0:07:06 > 0:07:10Our I'm afraid they may be disappointed for some time to come.
0:07:10 > 0:07:15The sense that we get with these meetings is that they have not been
0:07:15 > 0:07:22a forum for making decisions but for expressing opinions. I am large,
0:07:22 > 0:07:26everybody has set out what their views are but there has not been an
0:07:26 > 0:07:31attempt to draw the feds together and say we will discount that all go
0:07:31 > 0:07:38with that. It has been an occasion for Mrs May to take on where the
0:07:38 > 0:07:42balance of opinion lies with key Cabinet ministers which means the
0:07:42 > 0:07:47time frame for getting clarity would seem to me to be disappearing
0:07:47 > 0:07:52several weeks hence. Which, of course, leaves nerves jangling
0:07:52 > 0:07:57because we move ever closer to that crunch March EU summit when we have
0:07:57 > 0:08:03to have some sort of clarity about what it is we are seeking. You say
0:08:03 > 0:08:07this has been an opportunity for Cabinet ministers to air their own
0:08:07 > 0:08:11views about what they see as the relationship with the EU once we
0:08:11 > 0:08:16leave. Is there going to be a compromise having gathered that
0:08:16 > 0:08:21information to try and find a way through and bridge these two sides,
0:08:21 > 0:08:26one who wants to say closely aligned with the EU and another which wants
0:08:26 > 0:08:30a clean break.That is almost going to be inevitable because of the
0:08:30 > 0:08:35fundamental divide within the Cabinet over the issue of trade.
0:08:35 > 0:08:39Some ministers like Philip Hammond believe the name of the game is
0:08:39 > 0:08:45staying close to the EU to minimise damage to the economy and others
0:08:45 > 0:08:48like Boris Johnson who believe the golden opportunity is to cut loose
0:08:48 > 0:08:54and strike free trade deals. Fundamental difference about whether
0:08:54 > 0:09:00national interest lies. The way you bridge that, keep everyone on board
0:09:00 > 0:09:04is frankly by some rather elastic language, I would point, for
0:09:04 > 0:09:10example, to the big soup of compromise reached over the Northern
0:09:10 > 0:09:15Ireland border.
0:09:16 > 0:09:27Ireland border. Everybody has talked about regulatory and alignment. I
0:09:27 > 0:09:31think creative language will have to be used. But that hits the buffers
0:09:31 > 0:09:36when the EU say, that's fine but what does it mean. If you are not
0:09:36 > 0:09:40able to say precisely what you want, the danger is the EU negotiator
0:09:40 > 0:09:46simply sees that the -- seize the initiative and say hypothetically
0:09:46 > 0:09:55here is a free-trade deal. You see the process to the EU. When
0:09:55 > 0:09:59widespread allegations of sexual harassment and bullying are merged
0:09:59 > 0:10:06at Westminster in autumn, the fact that that it should happen at the
0:10:06 > 0:10:09seat of democracy should be a source of shame for is all, said the Prime
0:10:09 > 0:10:14Minister.The leaders of the main political parties agreed to set up a
0:10:14 > 0:10:19working group to address those concerns. The new proposals were
0:10:19 > 0:10:24agreed yesterday and were set up this morning. A new grievance
0:10:24 > 0:10:29procedure, after hearing from over 250 people who have experienced
0:10:29 > 0:10:34sexual harassment at Westminster in the past year. The committee,
0:10:34 > 0:10:38chaired by Andrea Leadsom said that harassment had been a feature of the
0:10:38 > 0:10:43lives of many people working in Parliament. The grievance procedure
0:10:43 > 0:10:46would provide practical and emotional support to complainers
0:10:46 > 0:10:49regardless of whether they report the matter to the police or not.
0:10:49 > 0:10:57They will be a trained sexual violence adviser who will lead the
0:10:57 > 0:11:02process that could result in a written apology or workplace
0:11:02 > 0:11:07training for the perpetrator. Based on the balance of probabilities,
0:11:07 > 0:11:11action will be taken based on the work of the parliamentary committee
0:11:11 > 0:11:17for standards. Confidentiality of all those involved will be protected
0:11:17 > 0:11:24throughout. MPs who are found to have harassed staff could face
0:11:24 > 0:11:27suspension or recall. The proposals will be debated by MPs later this
0:11:27 > 0:11:33month. Angela, just listening to that, do you think there is enough
0:11:33 > 0:11:38that's new that is going to toughen up the procedure for MPs and staff
0:11:38 > 0:11:45and also the culture?It's a good start but it won't be the end of it.
0:11:45 > 0:11:51I worked as a researcher in Parliament. Working in Parliament
0:11:51 > 0:11:57for most people including me has been a positive experience. It makes
0:11:57 > 0:12:02it worse when you have these complaints from people of sexual
0:12:02 > 0:12:06harassment or bullying. This is why the reporters so essential to take
0:12:06 > 0:12:11action.The numbers are quite alarming. You say it is a great
0:12:11 > 0:12:15place to work and for the majority it is but one in five have
0:12:15 > 0:12:20experienced or witnessed harassment or inappropriate sexual behaviour.
0:12:20 > 0:12:25That shocks me. I think it's appalling. If you talk to women in
0:12:25 > 0:12:30other workplaces you hear the same story but I would has to be better
0:12:30 > 0:12:36and set an example. I think there is something that we could move more
0:12:36 > 0:12:40quickly on, the adviser that is available to report things too. That
0:12:40 > 0:12:44is new and as quickly as possible, it's something in the Labour Party
0:12:44 > 0:12:50we've been pushing for and I are pleased it's in there.The unions
0:12:50 > 0:12:54say to completely change the culture of bullying and harassment there has
0:12:54 > 0:13:00to be formal union recognition.Do you agree with them? I do. I
0:13:00 > 0:13:04encourage anyone who works in Parliament to be a member of their
0:13:04 > 0:13:08trade union. It's a safe space for those dealing with such issues.
0:13:08 > 0:13:12There should be formal recognition and any member of staff working in
0:13:12 > 0:13:19any place of work should benefit from trade union membership.Should
0:13:19 > 0:13:22that have been a priority for the Labour members working on these
0:13:22 > 0:13:27recommendations?They are trying to get agreement across the board. I
0:13:27 > 0:13:32think it's been quite a challenging exercise for everybody involved.
0:13:32 > 0:13:36Understanding this scale of the problem. We tend to talk about
0:13:36 > 0:13:42sexual harassment and I think bullying and intimidation in the
0:13:42 > 0:13:46workplace is equally unpleasant. It may not be so severe in places but
0:13:46 > 0:13:50if you are facing bullying day in, day out and are uncomfortable for
0:13:50 > 0:13:53any reason in the workplace, then something has to be done and action
0:13:53 > 0:13:59needs to be taken.What about the sanctions? It looks as though there
0:13:59 > 0:14:05will be the power, which already existed in some ways, in terms of
0:14:05 > 0:14:09MPs recall, that will come after investigation and the ability to
0:14:09 > 0:14:14sack peers.Fears can be expelled for different reasons.Including
0:14:14 > 0:14:22this.I'm slightly uncomfortable about recall for MPs. Thereafter
0:14:22 > 0:14:29recommendations about recall is. I'm not sure on where in the scale it
0:14:29 > 0:14:33should be introduced. I'd like to see the power of the constituents on
0:14:33 > 0:14:37this one. There is a way forward on it but I'm not 100% certain in my
0:14:37 > 0:14:43mind what that is yet.Would you be unhappy if that much power was
0:14:43 > 0:14:48vested in to the Parliamentary Commissioner for standards?It has
0:14:48 > 0:14:54to be wider than the Parliamentary commission. If we put it in the
0:14:54 > 0:14:59hands of one person, it would rather be uncomfortable for me. There's a
0:14:59 > 0:15:03lot of discussion going on and they haven't reached agreement yet. The
0:15:03 > 0:15:08work the committee has put in has been extraordinary, the time, energy
0:15:08 > 0:15:11and effort has been excellent and I congratulate them for what they've
0:15:11 > 0:15:17done so far.We will return to this later in the programme. The Prime
0:15:17 > 0:15:20Minister is getting 20 of advice from within her party on what
0:15:20 > 0:15:25position to take on Brexit. She's not the only one. Jeremy Corbyn is
0:15:25 > 0:15:31also pressed by his party to come out in favour of a much closer
0:15:31 > 0:15:36relationship with the EU after Brexit. Have a look.The leadership
0:15:36 > 0:15:41is waiting to see if public opinion moves in a particular direction. I'm
0:15:41 > 0:15:46saying, I would argue, in the end, you've got to lead and make the
0:15:46 > 0:15:52argument for your values.I don't want to be a rebel. I want our party
0:15:52 > 0:15:56to seize this opportunity to demonstrate that in contrast of
0:15:56 > 0:16:00these wretched government, we can live up to our national
0:16:00 > 0:16:06responsibilities and our internationalist heritage.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10Both government and parties are finding it hard to move forward so a
0:16:10 > 0:16:17referendum on a new question about the future relationship may become
0:16:17 > 0:16:21unavoidable.The question is whether or not Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell
0:16:21 > 0:16:25and the Shadow Cabinet will lead us to a position where we can defeat
0:16:25 > 0:16:29the government. Call me old-fashioned, it is in the interest
0:16:29 > 0:16:31of opposition to beat the government on votes.
0:16:31 > 0:16:34We're joined now by Alastair Campbell, he's former director
0:16:34 > 0:16:36of communications to Tony Blair, he's editor at large
0:16:36 > 0:16:38of the New European, and he's found time to write
0:16:38 > 0:16:41a new novel about football and terrorism in the 1970s.
0:16:41 > 0:16:44And of course Angela Smith is still here, I don't know if she's
0:16:44 > 0:16:46working on any novels.
0:16:46 > 0:16:53A subject for another time! Cathartic it may be.I am living in
0:16:53 > 0:16:57a novel at the moment.You're not alone. The same subject kept
0:16:57 > 0:17:02cropping up there in those various clips from Labour politicians. Lead.
0:17:02 > 0:17:06Why don't your own MPs and peers think the parties doing enough to
0:17:06 > 0:17:10lead on Brexit?I think we are doing enough to lead on Brexit.They are
0:17:10 > 0:17:14not convinced.Let's see what happens in the House of Lords and
0:17:14 > 0:17:18the House of Commons. We haven't got the arithmetic and the House of
0:17:18 > 0:17:22Commons. You look at the Article 50 amendment, they were able to
0:17:22 > 0:17:26persuade their own people to vote down our amendment. There are key
0:17:26 > 0:17:31issues coming up that will come back to the House of Commons that are key
0:17:31 > 0:17:35Labour Party policies on dealing with this, things like the
0:17:35 > 0:17:38transition period, Henry VIII powers. When we talk about bringing
0:17:38 > 0:17:43back control to the UK, what we see is bringing back control to
0:17:43 > 0:17:47government ministers. There are issues like that, and the Charter of
0:17:47 > 0:17:50fundamental rights, those kinds of issues we have shown great
0:17:50 > 0:17:56leadership on.Do you share the frustration of MPs who feel that the
0:17:56 > 0:18:02leadership is not being clear about what it wants in terms of exit Mac
0:18:02 > 0:18:06and an end relationship with the EU and it needs to come off the fence?
0:18:06 > 0:18:11I don't think it is the frustration of MPs, out in the country there is
0:18:11 > 0:18:15massive frustration, and I agree with Angela, I've followed a lot of
0:18:15 > 0:18:19the Lords debate, and hopefully that Lords will change this process but I
0:18:19 > 0:18:23think in the Commons, the fact yesterday Jeremy Corbyn yet again
0:18:23 > 0:18:27cannot bring himself to challenge them on this single most important
0:18:27 > 0:18:31issue facing the country, the fact that millions and millions of people
0:18:31 > 0:18:37are genuinely concerned that with opposition and government handling
0:18:37 > 0:18:40it differently but saying this is happening, people are feeling
0:18:40 > 0:18:43frustrated. Parliament isn't reflecting the debate in the
0:18:43 > 0:18:49country's.What you say to that that Jeremy Corbyn doesn't bring up the
0:18:49 > 0:18:55issue of Brexit in the Commons?He does bring it up.PMQs?One of the
0:18:55 > 0:19:00great tragedies of Brexit is the other issues the government should
0:19:00 > 0:19:04be dealing with like the housing issue and the health service.Even
0:19:04 > 0:19:08when he does that, the reason why the government is failing on things
0:19:08 > 0:19:12like health and housing and crime and these things is because they are
0:19:12 > 0:19:16totally consumed on sorting out their own problems on Brexit and
0:19:16 > 0:19:19Jeremy Corbyn doesn't challenge Theresa May on it.It is perfectly
0:19:19 > 0:19:23evident and the Labour Party as a whole and Jeremy and Keir Starmer
0:19:23 > 0:19:27have put pressure on the government to say what your policy is.What
0:19:27 > 0:19:33about Labour's policy?We have cabinet had a meeting to decide what
0:19:33 > 0:19:40their policy is on Brexit. Theresa May wants to go around the table and
0:19:40 > 0:19:44hear their policy on Brexit.I don't think I've ever known a government
0:19:44 > 0:19:49quite as shambolic as this one. Every day I will turn on the news,
0:19:49 > 0:19:53the Cabinet is meeting to decide the strategy on Brexit. They've been
0:19:53 > 0:19:57saying it since June 2016 and Labour should be ripping them apart.Let's
0:19:57 > 0:20:01talk about that because a YouGov poll which I've probably seen says
0:20:01 > 0:20:07that if Labour was to come off the fence on Brexit, it will lose
0:20:07 > 0:20:11support. I know it is a poor but it is quite interesting.Because it is
0:20:11 > 0:20:15difficult.You could say Labour are playing a strategic binder because
0:20:15 > 0:20:19by being opaque and by focusing on the government, they've actually
0:20:19 > 0:20:23managed to hold the support they've got.I'll admit at the last election
0:20:23 > 0:20:28I thought we'd get punished for appearing to be a bit leave and a
0:20:28 > 0:20:33bit remain. It didn't happen. But this is happening. And I think
0:20:33 > 0:20:37leadership ultimately is facing the country up to the biggest issues and
0:20:37 > 0:20:40there is a real danger the government strategy appears to be we
0:20:40 > 0:20:43have to get outcome what may, whatever the cost. Labour's strategy
0:20:43 > 0:20:49is we will do that as well but in a better way.That is unfair because
0:20:49 > 0:20:55we've been clear. I campaign for remain, our policy was remain. Since
0:20:55 > 0:20:58the referendum what we have said is the benefits of the single market
0:20:58 > 0:21:06and the customs union, they are in the EU. When we leave, we are not
0:21:06 > 0:21:10saying we won't negotiate, we have to negotiate what our position is if
0:21:10 > 0:21:14we leave. That is where the failure of government lies. Then negotiating
0:21:14 > 0:21:18strategy from the beginning has been to rule out the very things the
0:21:18 > 0:21:22public didn't have a say on.So you're saying you want to be clearer
0:21:22 > 0:21:26about remaining in the single market and Customs union.During the
0:21:26 > 0:21:31transition phase, when these things are being negotiated...That is
0:21:31 > 0:21:36transition.It is. What the government cannot do is rule it out
0:21:36 > 0:21:40and not look at the evidence to say this is dangerous. They are taking
0:21:40 > 0:21:43the economy to a cliff edge and the government has to take
0:21:43 > 0:21:46responsibility. If we were in government, we would have those
0:21:46 > 0:21:49negotiations on a completely different bases.Alistair Campbell
0:21:49 > 0:21:54has said in the last few weeks Brexit will happen and it will be a
0:21:54 > 0:21:58disaster. Do you accept you are a part of what Alistair Alistair
0:21:58 > 0:22:05Campbell has said?If we were in the negotiations, it would be different,
0:22:05 > 0:22:11we would start from a different point.One of the reasons I think
0:22:11 > 0:22:15people talk about public opinion shifting...It isn't, is it, the
0:22:15 > 0:22:20Paul Sturrock show that.If you have the government and most of the media
0:22:20 > 0:22:24saying done deal, can't revisit it, that debate doesn't reopen. Jeremy
0:22:24 > 0:22:28Corbyn could be leading this but he doesn't want to.The government
0:22:28 > 0:22:33doesn't want to give information. Let's talk about Labour.The point
0:22:33 > 0:22:41is valid. Public opinion is not getting information. Whenever the
0:22:41 > 0:22:44government does an analysis of the economy they tried to hide the
0:22:44 > 0:22:49information and it has to be dragged kicking and screaming. What is clear
0:22:49 > 0:22:54nobody wants the kind of extremist Brexit Jabez Rees Mogg and others
0:22:54 > 0:22:58are advocating.Throughout this interview, with all due respect,
0:22:58 > 0:23:02you've criticised the process, and the government for the way they are
0:23:02 > 0:23:06handling the negotiations. Alistair Campbell and others are talking
0:23:06 > 0:23:11about a statement of intent, about what you want, about what the party
0:23:11 > 0:23:15is trying to achieve. There hasn't been much of that, has there, for
0:23:15 > 0:23:20Labour?What the state is meant of intent is that they want is we will
0:23:20 > 0:23:24remain in the EU. That isn't the state of intent. The Labour Party
0:23:24 > 0:23:27has accepted the referendum but we are saying we would do it
0:23:27 > 0:23:32differently.Do you accept that, that is to position the Labour Party
0:23:32 > 0:23:37will not take up?I accept the difficulty of the politics.So you
0:23:37 > 0:23:41really believe they will say we will remain in the EU at some point?The
0:23:41 > 0:23:46politics are difficult and I hope that as this goes on, we reach an
0:23:46 > 0:23:49understanding that if we decide the costs are too high, the coast is too
0:23:49 > 0:23:54great, the risk to Britain's standing in the world is too great,
0:23:54 > 0:23:58the threat to the peace process in Northern Ireland is real, they have
0:23:58 > 0:24:01to follow through the logic. That means the public should be
0:24:01 > 0:24:05entitled...As a former strategist, you wouldn't be saying that at this
0:24:05 > 0:24:09point, because you admitted facing both ways has helped.I'll tell you
0:24:09 > 0:24:14why I would because the country is desperate for leadership. They are
0:24:14 > 0:24:19not getting it from the government. The government is a total, complete
0:24:19 > 0:24:22shambles. Amber Rudd did a very revealing interview at the weekend
0:24:22 > 0:24:26where she said we are looking for something all of us can live with.
0:24:26 > 0:24:29She meant the ministers. They've lost sight of the public and I think
0:24:29 > 0:24:34if Labour came out and lead, we've looked at this, every which way,
0:24:34 > 0:24:39this is going to damage. Look at the stuff yesterday. In the north-east,
0:24:39 > 0:24:45West Midlands, Northern Ireland and Scotland, that is what they want.
0:24:45 > 0:24:51Would that be a more honourable position to take, never mind the
0:24:51 > 0:24:54representative view of Labour, because at the moment all you are
0:24:54 > 0:24:57doing is coming in behind the government on saying we are doing
0:24:57 > 0:25:02this badly, you're doing this wrong, but you haven't got a suggestion.We
0:25:02 > 0:25:05are saying how we would do differently and that is important.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09To achieve what?If there is going to be Brexit in this country, and
0:25:09 > 0:25:15that is where we are, and we have accepted the result, we don't
0:25:15 > 0:25:20believe the way that it is doing. It doesn't have a policy on trade.We
0:25:20 > 0:25:24shouldn't leave until been away where we are going.Where is Labour
0:25:24 > 0:25:30going?We needed transition phase. Don't laugh. I'm not laughing at the
0:25:30 > 0:25:34transition phase, it is about delaying the point at which Labour
0:25:34 > 0:25:39is clear what they want to do.We have been clear. In negotiations we
0:25:39 > 0:25:43would never rule out being in the customs union or the single market.
0:25:43 > 0:25:46And, yet, whenever there's been a vote in parliament, it seems to be
0:25:46 > 0:25:52the whip is to say don't vote for it.It hasn't. These are matters for
0:25:52 > 0:25:55negotiation, and we want to keep certain things like the Northern
0:25:55 > 0:26:01Ireland border. That is interesting. It is not resolved. They can't
0:26:01 > 0:26:05resolve it and how they will resolved.Was it wrong for the
0:26:05 > 0:26:11Labour Party to whip their MPs to stop them voting against some of the
0:26:11 > 0:26:16Brexit deals that have gone through so far?The Brexit deal, we haven't
0:26:16 > 0:26:23seen it.We have had Article 50. The withdrawal bill. And Labour MPs were
0:26:23 > 0:26:26told not to vote against these things.There's not to do with the
0:26:26 > 0:26:31deal. Article 50 was to start the process which was recognising the
0:26:31 > 0:26:34referendum. The withdrawal bill is nothing to do with leaving the EU.
0:26:34 > 0:26:42What it is a technical bill, about bringing all the protections
0:26:42 > 0:26:46contributed to back into UK domestic law.The meaningful vote, Alistair,
0:26:46 > 0:26:51what would you like to see Labour MPs do? RU minded, if you were in
0:26:51 > 0:26:57the position now advising Jeremy Corbyn, vote against the deal
0:26:57 > 0:27:00whatever its content?No, you have to judge it. Keir Starmer some while
0:27:00 > 0:27:07ago set out the tests again which you should judge it. And I cannot
0:27:07 > 0:27:10see I've laboured to that how they can support the deal which is...
0:27:10 > 0:27:15That in effect is saying vote down the deal, and what would happen?I
0:27:15 > 0:27:18am in an easier position than Angela because I'm not part of the inner
0:27:18 > 0:27:22circle and I can say what I think. I think this is going to be a disaster
0:27:22 > 0:27:26and I think there is a danger we are helping the government facilitate
0:27:26 > 0:27:30this disaster. Because they are not being held to account, I think, in
0:27:30 > 0:27:34the way they should be, particularly in the Commons where Theresa May
0:27:34 > 0:27:39seems to go to PMQs week after week, she will get health, education...
0:27:39 > 0:27:44That seems like praise of the House of Lords, Alistair!Alistair
0:27:44 > 0:27:47Campbell is saying you are not holding the government to account in
0:27:47 > 0:27:51the way that you should or could be. I think we are stop with they should
0:27:51 > 0:27:56be run ragged at the moment.They are. The polls don't indicate you
0:27:56 > 0:28:01are going ahead of them.But what should we do about the country?If
0:28:01 > 0:28:04you look, they are forced provide information and publish information
0:28:04 > 0:28:08they've tried to keep secret showing how damaging Brexit, as they wanted,
0:28:08 > 0:28:18will be.So we should say we don't want it. We need to go out and say
0:28:18 > 0:28:20to the people who voted leave, we know why you're angry, that is what
0:28:20 > 0:28:24we will address but we went do it with this hard Brexit.And is to
0:28:24 > 0:28:25Campbell, thank you.
0:28:25 > 0:28:27The front page of this morning's Daily Telegraph has
0:28:27 > 0:28:30caused a bit of a stir, thanks to its front page (GFX
0:28:30 > 0:28:33which says the investor George Soros, known as 'the man
0:28:33 > 0:28:35who broke the Bank of England', is 'backing a secret
0:28:35 > 0:28:37plot to thwart Brexit'.
0:28:37 > 0:28:40The report, which carries the byline of Theresa May's former
0:28:40 > 0:28:42adviser Nick Timothy, is about the plan by one
0:28:42 > 0:28:45remain-supporting campaign group to try and bring about a second
0:28:45 > 0:28:48referendum to keep Britain in the EU.
0:28:48 > 0:28:52Well, the former Ukip MEP Steven Woolfe has claimed that
0:28:52 > 0:28:54what he calls "ultra-remainers" are now speaking with a single
0:28:54 > 0:28:57voice and wants leave campaigners to do the same.
0:28:57 > 0:29:03He joins me now from Strasbourg.
0:29:03 > 0:29:07I don't quite understand what you are worried about, unless you are
0:29:07 > 0:29:10running scared from a running campaign, then perhaps it is doing
0:29:10 > 0:29:15the same as the leave campaign before the referendum.No, what I
0:29:15 > 0:29:21was concerned about is that the Remainers or the ultra-Remainers, as
0:29:21 > 0:29:25you have heard they don't want to listen to voters. What they've done
0:29:25 > 0:29:30since that referendum is being incredibly well organised, they've
0:29:30 > 0:29:33managed to get their people in places to be able to articulate
0:29:33 > 0:29:39their view that this will be a disaster, that leaving the EU will
0:29:39 > 0:29:43cause immense problems in the future. And also they are incredibly
0:29:43 > 0:29:47well funded. As you can see from today's newspapers, what you have is
0:29:47 > 0:29:54a UK-based organisation, accepting a large donation from a non-UK banking
0:29:54 > 0:29:59billionaire. To be frank, that reminds me a little bit of the
0:29:59 > 0:30:04Rodolfo plot in 1571 where we had a Florentine banker trying to help a
0:30:04 > 0:30:06team assassinate Elizabeth the first. This isn't the first time
0:30:06 > 0:30:12that we've had...Billionaires bankrolling political campaigns is
0:30:12 > 0:30:16hardly new, is it? This isn't anything secret, they are hiding in
0:30:16 > 0:30:20plain sight. The complaints you're making you could say the leave
0:30:20 > 0:30:23campaign was a pretty aggressive, legitimate campaign that wanted to
0:30:23 > 0:30:27leave the EU and the government has said the country will leave the EU.
0:30:27 > 0:30:30You are part of a campaign that wanted the government to rule out
0:30:30 > 0:30:33the possibility of staying in the single market. They've said it will
0:30:33 > 0:30:37happen and the same with the customs union so where are these
0:30:37 > 0:30:43ultra-Remainers taking the lead?
0:30:43 > 0:30:48I think what you hear when I go up and down the country as I still do
0:30:48 > 0:30:53and attend meetings and speak to ordinary people, they are incredibly
0:30:53 > 0:30:58fed up by the negativity that seems to be on the media particularly, not
0:30:58 > 0:31:05just shows like this, in all different
0:31:07 > 0:31:09different ways, that seems to say that the leave vote is a
0:31:09 > 0:31:21particularly bad scenario. They don't feel they have had their voice
0:31:23 > 0:31:31of a I've argued that we should have had a low regulation Singapore style
0:31:31 > 0:31:35of economy moving forward that includes all the key points that we
0:31:35 > 0:31:41wanted, control of our borders, having our money back and trying to
0:31:41 > 0:31:45distribute that in the right places, making sure that the European Court
0:31:45 > 0:31:49of Justice is no longer in control and democracy for our people and not
0:31:49 > 0:31:54from outside.Have you got support from everyone and all of these
0:31:54 > 0:31:59groups you have brought together? I've certainly been talking to them
0:31:59 > 0:32:08and you saw with my actions taking Lord B Jones and John Longworth from
0:32:08 > 0:32:13leave means leave and from Labour leave. We've been pulling these
0:32:13 > 0:32:17groups together. You'll see some action on these front in the next
0:32:17 > 0:32:26few weeks.Do you need Nigel Farage two, and leave this -- lead this
0:32:26 > 0:32:38newsgroup?No, absolutely not. Nigel has taken a very different route. He
0:32:38 > 0:32:42still articulates leaving the European Union and is a strong voice
0:32:42 > 0:32:48but he's someone who's more interested in being in the media as
0:32:48 > 0:32:51a personality. What we need to look at now is those people have
0:32:51 > 0:32:55experience in dealing with the economy of Britain, those needed to
0:32:55 > 0:33:00create laws across a whole spectrum of policy issues, those are the
0:33:00 > 0:33:06people with experience that you have got. In UK politics and in the
0:33:06 > 0:33:11Conservative Party, you have the DRG with Jacob Rees-Mogg and others like
0:33:11 > 0:33:19that.Would you Jacob Rees-Mogg to lead this new group? You seem
0:33:19 > 0:33:24infused by his leadership of the European research group.I think
0:33:24 > 0:33:29he's doing a sterling job with the DRG and all the other Conservative
0:33:29 > 0:33:38MPs backing Brexit to the hilt. They would obviously be part of this.
0:33:38 > 0:33:43Over the next 4-6 weeks where we've got a mission critical timing ahead
0:33:43 > 0:33:45of others because of what I see in the European Parliament in relation
0:33:45 > 0:33:50to the vote and the way that the commission is pulling together a
0:33:50 > 0:33:54whole series of papers that we need to challenge that and put forward
0:33:54 > 0:34:00some very positive messages. I know, for example, that one group is run
0:34:00 > 0:34:03bringing a really strong message of how Britain would be successful in a
0:34:03 > 0:34:15big way if we adopt a certain set of criteria.Arron
0:34:15 > 0:34:18criteria.Arron Banks is encouraging former Ukip members to flood back
0:34:18 > 0:34:21into the Conservative Party to change the course of history again.
0:34:21 > 0:34:32Do you agree with Arron Banks?I think through the people he speaks
0:34:32 > 0:34:37to in his group, the decision that there is no political party
0:34:37 > 0:34:43challenging the Labour Party or those in the ultra-Remainer groups.
0:34:43 > 0:34:51Should they be brought back into the Conservative Party?I think they
0:34:51 > 0:34:58have to take their own decision. If they are Labour supporters they can
0:34:58 > 0:35:04back John Mills and the Labour lead group. If they are like myself
0:35:04 > 0:35:07conservatives who believe in a different vision for Europe they can
0:35:07 > 0:35:14fight the Conservative fight. This is a national group of the future
0:35:14 > 0:35:22and we need people from different political front to attack the
0:35:22 > 0:35:30ultra-Remainers.Are you a ultra-Remainers?That was an
0:35:30 > 0:35:35extraordinary interview. Please leave campaign won the referendum
0:35:35 > 0:35:41and now they seemed to be in a panic and I suspect it is because people
0:35:41 > 0:35:46are rejecting the extremist Brexit that we have heard articulated and a
0:35:46 > 0:35:49lack of confidence in the government who deliver any form of Brexit at
0:35:49 > 0:35:55all. I don't blame him for trying but he is on a lost cause with a
0:35:55 > 0:36:02hard Brexit.What do you think? There we go again with the language
0:36:02 > 0:36:08of extremist exit. This isn't helpful. It is the sort of language
0:36:08 > 0:36:16that we heard when they said the old are destroying the lives of young
0:36:16 > 0:36:21people or are racist, it's a disgrace. Is. We have an economy
0:36:21 > 0:36:29that will move forward successfully in the future.And Samir question if
0:36:29 > 0:36:35you will. If the economy is going to do so well through exit, why is all
0:36:35 > 0:36:39the evidence showing the opposite? I've never been called an extremist
0:36:39 > 0:36:49in my life, I find that quite amusing.Stephen?During the
0:36:49 > 0:36:53referendum campaign we had the sort of economic reports suggesting from
0:36:53 > 0:36:59even then the Chancellor that we would lose 400,000 jobs and have an
0:36:59 > 0:37:03emergency budget and this is the same type of argument on economic
0:37:03 > 0:37:13's. We have seen more people in work.We haven't left yet.We seeded
0:37:13 > 0:37:18in manufacturing and different sectors. We haven't left and you
0:37:18 > 0:37:22can't have your cake and eat it and say that the economy is growing not
0:37:22 > 0:37:30slowing.We are going to have to end it there. I can't remember how many
0:37:30 > 0:37:35times people have said have your cake and eat it. One day, we will.
0:37:35 > 0:37:37And for more reporting and analysis of Brexit,
0:37:37 > 0:37:42check out the BBC News website, that's bbc.co.uk/Brexit
0:37:42 > 0:37:44Now, the German Chancellor Angela Merkel looks close to finally
0:37:44 > 0:37:48securing a new coalition government.
0:37:48 > 0:37:50Germany had been stuck in political limbo since September's inconclusive
0:37:50 > 0:37:55general election saw the mainstream parties lose support
0:37:55 > 0:37:58to the far-right AfD - they had tapped into anger over
0:37:58 > 0:38:01Angela Merkel's refugee policy.
0:38:01 > 0:38:04But after a failed attempt to forge an alliance
0:38:04 > 0:38:07with two smaller parties, Mrs Merkel was forced to woo
0:38:07 > 0:38:09back the reluctant SPD, her junior partner for two
0:38:09 > 0:38:11of her three terms.
0:38:11 > 0:38:14We're joined now by our Berlin Correspondent, Damien McGuinness.
0:38:14 > 0:38:25Is it a done deal?Not yet. It was confirmed yesterday that there is a
0:38:25 > 0:38:28proposed deal between those two partners, the centre-left and
0:38:28 > 0:38:36centre-right. Their party leaders might want this but the centre-left
0:38:36 > 0:38:42SPD have pledged to give their members vote. That is 460,000 people
0:38:42 > 0:38:47across Germany. It will be a postal ballot. It won't be until the
0:38:47 > 0:38:51beginning of March that we know whether the members have accepted
0:38:51 > 0:38:57it. It's possible that they might reject it. It is looking pretty
0:38:57 > 0:39:0150-50. Many SPD members and centre-left voters feel they were
0:39:01 > 0:39:06scarred badly by the last coalition with the Conservatives under Angela
0:39:06 > 0:39:13Merkel. That is why they would rather go into opposition and
0:39:13 > 0:39:17refined themselves. It is going to be a nerve-racking few weeks for
0:39:17 > 0:39:22German politics and Angela Merkel. If this gets rejected in March, we
0:39:22 > 0:39:27could be looking at starting all over again. It's been almost five
0:39:27 > 0:39:31months since the elections and it could mean fresh elections which
0:39:31 > 0:39:36would mean no government until autumn. If they vote yes, we would
0:39:36 > 0:39:41have a government in place by Easter.It looks as though there is
0:39:41 > 0:39:45going to be a coalition government confirmed until March at the
0:39:45 > 0:39:49earliest. Looking at the negotiations, what sort of price is
0:39:49 > 0:39:54Angela Merkel paying to bring the SPD, the Labour Party, into
0:39:54 > 0:40:01coalition government?This vote with their members is hanging over her
0:40:01 > 0:40:07head. That's why she had to give away some pretty big ministries
0:40:07 > 0:40:10including labour, the finance ministry, which is unusual, she
0:40:10 > 0:40:16would have wanted to hang onto that ordinarily. These are tricky
0:40:16 > 0:40:21powerful and key members and she has been criticised by business leaders
0:40:21 > 0:40:26and some grassroots supporters. On many policies, she has given away
0:40:26 > 0:40:34but if we look at the list overall it is a lot of compromises. No big
0:40:34 > 0:40:41grand vision. It could help Germans in their daily lives, building more
0:40:41 > 0:40:44homes, better infrastructure, sorting out health care, more money
0:40:44 > 0:40:48for these things. These are aspects of the German economy, domestic
0:40:48 > 0:40:54issues that have been issues over the last few months and the
0:40:54 > 0:40:58government has been called upon to do more on them.The government has
0:40:58 > 0:41:04been diminished somewhat by this wrangling and Angela Merkel has
0:41:04 > 0:41:13emboldened her main opposition party, the AfD.You would think she
0:41:13 > 0:41:16has been weakened but her ratings are still quite high. Everyone
0:41:16 > 0:41:21around her has been weakened even more, certainly the leader of the
0:41:21 > 0:41:27centre-left SPD party, Martin shorts. His ratings have fallen to
0:41:27 > 0:41:34the ground. Angela Merkel is popular among mainstream Germans but she is
0:41:34 > 0:41:38unpopular with a large minority who disagree with her refugee policy.
0:41:38 > 0:41:42What happens depends on this vote with the social Democrats. That
0:41:42 > 0:41:47would mean going back to scratch and effectively no permanent government
0:41:47 > 0:41:51for a year in Germany. That would be seen as her fault because it would
0:41:51 > 0:41:55have meant she had two goals at forming a coalition and failed. It
0:41:55 > 0:42:00would be hard to imagine she would not be weakened by that. If this
0:42:00 > 0:42:07government is pulled together there is no reason to feel that she
0:42:07 > 0:42:12couldn't lead that government. There is a lot of movement behind the
0:42:12 > 0:42:16scenes about who might replace her because many people assume she
0:42:16 > 0:42:20wouldn't run for another term. If this government does happen, the
0:42:20 > 0:42:26next four years would really see the centre-left getting back its
0:42:26 > 0:42:28identity and the centre-right planning the post-Merkel era. It
0:42:28 > 0:42:35would be and era of jostling and a lot more argumentative than we have
0:42:35 > 0:42:38seen in the past.
0:42:38 > 0:42:40It's a little over 20 years since the Royal Yacht,
0:42:40 > 0:42:42Britannia, was decommissioned.
0:42:42 > 0:42:45Designed to be a symbol of national pride and flagship
0:42:45 > 0:42:47for the Royal Family, it was the 83rd Royal Yacht,
0:42:47 > 0:42:50but was taken out of service on grounds of cost and is now
0:42:50 > 0:42:52a visitor attraction in Edinburgh.
0:42:52 > 0:42:55But one group of Conservative MPs wants to build a new Britannia,
0:42:55 > 0:42:58and they want to set up a national lottery to pay for it.
0:42:58 > 0:43:03Here's the MP Craig Mackinley with his soapbox.
0:43:03 > 0:43:13I name this ship Tanya. -- Britannia.
0:43:20 > 0:43:24As Britain leaves the European Union, Britain will now need to
0:43:24 > 0:43:28project itself on the world stage to show it is back in business and for
0:43:28 > 0:43:32that reason I believe now is the time to commission a new Royal yacht
0:43:32 > 0:43:37Britannia. Another at Unity to showcase Britain and show of the
0:43:37 > 0:43:43best of our history and shipbuilding skills into the future. The Royal
0:43:43 > 0:43:49yacht Britannia was decommissioned in 1997. This was a spiteful mistake
0:43:49 > 0:43:55by the Labour government. During 40 years of service she conducted 968
0:43:55 > 0:43:59official visit and clocked up over 1 million Miles Agassi. In her last
0:43:59 > 0:44:05deployment to the Far East, commercial trade deals of almost £3
0:44:05 > 0:44:10billion were signed on board. A new Royal yacht would project Britain's
0:44:10 > 0:44:14unique soft power and influence around the globe. She would be at
0:44:14 > 0:44:19the disposal of the government and the Royal family to host
0:44:19 > 0:44:22international events. To be achievable we need to find the money
0:44:22 > 0:44:28to build her and that is an estimated £120 million. I am mindful
0:44:28 > 0:44:32of the pressure on public finances and I don't think taxpayers should
0:44:32 > 0:44:38foot the bill. I'm proposing a new national lottery to pay the costs.
0:44:38 > 0:44:41The Royal yacht is now a familiar sight to millions of Australian
0:44:41 > 0:44:48people...We will also need to investigate comp entry sources of
0:44:48 > 0:44:52funding from business leaders who are supportive of the project.
0:44:52 > 0:44:57Leading naval architects are willing to volunteer their services for
0:44:57 > 0:45:00free, similarly compote manufacturers have told the team
0:45:00 > 0:45:05they would like to be part of the project in the new Royal yacht for
0:45:05 > 0:45:11free. Britain remains the third largest maritime power in the world
0:45:11 > 0:45:17and we have unique connection and history with the sea. The country
0:45:17 > 0:45:23deserves a new floating Royal Palace to project the best of British
0:45:23 > 0:45:27business and show our humanitarian work across the globe.
0:45:27 > 0:45:31And Craig McKinley joins us now.
0:45:31 > 0:45:36You say part of the money that it would cost to the yacht would be
0:45:36 > 0:45:39funded by national lottery, how would that work?I understand people
0:45:39 > 0:45:48would be reluctant the public finances to be used for this but
0:45:48 > 0:45:54£120 million represents 1.5 hours of national government expenditure but
0:45:54 > 0:45:57I understand the sensitivities of it so I think people could play a part
0:45:57 > 0:46:01in this by there being a new stand-alone national lottery. Also
0:46:01 > 0:46:06with the Project board I want to put together, be tapping up the best of
0:46:06 > 0:46:11British businesses to have their products in the yacht and showcase
0:46:11 > 0:46:15accordingly.So, sponsorship deals? How much do you think you'd be able
0:46:15 > 0:46:20to generate from that?Early days yet but there are straws in the wind
0:46:20 > 0:46:23that potentially the engines could be provided for free by certain UK
0:46:23 > 0:46:30businesses. Naval architects have been keen to do the spec for free. I
0:46:30 > 0:46:35want to pull together a number of strands to get this project on site.
0:46:35 > 0:46:38I fully understand government departments have been reluctant to
0:46:38 > 0:46:41the spa because of the strain on public finances and I understand
0:46:41 > 0:46:46their sensibilities.That's one thing, as you say, but a financial
0:46:46 > 0:46:51priority but is it a priority at all? When you think and look at the
0:46:51 > 0:46:56debate and discussions around Brexit. Is this really the time to
0:46:56 > 0:47:03be talking about commissioning a new royal.-- new Royal Yacht Squadron
0:47:03 > 0:47:08it is exactly the time. We have heard it again and again, we will be
0:47:08 > 0:47:12out of the customs union and the single market, Britain will be free
0:47:12 > 0:47:15on the world stage to actually showcase itself and get new trade
0:47:15 > 0:47:21deals so the very small and narrow cost of this will be paid back in
0:47:21 > 0:47:25literally a heartbeat.It has been a persuasive argument to have a sort
0:47:25 > 0:47:30of open Britain for business, global, outward facing. Would this
0:47:30 > 0:47:34help that sort of campaign on a post-brexit-mac world?I thought
0:47:34 > 0:47:38that is what our embassies which the government has been closing were
0:47:38 > 0:47:45supposed to be doing. I wonder, if you said to the public, we will have
0:47:45 > 0:47:48a new national. Rick, you choose what you want it to go towards.
0:47:48 > 0:47:52Would they say a Royal Yacht Squadron I'm not sure they would and
0:47:52 > 0:47:56I'd also like to know can the government supply the Navy personnel
0:47:56 > 0:48:02and ships and boats that accompany a Royal you're at when it goes
0:48:02 > 0:48:05anywhere? One of the reasons it was decommissioned in the first place,
0:48:05 > 0:48:09and I haven't heard the Royal Family complained their work has been
0:48:09 > 0:48:12hampered by not having a Royal you're, is because of the ongoing
0:48:12 > 0:48:18cost. It was over 270 Navy personnel with the running of the Royal yacht
0:48:18 > 0:48:23so if you want to ask the public is this what your priority is, go ahead
0:48:23 > 0:48:28but I'm not sure it would be a Royal yacht.The PM was in China last week
0:48:28 > 0:48:32on a Voyager aircraft and we achieved £9 billion worth of trade
0:48:32 > 0:48:38deals. The last outing of the Royal yacht before it was decommissioned,
0:48:38 > 0:48:44£3 billion worth of trade deal signed on one trip.We got more
0:48:44 > 0:48:51without the Royal yacht.Yes, but I think there is more, this projection
0:48:51 > 0:48:57Britain is a maritime nation, it is a big shipbuilding nation. I
0:48:57 > 0:49:01understand the ongoing annual revenue cost of running this.And
0:49:01 > 0:49:08the Navy personnel.Indeed, but it could be a humanitarian offering, a
0:49:08 > 0:49:12training ship. It would be a different asset than it was in the
0:49:12 > 0:49:15past but it would be a key diplomatic tool to project Britain.
0:49:15 > 0:49:20I think the post-Brexit world is exactly the time for one.Thank you.
0:49:20 > 0:49:25While we've been on air, the Commons leader Andrea Letson has been giving
0:49:25 > 0:49:30a statement to MPs on the new rules around sexual harassment and
0:49:30 > 0:49:32bullying at Westminster, let's have a listen.
0:49:32 > 0:49:36We have proposed a set of policies that will fundamentally change the
0:49:36 > 0:49:41working culture in Parliament. Mr Speaker, I'd like to turn now to
0:49:41 > 0:49:46these proposals. They are as follows. Firstly, Parliament will
0:49:46 > 0:49:51agree a shared behaviour code. This will apply to everyone on the
0:49:51 > 0:49:54estate, or in gauged in Parliamentary business, regardless
0:49:54 > 0:49:58of location, and will underpin the new policy. It will be consulted on
0:49:58 > 0:50:03and will make clear the behaviour expectations of everyone in the
0:50:03 > 0:50:08Parliamentary community. The new complaints and grievance procedure
0:50:08 > 0:50:15will be independent from political parties. Thirdly, it was
0:50:15 > 0:50:17acknowledged sexual harassment and sexual violence are different from
0:50:17 > 0:50:22other forms of inappropriate behaviour.Joining me now is the
0:50:22 > 0:50:27political reporter Lucy Fisher. Do you welcome the announcement and the
0:50:27 > 0:50:31recommendations from Andrea Letson? Yes, I do and many people across
0:50:31 > 0:50:39Westminster will be glad it has been professionalised. Really, there
0:50:39 > 0:50:45should be this in place anyway.What about the issue of anonymity, that
0:50:45 > 0:50:52if a complaint is made against an MP, for example, the MP will remain
0:50:52 > 0:50:56anonymous until such time it is resolved or if it is a serious
0:50:56 > 0:51:01allegation?In principle, I think it is a good idea, allowing people the
0:51:01 > 0:51:05chance to try to prove their innocence and fight their corner
0:51:05 > 0:51:08until any finding is made. The Brault he is going to be more
0:51:08 > 0:51:13difficult to police, if the accuser wants to speak to the press or speak
0:51:13 > 0:51:19out, I don't see how you're going to be able to stop people but by laying
0:51:19 > 0:51:23it down in the rules that they want to keep things under wraps, that
0:51:23 > 0:51:28might encourage people to kind of keep their counsel until the finding
0:51:28 > 0:51:32is made. MPs will be happy with that because there has been some concern
0:51:32 > 0:51:36in Westminster this new procedure could be used to make fixations
0:51:36 > 0:51:41claims against MPs by disgruntled employees or rivals.I'm going to
0:51:41 > 0:51:45get a comment from Angela.One of the key reasons for it is an MP
0:51:45 > 0:51:52might only have one member of staff in the Palace of Westminster so by
0:51:52 > 0:51:55identifying PMP, you're close to identifying the member of staff
0:51:55 > 0:51:59making the complaint. You want to ensure if you identify the
0:51:59 > 0:52:02complainant, that makes them more reluctant to come forward so there
0:52:02 > 0:52:05has been a lot of discussion about how best to do this but you don't
0:52:05 > 0:52:08want to shame the complainant for coming forward for fear they may be
0:52:08 > 0:52:13identified.Do you think enough is being done here to settle this issue
0:52:13 > 0:52:18or at least moved to a place where it will be settled and people will
0:52:18 > 0:52:22feel protected at work and they have somebody January independent talk
0:52:22 > 0:52:26about any complaints?I think so and I think we can see from the fact it
0:52:26 > 0:52:33has taken three months of wrangling since the scandal first it
0:52:33 > 0:52:38Westminster in November for them to come to this agreement, the
0:52:38 > 0:52:41Conservatives, labour, cross-party, the staff associations, trade
0:52:41 > 0:52:44unions, everyone is broadly happy with the new procedures. It is
0:52:44 > 0:52:47independent, there will be a new sexual violence adviser in
0:52:47 > 0:52:51Parliament and I think it seems quite robust, this new system.Lucy
0:52:51 > 0:52:53Fisher, thank you.
0:52:53 > 0:52:54The official language used in Parliament is,
0:52:54 > 0:52:56of course, English - although you might also hear
0:52:56 > 0:52:59a smattering of Norman French in the House of Lords when bills
0:52:59 > 0:53:00are given Royal Assent.
0:53:00 > 0:53:03So yesterday was something of a landmark, after Welsh
0:53:03 > 0:53:05was spoken for the first time during a Parliamentary debate.
0:53:05 > 0:53:07Here's the Secretary of State for Wales, Alun Cairns,
0:53:07 > 0:53:10speaking at a meeting of the Welsh Grand Committee.
0:53:40 > 0:53:47And Alun Cairns joins us now - croeso!
0:53:47 > 0:53:53Is that correctly pronounced?Spot on. I've been most nervous about it
0:53:53 > 0:53:57for the whole programme.What is so special about the Welsh language?It
0:53:57 > 0:54:01is part of one of the languages of the United Kingdom, it is the pay
0:54:01 > 0:54:04Parliament, demonstrating although it is a ancient language, we have a
0:54:04 > 0:54:09modern approach to reflect cultures and traditions of the UK. The issue
0:54:09 > 0:54:14came up last year, it was made to the leader of the house. He sought
0:54:14 > 0:54:17by advice and we agreed this would be a good thing to do.How did it
0:54:17 > 0:54:21happen, how did it come about the rule change meaning you can now
0:54:21 > 0:54:25speak Welsh in the committee rooms in Parliament?First of all, it is
0:54:25 > 0:54:31in the Welsh grand committee which is made out of MPs, all Welsh MPs,
0:54:31 > 0:54:35plus additional guest, the junior minister in the Wales office, a
0:54:35 > 0:54:41fluent Welsh speaker that happens to represent a Yorkshire constituency,
0:54:41 > 0:54:43and there is simultaneous translation so we will look to the
0:54:43 > 0:54:47European Parliament or the Welsh assembly and see simultaneous
0:54:47 > 0:54:52translation works effectively and this was our way of using the same
0:54:52 > 0:54:55technology.Would you like to see I've spoken in Parliament more
0:54:55 > 0:54:59broadly?I think yesterday was a significant step, the first step, so
0:54:59 > 0:55:04let's see the sort of use it had. Many MPs used it, many MPs are
0:55:04 > 0:55:07learning Welsh. If there is an enthusiasm for it, it is a
0:55:07 > 0:55:11conversation to have but let's see how widely it is used because, of
0:55:11 > 0:55:17course, there are consequences and procedures in Parliament.And costs.
0:55:17 > 0:55:21The translation services, is this the sort of thing you'd like to have
0:55:21 > 0:55:24the taxpayers spend money on?The Prime Minister said when she stood
0:55:24 > 0:55:27on the doors of Downing Street when she was first appointed Prime
0:55:27 > 0:55:32Minister by the Queen the precious union. If we are going to represent
0:55:32 > 0:55:38every part of the union, we need to represent the languages of the
0:55:38 > 0:55:40United Kingdom and this is a positive step in order to
0:55:40 > 0:55:43demonstrate the relevance of the UK Parliament in every corner of the
0:55:43 > 0:55:47country.Can everyone on the grand Welsh committee speak Welsh?More
0:55:47 > 0:55:51dead than I thought which is interesting because there are lots
0:55:51 > 0:55:54of MPs who might be a pitch I about it but yesterday they had a bit of
0:55:54 > 0:56:00confidence and they started using it. It underlines Welsh is a
0:56:00 > 0:56:05language of the UK.Do you welcome this?It is welcomed by the Welsh
0:56:05 > 0:56:10MPs and it is a matter for the Welsh MPs but there's also always been the
0:56:10 > 0:56:14proposal and you're allowed to give evidence in another language or
0:56:14 > 0:56:18British sign language in the committee if it is easier for you to
0:56:18 > 0:56:21get your message across. People are called to give evidence to a
0:56:21 > 0:56:25committee and you want to do them to do so in a way they can make
0:56:25 > 0:56:29themselves understood best so there is that facility. A degree for
0:56:29 > 0:56:35British sign language, we are very inclusive.It sometimes races and
0:56:35 > 0:56:40issue for hand signals.Paul Flynn, a Welsh MP, was called to order by
0:56:40 > 0:56:45the Speaker because the speaker thought he was speaking Welsh
0:56:45 > 0:56:51language but he was actually speaking old English.No one could
0:56:51 > 0:56:55understand anyway!Which demonstrates that have been protest
0:56:55 > 0:56:59by many MPs to see this change. And we're happy to make the change.Any
0:56:59 > 0:57:02other languages that should be permitted?Let's look at each case
0:57:02 > 0:57:08its merits. Welsh I think is an official language of the UK or one
0:57:08 > 0:57:12of the languages of the UK and on that basis we reflect that.All
0:57:12 > 0:57:16right, thank you for coming in. Say something else to us in Welsh.
0:57:16 > 0:57:20SPEAKS WELSH. Lovely, I'll translate that later.
0:57:20 > 0:57:23Time now to find out the answer to our quiz.
0:57:23 > 0:57:24The question was
0:57:24 > 0:57:28which TV show does Theresa May want to appear in?
0:57:28 > 0:57:31Strictly Come Dancing, Great British Bake Off,
0:57:31 > 0:57:34Blue Peter or Songs of Praise So Angela what's the correct answer?
0:57:34 > 0:57:37Let's have a look...
0:57:37 > 0:57:43I've been worrying about this. If it was me, I'd go for Striclty, and I
0:57:43 > 0:57:49hope she has, but I suspect not. You're right! Let's have a look.She
0:57:49 > 0:57:58would rather be on Bake Off or strictly?What a choice. Very
0:57:58 > 0:58:02difficult in different ways. I enjoy watching Strictly. I'm not sure I'd
0:58:02 > 0:58:08do very well at either. Strictly has some nice costumes.So, do you think
0:58:08 > 0:58:19Strictly?Possibly, yes.Can you dance?No. This might be an
0:58:19 > 0:58:24impediment to being on Strictly.No, I think it is a requirement for
0:58:24 > 0:58:28politicians to be on Strictly but you can't dance.But we can't all be
0:58:28 > 0:58:32Ed Balls.And he really did prove you can do well even if you can't
0:58:32 > 0:58:36dance. Are you surprised she went for Strictly?I think it's great.
0:58:36 > 0:58:41Would you like to go on the programme yourself? No, I'd go for
0:58:41 > 0:58:46Coronation Street but then Strictly. But you have thought about it? Just
0:58:46 > 0:58:50tell viewers, Nicky Lilley talking Theresa May on CBBC said catch up
0:58:50 > 0:58:51with that if you can.
0:58:51 > 0:58:52That's all for today.
0:58:52 > 0:58:56Thanks to our guests.
0:58:56 > 0:58:59We will be back tomorrow. Goodbye.