:00:00. > :00:07.sex offence —— Chal sex offences last year resulted in prosecution.
:00:07. > :00:38.system fundamentally broken? Israel warns that an Iranian bomb could
:00:38. > :00:43.make that he ran regime immortal like North Korea. And the Daily
:00:43. > :00:45.make that he ran regime immortal claims the father of the Labour
:00:45. > :00:52.to a storm of protest. My gave —— my guests today are Dame Ann Leslie of
:00:52. > :01:07.the Daily Mail, Michael Goldfarb of guests today are Dame Ann Leslie of
:01:07. > :01:10.Palestinian writer and broadcaster. Very few animals willingly jump
:01:10. > :01:12.Palestinian writer and broadcaster. a cliff as lemmings are famously
:01:12. > :01:16.reputed to do. But this week the United States government appear
:01:16. > :01:18.reputed to do. But this week the do so dashed gridlock in Washington
:01:18. > :01:23.shutting down much of the functions of the federal government. How can
:01:23. > :01:29.America be strong abroad when it is not just week up paralysed at home?
:01:29. > :01:35.I do not have to explain this to streams coming together that go
:01:36. > :01:47.I do not have to explain this to decades, this is about a Republican
:01:47. > :01:54.presidency of Democratic presidents. This. This is about unravelling
:01:54. > :01:54.presidency of Democratic presidents. president's signature issue, the
:01:54. > :02:00.Obamacare. This is a last ditch president's signature issue, the
:02:01. > :02:10.which they can fight to ruin that. This is about when all political
:02:10. > :02:16.systems are flawed. When the wrong levellers, you have state seats
:02:16. > :02:21.systems are flawed. When the wrong insure a Republican majority had ——
:02:21. > :02:32.they have decided to take their heels in. You have this mess and the
:02:32. > :02:39.rest of the world, which is just calling out —— crawling out of these
:02:39. > :02:44.economic problems, was watching America which was just beginning to
:02:44. > :02:50.founding fathers actually intended. take over again. This is what the
:02:50. > :02:59.They created a constitution which would not allow an enormous amount
:02:59. > :03:05.they devised a system where people revolted against a corrupt and
:03:05. > :03:15.they devised a system where people will be constantly quarrelling.
:03:15. > :03:27.America any clue. —— any good. There America any clue. —— any good. There
:03:27. > :03:33.The point about that was that people took some arguments to now. What
:03:33. > :03:46.happened was people walk up to the fact that the government, for all
:03:46. > :03:50.its flaws, does some things. I think people outside of America need to
:03:50. > :03:54.understand the way the congressional districts have been drawn and be
:03:54. > :04:00.drawn over the last decade ensures at the moment a Republican majority.
:04:00. > :04:03.If you pay no price at the ballot box, where the benefit? What are you
:04:03. > :04:17.make of this? I'll was hold the box, where the benefit? What are you
:04:17. > :04:21.that the country could be better run without governments, not the United
:04:21. > :04:26.States because of the system. It seems to me this is an opportunity
:04:26. > :04:34.by the Republicans to try and derail the so—called Obama —— Obamacare at
:04:34. > :04:43.all costs. They also smell some especially over the way Obama is
:04:43. > :04:49.handling international affairs. They did it to Clinton in the 19 80s
:04:49. > :04:52.handling international affairs. They it blew up in their face. Most of
:04:52. > :05:05.American public opinion is hostile superpower on earth is eroding.
:05:05. > :05:09.American public opinion is hostile we can see the cracks. The United
:05:09. > :05:12.States is polarised and paralysed, seriously. I believe it is a matter
:05:12. > :05:25.power from Obama. They do not want of revenge. The very right wing
:05:25. > :05:36.steal his biggest achievement which to see him succeed. They want to
:05:36. > :05:38.steal his biggest achievement which of the blue, he is African bicolour,
:05:38. > :05:47.by roots, so they don't want him to problem after problem since he was
:05:47. > :05:54.elected. The Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu does not seem to
:05:54. > :05:57.be charmed by the beanie and charm offensive. He told the BBC this
:05:57. > :05:59.be charmed by the beanie and charm that an Iranian bomb would make
:05:59. > :06:02.be charmed by the beanie and charm he called the brutal regime in
:06:02. > :06:06.Teheran immortal like North Korea. Is he right? And is a weakened
:06:06. > :06:18.America falling into the delusion that it is dealing with so—called
:06:18. > :06:23.rainy and moderates? He senses a new era of positive relations between
:06:23. > :06:27.America and Iran is about to start. He thought this is based completely
:06:27. > :06:32.on illusion. It is interesting to point out that even some other
:06:32. > :06:36.commentators and other politicians welcomed the spirit of his speech in
:06:36. > :06:47.which he said, don't fall for this charm offensive conducted by Hassan
:06:47. > :06:59.Rouhani. It was a disaster for Iran, but nothing has changed specifically
:06:59. > :07:03.in Iran itself. He would not send Hassan Rouhani to New York to smile
:07:03. > :07:10.not buy it so much. I wish I could to everybody if the functions would
:07:10. > :07:12.not buy it so much. I wish I could tell him, to try and charm as many
:07:12. > :07:20.people as possible because this tell him, to try and charm as many
:07:20. > :07:37.light back from everybody. Benjamin fundamental aims. Hassan Rohani
:07:37. > :07:56.by everybody's so Benjamin Netanyahu previous president. I believe he
:07:56. > :07:56.by everybody's so Benjamin Netanyahu has nothing to say. It's United
:07:56. > :08:02.States suddenly decided to talk has nothing to say. It's United
:08:02. > :08:08.use diplomacy with the uranium President, why not? Why do the
:08:08. > :08:36.Israeli always drum —— bang the point of this interview, given in
:08:36. > :08:40.English, was to the Americans? The Iranians are not talking to Iranian,
:08:40. > :08:49.they are talking to the Americans. I incredibly sceptical about any
:08:49. > :08:58.Iranian reformer. The fact about... Why? Give them a chance. Why don't
:08:58. > :09:07.reformers are not given a chance to be elected. As you know... He was
:09:07. > :09:17.elected but in the Dominic Chapman —— democratic election. It was not a
:09:17. > :09:32.think is that the West is always so sweet and naive, they always think,
:09:32. > :09:37.this man smiles. Therefore he thinks like I do. Now he doesn't. He is a
:09:37. > :09:51.said that before. One of the biggest conservative. He is a cleverer one
:09:51. > :10:16.journalist posted some interesting problem that Iran faces is they
:10:16. > :10:21.journalist posted some interesting stuff in the last 48 hours. I'm
:10:21. > :10:25.going to step back over to Israel. I think that with Benjamin Netanyahu
:10:25. > :10:33.we need to consider his own domestic considered very conservative. To the
:10:33. > :10:41.right of Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel is where the power is at
:10:41. > :10:42.right of Benjamin Netanyahu in moment. Beyond that, Iran can be
:10:42. > :10:45.overestimated in terms of its real power. We forget about Syria. Right
:10:45. > :10:50.now Iran is tied down defending power. We forget about Syria. Right
:10:50. > :10:57.Assad regime and what is at best a stand—off. Its proximal eyes ——
:10:57. > :11:03.proxies are essentially what is propping up that regime. If the
:11:03. > :11:09.Iranians revolutionary guards were not fighting, Assad would have been
:11:09. > :11:16.gone. Now you have Russia joining situation damped down. Where does
:11:16. > :11:21.Iran stand? Beyond that Russia and the US will ultimately be the ones
:11:21. > :11:22.to drag around to some kind of nuclear agreement. It is a very
:11:22. > :11:28.complicated picture and I think nuclear agreement. It is a very
:11:28. > :12:07.abilities to deceive the West. Iran Do you think it is worth a shot
:12:07. > :12:08.abilities to deceive the West. Iran has no... Israel is very interested
:12:08. > :12:19.in its own existential strengths. has no... Israel is very interested
:12:19. > :12:25.in its own existential strengths. The differences is that Iran is
:12:25. > :12:37.in its own existential strengths. theocracy and it has a justification
:12:37. > :12:43.approved of lying. You cannot say that. They are normal people, they
:12:43. > :12:59.are human beings, they are looking at the interest of the country. It
:12:59. > :13:10.is not racism. Those people are scared. Only because they do not
:13:10. > :13:16.like what is happening in Iran. Iran, you know how complicated
:13:16. > :13:21.country and it has a minority that is not modern. Those dynamics have
:13:21. > :13:24.to play out in an Iranian context. It is wrong to generalise about
:13:24. > :13:33.to play out in an Iranian context. regime because they have to write
:13:33. > :13:37.their own... This is racism if you say that these countries are not
:13:37. > :13:48.allowed to have their own nuclear programmes. I want to move on to an
:13:48. > :13:55.was supposed to be the Conservative political news in Britain this week
:13:56. > :13:57.was supposed to be the Conservative party conference whether Prime
:13:57. > :14:03.Minister David Cameron articulating philosophy. But it was overshadowed
:14:03. > :14:28.As the Daily Mail been exposed as philosophy. But it was overshadowed
:14:28. > :14:30.As the Daily Mail been exposed as argued? Come on then. The point
:14:30. > :14:33.As the Daily Mail been exposed as the story is that it was wrong. No,
:14:33. > :14:41.not all of it was wrong. It was the story is that it was wrong. No,
:14:41. > :14:44.comment. Yes, it should have done. The point was that there were two or
:14:44. > :14:53.three things that I as a loyal ex—employee of the Daily Mail would
:14:53. > :14:54.say, a bit rich, that. But the hatred that people have for the
:14:54. > :15:01.Daily Mail is because they fear hatred that people have for the
:15:01. > :15:05.power. Why has it got power? Because it appeals to millions of people in
:15:05. > :15:24.this country who volunteer to pay for it. So, really... It is not
:15:24. > :15:29.is the sort of flagship critical question Time, it has top people at
:15:29. > :15:34.the party conference and it had question Time, it has top people at
:15:34. > :15:45.very clever young man called Mehdi journalist, writer. He was very
:15:45. > :15:56.clever, he went to private school... This is not about him. No, but he is
:15:56. > :16:10.is not a dead Jewish refugee who speaking for so many people in the
:16:10. > :16:11.is not a dead Jewish refugee who hate Britain more from Belgian who
:16:11. > :16:26.employed by them, Muslims smearing, hate Britain more from Belgian who
:16:26. > :16:26.employed by them, Muslims smearing, gay baiting Daily Mail. But he is a
:16:26. > :16:31.stupid young man because he did gay baiting Daily Mail. But he is a
:16:31. > :16:36.Mail to give him a job only three realise that he begged the Daily
:16:36. > :16:36.Mail to give him a job only three years ago, he had written, "I am
:16:36. > :16:47.paper's passion, rigour, boldness" . years ago, he had written, "I am
:16:47. > :16:57.paper's passion, rigour, boldness" . Full. I want to bring in Seoul. It
:16:57. > :17:02.is about the hip, —— the hypocrisy of the left. The Daily Mail has
:17:02. > :17:06.tried to run back campaigns like that story on maybe Hasan. The real
:17:06. > :17:09.mistake was not making it clear that story on maybe Hasan. The real
:17:09. > :17:14.it was comment. If you read the article, it is a reported article.
:17:14. > :17:17.He went trawling through the press, the Daily Mail have the best way to
:17:17. > :17:23.deal with this and you have been in papers a long time, and up, caught
:17:23. > :17:33.me, I am sorry. They have not been got. In my opinion, this was sheer
:17:33. > :17:40.madness and the timing was stupid because they wanted to support the
:17:40. > :17:43.overshadowed Cameron's speech. Everything undermined the position
:17:43. > :17:48.of the Conservative Party and did not enhance the statue of David
:17:48. > :17:54.Miliband and his brother. —— it not enhance the statue of David
:17:54. > :17:58.in hands. No body can understand the Daily Mail and its attitude towards
:17:58. > :18:02.refugees and the left—wing can't understand the past of the Daily
:18:02. > :18:08.Mail because the point of the Daily Mail during the Second World War,
:18:08. > :18:17.supporter, one of his best friends. Supported the black shirts and
:18:17. > :18:23.mostly in the east end of London. He was a nutter, OK! He supported
:18:23. > :18:39.anti—Semitic. But the paper is not anti—Semitic. But the paper is
:18:39. > :19:04.pro—Israel 100%. I am not sure if anti—Semitic. Among the biggest
:19:04. > :19:05.pro—Israel 100%. I am not sure if you're disagreeing or agreeing with.
:19:05. > :19:10.arguments of the left. What did you're disagreeing or agreeing with.
:19:10. > :19:17.make of the article in saying that Ralph Miliband was a person who
:19:17. > :19:23.hated Britain? That was a silly headline. I am against this smear
:19:23. > :19:33.campaign to curb the freedom of expression in this country. We are
:19:33. > :19:38.interrupt, because the context of understands this country is that the
:19:38. > :19:42.Leveson enquiry which will produce some kind of changes to the way
:19:42. > :19:44.Leveson enquiry which will produce the press is regulated, whether
:19:44. > :19:46.Leveson enquiry which will produce is officially or not, there is an
:19:46. > :19:52.important meeting in the Privy Council this week which might decide
:19:52. > :19:58.newspaper editors wrangling with the Daily Mail because they have stirred
:19:58. > :20:12.up a lot of anti—press feeling. The They should apologise for this. No.
:20:12. > :20:18.This is a comment on the articles. Again wrong to leak a private letter
:20:18. > :20:21.from maybe Hasan to the editor of the Daily Mail. This is a moronic
:20:21. > :20:36.tell your editor to resign because the Daily Mail. This is a moronic
:20:36. > :20:42.he did great damage to the paper. Actually, I'm not sure it has. It is
:20:43. > :20:49.to see. All—weather at Villa band have done, I don't know. We'll have
:20:49. > :20:51.has damaged himself —— or whether Ed has damaged himself —— or whether Ed
:20:51. > :21:04.Daily Mail. It was childish. First going on about being bullied by
:21:04. > :21:05.of all, we have to say this about the Daily Mail... We don't. The
:21:05. > :21:12.time, on the top deck of a bus and I the Daily Mail... We don't. The
:21:12. > :21:14.time, on the top deck of a bus and I looked down at queues of people
:21:14. > :21:21.queueing for buses, and old dears and I am thinking the heads are
:21:21. > :21:21.queueing for buses, and old dears of this hate. It does not come out
:21:21. > :21:27.of nowhere. But people can read of this hate. It does not come out
:21:27. > :21:32.they like. That is not the point I was trying to make, I respect you as
:21:32. > :21:35.a journalist, people picking off the Daily Mail they do not think of
:21:35. > :21:36.a journalist, people picking off the dispatches from places where you
:21:36. > :21:43.were under fire, they are thinking about the daily load of bilge and
:21:43. > :21:51.hatred for anyone who does not fit their specific view of England.
:21:51. > :21:54.hatred for anyone who does not fit years, people still want to read it
:21:54. > :22:00.—— not the concept of being British, but being English. Eleanor can
:22:00. > :22:06.founded inextricable that millions of people read this. —— I cannot
:22:06. > :22:11.believe you find it inexplicable but millions. If you deny these people
:22:11. > :22:18.the right to read this, as a lot of the left would like to do. He will
:22:18. > :22:27.end up it answers to a prejudice saying... Am I allowed to finish?
:22:28. > :22:35.Nobody said any word about the Palestinians, against the Daily
:22:36. > :22:41.Nobody said any word about the when it is 100% against Palestine.
:22:41. > :22:45.Once they a John Ed Miliband and his father, suddenly anti—Semitic. And
:22:45. > :22:50.they became hated completely. —— when they talk about Ed Miliband.
:22:50. > :22:52.Every newspaper has its right to express its point of view, whether
:22:52. > :23:10.just off this a bit, given the express its point of view, whether
:23:10. > :23:11.just off this a bit, given the potentially something that limits
:23:11. > :23:17.press freedom more never mind this potentially something that limits
:23:17. > :23:19.press freedom more never mind this article. It will be in people's
:23:19. > :23:31.minds when the Privy Council decides politicians. They are dead keen
:23:31. > :23:34.minds when the Privy Council decides limiting the power of the free press
:23:34. > :23:36.which has existed here for 300 years. Not least because it is the
:23:36. > :23:41.British press, not least us and years. Not least because it is the
:23:41. > :23:51.other members of the press who have chicanery. They are hated and they
:23:51. > :23:55.should go on trial. Do you go along with that argument? Whatever you
:23:55. > :23:58.think about the specifics of the free press, it has the right to
:23:58. > :24:02.think about the specifics of the mistakes and people can criticise
:24:02. > :24:09.it. Do you think this could cause something that people will regret?
:24:09. > :24:14.It will be on people's minds all the time. Whether to regulate the press
:24:14. > :24:16.and the Daily Mail has done a great journalistic freedom by being so
:24:16. > :24:25.stupid. I tend to think that in journalistic freedom by being so
:24:25. > :24:36.million people who buy the Daily Mail, people here still have a press
:24:36. > :24:40.that has tremendous sway. At the last hurdle, the politicians will
:24:41. > :24:47.think. You are a naive baby! I have back down a bit. And I really do
:24:47. > :24:50.think. You are a naive baby! I have enormous respect for the daily jolt
:24:50. > :24:58.that these people get all the time and also... What a great name for a
:24:59. > :25:08.newspaper, the daily jolt! The Daily newspaper, the daily jolt! The Daily
:25:08. > :25:20.Mail cannot keep going on mixing news and views, this is not good
:25:20. > :25:28.journalism. Ed Miliband is giving huge ammunition. We do not want
:25:28. > :25:29.journalism. Ed Miliband is giving against the freedom of expression.
:25:29. > :25:35.On that road agreement between the four of you, we will leave it and