14:11.message to public sector workers today but actually, our public
:14:12. > :14:15.finances are still in such a bad shape that you can still have no
:14:16. > :14:21.more than the 1% cup? That's your message, isn't it? My messages wait
:14:22. > :14:25.for the review body. I've given you the answer. We are still borrowing
:14:26. > :14:30.?100,000 a minute and if we are going to pay more for whatever this
:14:31. > :14:40.is it has to be borrowed or taken from tax. What does Philip Hammond
:14:41. > :14:44.say when asked about these issues - we are not deaf. It sounds like you
:14:45. > :14:49.have got a two year. I am waiting for the review body. What does that
:14:50. > :14:52.mean? These are important jobs and there is a certain point where you
:14:53. > :14:56.turn off completely and that has to be recognised and will be recognised
:14:57. > :14:59.by the review body but you have to look at this against the background
:15:00. > :15:04.of public finances were we still not out of the woods of the mess we were
:15:05. > :15:08.left by Labour in 2010. Peter Dowd, let me come back to you. What would
:15:09. > :15:13.happen if Owen Paterson was right and some of the tax rises you are
:15:14. > :15:20.proposing, which are largely fallen corporation tax and companies which
:15:21. > :15:23.are quite mobile, and on the top 5% of incomes, professional, well-paid
:15:24. > :15:26.people who are pretty mobile... What would happen if you didn't raise
:15:27. > :15:29.this extra money, that it didn't result in the funds that you thought
:15:30. > :15:33.it would get? What would you do then?
:15:34. > :15:40.I do not accept the premise we will not be able to raise the money. We
:15:41. > :15:46.have done an assessment and had it independently checked and I believe
:15:47. > :15:51.we will raise it. Owen Paterson, his words about the 6 million workers,
:15:52. > :15:59.the government proposes over the next five years ?70 billion of tax
:16:00. > :16:05.cuts, corporation tax, and it is about time the government got the
:16:06. > :16:07.priority right and fund some of these public sector pay rises,
:16:08. > :16:13.especially in the light of what they have had to do. The government
:16:14. > :16:20.should reorganise its priorities. We reduced corporation tax from 28% and
:16:21. > :16:24.we increase the amount of money coming in from 44 billion to 56
:16:25. > :16:28.billion. They've never get this. They said when income tax was
:16:29. > :16:33.reduced it cost 3 billion, actually 8 billion more came in. If you
:16:34. > :16:37.reduce taxes you increase the cake and have more money available for
:16:38. > :16:42.public services and it is bad when you have the hard left Labour Party
:16:43. > :16:45.that thinks it can pay for everything by penalising the most
:16:46. > :16:53.productive part of the economy and that hurts those public services
:16:54. > :16:55.that need tax revenue, and you increase tax revenue by growing the
:16:56. > :16:59.economy and reducing taxes. If public finances are so bad we cannot
:17:00. > :17:08.get rid of the public sector pay cap, where did you find the extra 1
:17:09. > :17:12.billion for the DUP. 102, which is a good investment in a secure economy
:17:13. > :17:17.and sound finances, as opposed to letting Labour in which will lead to
:17:18. > :17:22.chaos, flights to the airports, capital disappearing and diving
:17:23. > :17:25.prospects. If you can find 1 billion for Northern Ireland with a
:17:26. > :17:31.population less than 2 million, could you not find 4 billion for
:17:32. > :17:37.England public sector workers, which is what it largely refers to, but
:17:38. > :17:49.the population of over 55 million. The city deals with Scotland and
:17:50. > :17:52.Wales and... If you can find 1 billion, White can you not find 4
:17:53. > :17:55.billion. 1 billion for a small part of the UK, why not 4 billion for the
:17:56. > :17:59.biggest part? We are waiting for the pay review body and the 1 billion
:18:00. > :18:12.for the DUP who is set against the 802 spending which is a modest fee
:18:13. > :18:15.for a sound policy, rather than Labour extracting huge amounts of
:18:16. > :18:23.money from a small number of people, who would disappear and leave the
:18:24. > :18:27.country. Thank you. Before we move from, the Speaker has called Labour
:18:28. > :18:32.MP Stella Creasey's amendment on demands for women in Northern
:18:33. > :18:35.Ireland to be given free access to abortion services in England. At the
:18:36. > :18:40.moment they can come to England or other parts of the UK, but services
:18:41. > :18:45.are not free and this amendment would make it free. How would you
:18:46. > :18:50.vote on that? This is a devolved issue. These personal, moral issues
:18:51. > :19:00.are almost all devolved. This is about women who want an abortion
:19:01. > :19:05.coming to England and getting the service free on the same basis as
:19:06. > :19:10.English women would get it. How would you vote on that? It is a
:19:11. > :19:20.devolved issue. It cannot be devolved. If a parliament cannot
:19:21. > :19:23.stop women from Northern Ireland travelling to England for an
:19:24. > :19:29.abortion. I would have to see the amendment. These moral issues, which
:19:30. > :19:30.the DUP come in for some flak on, they are devolved.
:19:31. > :19:45.The Culture Secretary said she is minded to refer the proposed
:19:46. > :19:49.takeover by 21st Century Fox, Rupert Murdoch's massive media company
:19:50. > :19:55.based in New York, she said she is minded to refer the takeover. Fox
:19:56. > :20:02.owns 30 odd per cent of it and wants to buy the rest of Sky it does not
:20:03. > :20:09.own and she wants to move it to a second phase of the investigation
:20:10. > :20:14.with the authority on the grounds of plurality. Not on advertising
:20:15. > :20:19.standards, what is known as the fit and proper test. A delay at the very
:20:20. > :20:24.least to Rupert Murdoch's aspirations to own all of Sky and
:20:25. > :20:25.not just roughly a third. Back to the Queen's Speech.
:20:26. > :20:27.There have been various other attempts to amend
:20:28. > :20:29.the Queen's Speech in Parliament, including some on the
:20:30. > :20:33.The Labour peer and Remain supporter Andrew Adonis tried to amend it
:20:34. > :20:35.by regretting the decision not to negotiate continued membership
:20:36. > :20:37.of the single market and customs union.
:20:38. > :20:43.The reason, my lords, that Brexit is so difficult
:20:44. > :20:46.is that the policy of withdrawal from the central economic
:20:47. > :20:51.institutions of the European Union is so unviable, it will cause deep
:20:52. > :20:54.and lasting damage to the UK's trade, investment
:20:55. > :21:03.It is a hard right nationalist policy and it is no more viable
:21:04. > :21:05.as a governing idea than the hard left socialism of Tony Benn
:21:06. > :21:13.and Arthur Scargill in the 1970s and 1980s.
:21:14. > :21:15.Andrew Adonis lost his vote, although it did have the support
:21:16. > :21:22.There's also a similar amendment being put down by Labour
:21:23. > :21:24.and Liberal Democrat MPs in the Commons today.
:21:25. > :21:27.I'm joined now by the Labour peer Peter Hain, who believes his party
:21:28. > :21:30.should be pushing for the UK to remain a member
:21:31. > :21:37.I stress the word member, access is a different matter.
:21:38. > :21:39.But first let's talk to the Labour MP Caroline Flint,
:21:40. > :21:42.who said this week that doing so would mean staying
:21:43. > :21:52.Caroline Flint, would you say -- what do you said to be Parliamentary
:21:53. > :21:57.colleagues who are fighting to remain members of the single market?
:21:58. > :22:02.We went into the election very clear leaving the EU was a settled matter
:22:03. > :22:08.for labour and I have always believed and said it as a Remain
:22:09. > :22:11.campaigner, if the decision was to leave, we could not remain as
:22:12. > :22:16.members of the single market, because to do so we would have to
:22:17. > :22:20.accept controls of freedom of movement and for those reasons I
:22:21. > :22:24.believe as much access as possible is something we should strive for
:22:25. > :22:29.but I do not believe you can combine being a member of the single market
:22:30. > :22:37.and meet the wishes who voted to leave the EU in the referendum and
:22:38. > :22:42.many Remain voters who want to change freedom of movement. I agree
:22:43. > :22:47.we want changes to freedom of movement. Belgium poses tougher
:22:48. > :22:51.controls on freedom of movement. You have to have a job and if you lose
:22:52. > :22:56.it, you are given a short time before you leave Belgium to go back
:22:57. > :23:00.to your country of origin. My main concern, this is the biggest and
:23:01. > :23:05.richest single market in the world. If we were simply to press for
:23:06. > :23:11.access having left it, we would have to get the agreement of 27 countries
:23:12. > :23:17.and only one could veto and as we saw with the Canadian trade deal, a
:23:18. > :23:22.regional parliament in Belgium tried to stop it, so that could be
:23:23. > :23:26.difficult. I think we should negotiate exit that stays in the
:23:27. > :23:30.single market and Customs union, which is important also for Northern
:23:31. > :23:38.Ireland, by the way, that there are no barriers an bureaucracy and
:23:39. > :23:43.tariffs that departing the single market would leave... Almost half
:23:44. > :23:49.our trade is with the single market. Caroline Flint? It is interesting
:23:50. > :23:53.hearing about the Belgian example. As I recall the same applies to
:23:54. > :23:56.present arrangements and we should enforce as part of the arrangements
:23:57. > :24:02.now that people come for a job but often we fail to do that and fail to
:24:03. > :24:06.follow up when they lose work here. The British people wanted more
:24:07. > :24:10.control over immigration which means not necessarily closing the door but
:24:11. > :24:15.opening when we need workers and importantly training more of our
:24:16. > :24:19.own. My worry in the language of this about the single market and
:24:20. > :24:24.Customs union, there are people, I do not know if Peter is one, who
:24:25. > :24:29.would like an opportunity to maybe change the result of what happened a
:24:30. > :24:34.year ago, and discussions around the Customs union, which is about how we
:24:35. > :24:38.trade externally and the single market are pivotal to this and I
:24:39. > :24:42.don't believe we will have the same arrangements. It does not mean we
:24:43. > :24:47.cannot get a deal that supports trading ambitions in the EU and
:24:48. > :24:54.beyond, but we have to look at this as something that is a settled
:24:55. > :25:00.matter and not be cheeky with the language used, which may be a code
:25:01. > :25:04.for trying to stay in the European Union, that is not going to happen.
:25:05. > :25:08.We should be clear, which is where we have to press the government, not
:25:09. > :25:14.everything will be decided in the next two years by any stretch. We
:25:15. > :25:18.will get the headlines but we need transition plans to provide
:25:19. > :25:23.certainty and stability and confidence that we will not fall off
:25:24. > :25:29.a cliff edge Mac could take ten years, people are talking about, in
:25:30. > :25:34.which we could sort out the detail. Peter Hain, if we stay in the
:25:35. > :25:39.customs union, we cannot do our own free-trade deals. If we stay in the
:25:40. > :25:47.single market we are subject to the jurisdiction of the European Court
:25:48. > :25:52.of Justice and free movement rules. Also subject to the rules and
:25:53. > :25:56.regulations of Brussels. In what way will we have left the EU? We will
:25:57. > :26:02.have left because it was the decision of the people. In practice
:26:03. > :26:08.we would still be subject to everything we are subject to, the
:26:09. > :26:12.freedoms, European Court of Justice, unable to strike free-trade deals on
:26:13. > :26:19.our own. Imagine as Brexiteer said, they wanted to maintain trade and
:26:20. > :26:24.they would be mad not to within the European Union, would have to
:26:25. > :26:29.conform to the standards, the cars we export into the EU single market
:26:30. > :26:33.have thousands of pages of standards that have to be complied with,
:26:34. > :26:37.otherwise you have to go through the customs union bureaucracy and delays
:26:38. > :26:45.and tariffs apply. My objective is to protect jobs and prosperity. Is
:26:46. > :26:53.it not to get us actually to stay inside the EU, in fact? I do not
:26:54. > :26:58.agree... That is a different matter. Not agreeing and supporting it is a
:26:59. > :27:01.different matter. I am out to protect jobs and prosperity and
:27:02. > :27:05.leaving the single market and Customs union, and nobody has
:27:06. > :27:10.explained how it can be avoided, will cost jobs and prosperity. I
:27:11. > :27:16.think we can toughen up migration controls. On the ballot paper the
:27:17. > :27:22.single market never came up. That is not true. In many of the programmes
:27:23. > :27:25.I did it raised the issue of the single market. Given we are being
:27:26. > :27:32.asked to believe in the Belgian example, how many people has Belgium
:27:33. > :27:39.sent home because they no longer had a job? Some thousands, I gather. I
:27:40. > :27:43.don't know exactly. If this is a centre of your policy, do you need
:27:44. > :27:48.to know? We have a bigger economy and we would work out how it
:27:49. > :27:53.applied. The point I am making is to stay in the single market does not
:27:54. > :27:58.mean uncontrolled migration, and it is dishonest to pretend otherwise.
:27:59. > :28:02.There are ways of enforcing control, as for example Belgium has done. We
:28:03. > :28:08.could even be tougher. You don't really know what Belgium has done. I
:28:09. > :28:15.do because it is clear. I cannot give you the numbers. They are in
:28:16. > :28:17.the thousands. You are not disputing the point I am making that you can
:28:18. > :28:25.have tougher migration controls in the single market and protect jobs
:28:26. > :28:29.and prosperity. I want the Nissan workers, Jaguar Land Rover workers,
:28:30. > :28:35.having jobs protected and the best way is to remain in the single
:28:36. > :28:39.market. Caroline Flint, you have been clear we cannot remain members
:28:40. > :28:45.of the single market all customs union, are you confident that is the
:28:46. > :28:54.settled policy of your front bench? I think it is. I know it is. I know
:28:55. > :28:59.it is because I heard Keir Starmer use the language, we need access to
:29:00. > :29:04.the single market, not talking about membership. Obviously when you are
:29:05. > :29:08.on the doorstep in Don Valley and elsewhere, people do not say let's
:29:09. > :29:11.talk about the single market but I know as a Remain campaign that I was
:29:12. > :29:17.in debates where I made it clear if we left we could not be members of
:29:18. > :29:21.the single market. Some said they wanted to stay in the single market.
:29:22. > :29:26.Lots of things were said on all sides that were not helpful to the
:29:27. > :29:30.debate. What I am clear about is the British people and I think a
:29:31. > :29:36.substantial number of remain voters and recent polling shows 40% of
:29:37. > :29:39.Remain voters are clear we should leave the European Union. They were
:29:40. > :29:44.clear they wanted more control, which does not mean throwing out the
:29:45. > :29:48.baby with the bath water and not having the standards currently, many
:29:49. > :29:55.of them I suggest inspired by the UK. They do want more control which
:29:56. > :29:59.might mean that we can come to a place where we can enjoy free
:30:00. > :30:04.tariffs, but it might be being outside the single market we will
:30:05. > :30:08.have I believe more control over immigration, to turn the tap on and
:30:09. > :30:14.off when we feel their economy needs it, but also to do things like
:30:15. > :30:17.reduce VAT on energy costs, or support some of the foundation
:30:18. > :30:23.industry is better than they have been because of the EU.
:30:24. > :30:32.Andrew Adonis, your Labour colleague in the Lords, says that advocate
:30:33. > :30:35.leaving membership of the single market is "A hard right nationalist
:30:36. > :30:43.policy". That is the policy of your party. I haven't used that term. He
:30:44. > :30:47.has. Is he right or wrong? The consequence of doing it is we would
:30:48. > :30:52.have to start all over again with 27 member... That was in 20 was making
:30:53. > :30:55.adult. He said it is a hard right nationalist policy. I'm pointing
:30:56. > :31:00.out, according to Caroline Flint, that is the policy of your party so
:31:01. > :31:02.your party is now according to Andrew Adonis advocating a hard
:31:03. > :31:06.right nationalist policy. I think you should ask Andrew Adonis about
:31:07. > :31:10.that. We wanted to but he couldn't come on. That's why we have you and
:31:11. > :31:16.we are grateful for it. I'm grateful to be here and it ought to my friend
:31:17. > :31:20.Caroline. The point is to leave the European single market means you
:31:21. > :31:25.then have to renegotiate Access with all in the seven members. In
:31:26. > :31:29.addition you've got to renegotiate Access with over 50 other countries
:31:30. > :31:33.across the world with which the single market has trade deals. This
:31:34. > :31:38.could take years. It could cost many, many jobs. Why not stay in the
:31:39. > :31:44.single market, change the rules in respect of migration and have a much
:31:45. > :31:48.more secure future for Britain? People didn't vote for Brexit South
:31:49. > :31:53.Wales I is where I knocked on doors in order to be poorer. Some of those
:31:54. > :31:57.people are poor and the problem is, Peter, much of this, it saddens me
:31:58. > :32:01.that we as a party didn't address these issues more fundamentally way
:32:02. > :32:05.before we got to the referendum on freedom of movement, for example.
:32:06. > :32:11.But part of the problem is that when people talk about the net benefits
:32:12. > :32:15.of the EU, and I am knowledgeable about, -- I acknowledge all of that,
:32:16. > :32:21.we fail to express those benefits so some of the pluses of having access
:32:22. > :32:25.to cheap labour to be plumbers and everyone else coming into our homes,
:32:26. > :32:29.for businesses to exploit that steady slow migration coming to our
:32:30. > :32:31.shores, I'm afraid many other and communities outside our big cities
:32:32. > :32:34.and the middle-class areas areas outside the country they were not
:32:35. > :32:41.feeling it and they roared last year. Caroline Flint, let me ask you
:32:42. > :32:43.this, finally. There was an amendment down to the Queen's Speech
:32:44. > :32:52.advocating continued membership of the single market. Is Labour going
:32:53. > :32:55.to vote against that? Well, I'm not going to be supporting a is
:32:56. > :33:00.basically saying that anything but membership of that should be the
:33:01. > :33:03.case and I wait to hear what my party is telling me how to vote
:33:04. > :33:07.later on in the day but what I am saying is that I cannot support
:33:08. > :33:11.something that ties us into something which I think undermines
:33:12. > :33:13.and puts at risk our ongoing conversation and discussion with the
:33:14. > :33:19.British people about how we leave the EU. Our front bench, Heather
:33:20. > :33:21.Self, ab stained in the Lords last night on the amendment. Thank you,
:33:22. > :33:28.Peter. Thank you both. It's deadline day for politicians
:33:29. > :33:31.in Northern Ireland to reach an agreement on power-sharing that
:33:32. > :33:32.would allow devolved If this afternoon's deadline
:33:33. > :33:42.is missed, it could lead to direct While we've been on air, we have a
:33:43. > :33:48.short statement from the Northern Ireland Secretary of State is broken
:33:49. > :33:51.and I. Here is what he had to say. -- James Brokenshire. Much progress
:33:52. > :33:58.has been made but a number of issues remain outstanding. I believe that a
:33:59. > :34:05.resolution can be found and I'm urging the parties to continue
:34:06. > :34:11.focusing all of their efforts on achieving this. UK Government will
:34:12. > :34:14.work with the parties toward their critical objective of forming an
:34:15. > :34:15.executive. Let's get the latest on those talks
:34:16. > :34:28.from our Northern Ireland political Mark, is in the expectation that
:34:29. > :34:32.there won't be an agreement today? I think so, Andrew. Even though James
:34:33. > :34:35.Brokenshire was trying to accentuate the positive, really the political
:34:36. > :34:39.atmosphere here is every bit as dismal as the weather at Stormont
:34:40. > :34:44.Castle and there is a sense that the two main parties, the DUP and Sinn
:34:45. > :34:46.Fein, have not been able to overcome their differences over what kind of
:34:47. > :34:52.registers a provisional measure before the Irish language in the
:34:53. > :34:59.future. -- what kind of legislative provision there should be. They are
:35:00. > :35:03.squabbling about whether they should wear their laundry in public or keep
:35:04. > :35:10.it private. If they can't come to an agreement and the deadline for PMS
:35:11. > :35:13.often impasses, what then happens? Comes down to James Brokenshire to
:35:14. > :35:18.choose his options. You could call another election and we have
:35:19. > :35:21.election night is because we have just had the snap election but only
:35:22. > :35:24.in the spring we had an assembly election I don't think the public
:35:25. > :35:30.would have great deal of time for another poll may be in the autumn.
:35:31. > :35:32.Alternatively, he could go for direct rule, appointing ministers
:35:33. > :35:35.from London to take over the running of this place, but he knows there
:35:36. > :35:40.will be a kickback in particular from Sinn Fein in relation to that.
:35:41. > :35:46.The other two alternatives, if I can go into four alternatives, are
:35:47. > :35:48.probably more likely. One is that he could potentially delay this
:35:49. > :35:55.deadline, retrospectively legislate for a new one. Another is that he
:35:56. > :35:59.could go into some sort of half life well -- where Westminster does a bit
:36:00. > :36:04.of Stormont business but it is in the hands of civil service to run
:36:05. > :36:09.this place. We shall see. I'm sure the people of Northern Ireland can't
:36:10. > :36:13.wait for another election! Mark Devonport in a rather rainy
:36:14. > :36:18.Stormont. Owen Paterson, you have great experience of Northern
:36:19. > :36:21.Ireland. Would not be realistic to think that they don't get an
:36:22. > :36:25.agreement today but at some stage they will get an agreement? It is
:36:26. > :36:30.still a matter of time and it will happen? Or that being too
:36:31. > :36:37.optimistic? The people of Northern Ireland are completely exasperated
:36:38. > :36:41.and exhausted. I still go there privately and they want to get on
:36:42. > :36:46.their businesses. As one example, we had this big campaign to corporation
:36:47. > :36:49.tax reduced. Can only be done by devolved administration working
:36:50. > :36:54.Stormont. That benefits every single right across Northern Ireland
:36:55. > :36:59.because you get someone just over the border in Donegal, a small
:37:00. > :37:03.market town, just down the road you have Londonderry, second biggest
:37:04. > :37:07.town, which is nothing like the scale of that town because of
:37:08. > :37:12.corporation tax. For me it is completely exasperated, if Mark
:37:13. > :37:16.Devonport is right, it is a matter of intense interest to quite a small
:37:17. > :37:20.minority and the last poll I saw was that more people speak Polish than
:37:21. > :37:25.speak Irish in Ireland. I just hope that this late stage they have to
:37:26. > :37:28.this afternoon elect a First Minister, Deputy First Minister and
:37:29. > :37:33.the Speaker and set up an executive. You want them to get on with running
:37:34. > :37:37.the province? Absolutely nobody in Westminster wants to bring direct
:37:38. > :37:42.rule back. That bit I can understand! And it has worked on the
:37:43. > :37:50.people of Northern Ireland wanted to work. Here we are, at 1240 B, there
:37:51. > :37:55.is still time. As a former Northern Ireland Secretary of State, James
:37:56. > :37:58.Brokenshire could the deadline? He could, yesterday it will be
:37:59. > :38:02.interesting if Sinn Fein don't want to get into an executive. Because
:38:03. > :38:05.they don't get their seats in Westminster they will basically be
:38:06. > :38:08.just running district councils and they do represent a lot of people
:38:09. > :38:11.across Northern Ireland and it would be much better if they were in the
:38:12. > :38:15.Executive with the DUP. OK, we shall see.
:38:16. > :38:17.When Britain leaves the EU, what will the future hold
:38:18. > :38:21.In a moment we'll hear from our guest of the day -
:38:22. > :38:24.he's a former secretary of state for rural affairs - but first
:38:25. > :38:29.We've come to the Royal Norfolk show.
:38:30. > :38:32.This is where the best of local farming is celebrated.
:38:33. > :38:39.There is so much uncertainty over currency, which is a major
:38:40. > :38:44.I was all for Brexit, but, after the fiasco
:38:45. > :38:48.over the last month, I'm very worried man now.
:38:49. > :38:50.For the past 45 years, subsidies from Europe have had
:38:51. > :38:53.a massive part to play in how Britain farms.
:38:54. > :39:01.And Brexit is set to change all that.
:39:02. > :39:04.Many farmers get more than half their income from EU funding,
:39:05. > :39:07.through the Common Agricultural Policy.
:39:08. > :39:10.Without it, they'd go out of business.
:39:11. > :39:13.And the government is yet to set out how it will help
:39:14. > :39:17.Post-2022, we have no idea what funding might look like.
:39:18. > :39:20.What we would like to see is some really good transitional
:39:21. > :39:25.That will be affected by the trade talks that we have,
:39:26. > :39:29.so that negotiations that are carried out by the Brexit team,
:39:30. > :39:32.by our future trade relationship with Europe, and whether that's
:39:33. > :39:35.a free-trade agreement, a customs union version, or something else,
:39:36. > :39:39.But what we do want is something that gives us productivity,
:39:40. > :39:41.it gives scope to support the environment and it gives us
:39:42. > :39:43.scope to ensure we can grow our contribution
:39:44. > :39:51.has been criticised for handing out millions to already wealthy
:39:52. > :39:54.landowners and for propping up some parts of the farming industry
:39:55. > :39:58.There is a statistic out there that the top 10% of producers
:39:59. > :40:00.are twice as productive as the bottom 10%,
:40:01. > :40:05.and that's something we want to close the gap on.
:40:06. > :40:07.That's everything from R, research and development,
:40:08. > :40:11.but also upskilling, as well as enabling investment
:40:12. > :40:14.into storage and collaboration and those sorts of things.
:40:15. > :40:18.So there is a lot more we could get out of our industry and I think it's
:40:19. > :40:22.Chancellor Philip Hammond has promised to maintain the current
:40:23. > :40:32.But, beyond that, the future for British farmers is uncertain.
:40:33. > :40:36.Michael Gove, now back in the Cabinet as the Environment
:40:37. > :40:39.and Rural Affairs Secretary, came to tell Norfolk farmers
:40:40. > :40:45.Shame he didn't bring any sunshine with him.
:40:46. > :40:49.Yeah, you could change that next time!
:40:50. > :40:53.Do we have to accept that after the subsidies change,
:40:54. > :40:55.that some farms are just no longer going to be viable?
:40:56. > :40:59.One of the things about the whole guarantee that we've given
:41:00. > :41:02.is that there will be support for farmers in cash terms,
:41:03. > :41:11.which was day the same right up until 2022.
:41:12. > :41:14.And as we leave the European Union, there
:41:15. > :41:18.New opportunities for us to have an agricultural policy that
:41:19. > :41:20.provides support to people who do the right thing environmentally.
:41:21. > :41:22.Support from the government for those who make our countryside
:41:23. > :41:24.beautiful and is sure that our natural
:41:25. > :41:29.And it's also the case that we can provide support in order to ensure
:41:30. > :41:31.that food is produced to the highest possible standards for sale
:41:32. > :41:34.But something's got to change, hasn't it, because some
:41:35. > :41:36.farms are so much more productive than others?
:41:37. > :41:39.Some farms are more productive than others, but it is the case
:41:40. > :41:42.in making a judgment about how you support farming that there
:41:43. > :41:46.Brexit will also change the way we buy and sell farming produce
:41:47. > :41:49.to the rest of the world and could bring opportunities
:41:50. > :41:52.to liberalise farming and compete more successfully on world markets.
:41:53. > :41:58.But MPs on the Environmental Audit Committee have voiced concerns.
:41:59. > :42:05.As we form new trade agreements outside the EU,
:42:06. > :42:07.British farmers could face increased competition from countries
:42:08. > :42:10.that want to sell us cheaper produce, and trade agreements that
:42:11. > :42:15.impose any taxes on UK farm exports could make it less
:42:16. > :42:20.profitable for British farmers to export goods abroad.
:42:21. > :42:22.Anything coming into this country has got to abide by the same
:42:23. > :42:25.rules and regulations - the food hygiene and the health
:42:26. > :42:28.and safety of the animals has got to be exactly the same as us,
:42:29. > :42:31.or else it should not be allowed to come in.
:42:32. > :42:32.That is not a fair, level playing field.
:42:33. > :42:35.Leaving the EU will affect so many industries, but some argue farming
:42:36. > :42:46.is really the biggest Brexit beast which has the most to lose or gain.
:42:47. > :42:54.Emma Vardy reporting. Owen Paterson, as members of the EU, we impose
:42:55. > :42:59.massive tariffs on agricultural produce from the rest of the world.
:43:00. > :43:05.On dairy products, beef products, all sorts of things coming in, even
:43:06. > :43:10.coffee coming in from Africa and so on to talk would it not be sensible,
:43:11. > :43:15.as we leave the EU, just to get rid of these tariffs and see the price
:43:16. > :43:20.of food fall, which would be a huge advantage to poorer people in this
:43:21. > :43:24.country? Quite right, it would be an 8 billion injection into the British
:43:25. > :43:27.economy, the average family would be over ?300 a year better off and
:43:28. > :43:31.there will be advantages for coffee and Germany earns far more money
:43:32. > :43:36.from coffee, processed coffee, because Africans of a process coffee
:43:37. > :43:39.have to pay the higher tariff. So you're quite right, there would be
:43:40. > :43:44.huge gains on that. The counter to that is, we will have to have a
:43:45. > :43:47.world competitive industry. In some areas we do. We have the world
:43:48. > :43:53.record for wheat production per acre. We are not allowed to embrace
:43:54. > :43:56.some technologies by the EU, so we should change the emphasis and the
:43:57. > :43:59.precautionary principle which is basically, don't get out of bed in
:44:00. > :44:03.the morning in case you bang your head on the door and fall down the
:44:04. > :44:07.stairs, and embrace technology. So somewhere like France, if it had the
:44:08. > :44:10.same efficiency as the United States as maize production, it would
:44:11. > :44:15.produce 1.9 million more tonnes of maize, or on the environment would
:44:16. > :44:19.free up several thousand hectares for recreation. The answer is to go
:44:20. > :44:24.absolutely fullbore using the latest technologies which will help the
:44:25. > :44:28.environment and to encourage our farmers to diversify as happened in
:44:29. > :44:32.New Zealand and follow the best food product that is suited to their
:44:33. > :44:38.farm. You then look at countries like Switzerland where there is very
:44:39. > :44:40.significant subsidy for public goods, so environmental benefits
:44:41. > :44:45.provided by farmers in Switzerland, provided mainly by livestock farming
:44:46. > :44:50.which, on the food production level looks insanely expensive but provide
:44:51. > :44:55.the benefit of maintaining environments for the tourism
:44:56. > :45:00.industry so there are all sorts of things, biodiversity, flora, fauna.
:45:01. > :45:05.What should matter Morkel... What should matter more for a
:45:06. > :45:10.Conservative government - trying to reduce the price of food in the
:45:11. > :45:12.supermarkets, which benefits people on below-average incomes, or
:45:13. > :45:18.placating the farm lobby, because they're not going to like a tariff?
:45:19. > :45:24.You do both, you take advantage of coming out of the customs union
:45:25. > :45:29.which benefits every citizen, everybody is better off with cheaper
:45:30. > :45:35.food. Only if the tariffs are cut. You then say, how does it affect the
:45:36. > :45:39.farming industry? Certain sectors of the industry can be competitive as
:45:40. > :45:43.certainly if we are allowed to use modern technology. There will be
:45:44. > :45:48.marginal areas where you cannot compete with world food prices that
:45:49. > :45:53.there is a significant public good provided by the environmental parts,
:45:54. > :45:58.such as rural tourism industry, which it is fine to give significant
:45:59. > :46:07.public money. The Swiss paid more per head than we do under CAP. Our
:46:08. > :46:11.food self-sufficiency has gone down and environmental output has gone
:46:12. > :46:16.down because it's a broad blanket subsidy system that does not work.
:46:17. > :46:20.Out of the EU do we continue multi-billion pound subsidies to the
:46:21. > :46:27.farming industry? Not for direct food production. That is the lesson
:46:28. > :46:32.from New Zealand. New Zealand is interesting. Is it your view or the
:46:33. > :46:37.Conservatives view? That is clearly my expressed view. Which is not
:46:38. > :46:44.party policy. Farmers watching might be rather worried by what you say.
:46:45. > :46:47.I talk to farmers the whole time and people understand where I am going
:46:48. > :46:52.whether I explain this. There is another side of it, we have 1
:46:53. > :46:56.billion people hungry as we speak and will add 2 billion to the world
:46:57. > :47:00.population and there is an increase in standards of living around the
:47:01. > :47:05.world. There are massive opportunities to export. If we are
:47:06. > :47:10.at world prices, there will be many middle of the road products such as
:47:11. > :47:14.mince, which will suffer against world prices and to counter that you
:47:15. > :47:18.have to get into premium product countries such as India for Scotch
:47:19. > :47:23.Whisky, China for certain meat products and get the premium, which
:47:24. > :47:28.is why you have to leave the customs union so we can get on and negotiate
:47:29. > :47:35.these trade deals. The European Commission yesterday floated the
:47:36. > :47:39.idea of reducing the money spent on the Common Agricultural Policy in
:47:40. > :47:42.order to divert money elsewhere to make up the money they will lose
:47:43. > :47:49.when Britain leaves. The commission is furious because they will be 10
:47:50. > :47:52.billion short. The ex-communist countries, they came in at a low
:47:53. > :47:57.rate subsidy compared to establish countries such as France and
:47:58. > :48:01.Germany. I negotiated the last round of the policy and you could see this
:48:02. > :48:05.coming down the track, when they are going to try to level up. There will
:48:06. > :48:11.be a huge row and thank goodness we will be out of it. We can tailor
:48:12. > :48:17.agriculture environment policy to our own industry. Do you think in
:48:18. > :48:21.ten, 15 years from now, if you got your way, we would pay much in
:48:22. > :48:25.subsidies to British farmers as we do now? But we would be getting
:48:26. > :48:33.transparent goods. Iker Casillas paying a lot of money for the Hill
:48:34. > :48:39.areas -- I can see us pay more money in the hill areas and others. In New
:48:40. > :48:43.Zealand, they had 70 million sheep running around the hills doing
:48:44. > :48:50.terrible soil erosion and creating water pollution and they could not
:48:51. > :48:55.sell them and they turned into fertiliser. They stop subsidies. We
:48:56. > :49:00.have time for a transition. They have now 21 million sheep and export
:49:01. > :49:07.the same amount of meat. Bad news for chic? No, healthy sheep. Much
:49:08. > :49:11.healthier, better, larger, more robust sheep and a better
:49:12. > :49:12.environment. Good news for sheep. You heard it first the Daily
:49:13. > :49:14.Politics. This morning saw one of the most
:49:15. > :49:17.dramatic and keenly awaited moments Not the Queen's Speech, the Budget,
:49:18. > :49:21.or even the Westminster I speak, of course,
:49:22. > :49:25.of the annual draw to decide which MP has come top
:49:26. > :49:29.in the Private Members' Bill ballot, meaning that a bill they bring
:49:30. > :49:32.forward on a subject of their choosing has a higher
:49:33. > :49:39.chance of becoming law. It's a bit like the draw
:49:40. > :49:43.for the National Lottery if you'd asked Jacob Rees-Mogg
:49:44. > :49:45.to design the set. The ballot draw for private members'
:49:46. > :49:50.bills in the present session 461 members entered
:49:51. > :49:58.the ballot this year. We now come to the members who get
:49:59. > :50:01.the first pick of the Fridays And we're joined now by the winner,
:50:02. > :50:28.the Labour MP Chris Bryant. Welcome to the programme, you came
:50:29. > :50:33.top. What will you put forward? Those who were last shall be first
:50:34. > :50:38.and those who were first shall be last. Every year I have put in the
:50:39. > :50:44.ballot, I wanted it to be my old school number, 18, and this time I
:50:45. > :50:51.have won. I cannot decide yet. I have a little list. What I would
:50:52. > :50:56.love to do is sort out the Waspi pension injustice. That costs money.
:50:57. > :51:03.And therefore I can't. You are not allowed to do money bills. I would
:51:04. > :51:09.like to do ending wrapping that cannot be recycled on food. Are you
:51:10. > :51:15.allowed? I don't know yet. I would like to do civil partnerships for
:51:16. > :51:19.heterosexual Couples, more equality. A new offence of attacking emergency
:51:20. > :51:26.staff, because that has been a growing problem. You been accident
:51:27. > :51:31.and emergency? And Fire Service and people. I would like to abolish
:51:32. > :51:35.hereditary peers from the House of Lords, for that matter abolish
:51:36. > :51:43.hereditary titles. I would like to do land reform. Another I would like
:51:44. > :51:48.and I might get support here, Owen Paterson, you have supported a cap
:51:49. > :51:52.on welfare benefits for families, so why not a cap on agricultural
:51:53. > :51:59.benefits for farmers. That is a money bill? If you put a cap on, you
:52:00. > :52:03.are OK. You are not allowing an additional charge. I did not think
:52:04. > :52:08.the Private Members' Bills could have anything to do with money. In
:52:09. > :52:12.order to proceed in committee you have to have a money Bill in those
:52:13. > :52:18.cases because almost everything has some cost implication but what you
:52:19. > :52:23.cannot do is increase expenditure and you cannot increase a charge on
:52:24. > :52:27.the taxpayer, but I think you can decrease it. You have asked people
:52:28. > :52:34.on Twitter for suggestions. Do you know what you are doing? Well, you
:52:35. > :52:42.know... They are already coming in any way, to be honest. It came as a
:52:43. > :52:47.surprise this morning. I have until July the 19th to make up my mind and
:52:48. > :52:50.there is an art because on the one hand, it is a capricious business
:52:51. > :52:56.and in the end the government whips can talk bills out. There is an
:52:57. > :53:00.issue of do I go for something that will achieve cross-party consensus
:53:01. > :53:04.and therefore get something on the statute book, or do I advance a
:53:05. > :53:12.cause that might not get to the statute book book makes a big point?
:53:13. > :53:15.You have to reconcile going for something you really want might not
:53:16. > :53:18.get and getting something you want but not as much but has a better
:53:19. > :53:21.chance of getting through? It might end up as a small measure. There is
:53:22. > :53:26.a lot I'd like to change in Britain but I will not be able to do that in
:53:27. > :53:30.a single bill, because of the rules, and also because Labour does not
:53:31. > :53:35.have a majority and I have to persuade people to turn up on a
:53:36. > :53:41.Friday morning. The rules are such, if somebody keeps on talking and
:53:42. > :53:43.talking, even if they talk nonsense and repeat themselves, it can be
:53:44. > :53:49.talked out and you do not get to committee stage. Any advice? I would
:53:50. > :53:55.go for something with cross-party support and get it through. Like
:53:56. > :54:00.what? That is up to you. But I need your support. I'd like to your
:54:01. > :54:04.emergency workers, that is something that is interesting. We read more
:54:05. > :54:09.reports about this. Whether it needs legislation, I am not sure. I know
:54:10. > :54:13.what will happen to that, the government will say it is a good
:54:14. > :54:18.idea but does not need to be in legislation and they will talk it
:54:19. > :54:22.out, that is the danger. Could you not put a billion to move the Daily
:54:23. > :54:26.Politics to prime time on BBC One. And force people to watch it? Not
:54:27. > :54:37.force them, just give us better chance! We could do a thing to force
:54:38. > :54:42.the publication of your salary. When is that happening? At the end of
:54:43. > :54:50.July. That is very exciting. But we will be in recess. Several Tory MPs
:54:51. > :54:57.have asked me to present a new band rebuild, that goes back to 650 MPs
:54:58. > :55:01.and my activists asks if we can ban letterboxes that are not flat. In
:55:02. > :55:09.other words, the ones that go up like that. That would be a big
:55:10. > :55:14.issue. Job King, Andrew. I understand. This is not a joke, we
:55:15. > :55:20.have just heard that MPs will no longer have to wear a tie to ask a
:55:21. > :55:24.question. I always thought it was unfair that women stand in the
:55:25. > :55:29.chamber in a T-shirt and jeans and men have to wear a jacket and suit,
:55:30. > :55:37.a jacket and tie, rather. That always seems odd. Looking very well
:55:38. > :55:41.dressed today. Despite the heat. Interestingly, the chamber... We
:55:42. > :55:43.have run out of time. I have to get onto the big issue of the day, even
:55:44. > :55:45.you coming first in this lottery. Now, time to find out
:55:46. > :55:48.the answer to our quiz. for a politician by getting
:55:49. > :55:56.their face tattooed on her arm. C - Justin Trudeau,
:55:57. > :56:12.the Canadian Prime Minister? Instead of asking the studio guests,
:56:13. > :56:16.we can go to Adele Shepherd. She is struggling with her earpiece.
:56:17. > :56:27.Can you hear me? Excuse me? It does not look like it. There is a panic.
:56:28. > :56:33.Do you know which tattoo she got? It must be Jeremy Corbyn. It was Jeremy
:56:34. > :56:39.Corbyn. Adele Shepherd, can you hear me? This is not going to work, I'm
:56:40. > :56:44.afraid. We will have to give it up. She is in trouble with her earpiece.
:56:45. > :56:53.Jeremy Corbyn should have one of her now. Which politician do you have is
:56:54. > :57:00.tattoo? I do not have one. Adele Shepherd, can you hear me? Yes. Well
:57:01. > :57:05.done. What a struggle. Thanks for persevering. It is probably your
:57:06. > :57:12.first time on TV and you were bowled a fast ball with the earpiece.
:57:13. > :57:17.Relax, just tell us why did you decide to get a tattoo of Jeremy
:57:18. > :57:25.Corbyn and can we see it? Yes, certainly. There it is. Very
:57:26. > :57:30.recognisable. I became a member of the Labour
:57:31. > :57:34.Party eight months ago because I wanted to vote Jeremy Corbyn back in
:57:35. > :57:38.as leader after the vote of no confidence but as a new member I was
:57:39. > :57:44.not allowed to use that vote, which is another thing altogether. I met
:57:45. > :57:52.him in Stockton. He came up and I was blown away by his... A genuine
:57:53. > :57:55.person. I met him again at Scarborough when the election was
:57:56. > :58:05.called and again when he came to the borough to promote our candidate for
:58:06. > :58:09.the election. For me he represents compassion, fairness, understanding,
:58:10. > :58:17.empathy. And that is why you got the tattoo? Absolutely. It is permanent,
:58:18. > :58:22.what if he became Prime Minister and let you down badly, what would you
:58:23. > :58:26.do with your arm? He could not possibly let me down because of what
:58:27. > :58:32.he stands for and what he represents is what I am passionate about. He is
:58:33. > :58:37.a human being, we are all flawed, we are not perfect. I'm afraid we have
:58:38. > :58:41.run out of time and that is our fault for not getting the proper
:58:42. > :58:42.earpiece to you. Great to talk to you and thank you for explaining
:58:43. > :58:42.that. The one o'clock news is starting
:58:43. > :58:47.over on BBC One now. I'm back tonight with
:58:48. > :58:49.Michael Portillo, Liz Kendall, Adam Klug from Momentum,
:58:50. > :58:53.Adam Boulton, and the comedian MUSIC: Hoppipolla
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