:00:37. > :00:39.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:40. > :00:42.Theresa May travels to Hamburg for the G20 summit where she'll
:00:43. > :00:46.press for agreement on neutralising the threat of global terrorism.
:00:47. > :00:50.We'll get the latest from the meeting of world leaders.
:00:51. > :00:53.The Brexit Secretary David Davis meets business leaders as the CBI
:00:54. > :00:57.calls for the UK to remain in the single market
:00:58. > :01:01.until a new trade deal with the EU is agreed.
:01:02. > :01:05.The House of Lords is lit up to celebrate the 50th anniversary
:01:06. > :01:07.of the partial-decriminalisation of homosexuality
:01:08. > :01:13.And, as Jeremy Corbyn's poll ratings climb, is the Labour leader planning
:01:14. > :01:28.And with me for the duration is the political journalist
:01:29. > :01:36.So Theresa May is in Hamburg for the meeting of world
:01:37. > :01:39.It's the first time Donald Trump has met
:01:40. > :01:43.the Russian President Vladimir Putin and the agenda will focus on trade,
:01:44. > :01:49.Speaking to the BBC this morning, Theresa May said she was hoping
:01:50. > :01:51.to push the international community to clamp down further
:01:52. > :01:58.What I am doing here at the G20 is raising the need for us
:01:59. > :02:01.to work collectively, internationally, to deal
:02:02. > :02:04.with terrorist financing, not just large sum of money
:02:05. > :02:07.financing terrorism, but also to find ways of working
:02:08. > :02:10.with the financial services, with banks and others, to identify
:02:11. > :02:12.the smaller-scale transactions that can sometimes lead
:02:13. > :02:19.Let's get the latest from Hamburg and talk
:02:20. > :02:24.to our deputy political editor, John Pienaar.
:02:25. > :02:31.So that's her campaign on if you like to get agreement on trying to
:02:32. > :02:38.fight back on terrorism globally. What else is she talking about? That
:02:39. > :02:42.the message of the morning, get companies to do more practically and
:02:43. > :02:45.politically to do with the sourcing of finance for terrorism. You
:02:46. > :02:49.wouldn't expect a huge row about the principle that. Are expected to
:02:50. > :02:58.appear in the final communique. She will be meeting Donald Trump and the
:02:59. > :03:00.Chinese leader. Those will be interesting fascinating meetings,
:03:01. > :03:03.especially with Donald Trump because Theresa May is one of many leaders
:03:04. > :03:07.here who want Donald Trump to rethink on all sorts of things,
:03:08. > :03:13.notably the climate change agreement in Paris and she was speaking to me
:03:14. > :03:21.early on and said she hoped he would change his mind and come back on
:03:22. > :03:24.board with the Paris climate change deal. She is taking on these
:03:25. > :03:27.challenges. It's worth pointing out that as the list of global
:03:28. > :03:33.challenges grow, climate change, North Korea, disagreements about
:03:34. > :03:38.trade, it's a problem for Theresa May that the influence of the UK
:03:39. > :03:43.could be said to be shrinking in the aftermath of Brexit and the election
:03:44. > :03:48.where his authority has diminished and she's not got another power as
:03:49. > :03:52.she had before the boat. How much impact can she and the UK really
:03:53. > :03:57.have in this particular forum, bearing in mind the result of the
:03:58. > :04:01.election? Well, she's here, presenting and promoting the idea of
:04:02. > :04:07.a global Britain, as she puts it, reaching out to the world but
:04:08. > :04:11.there's no denying there was an issue there. Her former Cabinet
:04:12. > :04:15.colleague William Hague was saying there's a problem with losing
:04:16. > :04:19.influence as a result of Brexit, but she says she's going to not be
:04:20. > :04:23.intimidated, she will be bold, and that in itself is a recognition that
:04:24. > :04:29.she has a challenge on her hands. Thank you very much. This is really
:04:30. > :04:33.about the meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. What do
:04:34. > :04:39.you expect? What's interesting about due 20s is it about alliance
:04:40. > :04:42.building and diplomacy, and it's not the language Donald Trump
:04:43. > :04:46.specialises in, let's be honest, but when it comes to Vladimir Putin in
:04:47. > :04:49.particular, back home, he's got a problem with the perception that his
:04:50. > :04:54.campaign was too close to the Kremlin and people around him are
:04:55. > :04:57.too close to it, so he has got a tricky task today to show he
:04:58. > :05:01.standing up to Russia but also trying in some ways to deliver on
:05:02. > :05:05.what he said in his campaign for the presidency which is left reset
:05:06. > :05:10.relations. This is about cooperation, and collaboration,
:05:11. > :05:14.multilateralism, and Donald Trump is much more about winners and losers
:05:15. > :05:18.and individual nations. Is this going to be seen to some extent,
:05:19. > :05:23.particularly in the light of him pulling the USA out of the Paris
:05:24. > :05:28.climate change, is the retiring the USA from global politics in that
:05:29. > :05:33.sense? That's the problem, his problem is like Theresa May's. Has
:05:34. > :05:39.Britain lost its clout because of Brexit? Hast Donald Trump by virtue
:05:40. > :05:42.of being who he is and trying to reach French on things like
:05:43. > :05:46.globalisation, has he taken the USA's influence off the table? They
:05:47. > :05:51.are still a hugely strong economic nation so it's got a lot of clout,
:05:52. > :05:59.but the big problem is on things like Iraq and, climate change, it
:06:00. > :06:01.looks like the USA is being gently persuaded to come on board with
:06:02. > :06:04.anybody else but whether or not Donald Trump agrees to it is the big
:06:05. > :06:07.question. OK, let's leave it there. The question for today is what does
:06:08. > :06:12.the French government want to ban? At the end of the show we'll
:06:13. > :06:25.see if Paul can give The cream of British
:06:26. > :06:28.business is being courted by the Government later today,
:06:29. > :06:31.to try to get them board The Government is keen to show that
:06:32. > :06:35.Britain is open for business. Earlier this week, Liam Fox,
:06:36. > :06:38.the International Trade Secretary, said the UK remains "extremely
:06:39. > :06:42.attractive to foreign investors" a year on from the European Union
:06:43. > :06:46.referendum, and announced there was a record level of foreign
:06:47. > :06:50.investment last year. The Liberal Democrats,
:06:51. > :06:53.however, point out that despite this the number
:06:54. > :06:56.of new jobs created by foreign
:06:57. > :06:59.investment fell by 9%. Later today, the Brexit Secretary
:07:00. > :07:03.David Davis will meet senior business leaders including the heads
:07:04. > :07:06.of the Confederation Of British Industry
:07:07. > :07:11.and manufacturers organisation EEF at his county residence
:07:12. > :07:13.in Chevening, to try They've also created an EU
:07:14. > :07:20.Exit Business Advisory Group that will meet every fortnight,
:07:21. > :07:23.where business leaders Some are certainly
:07:24. > :07:30.doing that already. Yesterday, the CBI Director
:07:31. > :07:32.General Carolyn Fairburn called for Britain to remain
:07:33. > :07:34.in the single market and customs union until a trade agreement
:07:35. > :07:40.had been concluded. However, the EU isn't
:07:41. > :07:42.making life easy. Michel Barnier, the EU's chief
:07:43. > :07:47.negotiator, warned yesterday that frictionless trade, where goods can
:07:48. > :07:52.move between Britain and the EU without too many checks and red
:07:53. > :07:55.tape, is "not possible". We've been joined by
:07:56. > :07:57.the Conservative MP Kit Malthouse, and by James McGrory,
:07:58. > :07:59.who runs Open Britain which is campaigning for the UK
:08:00. > :08:12.to stay in the single market. Welcome to both of you. The CBI has
:08:13. > :08:17.called for us to stay in the single market and the customs union Intel
:08:18. > :08:22.deal has been done. Do you agree? I don't, there needs to be some kind
:08:23. > :08:26.of implementation phase that we reach when negotiations are done but
:08:27. > :08:29.saying now that we will stay in both before there's a free trade
:08:30. > :08:33.agreement just means the EU has an incentive not to agree a free-trade
:08:34. > :08:38.agreement because they get us within the structure but without any
:08:39. > :08:40.control over the rules so no, I'm not sure it's good. The CBI
:08:41. > :08:46.represent large businesses generally. It doesn't surprise me
:08:47. > :08:50.they would want to cling onto this kind of system which are suited for
:08:51. > :08:56.so long. Small businesses would have a different view. Is that how you
:08:57. > :09:00.regard the CBI, they are clinging to a corporate racket? Yes, it's
:09:01. > :09:07.generally accepted a bit of accompanist racket. They favour
:09:08. > :09:10.business is not as a forward facing, not as globally facing, and they
:09:11. > :09:13.like the protectionist approach of the EU so doesn't surprise me they
:09:14. > :09:18.want to hang onto it but I agree this notion that should be some kind
:09:19. > :09:21.of cliff edge, sudden transition, might not be entirely helpful and
:09:22. > :09:25.having a transition phase might not be a bad thing. It's no surprise the
:09:26. > :09:29.CBI saying this but from a negotiating position you wouldn't
:09:30. > :09:31.want to state here and now as a Government that that would be
:09:32. > :09:36.opposition throughout a transitional phase because then you've played all
:09:37. > :09:42.your cards? I think it falls into the same category as no deal is
:09:43. > :09:45.better than a bad deal mantra. There are negotiations, compromises on
:09:46. > :09:49.both sides, but this posturing which is only going to leave as being
:09:50. > :09:54.worse off, seems pointless. Surely the best thing is to get a deal good
:09:55. > :09:58.for business and in response to this corporate racket at the CBI, I
:09:59. > :10:03.fundamentally disagree with that. It's also backed by the Trade Union
:10:04. > :10:05.Congress today, employers and employees, as a sensible way
:10:06. > :10:08.forward. I don't think the Government are being upfront with
:10:09. > :10:12.people about the trade-offs that will happen if we leave the single
:10:13. > :10:17.market and Customs union. We'll come to that in a moment. You say it's
:10:18. > :10:21.all posturing but by declaring so early on if you like, it's sending
:10:22. > :10:27.out a message, isn't it, to the EU, and also for many people who want to
:10:28. > :10:34.see Brexit happen sooner rather than later, there was a possibility we'll
:10:35. > :10:37.never leave? We are doing the opposite. We are saying whatever
:10:38. > :10:43.happens in these negotiations, no matter how they go, and I have found
:10:44. > :10:48.a single person who thinks it will be done by March 2019 in its
:10:49. > :10:54.entirety, we are imposing our own red line saying we will definitely
:10:55. > :10:57.go to the single market, the customs union, controlling immigration...
:10:58. > :11:02.You can see why your position which is absolutely stated in Clare, it
:11:03. > :11:06.will lead people to believe, a bit like the song, Hotel California, you
:11:07. > :11:11.never leave. You can leave the EU would been the single market. Norway
:11:12. > :11:15.are not in the EU but are in the single market. The Government
:11:16. > :11:18.promised people frictionless trade, deal with the exact same benefits
:11:19. > :11:22.but I'm saying is not possible unless you stay in. It's not just
:11:23. > :11:28.James McGrory saying this but so does Michel Barnier and he should
:11:29. > :11:32.know as the chief negotiator for the EU. Is it realistic to say we will
:11:33. > :11:39.have completed a free-trade agreement with the EU by March 2019?
:11:40. > :11:43.Yes, I think it's realistic because we are starting from a completely
:11:44. > :11:47.different position than most people are who are negotiating free-trade
:11:48. > :11:50.agreements so, the moment, there are no barriers. In most free-trade
:11:51. > :11:52.agreement to have dubbed long negotiations about the barriers
:11:53. > :11:57.which exist which you then remove but in this negotiation, it's about
:11:58. > :12:01.the barriers the EU want to put up and that means that things should be
:12:02. > :12:04.a lot easier and quicker, not least also don't forget, because it's
:12:05. > :12:07.very, very much in their financial interest to have a free-trade
:12:08. > :12:13.agreement with us, they sell more to us than we do to them and that's why
:12:14. > :12:15.I think we should be concentrating a lot more on the rest of the world
:12:16. > :12:20.but nevertheless, it would be in their rational interests to want a
:12:21. > :12:24.free-trade agreement. You have to rely on the fact that despite the
:12:25. > :12:27.loss of the negotiations are unelected, the elected leaders of
:12:28. > :12:30.the EU will want a free-trade agreement because it's in their best
:12:31. > :12:33.interests. The wealth believes we could do an agreement by March 2019
:12:34. > :12:41.apart from the Government and Brexiteers? The opponents don't. I
:12:42. > :12:45.mean, if we're talking about businesses, groups of people and
:12:46. > :12:49.organisations in favour of Britain leaving the EU, the wealth believes
:12:50. > :12:54.we can realistically do it in that time frame? I can't pick somebody
:12:55. > :12:57.out for you but if you look at the work of the Licata instituted, they
:12:58. > :13:01.assembled as there is a trade negotiations from across the world
:13:02. > :13:06.and the universally said it was possible for the UK to do it. Michel
:13:07. > :13:10.Barnier is going to say that frictionless trade is not possible
:13:11. > :13:14.and that his negotiating position. We shouldn't fall for the line from
:13:15. > :13:18.the European Union, Britain will negotiate from its own standpoint.
:13:19. > :13:23.Of course, I will be the first to put my hand up and say I was wrong
:13:24. > :13:26.if we do get a free-trade agreement which has frictionless trade and the
:13:27. > :13:30.exact same benefits we get from single market membership and customs
:13:31. > :13:34.union membership. You would say that because you don't want it and you
:13:35. > :13:40.want is to stay in the single market and for many people that would mean
:13:41. > :13:43.we haven't left the EU. Yes, you would stand in opposition say is not
:13:44. > :13:47.possible because we want to try to persuade people away. The onus
:13:48. > :13:51.should be on the people who say is possible to prove it. You can prove
:13:52. > :13:55.what's possible with a single market, we have seen the trading
:13:56. > :13:59.benefits and you can quantify them. Just going around saying we can have
:14:00. > :14:01.the same benefit isn't the same as actually tangibly proving it. I
:14:02. > :14:08.don't think business agrees with it or anyone other than a hard group of
:14:09. > :14:12.Brexiteers does. Our business is valuable to the EU when you look at
:14:13. > :14:17.the trade deficit figures. They need us just as much, to some extent,
:14:18. > :14:22.than we need them. I'm not saying a deal isn't possible, I think it is
:14:23. > :14:27.possible, but is it possible by actually October 20 18th which is
:14:28. > :14:34.when we need to do it? And is it as good a deal as we have got now? I
:14:35. > :14:37.don't think so. Let's talk about the frictionless trade. You say about
:14:38. > :14:41.putting up tariffs rather than removing them but if tariffs did
:14:42. > :14:44.become imposed on certain goods, are you saying we would not be in a
:14:45. > :14:49.position where things would be held at the ports where, at the moment of
:14:50. > :14:53.course, we are part of a customs union and single market, goods
:14:54. > :14:58.travel freely and people but goods travel freely across the borders,
:14:59. > :15:01.cross the Channel, and we know hearing a bus yesterday, they could
:15:02. > :15:05.be held at the ports, we don't know the infrastructure to deal with
:15:06. > :15:09.that. That could cause chaos. I don't think that's true. We had the
:15:10. > :15:13.guy at the Inland Revenue dealing with all of this stuff in front of
:15:14. > :15:16.the Treasury committee before the election and he completely refuted
:15:17. > :15:20.that. We said will be need more space at Dover to store stuff? He
:15:21. > :15:26.said absolutely not because most of it is a electronically done, in
:15:27. > :15:30.advance, 95% of stuff goes through frictionless Lee, even from outside
:15:31. > :15:33.the EU, it passes through and he thinks the system could cope with a
:15:34. > :15:36.pretty well as they do with trade from outside the EU. Sony didn't
:15:37. > :15:42.seem to think it would be a problem identity White would be.
:15:43. > :15:49.How much pressure is there on David Davis and Liam Fox who is trying to
:15:50. > :15:54.put in place this free trade deal although he can't do them while we
:15:55. > :15:57.are negotiating, to try to say to people like James McGrory that the
:15:58. > :16:03.trade-off will be an advantage? This is about how pragmatic you can
:16:04. > :16:08.be in delivering Brexit which is the main task of the David Davis.
:16:09. > :16:13.What you have seen here is a variation on whether it is practical
:16:14. > :16:19.or impractical. David Davis is more aromatic than
:16:20. > :16:24.people would expect which is why he is popular amongst Tory members and
:16:25. > :16:28.business. He is try to work through the problem.
:16:29. > :16:34.Someone described it as 3D chess. You need the brain the size of a
:16:35. > :16:38.planet. It is a problem-solving issue.
:16:39. > :16:40.The most important thing for the Tory Government is delivering,
:16:41. > :16:47.making sure those people who voted get what they voted for.
:16:48. > :16:53.When we talk about a cliff edge, and if there were a situation where
:16:54. > :16:58.button did come out on WTO rules, the EU has two operate by those
:16:59. > :17:03.rules, they cannot maliciously take action that would harm Britain.
:17:04. > :17:10.What is the problem? I agree with me Barnier who was honest enough to say
:17:11. > :17:16.it is the worst of a lose - lose situation. This is no deal is better
:17:17. > :17:21.than a bad deal rancher... It is the equivalent of either you do this or
:17:22. > :17:26.I will shoot myself in the head and you in the foot.
:17:27. > :17:32.Is that the worst situation? Of course not. The huge amount of
:17:33. > :17:38.our trade is done on WTO rules. Our second biggest market is the USA.
:17:39. > :17:46.You are not going to take a penal deal over no deal. We need to be
:17:47. > :17:52.clear. There is a lot of rhetoric from Michel Barnier, some from our
:17:53. > :17:56.side. Cabinet Minister is reported to say
:17:57. > :18:02.Liam Fox is struggling to find a way of balancing losses.
:18:03. > :18:06.Negotiating sides are trying to find the moving parts in positions. The
:18:07. > :18:11.deal won't become clear for another year.
:18:12. > :18:14.It will have to become clear in a year.
:18:15. > :18:21.These things get done at the end. That is true. At the moment they are
:18:22. > :18:27.sounding each other out. We can fume which makes good TV, the truth is we
:18:28. > :18:27.won't know the real position for another few months.
:18:28. > :18:29.Thank you very much. The Palace Of Westminster
:18:30. > :18:33.is to undergo something of a makeover this weekend when it
:18:34. > :18:36.will be lit up in rainbow The annual festival is already
:18:37. > :18:42.underway, with the biggest parade set to make its way
:18:43. > :18:47.through the capital on Saturday. The decision to light up Parliament
:18:48. > :18:49.marks 50 years since the part-decriminalisation
:18:50. > :18:51.of homosexuality in since the presentation
:18:52. > :18:58.of the Wolfenden Report in 1957, where the Government
:18:59. > :18:59.said homosexuality The House Of Lords has
:19:00. > :19:04.been behind the move. The Lord Speaker Norman
:19:05. > :19:15.Fowler joins me now. Welcome back to the Daily Politics.
:19:16. > :19:18.Why are you lighting up the House Of Lords like this?
:19:19. > :19:23.I hope it is a symbol of those people who are still in this country
:19:24. > :19:30.being discriminated against, and certainly I hope a symbol outside
:19:31. > :19:33.this country to all those countries where homosexuality is illegal,
:19:34. > :19:38.people are prosecuted, and other countries like Russia where they
:19:39. > :19:44.simply pushed to the bottom. It is to say here at Westminster we not
:19:45. > :19:49.only take this seriously, we act and support you.
:19:50. > :19:54.Have you been slow off the mark? Same-sex marriage was passed in 2013
:19:55. > :19:59.yet the LGBT flag only flew from portcullis last year. Has not been
:20:00. > :20:02.done to raise awareness, commemorate the fights are gay rights in
:20:03. > :20:06.Parliament? Never enough has been done but we
:20:07. > :20:13.have been making dramatic progress. You mentioned equal marriage. That
:20:14. > :20:18.was a very, very substantial move forward. What was interesting about
:20:19. > :20:23.that is, we expected the House Of Commons to approve it but, in
:20:24. > :20:26.percentage terms, the House Of Lords voted more than the House Of
:20:27. > :20:32.Commons. Does this showed the House Of Lords
:20:33. > :20:36.is more enlightened? More than people expected, there is
:20:37. > :20:46.a myth the House Of Lords is full of Tory backwoods men. But, actually,
:20:47. > :20:50.it proved last year it has a lot of younger members forward-thinking
:20:51. > :20:57.members. Fowler deserves credit, when he was a Cabinet Minister in
:20:58. > :21:01.the 1980s he ran the campaign on AIDS and way back then politicians
:21:02. > :21:05.were treating this seriously even at a time when Margaret Thatcher was
:21:06. > :21:10.talking about section 28 and gay people felt persecuted.
:21:11. > :21:13.There were lots of worthwhile campaigns and organisations would
:21:14. > :21:17.like to promote the work they are doing. Is there a danger you are
:21:18. > :21:23.under pressure to symbolically commemorate all sorts of things or
:21:24. > :21:29.does this stand out on its own? In a sense, this is a question of
:21:30. > :21:34.human rights. Here, people are being discriminated against. We are
:21:35. > :21:39.talking about stigma and giving people equal rights. That does
:21:40. > :21:43.perhaps mark it out from other campaigns. There is no reason we
:21:44. > :21:48.can't do other campaigns but I don't think, we don't want to have
:21:49. > :21:52.campaigns of this kind every week. It is notable this is the first time
:21:53. > :21:58.we have had a campaign like that on the front of the House Of Lords.
:21:59. > :22:01.Mentioning B DUP and arrangements with the Government, what does it
:22:02. > :22:07.say about the UK Parliament at a time when there is this deal between
:22:08. > :22:11.the Government and a Northern Irish party which is against same-sex
:22:12. > :22:17.marriage legislation? As you know I am totally independent
:22:18. > :22:24.in all these things. Except I did press strongly for equal marriage.
:22:25. > :22:28.It is a free vote issue. It won't come as any surprise to the DUP that
:22:29. > :22:33.I don't agree for one moment with their position. There we are. There
:22:34. > :22:39.are still people in this country, it is the whole point of what we are
:22:40. > :22:43.doing, leave aside equal marriage, who are antagonistic to gay people.
:22:44. > :22:50.We have to seek to convert them to the fact that gay people have equal
:22:51. > :22:52.rights to everyone else. Thank you for coming in.
:22:53. > :22:55.There's just time for our run-down of the political week,
:22:56. > :23:14.On Monday, James Brokenshire said a deal at Stormont was achievable.
:23:15. > :23:21.Kensington and Chelsea Council announced a new leader by the
:23:22. > :23:25.Government sent in a task force. The year after his enquire into the
:23:26. > :23:29.Aragua, Sir John Chilcot said Tony Blair was not straight with the
:23:30. > :23:32.nation about his decisions in the run-up to the conflict.
:23:33. > :23:38.President Trump and present Putin are meeting in Hamburg. There were
:23:39. > :23:43.angry scenes outside with the so-called welcome to help Arch
:23:44. > :23:49.attended by 20,000. The former head of BBC Westminster
:23:50. > :23:52.Robbie Gibb has flipped jobs to become the new director of
:23:53. > :23:56.communications for Theresa May. You could say out of the frying pan and
:23:57. > :23:59.into the fire. Nicholas Soames posted a picture of
:24:00. > :24:11.himself stabbing, which makes him really call, apparently. -- dabbing.
:24:12. > :24:18.We have a week and a half until recess, some say that is what
:24:19. > :24:23.Theresa May has it to do, make it to recess. Is her position is safe in
:24:24. > :24:30.the short term? Safe until July 20 shall we say.
:24:31. > :24:35.Mid-ranking Tory ministers are thinking, she is doing so much
:24:36. > :24:39.damage to our brand, Labour are leading in the polls, Shikhar remain
:24:40. > :24:45.for the foreseeable future. They are talking about before or after
:24:46. > :24:49.conference. David Davis has been important in
:24:50. > :24:56.the Brexit negotiations but he famously said, when he was appointed
:24:57. > :24:59.to cabinet, this is my last job in Government, in politics. Did he mean
:25:00. > :25:04.my last job in politics is delivering Brexit in which case he
:25:05. > :25:11.could be Prime Minister? People suspect it was the fact he has this
:25:12. > :25:14.one national mission. If so, it seems quite implausible, a Prime
:25:15. > :25:23.Minister who was not a Brexiteer, Tory MP is -- Tory MPs believe they
:25:24. > :25:27.need an out and out Brexiteer. There is a feeling Tory MPs are
:25:28. > :25:31.united by the fact they want to keep the Tories in Government and not
:25:32. > :25:34.lead to a situation where Jeremy Corbyn leading the Labour Party
:25:35. > :25:39.could take over. That is the most terrifying thing
:25:40. > :25:43.from this opinion poll. Backbenchers saying there is no way we can have a
:25:44. > :25:49.general election. Not until after Brexit. And the British public
:25:50. > :25:57.wouldn't really want a general election right now. As Brenda in
:25:58. > :26:04.Bristol made it clear to all of us. That is priced in. But who will
:26:05. > :26:09.emerge as David Davis's main rival. There aren't that many potential
:26:10. > :26:24.people in the field. Amber Rudd has been talked about,
:26:25. > :26:28.and there are some bright eyed young contenders.
:26:29. > :26:31.Jeremy Corbyn has consolidated his grip on the Labour Party.
:26:32. > :26:36.How are they going to do that? Is there a threat to some Labour MPs to
:26:37. > :26:42.fall into line or risk being deselected?
:26:43. > :26:46.We have had mixed messages. Ian Lavery the chair made clear to us he
:26:47. > :26:49.wanted to look again at the reflection rules for Labour MPs.
:26:50. > :27:07.Nobody had talked about it. Somehow members would force sitting
:27:08. > :27:15.MPs to be reselected. That is being reviewed.
:27:16. > :27:20.Jeremy himself is allowing his lieutenants to ride both forces, on
:27:21. > :27:26.the one hand, hardliners like Chris Williamson, and Ian Lavery has
:27:27. > :27:32.changed his vision saying we are a genuine broad church. We don't need
:27:33. > :27:36.to change reselection rules very much.
:27:37. > :27:42.The report some Labour MPs are being asked to apologise over criticism
:27:43. > :27:52.for Jeremy Corbyn, it is hard to see how you marry both sides.
:27:53. > :27:56.It is difficult. A lot of MPs who were critical of
:27:57. > :28:02.Jeremy Corbyn are coming under pressure from their members.
:28:03. > :28:07.I detect a sense of pragmatism. We talked about it with the Tory Party,
:28:08. > :28:15.the same for the Labour Party, MPs saying we don't need another row.
:28:16. > :28:20.The question is, first the next Labour conference, will this be
:28:21. > :28:24.raised? There's just time before we go
:28:25. > :28:27.to find out the answer to our quiz. What does the French
:28:28. > :28:30.Government want to ban? The answer is the sale
:28:31. > :28:38.of cars using an internal combustion engine, which will be
:28:39. > :28:43.outlawed from 2040 in France. Thanks to Paul Waugh
:28:44. > :28:48.and all my guests. Andrew will be back
:28:49. > :28:50.on Sunday on BBC One at 11, And I'll be back here
:28:51. > :28:54.on BBC Two on Monday, but I don't, like,
:28:55. > :29:13.love it as much as Lucy. MAN: What makes you two make
:29:14. > :29:16.different from each other?