:00:38. > :00:41.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.
:00:42. > :00:43.Theresa May tells MPs she won't agree a Brexit
:00:44. > :00:47.transitional deal until a future trade deal is agreed first.
:00:48. > :00:50.So, are we edging closer to no deal and what does
:00:51. > :00:56.A Labour MP who ousted former Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg
:00:57. > :00:58.in Sheffield Hallam is accused of sexist and homophobic
:00:59. > :01:02.He's apologised and says he's a reformed man.
:01:03. > :01:08.But, has he really changed his views?
:01:09. > :01:11.President Donald Trump has called it one of "the worst deals in history".
:01:12. > :01:14.But yesterday foreign Secretary Boris Johnson urged
:01:15. > :01:18.Western nations to keep committed to the Iran nuclear deal.
:01:19. > :01:23.With US support going cold, is it time to ditch the deal?
:01:24. > :01:28.Then there's a new parliamentary grouping just for you.
:01:29. > :01:31.Young Tories in the House of Commons are clubbing together
:01:32. > :01:45.All that in the next hour and with us for the whole
:01:46. > :01:47.of the programme today is writer and commentator Melanie Phillips.
:01:48. > :01:56.First, a report out today says an estimated 850 men,
:01:57. > :02:00.women and children left Britain for Syria and Iraq and around half
:02:01. > :02:06.The report by the New York think tank, the Soufan Centre,
:02:07. > :02:09.says so-called "returnees" may be particularly vulnerable
:02:10. > :02:25.Melanie, what would you suggest? I am very surprised that this country
:02:26. > :02:30.is allowing them back at all. I think once they are back it is very
:02:31. > :02:35.difficult to deal with them. We know the security services are grossly
:02:36. > :02:40.overstretched already, we know it cannot monitor adequately all the
:02:41. > :02:44.known terrorist sympathisers in the country, and yet we have people
:02:45. > :02:49.going to fight in Syria who must be presumed to be a danger to the
:02:50. > :02:53.country and consequently this seems to me beyond perverse that we allow
:02:54. > :02:58.them back in the first place. You seemed to be a danger to this
:02:59. > :03:02.country and that means we do not know. You concede that, so how can
:03:03. > :03:07.we stop British citizens coming back to their country of origin if they
:03:08. > :03:12.claim that they went out to Iraq and Syria on humanitarian grounds or
:03:13. > :03:16.because they thought they could help? If they do claim that, that
:03:17. > :03:20.should be taken seriously and we should look very carefully at their
:03:21. > :03:26.circumstances. Although you said you would not like them to come back in
:03:27. > :03:30.the first place? I think the figures that we now have combat suggest we
:03:31. > :03:36.are not simply allowing that people who are saying they are there for
:03:37. > :03:40.humanitarian purposes and mean it. We are allowing them back on the
:03:41. > :03:45.basis we presume it is OK and consequently I think there are
:03:46. > :03:49.presumably very few people going there for humanitarian purposes. I
:03:50. > :03:53.would guess a large proportion of those people will fight for one
:03:54. > :03:58.group or another and it makes them a risk to the country. But as you say,
:03:59. > :04:02.some of those people who went out to Iraq and Syria say they were
:04:03. > :04:07.fighting against IS for one of the other groups. Again we do not know.
:04:08. > :04:11.There are international laws that do protect people in the field of
:04:12. > :04:15.combat and when they come back and they should have a trial. If there
:04:16. > :04:20.is enough evidence, they should be prosecuted. Is that not the way
:04:21. > :04:27.forward? You cannot get evidence for a criminal trial if it is not a
:04:28. > :04:32.theatre of war. If it is a theatre of war, you cannot easily get that
:04:33. > :04:37.evidence. The people who go to fight are either fighting for Isis or
:04:38. > :04:42.against Isis. If they are fighting against Isis, they are fighting in
:04:43. > :04:45.groups that I still nevertheless a danger to this country. The
:04:46. > :04:50.presumption must be a majority are a danger to this country. You would
:04:51. > :04:54.like them to be monitored or stopped coming back here, in other words
:04:55. > :05:00.having their passports taken? Yes, once they go, that is it. The
:05:01. > :05:03.Foreign Office Minister said on Sunday that the only way of dealing
:05:04. > :05:09.with them would be in almost every case to kill them, sorry the
:05:10. > :05:15.international development minister, do you agree? He was talking about
:05:16. > :05:19.those fighting with Isis. Do you agree with him? He clarified it by
:05:20. > :05:25.saying they were out in the field, do you agree? How did he clarify
:05:26. > :05:32.that? He said there are rules about enemy, tense. Yes, it is a bit of a
:05:33. > :05:36.stretch to say anyone who is there must be killed. But I think what he
:05:37. > :05:41.was probably trying to say, and I have not seen his clarification, and
:05:42. > :05:48.this is my interpretation, but I would guess anyone who goes to fight
:05:49. > :05:52.with Isis will be treated with as an enemy, tense and will be treated as
:05:53. > :05:56.somebody fighting in a theatre of war, rather than someone who will be
:05:57. > :06:00.arrested nicely and brought back to trial. In other words they will be
:06:01. > :06:04.killed. His clarification was that anybody who is an enemy, ten will be
:06:05. > :06:10.treated in accordance with the rules of war. Absolutely, and they are
:06:11. > :06:14.incorporated into the rules of international war and they are the
:06:15. > :06:17.rules of war and not the rules of peace and they go to fight in a
:06:18. > :06:19.theatre of war and they stand the risk of being killed.
:06:20. > :06:25.The question for today is, which of these pictures
:06:26. > :06:35.Take a look at these pictures. Jeremy Corbyn features. At the end
:06:36. > :06:39.of the show Melanie will give us the correct answer.
:06:40. > :06:41.Yesterday Theresa May updated MPs on Brexit
:06:42. > :06:46.She said there will be no "implementation period"
:06:47. > :06:49.unless the UK settles its "future partnership" first.
:06:50. > :06:53.So, what does that mean for businesses preparing for Brexit?
:06:54. > :06:56.And do the Prime Minister's comments suggest the UK is edging
:06:57. > :07:08.Meanwhile the president of the European Council, Donald Tusk, has
:07:09. > :07:12.been speaking in Strasbourg this morning. He said the remaining EU
:07:13. > :07:13.countries will be defeated in the Brexit talks unless they continue to
:07:14. > :07:16.Brexit talks unless they continue to show unity.
:07:17. > :07:19.Ahead of us is still the toughest stress test.
:07:20. > :07:22.If we fail it, negotiations will end in our defeat.
:07:23. > :07:27.We must keep our unity regardless of the direction of the talks.
:07:28. > :07:30.The EU will be able to rise to every scenario, as long
:07:31. > :07:37.It is in fact up to London how this ends.
:07:38. > :07:43.With a good deal, no deal, no Brexit.
:07:44. > :07:48.But, in each of the scenarios, we will protect our common interest
:07:49. > :07:55.Well Theresa May has been having her own de-brief
:07:56. > :08:08.Yesterday in the House of commons she was asked about a potential
:08:09. > :08:08.implementation period by the former Conservative leader Iain Duncan
:08:09. > :08:10.Smith. May I say to my right honourable
:08:11. > :08:14.friend that she may wish to answer some of those uncertainties
:08:15. > :08:15.by reminding them that she cannot have an agreement
:08:16. > :08:18.on an implementation period until you have something
:08:19. > :08:21.to implement first and foremost. Secondly, could she explain
:08:22. > :08:24.that during the course of her discussions, the private ones
:08:25. > :08:28.she had, the ones that the acting president of the European union
:08:29. > :08:31.Martin Selmayr hasn't actually put into the papers, but the private
:08:32. > :08:39.discussions, could she just say whether she reminded her colleagues
:08:40. > :08:42.in the European Union that to reach a proper free trade arrangement,
:08:43. > :08:44.they will need to have concluded those discussions before
:08:45. > :08:47.the summer of next year, otherwise it will be difficult
:08:48. > :08:50.to get those through in time both Did she get an answer, therefore,
:08:51. > :08:59.about when they might like to start? Well, can I say, I thank my right
:09:00. > :09:02.noble friend because he's absolutely right, as we have said on a number
:09:03. > :09:05.of occasions, the point of the implementation period
:09:06. > :09:08.is to put in place the practical changes necessary to move
:09:09. > :09:10.to future partnership and, in order to have that,
:09:11. > :09:13.you need to know where that future He asks about, I have, obviously,
:09:14. > :09:18.in my discussions with other leaders raised the issue of the timetable
:09:19. > :09:22.that we have, of course, the ultimate timetable that was set
:09:23. > :09:25.by the Lisbon Treaty and my right honourable friend talks
:09:26. > :09:29.about knowing the details Of course, Michel Barnier himself
:09:30. > :09:34.has suggested October 2018 might be the point by which it
:09:35. > :09:38.would be necessary to know that but my right honourable friend
:09:39. > :09:40.is absolutely right that, of course, there will need to be a period
:09:41. > :09:53.of time for ratification Theresa May in the Commons
:09:54. > :09:59.yesterday. I am joined by Chris Leslie for Labour and Nadhim Zahawi
:10:00. > :10:04.for the Conservatives. The Prime Minister has got a point. What is
:10:05. > :10:07.the point of having an implementation period if there is
:10:08. > :10:14.nothing to implement? I think the Florence speech, now well-known, set
:10:15. > :10:20.out that the Prime Minister was making the notion of a transition.
:10:21. > :10:24.Lots of businesses and the financial services have been saying unless we
:10:25. > :10:30.get a sense in January or February that we have some certainty, there
:10:31. > :10:34.will not be a cliff edge in March 2019, then they will have no choice
:10:35. > :10:39.but to start thinking about relocating to Frankfurt or Dublin or
:10:40. > :10:43.elsewhere, to stay in that wider EU market. We have been getting this
:10:44. > :10:49.impression, that if not this European Council, then the December
:10:50. > :10:54.one smoke might emerge and we might get a sense that there is certainty
:10:55. > :10:57.and a transition. It now turns out the Prime Minister is saying nothing
:10:58. > :11:01.is agreed until everything is agreed. This means businesses will
:11:02. > :11:05.have to wait until this time next year to know there might be some
:11:06. > :11:10.sort of smooth phase will stop that is too late and it is a massive
:11:11. > :11:14.disappointment, particularly for the CBI, the Federation for small
:11:15. > :11:18.businesses, the British Chambers of commerce, they were all writing to
:11:19. > :11:22.the Prime Minister and saying we have got to know that this
:11:23. > :11:25.transition is certain. Are you massively disappointed by what the
:11:26. > :11:30.Prime Minister said, or do you welcome the fact the UK could be
:11:31. > :11:34.moving closer to no deal? I am not disappointed. Chris and some of his
:11:35. > :11:37.colleagues wanted to stay in the EU and ignore the results of the
:11:38. > :11:43.referendum. Other colleagues want some fudge. I think the Prime
:11:44. > :11:47.Minister is correct, to say we are entering these negotiations with
:11:48. > :11:52.lots of goodwill and we have got lots of position papers and we are
:11:53. > :11:55.making progress on things like EU citizens living in the UK and
:11:56. > :12:00.British citizens living in Europe, loss progress on Northern Ireland,
:12:01. > :12:04.lots of progress on the money, which is important to countries that
:12:05. > :12:09.contributes so much. What is the evidence of making so much progress
:12:10. > :12:20.on the money? You have to listen to the EU and Donald Tusk said so. Once
:12:21. > :12:24.we can go through line by line and scrutinise the money, the money is
:12:25. > :12:29.the easiest to solve for us. Would you be prepared to see more money
:12:30. > :12:33.put on the table at this stage to move ahead? At the right time when
:12:34. > :12:39.we go through it line by line. I think the easiest thing to solve is
:12:40. > :12:42.the money. You cannot for example have a settlement for Ireland and
:12:43. > :12:47.Northern Ireland without having a trade agreement in place. Once you
:12:48. > :12:49.have that then you can talk about the implementation period. You
:12:50. > :12:56.cannot implement something that does not exist. There is a very strong
:12:57. > :13:00.intellectual anchor to the Prime Minister's position. Labour are in
:13:01. > :13:06.denial. Some of them want to say they are in favour... This is way
:13:07. > :13:12.past the point of party politics. Listen... Is this about keeping this
:13:13. > :13:16.country in the single market and in a customs union with the EU in
:13:17. > :13:21.perpetuity. You have called for a condition deal of around two years
:13:22. > :13:25.to be written onto the face of the EU withdrawal bill. You are
:13:26. > :13:30.committed to us staying in the EU for a further two years in effect.
:13:31. > :13:36.Why should people believe that you do not want that to carry on? I am
:13:37. > :13:40.clear, I personally think leaving the European Union and the single
:13:41. > :13:44.market and the customs union is damaging for our economy. But we are
:13:45. > :13:48.in the business of growing up out of our party political tramlines and
:13:49. > :13:52.trying to find some consensus in Parliament that can protect these
:13:53. > :13:58.core elements. If that means I have to compromise and say we will have a
:13:59. > :14:02.transitional period, I will vote for that. There is a majority in the
:14:03. > :14:07.House of commons that recognises the alarm bells that are ringing for the
:14:08. > :14:11.business community and we have to achieve this. If we stick in our
:14:12. > :14:16.party political tramlines, this thing will be a total disaster. Why
:14:17. > :14:22.in her Florence speech did Theresa May propose a condition of about two
:14:23. > :14:28.years in order to calm business? She has changed her position. She has
:14:29. > :14:32.not. She has. She is still working for a good deal, but we are talking
:14:33. > :14:39.in the hypothetical that there is no deal. Do you think there is time for
:14:40. > :14:45.a trade deal by autumn next year? Yes, I will. Michel Barnier does not
:14:46. > :14:50.agree. We have been in the EU for decades and we already trade very
:14:51. > :14:54.freely with the EU and as long as we agree on money, Northern Ireland,
:14:55. > :15:00.British citizens, EU citizens, we could have a trade deal reasonably
:15:01. > :15:03.quickly. I came out of the world of business, Chris talks about it, you
:15:04. > :15:10.do not go into a negotiation saying I will take any deal. They will walk
:15:11. > :15:14.all over you. Everybody understands this is a negotiation and you have
:15:15. > :15:19.to get the best deal, but the business community are worried about
:15:20. > :15:24.that cliff edge in March 2000 and 19. You do not get around that by
:15:25. > :15:27.rolling over. The Florence speech gave the impression to the banks and
:15:28. > :15:31.businesses that have been talking to me and you that they were going to
:15:32. > :15:35.have some certainty, that there would be a smooth arrangement.
:15:36. > :15:39.Whatever the final settlement is going to be. Now we get the
:15:40. > :15:44.impression they will not get that until the 11th hour and that is a
:15:45. > :15:47.real danger to our economy. We should rise out of the tramlines
:15:48. > :15:53.that we have got and start to work together.
:15:54. > :16:00.That's a misrepresentation of the position. We are negotiating in good
:16:01. > :16:04.faith and we will get a good deal but we have to plan for no deal
:16:05. > :16:11.because if you can't walk away from a deal, you will be walked all over.
:16:12. > :16:16.If there isn't a trade deal and actually Michel Barnier, the unit
:16:17. > :16:22.goes to, who has had that he thinks it will take three years, wouldn't
:16:23. > :16:26.be completed until December 2020, you enter a transitional phase of
:16:27. > :16:33.two years, what leverage what the UK have to get any sort of deal? I
:16:34. > :16:37.don't think it should be about the alpha leverage question. We have a
:16:38. > :16:42.relationship that we want to continue, need to continue, they
:16:43. > :16:46.need to continue with ours as well and we should be looking at this as
:16:47. > :16:51.grown-ups are thinking about mutual interests rather than posturing and
:16:52. > :16:56.flag-waving. In the way that the dinner conversation was leaked
:16:57. > :17:00.describing the Prime Minister begging for help? Jean-Claude
:17:01. > :17:05.Juncker has denied that was him. If we approach this as children rather
:17:06. > :17:10.than as adults, if we approach this in a way that rips up the benefits
:17:11. > :17:13.of our single market membership, upon which so many jobs are
:17:14. > :17:17.dependent, we are going to be falling into a recessionary
:17:18. > :17:25.situation all because of a politicking in this way. The divorce
:17:26. > :17:30.Bill hasn't been settled yet. We've heard there has been progress on the
:17:31. > :17:36.money, on the rights of citizens, how likely do you think a trade deal
:17:37. > :17:40.is going to happen before March 2019? Very likely for this reason
:17:41. > :17:46.because it is absolutely not in the interests of the EU not to have it.
:17:47. > :17:53.We can walk away. I don't think that no deal is the disaster that is
:17:54. > :17:59.being painted. WTO rules, may have some disadvantages but may have many
:18:00. > :18:05.advantages. Worst case scenario, WTO rules. Worst case scenario for the
:18:06. > :18:11.EU is a whopping great hole in their finances of 50 billion euros
:18:12. > :18:15.upwards. They cannot survive that. It is absolutely in their interests
:18:16. > :18:19.to do a deal. It may be at the last minute. I don't know. I'm pretty
:18:20. > :18:24.sure it can be done quite quickly. Britain has the cards in its hand.
:18:25. > :18:27.Chris Leslie says it shouldn't be about leverage which he seems to
:18:28. > :18:33.think is some kind of macho posturing. Negotiating is all about
:18:34. > :18:37.leverage. The first rule of a negotiator is that you say what you
:18:38. > :18:42.want and if you don't give it to me, I'm out of here. There are certain
:18:43. > :18:46.people who can afford to walk away whose lives won't be affected by the
:18:47. > :18:52.catastrophe of ripping up trade alliances. Why is it a catastrophe
:18:53. > :18:57.to negotiate our own alliances. Practically speaking, if you are a
:18:58. > :19:03.service industry, in manufacturing, if you end up with tariffs, ten, 20,
:19:04. > :19:07.30% on those products, it isn't going to be the management of those
:19:08. > :19:12.firms that lose out, all though they will do, it will be the working
:19:13. > :19:16.people of this country. So you will except any deal that the EU puts
:19:17. > :19:20.forward to is in order to ensure that trade relationship? I
:19:21. > :19:24.personally think that no deal is about the worst situation that you
:19:25. > :19:28.can possibly get. We have to find a way of salvaging the relationships
:19:29. > :19:35.we have got. The Clinton, pull up the drawbridge scenario is a
:19:36. > :19:40.complete disaster. How much money should the UK be spending now to
:19:41. > :19:44.prepare for no deal? First of all, we're not going for no deal, we are
:19:45. > :19:48.going for a good deal but it is an option. We look specifically at the
:19:49. > :19:52.Foreign Affairs Committee at what would happen if there is a no deal.
:19:53. > :19:56.Yes, it will be very difficult for the UK economy but it will be
:19:57. > :20:00.equally difficult for the European economy and the reason why is we
:20:01. > :20:05.inject ?70 billion per year in the month. We buy a lot. We import a lot
:20:06. > :20:10.from Europe. They do not want to lose that. How much should the UK
:20:11. > :20:19.Government spend on preparing for no deal? This is the point, I think
:20:20. > :20:28.Chris is defeatist on this. Age -- 82% of our economy is financial. We
:20:29. > :20:38.have leverage when it comes to infrastructure, building 300,000
:20:39. > :20:43.homes,... How much money should be be putting behind it? We can do a
:20:44. > :20:49.lot of that and make sure our economy is really vibrant. This is
:20:50. > :20:53.blind face. Just try our best. Look at the data. Look at what the
:20:54. > :21:00.business organisations are saying. I am from the business world. Not any
:21:01. > :21:05.more. Is the government spending enough on no deal? Philip Hammond is
:21:06. > :21:13.doing the right thing to make sure our economy is insulated in the
:21:14. > :21:16.scenario of no deal. But we have enough leverage. They do not want is
:21:17. > :21:19.to walk away with no deal. That is my view.
:21:20. > :21:22.Now, last night the Labour MP, Jared O'Mara quit the parliamentary
:21:23. > :21:31.Women and Equalities Committee after a series of offensive comments
:21:32. > :21:34.he made a decade ago came to light and were published
:21:35. > :21:39.Jared O'Mara, who ousted the former deputy prime minister Nick Clegg
:21:40. > :21:42.from his Sheffield Hallam seat in June said, "I am deeply ashamed
:21:43. > :21:49.The Conservative MP Sarah Wollaston tweeted, "Hard to see how anyone
:21:50. > :21:52.with his views was selected and retains the Labour whip.
:21:53. > :21:55.Sheffield Hallam deserves a by-election."
:21:56. > :21:59.But last night after Jared O'Mara addressed
:22:00. > :22:02.the Parliamentary Labour Party and apologised for his comments,
:22:03. > :22:05.his fellow Labour MP Wes Streeting said, "The battle for equality
:22:06. > :22:08.is increasingly a battle for hearts and minds and that must surely mean
:22:09. > :22:14.that people are allowed to change their views
:22:15. > :22:19.I hope I don't end up eating my words and that Jared
:22:20. > :22:20.demonstrates his commitment to equality through his
:22:21. > :22:34.We have spoken to one of Jared O'Mara's constituents who met in in
:22:35. > :22:39.March this year just a few months before he was elected. Sophie Evans
:22:40. > :22:43.who worked in a bar in the city said he used abusive and sexist language
:22:44. > :22:49.towards her and a friend. I axed her if she were surprised by the latest
:22:50. > :22:53.revelations. This interview contained potentially offensive
:22:54. > :22:57.language. I wasn't surprised he said it. It came as no shock to me that
:22:58. > :23:08.he would say things like that at all. Why do you say that? How do you
:23:09. > :23:13.know him? Why do you say that? I met him on a dating app. It didn't
:23:14. > :23:18.really work out. There were no hard feelings. He was a DJ at a club in
:23:19. > :23:22.Sheffield. I saw him from time to time. There was an incident in March
:23:23. > :23:30.this year. He showed his true colours. What did he actually say to
:23:31. > :23:35.you? Some of the things aren't broadcast the ball. There were some
:23:36. > :23:47.trans-phobic slurs in there. He called me an ugly pitch. He said
:23:48. > :23:55.that he was wrong to make the comments on live. He apologises for
:23:56. > :23:59.is an acceptable language. He made the comments as a young man in a
:24:00. > :24:06.particularly difficult period of his life, he says. Do you believe he is
:24:07. > :24:10.changed? Absolutely not. Fair enough for him to have said that 15 years
:24:11. > :24:15.ago but he won't even acknowledge something that happened seven months
:24:16. > :24:19.ago. He never apologised to me or my friends that were involved in the
:24:20. > :24:27.situation. He has called as liars in the press. He has been on radio and
:24:28. > :24:34.called as liars. I just find it very hard to believe that he has changed.
:24:35. > :24:38.I think he thinks we won't affect his political career. We are just
:24:39. > :24:40.workers at a backstreet pub. We couldn't have any impact on him.
:24:41. > :24:42.Sophie Evans. Well, we did ask Jared O'Mara
:24:43. > :24:45.to come on the programme today, Labour MP Chris Leslie
:24:46. > :24:55.is still with us. Do you still believe he is a
:24:56. > :24:59.reformed character? It's very difficult. I don't really know him
:25:00. > :25:04.very well. He was only recently elected. I haven't had any dealings
:25:05. > :25:09.with him. I was at the Parliamentary Labour Party last night. He made a
:25:10. > :25:14.statement to the PLP about reports that had been circulating yesterday.
:25:15. > :25:19.In a general situation, I personally think we are in an Iraq now
:25:20. > :25:23.particularly when women are feeling that it is difficult to come forward
:25:24. > :25:26.with confidence and talk about situations, I think we have to
:25:27. > :25:34.applaud people for coming forward and reporting circumstances. We've
:25:35. > :25:38.just heard the report there. I think, you know, any individual has
:25:39. > :25:46.to show by their behaviour that there are attitudes are not of that
:25:47. > :25:49.character. It was certainly right that he left the quality select
:25:50. > :25:53.committee of the House of Commons. I think he's got to answer allegations
:25:54. > :25:58.as they come forward. It's difficult for me to say much more than that.
:25:59. > :26:02.Is it enough to have quit the women and equality 's committee as a
:26:03. > :26:07.result of comments he said he made 15 years ago and he says he isn't
:26:08. > :26:10.that person when we have now heard from Sophie Evans abusive language
:26:11. > :26:16.that was made to her just a few months before he was elected? If
:26:17. > :26:21.allegations are made and they are proven or accent in any institution,
:26:22. > :26:28.politics, broadcasting, we've seen of course recently in the film
:26:29. > :26:31.industry, other in the issues. If they are proven or accepted, there
:26:32. > :26:35.have to be consequences for the individual. We can't be in a
:26:36. > :26:39.position where people say they can make excuses or apologise and
:26:40. > :26:44.everything is glossed over. There has to be processes that are gone
:26:45. > :26:48.through here. That's why I'm reluctant to intercede in this
:26:49. > :26:54.particular case. It's not enough to simply make excuses and move on.
:26:55. > :26:57.That is the important thing. If we do that, people will feel that they
:26:58. > :27:01.can't come forward and talk about people in positions of power. We
:27:02. > :27:05.have to give people confidence to make reports of these things. What
:27:06. > :27:10.do you think the Labour Party should do now on the basis of that report
:27:11. > :27:14.from Sophie Evans? Any allegations have to be explored and put people
:27:15. > :27:17.and we have a system in the House of Commons if people within our
:27:18. > :27:22.political party for out of the conduct of that which is expected,
:27:23. > :27:29.then there are consequences that flow from that. Should he lose the
:27:30. > :27:34.web? I'm not involved in educating on these things. There are a basket
:27:35. > :27:39.of consequences that can come. If your conduct. Of the standards
:27:40. > :27:47.expected. Are you shocked by the use of language? Yes. I think if these
:27:48. > :27:53.allegations are true it is inconsistent to deprive him of his
:27:54. > :27:57.plays on the place on the equality 's committee and let him keep the
:27:58. > :28:04.labour whip. The question is are they true. Does he still think like
:28:05. > :28:10.that? He says he regrets it all. People should be allowed a second
:28:11. > :28:14.chance. First of all, the extremity of the language that he used and the
:28:15. > :28:19.frequency with which he seems to have used it, as he admitted 15
:28:20. > :28:23.years ago, would suggest that this wasn't some aberration and I don't
:28:24. > :28:29.buy this I was going through a difficult period, nobody should talk
:28:30. > :28:34.to people like that about anybody. This seems to be something in his
:28:35. > :28:37.personality rather than just something in his youth. With more
:28:38. > :28:42.allegations coming forward, it has to be put into the mix. It doesn't
:28:43. > :28:46.look very good from the point of view of him saying I'm reformed and
:28:47. > :28:51.deeply regretted. Anyone can say that faced with the prospect of
:28:52. > :28:55.losing the whip. People again to say anything in those circumstances. We
:28:56. > :28:59.can't put too much on his apology. One has to look at everything in the
:29:00. > :29:03.round. It may be that when the Labour Party does that, they cannot
:29:04. > :29:05.entertain him as a Labour member of Parliament.
:29:06. > :29:08.Now, the 2015 Iran nuclear deal lifted economic sanctions in return
:29:09. > :29:10.for curbs to the country's controversial nuclear
:29:11. > :29:17.It's aim was to stop Iran using their energy programme
:29:18. > :29:19.to create a nuclear weapon and it marked the jewel
:29:20. > :29:22.in the crown of Barack Obama's foreign policy agenda.
:29:23. > :29:25.But, with President Trump calling it "one of the worst deals" he's ever
:29:26. > :29:28.seen and promising to ditch the deal, where does this leave
:29:29. > :29:31.the agreement and the UK's foreign policy relationship with Iran?
:29:32. > :29:34.Let's take a look at what Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson
:29:35. > :29:42.To grasp the importance of the joint, comprehensive plan
:29:43. > :29:45.of action we should remember that just before it was signed in 2015,
:29:46. > :29:49.Iran had enough centrifuges and low enriched uranium to be only months
:29:50. > :29:55.away from producing the essential material for at least
:29:56. > :30:02.Let us remember what the consequences would have been
:30:03. > :30:07.for Iran and the world if Teheran had gone down that road,
:30:08. > :30:12.never mind the response of Israel or indeed the United States
:30:13. > :30:16.to the fact of nuclear weapons in the grip of the Iranians,
:30:17. > :30:20.a regime that has been capable of bloodcurdling rhetoric
:30:21. > :30:27.about the mere existence of the Zionist entity.
:30:28. > :30:30.Joining me now is Jack Straw who was foreign secretary when Iran
:30:31. > :30:38.was referred to by America as part of "the axis of evil".
:30:39. > :30:45.Welcome to the Daily Politics. Melanie Phillips, broadly speaking
:30:46. > :30:50.do you agree with double trap that Iran is a fanatical regime that is
:30:51. > :30:56.intent on acquiring nuclear weapons? Yes, I believe it is a fanatical
:30:57. > :31:01.regime and I believe it is intent on acquiring nuclear weapons. All the
:31:02. > :31:06.evidence, as Boris Johnson said, it was only months away from producing
:31:07. > :31:11.nuclear weapons in 2015. It is the chief funder and backer of terrorism
:31:12. > :31:15.threat the world. But it has been halted? It has been temporarily
:31:16. > :31:21.halted to a certain extent, but the deal is full of holes. Iran has not
:31:22. > :31:26.allowed verification of its principal sites where it is
:31:27. > :31:30.producing, where it is thought to be producing those weapons. Iran is in
:31:31. > :31:35.breach of various aspects of the deal. But the deal itself is
:31:36. > :31:39.basically flawed because far from preventing Iran from getting a
:31:40. > :31:45.nuclear weapons, it allows Iran in ten or 15 years to produce it and as
:31:46. > :31:49.a consequence of Iran signing this deal, a huge amount of money has
:31:50. > :31:55.poured into Iran through sanctions relief, enabling it to arm its game
:31:56. > :31:59.in producing backing for terror and further destabilising the entire
:32:00. > :32:05.regime by backing Hezbollah and Hamas. Why is it a good deal? It is
:32:06. > :32:11.a good deal because it is working. Melanie is wrong to say it has not
:32:12. > :32:14.been implemented, it has. There are over 400 inspectors from the
:32:15. > :32:20.International atomic agency on the ground. The director-general of the
:32:21. > :32:26.IAEA says this is the most comprehensive and intrusive set of
:32:27. > :32:30.inspections ever. They have had to cut the number of centrifuges, they
:32:31. > :32:35.have closed down water reactors that could have made plutonium. They have
:32:36. > :32:40.had to cut their stockpiles of uranium and much else besides. This
:32:41. > :32:45.is far better than the alternative. It is an international agreement
:32:46. > :32:50.which was signed up to by the United Nations on a unanimous basis. I hear
:32:51. > :32:54.what Melanie says, but the truth is what is the alternative to this? You
:32:55. > :33:00.could have a war against Iran, but it would be absolutely... You may
:33:01. > :33:05.not like it or trust it, but isn't Jack Straw correct that the
:33:06. > :33:10.alternative is worse? Jack Straw is completely incorrect to say the deal
:33:11. > :33:14.is working. The IAEA recently stated it was unable to verify that Iran
:33:15. > :33:19.was fully implementing the agreement. Does that mean it is not
:33:20. > :33:24.working? It was unable to verify it because it is not able to inspect
:33:25. > :33:30.the sites. That is crucial. That is what they have said. Also, Iran has
:33:31. > :33:34.broken the terms of agreement on uranium enrichment levels, heavy
:33:35. > :33:38.water production and missile programmes. The alternative is to
:33:39. > :33:42.return to the idea, which is what should happen, that Iran should be
:33:43. > :33:48.perceived as a pariah state in the world and treated as such. Which is?
:33:49. > :33:56.Sanctions. Continue with the economic sanctions? Yes, and do
:33:57. > :34:00.everything to see Iran is trying to advance its strategic position in
:34:01. > :34:04.the region which is a direct threat to the west. Let's go back to the
:34:05. > :34:07.issue of whether they are meeting the terms of the agreement. Our
:34:08. > :34:15.inspectors being allowed into verify it? I have got here the most recent
:34:16. > :34:25.statement by the inspectors to the board of governors of the IEEE eight
:34:26. > :34:30.E and Europe you, excuse me for prattling on about it, you can look
:34:31. > :34:36.this up online. Iran is subject to the well's most robust nuclear
:34:37. > :34:39.verification regime. It says elsewhere in this report that it is
:34:40. > :34:46.implementing the agreement. And it is. Even President Trump's Secretary
:34:47. > :34:50.of State, Rex Tillerson, and most of the sensible grown-ups around the
:34:51. > :34:55.United States administration, accept it is working. Can I make this
:34:56. > :35:01.point? You could have made the argument that Melanie made some
:35:02. > :35:04.years ago to continue with sanctions when sanctions were internationally
:35:05. > :35:08.agreed because of the outrageous behaviour of the previous president.
:35:09. > :35:14.But that changed when President Rohani was elected in 2013 and the
:35:15. > :35:17.world has moved on. If you were to pursue this policy, which is what
:35:18. > :35:21.President Trump is doing, or you end up with is a complete split in the
:35:22. > :35:27.international community, not only with Russia and China separate, but
:35:28. > :35:31.also with major European powers, including the UK, because they know
:35:32. > :35:42.how dangerous it would be to move down this road. Containment Shirley
:35:43. > :35:45.is working better than the idea of allowing the regime, or making it
:35:46. > :35:47.feel more isolated and marginalised in the world as a result of
:35:48. > :35:51.continued sanctions if Donald Trump gets his way? It depends whether you
:35:52. > :35:55.want to marginalise one of the well's most dangerous regimes or
:35:56. > :35:59.whether you want to empower it. I cannot understand why Jack Straw has
:36:00. > :36:05.acted as the chief defender and protector of this uranium regime.
:36:06. > :36:10.You said when President Rouhani came to power he was a great reformer and
:36:11. > :36:14.his election would usher in a new dawn for Iran and you said it would
:36:15. > :36:20.bring stability to the region. As a result of the deal empowering Iran,
:36:21. > :36:26.it is making enormous progress in destabilising the region in Syria,
:36:27. > :36:34.in Iraq where it is getting huge numbers of people against Western
:36:35. > :36:40.interest, and in Yemen. Where is the evidence for destabilising the
:36:41. > :36:42.region? Possible, this deal was about their nuclear activities and
:36:43. > :36:46.had we made it wider, you would never have got a deal and it makes
:36:47. > :36:50.sense to concentrate on their nuclear activities. I do not defend
:36:51. > :36:55.them and I am not their spokesperson. You behave as if you
:36:56. > :36:59.are. That is beyond the level of insult. I am not their spokesperson
:37:00. > :37:05.but I distinguish between the elected government which is a
:37:06. > :37:10.reformer, and the non-elected security forces, they are no
:37:11. > :37:16.particular friend of mine. So far as their foreign policy and the region
:37:17. > :37:20.is concerned, life is full of paradoxes. The Iranians and the
:37:21. > :37:24.United States have recently been working very cooperatively together
:37:25. > :37:31.to remove the Kurds from control of areas like Coco. Iran is a major
:37:32. > :37:35.player in the region and the problem faced by Donald Trump, but not by
:37:36. > :37:41.sensible people like Rex Tillerson or indeed sensible people in Israel,
:37:42. > :37:45.is that people like Donald Trump do not have a strategy for trying to
:37:46. > :37:52.engage with Iran, recognising its strength, and bringing it in. Where
:37:53. > :37:57.is the pressure coming on Donald Trump to do this? To do what he is
:37:58. > :38:02.doing? Yes, if you say the Republicans around him do not agree
:38:03. > :38:05.with him, what is driving him on? Percival, he was to tear up Barack
:38:06. > :38:10.Obama's legacy and he believes all the stuff that Iran is the most
:38:11. > :38:15.dangerous power in the world. I do not accept that. I am quite clear if
:38:16. > :38:21.we do implement this agreement fully, the world would be much
:38:22. > :38:25.safer. Those who are of the reform minded view in Iran will be much
:38:26. > :38:33.more greatly empowered than they are at the moment. Just briefly, do you
:38:34. > :38:37.accept this is a different regime in Iran? Your views in opposition to
:38:38. > :38:41.the country are based on more than what came before? Or do you think
:38:42. > :38:46.the new president is the same messy-mac it completely misses the
:38:47. > :38:52.point. There is only one person who matters in the regime and that is
:38:53. > :38:57.the supreme leader. That is ultimately not the point. I do not
:38:58. > :39:01.believe President Rohani is a reformer. The internal repression in
:39:02. > :39:06.Iran that has gone on since he took power, in as he has power, huge
:39:07. > :39:10.numbers of dissidents and people against the regime in prison and so
:39:11. > :39:15.on, I do not see you criticising that as a result of his election.
:39:16. > :39:20.Only one person matters and that is the supreme leader. Iran remains a
:39:21. > :39:25.fanatical regime in a state of self war against the West, responsible
:39:26. > :39:31.for the deaths of many British and American servicemen and women. I
:39:32. > :39:36.sanctions enough? Should there be a war with Iran? Nobody wants a war,
:39:37. > :39:40.what we must stop doing is to continue to empower it and to enable
:39:41. > :39:42.it to continue its infernal activities. Jack Straw, thank you
:39:43. > :39:43.very much for coming in. Jack Straw, thank you very
:39:44. > :39:50.much for coming in. Now, seldom before in British
:39:51. > :39:52.society has so much attention been paid to an individual's sexual
:39:53. > :39:54.and gender identity. For some people it's a long overdue
:39:55. > :39:57.recognition of the persecution For others, the change is too much,
:39:58. > :40:02.too fast, without enough discussion. So on what issues is
:40:03. > :40:04.the debate most heated? This month NHS England said
:40:05. > :40:07.all patients should be asked about sexual orientation at every
:40:08. > :40:10.instance of face-to-face contact. Hospitals are dealing increasingly,
:40:11. > :40:14.too, with the T in LGBT, and a government review
:40:15. > :40:17.led by Justine Greening is considering dropping the need
:40:18. > :40:21.for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria to begin a legally
:40:22. > :40:26.recognised gender transition. That's where an individual feels
:40:27. > :40:30.a mismatch between their gender The British Medical Association
:40:31. > :40:39.already advises its members - that's doctors and medical students
:40:40. > :40:44.- that the term "pregnant people" may be preferable
:40:45. > :40:47.to "expectant mothers". The BMA says this would recognise
:40:48. > :40:50.intersex men and trans men who are pregnant,
:40:51. > :40:54.although they acknowledge a "large majority" of those who've given
:40:55. > :40:56.birth identify as women. This week the Foreign Office denied
:40:57. > :40:59.it had asked the UN to replace the term "pregnant women"
:41:00. > :41:04.with "pregnant people" The FCO said it didn't object
:41:05. > :41:11.to the use of the term women, but it asked the UN to include
:41:12. > :41:14.pregnant trans people And the Office for National
:41:15. > :41:20.Statistics was criticised this month for apparently planning to make
:41:21. > :41:24.a question on gender The ONS says they've "never
:41:25. > :41:30.suggested" people wouldn't be able to report themselves
:41:31. > :41:32.as male or female. Well, to discuss these issues we're
:41:33. > :41:35.joined by the Shadow Women's and Equalities Minister,
:41:36. > :41:43.Dawn Butler. Welcome to the programme. Just
:41:44. > :41:48.before I come to you, Melanie Phillips, what is wrong with doctors
:41:49. > :41:52.asking their patients their sexual orientation? If it has some bearing
:41:53. > :41:56.on the condition the patient is presenting with, it is important
:41:57. > :42:04.they ask such questions. But the idea they should ask questions as a
:42:05. > :42:08.matter of routine if you simply present with a sore throat, that is
:42:09. > :42:14.absurd and that is what this guidance is saying. Is an absurd? I
:42:15. > :42:18.agree in terms of the time GPs have with their patients and the sole
:42:19. > :42:23.purpose must be to establish what is wrong and to do with their medical
:42:24. > :42:28.needs. If it is to do with a medical need, that is fine, but if not, I do
:42:29. > :42:33.not believe it is a necessity. I think the one-to-one 15 minutes
:42:34. > :42:39.time, which is already limited, that must be the priority. You do not
:42:40. > :42:45.think everybody should be asked routinely their sexual orientation?
:42:46. > :42:51.No, I do not think it is necessary. It is for the GP to determine that.
:42:52. > :42:56.Let's move on to the issue of transgender rights. Is it your
:42:57. > :42:59.position that we have gone too far in accommodating people who feel
:43:00. > :43:07.their gender identity and biological sex do not match? Anyone in a
:43:08. > :43:12.situation of gender confusion merits sympathy and understanding. But I
:43:13. > :43:17.also think that we have got ourselves into a situation where
:43:18. > :43:26.there is a body of pressure behind the cause associated with
:43:27. > :43:30.transgender issues which seeks to basically right biological sex out
:43:31. > :43:34.of the script altogether to basically say if I was to say I am a
:43:35. > :43:39.woman, that is somehow causing offence to somebody who is in a
:43:40. > :43:47.state of gender confusion. I think that is not only absurd, it is
:43:48. > :43:52.draconian and even totalitarian, it is denying me the right to say what
:43:53. > :43:59.I am, which is a woman. Do you think that is what is happening? I do not
:44:00. > :44:03.think that is what is happening. It is all about equality and
:44:04. > :44:07.recognising that some people self identify as a different gender and
:44:08. > :44:12.they should be given the opportunity to do that. It is the society you
:44:13. > :44:17.want to live in in terms of looking after people's health and well-being
:44:18. > :44:21.and we need to be mindful of people's circumstances and what they
:44:22. > :44:25.are going through. I agree with that, we should be mindful,
:44:26. > :44:30.compassionate and considerate. That is not what is happening. If you
:44:31. > :44:33.look at the proposal for the census, the proposal is that people should
:44:34. > :44:40.not be required to say whether they are male or female, the consultation
:44:41. > :44:46.document says that it was thought to be irrelevant, unacceptable and
:44:47. > :44:52.intrusive to be asked about sex. But the crucial point is the option of
:44:53. > :44:56.adding a third choice of other was considered problematic because it
:44:57. > :45:00.was thought to modernise trans people and differentiate them from
:45:01. > :45:05.the rest of society. In my view that is what should happen. If people are
:45:06. > :45:10.concerned that transgender people do not find a place in a census
:45:11. > :45:15.questionnaire which simply says male or female, fine, have other. But we
:45:16. > :45:20.cannot have either because to have that would somehow cause offence. In
:45:21. > :45:26.which case I cannot say on the census, or I can say on the census
:45:27. > :45:29.that I am a woman, but the sender 's overall will no longer be reliable
:45:30. > :45:33.as the principal source of statistical information about men
:45:34. > :45:37.and women in the country. That cannot be right.
:45:38. > :45:46.Is that a problem for planning and services going forward if you cannot
:45:47. > :45:52.have reliable figures for numbers of male and female and those who don't
:45:53. > :45:59.identify as either? Absolutely but this is not a concrete proposal or
:46:00. > :46:04.about terminology. I read it as changing the language of sex to
:46:05. > :46:09.gender. Not denying whether you are male or female but changing the
:46:10. > :46:14.language of sex to gender. I agree with that. It's important to
:46:15. > :46:21.understand what the make-up of the country, in terms of male, female
:46:22. > :46:25.and transgender. It's important to note that ensuring that somebody has
:46:26. > :46:31.equal rights doesn't take away from equal rights of others. Equality is
:46:32. > :46:38.equality and that is where we should come from as a base. As the
:46:39. > :46:42.trans-community gets more awareness in the wider community, there are
:46:43. > :46:52.more people seeking treatment at a relatively young age. Isn't that
:46:53. > :46:55.long overdue? It may well be that there was treatment that such people
:46:56. > :47:02.required that they weren't getting in which case I'm very glad if they
:47:03. > :47:08.are now getting it. What worries me is, specifically as far as children
:47:09. > :47:12.are concerned, what is often a passing phase of thinking that you
:47:13. > :47:17.are of the opposite sex, which passes quite normally, is being
:47:18. > :47:21.medicalised and these children are having a label hung around their
:47:22. > :47:26.neck and inappropriate medical intervention is taking place. That's
:47:27. > :47:33.what worries me. That takes away the right of a child to be a child. Is
:47:34. > :47:35.too much medical or invasive surgery being offered to children who are
:47:36. > :47:40.too young to be certain about whether they want to change gender?
:47:41. > :47:47.I don't think we are anywhere near that point at the moment. The gender
:47:48. > :47:55.recognition, the equality act of 2010 needs to be updated. It is to
:47:56. > :48:01.set -- simplistic to say it is a passing phase. We need to be mindful
:48:02. > :48:05.of how people feel about their sexuality. How we address those
:48:06. > :48:10.situations has to be done with care and compassion every time we have a
:48:11. > :48:14.conversation about it. Do you think people who are uncomfortable or
:48:15. > :48:18.sceptical about this issue who say it may be a passing phase or who say
:48:19. > :48:22.there is too much noise around transgender or gender issues in
:48:23. > :48:27.general, do you think that is trans-phobic in your mind? Every
:48:28. > :48:34.time we are talking about somebody else's equality rights, whether it's
:48:35. > :48:40.about women, people of colour, there's an uproar. Now it is about
:48:41. > :48:44.transgender people and there is an uproar. I think we need to take it
:48:45. > :48:48.with care and compassion as we talk about these issues. We talk about
:48:49. > :48:51.the act coming before Parliament, we need to make sure everybody feels
:48:52. > :48:58.comfortable when talking about where they are within themselves. The only
:48:59. > :49:07.people who are likely to be uncomfortable whom are called
:49:08. > :49:14.transcode -- trans-phobic for calling themselves men or women. As
:49:15. > :49:22.we saw with the case of Jermaine Greer they are likely to be held off
:49:23. > :49:29.the stage. These are intolerant attitudes masquerading as
:49:30. > :49:34.compassion. I want to talk to you about Jared O'Mara. I will be using
:49:35. > :49:41.language that some people could consider offensive. He made comments
:49:42. > :49:50.over a decade ago and has resigned from the women and equality is
:49:51. > :49:55.committee. We have had a constituent of his on the programme saying that
:49:56. > :50:04.he called her an ugly bitch. Is that acceptable? It is unacceptable and
:50:05. > :50:11.that is ugly and offensive language. I am pleased that Jared O'Mara has
:50:12. > :50:18.gone on a journey. This was only a few months ago and not 15 years ago
:50:19. > :50:24.when he made those comments. Is he the change man he says he is? He
:50:25. > :50:30.denies he says those things. We have two Agbo as that. Without a shadow
:50:31. > :50:34.of a doubt, it is completely unacceptable language without a
:50:35. > :50:39.shadow of a doubt. I saw the clip. You could see that that lady was
:50:40. > :50:45.quite emotional about that situation. It's wrong. Absolutely
:50:46. > :50:50.wrong. I haven't seen it all, or heard, I know he has denied it. Has
:50:51. > :50:59.he denied saying that to Sophie Evans? Apparently. From what I've
:51:00. > :51:04.read. I don't know. If the allegations are proven to be true,
:51:05. > :51:09.what should happen to Jared O'Mara? If it's proven to be true then it
:51:10. > :51:15.has to go through due process and if that person wants to make an
:51:16. > :51:21.official complaint to the police, they are well within their rights.
:51:22. > :51:26.What should happen politically? Is it acceptable for him to keep the
:51:27. > :51:32.Labour whip? I'm not sure whether he was an MP at the time but what I'm
:51:33. > :51:38.calling for is an HR department in Parliament. There have been many
:51:39. > :51:43.situations that have happened in Parliament where you need an HR
:51:44. > :51:47.department to address that. Labour has a strong and robust harassment
:51:48. > :51:53.policy which anybody could complain to. Should this be investigated by
:51:54. > :51:59.the party? I'm sure it will be investigated by the party. It's an
:52:00. > :52:01.acceptable language. You are the shadow equality is minister, will
:52:02. > :52:09.you be asking the party to investigate? It will be
:52:10. > :52:15.investigated. It is unacceptable language. What I'm saying is, it's
:52:16. > :52:21.not just this one instant or person. There are many issues that need to
:52:22. > :52:28.be dealt with the same way. Let's talk about all circumstances that
:52:29. > :52:31.happen. All racist incidents, sexist incidents, by sitting politicians,
:52:32. > :52:33.let's look at those in the same robust way as we have talked about
:52:34. > :52:36.Jared O'Mara. Now, do the Conservatives have
:52:37. > :52:39.a problem appealing to young people? Ben Bradley, the 27-year-old
:52:40. > :52:42.who won his Mansfield seat from Labour, is setting up a group
:52:43. > :52:45.of all Conservative MPs under 35, to discuss how the party can
:52:46. > :52:48.reconnect with young voters. We'll speak to him shortly,
:52:49. > :52:51.but first here's Emma When you think of politicians,
:52:52. > :53:00.you probably But now there are some
:53:01. > :53:08.new kids on the block. A younger cohort of Conservative MPs
:53:09. > :53:10.are clubbing together WhatsApp group has been up
:53:11. > :53:15.and running for a couple of days. People are being added
:53:16. > :53:19.to it all the time. The number of Conservative MPs under
:53:20. > :53:22.the age of 35 swelled at this year's general election and they believe
:53:23. > :53:26.they have a unique role to play. The party is fortunate
:53:27. > :53:28.to have quite a good number We've got to make sure our voice
:53:29. > :53:34.is heard in the main policy debate. We need to get together,
:53:35. > :53:37.we need to come up with answers to some of the big challenges
:53:38. > :53:39.about the future, how do we help people get
:53:40. > :53:43.on the housing ladder, how do we make sure the economy
:53:44. > :53:47.works, how do we make sure we've got These are all big issues and,
:53:48. > :53:51.actually, younger MPs in the party have a big role to play in making
:53:52. > :53:54.sure we get the answers right. We realised there's quite a lot
:53:55. > :53:57.of those in that 25-40 age group - where we didn't do exactly
:53:58. > :54:00.brilliantly in the election - and these kind of young
:54:01. > :54:02.professionals, young families, are absolutely the sort of voters
:54:03. > :54:04.that the Conservatives We want to use our experience
:54:05. > :54:08.and the fact that we can relate to these people to,
:54:09. > :54:11.kind of, do a bit of message Thank you for inviting
:54:12. > :54:13.me here today! At this year's general election
:54:14. > :54:17.youth voter turnout not only jumped but almost two thirds
:54:18. > :54:19.of 18-29 -year-olds who voted chose But Conservatives have
:54:20. > :54:29.been fighting back. Over the summer, younger
:54:30. > :54:31.conservatives met for what was And this new group of young MPs hope
:54:32. > :54:37.to change the party's image further. You can't continue to put forward
:54:38. > :54:39.very good, very experienced politicians but who are often maybe
:54:40. > :54:42.in their 60s, don't really People feel like, I can't
:54:43. > :54:46.relate to you, so why So, part of that is actually showing
:54:47. > :54:51.that the Conservatives have quite a broad range of MPs from all walks
:54:52. > :54:57.of life and all backgrounds. Are you trying to make
:54:58. > :54:59.the Conservatives cool? I don't know if politicians
:55:00. > :55:01.can ever be cool. What we are trying to do is at least
:55:02. > :55:10.make as little bit more relatable. Emma Vardy there with Conservative
:55:11. > :55:16.MP Paul Masterton. We are joined by the brains behind this group then
:55:17. > :55:25.Bradley. We will go over to Barry who is on college green. Give as the
:55:26. > :55:34.odds on who will be the next Tory leader. At the moment, Boris Johnson
:55:35. > :55:47.is the red-hot favourite. Around 20% chance. The old guard, David Davis,
:55:48. > :55:55.5-1. Jacob Rees-Mogg 13-2. And yet led to some is coming up in the
:55:56. > :56:03.market. -- Andrea Leadsom. We have some younger people in the market.
:56:04. > :56:11.Heidi Alexander has come into 66-1. Then Bradley, a 100-1 chance. The
:56:12. > :56:20.time is right for the Young Turks to step up to the plate. 100-1, do you
:56:21. > :56:26.fancy your chances? You could jump up like Andrea Leadsom. Why has
:56:27. > :56:35.Labour been better at attracting younger voters? About inspiring
:56:36. > :56:39.people. You are never going to reach people unless you tell people you
:56:40. > :56:45.are going to Mike life better for them. Jeremy Corbyn had this
:56:46. > :56:51.message. I totally disagreed with him but we didn't have his positive
:56:52. > :56:56.message. They had a positive message that was communicated more
:56:57. > :56:59.effectively. I think we are too defensive. We need to promote
:57:00. > :57:05.actively the reason why our policies are what they are. Too often, we let
:57:06. > :57:10.them set the agenda and we sat back and defended ourselves. The
:57:11. > :57:13.challenges, if we want to appeal to younger people, not just students,
:57:14. > :57:20.people opt to about 45 who didn't work for us, those of others younger
:57:21. > :57:26.MPs need to get involved in that. It is not just about younger MPs.
:57:27. > :57:31.Jeremy Corbyn is not a young man by anyone's estimation. He's managed to
:57:32. > :57:37.do it. He has a very different style of politics to most other MPs on all
:57:38. > :57:41.sides. What he does have is the ability to go out and connect with
:57:42. > :57:45.people. We need to show our diversity and that we can engage
:57:46. > :57:50.with different groups of people. Do you think it is going to be a
:57:51. > :57:56.straightforward as that? The point about Jeremy Corbyn in very
:57:57. > :58:00.interesting. Not just that he is relatively old and it's not that he
:58:01. > :58:08.went to last and Brie and wowed them. That came after. --
:58:09. > :58:13.Glastonbury. Certain young people will gravitate towards the idealism
:58:14. > :58:17.of the Labour programme. I would say unrealistic idealism. What young
:58:18. > :58:21.people really related to was that they believed Jeremy Corbyn was
:58:22. > :58:25.authentic. They believed he would always be true to what he believed.
:58:26. > :58:35.Same thing as Jacob Rees-Mogg. He came up the sweepstake. Just time
:58:36. > :58:36.before we go to find the answer to our quiz.
:58:37. > :58:39.The question was which of these pictures is the odd one out.
:58:40. > :58:42.So, Melanie, what is the correct answer?
:58:43. > :58:51.It is the one on the bottom right because it is not Jeremy Corbyn but
:58:52. > :58:53.somebody a impersonating him. Tracey Ullman, I think.
:58:54. > :58:56.Thanks to all my guests, especially Melanie.
:58:57. > :58:59.The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.
:59:00. > :59:02.Andrew will be back at 11:30 tomorrow for live coverage